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James Holmes Found Guilty on All Counts for 2012 Shooting Spree

Man who opened fire in crowded theater fails with insanity-plea defense.

Aurora, Colorado movie theater shooter James Holmes has been found guilty of first-degree murder for killing 12 people and injuring 70 more in a 2012 spree.

Holmes had entered a plea of not guilty by reason of insanity. Reports the Denver Post:

The attack followed months of planning and preparation. In a notebook he later mailed to his former psychiatrist at the University of Colorado, Holmes described casing the theater before the shooting and strategizing for ways to keep victims from escaping.

Inside the theater he carried three firearms and hundreds of rounds of ammunition, most of it unused, prosecutors said, because his AR-15-style rifle jammed. He wore head-to-toe body armor, an outfit he later told psychiatrists was intended to keep him from getting hurt and also to make him look intimidating.

In writings and in conversations with psychiatrists after the shooting, Holmes said he committed the attack because he wanted to improve his "human capital" — a theory of his own invention that taking another's life would increase the value of his own.

More here.

In 2007, Brian Doherty wrote an in-depth analysis of the insanity defense as the retrial of Andrea Yates, who killed her five of her own children and claimed insanity, played out. Read "You Can't See Why on an fMRI." Here's a snippet:

When legal and psychiatric experts are asked about the insanity defense, they are apt to repeat wearily that it comes up in barely more than 1 percent of criminal cases and succeeds in only a quarter of those. They will also note that a verdict of “not guilty by reason of insanity” doesn’t mean the criminal goes traipsing off scot-free, laughing maniacally to himself. In almost every case the “acquitted” defendant gets locked up, not in a jail but in a mental health facility. He’ll stay there until some authority figure or body (depending on the state, it might be a judge or a board of psychiatric professionals) decides he is no longer a danger to the public. Defendants often spend more time locked up after “getting off” via the insanity defense than they would have if they’d been found guilty.

Despite the rarity of the defense, we talk about it a lot. In part that’s because it makes for particularly colorful moral and legal drama, since it generally arises in cases where the crime seems to be beyond most normal people’s ken. But it’s also because the defense raises deep and eternally controversial questions about compulsion and free will.

Reason on Holmes here.

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  • ||

    Well that picture was certainly big and startling when I refreshed the page

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Semi?

  • ||

    I'm trying to turn this into a joke about John Holmes, but I'm failing.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    People today don't know who Dirk Diggler is, much less John Holmes.

  • Mr Lizard||

    Peter North?

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Peter North?

    One of my personal heros.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Because of his.... vast reservoirs?

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Volume...distance...he had it all!

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    Peter North?

    Old beer can.

  • Suicidy||

    Probably about the same circumference, and able to hold the same amount of fluid.

  • Suicidy||

    The 'head' of North Pole Productions?

  • ||

    Hmm, so I should've included video stills in my post? Just to remind the young-uns?

  • Suicidy||

    Maybe something from his later work, possibly with Ginger Lynn?

  • Suicidy||

    Maybe something from his later work, possibly with Ginger Lynn?

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Mmmmmm, Ginger Lynn.

    Another personal favorite.

  • Suicidy||

    She made a prom comeback some years ago too. Not too bad for some extra miles on the odometer. Definitely a triple input woman.

  • Animal||

    Yeah, but who knows who Duane Dibbley is?

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    BOO!!

  • Zeb||

    It probably doesn't, except to the more bloodthirsty among us. Assuming the death penalty is in play.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    The insanity defense only comes about when there's overwhelming evidence of guilt. It's a hail mary.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    And hopeless with that much evidence of premeditation and planning.

  • Illocust||

    Insanity has nothing to do with premeditation and planning. In the legal definition it means did you actually know what you were doing was wrong. You could have a ten year plan to murder someone with detailed time stamped notes, but if you really thought he was a lizard man out to eat your children you can get the insanity plea. Its about moral culpability

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Or when, you know, they're insane.

  • Acosmist||

    Yeah? So you'd have a client risk being committed when you think you could get an acquittal?

    Interesting. Does your state's disciplinary board know about this strategy of yours?

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    If you have any, do your loved one's know you're pathetic (inferred from your comment)?

    You might want to read about what the insanity defense is, the rationale behind it and how it works.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Are you that desperate to stroke your argument boner?

    This is weak, even for you. Did your dealer cut you off?

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Ah, of course it has to be explained to *you.*

    You see, under the common law, to convict you must find not only that the defendant did the action in question (the actus reus) but also that they had the right mental state (mens rea). Of course the insanity defense is only invoked where the former is conceded. That's like 'duh' to anyone who knows what they are talking about, which of course doesn't include yourself (look at your original comment). You think you're 'cute' but you just don't understand how guilt works in our system.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I'm referring to

    If you have any, do your loved one's [sic] know you're pathetic

  • Certified Public Asshat||

    Bo's not a lawyer, but he played one in a high school play once.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    CPA is, of course, that woman who, when hanging around NASCAR fan men, says "Yeah, I love that Dale Gordon Jr, don't you!"

  • Certified Public Asshat||

    You broke me Bo. Fucking NASCAR?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Too late. It's a meme. Good old NASCAR CPA!!!

  • Certified Public Asshat||

    I haven't been to SC, was that a sick burn he laid on me? Must have been.

    *Picks up NASCAR CPA cross*

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    IDK man. He called me a bad dad, when I'm the best dad on the planet.

    Socially awkward people suck at back and forth.

  • SIV||

    It consistently offers proof positive it doesn't even have a wikipedia and google-level legal education. Our trolls and sockpuppets ain't what they used to be.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Do you realize how tribal you are? So his 'oh, I'm gonna turn you into your state bar!' pathetic comment draws no response, but you're drawn in by mine. Lord, could you be more tribal? I honestly hope you will learn to get some actualization from your actual, non-virtual friends and family one day!

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Tribal? I don't have any interaction with Acosmist at all, and don't know anything about him. You swooped in and tried to sound like a genius, which is par for the course. Emphasis on "tried to sound".

    He made a valid point. You called him pathetic and implied nobody in his personal life loves him.

    You don't see it that way???? Color me shocked.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I'll be your new dealer. 2 for 1, the first argument is free. You know you want it. Just say yes.

  • commodious spittoon||

    You're more fun when you play with Buttplug. And by play, I mean thrash.

  • Acosmist||

    Playa and I seem to know exactly how it works, and at times you seem to actually be agreeing with us, at times not. I'm going to say you're confused and just want to argue, so you don't understand that sometimes you're citing facts that confirm Playa and I are right.

    My loved ones exist, man. I mean, geez. Just because you don't like someone on the internet doesn't mean you have the sympathetic magic power to make their lives match the creepy fantasy world you concocted where they're total losers and you're sitting pretty with your Jewish girlfriend, clerking for Kagan.

  • Suicidy||

    Kagan's descent to the ranks of the Nazgul is a good argument for the repeal of women's suffrage, and the restoration of the notion that women are little more than chattel. It's not that I'm anti feminist, it's just that Kagan is that awful.

  • ||

    Whoa, that frightful punim!

  • Derpetologist||

    The 2nd amendment does not permit people to open fire in a crowded theater.

    Too soon?

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Not bad.

  • Mr Lizard||

    Claw clap.... Well done derp-tolerant mammal

  • ant1sthenes||

    I... can't believe I've never seen that one before.

  • Hugh Akston||

    In before calls for capital punishment.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Grind him up and serve him as Chipotle barbacoa. Nobody will know the difference.

  • Suicidy||

    To be honest. I cant think of a single good reason to keep him alive.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    This is getting really suspicious. THREAT LEVEL RED.

  • SIV||

    Ban neuroscience, or at least all taxpayer funding. It's worse than the Confederate Battle Flag, ISIS and al Qaeda COMBINED.

  • ||

    Yeah! Figuring out how brains work is evil!

  • Derpetologist||

    Looks like your sarcasm detector faulted out...

  • ||

    Maybe I'm mixing him up with another commenter but I thought SIV has said stuff like this seriously before.

  • Derpetologist||

    I think he's making a joke about banning things spree killers like: confederate flags, trench coats, etc.

  • SIV||

    Yes but neuroscience is the pseudoscience of pure evil:

    James Holmes

    Amy Bishop

    The list goes on...

  • AlmightyJB||

    Who needs neuroscience when we have cell phones

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/a.....essed.html

  • EMD||

    Two items isn't really a list, is it?

  • commodious spittoon||

    Not even enough for an Oxford comma.

  • AlmightyJB||

    If you can sort it, it's a list.

  • commodious spittoon||

    I'll sort YOU right out.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    WITH PREJUDICE

  • ||

    Told you Derp!

  • Wizard with a Woodchipper||

    Another reason his plea of "not guilty by reason of insanity" didn't fly was the sheer quantity of victims. My impression is that this type of plea is more successful when the number of victims is quite small. The chances of success for this plea dwindle as the body count rises.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    I'm not sure why that's so important, at least theoretically. If he has a mental defect and doesn't know the nature or wrongness of his actions I'm not sure that has to be time limited.

  • Zeb||

    It's more the question of convincing a jury.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Yes, that's why I said 'theoretically.' Practically I can see the problem. You have to explain to them that we're not talking about momentary insanity but a lasting mental defect.

  • Suicidy||

    Regardless, he still understood the nature and quality of his actions. Being insane isn't enough. He actually has to be truly incompetent.

  • Wizard with a Woodchipper||

    "The jury heard testimony from two state-appointed forensic psychiatrists called by the prosecutors who examined Holmes months and years after the shooting. They found him severely mentally ill yet capable of knowing right from wrong, concluding that he was sane."

    http://denver.cbslocal.com/201.....nd-guilty/

    Although we will need to wait from word from the jurors themselves, I am sure that this testimony of these psychiatrists played a significant role in shaping the verdict of the members of the jury.

  • C. S. P. Schofield||

    My take has always been "Oh, he isn't sane and doesn't know right from wrong. Well, then, locking him up is clearly wrong, because he will never understand what. And if he is ever cured (which no reputable authority says is likely) he would have to carry the weight of what he did while insane. We can't lock him up because it's cruel and we can't let him free because there is no reason to expect he won't do it again. Take him out and put a bullet behind his ear."

    But, as you have probably observed, I'm a crank.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I was getting more and more concerned until the end of it.

  • Zeb||

    The idea of making insanity an aggravating factor rather than a mitigating one is somewhat appealing.

    Or, if you don't trust the state to kill or aren't keen on shooting the mentally ill, how about a third option of guilty and insane.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    I can't agree. If free will is meaningful then we have to recognize that acts that are done in its absence are not culpable.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    So like driving while extremely intoxicated?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    He doesn't want a real argument. Just one where he can feel smart and then run away.

  • ||

    How did the intoxicant get into his body?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Fucking magic, Tulpa.

  • commodious spittoon||

    Just out of curiosity, as a navel-gazing exercise, if a man recovers from a coma with no memory of the atrocity he committed before going under, is he still guilty? Would it be sufficient punishment to induce complete amnesia as a matter of "executing" the offending personality?

  • Hayeksplosives||

    They did that in Babylon 5, calling the sentence the "Death of Personality". One episode centered on that concept was titled "Passing through Gethsemane," in which the (ex?)criminal began to have flashbacks of his previous life.

    I miss that show, even though it was cheesy at times.

  • Suicidy||

    I think Mr. Holmes is best dealt with through the use of a big ass woodchipper. Feet first.

  • SIV||

    Andrea Yates killed five children.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I think we can all sympathize with Yates. Fucking kids.

  • ||

    Five? Slow learner.

  • commodious spittoon||

    Yates was, or the fifth kid?

    Jesus Christ, I think I just made myself feel bad.

  • SIV||

    In 2007, Brian Doherty wrote an in-depth analysis of the insanity defense as the retrial of Andrea Yates

    She's in a minimum security mental hospital and may be released in the future. Bitch should have ridden Ol' Sparky straight to Hell.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Do you have a newsletter we can subscribe to?

  • EMD||

    Lena Dunham will.

  • Suicidy||

    She is a big fatty uggo. How big of a woodchipper is needed to deal with her carcass? Seriously, I believe she is the result of cosmic radiation exposure to leftover blubber from a skinned sperm whale.

  • Juvenile Bluster||

    Good. Can we stop talking about him now?

  • Zeb||

    I stopped talking about him a long time ago.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Except for this one time.

  • Zeb||

    Well, you got me there.

  • straffinrun||

    Yes, considering we now have "Muhammad shoots up Marines in Tennessee" as Drudge's banner.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    It's refreshing that in a world of uncertainty we will always have Drudge.

  • Suicidy||

    Goddamn right it's good to have Dudge Oh how he gives those fucking progies fits.

  • Certified Public Asshat||

    Back to Donald Trump then...

  • Suicidy||

    Trump T. Trump!

  • Derpetologist||

    I'm in favor of bringing back the ship of fools for the criminally insane:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_fools

    It'd make a great reality show.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    In writings and in conversations with psychiatrists after the shooting, Holmes said he committed the attack because he wanted to improve his "human capital" — a theory of his own invention that taking another's life would increase the value of his own.

    Papers said it was a crime of passion but he told me there wasn't any passion to it. Told me that he'd been planning to kill somebody for about as long as he could remember. Said if they turned him out he'd do it again. Said he knew he was going to hell. Be there in about fifteen minutes. I don't know what to make of that. I surely don't.

  • Derpetologist||

    So he thought that Highlander was a documentary. Yep, he's nuts.

  • Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)||

    It was even filmed in real time.

  • Suicidy||

    So he was just after their quickeings? Justifiable then!

  • ||

    So. The alleged shooter was born in Kuwait.

    Do we ban Kuwaiti flags now?

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    If he's ISIL influence he's probably not a fan of Kuwait's regime and it's symbols.

  • Zeb||

    Only if there is a picture on the internet of him looking serious in front of a Kuwaiti flag.

  • straffinrun||

    I'm having a hard time finding a tailor who will make my ISIL themed tux for my 4th wife's wedding. I demand accomodation.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    4th wife's wedding? Can I get some clarification?

  • straffinrun||

    Busted. I have no idea how you should refer to that event. My engrish sux.

  • Zeb||

    Who is marrying whom?

  • straffinrun||

    If a guy has 3 wives already and gets married to one more, what is that?

  • Mrs. Lemuel Struthers||

    Bigamy?

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    "If a guy has 3 wives already and gets married to one more, what is that?"

    Showing off?

  • Suicidy||

    I would go with insanity or stupidity, but then, my masochism only goes so far.

  • Grand Moff Serious Man||

    She's your fourth wife and the event is your fourth wedding.

  • straffinrun||

    "I went to my brother's 4th wedding". Sounds like he's been divorced 3 times.

  • ||

    Maybe his 4th wife is getting remarried? He could be on 6 or 7 by now.

    How'd this one get away?

    A person with this many ex-wives should have dirt floor in his basement.

  • Hamster of Doom||

    A good case for an insanity defense.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Damn you!

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    If a guy has 3 wives already and gets married to one more, what is that?

    The definition of insanity?

  • Mr Lizard||

    4th wife in parallel= 16x the headaches. (Exponential growth)

    4th wife in series= 0 headaches (due to no cerebral function)

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Do we ban Kuwaiti flags now?

    No gay Kuwaiti marriages.

  • SIV||

    The Iraqis should have stole his incubator

  • Mrs. Lemuel Struthers||

    OT: Thanks Obama

    A Kingsport woman told police she was counterfeiting money because she read online that President Barack Obama made a new law allowing her to print her own money, according to a police report.
    Downs was then placed in handcuffs. Downs then reportedly said, "I don't give a ****, all these other bitches get to print money so I can too."
  • Mrs. Lemuel Struthers||

    I admire her can-do attitude if not her skill with print and paper.

    Better luck next time.

  • EMD||

    What skill?

    She got caught.

  • commodious spittoon||

    The secret is brake fluid. So I hear.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I was unaware of this meme until recently.

  • AlmightyJB||

    That milk is racist

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Turnt?

  • Mrs. Lemuel Struthers||

    From Urban Dictionary:

    Like hype for a party, or at the club!
    "Bra, this party about to be turnt!!!"

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    psssshhhh.. Old people and their "Urban Dictionary". Its like not even brah

  • Mrs. Lemuel Struthers||

    Cool story, bro.

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    now you're just butthurt

  • Mrs. Lemuel Struthers||

    And you're just a goddamn showoff.

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    I'm just trying to Make America Great Again

  • AlmightyJB||

    Did Will Smith suffer a serious head injury?

  • straffinrun||

    Was she making $8436 per month on her computer at home? Anonbot finally met his match.

  • Pan Zagloba||

    Movie plot: Krugman bails her out to hear more of her ideas. Together, they solve US economic woes through citizen-organized Keynesian stimulus. She also teaches him to live, while he mentors her as she achieves PhD in economics at Columbia.

  • Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)||

    "BAILS her out"... OK, now, that makes more sense (and, I'm less interested).

  • Careless||

    She went through the trouble to make $5 bills?

  • ||

    The printer ink probably cost that much.

  • bluecanarybythelightswitch||

    That was your mother's money!

    But she gets her money from you!

    And I get my money from grease!

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    She has read about "printing money" from dumbass goldbug infationistas.

  • ||

    If this catches on, will they call it Downs Syndrome?

  • Jesuit Bukkake Bomb||

    How about "weigel syndrome"?

  • Suicidy||

    Can we ha,e her psychosis after her? We can call it 'Downs' Syndrome'.

  • AlmightyJB||

    too bad for him he wasn't a cop

    http://nbc4i.com/2015/07/16/kn.....s-custody/

  • commodious spittoon||

    It wasn’t long before everyone knew something was wrong, because Dehmann was not moving.

    I'm honestly beginning to question whether they can tell right from wrong.

  • ||

    beginning to wonder? What took you so long?

  • commodious spittoon||

    I thought they were assholes, but now I'm wondering whether they're sociopaths.

  • Wasteland Wanderer||

    You must be new here...

  • AlmightyJB||

    I'm not sure they know what Happiness means. Would have thought legal weed and most women with questionable morality would have made the criteria.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    It took me all of 3 seconds to smell the bullshit.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Yeah, it's more like the ten places with the most overpriced houses we need to unload.

  • Zeb||

    Now buy a house in one of those counties.

  • ||

    So, a Kuwaiti shoots and kills members of the military force that liberated his country from Iraqi rape, murder, torture and pillage.

    I wonder what this means?

  • Mrs. Lemuel Struthers||

    I wonder what this means?

    That Islamists are rank fuck sticks?

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Go get 'em boy!

  • Mrs. Lemuel Struthers||

    Fuck off, Bo.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    A dog just can't help but chase certain animals, and a conservative just can't help but chase Islamo-fascists (well, at least since Commies have fallen on hard times).

  • Mrs. Lemuel Struthers||

    Fuck off, Bo.

  • Bo Cara Esq.||

    Sic 'em boy!

  • PapayaSF||

    The oceans of blood spilled by Communists and Islamists indicates to me that conservative concerns about both are well-placed.

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    "a conservative just can't help but chase Islamo-fascists (well, at least since Commies have fallen on hard times)"

    So your argument is that conservatives have the moral sense to oppose communists and Islamists, both of whom, it should be noted, got a lot of support from your friends on the left.

    Your arguments are almost as dumb as Ann Coulter's.

  • ||

    Commies have fallen on hard times?

    You should try reading the news now and then.

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    Remember when Bo wasn't a troll and then we destroyed him emotionally and now he's actually below Shrike when it comes to his ability to hold a coherent conversation?

  • ||

    I only seem to remember BO being a MOAR disguised troll...

    It took a lot longer before the frothing started to bubble.

  • Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)||

    Eh, he made some actual counter-points long ago. There were a few times when his comments made enough sense to get me to check my presumptions.

    Not often, but he didn't used to be all Shreeky-like when he commented.

    Now, it's just, well....look.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Are you sure you aren't misremembering?

    He's always been looking for a staged argument.

  • Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)||

    Why can't it be both???

    Seriously, though, he's always presented a contrarian attitude, but he did make some good points (for me, at least) in the past. As time has passed, he's become more and more strident in his anti-conservative (little "c") screed, which leads to be the asshole we all love to hate.

    I'm not defending his current bullshit, but I do think he made some good points in the past, and wasn't so cunty back then.

  • ant1sthenes||

    Not me, I still hate the fuck out of Commies.

  • Suicidy||

    A condescending comment from an individual with a mediocre mind. How typical of you Bo.

  • Suicidy||

    A condescending comment from an individual with a mediocre mind. How typical of you Bo.

  • Derpetologist||

    ♫ Wouldn't it be nice if you were smarter,
    Then we wouldn't have to talk so long

    And wouldn't it be nice to live together
    In the kind of world where you aren't dumb

    You know its gonna make it that much better
    When we can say "shut up" and staaaaay unbothered....

    Wouldn't it be niiiiiiiiice!

  • AlmightyJB||

    Beach Boys suck

  • PapayaSF||

    Fuck you! They're great.

  • Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)||

    So, are we gonna have this?

  • AlmightyJB||

    That was fun:)

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    The only way you're getting out of that statement is by telling us how old you are.

  • AlmightyJB||

    uhm...I'm God. I'm infinity.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    No, you got it right. Papaya is the one who has to answer for such an outlandish comment.

  • PapayaSF||

  • PapayaSF||

  • PapayaSF||

  • SIV||

    Charles Manson liked it too.

  • C. Anacreon||

    Brian Wilson wrote some of the greatest songs in rock history, and continues to perform and write music despite suffering from schizophrenia, one of those diseases SIV says doesn't exist.

  • Derpetologist||

    The story about the Iraqis throwing premature babies on the ground was bunk. The girl who said that was the daughter of Kuwait's ambassador to the US.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)

    I found a video of 2 US soldiers in 1991 watching Iraqi troops enter Saudi Arabia. One of them utters the immortal words "King Fahd is gonna be pissed."

    https://youtu.be/2e3btmT22ZI?t=2m9s

  • straffinrun||

    When I invade a country the first thing I do is go to the hospital and toss newborns on the ground. Lossens my hamstrings.

  • AlmightyJB||

    If you drink their blood it will help keep your legs from cramping up when your stomping on their mothers.

  • SIV||

    You're supposed to toss the infants skyward and catch them on your bayonet.

  • JeremyR||

    Eh. There were Bosnian refugees here in St. Louis that plotted with ISIL.

    I mean, never mind he stepped in to save them from genocide (and really pissed off the Russians in the process) and gave them homes in the US.

  • ||

    I wonder what that means?

    It is such a puzzler.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Coulter gives a shout out to Reason

    http://humanevents.com/2015/07.....-is-a-lie/

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    "Reason magazine boasts, for example, that El Paso, Texas, has a large Hispanic population and yet El Paso “is among the safest big cities in America.”

    In fact, however, El Paso’s “safe city” ranking is based on an outdated FBI crime index that includes only eight crime categories, excluding such crimes as drunk driving, narcotics offenses and weapons violations. When the FBI’s more complete crime index is used, El Paso has a higher crime rate than the national average."

    BOOM IN YOUR FACE TRUMP CALLED IT

  • Almanian - TRUMP THIS||

    That bitch - she ALWAYS right!

    I mean Coulter, not Trump.

  • Suicidy||

    Like her or not, she does do her homework. And I love the way she makes the progggies writhe in agony.

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    "drunk driving, narcotics offenses and weapons violations"

    Um...two of these things shouldn't be illegal and they're all relatively minor crimes. El Paso has one of the lowest murder rates in the country, but some people there do drugs so everyone panic, that place is scary!

  • AlmightyJB||

    yeah, I was thinking the same thing when I read that.

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    Her argument is amazingly stupid. The 'eight crime categories' she's talking about are the most serious crimes - theft, breaking and entering, assault, rape, murder, etc. So she's arguing that El Paso has a bunch of minor crimes but very few serious crimes - which it seems to me is perfectly fine. There are a lot of pickpockets in Barcelona, but that's better than there being shitloads of murderers.

    Either way, El Paso's low murder rate is evidence against the OMG MEXICANS demagogues in the GOP and El Paso having lots of petty crime but no serious crime is actually evidence against broken windows policing.

    Coulter might want to reconsider the argument. I do think it's fun that she's now reduced to writing for Human Events because no one else will touch her.

  • commodious spittoon||

    They can't even rape and murder as well as natural-born Americans. See? Trump warned us they're not sending their best.

  • Certified Public Asshat||

    The reason crime has plummeted around the nation in the last few decades is aggressive policing, increased prison sentences and the expansion of concealed carry permits. (All policies currently being jettisoned by liberals.)

    Just thinking outloud here, if we made fewer things illegal, could we drop the crime rate even more?

  • Almanian - TRUMP THIS||

    No fair! That's like not counting people who stopped looking for work and saying the unemployment rate dropped!

    /TEAM RED

  • straffinrun||

    No fair! How else could we nickel and dime citizens to fund our bloated public service sector!

    /TEAM BLUE

  • Inigo "Chip" DuBois||

    Aggressive policing? Longer sentences? How the hell does anybody mistake libertarians for conservatives?

  • Derpetologist||

    Don't know how much attention this got when it happened: American killed fighting against ISIS

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-.....-him-syria

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    From Radley Balko's list of anti-libertarian articles at Alternet and Salon, I found this gem about how libertarians are like rapists because we both believe we're free to do what we want like start a business or rape people.

    The entire article has nothing to do with libertarianism. It literally consists of him saying "Look at what a sexist asshole Dominique Strauss Kahn is, isn't that kind of like how libertarians don't like taxes?"

  • Hamster of Doom||

    We tour the wild countryside, raping and pillaging in the name of Rose Wilder Lane. If by "raping and pillaging" you mean "Mexicans, ass sex and weed", and I do.

  • AlmightyJB||

    It must be nice to never have to use any logic in your arguments and still get paid for spouting them. She never actually made a point.

  • ||

    Isn't Dominique Strauss-kahn a fucking pinko? So Salon is calling one of their own a super asshole and an example of how bad libertarianism is?

    I think someone around here is fond of pointing out the breathtaking projection of the left.

  • LynchPin1477||

    Dominique Gaston André Strauss-Kahn is a French economist, lawyer, politician, and member of the French Socialist Party

    Via Wikipedia.

    A search for the word "free" on that page turns up one hit...in the banner, where it says "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia"

  • ant1sthenes||

    We're like rapists, because we think as many aspects of life as possible should be completely consensual. Shit, if the socialists/progs/liberals/progs/socialists can play the rebranding game, we should do it too. Fuck "libertarian". We're all Consensualists now. What, you think The Man should be able to do things to, for example, women without their consent? Oh, I see.

  • In League with the Dark Ones||

    Any relation to H. H. Holmes?

  • Chippy Chippie Ĝang Bang||

    He was a serious proponent of open boarders.

  • Chippy Chippie Ĝang Bang||

    Why are we talking about this guy or Trump or GMOs or whatever when Brad Pitt and Ryan Gosling are criticizing COSTCO!

    OMG! We need to only talk about and obsess over this!

  • AlmightyJB||

    To be fair Ryan's mom is a goose so those chickens are like his cousins.

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    BOOM and that's all she wrote. Shut the bitch down.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Nice handle btw

  • Chippy Chippie Ĝang Bang||

    Thanks!

  • AlmightyJB||

    Meh, they wrote personal letters expressing concern for animals. I'm cool with that. Better than just tweeting Costo sucks hashtag something retarded like most celebs would have done.

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    #Costosuckshashtagsomethingretarded

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    If you don't like Costco, you're probably definitely evil.

  • Chippy Chippie Ĝang Bang||

    Costco is amazing. If only the stores were bigger. And I want more options at the food court. In one issue of the magazine they listed things served in the food courts of foreign Costcos and Goddamn I wanted some of those things.

    The also run net 270 terms on their invoices so they soak up three to eight months extra interest (over what other places can get away with) on the non-them revenue they take in. Which makes them kind of bank. I love that business model.

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    I get orphans in packs of 12 there.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    USDA Choice or better.

  • Suicidy||

    Drinking the blood of orphans grants infernal powers and unnaturally extends one's life and vigor. So economy packs are the best way to go.

  • EMD||

    They are exercising their inalienable rights, including freedom of speech.

    Personally, I'd love it if we didn't cage chickens because it looks like a terrible existence, even to a chicken.

  • ||

    You don't hear them squawking about it.

  • straffinrun||

    Chinese girls bullying a girl for not getting along with others. There is a metaphor here, but I'm having a hard time finding it.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDzEPR0cwoA

  • AlmightyJB||

    That's what she gets for not baking that Mao Tse-Tung wedding cake.

  • straffinrun||

    China doesn't have a history of behaving like this. Yur Krazy.

  • EMD||

    Maybe she's a small-L libertarian?

  • AlmightyJB||

    nope. she wasn't carrying.

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    Radley Balko's libertarian list is a fucking treasure trove of idiocy.

    The Walking Dead: An Anti-libertarian critique.

    "Like so many apocalypse tales, the AMC series offers a grim counterpoint to every argument against state power"

    Yes - clearly the state is absolutely necessary to protect us from a zombie apocalypse.

    "All of these events are the slow stripping away of the vestiges of the state, deriving step by step the hell that waits at the logical end of the libertarian impulse, a counterpoint to every argument against state power. From a certain perspective, the state is our greatest invention, for all the horrors it has wrought when wielded darkly. It is the sine qua non of everything else we normally consider to be the triumphs of civilization. Writing, electricity, science, art. None of it is more than dust in the wind without the state to jealously guard it, without a hand shielding the guttering flame from the maelstrom."

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    Unless you're literally an anarchist, most libertarians don't want to literally eliminate the concept of the state. And it's a fictional show. If your argument is 'this fictional show proves your politics wrong!' then you should get a new argument.

  • Chippy Chippie Ĝang Bang||

    It's shit like this why I've stopped engaging with these people. There's simply no point. It's like trying to convince your crazy aunt that the Moon is real and not a picture "They" hung in the sky.

  • Suicidy||

    Strip away the entire state? I would jizz for a month straight if they could jut dial the govern,emt back to somewhere near constitutional limits. It would Los be nice if we got back to respecting things like the fourth amendment.

  • Irish ♥s ESB||

    YES! We have an ESB siting!

    Libertarians’ ethical gap: Why their alliance with Christians is based on contempt

    She claims the Christian coalition won the Civil Right's Struggle! Who the fuck does she think was running the Jim Crow South, Buddhists? Yes, the black preachers were unsurprisingly instrumental, but white Christians were much less helpful to black civil rights than irreligious young people were.

    "And on values issues, Christian values voters may find libertarians even chillier company. The Libertarian Party states on its website that it is for the legalization of prostitution, a principle that should doubtlessly unsettle members of the Christian right who are otherwise comfortable with its “pro-business” platform. After all, the state need not force individuals to participate in prostitution to nonetheless legitimize and increase engagement in the practice, and if family-oriented conservatives are concerned about the message sent by the legality of abortion, then they should be equally troubled by the prospect of legalized prostitution."

    If you are so against prostitution that you think it's better that the woman be thrown in a cage and beaten by cops, you're not in any sense ethical, Christian or otherwise.

  • SIV||

    white Christians were much less helpful to black civil rights than irreligious young people were

    WTF does this even mean?

  • Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)||

    Yeah...I was with him right up until that part.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I can't support this stalker behavior. Just ask her out.

  • AlmightyJB||

    What is she like 12?

  • Trouser-Pod (The blowhard)||

    Well, if she were a dog, we could just check her teeth...

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Won't work. One of them is dead. Can't count the rings.

  • AlmightyJB||

    "When we propose our ideal governments, we’re proposing in part a vision of justice"

    How about leave me the fuck alone?

  • In League with the Dark Ones||

    Who the fuck does she think was running the Jim Crow South, Buddhists?

    Protestants.

  • ||

    Which is to say, not Christians.

  • AlmightyJB||

    "libertarians believe justice is accomplished by the maximization of liberty or freedom in the individual life. This is not the vision of Christianity, as is evinced by the Christian right’s position on abortion: to maximize freedom would be to make sure each woman is free to choose to do what she likes with her fetus, but Christians resist such an arrangement on the grounds that the good should take precedence over neutral liberties."

    I guess that depends on which life your talking about. These are not by necessity mutually exclusive viewpoints. In practice they may end up that way given what most likely would by wrought by government prohibition. But ideologically not necessarily.

  • AlmightyJB||

    I guess Libertarians must really be starting to scare the shit out of the left. Pretending like they give a fuck and have so much respect for the religious right that they don't want them to sully themselves ny throwing their support behind those mangy pagan Libertarians.

  • Frankjasper1||

    The left has to worry about libertarians because they have to justify big gov and control of economy while not being able to use the strawmen of social issues as a distraction

  • Suicidy||

    The left doesn't truly care about anything outside of its relative usefulness as a delivery system for more Marxism. Given the right circumstances, they would re enslave blacks while gleefully referring to them as 'niggers', and castrate and/or crucify homosexuals, if they thought it would deliver their beloved 'worker's paradise' fantasy Maoist/Stalinist dystopia they so crave.

    I'd you don't believe that, look at how easily Obama stepped over the blacks who have become so downtrodden during his reign as supreme Marxist. All to get get illegals voting in thrall to his progressive hegemony. There is nothing progressivekind won't stoop to for another fix of Marxism.

  • LynchPin1477||

    if family-oriented conservatives are concerned about the message sent by the legality of abortion, then they should be equally troubled by the prospect of legalized prostitution

    Unless they're bright enough to recognize that one involves two consenting adults.

  • Wizard with a Woodchipper||

    Another Hillary Clinton bullshit story soon to be debunked:

    “When I was a little girl, I guess I was a teenager by then … and I wanted to be an astronaut, and I wrote to NASA....and I said, ‘What do I have to do to be prepared to be an astronaut?’ And they wrote back and said, ‘Thank you very much, but we’re not taking girls.....’”

    http://www.politico.com/story/.....20244.html

  • Notorious G.K.C.||

    Let's contribute to a fund to send Clinton into space.

  • AlmightyJB||

    I hear Pluto's nice. Minus 300+ degrees? Would match her body temp pretty well.

  • Suicidy||

    Vampires have no need for air, or warmth. Just the blood of the living...........

  • ||

    Millions for propellant, not a penny on consumables!

  • Chippy Chippie Ĝang Bang||

    Send her to Urasshole.

  • EMD||

    "but I really, really do support the space program.”

    Gosh gee willikers I do! I do!

  • Chippy Chippie Ĝang Bang||

    Of course NASA isn't a space program, it's a tax-eating program skinned as a space program.

  • Rich||

    "I never could have qualified anyway"

    Hey, H, don't be so hard on yourself. Anybody who can set up her own private email server probably has a *chance*.

  • Lee G||

    Now that is a tailored story from the mouth of a political consultant if there ever was one.

  • F. Whiny Comments, Jr.||

    And they wrote back and said, ‘Thank you very much, but we’re not taking girls.....’”

    Government? Excluding groups of people? No way. NASA must have been a private organization in those days.

  • AlmightyJB||

    Bad news for Ohio potheads

  • EMD||

    No one asked me.

    Not a pothead, but I support legalization.

  • AlmightyJB||

    AG Mike DeWine will do everything he can to make sure that doesn't happen. I really hate that guy. If I had a woodchipper I would chip some wood with it.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Does he want some cheese with that DeWine?

  • empujador||

    He wore head-to-toe body armor, an outfit he later told psychiatrists was intended to keep him from getting hurt and also to make him look intimidating.

    It also means that an armed audience would not have helped at all, and all the pro-gun bloviating about the theater being a "gun free zone" was completely mistaken.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    RETARD ALERT.

    It's trivially easy to kill somebody wearing body armor.

  • commodious spittoon||

    And beside which, it's a shitty argument against allowing carry. So what if he was? Were they better off unarmed? Should I leave my pistol at home because an assailant might be wearing body armor?

  • Rich||

    Should I leave my pistol at home because an assailant might be wearing body armor?

    Yes!

    /gun-grabber

  • ant1sthenes||

    Yep. You also shouldn't bother with wearing your seatbelt. If you hit a semi carrying gasoline, that shit won't do you any good, and as your mangled body burns alive, trapped in the wreckage, you'll wish you had been thrown out and killed instantly.

  • empujador||

    It's not intended as an argument against carry. It's an argument against turning the shooting into an argument for carry.

  • See Double You||

    And your argument fails.

  • Rich||

    an armed audience would not have helped at all

    Yep, that head-to-toe body armor.is *amazing* stuff.

  • Rich||

    I see P M said it first, and better.

  • commodious spittoon||

    Gotta love when those lead slugs just smack impotently against the vest and fall away, all kinetic energy spent.

  • Rich||

    Indeed. The slugs are so deformed they're practically *sheets*.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    It's like being tickled with a feather.

  • empujador||

    You mean shotgun slugs? I was talking about practical carry.

    If you're referring to pistol bullets as "slugs", well an average pillow fight hit carries more raw KE than a pistol shot.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    No amount of frantic searching on Google is going to keep you from looking like a retard.

    Prove me wrong. Go ahead.

  • Chippy Chippie Ĝang Bang||

    Empendejo would be Agent Smith in this gyf: http://9gag.com/gag/a4Lbjyv

  • empujador||

    Prove me wrong.

    Prove what wrong? That it's possible to kill someone wearing body armor? No shit. Run them over with a dump truck.

    The point is it's much harder to do it with a gun, especially a pistol. It means that the idea that a couple of random gun carrying people in the movie audience could have taken out Mr Holmes before he killed a bunch of people -- already on the borderline of fantasy considering the darkness and smokiness of the theater and Holmes' total advantage of surprise -- becomes even more fantasy.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Head to to isn't literal, dipshit. Just admit that you don't want anyone but cops carrying guns. Just be honest.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • Chippy Chippie Ĝang Bang||

    It's hard out there for a simp.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Tell ya what...you wear the body armor of your choice and let me shoot you with a 9mm at 10 yards. What say?

  • empujador||

    That's the same stupid argument people use to try to defend using 22LR as a defense round.

    No, I don't want to be shot even while wearing body armor. But I'm also not a nutcase who's trying to kill a bunch of people in a movie theater. This guy was OK with going to jail for the rest of his life (a duration which will hopefully be artificially shortened), so his risk/reward analysis is going to be way different from mine.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Please! He'd be on his back, gasping for breath. Certainly not shooting, giving everyone time to get out.

  • empujador||

    Bullshit. Utter bullshit. 500 J of KE (approximate muzzle energy of 9mm) is pillow-fight levels of energy.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Being Shot While Wearing a Bulletproof Vest

    We know that the average law enforcement professional is not wearing a bulletproof vest that can withstand the shots of a rifle. But assuming that the vest worn is rated for the type of handgun and bullet used, 85% of vest wearers will sustain minor or no injuries (according to an Akron police department and Akron General Medical Center study) after being shot in the vest area.

    But that is not to say that it doesn’t hurt.

    Among the accounts from those who have experienced being shot while wearing a bulletproof vest (and lived to talk about it), there is one consistent analogy to describe the feeling: being hit with a baseball bat.

    Of course, the force of the impact is dependent on a number of factors including, but not limited to: the type of vest worn, the caliber of the weapon, the type of ammunition, and the distance from which the person was shot. Assuming again that the vest is in good condition and is rated for the weapon used, the vest should stop the bullet, but not before forcing the wearer backward or even knocking them down and sometimes with feelings similar to getting the “wind knocked out of you.”
  • empujador||

    Again, bullshit. There's absolutely no way a gunshot hit would force an adult human (or probably any human) backward. Not nearly enough momentum in the bullet. Do the fucking math.

    Whoever wrote that has watched too many Hollywood shootouts. (Note that the writer has no particular expertise in these matters, he's just repeating things he's heard)

    A person might react by voluntarily moving backward, away from the negative stimulus, but wouldn't be "forced backward". With a determined crazy person even that is not likely.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    GO TO THE FUCKING LINK AND WATCH THE FUCKING VIDEO, ASSHOLE!

  • empujador||

    Don't have to. I did the math.

  • empujador||

    If this were a thread about some Democrat proposing a body armor ban, you guys would be talking about how crucial it was to self-defense and protection against tyranny blah blah blah.

    But because it's convenient for your side here, you all claim it's useless garbage.

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    Funny how you keep pretending there's no grey area between "invincibility" and "utter uselessness"

    Its almost as though you're intellectually dishonest on top of being lazy and retarded.

    its a notable characteristic of some other trolls here.

  • empujador||

    I never claimed that... Player Manhatin and Histrionic Milano did.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    You, are quite simply a fucking idiot. You claimed:

    It also means that an armed audience would not have helped at all, and all the pro-gun bloviating about the theater being a "gun free zone" was completely mistaken.

    Several shots to the body armor will incapacitate the shooter for a period of time. Not to mention he's still vulnerable to a head shot or other extremities that will put him down without killing him.

    And it IS crucial to self defense. Provided you're not hit in the nugget or neck, you'll likely live. But that's a far fucking cry from claiming a gun in the audience wouldn't have helped at all you mendacious twat.

  • empujador||

    Is this a theater full of Chris Kyle's?

    It's possible to disable a person with several hits or with a headshot, totally. Asking a lot for a bunch of surprised random gun-bearers in a dark, smoky theater.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    It's possible to disable a person with several hits or with a headshot, totally.

    So IOW, you are admitting that this statement:

    It also means that an armed audience would not have helped at all

    Is complete and utter COCK and you retract it as you realize, now, that you are completely full of shit?

  • empujador||

    No. I stand by the statement that there is no way the assembled rabble could have disabled Holmes clad with body armor, even if a few of them had been armed.

    That's leaving aside the question of how many people would have been killed or wounded by friendly fire as every armed person in the theater started shooting at the person they saw shooting. Dark crowded spaces and CCW don't mix.

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    Of course you stand by your 'statement'. You're an idiot.

    anyone with sense is aware that the only thing 100% guarateed is that 'unarmed people can't fight back'

    Armed people can. Your speculation on their 'chances' is pure horseshit. its fun watching you pretend as though you're super-rational, however, with your claims about 'math' and the ft lbs of energy of projectiles. Its all cute window-dressing on top of your gigantic pile of stupid.

    And you still don't even have any proof he was wearing a vest. showing that you have zero actual interest in the facts. If you did, you'd have actually done what I did - go find them.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    Again, you're a fucking idiot on several levels.

    First, ANYONE shooting at him means he needs to deal with the guy shooting back at him, drawing fire away from fleeing customers. He needs to take you out before he can shoot everyone else. And the odds of him hitting me are the same as the odds of me hitting him. If there are multiple customers responding the odds are further improved.

    Second, there are lots of civilians who are extremely proficient with firearms. Not to mention those with military training. A head shot at 15 yards is very doable.

    Third, is it better to die on your knees of fighting back? Certain death or a fighting chance? You are a goddamned fucking pussy.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    It's too late. Tulpa already jizzed all over himself. I don't want any part of the sticky mess.

  • Francisco d'Anconia||

    It also means that an armed audience would not have helped at all, and all the pro-gun bloviating about the theater being a "gun free zone" was completely mistaken.

    Yeah, we'll see if he's still shooting after taking a round in the body armor?

  • commodious spittoon||

    Maybe as punishment he can field test body armor.

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    ""He wore head-to-toe body armor,""

    You are retarded

    http://www.greenvilledragnet.c.....roof-vest/

    He was wearing a tactical vest.

    Like this =

    http://www.amazon.com/BLACK-HA.....B001QGG1QE

    Not only won't it stop bullets, it wouldn't stop a paintball from leaving a mark

    Even if he actually had soft armor or something that would have helped reduce lethal injury, getting shot at by armed people has a unique way of stopping people from casually walking around and murdering cowering women, you fucking tool

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    A tactical vest...

    You know, for .... tactics.

  • AlmightyJB||

    I do tactic and stuff all the time.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Me too. I clean my kitchen as a SWAT mall ninja. Never know when you're gonna need the Windex, so it's good to have it on the belt.

  • Hamster of Doom||

    The Batman approach to life.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Live life. Taste death.

  • bluecanarybythelightswitch||

    Like Final Fantasy Tactics? That game kinda sucked.

  • commodious spittoon||

    Look, if a blanket ban saves just one person the indignity of feeling irrationally unsafe around a gunowner, it's worth any number of women murdered in a crowded theater.

    /empujador

  • empujador||

    That receipt only shows he once bought a tactical vest. It doesn't mean he didn't also have real body armor. According to the courtroom testimony he did have body armor on, as detailed in the article I was quoting.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    nope, still retarded

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    CORRECTION

    He did purchase ballistic protection

    receipts etc. from his purchases submitted as evidence =

    http://extras.denverpost.com/trial/docs.html#

    Doesn't make your primary argument re: "an armed audience not mattering" any less retarded. But the facts are facts. And too often in reporting around anything involving "guns" the media is far too willing to exaggerate to an extreme degree.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Welp, tonight I learned that civilian-grade bulletproof body armor renders one invincible.

    I've seen all I needed to see here. I'm out.

  • empujador||

    tonight I learned that civilian-grade bulletproof body armor renders one invincible.

    There go the goalposts.

  • empujador||

    Are you going to apologize for calling me "retarded" when I was in fact correct and you were wrong?

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    No, as noted =

    Your argument that his wearing soft body armor makes the issue of his victims being unarmed irrelevant remains developmentally-disabled-level stupid.

    additionally, you seemed disinterested in actually proving your point and i had to actually go and find the proof for you. which means you're lazy AND retarded.

    as a complete side note - interestingly (to me at least), there is no actual evidence submitted regarding his owning any core ballistic-vest.

    they highlighted both the receipts of the ancillary stuff (#364 - neck, groin, arms) and had testimony from the vendor who sold it to him.... but nothing flagging any actual ballistic vest. I assume even though he was shithouse crazy he didn't skip it, but its possible.

  • empujador||

    I was expecting you to make excuses. Fact remains you were wrong and I was right, and you insulted me while being wrong. Which makes you look like an asshole. Whether that appearance is correct I will determine based on your response.

    My evidence was right there in the article that I quoted. Your diligence in finding evidence that corrects your own mistakes is not something laudable.

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    Fine, go find proof that he had a kevlar vest and not just the ancillary stuff, and I'll give you a rousing round of applause.

    You'll still be a fucking moron for thinking that armed people are somehow equally defenseless as soon as somone with kevlar walks in the room, but at least you'll have made an effort to prove your point. And effort counts for something.

  • empujador||

    Another goalpost mover! Doesn't that hurt your guys' backs?

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    "Another goalpost mover! '

    Right where i left them =

    ""Even if he actually had soft armor or something that would have helped reduce lethal injury, getting shot at by armed people has a unique way of stopping people from casually walking around and murdering cowering women, you fucking tool""

  • empujador||

    You would think that being thrown in prison for the rest of your life and possibly being put to death in your 20s would stop someone from doing that, too.

    But obviously this dude wasn't operating on a normal person's cost-benefit calculation.

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    Still no vest, huh?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Holy shit Tulpa is such an asshole. CCW in that theater would absolutely have lowered the body count.

  • GILMORE, Haiku Pornographer||

    ""this dude wasn't operating on a normal person's cost-benefit calculation.""

    Actually, despite being crazy as fuck, wearing armor in the first place demonstrates that he retains self-interested concern about 'not getting harmed', and revealed some insecurity

    e.g. ""an outfit he later told psychiatrists was intended to keep him from getting hurt and also to make him look intimidating.""

    You're really not very good at this. Do you sometimes pretend to be a lawyer online? Its a common behavior of extremely stupid people

  • LynchPin1477||

  • LynchPin1477||

  • empujador||

    Holy shit. Good thing his friend had good aim.

    But the guy is prancing around laughing about it after the shot at point blank range.

  • LynchPin1477||

    It takes him some time to recover, but yes, after a few seconds he seems pretty good. Like I said, not sure about the vest or the load.

  • ant1sthenes||

    ""He wore head-to-toe body armor,""

    You are retarded

    Maybe he was wearing an old T51-b. That shit will stop a Bozar.

  • Rich||

    Study: Smart Phones Accurately Detect Depression

    Scientists found that the more time a user spends on their phone, the higher the chance that they might be depressed. The average daily usage for depressed individuals was about 68 minutes. People with no symptoms averaged about 17 minutes.

    Sounds like bullshit to me.

  • commodious spittoon||

    Yeah, how is a smartphone supposed to detect depression? And then how does it convince its owner to use it more?

  • AlmightyJB||

    When you change your ringtone from jazz to blues.

  • Rich||

    When you don't use speed-dial.

  • Rich||

    John McCain Has a Few Things to Say About Donald Trump

    "what he did was he fired up the crazies"

    ", unlike our President, who fired up the spliffs."

  • Palin's Buttplug||

    The Greek island of Lesbos is being overwhelmed by refugees

    http://www.pri.org/stories/201.....d-refugees

  • commodious spittoon||

  • Chippy Chippie Ĝang Bang||

    I'm sure they'll lick this problem.

  • Weigel's Cock Ring||

    The island of Lesbos is the last place the bossman and I will ever go to, given our predilection for men's anuses.

  • Rich||

    Holmes said he committed the attack because he wanted to improve his "human capital" — a theory of his own invention that taking another's life would increase the value of his own.

    Hmm. Maybe he *was* crazy. Everybody knows you have to drink the other person's blood to increase your own value.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

    Everybody knows you have to drink the other person's blood to increase your own value.

    That's the theoretical framework of Traditional Chinese Medicine in a nutshell.

  • Chippy Chippie Ĝang Bang||

    Drink a Chinaman and get a power-up?

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • Chippy Chippie Ĝang Bang||

    You need more Chinky blood if you want the power to post links.

  • Heroic Mulatto||

  • ||

    Drink Powerthirst.

  • Chippy Chippie Ĝang Bang||

    I don't recall if it was here that it was posted but Newegg called out a judge who was taking forever to decide their patent infringement case. Well, they got the decision and they won.

    The judge complained that Newegg could have just called his office to find out what the delay was. I do not find that to be credible since how fast he acted after the story went national. That was no coincidence.

  • ant1sthenes||

  • Sevo||

    And no bureaucrat, judges included, ever makes a choice until they are forced to. No incentive to do otherwise.

  • commodious spittoon||

    From Balko's list:

    7 Libertarian Upstarts Who Might Help Democrats Keep Their U.S. Senate Majority: These beer-swilling, racist, movie junkie, misogynist and plain-jane Libertarians might just help Dems keep the Senate.

  • Sevo||

    For those who offered advice on the new computer (or suggestions top fix the old one), I got an 'all in one' for under $6C, spent the day getting it tidied up, re-loaded, etc. Works, but the keyboard might well get changed.
    Return to find a thread loaded to the gills with Hihn, the asshole Bo, commie-kid, trueman the liar and Jack the lefty twit.
    Can't you guys keep things clean for a day?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    I'm not in charge here. I do my part. When I can.

  • Sevo||

    Well,at least the GMO thread looks OK.
    BTW, the printer tech support suggested Ctrl+Shift+P to print emails and it will probably work on IE. On Firefox, it opens a "You're Browsing Privately" window.

  • Chippy Chippie Ĝang Bang||

    Private Browsing! Obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSlohNBJnFk

  • empujador||

    I do my part. When I can.

    Which appears not to include situations requiring rational thought.

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    Rational thought isn't something you're capable of. You have to go contrarian every single time to compensate for your life failures.

    Did you get the respect you feel you deserve yet? No? Color me shocked.

    Maybe coming back tomorrow with with a new handle will be different... Rational thought suggests it won't.

  • straffinrun||

    Reading the Asahi newspaper and a letter to the editor by a college student goes on to complain that since he was an elem student he's seen 1) the aftermath of the bubble 2) the Iraq war 3) Lehman shock 4) the Great Tohoku Earthquake 4) low birth/aging society. The old generation is telling the young generation to have kids so they can support the old generation. This kid writes that, basically, the old farts can go to hell and why should I love this country when the old farts have screwed them over anyways. I've been reading the Japanese papers for decades and have never seen a letter like that. Has the Ribertarian moment arrived here?

  • Chippy Chippie Ĝang Bang||

    In France would it be the Ribbitarian Moment?

  • straffinrun||

    Are you saying the French are cannibals because they eat frog legs?

  • Sevo||

    Very nicely done.

  • MJGreen - Docile Citizen||

    From what I'm seeing on Twitter, it looks like Gawker just outed the CFO of a competing media company, Condé Nast.

    Video simulation of Gawker operations in Q4.

  • Sevo||

    Uh, "outed" as in 'he's gay'?

  • Plàya Manhattan.||

    See most recent post.

  • onebornfree||

    Anyone who has closely studied the alleged events/crimes that Holmes is accused of understands that the entire episode was nothing more, or less, than a "psyop", a totally orchestrated, faked event, designed specifically to serve the powers that be by manipulating public behavior; essentially no different from the faked Boston Marathon bombings, the faked plane crashes of 9/11. the faked moon landings, etc. etc.

    Regards, onebornfree.
    The Freedom Network www.freedominunfreeworld.blogspot.com

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