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3 Ways Kanye West Is Confounding Everyone with His MAGA Tweeting

The musician and provocateur is spinning the heads of his fans, Trump's fans, and everyone who angrily overinterprets what affection for Trump has to mean.

Kanye West, perhaps our greatest contemporary pop musician and almost certainly our most effective pop provocateur, has set the world (and some of his fellow pop stars) a-flutter by returning with a vengeance to Twitter after months of absence and reiterating his already-known affection for and support of President Donald Trump.

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For those of you who don't remember Kanye's comments about Trump in 2016, which he said onstage in San Jose, here's how Ed Krayewski described them in Reason at the time:

When West told the crowd he would have voted for Trump had he voted, he was booed in response.

"That don't mean that I don't think that black lives matter," West said. "That don't mean that I don't believe in women's rights. That don't mean that I don't mean in gay marriage. That don't mean that I don't believe in these things because that's the guy that I wanted to vote for."

West stressed that no presidential candidate was going to "instantly be able to change" racism. "Stop focusing on racism," he told the crowd. "This world is racist, okay? Let's stop being distracted to focus on that as much. It's just a fucking fact. We are in a racist country. Period."

Immediately after that outburst, West canceled a major tour, was hospitalized for "exhaustion," and spent months away from the public eye; during this time, he was presumed to be off his rocker. (Kanye's wife, Kim Kardashian, has called out people who have been writing off Kanye's latest pro-MAGA tweets as signs of mental illness.)

People are certainly making more of these tweets, though they barely hint at support for any particular Trump policies, instead merely declaring that he has personal "love" for the president and admires the "dragon energy" that West believes he and his "brother" Trump share. The closest West comes to even hinting at an ideological commitment is a tweet declaring "I love the way Candace Owens thinks"—Owens being a black conservative YouTuber. This has excited both Owens and the MAGA world's court editorial cartoonist, Ben Garrison.

Three distinct groups are, knowingly or unknowingly, being confounded by all this:

1) Kanye's old fans. The "Old Kanye" seemed acutely conscious of the idea that racism harms blacks in a meaningful way worthy of worry and commentary.

At risk of overinterpreting, since Kanye said nothing specific about what he loved about Owens, the basic idea that black people are doing fine in America except for their own flaws, and that Democrats and progressives are feeding them a debilitating message of racist oppression, largely defines Candace Owens–ism in practice.

That might be hard to swallow from fans raised on the Kanye whose work seemed quite conscious of the problems that racism, institutionalized and not, causes for blacks in America. His lyrics have invoked police abuse, and they have included more than a few casual references to the idea that the U.S. government conspires against blacks. One of Kanye's famous previous provocations that made him America's Most Hated Celebrity was his declaration at a 2005 Hurricane Katrina telethon that George W. Bush "doesn't care about black people."

Here are just a few Kanye lyrics stretching over his whole career that might make his affection for Owens seem out of character:

• "I say, 'Fuck the police,' that's how I treat 'em/We buy our way out of jail, but we can't buy freedom/We'll buy a lot of clothes, but we don't really need 'em/Things we buy to cover up what's inside/'Cause they made us hate ourself and love they wealth." ("All Falls Down," The College Dropout [2004])

• "How we stop the Black Panthers? Ronald Reagan cooked up an answer. You hear that? What Gil Scott was hearin'/When our heroes or heroines got hooked on heroin." ("Crack Music," Late Registration, [2005])

• "And at the airport they check all through my bag and tell me that it's random....As long as I'm in Polo smiling, they think they got me/But they would try to crack me if they ever see a black me....And what's a black Beatle anyway, a fucking roach?/I guess that's why they got me sitting here in fucking coach." ("Gorgeous," My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy [2010])

• " Meanwhile the DEA teamed up with the CCA/They tryna lock n***as up. They tryna make new slaves. See that's that privately owned prison. Get your piece today." ("New Slaves," Yeezus [2013])

• "Watch who you bring home/They see a black man with a white woman at the top floor they gone come to kill King Kong." ("Black Skinhead," Yeezus [2013])

• "Hands up, we just doing what the cops taught us/Hands up, hands up, then the cops shot us." ("Feedback," The Life of Pablo [2016])

In 2011's "New Day," Kanye even rapped of an imagined future son: "I might even make him be Republican/So everybody know he love white people." So, you know, artists are complicated and not always speaking a politicized, ideological truth. But no doubt, Kanye fans might find something requiring explaining in his apparent affection for Candace Owens. Still, he's always been his own sharpest commentator and critic, and he rapped in 2013's "I Am a God": "Soon as they like you, make 'em unlike you. 'Cause kissing people's ass is so unlike you."

2) His new MAGA-world fans. For Trumpsters thrilled that at last there is a successful, iconic pop culture figure now unabashedly on their side, it is worth remembering that the very definition of Kanye's brand, going back at least as far his notorious interruption of Taylor Swift at the 2009 MTV Video Awards, is "that out-of-control arrogant, insane asshole who everyone hates." By 2013 I was writing that despite his huge manifest talent as a pop musician, nearly everyone, whenever West comes up, feels compelled to let you know how much contempt they have for him. Even President Obama felt free to publicly call him a "jackass" while granting his talents. He's been the target of a cultural far-more-than-two-minute hate long before Trump.

In other words, in the eyes of the culture's Trump-haters, Kanye coming out as a MAGA man is totally on-brand and gives no added cool points to Trump fandom. It's just the sort of thing that arrogant loon Kanye West would do.

3) Everyone who thinks they know what Kanye might mean by loving Trump. With the possible exception of the Candace Owens comments, Kanye's tweets give no signs of any specific thing he likes about Trump beyond the "dragon energy" he thinks they share. (He did call out Obama for having done nothing in eight years to improve conditions in Kanye's hometown of Chicago, but he does not claim that any specific Trump policy will improve anything either.) So those enmeshed in the cultural and political debates about Trump should bear in mind that something about the president clearly excites people independent of embracing any specific policy he may have furthered. (Kanye had previously been a Democratic Party donor.)

To internet weirdos of many kinds, there is an inchoate sense that Trump represents a disruption in a normie status quo worth cheering. A lot of that sort of Trumplove seems nihilistic and dangerous to me, but the people who believe it, likely including Kanye, don't see it that way. To them, Trump's unlikely victory represents a sort of hole punched in the Matrix that allows for all sorts of thrilling imagined changes. I even know some libertarians who have that feeling.

Or perhaps this is just a case of massively self-assured swagger recognizing massively self-assured swagger. Kanye's public evolution will doubtless continue to morph. That he's excited about meeting with Peter Thiel probably has more to do with a sneaker mogul and general business-building obsessive seeking billionaire partners and investors than it does a desire to seastead, hobble democracy, or spy on the world. (Though some think Kanye is subtly promoting Jordan Peterson. Who knows?)

Someone can "love" Trump without it being fair to lay on their heads the burden of strong belief in whatever Trump policy pisses you off or delights you, be it mistreatment of immigrants or transgender people or American steel users or even initiatives like deregulation or outreach to North Korea. To Kanye, MAGA means empathy and proof that he's an independent thinker. You might not understand why, nor is he explaining it well. But it won't help American culture to gin up a mass feeling that you just can't tolerate anyone who doesn't hate Trump as much as you do.

Photo Credit: Kanye West twitter

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  • Just Say'n||

    "has set the world (and some of his fellow pop stars) a-flutter by returning with a vengeance to Twitter after months of absence and reiterating his already-known affection for and support of President Donald Trump."

    Oh, also the UK is starving a kid to death for the greater glory of the state. Surely, we don't live in a decadent society in permanent decline

  • Don't look at me.||

    Indeed. I never even heard of this guy before. How could it possibly be important?

  • Mickey Rat||

    Testr2ictong the family's ability to travel, putting a chill on speech by announcing that they are monitoring social media posts critical of the state medical staff decision, the doctor making off the record unprofessional comments to reporters complaining about the parent's "attitude", etc.

  • gormadoc||

    If you really believe that we're in permanent decline, then nothing you do will stop that, even if you post the same story in each and every thread.

  • Just Say'n||

    We get it. You love the state and are offended that anyone would think that Kanye is less important than the evils of socialized medicine.

    And I did not post this before, numbskull. That was another commentator in the morning links. I merely responded

  • gormadoc||

    Yup, I love the state and Kanye. Everything I've ever said has been to that effect.

  • Just Say'n||

    Yeah, we know

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    What you should do is threaten to leave and start your own site if they don't post anything about this.

  • Just Say'n||

    Read the comment. Where is anything about Reason mentioned. Calm down on the "thou shalt not ever utter a bad word" shit.

  • Just Say'n||

    But, your response and gormadick's proved my point right. We do live in a decadent society in perpetual decline

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    Unlike you, I don't believe that reason.com is the only news source on the planet. As such, I don't expect them to cover every bit of news on the planet. I also don't turn into a whining baby when they don't cover a particular story regardless of its appropriateness. They cover what they choose to cover, deal with it.

  • Just Say'n||

    You still didn't read the comment, huh? I thought you were smarter than this

  • Just Say'n||

    "I'm going to assume that you were criticizing Reason's coverage even though you never even mentioned it and you were clearly drawing a comparison of people's reactions to Kanye v. the UK thing, but still this all I got now"

  • TuIpa||

    " I also don't turn into a whining baby when they don't cover a particular story regardless of its appropriateness"

    No, you do it any time someone says something you don't like.

    Then you shit up threads trying to get the last word, by being a bitchy little child.

  • Nardz||

    "They cover what they choose to cover, deal with it."

    Yes they do. And they choose to bill themselves as existing from a libertarian perspective.

    Along those lines, they posted an article about Russia blocking message app Telegram in Russia.
    Yet... they choose to completely ignore a story about THE LITERAL HUMAN SACRIFICE OF A CHILD TO THE STATE

    It's completely appropriate to call them out for it, even if that's not what Just Say'n did.
    I did in RoundUp. Maybe come bitch about it there.

  • gormadoc||

    If we're in perpetual decline, it makes the most sense to stop posting anything. Nothing's going to change it. Live by the rationality of a time when we weren't decadent (whenever that is) and realize that you can have no positive effect on the course of civilization. Go live your life instead of thinking up bad ad hominems. If your life is reduced to posting angry comments on Reason then go ahead, keep doing it.

    I think it's a tragedy that the kid is dying because the British health system is shitty in every way but first posting in a new thread after we've had folks posting it everywhere is just annoying. Reason doesn't have to cover this (though they should). I feel that Reason writes little on the British system because they simply don't pay much attention to it.

  • ||

    "I feel that Reason writes little on the British system because they simply don't pay much attention to it."

    They should on some level since the virus tends to spread because we share the same civilization.

    What's happening in England will happen in Canada in due course and America should be aware at the very least. Never SOCIALIZE medicine.

    It's pure evil shit going on there.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    It's somewhat humorous that you call other people dumb after a childish outburst like this.

  • TuIpa||

    See? There's that whiny, bitchy baby thing you can't help but do.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    Awww, that's cute.

  • TuIpa||

    That's what proving my point looks like.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    It's funny when you change handles to make it look like someone else is sticking up for you.

  • TuIpa||

    What's really funny is when you have to pretend sockpuppets because your ego can't handle multiple people thinking you're a pathetic 3rd tier poster with no insight.

  • A frilly pink thing||

    $park¥ leftist poser|4.27.18 @ 12:29PM|#
    TuIpa|4.27.18 @ 12:32PM|#
    $park¥ leftist poser|4.27.18 @ 12:33PM|#

    How fucking pathetic is that? You try to act above it all, but you're obviously mashing f5 until you get a reply just so you can post.

  • TuIpa||

    He trolls constantly, get used to it. I'm surprised he isn't actively trolling you now.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    He trolls constantly, get used to it. I'm surprised he isn't actively trolling you now.

    Gotcha

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    How fucking pathetic is that? You try to act above it all, but you're obviously mashing f5 until you get a reply just so you can post.

    Inorite?

  • TuIpa||

    Funny thing about sparky. He keeps name checking those Glibs that he's obviously salty about, because they would completely ignore him any time he gave his opinion.

    He'd fire off the stupid, banal, pedestrian insight that he is famous for, and they'd ignore him. So he'd jack up the stupid, getting more aggro and less coherent, until he was corpsefucking dead threads hoping SOMEONE would engage him. They never did.

  • Just Say'n||

    Sparky you have truly become the shittiest commentator here. You spend all your time looking for any hint of anyone even remotely offering criticism of all things Reason.

    My comment wasn't even criticizing Reason, but you must assume.

    I hope Nick finally lets you blow him. You've put the effort in

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    You spend all your time looking for any hint of anyone even remotely offering criticism of all things Reason.

    Yep, you nailed it.

    I hope Nick finally lets you blow him. You've put the effort in

    It's funny that you still don't know that Katherine has taken over. Maybe you can see who the real objective of my affection is.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I wonder if their might be some editorial here, or maybe the stories aren't popular.

    Scott did talk about a different case last year. If you look in the archive you see two links that mention it as well.

    Seems like it would at least get a name drop. Foreign coverage is usually pretty sketchy, plus they did just fire a bunch of people, but seems like it could at least get a name drop. Perhaps the problem is simply that it's not ENBs wheelhouse, and now that she's the sole AM links person, we lose that variety.

  • Just Say'n||

    All my comment said was that we live in a decadent society where Kanye's tweets have aroused more attention than what's happening in the UK.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I have no idea. I'm just agreeing with you that it's weird that there is no coverage of it here, particularly since a similar case last year was mentioned here.

    Also, people don't care about human life particularly. A lot of people care about their own ability to get offended about certain things, but not so much the life itself.

  • Nardz||

    I'm more honest than most (I think/assume) about how I value human life. I value it personally, not abstractly - thus, I don't get too bent out of shape when imaginary (to me, as I have no experience/sensation of them) people die.

    But I will get offended when a child's life is sacrificed to the state. Literally, "this child dies because The State is supreme and demands it be so."

    And I will point out Reason's hypocrisy in burying the story, especially in light of their "Russia bans Telegram" article

    This is not a libertarian website, it's crypto-progressive.

  • The Laissez-Ferret||

    This! I know Reason (drink!) can only cover so many stories. They haven't ONCE mentioned the fact that a little boy has not only been failed by singer payer healthcare, but the courts have absolved parental rights and ruled that parents cannot take their child to another country.

    And fuck the UK government.

  • Unemployed Armenian Tranny||

    NONE OF THIS MATTERS TO ME!!!

    until you can explain this Ad (https://imgur.com/BgkSz0a) on Reason's newsletter to me.

  • GILMORE™||

    I'm just here for the memes, B.

  • GILMORE™||

    And yea, the harvest of memes has been fruitful, and plentiful, and so the Yeezus faithful were pleased.

  • Jerryskids||

    Chill out, Kanye's twitter account was no doubt hacked by the same Russians who hacked Joy Reid's twitter account, they'll get this straightened out.

  • brady949||

    "Kanye West, perhaps our greatest contemporary pop musician"

    Did you write this article 10 years ago?

  • Jerryskids||

    No, he's just old enough that he stopped paying attention to new music 10 years ago. He ain't hip to what the cool cats and the swingin' chicks are into these days.

  • Mickey Rat||

    Well, it is damning with faint praise.

  • gormadoc||

    What makes Kanye the greatest contemporary pop musician?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    He's a lyrical genius, G.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    And the voice of a generation. Don't believe me? Just ask him yourself sometime, he'll tell you all about it.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    He's a voice of something all right.

  • gah87||

    Explains all the asterisks in his lyrics.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    That's government censorship, yo!

  • John||

    Overpraising Kanye West along with overpraising Beyonce is an essential function of being a white hipster doofus. You just can't be a white hipster without doing that.

  • Eidde||

    Beyoncé (and you should include the accent mark in her name to be a true hipster) has something Kanye doesn't have...I'm trying to put my finger on it...not literally of course...

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    What makes Kanye the greatest contemporary pop musician?

    I have a record/CD collection in the thousands and just checked to see if I had ever bought one by a black artist. I finally found an old Stevie Wonder album so that proves I am not racist.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I get you're making a "I'm no racist, I have a black friend" style jab. But it doesn't really fit the conversation that well.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    It was more like an "I'm incredibly white and have never bought a rapper record" self-deprecating statement.

  • lap83||

    Kanye is way more popular among people who don't listen to rap. He's like the Black Eyed Peas for hipsters

  • John||

    he is pretty popular among people who listen to rap as well. The thing that makes the big rap stars so big is that rap fans are much more uniform than other music fans. They have different tastes and preferences but they pretty much all listen to the really big stars. Every rap fan I have ever met listened to Jay Z and Kanye. They may not have been their favorite but they all listened to them and liked them.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I think it's less that rap fans are uniform, and more that rap is perceived as the major form of pop-music, and thus lack of knowledge of major players is not viewed as a virtue, like it is in certain hipstery fields.

  • Sedona Vortex Hunter||

    I like rap and came of age in the mid to late 80's when it first started to become popular. I hate Jay Z and I dislike Kayne West, and both for sort of the same reason.

    To me they both come across as 'fake'. I realize almost all rapers are playing a role, but these two seem especially bad at it to me and they don't come across as legitimate in my view.

    I suspect however that this 'softer' reality that seeps through is possibly also part of their more widespread crossover appeal. Drake is even a better example of this.

    I realize that 'The Fresh Prince' (Will Smith) could also be described in this manner, however in his case it does not annoy me because he never came across as seriously trying to lay claim to a street image. Just the opposite in fact.

    After considering what I wrote above a moment, I think I may be being a bit unfair to Kanye. I literally can't name a single song of his off the top of my head. It may be that I dislike him more because his fans annoy me than for any other reason.

  • John||

    The fact that 90% of the black community votes for one party is absurd. There are something like 40 million black people in this country. There are black people who are more country than the guys on Duck Dynasty. Black people who are atheists, pagans, and evangelicals and everything in between. Black people who are incredibly wealthy entrepreneurs, black people who have nothing and live in the street, who are thieves or cops or soldiers and everything else. There is no rational reason for all of them to vote Democrat. Most of them, sure. But not 90%

    The reason they do is that the Democrats co-opted the civil rights movement and made voting Democrat an essential part of the black community. It doesn't matter what you think or do if you do not vote Democrat you are not part of the black community. Black conservatives like Clearance Thomas or Mia love are in a very real sense not black because they have been kicked out of the black community. So even though a lot of black people really have nothing in common with the Democratic party, they are Democrats because to not be means being an outcast with your own race.

  • John||

    This is why Kayne West doing this is a big deal. It is not because Kayne is going to get black people to become Republicans or start a Sunday morning talk show where various conservative putzes like Ben Shapiro can wax philosophical. West doing this is important in the same way that famous people defecting from the old Soviet Union were important. Someone like Rudolph Nureyev defecting to the west was a big deal not because Nureyev helped us build weapons or conduct diplomacy or was a good person. It was important because it showed the people he left behind that you could choose a different way. Kayne is basically untouchable. The SJW twitter mob isn't going to affect his career. So, he is going to get away with this. And when he does, it will be that much easier for the next black person to say they are no longer a Democrat and are okay with Republicans. And that will make it easier for the person after that and so forth. So, it is not about Kayne. It is about the people who will follow him.

  • lap83||

    Yeah I don't think Kanye is going to win many hearts or minds, but I do think it's a sign of things to come. Personally I think the area that is going to cause Dems to lose the most black voters is education.

  • Eidde||

    But Republicans have to do their part and act as if they actually want black votes, not just in the "let me say some things to black people with the media present" sense.

    Of course, this would have to be a fairly long-term strategy, because a group's voting habits don't flip in a day.

  • John||

    But Republicans have to do their part and act as if they actually want black votes, not just in the "let me say some things to black people with the media present" sense.

    Bingo. And doing that would entail a lot of prominent Republicans and Conservatives pulling the sticks out of their asses.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    So, it is not about Kayne. It is about the people who will follow him.

    Which is probably why the SJW progressive left is freaking about it. They've already lost blue collar whites, if they start to lose a significant portion of black voters (say, from 90% down to 60% or so) because it all of a sudden becomes OK to be black and not vote Dem, they're really fucked.

  • John||

    If the Democratic party lost 20% of the black vote, they would stop being competitive outside of very deep blue areas. If you go back and give the Republican 20% of the black vote, the Democrats would not have won a Presidential election since Johnson in 64. No kidding. And on top of that, if 20% of the black vote went Republican, the Democrats would have a much harder time bullying suburban and gentry whites into voting Democrats to show they are not racist. It would be an unmitigated disaster for the Democrats. And that is with them still getting 80% of the black vote.

  • Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland||

    Good thing for Democrats, then, that Republicans and conservatives embrace (or in some cases merely appease) racism, gay-bashing, xenophobia, misogyny, and other forms of old-timey intolerance that alienate blacks.

    Carry on, clingers. A little more 'we're colorblind' and 'it's just that our traditional values make us appear to be bigoted' maybe.

  • Dick Puller, Attorney at Law||

    I take the proposition that there's going to be any great black defection to the Republican Party with a huge grain of salt. My hunch is that his fealty is to Trump personally. When Trump goes, so does Kayne.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Would it be too much to ask for Kmele Foster to contribute on the matter here at Reason?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    He did in yesterday's podcast.

  • Cyto||

    I really enjoyed Kmele's commentary over the last couple of years. He's exactly where I am on so many issues. It was like he was my brother from another mother.

    Then he said he was a Kanye West fan.

    I was sure it was sarcasm. Nobody would say that unironically, right?

    Sadly, no. So much for my budding bromance. He's dead to me now. It all was a pack of lies. No truly sentient being could possibly find artistry in the music of Kanye West.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    He's pretty good. College Dropout is a pretty great album. Apparently My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is considered some sort of baroque masterpiece, but I don't really know about that one.

    I like him better than Jay-Z and other major rap producers nowadays. Like him less then 2 Chainz AKA Tittyboi

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    He did call out Obama for having done nothing in eight years to improve conditions in Kanye's hometown of Chicago,

    Not the job of the POTUS yet conservatives often say this. I think they wanted Obama to target blacks for help so they could call him a racist.

  • Ben1234||

    But Obama also did nothing particularly positive for Chicago when he was just a local politician there and when he was a community organizer there.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    The role of politicians isn't to improve things.

  • John||

    Two things have made this whole affair wildly entertaining. First, has been watching various white Progs lecture a black man about how he has become a tool for white supremacy. That spectacle is unseemly, to say the least. The fact that the white Progs doing it so lack self-awareness and so smug they don't realize it is endlessly entertaining and funny.

    The second thing is to watch butthurt conservatives inform everyone what a mistake it is to welcome Kayne to the other side. "Live by Kayne die by Kayne" as Ben Shapiro said on Twitter yesterday. According to these people, Republicans should tell one of the richest and most famous black men in the world "we don't want your kind around here". Yeah that is a brilliant idea. It is for ideas like that we keep geniuses like Ben Shapiro around. God, what a putz.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    This is why it's best and easiest to just agree with someone when you agree, and disagree when you disagree. All or nothing is a stupid system.

  • John||

    You would think that. The other thing is that the whole point of politics is to persuade people. That means successful politics necessarily involves embracing your former enemies. I honestly don't think a lot of conservative pundits and the like understand that. They would rather hold on to their grudges and turn people away. It is a serious loser mentality if you ask me.

    It leaves me to wonder what people like Shapiro and the rest think a winning conservative movement would look like. I honestly think they see it as being bigger but filled with people that look act, and think just like they do. Of course, the world doesn't work that way. A bigger tent means a more diverse tent. If you want the Republicans to get a bigger share of the black vote, doing that is going to entail a few rap stars coming along with that as well as people that little Benji Shapiro's parents wouldn't invite to is Bar Mitzvah. They don't seem to be mature enough to understand that.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    On the flip-side, there are just enough Americans left who vote conservative than Democrats who are trying to kill you, your family, and end the United States.

    Its hard to embrace lefty people actively trying to annihilate you and yours.

  • Jordan||

    The man really is a master-class troll.

  • John||

    I think like most really big pop stars he is a bit crazy. Being a pop star of his level of fame would make anyone a bit nuts. And I think you have to be a little crazy to have the kind of drive and single-minded focus it takes to be a professional musician or artist in the first place.

    I don't believe that he is trolling or working some angle to promote himself. I think it is more likely he is someone surrounded by people who would never tell him, no and as a result feels comfortable saying or doing whatever the hell he wants. For whatever reason, he decided he likes Trump and is going to tell the world about it. The more people have a fit about it, the more he is probably going to do it out of stubbornness if anything else.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    Could be what he sees in Trump. Game recognizes game.

  • Nardz||

    Kanye is a wildly successful iconoclast because he says what he thinks.
    Trump is a wildly successful iconoclast because he says what he thinks.
    Not hard to see.

    Trump's crime is not saying the right things.
    Kanye's crime is not thinking the right things.
    (according to the totalitarians who comprise our power structure)

    Tweets:
    John Legend: "Hey it's JL. I hope you'll reconsider aligning yourself with Trump. You're way too powerful and influential to endorse who he is and what he stands for. As you know, what you say really means something to your fans. They are loyal to you and respect your opinion. So many people who love you feel so betrayed right now because they know the harm that Trump's policies cause, especially to people of color. Don't let this be part of your legacy. You're the greatest artist of our generation"
    Kanye West: "i love you John and i appreciate your thoughts. You bringing up my fans or my legacy is a tactic based on fear used to manipulate my free thought."

    Baller.

  • Ron||

    lots of smart people also say crazy things hence the term crazy smart Kayne may fit into that mold just like Trump people may hate him but he's deffinately crazy smart. I have some relatives that are crazy smart it is a real thing

  • John||

    A lot of stupid people with no business sense or savvy can make hit records. And they always end up broke at the end of it. To be able to make hit records and make the kind of money he has made requires some intelligence beyond just the ability to make music.

  • lap83||

    I'm shocked. Shocked....that Kanye is not With Her.

  • lap83||

    But really, between the evil old white hag the Democrats ran and their focus on issues that only privileged academics care about, why would anyone except dumb progs be surprised when they start to lose their grip on anyone who isn't an sjw.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Due to the fiscal insanity of the modern GOP we have old Reagan Republicans like Bruce Bartlett abandoning the GOP.

    The fright is on the crazy train just like Bernie Bros are.

  • John||

    I hear Trump might double the national debt in 8 years. Only a mad man would do something like that. Right Shreek?

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    I remember when conservatives were telling acts like the Dixie Chicks to shut up and sing. Now they love them some Kanye speaking out.

  • Tom Bombadil||

    The important thing Kanye said is that people should be treated as individuals, think for themselves, and be free to speak. Which politician he likes or dislikes is unimportant. He took a stand against tribalism, and its significance is proportionate to its rarity.

  • John||

    He really did. He posted a text exchange he had with John Legend that was brutal. John Legend is telling him to think of his fans and his "legacy". And west tells him to fuck off. That things like your fans or your legacy are just excuses to keep you from thinking for yourself. It was absolutely spot on.

  • Nardz||

    Tweets:

    John Legend: "Hey it's JL. I hope you'll reconsider aligning yourself with Trump. You're way too powerful and influential to endorse who he is and what he stands for. As you know, what you say really means something to your fans. They are loyal to you and respect your opinion. So many people who love you feel so betrayed right now because they know the harm that Trump's policies cause, especially to people of color. Don't let this be part of your legacy. You're the greatest artist of our generation"

    Kanye West: "i love you John and i appreciate your thoughts. You bringing up my fans or my legacy is a tactic based on fear used to manipulate my free thought."

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Kanye is 100% correct there.

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Are progressives boycotting Kanye like conservatives boycotted the Dixie Chicks for speaking out against the war?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I have in fact seen people calling for a boycott.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I have in fact seen people calling for a boycott.

  • Tom Bombadil||

    "Are progressives boycotting Kanye like conservatives boycotted the Dixie Chicks for speaking out against the war?"

    I have no idea, I don't even tweet, but why don't you go ahead and say they aren't so everyone can laugh at you later?

  • Hank Phillips||

    Since ignorant redneck pluckers took to calling Natalie "Saddam's Whore" for not licking the blacking off of G. Waffen Bush's boots, one wonders what gangsta rappers are going to be calling Whutzisname any minute now.

  • Ron||

    The difference between Kayne and the Dixi chick is they trashed the U.S. while safely on foreign soil. unlike Kayne who says what he means to your face. Americans respect that of Kayne

  • josh||

    "and the Dixi chick is they trashed the U.S"

    They didn't trash the U.S. They trashed a particular politician.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    The Dixie Chicks said this:
    "Just so you know, we're on the good side with y'all. We do not want this war, this violence, and we're ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas."

  • Hank Phillips||

    I immediately started buying their CDs. I am only ashamed that the American people fail to see that mystical bigots like Herb Hoover, Nixon, and the Bush dynasty used asset-forfeiture prohibitionism to wreck the economy time after time while media vidiots act like 1929, 1973, 1987 and 2007 were just a series of unfortunate coincidences that happened to befall well-intentioned initiators of force.

  • esteve7||

    literally last month the leftist mob tried to boycott Laura Ingram's show because she told Lebron to shut up and dribble, and a month later those same leftists are saying shut up and rap.

    Consistency from no one. Celebrity doesn't give you any more expertise to talk politics than anyone else. I'm an IT guy, that doesn't mean I suddenly became an amazing art critic. .

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Kanye's wife, Kim Kardashian, has called out people who have been writing off Kanye's latest pro-MAGA tweets as signs of mental illness

    Of course they do. Because they stand up for mental illness (They make sad pitying faces at them) but weaponize it whenever they have someone who might disagree. Destigmitization for them isn't that they're humans, with rights, and that mental illness is a just a part of who a human being is. No, to them destigmitization is feeling sad for them, as you get government dogs to strap them down and subject them to ECT.

    Fucking insincere monsters.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    The fucking stupid part is that Kanye hasn't changed a bit as far as his personality goes. He's always acted like he was a couple crayons short of a box, but as long as he was scuzzing Taylor Swift, trashing Dubya, acting like Beyoncé is a great artist instead of a glorified showgirl whose sole talent is shaking her big ass, and making auto-tuned hip-hop, everybody thought he was a genius. Now he's telling John Legend to stop trying to manipulate him for not buying into the tribal mindset of the modern progressive, and he's suddenly a head case.

  • John||

    The funny thing is that what he told Legend is one of the sanest things he has ever said.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Beyonce is a pretty talented voice. And she has driven a large movement surrounding her visual and audio styles. And by many accounts she is the one at the helm. So in that regard, she is a significant artist.

  • lap83||

    your Millenial is showing

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    She's got a good set of pipes, but like most pop stars she is the product of marketing and a larger creative workforce behind the scenes. Nothin' wrong with that necessarily, but I don't see her as the cultural renaissance woman she is billed as.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Beyoncé has been a marketing creation ever since Destiny's Child. Her voice isn't any more distinctive than any other pop diva, and her catalog is a result of a massive team of songwriters. She's a significant artist only in the sense that she's proof that someone with no particular musical ability can become the biggest star in the industry if they have the right people fluffing them.

  • Dread Pirate Roberts||

    Democrats haven't been this pissed off since Lincoln freed the slaves.

  • lap83||

    I loled

  • Cynical Asshole||

    Democrats haven't been this pissed off since Lincoln freed the slaves.

    ^Thread Winner^

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Exactly.

  • Hank Phillips||

    You mean since Tammany Hall nominated Whiskey Al Smith?

  • DajjaI||

    Your values is a disarray, prioritizin horribly unhappy with the riches cause you're piss poor morally.

  • Rock Action||

    Yes! So live your life...ayyy ayyy ayyy aye

  • Rock Action||

    Yes! So live your life...ayyy ayyy ayyy aye

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    I think Kanye has a particularly unique way of seeing things that sometimes seems very offbeat, but I also think he has some trouble communicating his thinking to most people, given his intensity and the forced brevity of soundbyte culture. If he had a regular vlog where there was a patient and sympathetic straight man to create a dialogue with, to ask the right questions to clarify and explore Kanye's thinking, I would definitely watch with interest. Social media; twitter in particular isn't a good forum to attempt to communicate poltical and ideological views/arguments. I have an optimism that Kanye will become a beacon of free thinking, libertarian ideas for many people that would otherwise never be exposed to that, except in offhand, sarcy comments in left-leaning media.

  • esteve7||

    If Kayne is promoting Jordan Peterson, then good for him. Some serious red-pilling going on here.

    It's hilarious the left can't make arguments, so they just slander JP with alt-right and all their other brainless insults. Even though JP actually steers people away from the alt-right, unlike the radical leftists that push people to it.

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    What are the trending insults? Has he been called an Oreo?

  • Sometimes a Great Notion||

    I'm still pissed Bob Dylan abandoned the folk scene for the electric guitar.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Get out of here Pete Seeger. Go to your final resting place, damn it.

  • Sometimes a Great Notion||

    Once your one thing you can't change. And if there isn't a law against that there ought to be, god damnit. Now get off my lawn.

  • John||

    There are some very funny parts to the Martin Scorcese Bob Dylan documentary that was made a few years ago. Dylan never bought any of the bullshit the folkies were selling and just went along with it until he got famous and wanted to do a different kind of music. There is one scene where Joan Biez is talking about how she will go to this day she will go to political rallies and dipshit aging folkies will ask her "Is Dylan coming?". In the film she says in so many words "no, he is not coming you half wit, he never came to these things". It is really funny. Even fifty years on it is so obvious how in love Biaz was and still kind of is with Dylan. He was never her thing.

  • John||

    Play it fucking loud!!

  • VinniUSMC||

    perhaps our greatest contemporary pop musician

    Wot?

    I can't even, I just can't.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    A lot of that sort of Trumplove seems nihilistic...

    Nihilists? Fuck me...

  • Deconstructed Potato||

    Say what you want about the tenets of National Socialism feeling the Bern but at least it's an ethos.

  • Cy||

    Kanye likes to piss people off. Postings MAGA! as we all know, pisses a lot of people off.

  • John||

    There are few more subversive things to do.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    My goodness, what a difficult kerfuffle to care about.

  • Rhywun||

    Maybe he just wants a tax cut. Not everything is about "race" despite the best efforts of everybody in America trying to make it so.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Race's impact on any situation has been made unfalsifiable.

  • ||

    I don't get why so much attention to Kanye.

  • gphx||

    If the Yeezy fits, loot it.

  • Hank Phillips||

    People whose faculties never developed to the point of framing thoughts in terms of concepts naturally fall back on instinctual likings for this blowhard or that snake-in-the-grass. One can't help noticing that this is the norm for any gathering of Republicans or Democrats.

  • Eman||

    Kanye West is just as good at political commentary as he is at music.

  • Deplorable Victor||

    "the basic idea that black people are doing fine in America except for their own flaws"

    That's true of everyone. Blacks are as a group simply far more flawed.

  • MSimon||

    http://classicalvalues.com/201.....ot-wanted/

    Kanye West (formerly a famous Black rap artist) has made a lot of still Black people (most of whom are formerly white) angry that he no longer supports the Democrats.

  • MSimon||

    Did I mention I'm predicting a Republican blow out in Nov?

  • Eman||

    Kanye habitually rhymes words with themselves,which is pretty much the worst thing a rapper can do.

  • The Metonymy||

    For the record, Kayne didn't make Chicago better either. It's not like drive by shooters are bumpin' Obama speeches on their stereos.

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