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Feminist Porn Isn't Free

A new porn platform for women claims to promote ethical, feminist smut while pirating clips and stealing from sex workers.

Michelle Schnaidman/FacebookMichelle Schnaidman/Facebook"Our goal was to undress Pinterest, not dress up Pornhub," the press kit for Bellesa, a Montreal-based web startup, proclaims with lofty feminist ambitions. A recent writeup on Bustle hails the (NSFW) site as "good both for women and for men who want something outside what our patriarchal, heteronormative society dictates they should like."

Little of Bellesa's video content, however, distinguishes it from other porn sites; it's Pornhub in a Pinterest wrapper. Nothing wrong with that per se—in fact, a porn platform with serves up a variety of videos (not just the softcore, romantic stuff that's often assumed to appeal more to women) with a less aggressively masculine interface would probably do well.

But for a site to live up to its idealistic, feminist branding, it needs to account for the labor and intellectual property of those producing the content—the performers, directors, and others who actually make the adult videos—whether that means making content distribution deals with independent sex workers or ethical-porn production companies; producing content in house; or working out some sort of profit-sharing platform for user-created content.

Bellesa—Catalan for beauty—does none of these things. Canadian magazine The Link describes founder Michelle Schnaidman's role as curating or facilitating porn—"she makes it available for those who seek it." It solves what Bustle writer Joanna Weiss described as the "pesky paywall" problem by featuring porn clips cribbed from all around the web, without paying or promoting the people who made them.

Bellesa also asks women to upload their own "erotic stories, sexy photos and GIFs, and feminist blog posts" for free, for the fun of it. Apparently all it takes to find feminist pornography is being willing to band together with other feminists and become unpaid porn stars, erotica writers, and digital content producers for the cause!

Shnaidman assures women she created this porn clearinghouse for only the best and most feminist reasons.

"We need to put an end to slut-shaming and to the antiquated idea that sex is something men do to women," she told Bustle. "Or something women do for men. Because it's not. Once society finally accepts the notion that women like sex (like, really like sex), we can begin shattering the stigma surrounding female sexuality—and of course porn."

The Bellesa website decries the "male-dominated paradigms that have defined sex on the internet" so far, and porn that is "derogatory and exclusionary towards women."

"The market for services meeting women's sexual needs is often neglected due to the myth that women are less sexual than men," explains Bustle. But on Bellesa, there will be "relatable" bodies, performers expressing "authentic" pleasure, and as many shots of nude men as women.

Refinery29 even recommends women against signing up for a non "female-friendly" porn subscription service and instead find "free porn" on Bellessa.

Both the women's media and Shnaidman here showcase problems (long) prevalent among mainstream feminists: a willingness to throw certain sorts of women under the bus when it's convenient; an apparent inability to consider how creating some preferable condition for some normative class of women will affect those not in this class; and a tendency to embrace personal liberation on the backs of more marginalized groups.

Several adult-film producers have already asked Bellesa to take down their content.

And sex workers on social media have been protesting the feminist-friendly narrative around the pirated-video platform.

Bellesa may have recognized a market opportunity and leapt on it, but company rhetoric about serving up adult-entertainment in an ethical or feminist manner is just branding drivel. The most feminist-friendly way to consume porn is to make sure the performers are getting paid.

Update: On Thursday afternoon, Bellesa released a statement announcing that it was taking down its entire video section for now and "making a firm commitment ... to transition the entirety of the video section of Bellesa to feature exclusively videos that are in direct partnership with studios, and that compensate fairly for their contribution."

"For those that are open to working with us, we would love nothing more. To those that do not because it's too little, too late, I understand and I'm sorry," wrote Michelle Shnaidman.

"The goal with which I created this platform has regrettably become in direct conflict with supporting and respecting the women of the sex-space," wrote Shnaidman. "We've displayed a massive amount of ignorance with regards to the adult entertainment space and have unintentionally hurt women who work in the sex space. We are unendingly sorry for this."

Photo Credit: Michelle Shnaidman/Facebook

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  • Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian||

    As always, I agree with with Jiz Lee.

  • Unlabelable MJGreen||

    I'm with Kim Cums. This is disgraceful.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    good both for women and for men who want something outside what our patriarchal, heteronormative society dictates they should like

    Haha. Oh child. I've been watching stuff outside the "patriarchal, heteronormative society" since I was 10 or so. The stuff they're advertising is just porn for women.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    At this point, BUCS can't get off unless there's ten dudes and a lady midget going to town on a pile of watermelons within his visual field.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    The preferred nomenclature these days is "Shortstacks" and I consider lady midget to be incredibly regressive. I ask you to please weight your language before making posts.

    But yeah, people breaking watermelons with their thighs is definitely a necessary component.

  • Chipper Morning, Mean Girl||

    That shortstack better have a long shag, amirite, BUCS?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Pubes to the ground is a lot easier when you're 3 foot nothing.

  • Hugh Akston||

    BUCS is clearly an advocate of the clean slate, because nothing kills the mood like spending three days picking watermelon seeds out of your pubes.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Are you kidding? That's part of the allure!

  • Chipper Morning, Mean Girl||

    Hugh, it is H&R canon that BUCS needs a carpet that completely overshadows the drapes in order to feel at home.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    No, I have very openly come out in support of bush. Though they don't have to be completely naked when crushing the watermelon. Commonly they are wearing a bikini or something as the genitals are kind of a lesser focus in thigh busting stuff.

  • Hugh Akston||

    Clearly I don't know as much about the shortstacking community as I assumed.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Shortstack is the short girl. Because she's short and stacked. It's not a verb.

    Jesus, this website. Only Robby knows where I'm coming from at all.

  • Hugh Akston||

    I'll never look at Fruit Sushi the same way after today.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Both the women's media and Shnaidman here showcase problems (long) prevalent among mainstream feminists: a willingness to throw certain sorts of women under the bus when it's convenient...

    "YOU WANT TO BE A HOUSEWIFE???"

  • Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian||

    Remember when pro-life groups were excluded from the women's march, because they weren't women enough?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Nothing less womanly than carrying a child to term.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Shout your kids birthday!

  • Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian||

    Ugh @ the unnecessary comma.

  • Chipper Morning, Mean Girl||

    Dude, that is totally an appropriate Walken comma.

  • Hugh Akston||

    If you're gonna Walken comma, you gotta do it all the way.

    Remember, when pro-life groups, were excluded, from the women's march, because, they weren't, women enough?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    You've also gotta randomly vary the volume and intonation:

    Remember, WHEN pro-LIFE groups, were exCLUded, from the women's MARCH, because, they WEREN'T, WOmen enough?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Don't be afraid to Shatner things up.

  • Radioactive||

    shouldn't Ms. Shnaidman be fem-spreading (esp. w/o undergarments and having recently shaved) in the picture? ... asking for a friend

  • Citizen X - #6||

    "Stealing porn empowers no one," says someone called Jiz Lee.

  • Chipper Morning, Mean Girl||

    Hey, Jet Dong was already taken.

  • Zeb||

    I sort of knew someone in college whose name was almost, but not quite Jiz Lee. And she wrote and article in the school paper about how much she liked sucking dicks.

  • buybuydandavis||

    It pays to advertise.

  • Unlabelable MJGreen||

    Pornhub has an "aggressively masculine interface"? Oh no, I've been strengthening the patriarchy this whole time!

  • Citizen X - #6||

    I was strengthening the patriarchy. Then i had to stop for about half an hour. Then i strengthened the patriarchy some more.

  • Radioactive||

    1/2 hour is pretty good time...

  • Chipper Morning, Mean Girl||

    It takes Citizen X at least 30 minutes to finish on Pornhub, since he has already seen all the catfolk-themed clips multiple times.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I'm calling bullshit on that claim. Ain't enough time in a life.

  • Rat on a train||

    There is an infinite supply of kitty porn.

  • Domestic Dissident||

    Your faded Shepherd Fairy Obama posters don't really count.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    That might be an effective burn if i'd ever once said anything in support of Obama and if we weren't talking about a specific video-hosting website, but as it is it's just mildly baffling. D-

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I mean, Motherless has a animation of a girl alone crying in the top corner. I don't know if that's patriarchal, but there is something off about that on a porn site.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    She didn't get picked for a gangbang.

  • Mickey Rat||

    I guess we are going to have to face it, women are addicted to love.

  • Radioactive||

    or at least lady porn...

  • Mickey Rat||

    It is closer to the truth, they cannot get enough.

  • Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian||

    I thought feminist porn would be something like these feminists fucking this feminist.

  • Chipper Morning, Mean Girl||

    Nothing a couple of IPAs wouldn't take care of.

  • Chipper Morning, Mean Girl||

    If you have a good throwing arm, that is.

  • buybuydandavis||

    Feminist+ porn coming to a web site near you.

    Moldylocks comes home to be serviced by her beta male after a long day of punching Nazis in street riots.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    Which is why they detest economics and clamor for federal grants; not even the most pathetically disturbed would pay to see that.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I've had like 5 comments that I almost posted here and deleted. I have to control myself or I'm going to just end up going off the rails with the porn talk.

  • Chipper Morning, Mean Girl||

    Come one, man, we don't judge.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Fine, fine I'll come once. But just because you asked.

  • Shirley Knott||

    We don't?

  • Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian||

    What would porn look like if it were built from the ground up — by and for women? "What we found is that women are interested in the true nature of sex," she says. "We want the storylines to reflect reality. We want the performers' pleasure to be authentic and the bodies relatable. In general, we want the sex to feel… real. There are elements of fantasy, for sure, but mixed with realism. We call it 'fantasy fuel' and it's what really powers Bellesa."

    It's called amateur pornography, and believe it or not there is quite a lot of it on the internet.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I see relatable bodies everywhere in real life. I turn to porn to see unrelatable bodies.

  • Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian||

    And some prefer their fantasies to be more realistic, especially for those who are insecure and want to feel superior to the people they're watching.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I have a relatable body, so everyone in porn feels superior to me. That's the way I like it.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I just like body type variety. Porn stars have traditionally evolved to a specific look and sometimes I want some chub. Sometimes I want a shortstack. Sometimes I want an amputee.

    Normal porn does not provide this, which is clearly an example of Market Failure.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    I don't know about this site, but I always get nervous that outwardly feminist porn means you're watching Lena Dunham bang a geezer with his socks on.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Most common thing I see in it is kind of butch or alt looking girls. Like Suicide Girls but chubbier.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    So, basically walk through Cap Hill for an hour or so and you'll get the idea.

  • Mickey Rat||

    ENB comes out as supporting the concept that intellectual property exists.

  • Chipper Morning, Mean Girl||

    Real libertarians support IP.

    If this comment derails this thread from the porn jokes into the nuances of property rights theory, I won't know whether to laugh or cry.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    The legal Porn industry is the vanguard of technology and staunch defenders of individual rights. They depend on it.

    The illegal porn industry should probably be feared.

  • Chipper Morning, Mean Girl||

    Also, prostitutes were long at the forefront of women's property rights. Fashion, too.

  • buybuydandavis||

    Comes out *against* open source porn.

    Doesn't make our capitalist masters any money.

    For Open Borders, against Open Source Porn.

    "Whatever the Koch's Want"

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Porn belongs to the people!

  • Hugh Akston||

    If Bellesa wants to set itself apart from other tube sites, it can partner with producers/talent who share its values, put shortened previews on the free front of the site, and put the full videos behind a paywall. Also it can get people to write the video descriptions who speak goddamn English and who aren't suspiciously interested in the male talent's size.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    How much English does one need to write "kid bangs step mom milf"

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I'm pretty sure you could take 20 words or so, and then just randomly string them together and get porn titles on streaming sites.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    That'll do it.

  • Hugh Akston||

    You would be surprised at how garbled and unhelpful some of those things can be.

  • Chipper Morning, Mean Girl||

    An example of what you mean would be helpful, Hugh.

  • Hugh Akston||

    I would gladly do so if I weren't at work. Except that if I wasn't at work I would be looking at porn and not H&R.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Unrealistic or realistic body porn? Asking for an ungroomed friend.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    One that comes to mind I saw was "Latino fist fist makeout"

    Let me tell you, there was neither makeouts nor latinos in that video.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    One that comes to mind I saw was "Latino fist fist makeout"

    Let me tell you, there was neither makeouts nor latinos in that video.

  • Rebel Scum||

    OT: The other female Democrat that just can't let it go and will not shut up.

    California Rep. Maxine Waters is not a member of any of the Congressional committees investigating possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian government. She also has no particular insight into Special Counsel Robert Mueller's probe of Russian meddling. But that didn't stop the Democratic lawmaker from offering up a "guarantee" on Thursday that Trump colluded with the Kremlin during last year's presidential campaign.

    "Here you have a president who I can tell you and guarantee you is in collusion with the Russians to undermine our democracy," Waters boldly told an audience at an event for the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation in Washington, D.C.

    Well, if you say so...

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    She has a list of over 100 different people in the Federal Government who are proven to be colluding with the Russians.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Oddly, she is on her own list three times.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    People may have convinced her she could be president in 2020.

  • Rhywun||

    Good lord, is she that gone?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

  • Ska||

    Holy fuck, and I thought youtube commentators were deluded.

  • Rebel Scum||

    People may have convinced her she could be president in 2020.

    That's a frightening thought. Though I suppose there would be plenty of laughs if she did. Waters/Harris 2020.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    When you're Auntie Maxine, you only have to say do and the people behind the cameras lap it up because they believe.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "Bellesa also asks women to upload their own "erotic stories, sexy photos and GIFs, and feminist blog posts" for free, for the fun of it. Apparently all it takes to find feminist pornography is being willing to band together with other feminists and become unpaid porn stars, erotica writers, and digital content producers for the cause!"

    The point of a comment section is to entice readers to create content for free. Every time some commenter, here, writes "RTFA", they're probably dealing with someone who prefers to read the free content in comments--instead of the articles.

    I suspect the commenters here are often more libertarian than some of the staff, and some of the commenters are better writers than some of the staff, too. If I wanted people to know what libertarians think about free speech, I wouldn't send them here to read the staff reporter on that issue.

    Also, this is how YouTube got started. Why would they make content for YouTube for free? Actually, it's a proven business model, and once traffic to YouTube got big enough, users were able to monetize their videos. That model for a YouTube of pr0n makes a ton of sense.

    P.S. There seems to be a trend of pr0n starts doing relaxation and ASMR videos. They're not doing pr0n in the YouTube videos; it's just another way for them to reach potential customers, apparently. Why pay for advertising when a site like the one described in this article would let you advertise for free?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    ASMR makes me feel dirtier and more uncomfortable than any porn.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Oh, except for this ASMR Role Play

  • Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian||

    suspect the commenters here are often more libertarian than some of the staff, and some of the commenters are better writers than some of the staff, too.

    Since I had to read your comment five times to figure out your point, I do not think you are one of the better writers, however, I agree with your youtube example.

  • Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian||

    Additionally, there are very few writers who have the ability to make politics interesting and compelling, so I always laugh at the "we could do better" claims some people like to make.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    I'd argue that, the better you understand politics, the less interesting and compelling it is - it just turns into a bunch of "Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with you people-shaped monsters."

  • Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian||

    Sure, but creating consistently interesting and compelling content - especially in the world of politics - is very difficult, which is why the vast majority of political writing is simplistic garbage.

  • Ken Shultz||

    It's difficult when you have readers who brag about their lack of reading comprehension.

    "Since I had to read your comment five times to figure out your point . . . "

    LOL

    Do you count on your fingers, too?

  • Hugh Akston||

    Five times is actually on the low side of figuring out what the fuck Ken Shultz is on about/giving up and reading more worthwhile comments.

  • Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian||

    It's difficult when you have readers who brag about their lack of reading comprehension.

    Or, a reader has to waddle through meandering bullshit to get to your point.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "Or, a reader has to waddle through meandering bullshit to get to your point."

    If you can't understand a few sentences directly under the quote they're responding to, then you're an idiot.

    Regardless, why brag about your lack of reading comprehension. What, are you some kind of redneck?

  • Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian||

    Regardless, why brag about your lack of reading comprehension. What, are you some kind of redneck?

    You probably think this is clever, too.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "You probably think this is clever, too."

    I wouldn't try "clever" on someone who can't understand a comment--even after reading it four times. That would be mean.

    Did you get your head around, "If you can't understand a few sentences directly under the quote they're responding to, then you're an idiot" right away, or did you have to read it a few times?

  • Libertymike||

    What do you want?

    Analysis?

    Comprehensive coverage and detail?

    Critical review?

    Facts?

    Humor?

    Insight?

    Nuance?

    Opinion?

    Passion?

    Perspective?

    Pretty Prose?

    Satire?

    Sesquipedalian logomachy?

    Tendentiousness?

    A Way with Words?

    Wit?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I just want questions. Just long series of questions.

  • Chipper Morning, Mean Girl||

    I definitely want some sesquipedalian logomachy.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Ask BUCS, Chipper - he probably has some sesquipedalian logomachy sites bookmarked.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I think I've seen some stuff with Septuagenarian Lagomorphs if that counts.

  • Chipper Morning, Mean Girl||

    Rabbits don't live that long. Unless...
    Zombie rabbits with long pubes. Now I've seen everything.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Drawings can be any damn fantasy the artist wants.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I definitely could do way gooder. Glibertarians is unafraid to post my sweet righting though so there clearly the superior cite.

  • Hugh Akston||

    "Dumbicrats: Why is there shit all retarded?"

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Honestly, a fair portion of the commentators here would probably love that post. Claim that it's one of the only true libertarian posts TreasonNN (NN like Neural Network) has made in years.

  • buybuydandavis||

    Every time some commenter, here, writes "RTFA", they're probably dealing with someone who prefers to read the free content in comments--instead of the articles.

    Reason's primary value is the community.

    Online discussion communities have really gone backwards since mailing lists and usenet.

    Is there any discussion forum out there with decent threading and netflix style collaborative filtering?

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Hey, been seeing some interesting stuff happening in Spain. They on the verge of a civil war over there? Reason coverage seems non existent.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Last night PM links had a link about the Catalan thing, but that's as far as I've heard. Haven't heard almost anything on other news sites either.

  • John||

    You know who else wanted a civil war in Spain?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    The Alt-Right Condor Legion?

  • Rat on a train||

    Elizabeth I

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Muhammad XII of the Emirate of Granada?

  • Domestic Dissident||

    Because even our deranged media can't find a plausible way to blame the situation over there on Trump.

  • Uncle Jay||

    RE: Feminist Porn Isn't Free
    A new porn platform for women claims to promote ethical, feminist smut while pirating clips and stealing from sex workers.

    Its not stealing or pirating clips from porn sites or from sex workers if feminists do it, only when their male oppressors steal it would it be considered illegal and/or immoral.

  • Shirley Knott||

    That's because men take, womyn share.

  • Uncle Jay||

    Feminist porn: Just add MILF.

  • Rhywun||

    the stigma surrounding female sexuality

    Wut? Does anybody actually believe this? Anybody real.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Lots of people still are obsessed with virgins and that having sex with more than one person makes a woman a slut. I've even read people try to justify it with science. Like saying women having sex with multiple men leads to down syndrome babies.

    It's out there for sure.

  • Rhywun||

    Sure, there are some cultures where this stuff is the norm. Ours is not one of them, and it isn't helping their cause to pretend it is.

  • Libertymike||

    BUCS, would you rather marry a virgin or a hussy who has been hosed by more guys than there people on the New England Patriots' season-ticket waiting list?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Depends on the person. There's way too many qualities besides that to even make comment on it.

    All things equal though, I really don't give a shit.

  • Libertymike||

    Well, ceteris paribus says that it is nigh impossible for a gentleman to be so dismissive about such a subject.

  • John||

    Then there are people who say that biology causes women to want multiple partners even more than men. I love how people make up fairy tales about how biology justifies whatever behavior they prefer.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    It's wacky. Even if there is statistical truth to certain statements, (i.e. certain groups tend to act some way or another in aggregate) I would say it is effectively unlibertarian to not judge individuals as individuals.

  • ||

    I'd take it one step further and say it is immoral no to judge individuals as individuals.

  • ||

    Yes, because appeasement is the only moral way to deal with snowflakes.

    I don't owe any of you anything.

  • Libertymike||

    Yes, individuals should be judged as individuals.

    However, libertarianism is the NAP; it is not anti-racism, diversity, inclusiveness, multiculturalism, and other progressive putridness.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    It is only the NAP?

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Being against the shallowest, laziest, stupidest form of collectivism is putrid and non-libertarian?

    If you're judging individuals as individuals then that rules out judging them by race, hoss.

  • Libertymike||

    Libertarianism is the NAP.

    If a Chinese business wants to exclude doing business with African businesses and individuals, libertarianism favors the freedom of association of such a Chinese business, it does not yell "RAY- CIST"!

    It manifestly does not favor forcing the Chinese business to do business with whom it has chosen not to do so.

  • buybuydandavis||

    "Statistics so unlibertarian"

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    The stigma is there's not enough of it.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    About 15% of men and 34% of women say they're not really interested in sex, according to a new study, statistics that few experts find surprising.

    This report's findings jibe with the evidence I've personally gathered.

  • Libertymike||

    FoE, I trust that you are in the 85%. Otherwise, how much evidence could you have gathered?

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Obviously I reject the question. I am only interested in lovemaking. Real hard.

  • Hugh Akston||

    What he means is that he has personally propositioned 53 million women and none of them expressed any interest in his offer.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Fist's mass-mailings for 30% of USPS's non-Amazon mail.

  • GILMORE™||

    All social-justice is just moral-marketing.

    No one who claims to be an activist for racial equality, women's liberation, environmental justice, or any other of the intersectional issues-du-jour really ever does fuck all in service of those goals.

    Watch what they do. What they do is *self-promote*.

    Its all marketing. Its a projection of moral fashion-statements. It used to be that "wearing your heart on your sleeve" was a giveaway of superficiality: now its become an entire aesthetic. Its those little rubber wristbands and yellow ribbons around trees taken to sociological extremes. Its a language that people use to communicate social-status and in-group affiliation. And because the value of social-capital declines when it becomes common currency... there is a constant need to find new ways to elevate yourself above your fellow moral-preening peers.

    If you don't believe me, fine. But try and find some other explanation for arguments like this

    Once you begin to accept this, lots of behaviors make a lot more sense. And you can cease pretending to be outraged when businesses with "lofty feminist ambitions" turn out to be noting more than the same old shit with different marketing.

  • GILMORE™||

    *and yes, this is the essence of cynicism. Being cynical is bad when its a default reaction to everything. there's nothing wrong with it when its actually the best-available explanation.

  • John||

    They focus on meaningless shit because meaningful things require thought and effort. And no one wants that.

  • GILMORE™||

    that's not really what i'm talking about, but probably true as well.

    my point was that the actually-"meaningful" things that modern SJW's claim to be about are simply means to entirely different ends.

  • John||

    I agree. They focus on meaningless shit because it is easy and accomplishes the end of self promotion.

  • Libertymike||

    Maybe Mr. Young should get woke on the biggest faux pas of black men vis-à-vis black women: impregnating them and running away faster than O.J. sped through the airport.

  • GILMORE™||

    Your white-supremacist, patriarchal condescension is noted

  • Libertymike||

    First time anybody has called me patriarchal.

  • GILMORE™||

    That could only be because of your active contribution to the oppression of marginalized voices.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    You are saying what I have always suspected; just another round of "Oh, that's nothing; I care about THIS."

  • John||

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....ation.html

    Sabrina the Teenage Witch grew up into Melissa the Middle Aged Milf.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Truly, this does not rank as actual news. Not a comment on you John. This is just the third article I've seen talking about her tweet.

  • John||

    It is totally not news. The only remarkable thing about that article is how good she looks in that black and white dress.

  • Maven Houlihan||

    If Reason pays its writers based on number of comments, ENB has to be a billionaire by now.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    The best is when Hihn comes in and tries to hit on her from the comments.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Hihn briefly dated ENB's great-great-grandmother in the 1880s, and sometimes he gets them mixed up.

  • Chipper Morning, Mean Girl||

    He tried to turn her into a vampire so they could be together forever, but dropped his dentures right before delivering the kiss of eternity, and by the time he recovered them from the hungry rat that ran off with them, her body was devoured by the rat's packmates.

  • buybuydandavis||

    I come to Reason for the shipping fan fiction.

  • Ken Shultz||

    CEO of KB Homes to next door neighbor Kathy Griffin and her boyfriend:

    "Hey Randy, go fuck yourself," Mezger seethed in the tape obtained by the Huffington Post.

    "You're stuck with a fucking bald dyke (sic) who Donald Trump kind of put the heat on," he said, referring to Griffin's controversial decapitation photo shoot.

    "Fuck you and fuck Kathy. You're not our fucking neighbor, you're a fucking asshole."

    http://tinyurl.com/y8hvgqev

    The board is withholding 25% of his bonus, apparently, for the homophobic slur, but with a speech like that, he could easily run for governor in much of middle America.

    He was pissed off because Kathy Griffin supposedly called the cops on his family barbecue.

  • John||

    I don't think it is fair to dykes to call her a dyke. Even bull dykes have standards.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Calling the cops on your neighbors is kind of a dick move, too. I'm sure it's a nice neighborhood. You couldn't just call or walk over and ask them to keep it down?

    And nobody fines Kathy Griffin for being a "fucking asshole".

    But you can't say shit like that, especially to Kathy Griffin. I mean, she's world renowned for repeating everything that happens to her on stage. Seinfeld made an entire episode devoted to her doing that.

  • Libertymike||

    As for the directors of the company, they are the personification of cuck.

  • Rhywun||

    I think I saw this episode of Seinfeld.

  • Ken Shultz||

    +1

  • Crusty Juggler - Lawbertarian||

  • John||

    Tranny Bonaducci. That is funny.

  • buybuydandavis||

    The most feminist-friendly way to consume porn is to make sure the performers are getting paid.

    Nothing wrong with open source porn, thou capitalist tool.

    It's not the pay, it's the consent.

    We can argue government granted intellectual monopoly another day.

    The whole article brought to mind turn of the 20th century screeds against prostitution because "why buy the cow when you can just buy the milk"?

    Sex workers want to protect their business model. Hardly surprising. But it is surprising to have Reason conflate voluntary open source porn and "stolen" porn.

  • Ken Shultz||

    You just want to offer unpaid internships to aspiring porn stars!

    Seriously, though, how do OSHA regulations work on a porn shoot?

    What about sexual harassment lawsuits? Can you imagine the courtroom?

    Defendant: "I swear to God, your honor, I didn't know she was the receptionist. I thought she was a fluffer!"

  • buybuydandavis||

    From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs. And I need.

    "porn shoot"

    I saw what you did.

    What I wonder is, if porn films are legal in most jurisdictions, why don't prostitutes just film all their "performances" and gives their Johns the sd card?

    "Star in Your Own Porn Movie!"

  • R. S. Ewell||

    Is it "feminist" to show a woman and a man actually having sex? If it were, a feminist site might be welcome and quite popular. Ninety percent of what is referred to as "porn" is just sodomy pathetically disguised as "sex". Hollywood queers took over the porn industry decades ago. When you consider that 90% of the remaining 10% is just bad, your odds of finding a decent clip of a woman and a man actually having sex is about one in 10,000. The question is, do you have time to scan through 10,000 thumbnails to find the one worth watching? The issue of theft of "content" is laughable when you see that all of the sites steal content from one another. The only people making money in "porn", apart from the queer producers, are the paralegals from the large corporate sites, who are paid well to scour smaller sites and email demands that they remove stolen content.

  • Mock-star||

    "The question is, do you have time to scan through 10,000 thumbnails to find the one worth watching?"

    Only one way to find out!

  • OGREtheTroll||

    CHALLENGE ACCEPTED

  • R. S. Ewell||

    The midgets and chicks with basketball-size fake tits were weird, but at least they got to have sex; buggery is boring.

  • ||

    the (NSFW) site

    Holy hell. How terrible is it that that site gets a NSFW? I don't mean to fault ENB, there is some minor artistic depictions of nudity/genitals that random workplace strangers may take offense to, but nothing that remotely resembles pornography. I mean by that standard, Cosmopolitan magazine shouldn't be discussed in virtually any non-intimate company and the movie Sausage Party is aimed at social degenerates (the moral kind, not the artistic kind). I'm pretty sure I've seen more explicit content in Reason's ad space.

  • JeremyR||

    I'm pretty sure there are feminist porn companies. Girlfriends films for instance. Also very boring.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Sexual relations is only for procreation and intellectual property.

  • Lily Bulero||

  • Microaggressor||

    Once society finally accepts the notion that women like sex (like, really like sex)

    Anyone who's seen a women's magazine already knew this. Feminist imagination clashes with reality once again.

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