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The Lives We Can Save in California

Safe injection facilities and other harm reduction measures are the answer.

Joanna AndreassonJoanna AndreassonIf San Francisco attempts to move forward with establishing supervised injection facilities (SIFs), places where those addicted to drugs can safely shoot up, it will have to do so without the state government's blessing. In early October, Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown vetoed A.B. 186, a bill that would have authorized the city and county to create such facilities.

The sites, found in urban areas around the world but not yet in the United States, allow users to get high under the supervision of people who could help them in the event of an overdose. They also generally offer treatment options and access to social workers. In short, SIFs prioritize harm reduction over deterrence, and a 2014 report looking at 75 different studies found that the sites are successful in reducing the frequency of overdoses without leading to increases in drug use or crime.

San Francisco has an intravenous drug problem of epic proportions. Citizens have been posting videos on social media of users injecting drugs openly in transit stations; according to BuzzFeed, annual complaints about needles and medical waste on public streets jumped from 290 to more than 6,000 over the course of a decade. Civic leaders there had planned to open two SIFs in July, with private funders willing to foot the cost, but concerns remained that the sites' workers—many of them health-care professionals—could be arrested for violating California laws that prohibit knowingly providing a room or building for the storage or use of drugs. Brown's veto makes such prosecutions more likely.

The ostensible reason for rejecting the bill is that California can't protect such a facility from the federal government. Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein recently warned in a New York Times op-ed that the U.S. Department of Justice would sabotage any attempt to open a SIF anywhere in the country. In his veto letter, Brown said it would be "irresponsible" for him to expose local officials and health-care providers to potential federal prosecution.

That's a smokescreen, however. Brown's embrace of science in areas like climate change and renewable energy does not extend to the research on drug use. "Residential, outpatient and case management—all are needed, voluntarily undertaken or coercively imposed by our courts," he wrote. "Enabling illegal and destructive drug use will never work. The community must have the authority and the laws to require compassionate but effective and mandatory treatment. AB 186 is all carrot and no stick."

America's decadeslong drug war shows that the stick does not work, and—barring the kind of brutal state-sanctioned violence committed against drug offenders in Southeast Asia—it never will. Besides, the point of SIFs is to make drug use less deadly, not less prevalent. The sites save lives by preventing overdoses and save money by reducing the costly emergency services that are part and parcel of enforcement and treatment.

Photo Credit: Joanna Andreasson

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  • jdgalt1||

    When Frank Jordan was mayor of SF, he used his emergency powers to legalize needle exchange, which was a success. I see no reason the mayor couldn't also use them for this. What are the feds going to do, arrest a popular mayor and put him on trial? No jury will convict him.

  • Sevo||

    So a mayor simply ignores the law and spends my money as you prefer?
    Fuck off, slaver.

  • Incitatus||

    It would actually be as the voters prefer, and you lost, so your insistence that people who beat you in an election do what you want is the height of hubris.

    So, you fuck off whiny child who lost and can't understand that means you don't get to decide shit bitch.

  • Sevo||

    Incitatus|11.23.18 @ 10:08PM|#
    "It would actually be as the voters prefer, and you lost, so your insistence that people who beat you in an election do what you want is the height of hubris."
    So if 50% +1 decided slavery is just ducky, you're down with that, you fucking scumbag?
    Fuck off, you pathetic excuse for humanity.

  • Incitatus||

    "So if 50% +1 decided slavery is just ducky, you're down with that, you fucking scumbag?"

    Of course not you fucking ignoramus, that would be unconstitutional while this plan isn't. How does such as obvious sifference get by your fucking moron ass?

    Oh yeah, you're a fucking moron.

  • Sevo||

    David Nolan|11.23.18 @ 10:20PM|#
    "One is Constitutional. The other is not."

    Bullshit; neither are.
    And fuck off, Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    "David Nolan|11.23.18 @ 10:20PM|#

    One is Constitutional. The other is not. "

    Yes Hihn you exceptionally stupid fuck, THAT'S WHAT HE SAID

    "Of course not you fucking ignoramus, that would be unconstitutional while this plan isn't. "

    LOLOLOLOO YOU'RE SO FUCKING STUPID YOU CAN'T READ AND ALL YOUR LAME ASS SOCK PUPPETS GET OUTED!!!

    Ahahahhahaa

    Hihm is FUCKING STUPID!!! AHAHAHAH HE CAN'T EVEN READ!!!!

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

  • Sevo||

    ncitatus|11.23.18 @ 10:17PM|#
    "Of course not you fucking ignoramus, that would be unconstitutional while this plan isn't. How does such as obvious sifference get by your fucking moron ass?"
    So just because it is not specifically denied, a fucking imbecile like you is more than happy spend my money on what you want?
    Fuck off, you pathetic excuse for humanity.

  • Incitatus||

    Who said anything about "happy" you fucking moron who doesn't know the difference between constitutional and not?

    Learn to read you flaming retard, it's just what happens when you lose.

    Now stop bitching that you lost and have to eat policies you don't like you crybaby fuck.

  • Sevo||

    Incitatus|11.23.18 @ 10:29PM|#
    'Who said anything about "happy" you fucking moron who doesn't know the difference between constitutional and not?"
    So, you fucking imbecile, should taxpayers take over the grocery business, since it is not 'unconstitutional'?
    Fuck off, you pathetic excuse for humanity.

  • Incitatus||

    They should take over your care since you can't even make a coherent argument you irrelevant old fuck.

    No one ANYWHERE said that things SHOULD BE TAKEN OVER BECAUSE DOING SO IS CONSTITUTIONAL.

    You can't even keep track of what the fuck is going on you're so fucking dumb and senile.

  • Swampy Graham||

    Sevo is an idiot. He obviously didn't think his stupid example through and when it got swatted down he had to fire off a lame ass strawman because he realized how stupid he looked.

    He knows his fucking moron grocery example is a dickhead strawman play, but he's worthless and a moron so he just keeps running his idiot dicksucker no matter how fucking retarded he looks.

  • Incitatus||

    Yes, it takes an especially stupid asshole to think "no Sevo you stupid fuck that is unconstitutional" is the same as "everything not unconstitutional should be done" but that braindead loser Sevo is exactly that stupid asshole.

  • Sanity||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Fuck off Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

  • Sanity||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • Fancylad||

    Piss off, Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    In this thread, I make Hihn sockpuppet David Nolan absolutely lose his shit!

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • Robert||

    What about me? Do I get any shit-love?

  • No Longer Amused||

    But not what Batman would do, and if we're letting fictional characters guide our actions then Batman is the preferred choice.

  • Sevo||

    "Should Jesus fuck off, Sluggo?"
    Ever hear of A-1, you fucking ignoramus?
    Fuck off, Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

  • Sanity||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • No Longer Amused||

    So, you're best response to "hey look, junkies!" is to say "here, have some free needles and smack on the taxpayer's dime."....?

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

  • Sanity||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • DiegoF||

    Is it on the taxpayer's dime? I think that makes a big difference. It doesn't look like it. I can't see a legitimate case for preventing someone from opening their own SIF if they pay for it. And from what I see it may be a good idea empirically! Mises Institute had a slightly more thorough piece.

  • TuIpa||

    Fuck off Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    Fuck off Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

  • Sanity||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • Fancylad||

    Go fuck yourself Hihn

  • TuIpa||

    Fuck off Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    Fuck off Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • Sevo||

    No. It's an artifact of a posting by a stupid shit named Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    Fuck off Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    Fuck off Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Fuck off Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    Fuck off Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • shortviking||

    Why do we need to save the addicts? How about letting them face the consequences of their actions instead?

  • shortviking||

    Answer the question. Why do we need to save the addicts?

  • TuIpa||

    Fuck off Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    Fuck off Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • Sevo||

    shortviking|11.23.18 @ 8:20PM|#
    "Answer the question. Why do we need to save the addicts?
    Pretty sure it's something to do with jebus.

  • StackOfCoins||

    Why does addiction get you a pass to continue bad behavior, but this time in a safe setting paid for by taxpayers?

    IF we're going to spend public money to help addicts (bad idea) then it should be to get them off the sauce/pills/junk, not make it safer to get fucked up.

  • TuIpa||

    Fuck off Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    Fuck off Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • DiegoF||

    Brown's embrace of science in areas like climate change and renewable energy

    This is sarc, right? Don't mean to be insulting but you never can tell with Reason.

  • TuIpa||

    Fuck off Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • Sevo||

    Not a proper government activity, along with the drug war.
    People choose to use drugs? That is their right to do so and to arrange to do so on their own dime.
    Oh, and fuck off, Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    Fuck off Hihn.

  • Sevo||

    David Nolan|11.23.18 @ 10:06PM|# (AKA that fucking ignoramus Hihn)
    "How much do we spend on the drug war?'
    Irrelevant.

    "Why do you defend drug dealers/lords over addicts -- at 2-3 times the cost?"
    Fantasy trying to look like argument.

    "Are you a shareholder in private prisons, profiting on the misery of others (like taxpayers)?"
    More irrelevant bullshit.

    "What would Jesus do?"
    A-1, you fucking ignoramus.


    "Does Hihn ridicule you as well as I do?
    And as often?"
    Oh, and fuck off, Hihn.

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • Jesus||

    Hihn, I would tell you to stop using that David Nolan sockpuppet, the Robert sockpuppet, and the dumb John Galt sockpuppet, live through a greasefire then and fuck off.

  • TuIpa||

    There you go Hihn now you know what Jesus would do.

  • It's obvious||

    Don't forget the Sevo sockpuppet.

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • Sevo||

    So this is supposed to be a libertarian site.
    We have a brand new fucking lefty ignoramus (Incitatus; who is probably a sock), arguing that the government should do this since he likes the idea and it's not ruled out by the constitution; always a good argument for brain-dead lefties.
    And then we have the noted ignoramus Hihn, posting under several transparent socks, claiming we should do this since he thinks a mythical figure would do so.
    I applaud Tulpa for heaping scorn on that scumbag, but enough for me.

  • Incitatus||

    Cry more then continue to prove you don't even understand what I said you old irrelvant fuck.

    God damn aren't you supposed to be an old man? How do you CRY SO MUCH and make a fool of yourself so consistently.

    It takes an especially stupid asshole to think "no Sevo you stupid fuck that is unconstitutional" is the same as "everything not unconstitutional should be done" but that braindead loser Sevo is exactly that stupid asshole.

  • Swampy Graham||

    Yes, Sevo's take is particularly idiotic, and it's funny to watch him shit strawmen everywhere then bitch about people pointing out how stupid and wrong he is.

  • Incitatus||

    It's the childlike whining that Sevo does that really amuses me, the irrelevant fossil who is being chased by old age thinks people should actually give a fuck what his election losing ass thinks.

  • It's obvious||

    The fact that he responds to his Hihn sockpuppets with "fuck off" like it isn't totally obvious that it is him is what amuses me.

  • Incitatus||

    The fact that he comes down here to bitch because I made him look foolish is also enjoyable.

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • Sevo||

    So now we have TWO new lefty fucking ignoramuses?
    How cute!

  • Incitatus||

    See? He lost and made a fool of himself and now resorts to whining.

  • Swampy Graham||

    Yeah, Sevo is pathetic. No one will miss him once he dies soon of old age. All that crying and bitching from him is just embarassing for him.

  • It's obvious||

    At least he stopped using the David Nolan sockpuppet that he has fallen in love with since his Hihn main got banned.

  • Incitatus||

    Meh, Sevo crying like a bitch because he got slapped for being stupid is Sevo crying like a bitch because he got slapped for being stupid no matter what sock he hides behind.

  • Swampy Graham||

    You know Sevo's family has like 9 DNR'S ready to go so they can finally be rid of him.

  • The City of San Francisco||

    I logged in to say we all hate him, but then realized you were talking about an old irrelevant nothing of a man who has spent his life bitching about me while I do what my people actually want and ignore him.

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • Sevo||

    In fact, probably fucking ignoramus Hihn sock#1, #2, #3, #4 and #5.
    Hihn, are you capable of embarrassment, or has your senility taken that from you?

  • It's obvious||

    Are you capable of an original comment, or has being senile made you rip off the comments of people who insupt you you old unoriginal fuck?

    And Fuck off Hihn.

  • Sevo||

    Do you and the rest of the socks all luv jebus? Are you right with god?

  • Incitatus||

    That is more your concern since you're old, irrelevant, and going to die soon of old age.

    Of coursr, you're busy being wrong on the internet and makimg a fool of yourself currently.

  • Sevo||

    "That is more your concern since you're old, irrelevant, and going to die soon of old age.
    Of coursr, you're busy being wrong on the internet and makimg a fool of yourself currently."

    Do you and the rest of the socks all luv jebus? Are you right with god?

  • It's obvious||

    You're slipping into your Hihn sock Sevo.

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • It's obvious||

    Fuck off Sevo.

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • Sevo||

    Hihn (and his socks - who all luv jebus) are thrilled by this:

    "THE BILL WOULD ONLY LEGALIZE PRIVATE ENTITIES TO ESTABLISH THESE CENTERS -- IF AUTHORIZED BY CITIES OR COUNTIES. ….."

    So let me direct your attention to how the government launders taxpayer money to "private" entities:

    "The Worst-Run Big City in the U.S."
    [...]
    "This city is a mecca for people in search of a government handout that they can hand out. According to a 2009 analysis, San Francisco spends around 41 percent of its discretionary budget — about half a billion dollars — on nonprofits, mostly to provide social services for the poor, homeless, elderly, and others.
    [...]
    There are two lessons here. First, many San Francisco nonprofits believe they're entitled to money without having to prove that their programs work. Second, until 2007, the city agreed. Actually, most of the city still agrees. DCYF is the only city department that even attempts to track results. It's the model other departments are told to aspire to."
    https://archives.sfweekly.com/sanfrancisco/
    the-worst-run-big-city-in-the-us/Content?
    oid=2175354&storyPage=2
    Hihn, I'm sure you are stupid enough to fall for that. Not anyone with an IQ above 80 would do so, so you're out of luck.

  • Incitatus||

    Hey stupid old irrelevant fuck, you should know by now after losing so many elections that no one cares what you think. Stop crying like a bitch about spending your whole life being wrong and worthless.

    Now go lay down and die somewhere.

  • Swampy Graham||

    Hey Sevo remember when you mattered?

    No one else does either!!!!

  • Incitatus||

    God Sevo is so old and irrelevant. It must be difficult for him knowing he'll be dead of old age soon and no one will miss him.

    Or care what he thinks. But he's used to that.

  • Sevo||

    :02-:03 to change from sock to sock.
    Hihn, you really should quit embarrassing yourself. If not for you, for your family

  • It's obvious||

    "Sevo|11.24.18 @ 12:10AM|#

    :02-:03 to change from sock to sock.
    Hihn,"

    Stop talking to yourself.

  • It's obvious||

    "Sevo|11.23.18 @ 11:57PM|#

    Hihn (and his socks"

    So you then?

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • It's obvious||

    "David Nolan|11.24.18 @ 12:16AM|#

    You may be as crazy as Sevo"

    You mean you.

    Taking flak. Over target.

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • It's obvious||

    All bold and caps from Hihn/Sevo.

    Definitely Taking flak. Definitely Over target.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Dumbfuck Hihnsano tries to pretend he's not a screeching little bitch.

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • Sevo||

    David Nolan|11.24.18 @ 12:12AM|#
    "Two simple questions have ignited a firestorm among our right-wing goobers ... as I predicted in the second comment here ... because the questions alone expose their bullshit."

    Two bullshit assumptions by a lefty ignoramus, followed by much more pejorative bullshit.
    If you are not embarrassed, you should be.

  • It's obvious||

    "Sevo|11.24.18 @ 12:28AM|#

    David Nolan|11.24.18 @ 12:12AM|#"

    Both Hihn.

  • It's obvious||

    "David Nolan|11.24.18 @ 12:41AM|#

    YOU are more fucked up than Sevo!"

    You mean you.

  • TuIpa||

    Now fuck off Hihn you illiterate fuck ahaahahaha moron you CAN'T READ AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

    "I AM PROUD THAT YOU HATE ME."

    YOU MEAN HIHN? AHAHAHAHHAH YOU STUPID FUCK YOU OUTED YOURSELF AHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Dumbfuck Hihnsano's butt-blasted that no one takes his copypasta seriously.

  • SIV||

    The quality of the comments reflect the quality of the article.

  • Ellis Wyatt||

    Another fascist who's probably crazy enough to think the centers would be taxpayer funded!
    So FUCK TAX PAYERS -- if they were tax-paid, that would save 10 times what's now wasted on the drug war, and put drug dealers out of business.

    Why do you support drug dealers? And higher taxes?
    Must be a Trumptard! Typical fascist.

    Who the hell are YOU, Slick. to control voluntary activities by willing donors?

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Dumbfuck Hihnsano's multiple personality disorder is manifesting itself.

  • Robert||

    My understanding was that the state bill would not provide funds for the SIFs. It would just allow local authorities to establish them. They wouldn't need to be funded even by local taxes, and could be staffed by volunteers. Of course nothing in the bill would preclude tax funding, but you could say that about legalized pot stores, licensed liquor stores, or any business requiring a permit from local gov't, so that's neither here nor there.

  • Ellis Wyatt||

    That's also what Reason reported, on private funding. Reading can be a challenge for some.

    This link will download the final text of the actual bill that Brown vetoed. For those who wish to be informed.

  • Sevo||

    "Of course nothing in the bill would preclude tax funding, but you could say that about legalized pot stores, licensed liquor stores, or any business requiring a permit from local gov't, so that's neither here nor there."

    Those are in no way comparable; they all have customers who bring in the money. The SIFs generate no income at all and if they weren't taxpayer funded at the start, they soon would be.
    People are more than welcome to take whatever drugs they please, on their own dime.

  • Earth Skeptic||

    All drugs should be legal.

    Unlimited supplies of drugs should be free.

    Crematoriums will also be free, located next to the drug centers.

    Gotta be cheaper, with less global violence than we have now.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "San Francisco has an intravenous drug problem of epic proportions. Citizens have been posting videos on social media of users injecting drugs openly in transit stations; according to BuzzFeed, annual complaints about needles and medical waste on public streets jumped from 290 to more than 6,000 over the course of a decade."

    There's a word that's entered the public lexicon by way of substance abuse counseling. The word is "enabler".

    enabler

    : one that enables another to achieve an end especially: one who enables another to persist in self-destructive behavior (such as substance abuse) by providing excuses or by making it possible to avoid the consequences of such behavior

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/enabler

    I might go so far as to suggest that a truly libertarian society is one in which misbehavior is primarily deterred not by criminal law but by free people seeking to avoid negative consequences. If an enabler is someone who shields people from the negative consequences of their misbehavior, then being an enabler probably isn't a libertarian thing to be.

  • Ken Shultz||

    How do San Francisco's heroin addicts manage to pay rent, stay warm, and keep themselves fed?

    I don't see how enabling their misbehavior discourages it, and it seems to me that this is what the government is doing in San Francisco--enabling drug addicts to avoid the negative consequences of their choices. Are there drug counselors anywhere who believe that enabling misbehavior is the solution to drug addiction?

    I suspect the correct answer is "no".

  • Ken Shultz||

    Here's a drug counseling article, "Seven Signs of an Enabler".

    http://www.addictioncenter.com.....n-enabler/

    I'll comment on some of the interesting ones.

    1. Ignoring Shifty Behavior
    2. Resentment of The Addict

    KS: Apparently, enablers tend to blame the addict for their own enabling behavior. If these people weren't addicts, then we wouldn't be forced to provide for them! That's horseshit. Your choice to enable misbehavior is all your own.

    3. Blaming Situations and Others for The Addict's Actions
    4. Lying to Others—Covering Up the Addict's Behavior
    5. Inability To Express Emotions

    KS: I'd love to say how disgusted I am with people acting like irresponsible animals in the streets, but I wouldn't want anyone to think I was intolerant.

    6. Letting Fear Run You
    7. Prioritization

    KS: The problems of the addicts are more important than my own because . . . um . . . I have food, a warm place to sleep, and I'm white. I suspect Americans are especially susceptible to this fallacy because of the influence of Christianity on our culture--regardless of whether the people in question who believe that are self-described Christians. For any honest to goodness Christians out there, I might counter this with references to the second temptation of Christ. When Jesus says, "Tempt not the Lord your God", he isn't telling Satan not to tempt him. He's telling us not to expect God to save us from the consequences of our own bad choices.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    "Brown's embrace of science in areas like climate change and renewable energy "

    Uhm, what? Renewable energy is almost exclusively embraced by people who have no understanding of thermodynamics.

  • Ken Shultz||

    I agree.

    Trumptards don't' understand that you can get more energy out of a system than you put in because they don't understand science and thermodynamics.

    Also, they believe in economics, which is junk science . . . unless it's written by Krugnuts.

  • Sevo||

    I see Hihn has returned to shout at himself all night long. Pathetic.

  • dpbisme||

    Why should I as a taxpayer pay for "places where those addicted to drugs can safely shoot up"?

    If you want socialized medicine move to another country or vote for the Democrats.

    I mean really, we waste to much money on the non-productive as it is.

  • dpbisme||

    I should have added to my other post that if you want to pay for this feel free to donate as I am not against it but having the Taxpayer pay for your "special issue:" is very fascist.

    Pay for the things you want but leave me out of it.

  • Sevo||

    At the risk of disturbing the idiocy:
    Hihn, do you visit here often enough to recognize those who post here regularly? If so, you should recognize some patterns in their posts.
    Further, when you show up, under one of your many socks, and then (amazingly!) other brand-new handles also show up, with others claiming to be 'regulars', arguing with each other, no coments near what the regulars might post, do you somehow not know that we've all got your number? That you've been busted?
    Is it drink? A drug problem? Perhaps just senility? Regardless, you have to accept your posts here do nothing to advance whatever cause you prefer (and it's rarely clear what that is).
    Seek help.

  • Sevo||

    Seek help.

  • Sevo||

    Seek help.

  • aajax||

    Safely shoot up? How do you safely shoot up a drug of unknown potency, especially when it contains something like fentanyl, in variable amounts, with such a narrow window between an effective dose and a deadly.dose. Also, if you think you are going to be saved by naloxone, think again. There is data suggesting naloxone is less effective against fentanyl than heroin or morphine.

  • aajax||

    Safely shoot up? How do you safely shoot up a drug of unknown potency, especially when it contains something like fentanyl, in variable amounts, with such a narrow window between an effective dose and a deadly.dose. Also, if you think you are going to be saved by naloxone, think again. There is data suggesting naloxone is less effective against fentanyl than heroin or morphine.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    You don't. You have someone standing by with a naloxone injection.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    You don't. You have someone standing by with a naloxone injection.

  • Sevo||

    Seek help. And fuck off.

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