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Anti-Virus Pioneer John McAfee Enters Libertarian Party Presidential Race

McAfee talks about his colorful life, why the country needs him, the coming cyberwar, how he has "no trouble getting press" and why, despite supporting public works projects, he was "libertarian before the word."

John McAfee is the 70-year-old founder of the antivirus software firm that bears his name (though he has not been actively involved with it since 1994, and the company was bought by Intel in 2010). He's also a colorful world adventurer who has been candid about his extreme exploits in everything from drug use (and sales) to private home antibiotic-tech experimentation.

He is also seeking the presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party (L.P.), he announced last week via an exclusive story in USA Today. (His edgy life in Belize, which ended when he fled the country under suspicion that he was involved in the shooting death of a neighbor, was chronicled in vivid detail in an epic 2012 Wired magazine profile.)

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While McAfee had been planning since September to launch a presidential run under the rubric of a new "Cyber Party," McAfee says in a phone interview this morning that he changed his mind when he realized getting meaningful ballot access from a standing start like that for a third party is effectively impossible (which is just as the major party forces who write and enforce ballot access laws intend it).

Since McAfee thinks his ideas about government largely match that of the Libertarian Party, and since that party has since its 1972 debut on the national presidential stage managed to win ballot access in the vast majority of states, he decided he'd be better off seeking its nomination. Some Libertarian Party officials had already reached out to him to discuss the possibilities that he might have something to offer the L.P., and the L.P. something to offer him.

McAfee says that he abruptly decided last week, without consulting with his former Cyber Party brethren, to go to USA Today with the scoop that he intends to run as a Libertarian when he knew the fresh party route was a no-go.

McAfee says that running for president is "not something I really want to do, I think I see it as an obligation" to do what he can to straighten out "a country in crisis. I'm 70 years old, I've seen a lot and lived through America's golden age under Dwight Eisenhower—who was not necessarily a good president but the last one that did not want to be president. He had been a general, in an army controlling nukes and battleships. Why did he want to sit in the Oval Office? It was an act of service. I truly believe this country needs" a candidate like him.

When I ask if he always considered his politics libertarian, McAfee corrects me: politics is "procedure and actions required to gain power and hold power in government, and I want to be divorced from that term." But he says his personal beliefs "align 100 percent with the Libertarian Party. Government is too large, welfare is an insidious drain on the soul, on society, and personal freedom is the one thing that keeps us whole as human beings...my view of the world was libertarian before the word" was even in wide use.

But he stresses things he thinks the government must do well that it's not doing well now, such as preparing for the "cyberwarfare" that he knows is coming. That war "is going to be far more devastating than anything in our imagination." For a man who made his fortune in antivirus work, "it's what I know best, and I know for a fact" that cyberwar looms.

While McAfee's fortune was reported to have maxed out as high as $100 million, most of it is gone. He is not, he says, in a position to independently fund his campaign but "I have smart people who I think will solve" any fundraising problems.

He is well aware of the double-edged sword of his fame/notoriety; when I start to say something about his fame and its possible effect on his candidacy, he quickly interjects "the good or bad part"?

But because of his background and character, "it's no secret I have no trouble getting press." He says he will appear on Steve Colbert's show around January 5th, and that "I have access to people" in media that no other L.P. hopeful does.

His campaign website takes on his weird reputation and checkered history directly: 

I am called “not serious”, yet I know of no-one who has lived a more serious life. I have run a multi-billion dollar company, having to make decisions based on cash availability and the existence of real competitors while my government lived in a fantasy world and printed money when they had none to spend. I lived in a Third World Banana Republic, was tortured and had to watch my dog shot in front of my eyes by a soldier trained by the FBI at Quantico using an Ar-15 supplied by the US Government. I hid in the jungles of Central America for weeks while being chased by an army representing a government that I had refused to be extorted by. Please…. tell me what is not serious about this.

His major issues stress more of what you might call the "nice" sides of libertarianism. You know, the aspects calling for government to stop doing things that most decent people consider crummy, from drug laws to non-defensive foreign interventions to TSA busybodyism to immigration laws to FDA regs that keep life-saving medicines from people's hands to privacy-violating surveillance. These are the parts that at least theoretically have some hope of creating possible coalitions with parts of the American left. 

Many libertarians in social networking and website comment threads seem excited by the idea of a character of this much inherent media charisma and interest (even his DUI and weapon arrests, as in Tennessee in August, make national news) hooking up with their party. Some are unconvinced the vibrant outsider is a true-blue Libertarian, pointing to parts of McAfee's current platform that don't match the general Libertarian vision of shrinking government across the board and restricting it to core functions of defense and adjudication, if anything.

McAfee on his website issues page discusses policies that imply expanding government spending, such as, under "education," that "in the case of higher-education, we will work to make education attainable for everyone, regardless of income level or family income level. What’s more, the rampant student loan debt must be checked." 

His "economy" plank also seems unlibertarian when it hypes:

a large-scale public works program. This will focus on a few key areas. Initially, these public works will focus on physical infrastructure: the construction and repair of roads, bridges, highways, airports, etc. These initiatives will be pursued through two different avenues. One, we will fund and staff these initiatives through various federal programs. Second, we will offer states, counties, and cities funds to manage the programs on their own. This initial infrastructure push will provide a, relatively, quick way to stem unemployment.

Further down the road, we plan to introduce an IT infrastructure development program. In short, we will make a large amount of funds available to cities and townships to prompt wholesale implementation of smart grid energy programs.

As we have stated many times over, we see access to broadband as a fundamental human right. 

McAfee is also a vocal supporter of "net neutrality" which most libertarian see as unwarranted government interference in the market's functioning.

McAfee says that he understands these positions might not match Libertarian orthodoxy, but that "we have to be practical in life." He tells me that, say, calling for cutting or eliminating Social Security will go nowhere because "a huge voting bloc" is dependent on it, not to mention "if you say you remove it, the people getting checks won't vote for you and neither will their children and grandchildren" who don't want to be responsible for them again.

He frames the public works program idea in our interview in terms of a solution to unemployment payouts and the welfare state, that giving people useful state jobs is both a better idea and more politically sellable than policies that could be perceived as "throwing people in the street to starve." He thinks the way Libertarians have sold their positions in the past "scares people, and you can't get more than one percent of the vote"—if you don't offer solutions along the lines of public works government hiring, then no version of the Libertarian vision can succeed electorally "and you might as well go home."

Doug Craig is an at-large member of the Libertarian National Committee based in Atlanta who was quoted in the USA Today story for having discussed the L.P. with McAfee. Craig said in a phone interview this morning that while he would likely support the L.P's 2012 candidate Gary Johnson over McAfee, if Johnson ultimately runs again, he thinks McAfee's presence is a good thing in that it will "make it interesting, make our candidates work a little harder."

Craig thinks McAfee may end up more libertarian than he started after all the necessary communication with state and local L.P. folk in the quest for the nomination. (L.P. presidential candidates are selected by a majority vote of delegates at their national convention, which will be in late May in Orlando.) Craig especially hopes that software pioneer can be made to grasp the intellectual fruitfulness of the Party's non-aggression pledge.

Craig tells me he hopes the nascent McAfee campaign ramps up its availability and communication with other party members. Since his name appeared in the USA Today article L.P. folks are "reaching out to me about how to get in touch with him" and he's been passing on emails that he says have not yet resulted in McAfee getting back to Libertarians who want to communicate with him. "He's gotta be easier to get ahold of" for Libertarians if he intends to win over enough of them to win a majority delegate vote in Orlando, Craig thinks.

According to McAfee, Brett Pojunis, chair of the Nevada state L.P. (who is pictured on McAfee's Facebook page today posing with the software pioneer) told McAfee that he was going to abandon his planned support of Johnson for McAfee. (Pojunis had not responded to an emailed request for comment as of time of posting.)

McAfee told me of other meetings planned in the near future with state-level L.P. officials. "This is how I do it [win the nomination]: sit down with people and show who I am. I've seen a lot in 70 years. I've not been sitting on my ass. I've been busy creating and observing and I know what to do. In a couple hours I can convince" people to vote for his nomination, and then his candidacy.

Mike Lorrey, a libertarian activist from New Hampshire, told me today he is contemplating being McAfee's campaign manager in his state, after beginning a dialog with McAfee though his Facebook page. So McAfee is doing at least some outreach and dialog with existing Libertarians.

The Libertarian Party controls one of the highest-value objects in national politics, available for likely the lowest cost: winning the votes of a majority of the delegates the various state L.P.'s send to the national convention (which will be held in Orlando in May 2016), with that majority potentially numbering fewer than 500 people, wins you ballot access for president nearly everywhere, without having to compete in lots of expensive state level campaigning for mass popular votes. It's actually somewhat surprising how few people of public prominence ever really try it.

J.D. Tuccille wrote for Reason about one overkill military-style assault "law enforcement" raid the Belize cops made on McAfee's home there in 2012.

McAfee was telling USA Today earlier this year that he still fears Belize's government might try to nab him, ostensibly for their belief he might be implicated in the death of his former neighbor, Gregory Faull, in 2012. But according to what McAfee said to USA Today, their interest in him is actually because he has "a great deal of information that implicates the government in very heinous crimes and gross corruption." 

This 2013 USA Today interview relates some of his colorful international adventures after leaving Belize, in which he seemed to consider himself more or less on the lam from sinister forces out to harm him, and tells of many book and movie projects involving his colorful life story in the works. In that story Belize's government says that while McAfee remains a "person of interest" in Faull's murder, they do not consider him a "suspect" per se and have no intention of trying to extradite him, though they'd be interested in talking to him if he returned to Belize.

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  • AlmightyJB||

    guuurrrrrate

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    He says he will appear on Steve Colbert's show around January 5th

    No doubt no Paleo. Peanuts will revile him.

  • d3x / dt3||

    You tell 'em, guy!

  • Quincy.||

    Crazy Old Person 2016!

  • straffinrun||

    Going with the ROADZ! to get the LP nomination? Geeeeenius.

  • AlmightyJB||

    GOP has the hair, DNC has the Bern but.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMgGNxyCHsY

  • ||

    GOP has the hair

    Wait... wut? When did the Donald stop winning?

  • AlmightyJB||

    It's still hair right? Just not his.

  • ||

    Yeah, but when you say hair in this context, I'm assuming that it's a desirable trait.

  • AlmightyJB||

    You did see I mentioned Bern?

  • AlmightyJB||

    You did see I mentioned Bern?

  • AlmightyJB||

    GOP has the hair, DNC has the Bern but.....

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMgGNxyCHsY

  • Notorious UGCC||

    So, what will his campaign slogan be?

  • AlmightyJB||

    Old enough to bleed out of their whatever, old enough for me.

  • Quincy.||

    "Belize in me."

  • ||

    I'm your best protection against the Democrat virus!

  • Crusty Juggler||

  • Crusty Juggler||

  • Quincy.||

    Nice.

  • straffinrun||

    Topless summits with Putin. You still wanna go with Hillary and not me?

  • ||

    Well, fuck me, I wondered what happened to that guy. Last time I heard about him he was hiding from the authoritah in Costa Rica because he was a murder suspect.

  • AlmightyJB||

    He's still a person of interest but Belize fucked up the investigation so badly from the start it's pretty much over. They make Barney Fife look like Sherlock Holmes.

  • ||

    Oh, was it Belize? I was thinking Costa Rica.

    He used to post all of the time on some blog and I was reading his posts. It was mostly about his drug experimentations. He's pretty fucking extemely crazy and sort of a megalomaniac, which is ok, I respect his right to experiment on himself, I just hope he really didn't kill someone.

  • AlmightyJB||

    I think he fled to Costa Rica originally

  • ||

    Maybe that's why I'm confused.

  • John||

    The Linertarian Party; out candidate once beat a murder rap.

    I guess that is something

  • kbolino||

  • Notorious UGCC||

    As far as interpersonal, lethal (nomilitary )violence is concerned, the Democrats have Andrew Jackson (killed a man in a duel), Grover Cleveland (personally performed hangings), Adlai Stevenson (shot and killed a teenage girl), and of course Ted Kennedy.

    Can McAfee top that?

  • Notorious UGCC||

  • John||

    Steve son capped a teenage girl? Wow

  • Agammamon||

    Don't forget Obama.

    However - its easy to kill a man.

    Shooting an armed man in the face and then getting the guy to *apologize to you* - that's hardcore.

    GOP FTW!

  • Suicidy||

    Maybe Teddy Kenneddy should have gone with that one.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Yeah, that's the one that freaks me out.

    "Faull, 52, was found dead with a gunshot wound to the back of the head on Sunday in his home near San Pedro Belize, on the Caribbean island of Ambergris Caye, Martinez said.

    Faull was killed after four of 11 dogs belonging to McAfee were fatally poisoned, said Wired Magazine Contributing Editor Joshua Davis, who said he had spent more than 100 hours with McAfee in recent months. Faull had frequently complained about the dogs barking, Davis said.

    "The dogs were poisoned on Friday night, they died very quickly," Davis said. "Sometime between Saturday night and Sunday morning, Mr. Faull was killed."

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/13/.....e-killing/

    I'm just sayin'.

  • Suicidy||

    I'm not seeing a big problem with that kind of retribution. If that's what happened.

  • Ken Shultz||

    It's maybe not what you're looking for in an LP candidate.

    The purpose of the LP candidate is to give us a protest vote--and make us look good in front of the electorate when the media pays attention to him.

    The world already think we're a bunch of kooks. No need to encourage that perception.

    Did you see the post just below this one from the same story at CNN?

  • SusanM||

    No need to encourage that perception.

    Yeah, I think it's actually pretty much a lost cause, there. Even for me, who's been here now for about 8 years, the word "libertarian" evokes images of log cabin-dwelling mailbombers and Trevorfarian stoners who respond to questions about The Road to Serfdom with: "What does he say about weed, dude?" and far-right loonies who think the Trilateral Commission is sifting his trash and bugging his dental work.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Why not all three in one person?

  • SusanM||

    Not impossible.

  • Agammamon||

    Actually, its sort of *exactly* what I'm looking for in a Libertarian candidate - someone who's willing to put his small government bona fides on the line by taking justice into his own hands rather than dispersing responsibility (and guilt) through committee.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Do you not see that the kook is strong with this one?

    If the LP nominates him, I'll be a principled non-voter.

    Did you see my post below?

    Gives a whole new meaning to the term "burying his head in the sand".

  • Cytotoxic||

    Faull was likely acting in 'noise defense'.

  • Artimus||

    You're OK with murder as a response to poisoning dogs?
    On ce again suicidy, I'm confused whether you're a caricature of a right-win nutjob or a geniune right-wing nutjob.

  • Pat (PM)||

    I'm not seeing a big problem with that kind of retribution. If that's what happened.

    Murdering somebody for killing your dog is libertarian as fuuuuuuuck.

  • hezamaru||

    Wouldn't you also just on principle, then, not see a big problem with the kind of retribution that has a person killing some dogs for seriously infringing on his peace of mind and quality of life?

    I mean, if everything happened exactly as believed (which is always a big "if" in vengeance) then it sounds like the lesser crime is killing the dogs to visit retribution on a neglectful or inconsiderate dog owner.

    I mean, if your brand of libertarianism is basically a game of gonzo chess, in which no one has a concept of risk-benefit analysis and everyone just does whatever and willingly accepts the consequences after the fact.... more power to you?

  • Remnant Psyche||

    Yeah, fuck Faull. I'd have done worse to him if he had killed my dogs for the outrageous crime of barking.

  • Cytotoxic||

    I'd have done worse to those dogs if they kept me up with incessant barking. 11 dogs is ridiculous control your animals.

  • F. Christmas Ape, Jr.||

    No one needs eleven dogs.

  • Remnant Psyche||

    Maybe we should outlaw dog pens of a certain size! That would keep the dangerous vocalizations at a minimum.

  • Remnant Psyche||

    Wait a second... then only the criminals would have over 10 dogs!

  • Intn'l House of Badass||

    No one needs a smartass either, and yet here we all are.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    This is a forum for strict intellectual debate. Please take your smartassery elsewhere.

  • Ken Shultz||

    It does depend to some extent on what kind of dogs they were.

    If the guy had eleven poodles, he's unqualified to be the president of anything.

  • lap83||

    Eleven little horrible yappy dogs like chihuahuas? I like dogs but I could understand that driving someone to kill. But then I would also assume the person who owned them was crazy and would probably retaliate

  • Mike Lorrey||

    I'll let PETA know that Christmas ape hates dogs...

  • Artimus||

    Remnant Nutjob -- another kook who favors murder as a legitimate response to poisoning dogs.
    What bunker are you people crawling out from tonight?

  • Remnant Psyche||

    In my defense, I would fully expect to go to jail afterwards!

    Even on Reason, we can't all be unconditional NAP-worshipping robots. But you can, and good for you. Knock off the self-righteous crying. You might rust.

  • lap83||

    They are dogs, not children. Human eye for a dog eye isn't a libertarian principle, it's PETA level psychosis

  • Gary T||

    Couldn't it be that the same unsub that poisoned the dawgs, also kilt Faull?

  • Ken Shultz||

    "McAfee told Davis that, when police visited his home on Sunday, he hid from them."

    "McAfee saw them coming and he dug a hole in the sand and buried himself in the sand, he says, and he put a cardboard box over his head so he could breathe," Davis said. "He said it was extremely uncomfortable, but he believes that the police will kill him if he turns himself in."

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/13/.....e-killing/

    I'm just sayin'.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Are you sure that's not a Monty Python sketch?

  • Ken Shultz||

    No, that may be our protest vote.

    We're gonna vote for him--and tell people they're crazy to vote for Trump?

    Did we lose Gary Johnson's number?

  • Cytotoxic||

    No. If it's down to Hillary vs Trump, we're crazy not to vote for her regardless of who the LP nom is.

  • F. Christmas Ape, Jr.||

    Cytotoxic - here, take a seat. You comfortable? Need anything? No? Good.

    I can see how you might rub some people here the wrong way, but you have been nothing
    but civil and cordial with me in the very few times we've interacted - I don't post a lot - so I'm going to say this as plainly as I can, without rancor.

    Hillary Clinton is no less batshit crazy than Donald Trump.

    That's all I'm gonna say about this. If you favor electing Hillary for the sake of divided government and gridlock, that's fine.

  • Agammamon||

    Exactly.

    And if it comes down to choosing between the two, I'm *not* going to go with the one that has a proven track record of open misconduct in government service, blatant lying, and openly working for disasterous foreign intervention.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Just for the record, if it's Hillary vs. Trump, I was hoping to lodge a protest vote for the LP.

    I can't do that if they nominate a joke.

    If they nominate a joke, I'll just say that the only people who have a right to complain are the people who don't lend any legitimacy to the process, do their patriotic duty, and resist the temptation to vote.

  • Remnant Psyche||

    I submit this might be why many people support Trump--even with a non-Hillary candidate, the Democrat party has of late accused its power and doesn't seem at all repentant--and not because they want a military-patrolled wall between America and Mexico.

    But hell, along that line of thinking: "a military-patrolled wall between America and Mexico," in the minds of many Americans, is at least doing something about illegal immigration across the southern border. Is that better than both political parties ignoring the letter of immigration law because it's politically unpopular? Most Trump supporters probably believe so.

  • Remnant Psyche||

    *abused its power

  • Mike Lorrey||

    Hillary is a pathological liar and a murderer. Trump is just a bombastic showman.

  • Remnant Psyche||

    We hope.

  • Garth Bigelow||

    In a choice of the AntiChrist vs. the Narcissist voting on a 3rd party wackado sends a pretty strong message. Better than not voting would. Reads as anger rather than apathy.

  • Suell||

    Fucking that shite.

  • ||

    Also, his anti-virus software sucks fucking ballz.

  • Sevo||

    "Also, his anti-virus software sucks fucking ballz."

    In that regard, pretty sure it was someone here who mentioned that once you let him in, you'll never get rid of him.
    I damn near had to get a new computer to get rid of it.

  • Suicidy||

    Worst case scenario is you reformat the hard drive and relish the BIOS to factory condition if things are bad enough. Not as bad as it sounds.

  • Garth Bigelow||

    To be fair way back when you could call it 'his' it was pretty good. Not the best, but pretty good.

  • Mike Lorrey||

    Actually it was pretty much the only thing and worked well when he ran the company. Then he sold it to Norton and they ganked it. He's actually put up a funny youtube to educate people how to Uninstall it.

  • Sanjuro Tsubaki||

    He wants to slow America down to a crawl the same way he slowed down your Windows 98 pc.

  • ||

    Only Symantec can challenge for the bloatware crown.

    I've been using AVG free for 10 years. No bloat, no pinch, no stink. Get a pair.

  • GILMORE™||

    AVG angered me many years ago by installing a bunch of taskbar/search bloatware things that took me an hour to remove and never seemed entirely gone. Since then i've rocked Bitdefender and its main virtue seems to be its low-key transparency. Never ever bothers with notifications or updates, and doesn't seem to drag resources except for a short period following startup.

    I used Comodo & Zone-Alarm for a while on an older box and while it was more-configurable and had lots'o tools... it was annoyingly ever-present.

  • ||

    Removing the AVG browser toolbar and safe search thing takes like 30 seconds. That is if you aren't paying attention during install and let it get installed in the first place.

  • GILMORE™||

    This was like 10-12 years ago. Yes, i let it get installed, but the bloatware they rocked at the time was one of those things (not AVG branded) that continuously re-installed itself once it got up in your shit.

    I tried them again a few years later, and saw that they'd gotten less slimy about making it clear what else they were trying to get you to install.. but the first experience with them still rubbed me the wrong way.

  • AlmightyJB||

    I've been using Webroot for the last 6 months probably. Seems to be ok.

  • Suicidy||

    All that kind of faggoty bullshit is what finally drove me to Apple. All my shit is Apple now. I have almost no problems anymore. And the rare headache is usually minor. Costs more, but the time saved with not dealing with all the aforementioned bulkshit and crapware has more than paid for itself.

  • GILMORE™||

    Did you have a 1st generation macbook?

  • Cytotoxic||

    " I have almost no problems anymore."

    You also don't have a real computer, or remotely decent value for money.

  • Timon 19||

    Apple: computers for retards.

  • Cytotoxic||

    I heard AVG went to shit. Avast is pretty good and so is Panda. Lots of great free options.

    Oh I remember when it was Mcafee or Symantec. Not feeling the nostalgia.

  • Sanjuro Tsubaki||

    No need for a pair if you have a Unix machine!

  • AlmightyJB||

    I had not seen this before. Assuming it's legit which it appears to be, looks like he was initially trying to start his own "cyber" party? Some Q&A with him from October

    http://politics.slashdot.org/s.....ential-bid

  • Brian Doherty||

    See paragraphs 3 and 4 of this story.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Missed that. Thanks

  • Suell||

    The guy is a character, I will give him that, I enjoyed the Wired piece immensely and wish his campaign well.

    In other news, Lemmy has crossed the Jordan. I was convinced his steady diet of speed and whisky would have kept him going till well past 70. At least we still have Lou Reed.

  • ||

    What the fuck are you saying? Lemmy is dead? Everyone play Ace of Spades at full volume and enjoy a moment of silence.

  • Suell||

    He was a force of nature that will not be replicated. I believe he was performing up until very recently.

  • ||

    There's truly no justice in this world. Lemmy is dead and Hillary lives.

  • Suell||

    She will outlast us all.

  • ||

    Her fossilized corpse will roam the halls of the Whitehouse like a Gaddafi wax horror museum sculpture.

  • Zunalter||

  • AlmightyJB||

    That sucks

  • Sevo||

    Nice take on the roaming seal, Suell; at least the damn thing wouldn't end up causing a death when someone plows into him after dark tonight.

  • Suell||

    Thanks Sev. I have an Icelandic buddy that loves to eat those things. There are certainly enough seals and sea lions around to have a season for them.

  • Ken Shultz||

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

    At his best:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvGpX2A-WAQ

  • AlmightyJB||

    That is just great old school raw rock and roll.

  • ||

    My wife has suddenly decided that she doesn't like the smell of beer. Is there anywhere now someone can pay to have a wife genetically modified?

  • straffinrun||

    She like it when she comes of age.

  • AlmightyJB||

    McAfee would know all about that.

  • straffinrun||

    He is a perv. No question.

  • Notorious UGCC||

    "My wife said I had to choose between her and my beer. I sure will miss her."

    /old joke, somewhat modified

  • ||

    My wife isn't the type to demand things like that. She's also decided that she doesn't like the smell of chicken cooking. I'm sure she's not pregnant, so it's something else.

  • Notorious UGCC||

    I was just making a tasteless and insulting joke, no harm intended.

  • ||

    None taken, bro.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Is it just chicken? Or other meats as well?

  • AlmightyJB||

    Is it just chicken? Or other meats as well?

  • ||

    Only chicken.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Huh, I don;t know. I had suffered a concussion when I was younger and had major smell and taste issues. All meat smelled rank ans many other foods and drinks did not smell good either. I basically ate nothing but potatoes for 3 years. It was the only thing I could stand. Eventually it went away though. Thankfully. I had talked to another person when I was experiencing it and he had said the same thing happened to him and it eventually went away. Doesn't sound like the same issue as your wife though.

  • Cytotoxic||

    I think we can negotiate a fee. It's a shame: your wife is right. Beer is gross.

  • Rhywun||

    That's... nuts. I was just cooking with beer and the smell is (figuratively) intoxicating.

  • SIV||

    Can't be worse than GayJay.

  • ||

    I like Gary, I voted for him. I would probably vote for him again since it's quite obvious that Rand is not getting the nomination and Cruz is a long shot.

  • AlmightyJB||

    I will most likely be voting for him as well. Of course, I've pretty much assumed that was going to happen all along.

  • Cytotoxic||

    I don't think Cruz is that long of a shot. We'll see. GayJay is a self-regarding fool who could have been a real deal as senator and instead chose to waste everyone's time with the party designed to waste the time of libertarians.

  • SIV||

    Spot on

  • JeremyR||

    Finally a candidate that will make people take the Libertarian Party seriously.


    (That's sarcasm, BTW)

  • ||

    Justin Amash would get my vote.

  • John||

    How about Justin Beener? He might be all that is available.

  • ||

    I don't really know who that is, so...

  • Rhywun||

    I can't take all those stupid tatts seriously. Wait, wut?

  • John||

    Or Justin Bieber. Justin Beener is likely already on the LaRaza ticket

  • Suell||

    I'd love to see Amash run as an Elephant in 8 years. He needs a good deal more national exposure first.

  • ||

    Amash and Massie are both great congress critters. Neither of them are the cult of personality that it now takes to win a POTUS race.

  • Cytotoxic||

    I wish he had run instead of Rand.

  • Suell||

    Fuck serious. That has gotten the Libertarian Party absolutely nowhere. The LP could use a guy like this.

  • John||

    Invite Trump to take the nomination after the GOP screws him out of theirs.

  • ||

    Couple small problems is 1. Trump is not a libertarian, and 2. He's probably going to get the GOP nomination.

  • John||

    Like number one matters. Two word; Bob Barr. And I will believe number two when I see it.

  • ||

    At this point, do not underestimate this guy. I stopped doing so after I saw him attacking Hillary with no hesitation and no apologies.

  • John||

    I don't. I just don't underestimate the GOP's ability to fuck someone they don't like.

  • ||

    John, the GOP do not have the power to remove someone who's that dominant in the polls. I don't want Trump to get the GOP nom, but I also don't have much doubt at this point that it could happen.

  • Cytotoxic||

    If the GOP establishment has any sense they will totally screw Trump out of the nomination. Beats the long-term damage that would ensue from a Trump run followed by President Clinton.

  • ||

    Which Clinton are you talking about, weedhopper? You think Hillary is going to run in 2020? This is one thing that Trump is spot on about. She can't even manage to waddle back onto the stage now, let alone in 5 more years.

  • Cytotoxic||

    LOLWUT? If Trump is the GOP nom, Hillary is a lock. End of story.

  • F. Christmas Ape, Jr.||

    Hyp, are you kiddin' me? As long as she can draw breath, or a respirator can do it for her, as long as walkers and artificial hips and Rascals and fish oil pills and prunes and Castor oil are all still available, Hillary will never stop running for president. Ever.

    It's in her will, for cryin' out loud. After she dies, she'll do a whistle-stop tour across America, Weekend at Bernie's style. Besides, what are her hard-core supporters supposed to do after she dies, vote Republican?

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    As long as she can draw breath, or a respirator can do it for her, as long as walkers and artificial hips and Rascals and fish oil pills and prunes and Castor oil are all still available, Hillary will never stop running for president. Ever.

    Just like Reagan.

  • d3x / dt3||

    'Plug, you never fail to disappoint. Go get 'em, you adorable little retard.

  • Quincy.||

    In the age of Trump, only the crazy survive.

  • ||

    Well, Adam Kokesh is less crazy than McAfee and I'm going to guess he's a hell of a lot better public speaker. So let's nominate Kokesh. And for VP, Adam Carolla.

    Adam/Adam 2016, the patriarchy returns

  • Suell||

    We could certainly do worse. They'd have my vote. I like them both.

  • straffinrun||

    Adam/Adam 2016 How do you like them apples?

  • ||

    I'm liking it. One guy who is a hardcore libertarian and another guy who doesn't know what he is politically, but will go along with libertarians 90% of the time? What is not to like?

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Adam/Adam 2016 How do you like them apples?

    Bitch set me up.

  • John||

    How about the mega upload guy? Or Edward Snowden.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Don't forget the Goat Blood guy

  • ||

    Fat Biscuit? No... that's not it. Fat Kim Jong ... no, that's still not it ... damnit!

  • Zunalter||

    Nah, Adam Carolla is only Libertarian-ish when it suits him (generally, when it comes to his taxes). He always complains on his podcast about how we just need to get the smartest people in positions of power and STFU and do what they tell us.

    If I wanted that I could vote for either of the other two big parties.

  • ||

    I never got that from him at all. Granted, I've listened intermittently over the years but he always sounded pretty sane whenever I heard him talk about issues of the day.

  • Remnant Psyche||

    Zunalter is right, unfortunately. Carolla's political rants can be refreshing sometimes for the libertarian-minded, but a libertarian he's not. For example, he's a big apologist for the NSA domestic spying programs. "They don't care about your personal information, grow up" is his attitude.

  • AlmightyJB||

    No. Not really. Dude may talk a good talk and be fun to go party with but he's a terrible candidate. I don't necessarily dislike him but he's a fuckin' train wreck, NTTAWWT but it's not gonna help in an election . Yeah, I know Trump and Bernie are both train wrecks but they're tapping into populist shit Libertarians want nothing to do with. He brings nobody new to the polls. I'm just not seeing it. Maybe I'm missing something.

  • AlmightyJB||

    I'm talking about McAfee

  • ||

    I know. McAfee is certifiably fucking crazy. Anyone who doesn't think so has not read his unhinged internet postings. And again, I am 100% supportive of the guy saying whatever he wants and doing whatever he wants (as long as it doesn't violate the NAP), but I don't want a completely unhinged person having access to nuclear weapons. It's scary enough thinking about Hillary having that power.

  • Sevo||

    "I don't want a completely unhinged person having access to nuclear weapons."

    Especially one blathering on about some hidden warfare that only he can see and it "is going to be far more devastating than anything in our imagination."
    Whoa! You want to poop a nuke where?!

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Then we can dig it!

  • GILMORE™||

    Hmmm.... I don't know..... he's really going to have to make some effort to get his views out there and convince me he's the man for the job.... because there is already such a Comprehensive Buffet of Awesome in the Libertarian Party Presidential Race.

    That said... anyone who collects an array of complex personal legal-problems with Central American governments is probably My Kind of Dude.

  • straffinrun||

    Love to see the lady win. "Let's restore the Waymire Republic".

  • Notorious UGCC||

    Yeah, check out Waymire's resume:

    "Ranch Foreman since December 2010 to Present
    Spiritual Visionary since June 2006 to Present
    Managing Partner in a 24hr convenience store for 10 years
    Senior Administrator for Tax & Accounting firm for 3 years
    Tax Preparation; Individual, Partnership & Corporate for 20 years
    Electronic Assembly/Technician for 15 years
    Music Instructor for 30 years
    Waitress for 3 years
    Ballerina, Costume Design, Choreography for 8 years
    Musician on Piano, Organ & Guitar for 8 years
    Founder, CEO of Non-Profit Organization for 5 years

    "I have also been a Jewelry maker, designer/maker of macramé wall hangings & plant holders, paintings, pottery. Seamstress, custom crocheted items & other misc. projects"

  • Notorious UGCC||

    If she weren't a choicer, I'd be on board.

  • Win Bear||

    Heaven forbid a libertarian candidate for president should leave difficult moral decisions up to individuals!

  • Cytotoxic||

    MUST SAVE ALL THE TISSUE CLUSTERS

  • straffinrun||

    That life gives me a sad.

  • Notorious UGCC||

    At least she keeps busy!

  • Notorious UGCC||

    And Reagan got elected just having his picture taken on a horse. Imagine a candidate who actually runs a ranch - she could out-folksy all the other candidates put together.

  • Notorious UGCC||

    Of course, she may be a bit of an eccentric, but gosh, who isn't?

  • straffinrun||

    eccentric. Um, try complete lunatic.

  • Notorious UGCC||

    You're so quick to judge.

  • Notorious UGCC||

    /sarc

  • Notorious UGCC||

    "A crazy lady for crazy times!"

  • Notorious UGCC||

    ALTERNATE SLOGAN:

    You may be right
    I may be crazy
    But it just may be a lunatic you're looking for
    It's too late to fight
    It's too late to change me
    You may be wrong for all I know
    But you may be right

  • Notorious UGCC||

    *I* just may be

  • straffinrun||

    Only stigmata I believe in.

  • AlmightyJB||

  • ||

    Watchu talking about, Willis?

  • ||

    /wipes tear.

    We used to tease my mother by calling her The Gooch whenever she was being mean.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Why?

  • straffinrun||

    Read.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Ohhhhhhh.......

  • gaoxiaen||

    That looks like a story by Theodore Sturgeon.

  • ||

    Seriously.

    I'm going to have a bowl of cereal after that.

  • John||

    Tishkoff: Look we go way back. I owe you for that thing with the guy in that place and I will never forget it.

    Danny: It was our pleasure

    Rusty: I had never been to Belize.

  • Suell||

    If you have not read the Wired article it is highly recommended. He certainly looks the part.

    http://www.wired.com/images_bl.....60x552.jpg

  • GILMORE™||

  • Crusty Juggler||

  • np||

    Hah, that's awesome. Looks like something right out of Grand Theft Auto.

  • gaoxiaen||

    I see that he's already picked his cabinet. I approve.

  • Quincy.||

    Libertarians, fly the flag of the red convertible!

  • Sevo||

    A rat under the hood, and GET OUTA' MY WAY!

  • Sevo||

    "But he stresses things he thinks the government must do well that it's not doing well now, such as preparing for the "cyberwarfare" that he knows is coming. That war "is going to be far more devastating than anything in our imagination." For a man who made his fortune in antivirus work, "it's what I know best, and I know for a fact" that cyberwar looms."

    This makes me more than a bit nervous; it sounds entirely too much like one more of the "WoX" never-ending tasks for a government.
    I'd sure like to hear what form this 'warfare' would take and what possible harm requires the government to be involved in what will obviously be one of the most opaque endeavors it could possibly pursue.

  • kbolino||

    I'm pretty sure whatever the "solution" is, it involves McAfee making money.

  • Sevo||

    Blow a hunnert mill, you gotta get some back, right?

  • straffinrun||

    As for Lemmy's passing. Here you go.

  • John||

    Damn shame.

  • ||

    Ok, now we see what killed Lemmy. Wasn't the cancer, but what a better way to go?

  • AlmightyJB||

    Good call

  • Sevo||

    OT, but related:

    "Hunger Affects 1 in 6 Americans"
    [...]
    "If another country was doing this to our children, we'd be at war! - Jeff Bridges"
    http://blog.sfgate.com/storyst.....Ap0DAc9ELA

    Now we're not even bothering with "food insecurity"; it's "hunger affects 1 in 6...". Well, no. Hunger affects most all of us, just before dinner, mostly.
    And then we get the appeal to patriotism! Hey, Jeff! Wrap that flag real tight, especially around the throat, please.

  • John||

    Hunger affects me too; I skipped lunch the other day.

  • kbolino||

    In other news, 5 out of 6 Americans apparently excised their digestive systems.

  • Suell||

    I just saw a billboard yesterday for this shite. There has never been so many overweight hungry people in the history of humanity than recent times in these here United States. It must be the food deserts.

  • Sevo||

    Suell would know what this is:
    About a year ago, the Chron printed a map and identified 'food deserts' in SF. One was near the intersection of Division/Potretro/10th.
    Two blocks south is a Safeway. Three blocks SE is a Whole Foods. Two blocks west is the hippy-dippy 'organic' grocery. One block NW is Costco. And there is no residential there anyway, outside of the bums taking up residence on the sidewalk.

  • Suell||

    There is also a Trader Joe's in that particular Food Desert.

  • Sevo||

    You're right. Two blocks NE.

  • Akira||

    The "food desert" concept is hilarious.

    I live in a small Ohio town (about 25k population) and the entire southwest quadrant appears to be a "food desert", despite the fact that this area contains a Kroger, a neighborhood meat market with local produce, and a farmer's market in the summer.

    The entire food desert concept is screwy. If there's a situation where someone is truly unable to obtain a head of lettuce, it's more than likely due to a lack of demand. This concept is just one more excuse for progs to scream "market failure!!" and demand that the government Do Something™.

  • Win Bear||

    That's a "sponsored article", some kind of ad. The link also doesn't seem to be working anymore.

  • Sevo||

    A 'sponsored article' is the oh-so-PC Chron selling ads disguised as 'editorial'. Seriously, there are times half the front page of the print version is turned over to some activist group posing as a news source.
    Hey, it's cheaper than paying writers, especially union members.
    It worked for me just now, but the 'sponsored article' on the home page has changed.
    Try this: http://blog.sfgate.com/storyst.....Ap0DAc9ELA

  • Sevo||

    Oh, and from the link:

    "The problem isn't lack of food. The United States produces more than enough food to feed us all. In fact, as much as 40% of the food we produce goes to waste, either by going bad or by being thrown out, according to the Natural Resources Defense Council."
    ---------------------------------------
    Of course federal regulations on what constitutes 'acceptable' food has no effect on this AT ALL, right?!

    "Main Congresswoman Chellie Pingree introduced a bill to the U.S. Congress Dec. 7, 2015, aimed at reducing the amount of food that is wasted each year in the United States. The Food Recovery Act includes nearly two dozen provisions to reduce food waste across the economy.

    "Forty percent of all food produced in the United States each year is wasted," Pingree said at a press event at the Portland Food Co-Op, Portland Maine. "The Food Recovery Act takes a comprehensive approach to reducing the amount of food that ends up in landfills and at the same time reducing the number of Americans who have a hard time putting food on the table."
    http://www.recyclingtoday.com/.....-bill.aspx

    But, hey, commie-kid, tell us how the FDA made sure all the Chipotle food was safe. I like that story!

  • AlmightyJB||

    Why is Obama purposely starving American children? Is it because he's ISIS?

  • Mike Lorrey||

    1 in 6 americans are on a diet. The rest claim they are but are cheating at Mickey D's

  • Win Bear||

    McAffee is to libertarians what Trump is to Republicans. But while Trump actually has a shot at the general election, translating his notoriety into coverage and votes, McAffee doesn't stand a chance and will simply further cement the idea of libertarians as nutcases in people's minds. Libertarians should nominate someone who generally improves the image of libertarianism, not a nutcase.

  • Notorious UGCC||

    Too bad blue-skin man is dead; he could have been the second person of color to serve as President.

  • Notorious UGCC||

    I mean, white is a color, but...you know what I mean.

  • kbolino||

    Libertarians should nominate someone who generally improves the image of libertarianism, not a nutcase.

    Ah, a unicorn!

    Not that I have any love for the LP, but the Republicans and Democrats have millions of members and thousands of elected officials each, and they don't seem to make much of it, in terms of candidate quality.

  • Win Bear||

    If you don't have to worry about winning, it should be a lot easier to find a clean and principled character.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Unfortunately Rand wants to run as a Republican. I think he does get some Libertarian ideals out there. I think he's a pretty decent candidate if not a bit petulant. Certainly not a nutcase.

  • Hank Phillips||

    But Rand is still a superstitious birth-forcer eager to see women coerced. I suspect the rest is simply bait to see if libertarian window dressing can sufficiently disguise the anti-choice agenda to make it passable.

  • Cytotoxic||

    "while Trump actually has a shot at the general election"

    No he doesn't. He has the same chance of becoming prez as I do.

  • Mike Lorrey||

    Keep telling yourself that. Everyone said the same thing about the little corporal with the stache.

  • Hank Phillips||

    I distinctly recall someone nominating Howard Stern, and McAffee is very reasonable compared to that. The whole point of third-party politics is to use spoiler votes to force the looters to repeal a bunch of bad laws. It nudges the Leviathan over much like a tugboat or ion drive engine, and has been working some 43 years despite the Nixon campaign bribery law. I will hear what he has to say.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Well, he's better than Trump.

  • ||

    You mean Johnson? I agree, he'll get my vote.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    No, McAfee. Or just about anyone, for that matter.

    Making sport of the yokels.

    I'll either vote Johnson or write in Rand.

  • Hank Phillips||

    I held my nose and voted for the LP platform, not gutless whining Johnson. It was the yellow dog effect pure and simple.

  • Cytotoxic||

    More electable too.

  • ||

    Anyone else playing FO4?

  • GILMORE™||

    Finished 2nd playthrough yesterday. tried other factions, explored about 3X as much as the first go-round.

    my opinion hasn't changed since the first run. game needed more quest content. settlement-development has no real game-payoff. repeated radiant quests are the pits.

    thought there was an interesting twist at the end of the BoS questline, re: "what to do about robot-son"? I suspected he was booby-trapped and i'd lose my blimp privileges if i took him on.

  • gaoxiaen||

    What is it?

  • american socialist||

    Uh, no. This election is way too important for libertarianism so I'm voting for ted Cruz. No, really [snicker, snicker, snort, snort] he's a libertarian-leaner-- which apparently is just good enough.

    It's perfect that mcafee is a computer programmer and a libertarian. one quick question: do you have to be a kook, a drug dealer, and a gun nut to be LP presidential nominee or does two-out-of-three count?

  • kbolino||

    I don't know, do you have to be a kook, a drug warrior, and a gun confiscator to be a Democratic Party nominee?

  • Sevo||

    I'd say just being a un-indicted criminal is enough to be front runner, right commie-kid?

  • kbolino||

    Not to mention thief, liar, and wanton violator of national security laws

  • Sevo||

    What do you call someone soliciting contributions from various national governments for the 'family foundation' when you are negotiating with them in your office of Sec. of State?
    Other than 'slimeball', that is...

  • american socialist||

    Shrugs. I don't like her either. Why are you arguing with me?

  • Sevo||

    american socialist|12.28.15 @ 10:19PM|#
    "Shrugs. I don't like her either. Why are you arguing with me?"

    Shrugs. Why are you presuming so? Because you been busted, asshole?

  • american socialist||

    I know. It's important that we vote for gay bashing, immigrant hating, pro-life culture warriors who want to carpet bomb Raqqa so that we can advance liberty.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Who the fuck are you talking about now? Obama 2008 edition?

  • american socialist||

    Obama brought home 150,000 troops from Iraq and cut the military budget by 35%. But, no, I was talking about Ted Cruz-- libertarian standard-bearer.

  • F. Christmas Ape, Jr.||

    Obama brought home 150,000 troops from Iraq and cut the military budget by 35%.

    He also closed Gitmo and lowered the sea levels and healed our racial wounds and let us keep our health care plans if we liked them and totally didn't set out an ultimatum for Bashar Assad and definitely didn't fail to follow through when Assad defied the ultimatum.

    And those are all the good things I can name just off the top of my head!

  • Sevo||

    "cut the military budget by 35%"

    Uh, yeah, read the fucking chart, twit.
    http://www.usgovernmentspendin.....rt_30.html
    What is it you do for a living?
    He'll be here all week, folks...

  • Sevo||

    Oh, well, commie-kid didn't bother to state times, so how about right after Obo took office, 2010:
    "Defense - total $ billion nominal: 847.46"
    Compared to 2015:
    "Defense - total $ billion nominal: 800.74"
    http://www.usgovernmentspendin.....ding_Chart

    Why, look there! A 5% reduction (presuming the numbers haven't been fiddled). Gee, commie-kid, I guess you been busted for one more lie.

  • GILMORE™||

    "Obama brought home 150,000 troops from Iraq"

    You mean, "Obama stood by and watched while Bush's drawdown plans were enacted at exactly the rate planned before he left office"

    "in 2008 George W. Bush signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement. It included a deadline of 31 December 2011, before which "all the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory".[11][12][13] The last U.S. troops left Iraq on 18 December 2011, in accordance with this agreement.[1][11][12]"

    Wow, give the man a Peace Prize.

    He also threw 30,000+ MORE troops into afghanistan and proceeded to ignore their mission for 8 years, letting hundreds die without ever mentioning his policy goals there. Great Leadership indeed.

  • Win Bear||

    Obama brought home 150,000 troops from Iraq and cut the military budget by 35%.

    You get your news from Pravda-West?

  • Hank Phillips||

    There is little to gain debating looters here. Out on their turf it makes sense to engage and bait them to define a term, but only for the sake of the audience.

  • Rational Exhuberance||

    I know. It's important that we vote for gay bashing, immigrant hating, pro-life culture warriors who want to carpet bomb Raqqa so that we can advance liberty

    I can't tell... are you talking about Sanders or Hillary?
  • ||

    You have to be a crook, liar, crony, and sociopath to be either a GOP or Dem nominee, so why shouldn't libertarians have their standards also?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    a kook, a drug dealer, and a gun nut

    Answer this question: What's wrong with being a drug dealer?

  • Sevo||

    Or a 'gun nut'; what does that mean, other than the questioner admitting an agenda?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Well, that was part deux if the cowardly piece of shit ever decided to answer the first question.

  • Sevo||

    "the cowardly piece of shit"

    You're far too kind.

  • american socialist||

    Next to nothing. I might say that I wouldn't necessarily vote for a person who bragged about being a coke dealer. Call me a fuddie-duddie.

  • ||

    That's a good statist authoritarian. Good boy, here's your bone.

  • american socialist||

    If you want to vote for a Libertarian candidate then more power to you. If it comes down to hitlery vs. et. Al. I'll vote Peace and Freedom Party-- because I hate war and militarism.

  • Sevo||

    "because I hate war and militarism."

    This from an asshole who finds Stalin a bit misunderstood.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Next to nothing.

    Bull fucking shit. Let's not pretend that conversational implicature isn't a thing.

    I might say that I wouldn't necessarily vote for a person who bragged about being a coke dealer.

    Again, I ask why?

  • Sevo||

    american socialist|12.28.15 @ 10:26PM|#
    "Call me a fuddie-duddie."

    Asshole hypocrite seems 'way more appropriate.

  • Win Bear||

    You'd be amazed at how much people don't care who you would or wouldn't vote for.

  • Cytotoxic||

    The stuff before Net Neutrality was hard enough to stomach. If the LP nominates an NN advocate then they have embraced their own status of 'useless joke'.

  • kbolino||

    What is it about libertines and thinking the government running certain things is okay if they have the right intentions?

  • Cytotoxic||

    There lifestyle and incoherent political ideas are both products of mental weakness manifesting as poor impulse control and lousy discipline.

  • Calidissident||

    OT: Regarding the Tamir Rice story, this probably got posted at some point when this first came out, but just in case anyone forgot, this was the police's story as to what happened before the video came out:

    "A rookie officer and a 10-15 year veteran pulled into the parking lot and saw a few people sitting underneath a pavilion next to the center. The rookie officer saw a black gun sitting on the table, and he saw the boy pick up the gun and put it in his waistband, Cleveland Police Patrolmen's Association President Jeffrey Follmer said.

    The officer got out of the car and told the boy to put his hands up. The boy reached into his waistband, pulled out the gun and the rookie officer fired two shots, Tomba said."

    http://www.cleveland.com/metro.....oot_6.html

  • ||

    Think about this. When I was a kid, we all had BB guns, pellet guns, and other assorted pretend rifles. In today's USSA, we would have all been shot dead in the streets, by cops. Yet no one I knew ever committed any act of violence against anyone else with these toys.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Yeah, me too. He murdered that kid. Rolled up jumped out of his car and opened fire. He should be in prison right now.

  • ||

    100% agree with that. The problem is that the system is rigged and no jurisdiction is going to let one of their goons get convicted. They're going to make sure of it by stacking the jury with boot licking obedient slaves.

  • AlmightyJB||

    There has to be a line, doesn't there?

  • ||

    I hope so. But we haven't seen it yet. So far, the media are winning by turning the outrage into racial wars.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Yeah they suck

  • Cytotoxic||

    The media and conservative 'entertainment complex' have a symbiotic hate-hate relationshit and this is just one aspect of it. Loathsome.

  • Cytotoxic||

    "Yet no one I knew ever committed any act of violence against anyone else with these toys."

    You grew up in like the back country or something.

    Can anyone comment on whether Hyperion's statement is actually true or just another instance of projecting of his own narrow experience onto the entire country?

  • ||

    So, you're advocating for more police violence? I've lived all over the USA.

    You don't even know the difference of Kentucky and Kansas. You're a moron, no one takes you seriously.

  • Cytotoxic||

    No I'm not dipshit learn to reading comprehension. Instead of getting butthurt over getting called out for talking nonsense you should try learning from it.

  • ||

    What are you even blabbering about? It appears that you're saying that cops were shooting kids down in the streets for the crime of playing with toy guns, except for in some backwoods areas. Two of the areas that I grew up in as a kid were LA and Cincinnati. Are those backwoods? You're the expert, right?

  • Cytotoxic||

    Your previous descriptions of your childhood gave the distinct impression of being rural-centric and not urban-centric.

  • ||

    All of your previous descriptions of everything gives the impression that you're an idiot.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    It is absolutely 100% true.

  • Cytotoxic||

    Police were pretty thuggish back then too I guess they've gotten more panicky.

  • ||

    How do you know, since you weren't born?

    Where did you live in the USA during the 70s and 80s?

  • Cytotoxic||

    I didn't. This may amaze a simpleton such as yourself, but I can learn about things *beyond* my own lived experiences. You should consider this.

  • ||

    Anyone 'can' learn things. It's the fact that you don't that's the issue.

  • AlmightyJB||

    I grew up in the city until I was 10 or 11 and then the suburbs and had BB/Pellet pistols and rifles as well as slingshots and knives. I'm not going to say that some mischief was not had but we did not use them as weapons against people even as a bluff. Our asses would have been flayed if we had. Most kids I knew had them. You had a problem with someone it was fists only.

  • Rhywun||

    I grew up in "inner city" Rochester - my older brothers had BB guns in the 70s but I didn't in the 80s perhaps because I had no interest in it. So sort of true but OTOH I don't recall them taking them to public parks (for example) because that would just be stupid.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    I grew up in "inner city" Rochester

    Another Wegmans plant.

  • Rhywun||

    I wish I had Wegmans where I am now.

  • gaoxiaen||

    A food desert?

  • Wasteland Wanderer||

    You grew up in like the back country or something.

    When I was 9, I got a BB gun for Christmas. I lived right on the edge of town, and there was a large lot of empty land--about a couple hundred acres worth--behind my house, bounded on two sides by town and on the other two sides by Interstate 80 and a highway. I'd go out there to shoot my BB gun.

    Sometime when I was around 11 my twin brother and I were out there shooting our BB guns when a sheriff's deputy drove up to us. He rolled down his window and motioned for us to go over and talk to him. He wanted to be sure we knew not to shoot them at any of the houses or over the Interstate, told us to be safe, and left.

    This was in 1995 or so, and we were holding actual fucking guns that could actually fucking kill someone (though it'd have to be a very unlucky shot).

  • Wasteland Wanderer||

    That should be 1997, not 1995...

  • JeremyR||

    There was an episode of Rescue 911 about a kid playing with a BB Gun and shot another hit right in the heart and almost killed him (would have, if not for the paramedics)

    With that said, I actually remember getting into a BB Gun fight with kids from another neighborhood

  • Gene||

    For years I kept an old Iron Maiden t-shirt with a hole in the arm from a BB, it was from an afternoon long, running battle, between two groups of kids all of whom were armed with pellet or BB guns.

    Good times.

  • gaoxiaen||

    We used to play Army with BB guns and one of my buddies got shot in the eye. That happens when you're pinned down and just have to peek over the log.

  • kbolino||

    the rookie officer fired two shots

    Do they only use active voice after they've fabricated a description of the circumstances?

  • Crusty Juggler||

    I forgot about that. Thank goodness I have bourbon.

  • R C Dean||

    That's right, I'd forgotten that they started off with a blatant lie.

  • ant1sthenes||

    Government is a bloated resource hog that's always two steps behind the latest threats and, in its unthinking zeal for security, is as likely to get in the way of what you want to do as it is to impede criminals who intend you harm. Why do I feel like McAfee should be the voice of the statists, and not the LP?

  • Cytotoxic||

    Israel's government works way better than that. Like Avast.

  • d3x / dt3||

    Did you learn about that last year in 7th grade? What does that have to do with anything?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Agile for president.

  • Sevo||

    He'd be a hell of an addition to the 'debates'.

  • AlmightyJB||

    I would pay good money to see that

  • ||

    He'd fit right in in the Vermont debates.

  • Notorious UGCC||

    Joy Waymire for VP.

    "Conventional politics have failed - we need candidates with different ways of looking at the world."

  • Gene||

    different ways of looking at the world

    Batshit vision?

    Nothing new about that.

  • AlmightyJB||

  • Cytotoxic||

    One little note: grapefruit juice is NOT good with your meds. Down it with OJ or AJ not GJ. Weird side effects happen with a lot of meds.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Begs the question: how many meds are you on?

  • Sevo||

    Dunno, but I'd be interested in finding out which one has the 'huge war boner' side effect. I'd rather avoid it.

  • ||

    Be careful, the war boner comes with a complete ignorance of history and geography.

  • __Warren__||

    But it does come with 100% authentic Kung-Fu Total Throbbing Action.

  • GILMORE™||

    Don't forget vastly inflated impression of own-intelligence.

    Also, i love grapefruit juice. especially in Greyhound form with brunch.

  • GILMORE™||

    ""especially in Greyhound form with brunch.""

    forgot to add.... "That IS my 'meds'"

  • gaoxiaen||

    Are they good or bad side effects? Would appreciate details.

  • Sevo||

    "OT: Eat what you want"

    This was similar to the head on the paper's TV critic's review of an upcoming show, for a guy who 'cut through all the fog regarding food', and then proceeded to introduce his own; Michael Pollan, a 'back-to-nature' luddite.
    And then, in your link, we get:
    " pervasive corporate influence,"
    Not blaming you, but the writer seems to have left out the 'pervasive nanny influence WITH GUNS'.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    I still haven't the foggiest clue why anyone would listen to Pollan concerning nutrition. The man looks like he's wearing a "Steve Jobs In The Last Stages of Terminal Cancer" Halloween costume everyday.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    I looked up photos of him and you are 100% right. That is so funny. He can't be actually healthy.

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    Mexico and Brazil have approved a vaccine for Dengue virus. About 60% effective.

  • Suell||

    I got dengue fever once in Brazil. I am fairly certain I got it on Itaparica island.Three very uncomfortable weeks, but I still manged to teach some classes and go out a couple times. Painful eyeball headaches and very achy bones. You don't want to get dengue twice.

  • Nativist, Racist & Xenophobe||

    These are the parts that at least theoretically have some hope of creating possible coalitions with parts of the American left.

    LOL! Yeah, that'll end well! In other words, they get concessions from you, you get nothing from them, you alienate your natural allies on the right, and then they vote for the real leftist at election time.

    We already have one party of cucks that always acts surprised when Lucy pulls the football, we don't need another.

  • d3x / dt3||

    DON'T TALK ABOUT LUCY

  • Akira||

    This McAfee guy is apparently a dead fucking ringer for Al Swearingen from Deadwood.

  • Remnant Psyche||

    I guess we can assume he, as a "libertarian," doesn't have any love for San Francisco cocksuckers.

  • gaoxiaen||

    If he's as good of a speaker as Swearingen, he has my vote.

  • jdgalt||

    Doesn't the Constitution require that a President "have been fourteen years a Resident within the United States"? McAfee was a resident of Belize in 2012. Sorry.

  • CreativeNameToStandOut||

    They don't have to be 14 years recently. He just has have had lived here for 14 years. Though I thought he have to been a natural born citizen. Isn't he British or something?

  • John C. Randolph||

    Well, McAfee will get more press than Gary Johnson could, but that doesn't make him a reasonable candidate by any stretch of the imagination.

    -jcr

  • Jack Strawb||

    "...how he has "no trouble getting press" and why, despite supporting public works projects, he was "libertarian before the word." "

    Does reason.com really not understand the breadth of the meaning of "libertarian"??

    How lousy a libertarian do you have to be to think it's circumscribed to mean "faux 'free' markets" and chaos capitalism?

  • d3x / dt3||

    Technological singularity has arrived.

  • R C Dean||

    And of course its an idiot proggy.

    "Congress calling the shots"?

  • tkc||

    If the LP wants to cement its reputation for catering to kooks then this is your man.

    This is why I'm a small 'L' libertarian.

  • nicmart||

    Ditto. But the LP lost its libertarian moorings decades ago.

  • croaker||

    He writes and sells shitty software and now wants to be President? Hell, Trump would be better than this jive turkey.

  • toolkien||

    How about we write in Nanov Theoboff?

  • ||

    No thanks. That Belize nonsense was unforgivable. I'll stick with Gary Johnson.

  • Fredrick Douglas||

    Seconded.

  • Derek Balling||

    If this the direction the LP decides (as a whole) it wants to go, "have fun storming the castle", because the only person who could make Trump seem "not-batshit-crazy" would be when comparing him to McAfee.

    There's no version of the "McAfee gets the LP nomination" story that has me sending them any more money. That "party leaders" were "reaching out" -- in and of itself -- raises all sorts of questions for me about who the so-called "leaders" of the party are, and who they are really working for.

  • patskelley||

    There can be only one Yosemite Sam candidate and Trump claimed the moniker first.

  • CreativeNameToStandOut||

    Wasn't he born outside of the US? Birther movement can live on after Obama now.

  • Fredrick Douglas||

    We've already got one ego self-stroker in this race, we don't need another. Fuck off, McAfee. Gary Johnson 2016!

  • RockLibertyWarrior||

    McAfee doesn't sound like a libertarian to me, "public works projects"? "Free college"? Sounds like more like some president from our past that deepened the depression.

  • nicmart||

    If only libertarianism could be spared from the Libertarian Party.

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  • Hank Phillips||

    I kinda like the guy. The NAP took awhile to win me over, mainly because in the 1980s hostile communist and anarchist infiltrators mined it for policies of unilateral surrender and legalize-murder anarchism. But even Austin over at Libertarian Republic is slow to appreciate repeal of the individual income tax. Either candidate, or even a yellow dog, is WAY better than anything in the Dem or GOP menu columns, now that it is finally clear that voting for a platform is what ultimately changes the laws.

  • Sharon Presley||

    If the LP wants to look like the party of lunatics, then go ahead and nominate McAfee. Those of us who live in the San Francisco Bay Area know what apparently Doherty is unaware of or chooses not to mention. McAfee was under suspicion for a murder in Belize, was arrested on a DUI with a weapon, and is generally seen here as a loose cannon who is wacko. Hardly the kind of candidate the LP needs. Here's the SF Chronicle story about him running for pres. There'll be more of the same, I'm sure. http://www.sfchronicle.com/ent.....498550.php

  • Hank Phillips||

    So what are McAfee's positions on abortion? the income tax? the omissions plank? the nonagression principle? strategic defenses against nuclear attack? licensing as cartel-formation for the medical industry and big pharma? The 2014 platform, plank-by-plank?
    His website does not respond and nothing I've seen from him (or here) goes beyond glittering generalities. I know Brian is capable of some very lucid writing from time to time, but this here screed ain't it.

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