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Reason Roundup

Socialists Hijacked My City

Plus: The legality of ICE masks, elder care denial, McKinsey consultants dream of pie, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 6.24.2026 9:35 AM

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You know I'm inclined toward dramatic retellings, but I swear, this is real. The socialists absolutely swept the New York primary races last night. And now you, dear reader, get to laugh at me even harder for ever choosing to live in this ridiculous place we call New York, trading my self-respect for a few slices of pizza with good crust.

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"In the primary for retiring U.S. Rep. Nydia Velázquez's seat, state Assembly Member Claire Valdez beat out Brooklyn Borough President Antonio Reynoso," reports the Associated Press. "Democratic U.S. Rep. Adriano Espaillat lost his bid for reelection to Darializa Avila Chevalier, another [Mayor Zohran] Mamdani-backed democratic socialist. Avila Chevalier hasn't held public office before and once helped organize pro-Palestinian protests at Columbia University." Chevalier's bio touts that she once "helped lead the removal of the Central Park statue of J. Marion Sims, fought for the release of Abdikadir Mohamed after 18 months of ICE detention under Trump's 'Muslim ban,'…[and] helped lead the 2023–24 Columbia encampment" in support of Hamas/Palestinians (depending on who you ask) and in opposition to Israel.

Relatedly, "a third candidate backed by Mamdani, former city comptroller Brad Lander, defeated U.S. Rep. Dan Goldman by running to his political left," adds the A.P. "The race partly revolved around the war in Gaza, with Lander assailing Goldman for not being critical enough of Israel."

One of the wildest components of all of this is the degree to which the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) claims to represent the working class. The actual results complicate that narrative, but DSA types never feel the need to let facts get in the way of a good story:

The DSA are a clownish group for many reasons, but one of the biggest is the almost-cartoonish gap between their constant self-proclamation as a movement of the working-class and the constant reality that their voters are overwhelmingly the complete opposite. pic.twitter.com/V9AH2nqAJz

— Jeb Fain (@JebFain) June 24, 2026

 

Chevalier is sort of standard fare in the category of extremely online, unhinged DSA 32-year-olds. She has, in the recent past, referred to former President Joe Biden as a "rapist" and "war criminal" during the 2020 election, referred to the U.S. as a "fucking disgrace," and described interracial relationships involving white ladies as "fetishizing ugly colonizer women." Now she'll be in Congress, because we apparently have no standards.

Interestingly, all of this might be received rather poorly by Rep. Hakeem Jeffries (D–N.Y.), who represents Brooklyn and aspires to become the next speaker of the House; Jeffries has implored political strategists within his own party to focus on flipping seats, not unseating incumbents. The whole Mamdani/DSA playbook has been about finding solidly blue areas and outflanking from the left, painting the existing guys as parts of the establishment (frequently using "AIPAC"—the American Israel Public Affairs Committee—as a slur). It's an open question as to whether these new radicals in Congress will even support Jeffries in his bid for speaker at all.

And that brings us to the deeper dynamic I'm worried about, once I get past the frustration that these DSA clowns candidates won at all:

This is not a stable coalition. This is a city getting swept up in the Mamdani fever dream; downwardly mobile upper-middle-class elites believing that the DSA pitch is far more persuasive to the average Democrat than it actually is.

Democrats are confused. They have not secured a victory; they have secured a governing challenge, an unstable coalition that doesn't agree on values or policy priorities. At least Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.) has proven herself to be a bit of a pragmatist, willing to heal fractures in the relationship between Sens. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.); showing loyalty to former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi; working with some Republicans when their interests align; and having decent instincts as to when to hold her tongue in criticism of both the far-left flank of her party and Democratic leadership.

We have nothing to indicate that Chevalier or Valdez understand any of this. And we have nothing to indicate they can moderate, even the slightest bit, on Israel, housing policy, defense spending (and spending more broadly), immigration, or enforcement priorities.

"A year ago, it was not the end of a political movement," Mamdani said at a victory party in Brooklyn last night. "It was the beginning." This may be true, but politics and governing are wildly different beasts. Mamdani seems to have cracked the code for what appeals to the DSA 35-year-olds in the Commie Corridor, but he hasn't done much more than that. Beware the hubris. Beware the fall.


Scenes from New York: Enough of this place already!!


QUICK HITS

  • On the topic of AIPAC-as-a-slur: "In the waning days of the campaign, Valdez sought to tie Reynoso to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee—a tactic progressive candidates have long employed to mobilize their base, especially as the public's view of Israel has grown increasingly negative," reports Politico. "AIPAC said it was not involved in this race, and its independent expenditure arm did not appear to spend money on the contest."
  • "Ben McAdams, a former Utah congressman who has sought to shed his reputation as a moderate, won the Democratic primary Tuesday in a redrawn U.S. House district that Democrats are strongly favored to win this fall," reports the Associated Press. "His victory over three progressive candidates disappointed voters who wanted to push the Democratic Party further to the left in a race that illustrated the ideological clash playing out in Democratic primaries across the country this year. "
  • "Though President [Donald] Trump initially endorsed Lt. Gov. Pamela Evette in the Republican primary contest, he also endorsed her opponent, Alan Wilson, South Carolina's attorney general, just days before the primary runoff election," reports The New York Times. Trump's hedging was smart, I guess: Wilson ended up winning, and Trump was able to claim a victory.
  • "The Trump administration sued New York State on Monday over a law that would ban the use of masks by federal immigration agents and was set to go into effect this week," reports The New York Times. "In a 40-page lawsuit, the Department of Justice argued that New York's mask ban, which was signed into law in May by Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Democrat, was unconstitutional and put federal officers at risk. The lawsuit also challenged two other measures enacted by Democrats in Albany as part of the state's budget. One requires all law enforcement officers to display their agency names, as well as their own names or badge numbers. The other prohibits local jails and police forces in New York from entering into certain agreements to assist the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency."
  • Yesterday, the Senate (against all odds!) approved a war powers resolution that would curb Trump's powers to wage war in Iran.
  • China's version of Instagram is set to go IPO.
  • Stephanie Murray debunks some of the perceptions people have about elder care over at The Atlantic:

The piece is rooted in two observations: That many ppl vastly overestimate the amount of eldercare that is outsourced to paid workers these days. And that even those who understand that many older American are heavily reliant on kin often misunderstand *why* that is the case. pic.twitter.com/LJdVeuH8TF

— Stephanie H. Murray (@stephmurrayyyy) June 23, 2026

  • "The $80 Pie Only a Former McKinsey Consultant Could Dream Up" over at Grubstreet is worth your time (the article, that is; not the pie), if you like rubbernecking at the bougie folks in the Hamptons.
  • Interesting:

these are some wild splits on ai usage/sentiment pic.twitter.com/KUAEyiBZhf

— Random Walk (@MosesSternstein) June 23, 2026

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    You know I'm inclined toward dramatic retellings, but I swear, this is real.

    Every one of my letters to Penthouse Forum started this exact way.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      Penthouse had more happy endings than NYC.

    2. mad.casual   2 months ago

      Does every floor of your building have a forum or just the penthouse?

    3. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Youre into rape scenarios? The DSA is.

    4. damikesc   2 months ago

      I'm starting to wonder if Mamdani can, ACTUALLY, kill NYC. I was assured it would not be possible.

      The average IQ of NYC is below the average temperature in January in NYC.

      1. Kungpowderfinger   2 months ago

        The red clowns were able to destroy a country where, as PJ O’Rourke put it, “everyone is an engineer and chess is a spectator sport”.

        NYC should be a snap.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

          Yeah, but the early 20th century commies were men. The current Red Scare is mostly women and beta males.

      2. Zeb   2 months ago

        If only it could be blamed on plain stupidity like that. The problem and great frustration is that things like this do get the support of lots of people with at least above average IQs and not a few very smart people.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    One of the wildest components of all of this is the degree to which the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) claims to represent the working class.

    Who reps the working class more? DSA or Trump? You decide.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      Are we talking the gentile, Ivy-educated working class, or the pickup truck, MMA fans working class?

      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

        Well, it's NYC.

        1. Zeb   2 months ago

          So, minus the pickup truck.

      2. damikesc   2 months ago

        I love how their candidates are multi-racial, but the DSA party itself is whiter than Utah.

    2. Fats of Fury   2 months ago

      Communism is the opiate of the upper middle classes,

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Especially AWFLs and troubled twenty-something children with daddy issues.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Democrats are confused.

    The party stupidly has made its entire platform opposing Trump. This inspiration vacuum is being filled in NYC by commie bullshit. Move or wallow in it.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

      Democrats are confused
      Followup question what is a woman?
      Democrats are now more confused

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        2026 definition: a "woman" is somebody who spends every waking moment opposing Trump.

    2. Juliana Frink   2 months ago

      Democrats are so busy whipping up fear and hate their brain-dead supporters are voting for Communists AND Nazis.

      Meanwhile, their Globalist overlords look on, entirely pleased with themselves. Hate gets things done, and the more irrational the better!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Afraid you are correct. But have to admit that Commies and Nazis in the same tent is a BIG tent.

        1. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 months ago

          Not really, friendship between Nazis and Commies goes back to at least 1939, probably further.

          1. Juliana Frink   2 months ago

            Yeah, Tyrants gonna Tyrant!

        2. DesigNate   2 months ago

          They’re all socialist of one flavor or another.

    3. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      Democrats are following the same path as Labour did. Just communists instead of Muslims.

      Cater to the 5-10% of extremists in pursuit of political power. Make that 5-10% those who are empowered. Literally what happened in Britain with Muslims.

      Labour is now so reliant on that 5% in electoons that they keep doing what Muslims want.

      Also see democrats in Minnesota in regards to Somalians.

      1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

        Communists AND Muslims.

        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

          Fair.

      2. Kungpowderfinger   2 months ago

        It’s took an east coast shit hole electing towel head communists into power to make CA’s political situation look better by comparison.

        It’s only going to get worse after DJT leaves office, ya’ll.

        We all knew Team Blue’s payback would be horrific.

        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

          Sullum will have a dozen articles on why that payback is justified.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

            Reluctantly?

  4. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

    "...trading my self-respect for a few slices of pizza with good crust."

    And that style of pizza is overrated to boot.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

      Agreed. Everyone know Chicago deep dish is far superior

      1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

        Deep dish is a PINO.

        1. Murray Rothtard   2 months ago

          srsly. Outside of a couple places (Pequod's, and the old Burt's [RIP]), deep dish pizza is almost universally recognized as the worst pizza in the city by the locals. It's like the mag mile and navy pier: we leave it out for tourists so we can enjoy the rest of the city in peace.

          1. Ska   2 months ago

            I'm just a tourist, so it's the Loop and Greektown for me.

      2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Detroit style.

        1. Kungpowderfinger   2 months ago

          Is that pizza made with gubmint cheese?

          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            Only in Detroit.

      3. Zeb   2 months ago

        I can't decide if I'm more nostalgic or annoyed about the return of heated debates about whose pizza preferences are the correct ones.

        1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

          Is a hotdog a sandwich?

          1. Zeb   2 months ago

            I don't fucking care. Tell me how you define "sandwich" and I'll tell you if a sausage on a bun fits. "Sandwich" shouldn't require a technical definition.

          2. See.More   2 months ago

            A hotdog is a taco. There. I said it.

            1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

              But a taco is just a Mexican sandwich. Same with tortas and quesadillas.

              1. See.More   2 months ago

                Touché.

              2. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 months ago

                But what is a Cuban? Does anyone know?

                1. Fats of Fury   2 months ago

                  Desi Arnaz.

                2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

                  Great callback.

                3. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

                  Just heard of it. It’s delicious!

            2. Zeb   2 months ago

              What if you fill a taco with hotdogs? And a hot dog is a sausage, which is not a sandwich by any standard. Since we're getting all pedantic here, the question is actually whether a hot dog on a bun is a sandwich. And I still don't care.

              1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 months ago

                I once wrapped some leftover Chinese food in a tortilla.

          3. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 months ago

            Is cereal soup?

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

              For many males, of all ages, cereal is a main course.

      4. Fats of Fury   2 months ago

        Ugh! Deep dish is for tourists and suburbanites. Local eat Tavern Style like Home Run Inn.

        1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 months ago

          The crust should barely be able to hold up the toppings and grease. Better still if you need to use a fork. For that imma hafta give the edge to NY.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    ...the Department of Justice argued that New York's mask ban, which was signed into law in May by Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Democrat, was unconstitutional and put federal officers at risk.

    HOCHUL IS A COVID DENIER.

    1. HorseConch   2 months ago

      She almost certainly ignored the arrows at the supermarket in 2020. She likely genocided dozens of fatties if not hundreds by doing so.

  6. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

    Yesterday, the Senate (against all odds!) approved a war powers resolution that would curb Trump's powers to wage war in Iran.

    Not a moment too soon.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Yesterday, the Senate (against all odds!) approved a war powers resolution that would curb Trump's powers to wage war in Iran.

    Sure, after he already won that war.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 months ago

      Needs to bomb NYC next, and for the same reason.

  8. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    'And now you, dear reader, get to laugh at me even harder for ever choosing to live in this ridiculous place we call New York, trading my self-respect for a few slices of pizza with good crust.'

    Actually, Liz, we laugh (and cringe) as you trade your objectivity for delusions of things that are somehow magically better because "New York City!". Like pizza.

    1. Zeb   2 months ago

      The pizza is pretty good. Not that it's impossible to replicate elsewhere.

    2. Agammamon   2 months ago

      Its funny, the other day in her article she's says people want to live in NYC.

      Except NYC net domestic migration is negative. Its *international* migration (there's yer 'net benefit') is positive - but still not enough to counter the people moving out so its total immigration rate is negative.

      So, no, it doesn't seem like a lot of people want to live there as people who can move elsewhere are.

  9. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    'At least Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.) has proven herself to be a bit of a pragmatist, willing to heal fractures in the relationship between Sens. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.)'

    Um, is that what passes for state-craft these days?

    1. Kungpowderfinger   2 months ago

      Good premise for Human Centipede VI

  10. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    these are some wild splits on ai usage/sentiment

    Whites are losing the Skynet engagement race.

    1. BioBehavioral_View   2 months ago

      https://www.nationonfire.com/white-men/ .

    2. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

      The mind virus is responsible for a good chunk of that. If you are anywhere left of center, it has been determined that the religious dogma of the day is to shun AI.

      The Venn diagram of "retarded lefty who thinks any energy usage will end us due to climate", "retarded lefty who has a useless arts degree" and "people that loathe AI" are not a complete circle, but the overlap is significant

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        AKA theater kids.

    3. NealAppeal   2 months ago

      Is it any surprise that Asians prefer the cheap knock-off version of intelligence based on the work of others?

  11. BioBehavioral_View   2 months ago

    An Ugly Birthday Present

    “Every nation has the government for which it is fit.” -Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821)

    To celebrate the anniversary of the birth of these United States originally based upon individualism and free enterprise via capitalism, a majority of American youth favor destroying that base and replacing it with collectivism and governmental tyranny via socialism. Except in small, homogeneous societies, socialism always fails. Why? Because it contradicts the laws of Nature.

    Excerpt from the novel, Inescapable Consequences:

    Socialism and its bastard-offspring, Communism, both violate the natural principles described by behavioral scientists. Unlike Communism, the rest of socialism may not require overt, political dictatorship, but, ultimately, it leads to an economic one.”
    “Because, according to you, all forms of socialism ignore the basic law of behavior, the Law of Effect ... B = f(x) under ‘c’?”
    “That’s it. Socialists offer attractive antecedents in the form of slogans, songs, and sales appeal. They invidiously seduce people into putting the cart before the horse ... into putting their political behavior under the control of those antecedents while ignoring the Law of Effect. Excepting unusual and limited circumstances ....”
    “Such as?”
    “Such as small, homogeneous societies. Excepting unusual and limited circumstances, socialists fail to deliver the critical variable.”
    “Consequences, Uncle?”
    “Consequences in the form of positive control ....”

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 months ago

      It fails in small homogenous societies, too. See Plymouth Colony, and Nernie Sanders Commune.
      It works at the Family level

  12. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    'Scenes from New York: Enough of this place already!!'

    Ready to try the other 99.999% of America?

    1. Idaho-Bob   2 months ago

      This is where I am. Who in the fuck chooses to live in NYC?

      1. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

        By Nick Gillespie, people who crave excitement in the place they live. In other words, people with adult ADHD.

        1. Ajsloss   2 months ago

          people who crave excitement in the place they live

          Would love to see the commies try to take over Las Vegas.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

            And bring back the original Vegas mobsters to fight them off.

      2. Zeb   2 months ago

        I'm with you as far as my own preferences go. But most people do live in urban areas and more probably wonder why the fuck anyone chooses to live in Idaho or rural NH.

        1. Idaho-Bob   2 months ago

          I can understand people not wanting to live rural. Self-reliance can be a real mother fucker at times.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

            Not to mention oppressive and systemically unfair.

            1. Idaho-Bob   2 months ago

              Explains why so few POC's live rural.

              1. Zeb   2 months ago

                If you ignore the South.

    2. Zeb   2 months ago

      As I pointed out the other day, NYC is like ~3% of America population-wise, or over 5% if you count the whole metro area.
      I have no interest in being there, and they are fucked politically, but I don't think it's for no reason or "because they're stupid" that lots of people do actually want to live there. Liz should definitely move, though. Time to move on from the 20-something hipster life.

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        To be fair, given the NYC demo, only about 1.5% of citizens.

        NYC is what happens when you import cultures thst dont agree with the initial culture of a place and allow them to take over.

      2. Agammamon   2 months ago

        Net migration for NYC is negative.

        Whatever reasons people had for wanting to live there are gone and people are coming to that realization and leaving.

        As I wrote on her last post, the majority of the people who live there, do so because they're in a welfare trap - they have to start all over again with none of the benefits of stabilized rent and welfare payments.

        NYC with the Social Democrats running it will be stratified into the uber-rich living in a walled-off Billionaire's Row and the rest of the city a slum.

        1. Zeb   2 months ago

          I'm not sure that is a completely valid conclusion based on that bit of data. But I'm not sure it's not either. The political "leaders" do seem set on fucking it up for everyone, so maybe it is past the tipping point where you can say people want to live there. But I'm also always cautious about making sweeping generalizations for millions of people. Seems more likely that some people want to live there, some don't and some can't practically leave for the reasons you state.

          1. Agammamon   2 months ago

            Most on NYC's influx is from foreigners. So people coming from shitholes, yes, current NYC is great.

            The people with resources and foresight? A lot more of them are leaving than the foreigners coming in.

            So the way I see it you will have a large mass of 'asylum seekers' and a small elite that can afford to insulate themselves from them. Everyone in the middle that can afford to leave will. First a trickle and then a flood.

  13. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    'One of the wildest components of all of this is the degree to which the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) claims to represent the working class.'

    I guess we could count limousine liberals and Neiman Marxists as working class. I mean, managing household staffs is SUCH a chore.

    1. HorseConch   2 months ago

      Don't forget about the most working class job of them all, oyster farming.

  14. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    'China's version of Instagram is set to go IPO.'

    What exactly is a Communist stock market?

    And how long before we get one in NYC?

  15. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    Americans are in denial about eldercare?

    Meh. Americans are in greater denial about growing up than about growing old.

  16. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

    Yesterday, the Senate (against all odds!) approved a war powers resolution that would curb Trump's powers to wage war in Iran.

    Doesn't this have to pass by 2/3 to override a veto? Why would Trump sign a bill that limits himself?

  17. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Inferior judicial court supremacy continues.

    ICE can no longer arrst immigrants at immigration courts (even with final order of removal/finds of criminal record) despite falling under the same law as immigration courts in the INA. Make it makr sense.

    https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-biden-appointed-judge-blocks-ice-from-making-arrests-at-immigration-courts

    Junk food and candy is a god given right and cant be removed from SNAP.

    Judge calls it a violation of APA and waivers illegal. Wonder if the judge will apply this to Medicare and medicaid state waivers.

    https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5935279-judge-blocks-soda-snap-ban/

    Meanwhile in non inferior courts....

    Yes you can quickly deport illegals.

    https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/federal-appeals-court-allows-trump-admin-resume-expedited-deportations

    1. DesigNate   2 months ago

      Fuck all these lower judges.

  18. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Of course she was. Woman who went viral for dumping Knicks colored garbage can onto street and stealing it was a DEI executive.

    https://thepostmillennial.com/woman-who-went-viral-stealing-knicks-trash-can-fired-from-jpmorgan-chase-she-was-a-dei-exec

    1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

      Company was probably very thirsty for a reason to dump her.

      Lots of these companies hired these clowns as a virtue signal, everyone realizes they produce nothing but problems.

      We had a series of fully incompetent black/brown women who were put in clip-board carrying "managerial" positions in the 2018-2022 period. They were never fired for their incompetence or notable sub par performance, but let me tell you the second there was cause (that couldn't be brushed off as racism/discrimination) they got dropped like a bad habit. Surprise surprise, the company is back to hiring white women (and sometimes even men!) again.

      Modern corporate and especially govt culture has been a hand-out and jobs program for women with useless degrees. This lady is the posterchild for that. Elon buying Twitter and the pictures pre/post is the example.

      1. Zeb   2 months ago

        The Asian women my company seems to prefer are pretty decent as far as HR ladies go. Definitely better than the awful white woman we had before the Japanese took us over.

      2. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

        I once read an incredible stat that somewhere like 1/3 of all employed black women are govt employees.

      3. damikesc   2 months ago

        I like the movement of shuttering HR departments completely. Not useful, at all.

        1. Zeb   2 months ago

          Well, someone has to deal with the administrative personnel stuff. Though it could probably be absorbed into accounting or something. I think part of the problem with HR is that they have a lot to do that actually has to be done for a few brief periods each year, but then need to find other things to fill the rest of the time.

        2. Agammamon   2 months ago

          HR is very useful but IMO it should not be an 'executive' department.

          Accounting doesn't get to make policy for the company, plenty of departments don't - neither should HR have that level of autonomy.

          The good thing is that in most companies it doesn't.

    2. mad.casual   2 months ago

      I know the SPLC donation scandal got coverage but did this detail get a mention:
      Top SPLC official allegedly funneled $1.2M to neo-Nazi informant who was secret romantic partner

      It would be fun to have ENB argue the sex positive virtues of the story and Robby "to be sure" her about fucking a Nazi... that you're also bankrolling.

      1. HorseConch   2 months ago

        Did you see her? Is he more ashamed of hitting that, or is she more ashamed to have to pay 7 figures of donor money? Classic Chicken/Egg dynamic.

        1. mad.casual   2 months ago

          Did you see her?

          I was surprised at the paucity of neck tattoos.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      Jesse, did you forget that "theft" does not apply to some oppressed demographic groups?

    4. Ska   2 months ago

      Wait, that was a woman this whole time? I thought it was an Orthodox Jew, and a male at that!

  19. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    The consistency....

    First drag school board member wanted to molest kids, had CP.

    https://www.foxnews.com/media/drag-queen-school-board-vice-president-arrested-child-pornography-endangerment-charges

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      UNPOSSIBLE!

      1. damikesc   2 months ago

        I wonder if we are allowed to notice the higher-than-usual rate of serious issues with trannies.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

          Only if we agree that it justifies greater special privileges for trannies.

  20. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    This is a pretty amusing story.

    Corrupt city council votes to form own fire department, not use county services. Costs explode. Fire department built isnt even up to fire code. Town residents vote by 70% to recall entire council. Council declares election illegal and votes themselves back into power post election.

    https://redstate.com/bradslager/2026/06/22/no-talk-of-democracy-threatened-as-a-california-city-council-and-mayor-are-voted-out-but-refuse-to-leave-n2203590

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      Hey, man, the best kind of "democracy" is when our betters tell us what to do.

    2. damikesc   2 months ago

      Ballot box or bullet box. The council can make their choice.

    3. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 months ago

      "During the April 28 special election, residents voted in favor of the recall. Kings County officially certified the results in May after more than 75% of voters agreed to recall Mayor Alvaro Preciado and councilmembers Leticia Gamez, David Reynosa and Pablo Hernandez."

      Californios. Inherited their land titles from their Spanish ancestors and still act like Mexican aristocrats.

  21. Ajsloss   2 months ago

    New York pizza sucks.

    1. I, Woodchipper   2 months ago

      Thank you! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Everyone raves about NYC pizza and it's just "blah".

  22. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Going to counter reasons buy cheap Chinese crao on credit with this.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/why-millionaire-next-door-drives-used-car-and-what-teaches-about-real-wealth

  23. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    End stage TDS. Population banned from blue sky for being too insane.


    Benjamin Ryan
    @benryanwriter
    NEWS: Popehat
    @Popehat
    , aka attorney Ken White, has been permanently banned from Bluesky, apparently for a post in which he suggested there was a moral upside to Elon Musk’s death.

    The Bluesky body politic, meanwhile, is losing its mind over this. Popehat is one of their heroes.

    https://x.com/benryanwriter/status/2069577731457634329

    1. mad.casual   2 months ago

      Even if you were only performatively fucking a goat into a woodchipper, you still fucked a goat into a woodchipper.

    2. damikesc   2 months ago

      Remember when Popehat was somebody you could take seriously?

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Been a decade now. Back before marvel sucked.

        1. damikesc   2 months ago

          Trump really, really broke him.

          Hate Trump much as some do, he did reveal the reality of lots of people online and on TV news.

          He has driven so many "impartial journalists" to become raving leftie lunatics on podcasts it is almost a public service to remind people what journalists actually are.

          1. mad.casual   2 months ago

            Hate Trump much as some do, he did reveal the reality of lots of people online and on TV news.

            And, both together, the TDS or underlying corruption of social or extrinsic vs. intrinsic virtue.

            Like the hatred for Jordan Peterson. If the Canadian government hadn't tried to force him to use pronouns, he'd just be an obscure, moderately-leftist college professor. But people will oppose him to the point of condemning free speech because he says really obvious, but completely peaceful and passive things, that they feel shouldn't be said.

  24. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    New AP style guide. If antifa attacks people with guns it is a noise demonstration.

    Sam Russek
    @samrussek
    Update: 8 Texas protesters were sentenced today, following a July 4 noise demo outside an ICE detention center.

    The maj. were sentenced to 50 years in prison

    2 were sentenced to 70 & 100 years, respectively

    The last, who wasn't even at the protest, was sentenced to 30 years.

    1. Mike Parsons   2 months ago

      Crossed state lines with an AR-15? Death penalty

      Attack a govt facility and shoot and officer? "Noise demo"

      These people are not salvageable

      1. Spiritus Mundi   2 months ago

        Two of them were 'trans'.

        1. HorseConch   2 months ago

          Only 2?

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

            The others were unfairly denied government-funded "gender-affirming" care!

        2. jubalharshaw   2 months ago

          So?

      2. damikesc   2 months ago

        I dunno. Some people can "Attack" a "government facility" and it an attempted insurrection.

        This, clearly, was (D)ifferent.

    2. Murray Rothtard   2 months ago

      i have zero sympathy for the guy that shot a cop. justice done.

      i am pretty blown away that the guy who stayed home and hid a stack of propaganda magazine got 30 fuckin years. we don't put rapists away that long. Justice, and perversion of justice all in one package.

    3. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      And wapo jumps on the bandwagon.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2026/06/23/alleged-antifa-members-texas-get-maximum-sentences-ice-protest/

    4. DesigNate   2 months ago

      Not sure how you get 30 years for “noise” if you weren’t even there.

      But fuck the rest of them.

  25. Spiritus Mundi   2 months ago

    Dont worry Liz, Zohran Mamdani Can't Ruin New York City.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 months ago

      An evergreen reminder KMW has got to go.

      Also, New York City has 3.1 million foreign-born residents, accounting for 38% of the City’s population. I wonder how they feel about socialism?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Depends. Were they born in the EU or some even worse socialist hell-hole?

  26. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    You know I'm inclined toward dramatic retellings, but I swear, this is real. The socialists absolutely swept the New York primary races last night. And now you, dear reader, get to laugh at me even harder for ever choosing to live in this ridiculous place we call New York, trading my self-respect for a few slices of pizza with good crust.

    Some of us are trying to stop this from happening nationally. Pushing DNC talking points and narratives as much of reason does is how you end up where you are at liz. Be more forceful against it.

    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      painting the existing guys as parts of the establishment (frequently using "AIPAC"—the American Israel Public Affairs Committee—as a slur).

      What!! What politician would resort to this. Surely no posters here fall for it! Oh...

    2. Murray Rothtard   2 months ago

      wow. i'm kinda shocked you didn't call her a marxist for explicitly ranting against marxism. well done Jesse.

      I mean, you still found a way to correct her and tell her to do better. But you are improving a lot here with your reading comprehension skills.

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Youre shocked because youre an idiot buddy. Chicago public schools and all.

        Amusing you call out reading comprehension as you seem to lack it if your shocked claim is true.

        Then again, youre an idiot. Someone who thinks facially on topics, going only the depth of a bumper sticker.

    3. Rick James   2 months ago

      Republicans, amirite?

  27. JFree   2 months ago

    Scenes from New York: Enough of this place already!!

    Too late. This place is like the New Yorker cartoon - without the humor.

    1. Outlaw Josey Wales   2 months ago

      So, like the New Yorker cartoon.

  28. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

    Yesterday, the Senate (against all odds!) approved a war powers resolution that would curb Trump's powers to wage war in Iran.

    No it didnt. It was entirely toothless. It has zero effect. It was a strongly worded letter. Thats it.

    Libertarians for empty but loud declarations?

    1. Zeb   2 months ago

      Well, yeah. Have you ever met libertarians?

      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

        Yes. One thing I despise as you can tell from my comments. Screaming instead of doing. No steps while loudly complaining instead of small steps. It is why people have abandoned the party more than even the liberaltarian takeover in the LP.

        Was especially apparent when the LP was crying about the MC who was actually accomplishing shit.

        The only path that is even slightly obtainable is small victories showing a positive direction to engender more acceptance of the direction. Instead the LP wants to act like terrorists and destroy the path to right direction while putting a veneer of the dogma onto shoddy built democrat buildings.

        1. Zeb   2 months ago

          The LP is indeed pointless and I don't think of them in the least bit as defining what a libertarian is, which is why I distinguish libertarians from Libertarians.
          And I can respect pragmatic libertarians who want to work in the realm of the practical. But I also think there is a place for more strict libertarians who just want to say what they think is correct based on their principles. IT would be nice if Reason would go back to being that, but they seem to have decided they don't particularly want to be pragmatic or principled.

          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            I still refuse to call it a principle when you actively undermine the principle by not taking the steps to reach it. Relying on a nirvana fallacy of it is not perfect will never accomplish anything. Especially when libertarians disagree on what a perfect solution even is.

            So calling it principled is not actually principled.

            Ironically it also forces almost an authoritarian glint instead of liberty because by relying on solely your self defined principles requires others to follow your principles and not deviate in order to garner support. My way or the highway.

            In reality the principle should be taking right steps to engender more liberty and more choice, even when other people choose differently than you.

            I'll also add that one of the biggest failures of modern libertarians is ignoring the freedom to fail. It is especially apparent in liberaltarian circles. Instead wr consistently see things like UBI pushed. Socialism lite.

            Its weird that libertarians will claim to be principled and against welfare but then debate themselves into stating they will support ubi because it allows less restrictions on stolen money.

            This is why I never buy the principled claim. Because they sell out their principles for various policies all the time. See also open borders into a welfare state. So nobody is really actually dying on the principle stance, just a claim they make on certain disagreements.

            The loudest "muh principles" crowd will often be the first to compromise them as soon as it is prudent to do so.

            1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

              Ironically it also forces almost an authoritarian glint instead of liberty because by relying on solely your self defined principles requires others to follow your principles and not deviate in order to garner support. My way or the highway.

              In reality the principle should be taking right steps to engender more liberty and more choice, even when other people choose differently than you.

              What's ironic is sermon this coming from a MAGA loyalist

              1. Dillinger   2 months ago

                >>MAGA loyalist

                this as an argument is beneath adult.

                1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

                  It's not an argument, it's a fact.

                  1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

                    That is not to say there is any problem with being a MAGA loyalist per se, but to bitch about libertarianism being authoritarian and anti-liberty from this platform is laughable.

                    1. Agammamon   2 months ago

                      Clearly there is - or else you wouldn't continually attempt to insult people with that label.

                    2. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

                      I didn't attempt to insult anyone. It is just a description for those loyal to Trump through "America first" pivot to to Israel first, from "bomb them to the stone age" pivot to this war must end, from "we won" pivot to $300 billion rebuilding, removing sanctions and seized $billions, from no enrichment no missiles to "that's not how it works" etc.

                  2. Dillinger   2 months ago

                    yes, if we're acting beneath adult. Massie and Paul are the golden calves of this place and they're nothing but contrarians based on who bought lunch and who's pointing a camera at them - total authoritarians. and liberty never had a home on the left.

                    1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

                      I think we're talking past each other here.

                      Anyway it's past noon and I have face Kentucky and pray now.

                    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

                      Yeah. These clowns get extra upset when you point out how Massie never accomplished anything, because they are who I described above. Claims of principles always acting ultimately against any steps towards the principles they claim to have. Fucking hypocrites.

                      One of my favorite parts of the movie Dogma is when Rufus describes the difference between ideas and beliefs. One can be changed, one is fixed.

                      Same with faux libertarians who scream principles as a crutch to avoid any accomplishments.

                      Libertarians need to focus on goals instead of principles, especially when said principles are often not actually principles. As seen in the examples I gave.

                2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

                  Qb has the mental capacity of a child. So comment is accurate.

                  He seems upset that i was describing him and Leo and he noticed.

              2. Agammamon   2 months ago

                Is this supposed to scare?

                Is 'MAGA loyalist' the new 'Nazi'? Because people not in your egregore don't care about your labels for outsiders anymore. You're a burnt-out memetic infection.

                1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

                  It's not meant to scare, it's meant to point out hypocrisy.

                  Is 'MAGA loyalist' the new 'Nazi'? Because people not in your egregore don't care about your labels for outsiders anymore. You're a burnt-out memetic infection.

                  Does that include "antisemite" as I've been accused of as well as wanting to see millions of Jews dead right in these comments for merely criticizing Israeli war mongering?

                  I never said Nazi nor any epithet. That you consider me describing people loyal to Trump as "Trump Loyalists" equivalent "Nazi" is puzzling though.

                  1. Agammamon   2 months ago

                    It doesn't point out hypocrisy. Its meant to point out those not part of your egregore. Its the invasion of the body-snatchers scream. We're *supposed* to be afraid that we've been found out as not part of the collective mind.

                    But we're not.

                    1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

                      Why'd you ask if you already know the answer and know what I think and mean better than I do?

            2. Zeb   2 months ago

              I think you are still making the mistake of thinking that Reason and the LP, or even people like Massey (who I like a lot more than you do) represent libertarianism. If you make an argument for UBI, or any broad welfare program, you are not a libertarian. Those people should not be considered when you are talking about strictly principled libertarians. But I will accept if you want to call libertarians (in the sense that I prefer) a debating society rather than a political movement.

              1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

                I liked Massie okay until he began grandstanding as his primary principle. He lost me on the debt limit fight under mccarthy where he lied that he was principled because he got a 1% cut that he knew would never happen. He quickly compromised on his proclaimed principles for recognition.

                Then when he got his gf a taxpayer job.

                Then when he said he would vote against his apparent principles if he got recognition.

                Then when he used legal protections to defame 5 innocent people for again, recognition.

                Then when he blamed jews for his loss despite spending more than his opponent.

                He became about himself instead of actually accomplishing anything good. Maybe too much time with Khanna and MTG.

          2. JFree   2 months ago

            Reason is very pragmatic. They are not 'libertarian'. They are neoliberal. Their version of 'libertarian' is whatever is necessary to privatize government and hand it over to billionaires and bury any accountability of it beyond some internal business operation. There is obviously a Venn diagram overlap between libertarian and neoliberal re government - but the objective of Reason is plutocracy and oligarchy not liberty.

            1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 months ago

              Did someone hang Jewfree over the edge of a volcano? He seems to be finally embracing what we, or at least I, have always known him to be. An apologist for Marxism.

              1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

                He embraced it when he went full chicken little during covid. Wasn't a single covid induced act he didnt support.

            2. Rick James   2 months ago

              As long as it's not regressive.

  29. Michael Ejercito   2 months ago

    The lawsuit also challenged two other measures enacted by Democrats in Albany as part of the state's budget
    Where did states get the idea that they can control the conduct of federal agencies?

    1. damikesc   2 months ago

      I wish the Feds responded with an official letter just saying "How cute".

  30. CindyF   2 months ago

    "DSA Crowd Bullies Hakeem Jeffries Off Stage with 'You're Next' Boos While Screaming 'Free Palestine'"

    https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2026/06/24/hakeem-jeffries-last-night-claire-valdez-n2429564

    1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 months ago

      Pander to Jacobins, get the guillotine.

      What did he think was going to happen? It's like these fuckwits get all of their history from graphic novels.

  31. Marshal   2 months ago

    The socialists absolutely swept the New York primary races last night.

    Don't worry. I have it on the very best authority that Mamdani et al cannot ruin NYC. Just go about your business paying no attention whatever to the entirely predictable effects you're about to experience. It'll be a great learning experience.

  32. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

    "...Chevalier's bio touts that she once "helped lead the removal of the Central Park statue of J. Marion Sims, fought for the release of Abdikadir Mohamed after 18 months of ICE detention under Trump's 'Muslim ban,'…[and] helped lead the 2023–24 Columbia encampment..."

    All good reasons for her jailing.

  33. Moderation4ever   2 months ago

    "One of the wildest components of all of this is the degree to which the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) claims to represent the working class."

    Is this any wilder than the Republican party controlled by billionaires claiming to represent the working class. The reality is that most politicians claim to be for the common person even when they don't know what a common person is like in real life.

    1. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

      That has been since the beginning of politics.

      Julius Caesar became the leader of the Populares faction, despite being of the oldest of Patrician families claiming descent from Aeneas and therefore the goddess Venus.

    2. damikesc   2 months ago

      Funny hearing that given that billionaires are, overwhelmingly, Democrat.

      1. Moderation4ever   2 months ago

        They may be Democrats but the billionaire class seems to donate more to Republicans.

        https://americansfortaxfairness.org/billionaire-clans-spend-nearly-2-billion-2024-elections/?doing_wp_cron=1782330292.8517940044403076171875

        1. damikesc   2 months ago

          Weird how Soros family --- over $60M --- did not make that list. Must have been a whoopsie oversight.

          No Muskovitz family either. They did about $50M. Another whoopsie.

          Hmm, small oversights, clearly.

          1. Moderation4ever   2 months ago

            I provided a citation can you?

    3. Agammamon   2 months ago

      Or the Democrat party controlled by billionaires and KKK supporters claiming to not be the party of slavery any more even though every thing they do makes lives from minorities worse?

    4. Agammamon   2 months ago

      There is one sorta Republican billionaire - but go on about 'they'

    5. Square = Circle   2 months ago

      Is this any wilder than the Republican party controlled by billionaires claiming to represent the working class.

      Yes, because lots of working class people vote Republican, while almost none vote for "Democratic Socialists."

      1. damikesc   2 months ago

        You also don't see Republicans demand the poor fund the wasteful grad degree loan taking of the extremely wealthy leftists. For all of their rampant and numerous flaws, the GOP is not demanding regressive spending policies such as that.

    6. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

      There are more billionaires on the left dumdum.

    7. DesigNate   2 months ago

      This post was just meh. Do better, parody.

  34. Dillinger   2 months ago

    >>Socialists Hijacked My City

    you still don't understand what hijacked your city.

    1. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

      It is not being "hijacked". Being led down the garden path perhaps, but not coerced.

      1. Dillinger   2 months ago

        I didn't choose the word but it's apt. Hamas is in the Mayor's seat they tunnel under garden paths

  35. Dillinger   2 months ago

    >>And now you, dear reader, get to laugh at me even harder for ever choosing to live in this ridiculous place

    I'd rather point out you waste your voice and this e-zine while western civilization is eradicated by "socialists"

  36. Dillinger   2 months ago

    >>Yesterday, the Senate (against all odds!) approved a war powers resolution that would curb Trump's powers to wage war in Iran.

    no Molly, it would not.

  37. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

    "laugh at me even harder for ever choosing to live in this ridiculous place we call New York"

    True, true ... but to be fair I laugh just as hard at ANYONE who chooses to live in ANY high population density urban center. Also - to be fair - it is impossible for any government to sanely manage any city this long after all such cities outlived the original social, economic and geographic factors that led to their formation. It really does not matter whether the city officials believe in socialism, anarchism, progressivism, liberty or conservatism while operating an authoritarian, thoroughly corrupt hegemony of public employee unions and organized criminal gangs hoping for at least a little stability as the cities slowly decay back into the swamps they started out as.

    1. damikesc   2 months ago

      Having a single party having near total control for years is the bigger problem. Republican leadership in NYC is dramatically better than Democrat leadership has been.

      1. Rick James   2 months ago

        But the sidewalk murals... you don't get sidewalk murals in flyover country!

        Plus, you can choose from an array of new colors and styles for your ducts!

  38. Dillinger   2 months ago

    >>On the topic of AIPAC-as-a-slur:

    is Reason cool with that? Dave Smith is

    1. damikesc   2 months ago

      I loved on Triggernometry, Smith having no answer about what Israel should have done in regards to 10/7.

      Easy to bitch without any idea of an alternative.

      1. Zeb   2 months ago

        That's what it comes down to for me. I may not agree with everything they do, but Israel is a country full of mostly innocent people and they get to defend themselves when attacked. War is ugly. If you don't want war, don't attack people.

        1. Rick James   2 months ago

          Hamas was merely fighting a defensive war. They're literally surrounded by Israel!

          1. Zeb   2 months ago

            Yeah, it is critical to defend yourself from music festival attendees and infants.

      2. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

        You may not like or agree with Smith's answer, but a police action to arrest Hamas perpetrators is an answer.

        1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 months ago

          A laughably stupid answer. You might as well suggest Gazans could arrest the perpetrators.

          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 months ago

            It seems to be the new big government to. "Do this extra expensive impossible thing instead!"

            They claim anything to blame the jews though.

            They even keep lying about the numbers

            Ted Rall, America's BS Detector
            @TedRall
            If you lose 1,200 people, killing 400,000 in revenge is not "defending yourself."

            Not even the kying gazing health ministry has this number, 5 times more than they claim.

            But this is who they are.

            Square will be here to try to snark and fail shortly though to defend his team.

            1. Dillinger   2 months ago

              >>They claim anything to blame the jews though.

              the Colombian who lost the election blamed them for programming the vote machines.

            2. mad.casual   2 months ago

              Brannigan: "You see, 'defending yourself' has a preset kill limit. Knowing the weakness, I sent wave after wave of my own men at them until they reached their self-defense limit, veered into vengeance, and got shut down. Kif, show them the medal I won."

          2. Rick James   2 months ago

            Send in a couple of black-and-whites, knock on the door and say, "You're under arrest!"

            1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

              As opposed to killing a bunch of innocent children? I'm listening.

              1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

                Although that’s clearly a purposeful oversimplification.

              2. Agammamon   2 months ago

                If they don't like their innocent children being killed then they can stop killing other people's.

              3. Zeb   2 months ago

                War fucking sucks. Especially for the innocent. But once you're in war, you are in it and you fight to win, knowing that people will get hurt and killed who don't deserve it. People get hurt and horrible things happen. That's a good reason not to attack your much more well armed neighbor for decades if what you care about is the lives of your children.

              4. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

                Hamas started the war. Not all Palestinians are Hamas nor to blame for starting the war any more than you guys or me for starting the war in Iran.

                There is a line somewhere between "we were attacked" and "we are now justified to kill everyone we want."

                1. damikesc   2 months ago

                  Such is life. Who can take Hamas out of power? The same innocent citizens who support them overwhelmingly.

                  Their preferred government made a decision that went extremely poorly for them. It'd be like whining for leniency for a child who killed their parents because they have to live as an orphan now.

                  1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

                    Such is life

                    True. And I understand your point, but I guess as a person that has always lived under a government I didn't choose or support, I feel differently.

                2. Zeb   2 months ago

                  True, but Hamas is their government and that's how wars go. Maybe there was a nicer way to deal with Hamas, I have no idea and I probably never will. I can't do anything about it and there are too many things happening in the world that I can never know enough about to have an informed opinion on, so I'll just accept that war is hell and the world is a messy place and save my concern for things more local that I have any remote chance of affecting in some way.

                  1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

                    I pretty much or maybe totally agree with this. I'm defending Dave Smith here that his response is not stupid or naive, but my personal stance is that the US shouldn't involve itself (including defending Israel from neighbors they piss off nor telling them to call off their response though I would cut off all aid) and Israel can do what they want.

                3. Marshal   2 months ago

                  There is a line somewhere between "we were attacked" and "we are now justified to kill everyone we want."

                  Note how QB always lies about Israel. They try to avoid civilian casualties while Hamas maximizes them so their allies can use their deaths to criticize Israel as QB does here.

                  Meanwhile QB's belief is that Israel alone in the world cannot defend itself when attacked.

                  1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

                    Yet again Marshal attacks me instead of my argument. It's always who and not what with this guy. I know you're intelligent because of how you manipulate words to win arguments. Why can't you use your intellect tomargue honestly though?

                    You misunderstood my comment, because you're incapable of giving any benefit of the doubt to someone not in your "in group". I meant that an attack doesn't justify any possible response AND I'VE REPEATEDLY SAID I THINK ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF.

                    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

                      "...Yet again Marshal attacks me instead of my argument..."

                      Arguing with bags of shit like you is a waste of time. Fuck off and die, asswipe.

                    2. Marshal   2 months ago

                      Yet again Marshal attacks me instead of my argument.

                      The most interesting aspect of this is how stupidly wrong it is. In fact I attacked your argument that Israel kills anyone they want.

                      you're incapable of giving any benefit of the doubt to someone not in your "in group".

                      More left wing privilege, demanding of others what you never offer others. If you were more perceptive you would have noticed I offer it to those who offer it themselves. Similarly there are plenty of people who criticize Israel that I don't criticize because they don't lie to advance their position.

                      I'VE REPEATEDLY SAID I THINK ISRAEL HAS THE RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF.

                      Sure you do. But then you attack them every time they do. When someone reaches conclusions differently than the principles they claim to follow actually dictate which do you think indicate true beliefs? It seems to me this the same as believing people's actions and not words are their true beliefs when their words and actions conflict.

                      The simple truth is that there was a 100% effective method for Palestinians to have not suffered the effects of this war. That method was for Palestinians to not have murdered and kidnapped ~1500 Jews, but apparently to you that's an unreasonable expectation of Palestinians. Meanwhile, again to you, Israel cannot fight against an actual genocide because their attackers intentionally imbed themselves among civilians. Imagine an American arguing we can fight WWII, but if we kill any German civilians we are at fault rather than the Germans. It's laughably absurd.

          3. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

            Did you view the video? Because he goes into a lot more detail. To brush it off with only "laughably stupid answer" is a laughably stupid rebuttal.

            1. Agammamon   2 months ago

              I can go into a lot of detail.

              You don't do 'police actions' in places where the whole populace is supporting the people you're there to arrest and shooting at you.

              1. Rick James   2 months ago

                Hint: A "police action" in another country is a war.

                1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

                  Still didn't watch the vid, eh?

                  1. Rick James   2 months ago

                    Dude, I'm a founding subscriber of Triggernometry... I've watched ALL their videos.

                    1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

                      So you're just joking around with polar opposite responses of police action = war and sending in the black and white? I missed the joke. Sorry, Paul.

              2. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

                I guess I have more confidence in Israeli intelligence and special forces than you...and they've done so in the past.

            2. damikesc   2 months ago

              Watched the entire episode. Smith did not know what they should have done. He is a funny guy, but he is a terribly shallow thinker.

              1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

                I think you have that backwards, but thanks for taking the time.

        2. Agammamon   2 months ago

          A 'police action' to arrest people who've sent more rockets into Israeli neighborhoods than the Nazis did to the British?

          1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

            Yes

        3. damikesc   2 months ago

          It is not a credible answer. What was done to Israelis is dramatically worse than just a crime.

          1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

            OK

        4. Marshal   2 months ago

          His view reminds me of the scene in Braveheart where the king's weakling son claims the appropriate response to the Wallace rebellion is to have the local magistrate arrest and hang Wallace. His plan shows us he's an imbecile with no clue what to do when the status quo breaks down.

          1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

            Maybe, but Israel's actually response has made them the pariah of the world and will harm them in the long run so that's pretty imbecillic too.

            1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

              Also they did not succeed in iradicating Hamas with the war in Gaza either.

            2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

              "...Maybe, but Israel's actually response has made them the pariah of the world..."

              Only to antisemetic bags of shit like you.

            3. Marshal   2 months ago

              Israel's actually response has made them the pariah of the world

              Untrue. It's clear everyone who hates Israel's response would say the exact same things no matter what Israel did. That's why it's a fool's errand to try to appease them. Israel's response had no effect on their being a pariah which is driven by anti-Semitic scapegoating.

              The left uses the same tactic on everything. We gave them $2 trillion for Obamacare and they make the exact same complaints now they did before Obamacare. No matter what happens on any subject their complaints remain the same because they change the standard to ... whatever it needs to be to justify their criticism. They live in a word of make believe defined by their words, reality is not a relevant consideration to their claims.

  39. Agammamon   2 months ago

    You know Liz, other places in the country can do pizza like New York does - and you don't have to dodge rats and hobos raping burning corpses on the subway.

  40. NoVaNick   2 months ago

    Well Lizzie, you can kiss the good crust on your NYC pizza goodbye because these same socialists and socialist-adjacents plan to ban coal and gas pizza ovens because climate change and air pollution harms the vulnerable peeps.

  41. TrickyVic (old school)   2 months ago

    The party of antisemites was really popular back in the 1930s. How bad could it turn out?

  42. Dillinger   2 months ago

    >>https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/us-iran-trump-deal-nuclear-inspections-iaea-timing-not-essential/#post-update-e3b99e14

    Israel killed two Hizbollah terrorists did anyone check on the vice president? does he require kleenex? maybe a lolly?

  43. Rick James   2 months ago

    1. It might one day be imported from Britain!
    b: This resident is of two minds...

  44. Rick James   2 months ago

    these are some wild splits on ai usage/sentiment

    Reason: 90/10

  45. Rick James   2 months ago

    And now you, dear reader, get to laugh at me even harder for ever choosing to live in this ridiculous place we call New York, trading my self-respect for a few slices of pizza with good crust.

    Your borders are a social construct.

  46. aajax   2 months ago

    I see how odious these people are, but Liz cited no actual socialist ideology.

    1. Rick James   2 months ago

      If you're curious about DSA positions, you could go to their website.

      However, just a few:

      UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE
      Extend full voting rights to people with criminal convictions and noncitizens and establish statehood for Washington D.C.

      POPULAR VOTE FOR PRESIDENT

      Replace the Electoral College with a national popular vote for President.

      FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT
      Allow workers to freely migrate between countries to seek employment without restrictive immigration controls. Demilitarize the border, end all immigrant detention and deportations, immediate amnesty for all immigrants regardless of current immigration status, and provide access to jobs, labor rights, and social services to all immigrants.

      32-HOUR WORK WEEK
      A 32-hour work week with no reduction in pay or benefits.

      UNION POWER
      Protect all workers’ rights to strike and form a union, make it easier for workers to join unions, and invest in the National Labor Relations Board.

      GREEN NEW DEAL
      Massive public investment to transition away from fossil fuels toward a green and sustainable economy. Guaranteed support for workers in the fossil fuel industry, massive infrastructure and jobs programs, and public ownership over major transportation and energy infrastructure and natural resources.

      MEDICARE FOR ALL
      Universal healthcare with no premiums, co-pays, or deductibles. Guarantees for reproductive and gender-affirming care.

      COLLEGE FOR ALL
      Make all public higher education tuition-free with no out-of-pocket cost for room and board and cancel all student loan debt.

      FIGHT MASS INCARCERATION AND POLICE BRUTALITY
      Abolish mandatory minimums and cash bail, and demilitarize police departments.

      1. Rick James   2 months ago

        This resident is of two minds.

  47. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

    Live (happily) in SF. Have managed, so far to fly under the (tax) radar and the views which we enjoy are what people pay thousands of dollars to see. Wife and I agree, and by careful efforts, we avoid the 'bum tax'.
    You need good advice; it is available and worth it.

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