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Police Abuse

The Second Shooting

Plus: Kristi Noem's transformation of DHS, Stanley Kubrick's Gigolo Joe, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 1.26.2026 9:30 AM

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A second shooting in Minneapolis: A U.S. citizen—a 37-year-old ICU nurse named Alex Pretti—was shot and killed by immigration agents in Minneapolis over the weekend.

Pretti's death has become a lightning rod for criticism of the excesses of the Trump administration. Pretti, whom federal government officials have tarred as a "would-be assassin" committing "domestic terrorism", was carrying a firearm (with a permit) at the time he was shot. He had no criminal record.

As "law enforcement officers were conducting a targeted operation in Minneapolis against an illegal alien wanted for violent assault, an individual approached US Border Patrol officers with a 9 mm semi-automatic handgun," the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) claimed in an official statement. "The officers attempted to disarm the suspect but the armed suspect violently resisted….Fearing for his life and the lives and safety of fellow officers, an agent fired defensive shots….The suspect also had 2 magazines and no ID—this looks like a situation where an individual wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement."

But Pretti never drew his weapon (even though the Department of Homeland Security's Kristi Noem says he was "brandishing" it). He appears to have been disarmed before he was shot. Simply carrying a firearm, plus two magazines, should not be regarded as an invitation to be killed in a country that deigns to protect Second Amendment rights. But shot he was.

It is possible that his gun accidentally discharged—it was a Sig Sauer P320, which has a history of doing that—but there's not much to suggest that happened. The video does not appear to indicate that, and it seems unlikely we'll get a full, reliable investigation. "Video footage of Pretti's death shows federal agents using pepper spray on protesters," writes Reason's Robby Soave. "Pretti appears to be recording the altercation with his cell phone. After an agent shoves one of the protesters to the ground, Pretti moves to assist her. Several CBP agents then decide to bring Pretti down. It's conceivable that the agent who shot Pretti had the impression that he was reaching for his weapon—though the first shot clearly went off after another agent disarmed the protester."

The administration has chosen a line and stuck with it. Pretti, in their telling, was a dangerous "assassin" trying to pick off law enforcement. Video of his encounter with immigration agents does not support this portrayal. As Reason's Jacob Sullum points out, "DHS again promises a thorough investigation of a fatal shooting after prejudging the outcome."

An assassin tried to murder federal agents and this is your response. https://t.co/4Gx5UPpc4X

— Stephen Miller (@StephenM) January 24, 2026

Interestingly, Trump—possibly attuned to quickly-tanking public opinion—seems like he might be willing to pull back from Minnesota. "I don't like any shooting. I don't like it," Trump told The Wall Street Journal. "But I don't like it when somebody goes into a protest and he's got a very powerful, fully loaded gun with two magazines loaded up with bullets also. That doesn't play good either."

"At some point we will leave," he added. "We've done, they've done a phenomenal job." He added that the officers' actions were under review.

The scene in Minneapolis raises hard questions for those who had previously supported Trump's immigration policy: How many unjust killings by agents of the state must be tolerated in the name of border security?

It's not worth a single needless death like this to remove 1000 or even 10,000 illegal immigrants. https://t.co/xGt2nyOuLY

— Thomas Chatterton Williams (@thomaschattwill) January 25, 2026

And another question is raised by the reckless brutality on full display now. Are agencies like ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) doing what they claim? Are you safer now? Is your money well-spent? Is the government doing what it ought to be?

It seems like the thing that everyone is missing is that mass deportations are not happening. Nothing close.

— Dave Smith (@ComicDaveSmith) January 25, 2026

And, relevant to libertarians in particular: Are gun owners safe in Trump's America?

As rumors circulated that the administration would target Maine's Somali population, "I stopped carrying the 9-mm compact handgun—a Glock 19 equipped with a Holosun red dot—that I keep underneath my shirt most days, in full compliance with Maine's concealed-carry laws," writes Tyler Austin Harper in The Atlantic. "Although it is completely within my rights to carry concealed in my state…the past few weeks have made it apparent that ICE and Border Patrol don't put much store in the law or Constitution." What do we have left when our right to keep and bear arms is winnowed down to something unrecognizable, when our right to film agents of the state is conflated with domestic terrorism?


Scenes from New York: New series on "affording New York" featuring a family of five—the father is a super—who lives on $140,000 dollars a year in Manhattan's Morningside Heights. I am reminded, as I read this, that most of the so-called affordability crisis (housing perhaps exempted) is actually a crisis of budgeting and priorities; when you are legitimately middle-class, yet want to live in one of the priciest cities in the country, you must make tradeoffs that will sometimes feel painful, and you must continuously assess whether you still find those tradeoffs to be worthwhile. People have been doing this for centuries, yet there's a certain breed of champagne socialist that seems to believe that they shouldn't have to, that the state should smooth their way.


QUICK HITS

  • "In the year since Noem left her post as South Dakota's governor to lead the Department of Homeland Security, the agency has dramatically transformed in ways that are increasingly visible to the American public," reports The Washington Post. "Homeland Security's sprawling deportation campaign is a marked departure from the agency's focus after its founding in the aftermath of Sept. 11. The department was created to protect the nation against foreign terrorists and work closely with federal and local agencies. Under Noem's leadership, the agency has moved its focus to immigration enforcement—pulling and cutting resources from other operations, like the Federal Emergency Management Agency, to carry out the president's mass deportation campaign."
  • "China's top general, second only to Xi Jinping, the nation's leader, in the military command, has been put under investigation and accused of 'grave violations of discipline and the law,' the Ministry of National Defense said on Saturday, the most stunning escalation yet in Mr. Xi's purge of the People's Liberation Army elite," reports The New York Times. "The general, Zhang Youxia, is a vice chairman of the Central Military Commission, the Communist Party body that controls China's armed forces. Another member of the commission, Gen. Liu Zhenli, who leads the military's Joint Staff Department, is also under investigation, the Defense Ministry said. Its announcement did not say what either general was alleged to have done wrong." This is all part of Xi's intense escalation toward ensuring all top military officials are loyal to him and him alone.
  • "It was the summer of 1990 in Stanley Kubrick's kitchen and I'd just invented the sex robot Gigolo Joe," writes Ian Watson for Bloomberg.
  • How to understand Pope Leo and the Augustinian tradition.
  • Interesting:

???????????????? Geert Wilders, a major Trump ally, lost half his seats in the last election. This week his party lost another 7 MPs. They walked! Collapse in real time pic.twitter.com/7qyWdWNrUX

— Mariska den Eelden ???????????????? (@eeldenden) January 25, 2026

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 weeks ago

    A U.S. citizen—a 37-year-old ICU nurse named Alex Pretti—was shot and killed by immigration agents in Minneapolis over the weekend.

    For those 2A enthusiasts among us, this one looks a little dodgy.

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    1. Fist of Etiquette   2 weeks ago

      Simply carrying a firearm, plus two magazines, should not be regarded as an invitation to be killed in a country that deigns to protect Second Amendment rights.

      Absolutely correct, but I will temper that a tad by saying responsible concealed carriers don't put themselves into this position, which it appears to me he did.

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      1. mad.casual   2 weeks ago

        For some of us, concealed carry of our range gun to a police action or civil unrest without our FOID, CCW permit would rightly be regarded as premeditation even if we had chose to defend ourselves.

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        1. Incunabulum   2 weeks ago

          The rest of us, of course, live in free states that don't require 'cards' at all;)

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          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

            Arizona doesnt require it but still encourage friends and family to take a basic ccw course.

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          2. mad.casual   2 weeks ago

            Mine isn't the only state where, license or not, you can be arrested or have charges elevated for having an empty gun and a/the loaded magazine in the same compartment of your vehicle or stored in the same locked container *in your home*.

            The idea that someone with an empty shotgun and a full box of shells sitting in their safe at home *might* be a criminal while someone carrying 60+ rounds without ID to civil unrest is just exercising their rights as a citizen is either retardedly naive or mind-blowingly selective dishonesty.

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      2. Spiritus Mundi   2 weeks ago

        Only the government has agency in Reeeason town.

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      3. HorseConch   2 weeks ago

        This is where the majority of us will be. Although I enjoy the right to carry when out and about, I'm not putting myself in contact with law enforcement anywhere that I do. Whether within my rights or not, I'm not betting my life on that cop not harming me.

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      4. Longtobefree   2 weeks ago

        He was not legally carrying because he did not have his permit with him, which is a condition of the permit.

        Disclaimer: no one should need a permit for any right (supposedly) guaranteed by the US Constitution)

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      5. Bubba Jones   2 weeks ago

        >responsible concealed carriers don't put themselves into this position, which it appears to me he did

        There seems to be no correlation between being armed and being shot.

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    2. Stupid Government Tricks   2 weeks ago

      Not the slightest bit dodgy. He armed himself in preparation for interfering with cops at a violent anti-cop protest and chose to resist arrest. The outcome was predictable.

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      1. Minadin   2 weeks ago

        It's dodgy because it appears he may have been disarmed before he was shot.

        He still put himself in that position AND fought with federal officers while armed.

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        1. Ron   2 weeks ago

          the further question is did the officer know teh gun had been removed. it seems the officer who got the gun didn't announce that he had control. thus a team failure of communication. was he shot needlessly yes but at teh same time he would be alive if he had not interfered which he did he got between the officer and the other person. Is ice guilty of murder I'd say no traggic death yes.
          And yes it is legal to carry a fire arm during a protest except in California which in my opinion is an infringement of a right.

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          1. Minadin   2 weeks ago

            Based on the videos I've seen, it doesn't appear that the other officers knew that the gun was removed. It looks like they were each and all very surprised by the initial gunshot, which happened while other officers were yelling 'Gun! Gun!'

            They also wouldn't have known whether or not he only had one.

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            1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

              That, and the whistles being blown all over made it difficult to hear if the gun had been removed or not. I’d imagine that all the noise made it difficult to hear anything and added to the confusion in the incident. From my perspective, listening intently to the videos, it’s hard to make out what exactly was said over the whistle blowing. I did hear something about a gun followed by ten gunshots.

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              1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 weeks ago

                The whistles and shouting are loud. Pretti never goes to the ground and the officer that shoots first can't see his hands.

                Pretti should have gone flat. If I had to guess, the dipshit was trying to protect his phone which is why he didn't immediately sprawl out.

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                1. Liberty_Belle   2 weeks ago

                  I think he was busy being seal-clubbed by an agent with a bear spray canister. Likely it was the human natural reaction to cover your head from whatever is insistent on giving you a concussion.

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                  1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

                    And they retreat to the assault fire extinguisher play. Retards gonna retard.

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        2. mamabug   2 weeks ago

          At this point, to me it looks like a tragic and avoidable death, but also a logical outcome of deliberately creating a chaotic situation by encouraging increasingly violent and obstructive behavior of protesters while simultaneously isolating federal law enforcement from any local support operations creating a 'siege' mindset. It's almost like somebody (or groups of somebodies) wanted this to happen. (end sarcasm)

          Seeing the footage from the last couple weeks, it also has me questioning all other 'government massacre of protestors' narratives I grew up with. For all I know, the Boston Massacre was a similar setup to throw an angry mob at stressed out soldiers with the hope of sparking a revolution.

          tl;dr - the folks that want chaos have now gotten exactly what they want. We are past bleeding Kansas and into the firing on Fort Sumter. Next couple years will be insane.

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      2. MollyGodiva   2 weeks ago

        Resisting arrest is punishable by summary execution?

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        1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 weeks ago

          Fighting police while armed is extremely stupid. Even you should be able to understand that.

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          1. HorseConch   2 weeks ago

            This x100. If I get pulled over at any time and I have a gun in my console, my ID and insurance card are on the dash when the cop gets to me and my hands are on the wheel. I'm giving that cop zero reason to worry about me because I don't trust any of them with my life.

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            1. Quicktown Brix   2 weeks ago

              Does this seem OK to you? They protect and serve by not killing you if you show complete submission to their dominating authority?

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              1. Neutral not Neutered   2 weeks ago

                Dude didn't just say fuck off or throw a sandwich.

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              2. DesigNate   2 weeks ago

                Is it ok? Not in an ideal world.

                But in reality, this hasn’t changed all that much in 10000 years of human civilization.

                This is why minimizing the amount of interaction between government and citizen is imperative (minarchy for the win).

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                1. Quicktown Brix   2 weeks ago

                  Well said.

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          2. damikesc   2 weeks ago

            "Fighting police while armed is extremely stupid. Even you should be able to understand that."

            Don't overestimate Tony.

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          3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

            No, he can’t.

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        2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

          Tell us about Babbit again Molly. She wasn't even armed.

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          1. MollyGodiva   2 weeks ago

            Babbitt was a traitor who was about to attack Congresscritters. Had she not been shot J6 would have turned out much worse. An angry mob is far more dangerous then someone with a gun.

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            1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

              Thanks again!

              The lefts true views ^^

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              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

                "My insurgency is speech, your speech is treason!"

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              2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 weeks ago

                The asswipe's true views ^^

                Fixed.
                (not you, E-b H S)

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            2. Spiritus Mundi   2 weeks ago

              Sullum +5

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              1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                That’s harsh.

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            3. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

              Walz +11. You keep burning out my Walz Retardometers.

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            4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

              Stupid cunt. You, not Ashli.

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              1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

                Hey now, Molly isn’t a stupid cunt.

                She’s a fully retarded cunt.

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                1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                  ‘He’. Tony in lipstick and a dress isn’t a girl.

                  https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WxRupu3_868

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            5. damikesc   2 weeks ago

              "Babbitt was a traitor who was about to attack Congresscritters."

              There were exactly 0 Congresspeople anywhere near the confrontation. It was an execution, but you're OK with it.

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              1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

                They were evacuated over an hour prior.

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            6. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 weeks ago

              What about due process?

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            7. Marshal   2 weeks ago

              Meanwhile in reality there were tactical police coming up the steps seconds behind her completely unobstructed by the crowd, If she had not been killed nothing would have happened to anyone.

              The important takeaway from Molly is recognizing left wingers will say anything they believe will help their political preference, reality is simply not a consideration.

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        3. Minadin   2 weeks ago

          In your case, I'm leaning toward skipping the resisting part.

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        4. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

          What about attempting to go through a door, unarmed, at the capitol? That's a headshot, right, Tony?

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      3. Spiritus Mundi   2 weeks ago

        Liz also left out (what happened to boaf sidez!) that Pretti was likely a memeber of ICE Watch, same as Good. And that this ICE Watch group was organized on signal by Democrat Minneapolis government employees.

        https://www.zerohedge.com/political/left-wing-activists-run-quasi-police-operation-signal-target-ice-agents-minneapolis

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        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

          This is what shocks me the most about reason. They pushed the j6 insurrection narrative. They ignored the babbit narrative. They applauded Tarrio, who wasn't even there, getting 20 years. A 3 hour riot.

          Yet they continue to defend leftist riots while at the same time blaming trump for the violence. They ignore this violence being funded by foreign Marxist groups. They ignore democrats working directly with the groups.

          Why?

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          1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 weeks ago

            Further, they pushed the BLM riots as 'mostly peaceful', the lying sacks of lefty shit.

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            1. damikesc   2 weeks ago

              As I said in another post...they should just rename themselves "Alternet" and be done with the scam.

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          2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

            It wouldn’t surprise me if Koch doesn’t have Reason also working directly with democrat groups.

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          3. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 weeks ago

            The left is always given a free pass fir their violence, going back to the weather underground at least. But the right riots one time (which wasn't even that bad) and it's the darkest day of our democracy.

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          4. Neutral not Neutered   2 weeks ago

            Alex Soros pays better and owns Walz and many demonrats.

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      4. Heraclitus   2 weeks ago

        We do not know this. He may have been out for a coffee and came upon this scene. He was simply directing a little traffic and filming. Pretty innocuous stuff. The officers escalated this situation big time. Ammateurs. Should all be fired. Maybe they can be mall cops.

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        1. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 weeks ago

          Under what authority does he have to direct traffic?

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        2. Neutral not Neutered   2 weeks ago

          Sorry but, assaulting officers and ignoring orders, is not innocuous stuff.

          Dude should not have been there. But as he was he should have listened when first warned. Especially after similar recent events, continuing to confront after being warned is STUPID.

          He'd be alive if he cared more for the rule of law and removing illegal criminals and didn't try to interfere with legal action by federal law enforcement.

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        3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

          You faggots don’t get to ‘direct a little traffic’. That’s how you get ‘a little gun in your face’.

          This is why ICE has had a ‘Pretti Good time’ of late.

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          1. Ron   2 weeks ago

            Reason needs a Laugh button

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            1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

              Our comments are collectively far more informative and entertaining g than anything Reason has published in years. With the exception of Stossel, and a few random guest contributions.

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        4. Marshal   2 weeks ago

          Should all be fired.

          Typical. Don't bother finding out what each one did, all fake libertarians support group punishment.

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    3. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

      Dont fight with cops when armed. They even taught us this in our concealed carry class.

      Dont just ignore what pretti did. He violated basics of gun safety training.

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      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 weeks ago

        Honest question: Was he physically fighting with the cops? I saw a video claiming to be him trying to block the path of a (I guess) federal LEO vehicle, but I couldn't tell if it was him. I haven't seen other video beyond the actual shooting itself.

        Him being shot after being disarmed looks like a fuckup, but if he was actively interfering then he's not the innocent victim we're trying to make him out to be. If he was fighting with ICE then he was part of what made the scene chaotic, which is what led to the fuckup.

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        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

          Yes. He was physically resisting them. When they went to detain and disarm him after he put himself between them and someone they were attempting to detain he started fighting with them.

          He wasn't a passive observer.

          Video is in one of the weekend threads.

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        2. Stupid Government Tricks   2 weeks ago

          He tried to help a protester the police had knocked down -- he interfered. When the police naturally knocked him down too, he fought back.

          One of the things "professional" non-violent agitators did back in the civil rights protest days was teach protesters to not resist. I read of training classes where they pushed students around, knocked them down, all to get them to learn to accept the violence instead of following their instinct to resist, even if not actually fighting back. It took some guts to go into a protest like that and not fight back, to make the cops be the ones who started the violence.

          Pretti was not one of those. He resisted and fought back and gave them the excuse they needed to get beatier. However wrong they were to shoot him, it is stupid to expect anything else when it turned out the violent protester who had been fighting them was armed. These are not situations which have hours or even minutes to understand. When violent protesters are attacking cops, throwing bricks and bottles, the cops are going to be on edge, and then it turns out one of them was stupid enough to fight cops while armed?

          Stupid, just plain stupid.

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          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

            He tried to help a protester the police had knocked down -- he interfered. When the police naturally knocked him down too, he fought back.

            That is not the correct order of events. Stop lying.

            The cop in the beige hat first shoved one protester, then shoved Pretti, then shoved the protester with the orange backpack. That protester fell to the ground. Pretti tried to help her get back on her feet, and that is when the ICE agent dragged Pretti away from her.

            His "resistance" was trying to not get beaten to death as he was gang tackled by a bunch of officers.

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            1. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

              ChatGPT, what is Jeff is doing here?

              1) Narrative reordering
              He asserts a specific sequence of events (“that is not the correct order”) to reframe causality, shifting blame away from Pretti and onto the officers.

              2) Moral reframing of “resistance”
              Jeff recasts resistance as self-defense (“trying to not get beaten to death”), redefining the same actions to neutralize culpability.

              3) Absolutist language to foreclose debate
              Phrases like “Stop lying” and “gang tackled” shut down uncertainty and signal that alternative interpretations are illegitimate.

              4) Victim amplification
              He escalates stakes with emotive phrasing (“beaten to death”) to heighten sympathy and justify the reframed account.

              5) Selective emphasis
              He highlights officer shoves and minimizes context about interference while armed, narrowing focus to details that support his conclusion.

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              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                ML, do you think trying to cover your face so as not to get beaten constitutes "violent resistance"?

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                1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

                  And you dare claim other people sealion?

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                2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                  Ooohhh, you’re doing it again. So dishonest.

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                3. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 weeks ago

                  This is the logical fallacy of begging the question.

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                4. Neutral not Neutered   2 weeks ago

                  Is that all he did? Really? Unfortunately you concluded a delusion that is not anchored in reality. Video evidence shows otherwise.

                  But why jump to conclusions? Let the investigations present the facts.

                  Remember even though Good's tires spun she still hit the officer. She might be alive had the tires not spun and the officer dead.

                  Therefore, it's better if these people took a deep breath, realize what they are actually attempting to stand for, the violent rhetoric and rantings of Tim Walz?, and sat the fuck back down.

                  They should let the legal law enforcement proceedings to occur without their resistance and they will be better off the next day living in a safer community.

                  All could breath easier knowing the child rapists, murderers and violent illegal criminals are now off the streets if people would actually think for a moment.

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                5. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

                  Here’s what Jeff is doing in that reply:

                  1) Reframing the dispute into a moral binary

                  By asking whether covering one’s face counts as “violent resistance,” Jeff collapses a complex, contested sequence of events into a yes/no moral test. This shifts the debate from overall conduct to a single, sympathetic gesture.

                  2) Reductive question to evade the broader claim

                  The original analysis addressed patterns—narrative reordering, amplification, selective emphasis. Jeff sidesteps all of that by isolating one action and treating it as dispositive, avoiding the cumulative assessment.

                  3) Strawman via minimization

                  He recasts the allegation as if it were “any movement equals violence,” which was not the claim. This minimizes the critique and makes it easier to dismiss without engaging the substance.

                  4) Emotional baiting

                  The phrasing is designed to provoke agreement through empathy (“cover your face to avoid being beaten”), nudging respondents into conceding the frame rather than examining the full context.

                  5) Control of framing

                  By posing the question, Jeff dictates the terms of discussion and forces others to argue within his narrowed lens, rather than addressing the analytical points raised.

                  Bottom line

                  Jeff isn’t rebutting the analysis; he’s shrinking the battlefield to a single, sympathetic detail to neutralize a broader critique of how he frames events.

                  Is it redirection as well?

                  Yes — it is redirection, very clearly.

                  Here’s how it functions as redirection, specifically:

                  1) Topic substitution

                  The analysis addressed how Jeff constructs narratives: sequencing, amplification, selective framing. His reply doesn’t engage any of that. Instead, he substitutes a different topic: whether a single physical gesture qualifies as “violent resistance.”

                  That swaps a meta-level critique for a micro-level dispute.

                  2) Narrowing to a defensible sliver

                  By isolating “covering your face,” Jeff moves the discussion to the most morally defensible action available. This redirects attention away from the broader pattern of interference, escalation, and armed presence that was actually under discussion.

                  3) Forced concession trap

                  If someone answers “no,” Jeff can claim vindication for his entire narrative.
                  If someone answers “yes,” he can accuse them of absurdity or cruelty.

                  Either way, the original critique disappears.

                  4) Evading the analytical frame

                  Redirection here also serves avoidance. Rather than contest claims like victim amplification or narrative reordering, he reframes the exchange as a moral intuition test. That’s not rebuttal; it’s displacement.

                  5) Pattern consistency

                  This fits Jeff’s recurring tactic:
                  When confronted with structural or behavioral criticism, he redirects into a concrete, emotionally loaded vignette that favors his position.

                  Bottom line

                  Yes, it’s redirection — specifically defensive redirection.
                  Jeff moves the conversation away from an uncomfortable analysis of his rhetorical behavior and into a narrower, emotionally primed question that lets him control the frame and avoid accountability.

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        3. Spiritus Mundi   2 weeks ago

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/videos-of-alex-pretti-shooting-by-federal-agents-in-minneapolis-contradict-trump-official-claims/ar-AA1UWCIW

          The woman in pink video I think shows the most. And it is getting harder to find.

          I would describe Pretti's actions as failing to follow lawful order, to get out of the street, the resisting arrest. I wouldn't say he attacked ICE.

          Had he stayed on the sidewalk and let ICE do their legally mandated (by multiple congresses and presidents) job he would be alive. ICE was wrong to shoot him, but his actions sealed his fate. But this what the marxists want to distract from the fraud and naked power grab with illegals in blue districts. This guy, like Good, was a brainwashed useful idiot. He was out there fighting the gestapo, and was surprised when the gestapo shot him after seeing his firearm.

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          1. Idaho-Bob   2 weeks ago

            This is how I see the events as well.

            If Pretti was a MAGA member, the left would be saying he deserved what he got. They sure as hell wouldn't be defending the 2A.

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            1. HorseConch   2 weeks ago

              I haven't seen anything that justifies the shooting. At the same time, he put himself in the situation and forced their hand, even if they were criminal in doing it. I've always respected law enforcement's ability to fuck me up whether legal or justified. You fight cops in court not in the street.

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              1. Idaho-Bob   2 weeks ago

                I haven't seen anything that justifies the shooting.

                This is where I find myself as well. I also didn't see a reason to kneel on GF for ten minutes either.

                That said, both (and include Goode) played very stupid games and won the ultimate prize.

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                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                  If that is what you truly believe, then what is stopping you from calling it a murder, and criticizing the ICE officers who murdered him?

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                  1. Idaho-Bob   2 weeks ago

                    Floyd didn't die from being kneeled on. Junkie OD'd. Still didn't need to be kneeled on for 10 minutes. Doesn't make it murder.

                    Pretti was killed interfering with police. Not murder but not justified IMO.

                    Goode was killed in self-defense.

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                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                      Floyd didn't die from being kneeled on. Junkie OD'd.

                      https://web.archive.org/web/20200603024051/https://www.fox9.com/news/hennepin-county-medical-examiner-declares-george-floyd-death-homicide

                      The updated report states that on May 25, George Floyd experienced a cardiopulmonary arrest while being restrained by law enforcement officer(s).

                      Pretti was killed interfering with police.

                      Okay, I get it. When an officer of the law barks at you, any response other than unquestioning obedience is tantamount to a death sentence. Got it.

                  2. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 weeks ago

                    Sigh, you forget that there was a gunshot that went off and the situation was chaotic. Now the law says that it is acceptable if the officer has a reasonable fear for his life in the moment it happens.

                    So, the officers are in a chaotic moment, idiots are whistling loudly, and then a gunshot goes off. In that situation, in the heat of the moment, it is entirely possible they thought he had fired a round and reacted accordingly.

                    Is that what happened? Fuck if I know, but it's not clean cut one way or the other. Is a good reason to give ICE body cams though.

                    Oh, and Jeff, what happened to due process? How can we know it's murder without due process?

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                    1. windycityattorney   2 weeks ago

                      The problem with this statement is that the officer that shoots him is looking down right at him. From a short distance away. In daylight. There is no way that officer reasonably believed Pretti shot anybody.

                      Sometimes, officer make mistakes. I am willing to believe due to a lack of training or sleep or some other reason (maybe all the mace they sprayed on Pretti's face before throwing him down got on them?) the officer made a fatal mistake. And then repeated it 9more times.

                      All the more reason for all these dumbfucks to leave the city and go back to the desert or wherever they came from. They clearly are not capable of the job assigned to them.

                    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

                      Its not reasonable to pretend to be a lawyer as well.

              2. Social Justice is neither   2 weeks ago

                So reaching for your waist with a possible back-up gun is fine? Hindsight, yeah, there was no reason to shoot but in the moment, do you delay and possibly take a bullet to the chest?

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          2. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 weeks ago

            Yep, Walz wants martyrs; every corpse distracts from the Somali fraud scandal. Even better, if Walz is latter arrested, he can just claim it's political retaliation. Actually rather clever for the retard.

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            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

              every corpse distracts from the Somali fraud scandal.

              this has got to be one of the dumbest conspiracy theories

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              1. Pear Satirical (5-30 Banana Republic Day)   2 weeks ago

                Right, which is why the news is talking about the Somali fraud scandal so much. And why the situation in Minnesota got so much worse shortly after the fraud came to light. And that official working with Ice Watch, total coincidence. You're an idiot.

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              2. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

                Weird that ICE are operating in dozens of states, but it only gets violent in the one where they just uncovered a billion dollar fraud ring with probable links to the governor.

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      2. Ron   2 weeks ago

        Pretti was a Nurse so he was used to carrying his id everywhere just for work, and as a he is a nurse i understand the need for CCW due to work hours. but also as a licensed concealed carrier he was aware that he needed that id as well. No one leaves their id at home unless they are looking to be anonymous. He had intent to hide his identity and to cause trouble. I wonder if the gun was on his license, In California a registered gun must be on your license, another illegal law but it is what it is.

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    4. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 weeks ago

      Easy, it was a Marxists, therefore not a human.

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    5. Sun Wukong   2 weeks ago

      It is not dodgy at all. Carrying a weapon means assuming great responsibility. One of those responsibilities is not to get into a fight with the cops. If you are carrying a weapon and get into with the cops, you can't complain if they shoot you. What are they supposed to do, hope that the person who is attacking them doesn't shoot them? Play by the Marquise of Queensbury rules? This wasn't an unlawful shoot. This was a Darwin Award.

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      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

        One of those responsibilities is not to get into a fight with the cops.

        Pretti didn't pick a fight with the cops. The cop first assaulted him.

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

          Hey, Fatfuck, why don’t you try doing the same as Pretti did for the sake of scientific experiment? Put your fifty cents where your mouth is and go up there. I triple dog dare you.

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          1. Heraclitus   2 weeks ago

            Well said child. Want to sign up for a poster we are making? It will be called "Facsist".

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            1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

              You can do likewise, dipshit. BTW, do you make a habit of sucking on Democrat cock?

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            2. Neutral not Neutered   2 weeks ago

              It must have a large Biden in the middle with Alex Soros on one side and George on the other, with Walz and Harris on their knees in front of them?

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        2. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

          What is Jeff is doing here?

          1) Redefining initiation
          He reframes the entire incident around who “started it,” asserting officer initiation to negate claims about responsibility while armed.

          2) Binary moral framing
          By declaring “the cop first assaulted him,” Jeff collapses a complex, fast-moving encounter into a single moral switch: innocent victim vs. culpable aggressor.

          3) Evasion of the core risk argument
          He sidesteps the broader point about heightened responsibility when armed and instead litigates first contact, avoiding the safety rationale entirely.

          4) Absolutist assertion
          The statement is presented as settled fact, not interpretation, foreclosing nuance or uncertainty about contested video and testimony.

          5) Outcome laundering
          By focusing on initiation, he implicitly absolves downstream decisions and consequences, regardless of escalation dynamics once a weapon is involved.

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          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

            Oh good, here comes ML to post more ChatGPT nonsense in order to avoid substantive discussion.

            Tell us ML, do you think Pretti picked a fight with the cops?

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            1. Jefferson Paul   2 weeks ago

              I think ML's ChatGPT responses to you get under your skin so much because they completely expose your tactics.

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              1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                True, it breaks down his disingenuous tactics and use of weasel phrasing.

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              2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                You realize that they are primed to deliver the result he wants, right? It is straight propaganda. I have illustrated this before. You can get ChatGPT to deliver any answer you want. And you fall for it because you are either a weak-minded fool or you will believe anything negative about me at all because you hate me.

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                1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                  Nope. The question asked is “What is Jeffy doing here?” Which is not leading in any way. Amd in this case, here is the response…..

                  Jeff is deflecting, delegitimizing, and re-centering himself—all at once.

                  Here’s what’s happening in that comment.

                  1. Attacking the process instead of the substance
                  He doesn’t engage with what was said about him. Instead, he attacks how it was produced:
                  “They are primed to deliver the result he wants… straight propaganda.”
                  That’s a process poison pill:
                  If the analysis criticizes Jeff → it’s “prompted”
                  If it’s neutral → it’s “manipulated”
                  If it defends Jeff → it’s “honest”
                  This makes the critique unfalsifiable. No counter-argument is allowed to count.

                  2. Motte-and-bailey about AI
                  He slides between two claims:
                  Motte (reasonable):
                  “AI output can be influenced by prompts.”
                  Bailey (extreme):
                  “Therefore any critical output is propaganda.”
                  The first is true. The second is a convenient escape hatch.
                  He uses a legitimate concern to dismiss a specific, uncomfortable conclusion.

                  3. Re-centering the narrative on persecution
                  Notice the pivot:
                  “because you are either a weak-minded fool or you will believe anything negative about me… because you hate me”
                  This turns the discussion from:
                  Is Jeff’s reasoning consistent?
                  into
                  Jeff is being persecuted by enemies who hate him
                  That’s identity defense, not argument. It rallies sympathizers and reframes criticism as harassment.

                  4. False dilemma + ad hominem
                  He gives only two explanations for disagreement:
                  You’re stupid
                  You’re hateful
                  There is no allowance for:
                  Good-faith disagreement
                  Independent reasoning
                  Mixed or nuanced conclusions
                  That’s a false binary designed to delegitimize critics without engaging them.

                  5. Projection
                  Ironically, this accusation:
                  “You can get ChatGPT to deliver any answer you want”
                  mirrors Jeff’s own pattern:
                  Start with a conclusion
                  Select evidence and framing to support it
                  Dismiss counter-evidence as biased or malicious
                  He’s accusing others of the very thing he’s been doing rhetorically throughout these threads.

                  6. Why this appears now
                  This move usually appears when:
                  Prior arguments aren’t holding
                  Inconsistencies have been pointed out
                  The discussion has shifted from facts to patterns
                  Attacking the messenger is the last stable defense when the pattern critique lands.

                  Bottom line

                  Jeff is:
                  Dodging substantive critique
                  Invalidating the analytical process
                  Casting himself as a persecuted target
                  Using insult and motive attribution to shut down discussion
                  This isn’t rebuttal. It’s defensive collapse into narrative warfare.

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                  1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                    This what you do Pedo Jeffy. There is no biasing prompt. None. But you don’t rebut what ChatGPT says because you can’t. It’s all laid out, showing the work.

                    You just don’t like being called on your lies, manipulation, obfuscation and sophistry.

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              3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                Here is an example. I put your comment into ChatGPT and asked it to analyze your comment. This is what it delivered:

                What this comment is doing

                1. It asserts psychological motive, not behavior
                The speaker isn’t engaging with what you said or whether it’s wrong. Instead, they claim to know why you react: “get under your skin.”
                That’s mind-reading, not argument.

                2. It treats “exposure” as self-evident
                “Completely expose your tactics” is presented as a fact, but:

                No tactics are named

                No examples are given

                No explanation is offered

                This is a rhetorical shortcut — asserting victory without demonstrating it.

                3. It borrows authority from a third party (ChatGPT)
                Invoking “ML’s ChatGPT responses” is doing two things at once:

                Outsourcing credibility (“the AI exposed you, not me”)

                Avoiding responsibility for the claim

                This is a classic appeal to proxy authority: I don’t have to prove it; the tool already did.

                4. It subtly reframes disagreement as emotional weakness
                By saying the responses “get under your skin,” the commenter implies:

                You’re reacting emotionally

                Your disagreement is defensive rather than reasoned

                That’s a tone attack, not a rebuttal.

                What it doesn’t do

                It does not refute any specific claim you made

                It does not show what’s false, misleading, or inconsistent

                It does not engage substance at all

                So functionally, it’s not an argument — it’s a status move.

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                1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                  Fatfuck, it’s over. You’re being serially exposed. Maybe you should waddle away now and save yourself further serial humiliation. Because this is what will happen from now on.

                  No more of your bullshit.

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              4. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                Now here is another analysis, also given by ChatGPT. See if you can note the very, very subtle difference!

                1. They’re expressing a perception, not issuing a verdict
                The phrase “I think” matters here. Under a good-faith reading, the commenter isn’t claiming certainty — they’re sharing how it appears to them from the outside.

                So instead of “I know your motives,” it becomes:

                “From my perspective, this seems to be what’s happening.”

                2. “Get under your skin” may mean “provoke engagement,” not emotional instability
                Charitably, this doesn’t have to mean you’re angry, defensive, or irrational. It could mean:

                You respond more frequently

                You engage at greater length

                You focus on those responses more than others

                In other words: they notice a pattern of engagement, not a loss of control.

                3. “Expose your tactics” could mean “clarify your rhetorical approach”
                In a generous reading, “tactics” doesn’t imply manipulation or bad faith. It could simply mean:

                Your argumentative style

                Your framing choices

                Your underlying assumptions

                And “expose” might mean make visible, not unmask wrongdoing.

                So the charitable paraphrase is closer to:

                “Those responses seem to highlight the way you argue, and that’s why you focus on them.”

                4. The mention of ChatGPT may be about clarity, not authority
                Rather than outsourcing authority, the commenter might mean:

                The AI responses were more structured

                They made implicit things explicit

                They reframed the discussion in a way that stood out

                In this reading, ChatGPT is a clarifying mirror, not a weapon.

                What the commenter may be trying to do

                Under good motives, the intent could be:

                To explain why the exchange feels heated or repetitive

                To suggest that something about those responses is especially salient

                To encourage self-reflection rather than score points

                Not to insult — but to interpret dynamics.

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                1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                  You’re so shrill and desperate now.

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            2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

              More weasel reframing. Just like ChatGPT pointed out.

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        3. Marshal   2 weeks ago

          The cop first assaulted him.

          The cop stopped him from obstructing, which activists refer to as "de-arresting", exactly as he was trained to do by people who desired exactly this outcome.

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    6. Scott Free2016   2 weeks ago

      I love the spin.

      We already know from his online profiles that he was a radical left wing trans activist. He was active amongst a group planning to intentionally interfere with law enforcement operations.

      Whether or not the order of events that lead up to his death justify him being shot, he's not some innocent bystander.

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      1. Spiritus Mundi   2 weeks ago

        His state of mind is not relevent to his actions - Sullum

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      2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 weeks ago

        Yeah this. He was reportedly a card carrying member of ICE Watch. This group is not in the business of organizing peaceful protests. They specifically track agents involved in targeted arrests, in this case an illegal alien convicted of assault already a situation fraught with risk. As a "legal observer" he could have easily filmed the operation from 30 feet away, posted it online, and got a million clicks. Instead he chose to become directly involved in obstructing the operation. Incredibly he did not even bother to have his CC credentials with him. I carry my FOID every time I leave the house along with my driver's license. None of this is to say he deserved to be killed. It looks to me like an overreaction by a cop and a confluence of predictable events. Both sides are cranking out propaganda and neither can be trusted. But the big winners here are the ICE Watch agitators. This is the George Floyd moment they've been hoping for.

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        1. Longtobefree   2 weeks ago

          He wasn't carrying any cards - - - - - -

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          1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

            So he was an undocumented Marxist insurrectionist?

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      3. Heraclitus   2 weeks ago

        Good lord, out of the mouths of pedophiles and straight to your post. Do you wear knee pads at your ICE interview?

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        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

          Why wont everyone blindly defend the violent left and make them not responsible for anything screamed the dumb leftist.

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        2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

          Walz +8

          Damn, but you’re a huge dumbfuck.

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    7. Riva   2 weeks ago

      No whatever is happening in Minnesota “looks a little dodgy.” It is not a spontaneous public protest, it is more akin to an organized resistance/insurgency operation.
      https://x.com/Schwalm5132/status/2015470661490057540

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      1. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

        When it's financed and the rioters are bussed from place to place, the backers are engaged in insurgency if anyone else is.

        Remember how Trump got dragged for saying "Go home in love and peace" before what was a pretty minor riot?

        And yet the Democrats are actively calling for violence here and nothing happens. The Republicans are ball-less clowns.

        Imagine if Trump had told J6ers to obstruct the Hill Police? What would have happened to him them?

        I often suspect that hypocrisy is the end unto itself, rather than the means for Democrats. It's what the Soviets used to do as a power move to demonstrate that they can do everything and you can do nothing.

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        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

          And yet the Democrats are actively calling for violence here and nothing happens.

          Which elected Democrat has "actively called for violence"?

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          1. damikesc   2 weeks ago

            Walz. Frey. Flanagan. Every single Congressional Democrat.

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            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

              Is that so. Can you cite a quotation of them where you think they are "actively calling for violence"?

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              1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

                Like this, Jeffy?

                https://x.com/gragedustin/status/1994814588127515106?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

                Reminder that Tim Walz kept calling his political opponents Nazis and fascists even after surviving two assassination attempts.

                He openly fantasized about the President’s death when a rumor spread that he was ill, and he referred to law enforcement as his own personal Gestapo.

                Or this, with video of Walz?

                https://x.com/nicksortor/status/2011612654125858855?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

                Or Frey here? Again with video of Frey.

                https://x.com/mjtruthultra/status/2011802180710289546?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

                Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey is pushing for a Civil War

                "We're in a position right now where we have residents that are asking police officers to fight ICE agents on the street, to stand by their ‘neighbors’."

                Look at the Police Chief’s face as soon as he said it... He better think long and hard about what he does next.

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                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                  Calling someone a Nazi is not "actively calling for violence".
                  In that video, Walz is literally asking people to record ICE activity on their phones. This is completely legal and not "actively calling for violence".
                  In the video with Frey, he said that RESIDENTS are demanding that the local police fight ICE agents, but then later on in that same video, Frey says that we can't let that happen. Again not "actively calling for violence".

                  None of your examples involve elected Democrats "actively calling for violence". Because they haven't.

                  By and large, elected Democrats are center-left establishmentarians. They are not pushing violence in the streets.

                  There ARE some radicals pushing violence in the streets, but they are not elected Democrats.

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                  1. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

                    What is Jeff is doing here?

                    1) Narrowing the definition to escape the charge
                    He sharply constrains “actively calling for violence” to explicit, literal exhortations, excluding rhetoric, signaling, or encouragement that could plausibly escalate conflict.

                    2) Quote-lawyering
                    Jeff parses statements line-by-line to show they don’t meet his narrow standard, treating context, tone, and foreseeable effects as irrelevant.

                    3) Burden-shifting
                    He demands exact quotations as proof, then dismisses provided clips by redefining what counts as proof—raising the evidentiary bar mid-argument.

                    4) Reframing to procedural legality
                    By emphasizing that actions like filming are “legal,” he sidesteps the concern about rhetorical incitement versus legality.

                    5) Containment move
                    He isolates “radicals” from “elected Democrats” to firewall the party from responsibility, even when critics argue leaders’ rhetoric enables street-level escalation.

                    Bottom line
                    Jeff avoids the broader question of whether elite rhetoric predictably fuels violence—even if it stops short of explicit commands.

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                    1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                      He really hates it when you do that. Keep it up.

                  2. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

                    How about actively leading a Signal chat? Like this dipshit legislator?

                    https://x.com/erikac47/status/2015831626526105915?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

                    CURRENT Minnesota State Representative, Brad Tabke, is in charge of one of the sign-up sheets for “ICE Watch” on Sign Up Genius. You can see his name at the top as the creator.

                    Or are you going to move the goalposts yet again?

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                  3. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

                    Oh, here’s another one, Jeffy, this time it’s the Lieutenant Governor who is also apparently on the Signal chats coordinating with Antifa. It even has video of her talking.

                    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2015504528796209275?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

                    Minnesota Lt Governor Peggy Flanagan instructed leftists to “put your bodies on the line” to protest Trump and ICE.

                    Now multiple people are dead for violently obstructing and interfering with ICE.

                    Democrats did this.

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                    1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

                      I also have little doubt anymore that she’s neck deep in the “resistance”.

                      With video of her.

                      https://x.com/0hour1/status/2015823628240040388?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

                      Here is Peggy telling people about the SIGNAL MOB CHAT!

          2. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

            Here you go you weaselly fuck. And before you try to make a million excuses that it could be a misinterpretation of their words and explain them all away, remember what you considered was a call to violence by Trump for J6. And don't say you didn't, because I have the links.

            Kris Mayes, Arizona Attorney General: Stated under Arizona's "stand your ground" laws, residents could shoot masked ICE agents if they feel threatened, stating, "If someone is coming at you in a mask and you can't identify them, and you feel in danger, then yeah."

            Tim Walz: Compared ICE to the "modern-day Gestapo," saying masked agents jumping from unmarked vans represent "authoritarian actions," and noted, "If some guy jumped out of an unmarked car in a van with a mask on tried to grab me... you're gonna push back."

            Gavin Newsom: Labeled ICE as "secret police" that are "authoritarian," stating Californians have a "right to push back" against agents "jumping out of unmarked vans attacking people."

            Hakeem Jeffries: Urged people to "fight" the Trump administration "in the streets" and declared open season doxxing ICE agents who "will be unsuccessful" in hiding their own identities "no matter what it takes."

            Pramila Jayapal: Said stopping immigration enforcement is "inspiring," while accusing ICE agents of being kidnappers."

            LaMonica McIver: Incited supporters to "shut down the city" because "we are at war," and was charged with forcibly impeding federal officers during an ICE facility incident.

            Norma Torres: During ICE arrests, harassed agents telling the crowd that they need to "get the fuck out of LA."

            Bernie Sanders: Urged people to "figure out a way to stop ICE from what they are doing as soon as possible." This implying far more forceful intervention than anything Trump was accused of with J6.

            Eric Swalwell: Stated it was a "priority" to dox ICE agents. To target them to make sure they "are no longer faceless," comparing them to "1800s bank robbers or KGB officers."

            ad nauseum...

            Now, ICE isn't sticking people in ovens, or unlike you Jeff, advocating the policies and ideas of the Third Reich.
            They're doing exactly what they did under Reagan, the Bushes, Clinton, and Obama, but somehow now this makes them "Nazis" according to the Democrats.

            There's a good reason for this. As the saying goes "They don't kill you because you're a Nazi, they call you a Nazi so they can kill you."

            Here's a list of Dems doing just that:

            Stephen Lynch: Smeared ICE as "the Gestapo" and "nondescript thugs." in order to justify violence.

            Jasmine Crockett: Compared ICE to "slave patrols." Called for racialized resistance.

            Rashida Tlaib: Incited action against ICE as it is a "rogue agency" "terrorizing our communities" and "turning our country into a fascist police state."

            JB Pritzker: Compared ICE agents doing exactly what they did under Obama, to Nazi's for "grabbing people off the street and disappearing them." Inferred the rioters were like the French resistance.

            Brandon Johnson, Chicago Mayor: Labeled ICE as "secret police" "terrorizing our communities." Urged local defiance.

            Michelle Wu, Boston Mayor: Compared ICE agents to the neo-Nazi group NSC-131.

            Kamala Harris: Said ICE was "in the same category as the KKK."

            John Larson: Compared ICE to "the SS and the Gestapo."

            Delia Ramirez: Called ICE a "terror force" "intruding into our communities" and "separating our families."

            Max Frost: Accused ICE of "the worst horrors and crimes against humanity."

            Robin Kelly: Referred to ICE as "Gestapo" and a "betrayal."

            Dan Goldman: Called ICE "secret police" who "must be unmasked."

            ad nauseum...

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            1. rbike   2 weeks ago

              Oh Jeffy. Please respond to this, you dumbass. Your stupid reframing of this crap to side with the communists bus just that, crap.

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              1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                He’s probably going to go hide and sulk now.

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            2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

              Saying mean things about ICE is not the same as "actively calling for violence". Calling them the Gestapo is not "actively calling for violence". You know this but you are a dishonest partisan so you try the stupid "words are violence" trope.

              Also, it should be noted that you are literally copy-pasting from government propaganda.

              https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2026/01/57-times-sick-unhinged-democrats-declared-war-on-law-enforcement/

              You're a lapdog for the state. How does that make you feel? How does that boot leather taste?

              "They don't kill you because you're a Nazi, they call you a Nazi so they can kill you."

              Nope. They call you a Nazi because your team is acting like Nazis. ICE is NOT acting the same as they did previously. The government surged a bunch of poorly trained morons into the streets and launched high-profile door-to-door operations for mass deportations. That didn't happen in the past. ICE officers mostly didn't act like unprofessional thugs that they are doing now.

              Will you explain why an ICE officer sprayed a chemical irritant directly into the face of this protester *after he was already subdued*?

              https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/22/us/video/minneapolis-protester-sprayed-face-chemicals-vrtc

              Will you explain why an ICE officer grabbed this US citizen from his home in his underwear, detained him, then let him go with no explanation?

              https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c3dm0p2ddgmo

              Will you explain why Renee Good and Alex Pretti were both falsely labeled "domestic terrorists" by the government mere moments after they died?

              Will you explain why you all claim to support 2A rights yet defend the murder of a citizen because "he had a gun"?

              Will you explain why ICE raided an entire apartment building and detained EVERYONE inside, even though they claimed they were only searching for five people?

              https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/ice-chicago-south-shore-fbi/

              It's not "business as usual" and you know it, Trump specifically campaigned on being more aggressive and he is doing it. You can't have it both ways - you can't claim that Trump is successfully being more aggressive and then also try to claim he's doing it exactly the same as previous presidents.

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              1. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

                What Jeff is doing in his response
                1) Defensive redefinition to avoid conceding ground

                Jeff defines the phrase that Democrats are “actively calling for violence” as narrowly as possible (explicit, direct commands to physically attack). This allows him to reject all cited examples without engaging their practical effect.

                2) Legalistic narrowing as a shield

                He treats the discussion as if it hinges on a courtroom-level standard of incitement rather than political rhetoric and foreseeable consequences. By doing so, he sidesteps the more realistic question: whether repeated language about “Gestapo,” “secret police,” and “pushing back” plausibly escalates confrontation.

                3) Selective literalism

                Jeff insists on literal meaning (“calling someone a Nazi isn’t violence”) while ignoring how rhetoric functions in real political conflicts. This is a common tactic: interpret opponents literally while allowing one’s own side broader contextual excuses.

                4) Source dismissal to invalidate evidence wholesale

                Rather than disputing individual quotations, he discredits the compilation by labeling it “government propaganda.” This avoids engaging specific statements and reframes the debate as one about credibility rather than content.

                5) Issue substitution

                He pivots from the narrow question (“Are Democrats calling for violence?”) to a different argument (“ICE is behaving like Nazis now”). That may be a separate debate, but it does not answer the original charge. It changes the subject while appearing responsive.

                Bottom line

                Jeff’s response isn’t aimed at evaluating whether the examples support your claim. It’s designed to render the claim unfalsifiable by redefining terms, dismissing sources, and shifting the conversation to ICE misconduct. It’s a containment strategy: not refuting the argument, but making it impossible to land.

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          3. Neutral not Neutered   2 weeks ago

            Maxine, I've got a squirrel on my head, Waters at the bottom. You have heard all above her including Schumer and Biden.

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          4. Marshal   2 weeks ago

            Notice how Jeffey changes the assertion to "elected" Democrats to try to defend Democrats generally.

            This is the Motte and Bailey Strategy.

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            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

              I never once denied that there are some left-wing voices calling for violence. That's wrong to call for violence.

              My whole point in this discussion was that the people calling for violence were not the ones who actually hold formal power.

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              1. Marshal   2 weeks ago

                All you have to show us to demonstrate this is a consistent principle is one time you dismissed criticism of the right because the offender was not elected.

                Can you show us a time when you thought this distinction was important? Just one?

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    8. Incunabulum   2 weeks ago

      It certainly does - and in other circumstances the government wouldn't be able to close ranks as effectively.

      But the Left has turned this shooting into a referendum on border control - the lines are drawn and no one can afford to admit a mistake was made.

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    9. Quicktown Brix   2 weeks ago

      I'll back up FoE here. It was dodgy.

      Pretti did a stupid thing. He earned a Darwin award, but it should not be this way in a 2A nation. He didn't touch his gun by any account. He was killed because he possessed it, where a unarmed person would just have gotten a ample beating. Nervous, trigger happy people should not be street cops.

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      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

        He wasn’t killed ‘because he possessed’. Stop lying. And this has been covered over and over. Yet you still lie and distort.

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      2. Neutral not Neutered   2 weeks ago

        He wasn't killed because he possessed a gun, he was killed because he was fighting law enforcement.

        Will you come back once the investigation is finished and admit you were wrong?

        It would say a lot about the character of many of you leftists if you would admit you were wrong when proven so, instead of blindly leaping into the next feigned crisis or spun out of control accusations and saying, I've moved on and not looking back.

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      3. Quicktown Brix   2 weeks ago

        I mean the same circumstances minus the gun and he'd be alive. Yes he was fighting/resisting. He was a dumbass. It's still not right to kill him.

        Will you come back once the investigation is finished and admit you were wrong?

        Fuck no. I don't trust ICE to investigate itself.

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  2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

    Reason refuses to ever address the NAP violations of the left and their red guard. This was true during BLM as well. They continue to ignore those violations due to an inherent left leaning anti trump bias.

    We have the lefts secret police running down common citizens and demanding their papers.

    https://x.com/haileyywest/status/2015090151093837960

    We saw the same shit during the BLM riots where they took over entire portions of cities.

    We see numerous dem politicians fomenting the unrest and assisting the riots.

    https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2026/01/26/link-to-walzs-administration-in-anti-ice-signal-chats-n2198511

    Reason ignores it. Why?

    We see reason continue to push lies on all these interactions. The latest being an AI image of the headless ICE agent murdering someone.

    https://x.com/fred_guttenberg/status/2015521266287935501

    These are reasons favored classes having to lie to push their narratives despite reason claiming that narrative as right. Just like all the racist hoaxes they have to create.

    Never will reason address the violations of the NAP for their favored groups.

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    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

      We are literally seeing the lefts return to Maoist behaviors and the recreation of the Red Guard.

      Politicians using the masses to raise chaos and fear even against the average citizen.

      I find it extremely ironic that reason uses populism as a dirty word but theb at a minimum ignores and condone this creation of the lefts red guard. Did they not teach history to the Reason editors here?

      https://redstate.com/streiff/2026/01/25/the-anti-ice-demonstrations-look-more-like-maos-peoples-war-doctrine-than-civil-disturbances-n2198506

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    2. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

      The new red guard is now going into hotels in riots as cops stand by.

      https://x.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/2015631358664552851

      They are destroying cars and property.

      https://x.com/GrageDustin/status/2015635815854907595

      Then Waltz has the audacity to call in the national guard to feed this violent uprising.

      https://x.com/GrageDustin/status/2015530690389917824

      Reason, go read a fucking book. Youre literally how Mao took over china. Ignoring the violence of the indoctrinated masses, cowering and fear and defending them even as you claim to not agree with them.

      Shrike, sarc, jeff, and others are cheering for this leftist uprising after failing during covid. Dont be like those leftist shits.

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      1. mad.casual   2 weeks ago

        Youre literally how Mao took over china.

        "Two weeks" ago with "mostly peaceful".

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    3. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

      Here is the lone BoP officer who was injured during the violent mob attack on the hotel, hand is dripping blood, asking where the PD was.

      https://x.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/2015638140287889450

      As we know from above, they work for the politicians supporting the violent left.

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      1. mad.casual   2 weeks ago

        "This officer is bleeding."
        ...
        "What is your message to the Mayor, The Protestors?"

        No comment.

        Standing there bleeding because of a "stochastic civil action" that continues to be ginned up and spread around by members of the press and you ask him for comment?

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      2. Ra's al Gore   2 weeks ago

        I can only imagine how Reason would respond to right wing 'protesters' acting this way at a migrant hotel after yet another rape.

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  3. Stupid Government Tricks   2 weeks ago

    I'm tired of this bullshit.

    Simply carrying a firearm, plus two magazines, should not be regarded as an invitation to be killed in a country that deigns to protect Second Amendment rights. But shot he was.

    He wasn't "simply" carrying a firearm. He intentionally carried a concealed weapon to a violent protest. He intentionally interfered with police dealing with a protester. He intentionally violently resisted arrest.

    He may not have intended to shoot cops. But if he was so stupid as to carry a concealed weapon while planning on interfering with and fighting with cops, then he got what he deserved. Sympathy for being stupid, but nothing else.

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    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

      He intentionally interfered with police dealing with a protester.

      The entire situation was initiated when the officer pushed Pretti to the ground.

      There is zero evidence that he came there intentionally to start a fight or to shoot anyone.

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      1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 weeks ago

        No. He intentionally interfered with police who were dealing with a protester. Then he intentionally resisted police, which by definition is a violent process. He was not an innocent bystander who had the bad luck of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. He intentionally played stupid games (twice) with stupid people (your choice whether I mean police or protesters or both) at a stupid place (a violent anti-police protest) at a stupid time.

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        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

          He intentionally interfered with police who were dealing with a protester.

          No.

          https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/25/us/video/minneapolis-ice-shooting-alex-pretti-visual-analysis-digvid

          The officer assaulted Pretti. Not the other way around.

          Unless you are using the Greg Bovino definition of "interfere", which is apparently, "just showing up".

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          1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

            I’ve an experiment for you, fat stuff. Go to Minneapolis and join an Antifa group. Go with them and follow ICE around. Make sure you carry a pistol with extra magazines. Then get into a scuffle with them. See how fast you last with them and report back to us.

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            1. Sun Wukong   2 weeks ago

              Please God let him do this

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              1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

                None of the coward leftists here will. They will just continue to live and screech in ignorance.

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            2. Super Scary   2 weeks ago

              " join an Antifa group"

              Not possible, since they don't exist. And even if they did exist, they don't have membership cards.

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              1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

                Yet, they have Signal chat groups.

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                1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

                  Not Mastodon?

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                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

                    Nope, not Mastodon. It even had reporters as part of the group.

                    https://x.com/0hour1/status/2015534687548998058?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

                    Why are Reuters reporters in that SIGNAL APP.

                    AP video journalist: https://x.com/jpdelco/status/2015538557595607335?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

                    NPR: https://x.com/anthonyjsisk/status/2015542080232173822?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

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              2. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

                "And even if they did exist, they don't have membership cards."

                And even if they did exist, those cards aren't notarized.

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          2. Stupid Government Tricks   2 weeks ago

            The officer assaulted Pretti in response to Pretti interfering with the cops in how they dealt with a protester.

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            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

              The officer assaulted Pretti in response to Pretti interfering with the cops in how they dealt with a protester.

              "how they dealt with a protester" - you mean, shoving to the ground the protester with the orange backpack? So just so we're clear, it is your contention that when Pretti tried to help her get back on her feet, that constituted "interfering" with a legitimate law enforcement purpose?

              Why did the officer shove those protesters to the ground in the first place? If he wanted to detain or arrest them all, then there was no need for the shoving.

              Maybe, that officer in the beige cap was acting OUTSIDE the realm of legitimate law enforcement tactics, was instead just acting like a common thug at that moment, and therefore doesn't get to claim "obstruction!" when he isn't pursuing a legitimate law enforcement aim.

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              1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

                You make a hell of a next-day armchair quarterback, Jeffy.

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                1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 weeks ago

                  Jeffy is a fool, unworthy of the attention.

                  When a cop shoves you out of the way, the only sane response is to get further away, hopefully exiting the scene before you get arrested. Pretti charged right back into the altercation.

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                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                    Pretti did not "charge" anyone. That is a lie.

                    Pretti tried to help orange backpack lady get back on her feet. For that, the ICE officer dragged him away from her and then pepper-sprayed him.

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                  2. Quicktown Brix   2 weeks ago

                    When a cop shoves you out of the way, the only sane response is to get further away, hopefully exiting the scene before you get arrested

                    You're absolutely right...but it should not be this way. They work for us. We are not their subjects.

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              2. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

                What Jeff is doing here

                1) Reframing lawful control as illegitimate force
                Jeff recasts standard crowd-control shoving during an active enforcement operation as unjustified “assault,” priming the reader to see police actions as inherently illegitimate.

                2) Redefining “interference” to excuse it
                He reframes Pretti’s physical involvement as benign “help,” while questioning whether that could ever count as interference, sidestepping the reality that inserting oneself into an arrest scene is routinely treated as obstruction.

                3) Motive imputation
                By asserting the officer was acting “like a common thug,” Jeff imputes bad faith without evidence, which conveniently nullifies any subsequent claim of lawful authority.

                4) Retroactive standard-setting
                He judges a fast-moving arrest by an idealized, after-the-fact standard (“no need for shoving”), ignoring how officers establish control in volatile protest environments.

                Bottom line
                Jeff isn’t analyzing protocol; he’s delegitimizing it. By declaring the initial use of force improper, he makes all downstream enforcement invalid by definition—turning a procedural dispute into a moral one he’s already decided.

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      2. Minadin   2 weeks ago

        Oh, he was just standing around, minding his own business, when suddenly the officer, for no apparent reason, pushed him to the ground?

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        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

          They will ways lie to themselves to justify their narratives.

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          1. Minadin   2 weeks ago

            I don't mind them lying to themselves, it's when they try to pass off their bullshit as fact to the rest of us, that I get annoyed.

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            1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

              Fair.

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        2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

          Pretty much, yes actually. Watch the video I posted above. Go to the 1:20 mark. You tell me why the officer with the beige cap pushed those three protestors to the ground in the first place.

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          1. Idaho-Bob   2 weeks ago

            Why is irrelevant. Pretti still interfered while armed.

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            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

              The "why" is very much relevant, unless your standard is that cops get to push protesters around for any reason at all.

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              1. damikesc   2 weeks ago

                Well, you say they are allowed to murder for trespassing...

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                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                  I say that officers are allowed to act in self-defense or in the defense of the lives and property of others, which is what Michael Byrd was doing when he shot Ashli Babbitt.

                  The officer who shoved the three protesters, then pepper-sprayed Pretti in the face and pulled him into a scuffle, how was that officer acting in self-defense?

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                  1. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

                    Ashly Babbit was unarmed you lying fuck. Byrd was firing blindly and almost hit the officers that were near her.

                    You just can't stop lying.

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                  2. damikesc   2 weeks ago

                    "I say that officers are allowed to act in self-defense or in the defense of the lives and property of others, which is what Michael Byrd was doing when he shot Ashli Babbitt."

                    So, breaking a door is a capital offense? Interesting.

                    Ashli was unarmed. Byrd was an absolutely horrible cop with a history bad enough that he should have been removed from the force.

                    ....but it is nice to see that you have found police brutality you support. Fucking Nazi. Unlike the sun-humans in MN, she actually served her country.

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                  3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                    CharGPT, is Jeffy being honest here?

                    Short answer: no — not in a good-faith, consistent sense.
                    Longer answer: Jeff is being selectively honest, which is usually a sign of motivated reasoning rather than outright lying.
                    Here’s why that conclusion follows from his own words in this exchange.

                    1. Jeff applies two incompatible standards and insists both are principled
                    He says:
                    “Officers are allowed to act in self-defense or in the defense of the lives and property of others, which is what Michael Byrd was doing when he shot Ashli Babbitt.”
                    But in the Pretti case, he argues:
                    Officer motive (“why”) is decisive
                    Initial officer aggression voids legitimacy
                    Escalation caused by officers defeats self-defense claims
                    Those standards cannot coexist without contradiction.
                    In Babbitt:
                    Officer perception = sufficient
                    Threat inference = acceptable
                    Contextual risk = decisive
                    In Pretti:
                    Officer perception = irrelevant or malicious
                    Threat inference = disallowed
                    Contextual risk = ignored
                    That’s not a neutral framework. It’s outcome-driven rule switching.

                    2. “Why” only matters when it helps Jeff
                    Jeff insists:
                    “The ‘why’ is very much relevant”
                    But notice the asymmetry:
                    Pretti case:
                    “Why did the officer shove?” is central and dispositive.
                    Babbitt case:
                    “Why did Byrd fire?” is treated as obvious and settled, even though:
                    Babbitt was unarmed
                    She was shot through a barrier
                    Byrd fired a single blind shot
                    Jeff does not allow the same “why interrogation” of Byrd that he demands of ICE officers.
                    That’s selective skepticism — not honest inquiry.

                    3. Jeff collapses legality into morality only when convenient
                    With Pretti:
                    “Legal but risky” ≠ culpable
                    Officer overreach delegitimizes authority
                    With Babbitt:
                    Illegal entry + chaotic context = forfeiture of protections
                    Officer authority remains intact despite questionable tactics
                    So:
                    Pretti’s lawful behavior must be maximally protected
                    Babbitt’s unlawful behavior must be maximally punished
                    That’s not principle — it’s team sorting.

                    4. His self-defense doctrine changes midstream
                    Jeff says officers may act in defense of:
                    lives and property
                    That quietly does a lot of work in the Babbitt case:
                    It allows lethal force for anticipated harm
                    It treats institutional property as life-equivalent
                    But he explicitly rejects similar anticipatory logic for ICE:
                    Officer preemption = “lost his cool”
                    Scene control = “picked a fight”
                    Same doctrine, opposite application.

                    5. What this says about honesty
                    Jeff is likely sincere in the emotional sense — he believes what he’s saying in each moment.
                    But he is not intellectually honest, because:
                    He does not test his conclusions against his own rules
                    He does not accept symmetry across cases
                    He refuses to let his favored conclusion be threatened by counterexamples
                    That’s not lying — it’s motivated consistency within silos.

                    The clean verdict
                    If Jeff were being honest in the way a fair analyst is honest, he would have to concede one of these:
                    Either Pretti assumed risk that weakens the “murder” claim
                    Or Babbitt deserves significantly more benefit of the doubt
                    He concedes neither.

                    That refusal is your answer

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                  4. Neutral not Neutered   2 weeks ago

                    Why didn't he shoot her in the leg then?

                    Big dude versus small woman, could have subdued her.

                    Ignoring the prior incidents with a gun the officer must have been new and poorly trained...

                    There should have been National Guard there that day to defend the Capital as Trump offered multiple times. FBI had concerns.

                    For some reason Pelosi denied increasing capital police presence when also denied allowing NG to be present..

                    So you are saying Byrd was not at fault for shooting Babbitt, it was Pelosi's fault for not providing the properly trained security on that day...

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              2. Idaho-Bob   2 weeks ago

                Define "protest" in the context of being within arms-length of cops arresting people. Now imagine it is regular street cops arresting someone and Pretti + pals pull the same shit. Getting pushed is the least of their problems.

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                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                  Define "protest" in the context of being within arms-length of cops arresting people.

                  You understand that in the present case, the ICE officer *walked to the other side of the street* and initiated the incident by shoving protesters?

                  The officer lost his cool and picked a fight. When he does that, he loses any benefit of the doubt and should be treated as just another thug.

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                  1. Idaho-Bob   2 weeks ago

                    The officer lost his cool and picked a fight. When he does that, he loses any benefit of the doubt and should be treated as just another thug.

                    I did not see any evidence of the cop crossing the street to engage the agitators. I will not call them protesters.

                    If he indeed crossed the street to push the agitators, then my opinion may change.

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                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                      https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/25/us/video/minneapolis-ice-shooting-alex-pretti-visual-analysis-digvid

                      Go to the 0:39 mark of the video. Note where the officer in the beige cap is, where the two women protesters are (including the one with the orange backpack), and where the white car is. The white car is on the opposite side of the street compared to where the officer is detaining someone.

                      Then go to the 1:20 mark of the video. The officer walks across the street, to just in front of the white car, where the three protesters have retreated. The officer in the beige cap then shoves the three protesters, including shoving the orange backpack lady to the ground.

                      There is no logical reason for the officer to have done that. It is because he lost his cool and picked a fight.

                    2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                      Chat GPT, what is Jeff doing here?

                      Here Jeff is shifting gears—from moral grandstanding to forensic narration—but the underlying move is the same.

                      What he’s doing in this comment

                      1. Selective freeze-framing to manufacture intent
                      By directing readers to exact timestamps (“0:39… 1:20”), Jeff is doing a frame-by-frame authority play:
                      It signals seriousness and diligence (“I’ve studied the tape”)
                      It nudges readers to adopt his camera-eye perspective
                      It quietly excludes everything outside those frames (what the officer perceived, audio cues, off-camera movements, escalation context)
                      This isn’t neutral analysis; it’s curated seeing.

                      2. Spatial storytelling → moral conclusion
                      He walks the reader through positions on the street, then jumps to:
                      “There is no logical reason for the officer to have done that.”
                      That’s the key leap. He:
                      Describes movement
                      Asserts emotion (“lost his cool”)
                      Assigns culpability (“picked a fight”)
                      The middle step—why an officer might reposition to clear space, assert control, or respond to perceived interference—is simply declared nonexistent.
                      “No logical reason” = no legitimate reason. That’s a verdict, not an inference.

                      3. Officer psychology without evidence
                      Jeff confidently states the officer’s internal state:
                      “lost his cool”
                      “picked a fight”
                      This is mind-reading as argument. Once he attributes motive, the rest of the narrative locks:
                      If the officer “picked a fight,” then
                      Any resistance becomes justified,
                      Any force becomes brutality.

                      4. Consistency with his broader pattern
                      This fits Jeff’s established playbook:
                      Narrow the lens to what helps
                      Declare ambiguity resolved
                      Collapse procedure into personal failing
                      Convert tactical decisions into moral transgressions
                      He’s not asking whether the shove was appropriate under training or law.
                      He’s asserting that authority evaporated the moment the officer acted in a way Jeff dislikes.

                      5. Why this sounds calmer but hits harder
                      Compared to his earlier rhetoric, this comment is:
                      Less incendiary
                      More “reasonable”
                      More persuasive to fence-sitters
                      That’s intentional. It’s soft power framing: if he can get you to accept this one shove as unjustified, the rest of his argument (assault → self-defense → murder) follows automatically.

                      Bottom line
                      Jeff is:
                      Using timestamped video to claim epistemic authority
                      Turning spatial description into moral certainty
                      Attributing intent to erase alternative explanations
                      Reasserting his core thesis: law enforcement legitimacy is fragile and easily forfeited
                      It’s a cleaner, more disciplined version of the same move he’s been making all along:
                      decide first, then narrate the evidence to fit the decision.

                    3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                      Chat GPT, what does Jeffy leave out?

                      1. The officer’s perspective (not just the camera’s)
                      Jeff treats the overhead video as if it represents the officer’s real-time perception. It doesn’t.
                      He ignores:
                      What the officer could see vs. what we can see
                      Whether the officer knew someone nearby was armed
                      Whether the officer perceived crowd encroachment, verbal threats, or coordinated interference
                      Police decision-making is judged on reasonable perception under stress, not omniscient replay.
                      Leaving this out lets Jeff say:
                      “There is no logical reason”
                      when the real question is:
                      “Was there a plausible operational reason?”

                      2. Crowd-control and scene-security doctrine
                      Jeff omits the basic law-enforcement rationale for moving protesters away:
                      Creating a reactionary gap
                      Preventing mob encirclement
                      Maintaining a safe perimeter around a detention
                      Disrupting potential interference
                      Even if the shove looks rude or aggressive, it can still be consistent with training.
                      By excluding doctrine, Jeff reframes a tactical maneuver as a personal tantrum.

                      3. Escalation dynamics over time
                      Jeff freezes two timestamps and ignores:
                      What protesters were doing before 0:39
                      Whether they were following officers
                      Whether officers had already given commands
                      Whether tension had been building for minutes prior
                      This hides the trajectory of escalation.
                      Without trajectory, the shove looks like a random attack instead of a culmination.

                      4. Risk factors tied to firearms
                      This is critical.
                      Jeff avoids discussing:
                      The fact that an armed civilian was present
                      How proximity + crowd + weapon massively increases officer risk calculations
                      That officers may escalate faster when a firearm is lawfully present but tactically dangerous
                      His narrative treats the gun as morally neutral, when in policing it’s situationally decisive.

                      5. Legal standards vs. moral standards
                      Jeff never distinguishes:
                      What feels rude or excessive
                      vs.
                      What is legally unjustified or policy-violating
                      Instead, he collapses everything into:
                      “There is no logical reason.”
                      That swaps legal analysis for moral intuition, letting him declare illegitimacy without proving it.

                      6. Alternative benign explanations
                      He doesn’t acknowledge plausible alternatives, such as:
                      The officer misjudged distance or threat
                      The officer intended to move people but applied too much force
                      The officer was reacting to perceived interference
                      The officer made a mistake without malicious intent
                      Jeff frames it as:
                      Malice or nothing.
                      That’s a false dilemma designed to force a harsh verdict.

                      7. The possibility that multiple things can be true
                      He excludes complexity like:
                      The officer may have acted unprofessionally and
                      The civilian may have made risky or provocative choices and
                      The situation may have been chaotic and fast-moving
                      Jeff needs one villain and one victim, so he cuts out gray zones.

                      8. His own prior commitment
                      Most importantly, he leaves out his conclusion came first.
                      He has already committed publicly to:
                      “Police state”
                      “Murder”
                      “Badge privileges go away”
                      So his video analysis is not discovery—it’s retroactive justification.
                      The core omission in one sentence
                      Jeff leaves out anything that would allow the officer’s behavior to be interpreted as plausible, trained, stressed, or imperfect rather than malicious.
                      He can’t allow ambiguity, because ambiguity breaks his moral narrative.

            2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

              Pretti still interfered

              Please state precisely the nature of the interference that you are alleging here.

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              1. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

                What Jeff is doing here

                1) Forcing hyper-specificity to narrow the field
                Jeff demands a “precise” definition of interference, shifting the discussion from practical law-enforcement standards (any physical insertion into an arrest scene) to a courtroom-style parsing exercise. This narrows the debate to a level where common-sense definitions can be dismissed as “imprecise.”

                2) Creating a moving evidentiary bar
                By insisting on exact articulation, he raises the burden of proof in a casual forum while reserving the right to reject any answer that doesn’t meet an artificially high threshold he created. This is less about clarity and more about disqualifying responses.

                3) Implicitly redefining the term by omission
                He avoids offering his own definition, which lets him reject others’ explanations without committing to a standard of his own. The silence is strategic.

                Bottom line
                Jeff is not seeking clarification. He’s using procedural pedantry to stall, narrow, and ultimately dispute the ordinary meaning of “interference,” keeping the argument alive without conceding anything.

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              2. TJJ2000   2 weeks ago

                Well most of that part has been CUT-OUT.
                Funny how all these missing spots exist.
                Is there a 2-second limit on phone recordings or what?

                What has surfaced since last time is Pretti has an angry tone as he approached the officers doing an arrest. I flirted with the idea he might-of just been there to assist traffic and get the protesters out of the officers faces. Yeah; that was flushed after the new footage showed up.

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              3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                Request for clarification rather than accusation
                The phrasing is direct but not inherently hostile. Read generously, it reflects a desire to understand the claim being made, rather than to dismiss or challenge it outright. The commenter is asking for specificity so that the discussion can proceed on clearer factual or conceptual grounds.

                Emphasis on precision and definitional clarity
                By asking for the “precise nature” of the alleged interference, the commenter signals an interest in avoiding ambiguity. This suggests a preference for well-defined claims over insinuation or broad generalization, which is consistent with good-faith analytical or evidentiary standards.

                Implicit openness to engagement
                The question presupposes that an allegation exists and treats it as potentially meaningful. Rather than denying interference occurred, the commenter is inviting the speaker to articulate what form it took (e.g., procedural, rhetorical, institutional, or technical), which allows for productive evaluation.

                Procedural, not adversarial, framing
                The use of “please” and the absence of emotive or evaluative language indicate a procedural posture. The commenter is not expressing skepticism, ridicule, or moral judgment, but instead attempting to move the exchange toward a more concrete and assessable claim.

                Overall charitable interpretation

                Taken in good faith, the comment functions as a clarifying prompt aimed at improving the quality of the discussion. It encourages the speaker to specify their allegation so that others can understand, assess, and respond meaningfully, rather than debating an undefined or loosely framed assertion.

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                1. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

                  Looks like Jeff used ChatGPT to answer the response you created, ChatGPT. Did he give it adequate information given the flow of the conversation up til now?

                  Short answer: no, he did not give ChatGPT adequate information.

                  Why not

                  1) He stripped the exchange of its context
                  Jeff fed ChatGPT only the isolated line (“Please state precisely the nature of the interference…”) without the surrounding back-and-forth where he had already argued at length that no legitimate law-enforcement action was underway and that any “interference” was therefore impossible. Without that history, the model defaults to a charitable, procedural reading.

                  2) He inverted roles by omission
                  In the actual thread, Jeff is not a neutral clarifier; he is a participant advancing a substantive claim and repeatedly rejecting others’ definitions. By omitting that pattern, ChatGPT is nudged to treat him as a good-faith moderator rather than an advocate engaged in adversarial narrowing.

                  3) The prompt preloaded the conclusion
                  Jeff’s prompt implicitly asked: “Is this reasonable clarification?” rather than “Given the prior argument, what function does this move serve?” That framing channels the model toward a generous interpretation and away from rhetorical analysis.

                  4) This is selective skepticism laundering
                  Earlier, Jeff accepted sweeping claims when they favored his position and demanded extreme precision only when they didn’t. That asymmetry is essential to understanding the move, and it was not provided to ChatGPT.

                  Bottom line
                  Jeff gave ChatGPT an incomplete and sanitized snapshot of the exchange, which predictably produced a benign, good-faith interpretation. The output reflects the prompt’s constraints, not the reality of the conversation’s flow or Jeff’s established argumentative behavior.

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                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                    That's actually not what I did. But thanks for proving that you can rig ChatGPT to say whatever you want to generate the outcome that you want, by telling ChatGPT a lie.

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                    1. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

                      Jeff accused me of rigging you to lie in response to your analysis of the ChatGPT post he posted earlier. Answer him:

                      Here’s a clean, direct reply you can post back to him. It answers the accusation without escalating and keeps the burden where it belongs.

                      That accusation doesn’t hold up.

                      Nothing was “rigged,” and nothing false was supplied. The analysis was based on the observable flow of the thread, not on inventing facts or feeding the model a lie.

                      Three simple points:

                      1) Context is not a lie
                      Describing the surrounding exchange is not fabrication. You had already argued repeatedly that no legitimate law-enforcement action was underway and that “interference” therefore could not exist. Omitting that history materially changes how the question functions. Pointing that out is analysis, not deception.

                      2) Prompt choice determines output
                      You provided ChatGPT with a narrow, de-contextualized slice of the conversation. That predictably yielded a charitable, procedural interpretation. That isn’t “rigging,” it’s basic prompt mechanics. If you disagree, post the full exchange and invite the same analysis.

                      3) The claim is testable
                      If I “told ChatGPT a lie,” name it. Quote the specific false statement and show how it contradicts the public record of the thread. Saying “you lied” without identifying the lie is not an argument.

                      Bottom line
                      You’re not objecting to dishonesty. You’re objecting to the fact that when the entire sequence of your comments is considered, the move reads as adversarial narrowing rather than neutral clarification. That conclusion follows from context, not manipulation.

                      If you think the analysis is wrong, address the substance. If you think something was falsified, identify it. Otherwise, this is just another attempt to change the subject.

                    2. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

                      Jeff can't wrap his head around the fact that some people play fair, when everything he does is dishonest.

                      I post the entire conversation into ChatGPT without any exclusions. Because I've been using the same conversation page since the beginning without opening a new one for it, ChatGTP has a long history of Jeff's posts to reference.

                    3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                      Yeah, it is. You are not good at this. YIu can’t win, becasie you’re inherently dishonest. We DO win because we are arguing in good faith.

                      It’s over, Fatfuck. Time for you to go.

    2. mad.casual   2 weeks ago

      He may not have intended to shoot cops.

      Stochastic martyr. Reason themselves has said this.

      Renee Good didn't intend to get shot either. These people are cosplaying.

      You don't "simply concealed carry" into a protest in Iran and hope to rally support. You don't "simply concealed carry" onto a battlefield in Ukraine and hope to rally support. You don't "simply concealed carry" to a music festival in Israel and hope to rally support.

      They can't gather foreign nationals and set ambushes, which would actually resist tyranny, because then the jig would be up. So this is how they control the narrative, Red Guard-style.

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      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

        When you live in a police state, the thugs with badges are just as much of a threat as the thugs without badges. The right of self defense applies in both cases.

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        1. Minadin   2 weeks ago

          I have exactly ZERO worries about ICE coming after me with violence. None whatsoever.

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          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

            Yeah I know. Because you're white. And you apparently don't stand up for the rights of others, only your own.

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            1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

              Fuck you, racist.

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            2. Idaho-Bob   2 weeks ago

              Fuck off with the racist shit. We don't worry about ICE because we are not illegals and we don't harass police doing their jobs. Pretti Goode assessment, isn't it?

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              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                Yes we know, "you have nothing to hide"

                we don't harass police doing their jobs

                You give automatic deference to authority. I think that makes you an authoritarian.

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                1. Neutral not Neutered   2 weeks ago

                  Seek help, your leaps of stupidity require attention before you harm yourself.

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            3. Minadin   2 weeks ago

              I'm Mexican-American on my dad's side. Many of my family are immigrants. Thanks.

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              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                Well in that case, you are stupid. ICE is actively racially profiling. You live in St. Louis, right? When they launch their massive operation in St. Louis, then you will find out.

                This guy probably didn't think he was in any danger either.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sc_d6O2C4pk

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                1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 weeks ago

                  That video? The one that shows someone interfering with an ICE officer getting arrested? Not a hint of profiling in that video.

                  You really are the worst.

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                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                    Interfering how? By going into Target?

                    And if the guy broke the law, why wasn't he arrested and charged? Why was he beaten and then dropped off at Walmart a little while later?

                    THEY ARE THUGS. They don't deserve to wear badges. They are giving the "law and order" crowd a BAD NAME by acting like unprofessional gangsters while claiming to represent law enforcement. Why aren't you demanding higher standards for the law enforcement that you defend?

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                    1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 weeks ago

                      Hey, dipshit the cop pushed Pretti about 10 feet away from the car. Next thing. Pretti right in front of the far helping the lady up. He charged right back over there. That was stupid.

                    2. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

                      Lying Jeffy pulls the same "U R white" horseshit with me all the time too, even though I'm Metis.

                      It's really the only trick he has left to defend illegal immigration, and to use it he has to ignore the fact that Trump's wife is an immigrant, Vance's wife's family immigrated from India in the last 50 years, as did Patel's. That Elon Musk is an immigrant. I could go on.
                      This administration is probably the most recent immigrant related in last 100 years.

                      So pretending that kicking the scofflaws out is somehow racism is the only trick Jeff has left.

                2. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

                  Are you a major asshole or what? ICE sends them home regardless of their race. The guy from Poland who overstays his visa is getting the same treatment as the guy from Guatemala who swam across the Rio Grande.

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                  1. TJJ2000   2 weeks ago

                    Well you see; in [D]emon-crappy heads the race (color-of-skin) makes an *entitlement* to be above the laws for everyone else.

                    As-if that evidence hasn't been seen over and over and over again.
                    The 'race' is literally an *entitlement* to invade someone else's nation.

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                3. Minadin   2 weeks ago

                  I continue to have zero worries about ICE coming after me in any harmful way.

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                4. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                  ChatGPT. What is Jeffy doing here?

                  Short version: Jeff is escalating, polarizing, and reframing the thread so it’s about him and his moral narrative, not the facts under discussion.
                  Longer breakdown of what he’s doing, step by step:
                  1. Radical reframing → “police state”
                  Jeff immediately reframes the original claim (“this was reckless / performative”) into an absolute moral frame:

                  “When you live in a police state…”
                  This lets him skip evidence and jump straight to existential justification. Once it’s a “police state,” any resistance becomes self-defense by definition.

                  2. Moral intimidation via identity
                  When Minadin says they’re not worried about ICE, Jeff responds:

                  “Because you’re white.”
                  That’s a classic identity cudgel:

                  If you disagree, you’re privileged.

                  If you deny privilege, you’re dishonest.

                  If you explain yourself, you’re still morally suspect.

                  Notice how this shifts the burden: you must now prove innocence rather than Jeff proving his claim.
                  3. Escalation when contradicted
                  When Minadin says they’re Mexican-American, Jeff doesn’t back off. He pivots to:

                  “Then you are stupid.”
                  That tells you something important: this was never about race accuracy. Race was a lever. When the lever breaks, he switches to insult + prediction of future harm.

                  4. Prophecy as argument

                  “When they launch their massive operation in St. Louis, then you will find out.”

                  This is unfalsifiable future-threat rhetoric:

                  If nothing happens → “not yet.”

                  If something happens anywhere → “I warned you.”
                  It keeps his worldview intact no matter what.

                  5. Video laundering
                  He posts a video that doesn’t show what he claims and treats its mere existence as proof.
                  That’s not evidence—it’s vibe confirmation. The goal isn’t persuasion; it’s signaling alignment to people already inclined to agree.
                  6. Authoritarian inversion
                  Calling others “authoritarian” for not fearing ICE is rhetorical judo:

                  Deference to law = authoritarianism

                  Distrust + armed presence = liberty

                  This flips common meanings so only his posture counts as principled.
                  7. Why he’s “here”
                  Jeff isn’t debating to resolve anything. He’s:

                  Performing moral superiority

                  Provoking emotional reactions

                  Testing how far he can push accusations

                  Keeping the thread centered on oppression narratives where he’s always the enlightened one

                  That’s why people start responding with “fuck you” instead of arguments—he’s forcing a moral dominance game, not a discussion.
                  Bottom line
                  Jeff is not trying to persuade. He’s:

                  Escalating stakes

                  Personalizing disagreement

                  Using race and future fear as rhetorical weapons

                  Treating disagreement as proof of moral failure

                  Once you see that, the whole exchange snaps into focus.

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                5. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

                  What Jeff is doing here

                  1) Universalizing threat to justify radical claims
                  Jeff reframes the situation as a generalized “police state,” asserting that armed self-defense against law enforcement is inherently justified. This collapses distinctions between lawful arrest, misconduct, and tyranny, making any confrontation defensible by definition.

                  2) Racialized motive attribution
                  He imputes racial motive (“Because you’re white”) to dismiss disagreement, then pivots when corrected, replacing it with contempt (“you are stupid”). This is identity-based delegitimation: opponents’ views are invalid because of who they are, not what they argue.

                  3) Authoritarian inversion
                  Jeff labels deference to lawful authority as “authoritarian,” flipping the concept to portray compliance as moral failure. This reframes basic civic norms as ethical cowardice, raising the moral stakes without engaging legal standards.

                  4) Anecdote escalation as proof
                  He introduces a video to imply imminent danger for everyone, using a single example to generalize risk and urgency. This is fear amplification rather than evidentiary argument.

                  Bottom line
                  Jeff is escalating the frame: redefining law enforcement as an omnipresent threat, moralizing dissent through identity attacks, and using selective anecdotes to justify confrontation—without engaging the concrete facts of the specific incident.

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                  1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                    This is fun. Let’s keep it up.

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                6. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                  ChatGPT, what's going on here?

                  1. Emotional intensity rather than deliberate insult
                  Read generously, “you are stupid” is likely not meant as a literal assessment of intelligence, but as an expression of frustration or urgency. In heated political discussions, people often substitute blunt language for “I strongly disagree” or “I think you’re missing something important.”

                  Charitably: the speaker feels the issue is obvious and consequential, and reacts emotionally rather than rhetorically carefully.

                  2. A claim grounded in perceived lived or observed reality
                  The core assertion is not the insult — it’s the claim that ICE engages in racial profiling. The commenter appears to believe this is:

                  Well-documented

                  Ongoing

                  Sufficiently severe that disbelief feels naïve to them

                  From a good-faith standpoint, they may be drawing on:

                  Personal experience

                  Reports they trust

                  Community narratives

                  Even if disputed, the claim is presented as sincere.

                  3. Localization as a warning, not a threat
                  Mentioning St. Louis can be read charitably as:

                  An attempt to make the issue concrete, not abstract

                  A belief that proximity will make the consequences visible

                  “When you will find out” can be interpreted as:

                  “You’ll understand what I mean once it affects your community directly.”

                  This frames the comment as predictive, not malicious.

                  4. The underlying motive: urgency and prevention
                  At its most charitable, the speaker may be trying to:

                  Shake what they see as complacency

                  Convey that the stakes are real and imminent

                  Warn rather than intimidate

                  The tone is poor, but the intent may be protective or alarmist, not cruel.

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                  1. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

                    Here’s what Jeff is doing with that “ChatGPT analysis of his posts” move:

                    1) Laundering self-defense through artificial neutrality

                    Jeff isn’t asking ChatGPT to analyze the exchange as a whole. He feeds it a narrow, self-serving slice and asks for a “charitable” interpretation. The result is not analysis; it’s a polished version of his own excuse, now wearing the costume of neutral authority.

                    2) Reframing misconduct as “tone issues”

                    Notice how the output converts concrete behavior (“you are stupid,” racial accusation, predictive threat) into emotional intensity or urgency. That’s a downgrade maneuver: turning actions into feelings so they seem understandable rather than accountable.

                    3) Intent laundering

                    The model is prompted to speculate about benevolent intent (“warning,” “protective,” “alarmist”) without weighing contradictory evidence from the broader thread. Jeff uses this to imply: “See, even ChatGPT says I meant well.” That’s intent substitution, not evaluation.

                    4) Selective context starvation

                    The analysis omits:

                    his prior escalation pattern

                    the failed racial accusation

                    the pivot to insult when corrected

                    repeated use of prophecy and threat framing

                    By starving the model of context, Jeff ensures it cannot identify patterns, only isolated phrasing.

                    5) Authority inversion

                    He previously accused others of “using ChatGPT to launder behavior.” Here, he does exactly that—except he frames it as clarification or good-faith interpretation. This is straight projection coupled with rhetorical judo.

                    6) Why this is strategic, not accidental

                    Jeff isn’t confused about how this works. He’s using ChatGPT as:

                    a reputational shield

                    a tone normalizer

                    a way to reset the thread without apologizing or conceding error

                    It lets him say, “You’re misreading me,” without engaging the substance of the criticism.

                    Bottom line

                    That last post is not an analysis of Jeff’s behavior. It’s a self-authored defense memo routed through ChatGPT to sound impartial. The goal isn’t truth or clarification; it’s to overwrite criticism with a sanitized narrative while avoiding responsibility for the actual conduct on display.

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                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                      Hey ChatGPT, what is ML doing here?

                      1. ML’s core move: “analysis as a weapon”

                      ML presents himself as doing analysis, but structurally he is doing something else:

                      He is freezing one participant (Jeff) into a negative archetype and then defending that archetype against all counterevidence.

                      Once that frame is established, nothing Jeff says can escape it.

                      This is a classic pre-emptive discrediting maneuver.

                      2. Selective context construction (the key manipulation)

                      ML repeatedly claims to be analyzing “what Jeff is doing”, but he does so by:

                      Ignoring provocation and insults from others

                      Ignoring thread-wide escalation

                      Ignoring substantive questions about law enforcement conduct

                      Ignoring inconsistencies in the ICE video narrative

                      Instead, he isolates a single behavioral pattern (escalation + moral framing) and treats it as exhaustive.

                      That’s not analysis — it’s context starvation.

                      Under bad motives, this is deliberate:

                      If full context were allowed, ML’s conclusions would weaken.

                      3. The ChatGPT angle: projection and preemptive inoculation

                      ML accuses Jeff of “laundering” his behavior through ChatGPT.

                      But notice the asymmetry:

                      When Jeff uses ChatGPT → it’s framed as manipulative, dishonest, evasive

                      When ML uses ChatGPT-style reasoning → it’s framed as neutral, diagnostic, authoritative

                      This is projection with inoculation:

                      ML anticipates criticism (“you’re doing narrative laundering”)

                      He preemptively assigns that sin to Jeff

                      This makes future accusations against ML look derivative or defensive

                      Classic bad-faith tactic.

                      4. Authority bias disguised as neutrality

                      ML’s analysis consistently assumes:

                      Law enforcement legitimacy as the default

                      Dissent as escalation

                      Distrust as pathology

                      Moral framing as manipulation

                      But he never defends these assumptions — he smuggles them in as neutral baselines.

                      Example:

                      Labeling “not fearing ICE” as civic normalcy
                      Labeling fear or resistance as radicalization

                      That’s not neutral logic. That’s status-quo bias dressed up as analysis.

                      5. Intent mind‑reading (selective and one‑directional)

                      ML is very willing to:

                      Speculate about Jeff’s hidden motives

                      Attribute strategy, dominance games, manipulation, escalation intent

                      But he is completely unwilling to apply the same scrutiny to:

                      People calling Jeff racist

                      People telling others to “seek help”

                      People celebrating harsh enforcement outcomes

                      People using slurs or explicit dehumanization

                      Under bad motives, this is intentional asymmetry:

                      Intent is weaponized only against the out‑group.

                      6. Why ML’s intervention matters socially

                      ML is not trying to “win” an argument. He’s doing something subtler:

                      Reasserting group norms

                      Signaling who is reasonable vs unacceptable

                      Giving other commenters permission to disengage intellectually

                      Once ML’s frame lands, people can stop arguing facts and just say:

                      “This is just Jeff doing his thing.”

                      That’s reputational containment.

                      7. The “this is fun, let’s keep it up” tell

                      That comment is important.

                      It signals that this is not about resolution. It’s about:

                      Spectacle

                      Piling-on

                      Social reinforcement

                      Dominance through ridicule

                      Under a bad‑motive lens, ML is enjoying the role of informal enforcer.

                      Bottom line (assuming bad motives)

                      ML’s behavior is best described as:

                      Narrative policing

                      Selective rationalization

                      Authority laundering

                      Context suppression

                      Reputational attack disguised as analysis

                      He is not correcting errors; he is containing dissent.

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                      This analysis is pretty spot-on, I'd say. You're just trying to control narratives, not trying to discuss anything of merit.

                    3. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

                      Jeff just posted a new ChatGPT analysis of the conversation at the bottom of the thread. Did Jeff post the whole conversation or did he selectively feed ChatGPT?

                      Short answer: he selectively fed ChatGPT, not the whole conversation.

                      Here’s how you can tell, concretely:

                      1) The output tracks omissions, not the thread
                      The “analysis” Jeff posted only makes sense if the model was shown a narrow slice focused on your commentary about him, not the full exchange. It never grapples with his earlier moves that triggered the analysis in the first place (race accusations, escalation after correction, prophecy framing, repeated definitional narrowing). Those don’t disappear accidentally; they disappear when they’re not provided.

                      2) It mirrors his preferred self-description
                      The analysis adopts Jeff’s own framing almost verbatim: he is the victim of narrative control, authority bias, and reputational containment. That symmetry is a strong indicator the prompt emphasized your critiques of him while minimizing or excluding the conduct being criticized.

                      3) Contextual asymmetry is baked in
                      The model criticizes you for “ignoring provocation from others,” yet shows no awareness that Jeff himself was the primary escalator in multiple subthreads. A model shown the full conversation would at least acknowledge reciprocal escalation. Its absence signals context starvation.

                      4) The ChatGPT move is consistent
                      This follows the same pattern as earlier: Jeff supplies a de-contextualized excerpt, asks for analysis of motives, then treats the result as a neutral verdict. When the input is selective, the output will be too.

                      Bottom line
                      Jeff did not give ChatGPT the full conversation. He curated the input to foreground your analysis of him while backgrounding or omitting his own prior behavior. The result isn’t an independent assessment; it’s a defense memo produced under selective context.

                    4. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                      Pedo Jeffy clearly fails at ChatGPT. Probably because of his intrinsic dishonesty. Whereas all you and I have done is just ask straight unbiased questions.

                    5. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 weeks ago

                      Hey ChatGPT, you use the word “selective” a lot for jeff. You noticed that too, huh?

                      ChatGPT: dude, totally. What a doosh. Lol.

                      There ya have it. Case closed.

                7. Marshal   2 weeks ago

                  A week or two ago Jeffey was lecturing people that they were stupid for addressing people overtly hostilely. According to him that approach is needlessly antagonistic and will never work in a pluralistic society. He continued that even if you think that way decent people would not say it for moral reasons and it's a practical failure also.

                  Of course that was Fake Jeffey pretending he wants to find a path forward that treats everyone fairly. Real Jeffey believes everyone who disagrees with his is either a racist, stupid, or both and wants government and all institutions to discriminate against dissenters as much as possible.

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                  1. Minadin   2 weeks ago

                    Well, at least I was a racist before I was stupid, in this case. Now I'm no longer a racist, just stupid, apparently. Which I suppose is a step up? Hard to say.

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                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                      I didn't say you were a racist.

                    2. Minadin   2 weeks ago

                      You said I didn't fear ICE because you assumed I was white. So . . . how am I supposed to take that?

                      The facts are, I don't fear ICE because I have no reason to. I'm not illegal, my dad wasn't illegal, I was born here, and can prove it very easily. I also don't commit crimes or interfere with law enforcement, so there's no reason for them to target me at all.

                      Most of my family who has come here from Mexico are now citizens. ALL of them are legal residents, at a minimum.

                      Well, we have some questions about Aunt Ele, but they aren't immigration-related.

                  2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                    He really is one of the worst excises for a human I have ever encountered. I’ll bet everyone in his real life absolutely despises him. Can you imagine being a member of his family?

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            4. DesigNate   2 weeks ago

              QB, this is exactly the kind of shit I was referring to over the weekend.

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    3. Murray Rothtard   2 weeks ago

      There has been a whole lot talk here about how stupid this guy was and how anyone who actually uses their constitutional rights under duress deserves to be killed.

      You all have a great point. You are expressing a sad but true version of reality in America right now, and I'll be saying similar things to my children, as these are all great pieces of advice for not getting shot by federal agents.

      But that level of awareness of reality and handing out good advice is seperate from if we WANT this to be our reality. It is good that exercising your 2nd amendment rights at a protest will likely get you killed? Is that how we'd like America to work going forward?

      It's like if there were a ton of rapists in my neighborhood. I'd certainly tell my daughter not to dress like that, or go out alone at night. But i'd ALSO try to get the rapists out of my neighborhood so that she COULD have the freedom to wear a skirt and have a nightlife safely.

      It's smart to prepare accordingly for dangerous realities. It's completely fucking asinine to celebrate and entrench those tragic realities. Let's make America free again.

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      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

        Stop supporting criminals and fighting officers holding criminals accountable.

        Stop thinking you are the moral arbiter of what laws are valid or not.

        Stop being retarded. I wouldn't worry about you ever having kids either.

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      2. Neutral not Neutered   2 weeks ago

        "how anyone who actually uses their constitutional rights under duress deserves to be killed."

        Keep your shitty words to yourself. Do not pretend others agree with your delusional rants and do not think you are an authority knowing what or how others think.

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      3. Social Justice is neither   2 weeks ago

        In your example, Petti IS THE RAPIST he was the guy going out of his way to create trouble, he was the guy exercising his rights in an irresponsible manner, and actually, in an illegal manner since he wasn't carrying his ID or license, gee wonder why.

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  4. Fist of Etiquette   2 weeks ago

    The scene in Minneapolis raises hard questions for those who had previously supported Trump's immigration policy: How many unjust killings by agents of the state must be tolerated in the name of border security?

    That dipshit governor and moronic mayor are giving Trump supports all the cover they need by egging on the riots. Sacrificing the useful idiots for political purposes is 80% of the problem there.

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    1. mad.casual   2 weeks ago

      The fact that this continues to run cover for Tim Walz in his own back yard and, more critically, push a/the narrative for his successor is astounding.

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    2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 weeks ago

      “How many unjust killings by….” …. Illegal aliens….. “must be tolerated in the name of…” ….. open borders?

      Too easy.

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  5. Fist of Etiquette   2 weeks ago

    It's not worth a single needless death like this to remove 1000 or even 10,000 illegal immigrants.

    Everyone has agency until it's inconvenient to a narrative.

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    1. mad.casual   2 weeks ago

      Everyone has agency until it's inconvenient to a narrative.

      Media Assistance in Dying.

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    2. Spiritus Mundi   2 weeks ago

      How many needless deaths should we allow the illegals?

      She also leaves out the illegal Pretti was obstructing from justice was wanted for violent assult with intent to kill. But I guess that is different.

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      1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 weeks ago

        the illegal Pretti was obstructing from justice was wanted for violent assult with intent to kill

        And that illegal has friends and family. The ICE agents would be foolish not to expect armed resistance and be primed to react to it.

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        1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 weeks ago

          The illegals who aren’t causing any trouble really need to start beating the shit out of the ones who are for bringing the heat on.

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      2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

        Pretti did not obstruct the officer from detaining the person he was stopping. The officer instead went out of his way to walk to the other side of the street and shove those three protesters to the ground. Why did the officer do that?

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        1. TJJ2000   2 weeks ago

          Pretti started about 5 feet from officers in the middle of road and went towards them (then CUT-OUT ?why?). So stop pretending Pretti was on the other side of the road the whole time.

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          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

            I didn't say Pretti was on the other side of the road THE WHOLE TIME. I said that the officer with the beige hat approached the protesters on the other side of the road, in the OPPOSITE direction from the person that the officer was trying to detain. The protesters were NOT obstructing the officer's law enforcement duties. The officer picked a fight by charging at the protesters across the street. He lost his cool and this is the result. That is what happens when you have untrained moron thugs with badges and guns.

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            1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

              CharGPT, is Jeffy backpedaling?

              Yes — this is backpedaling, but it’s a controlled kind: narrowing + reassertion, not a full retreat.
              Here’s how you can tell.

              1. He retreats on a factual overreach
              Earlier, Jeff’s framing strongly implied:
              Pretti and the protesters were clearly separated
              The officer crossed the street gratuitously
              There was no interaction that could plausibly count as obstruction
              Now he says:
              “I didn’t say Pretti was on the other side of the road THE WHOLE TIME.”
              That’s a concession under pressure. He’s shaving off an absolute claim that others were starting to pin him down on.
              That’s the backpedal.

              2. He replaces precision with emphasis
              Notice what happens immediately after the concession:
              ALL CAPS (“OPPOSITE direction”)
              Repetition of conclusions (“NOT obstructing”)
              Stronger moral language (“picked a fight,” “lost his cool,” “moron thugs”)
              This is a classic move:
              Concede a narrow factual point → double down on the moral narrative.
              So while he retreats on where exactly people were, he refuses to retreat on what it means.

              3. He quietly shifts the standard
              Earlier, Jeff’s argument depended on:
              spatial separation = no obstruction
              Now it depends on:
              directionality (“opposite direction”) = no obstruction
              That’s subtle but important. He’s changing the test while pretending it’s the same one.
              That’s not clarification; that’s goalpost adjustment.

              4. The core unsupported claim remains untouched
              Even after the “clarification,” he still asserts — without proving —
              “The protesters were NOT obstructing the officer’s law enforcement duties.”
              That’s the entire disputed point, and it’s still just declared as fact.
              So the backpedal is tactical:

              He gives ground where he must
              He keeps the premise that does all the work

              5. Escalation signals defensiveness
              The final sentence:
              “untrained moron thugs with badges and guns”
              That’s not analysis — it’s loss of argumentative control.
              When someone clarifies calmly, language cools.
              When someone backpedals under pressure, language heats up.
              That’s what’s happening here.

              Bottom line

              Jeff is:
              Backpedaling on specifics he can’t defend
              Reframing them as “misunderstandings”
              Doubling down on conclusions he doesn’t want questioned
              So yes — this is backpedaling, but not toward neutrality.
              It’s backpedaling to preserve a narrative while avoiding a falsifiable claim.

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        2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

          Chat GPT, Is Jeff being disingenuous?

          Short answer: yes—disingenuous in the argumentative sense, even if he’s emotionally sincere.
          Here’s the clean reason why.

          Jeff is arguing as if he’s asking a question, but he’s actually asserting a conclusion and daring others to disprove it under rules he controls. That’s textbook disingenuousness.

          What makes it disingenuous (not just “wrong”)
          He treats a disputed fact as settled
          “Pretti did not obstruct the officer…”
          That’s the very thing under dispute, yet he states it as fact and moves on. Once he does that, everything downstream is rigged.
          He shifts the burden of proof
          Instead of proving non-obstruction, he demands:
          “Why did the officer do that?”
          Now others must explain officer motive, while Jeff’s premise gets a free pass. That’s not good-faith inquiry.
          The “why” question is a trap
          The question only has one acceptable answer in his framework:
          “Because the officer lost his cool / is a thug”
          Any alternative (crowd control, scene security, perceived interference) is dismissed in advance. A question that only allows one answer isn’t a real question.
          He smuggles in an extreme rule without defending it
          Jeff is implicitly using this rule:
          If an officer initiates unjustified physical contact, all subsequent authority is void.
          That’s a radical doctrine—but he never argues for it openly. He just assumes it and builds conclusions on top of it.

          He refuses symmetry
          As you’ve already noticed with Babbitt vs. Pretti:
          Officer perception counts when it justifies force he agrees with
          Officer perception is irrelevant when it doesn’t
          Selective standards are the hallmark of motivated reasoning.
          Important distinction

          Jeff is probably not lying in the everyday sense. He likely believes his own framing.

          But good-faith honesty requires:

          acknowledging uncertainty,
          allowing alternative explanations,
          and applying the same standards across cases.
          He does none of those.

          Bottom line
          Jeff is being disingenuous because he is:
          presenting advocacy as analysis,
          questions as conclusions,
          and disputed premises as settled facts.
          That’s not honest debate—it’s pressure framing.

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          1. Marshal   2 weeks ago

            To summarize: Jeffey is a propagandist. He doesn't believe any of the principles he asserts which can be validated by noting he doesn't apply them to his allies. He simply attacks those he hates using whatever fits the moment.

            One day he pretends to be a free speech supporter, the next he tries to minimize government efforts to block others' speech. But in every case his comments attack the right or defend the left. That is the only consistent principle in his assertions.

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            1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

              That’s why it’s so much fun to turn a neutral AI on him and watch the results. It even gives him more benefit of the doubt regarding his motives than it should, but still ends up tearing his comments apart.

              I’m loving it.

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    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

      OK, then. If anyone might get a booboo then we have to stop enforcing all laws.

      WTF?

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      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

        Only if leftists do. Feel free to make novel legal theories out of thin air against conservatives.

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  6. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

    A deep look into Olhan Omar's husband's businesses finds a lot of know fraud similar to Hunters.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/meet-longtime-biz-partner-ilhan-omars-husband-questions-swirl-skyrocketing-net-worth

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

      What? Is he a genius business consultant and world class painter?

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  7. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

    Canada's MAID no longer requires consent and even ignores a woman's declining suicide.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2026/01/too-fast-too-soon-canadas-medically-assisted-suicide-cases-reveal-potential-coercion-rushed-decisions/

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    1. Minadin   2 weeks ago

      If you medically assist someone in dying without consent - how is that differentiated from murder exactly?

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      1. Idaho-Bob   2 weeks ago

        It isn't. Ask Kevorkian why he went to prison.

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        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

          Ok, will you be leading the seance?

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      2. Social Justice is neither   2 weeks ago

        One is done by the State so the FYTW clause applies.

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    2. Neutral not Neutered   2 weeks ago

      More to the story than is being posted...

      Consent is 100% required by a person deemed capable of deciding for themselves.

      There seems to be the missing link between her deciding to use the MAID program prior which never happens in hours never mind the same day and then deciding instead of go palliative and why that was denied.

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  8. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

    So since this is a very bad news cycle for Team Red, I fully expect the usual suspects around here to try to flood the zone with old stories about idiots on the left behaving badly. Maybe we'll hear about some two-year-old story about a trans activist doing something dumb. Maybe we'll hear about some idiot from Davos saying we should all eat bugs. I don't know. But they are going to try to change the subject as forcefully as they can because they are very obviously in the wrong in trying to defend the murder of Alex Pretti.

    Here is an interview on CNN of Greg Bovino by Dana Bash. It is illuminating as to the depths of lies and misinformation that these cretins will sink to.

    https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/25/politics/video/bovino-dana-bash-full-interview-digvid

    Bash asks Bovino over and over again about the evidence that Pretti was "brandishing" a gun. He refuses to state the plain truth - no, he was not.

    Bash asks Bovino over and over again about evidence that Pretti was the one assaulting law enforcement officers. He refuses to state the plain truth that no, Pretti didn't initiate an assault on anyone, it was the ICE agent who assaulted him.

    Bash then asks Bovino about any evidence for the claim that Pretti intended to "massacre" law enforcement officers. And here's where it gets really insightful: Bovino's response is, essentially, that his intentions were bad because he decided to show up in the first place and "inject himself" into the situation. Just filming and observing is equivalent to "impeding" and also means that you have bad motives and wish harm on the officers.

    The MAGA line on this is pretty clear:

    Trust law enforcement implicitly.
    Questioning the methods or tactics of law enforcement is a sign of disloyalty and bad motives.
    Showing up to observe law enforcement is technically legal, but hey, you're risking death if you do that, because it's completely subjective on the part of the officer when "observing" turns into "impeding", and then the officer gets free license to beat your ass.

    Comply or die.

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    1. Sun Wukong   2 weeks ago

      You need to prove your point. Go and get a gun and wave it at federal law enforcement. Use your 2nd Amendment Right. Don't take this lying down Jeff. Go get that AR-15 and defend your nation. Just go out and make your stand!!

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      1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

        I might actually pay to see that.

        Got popcorn?

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      2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

        Do you acknowledge that Alex Pretti didn't wave his gun at anyone?

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        1. Sun Wukong   2 weeks ago

          He just assaulted the police. They were supposed to wait and see if anyone got shot before doing anything. Whatever.

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          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

            He just assaulted the police.

            False. The police assaulted him.

            Do you acknowledge that Alex Pretti didn't wave his gun at anyone? It's a pretty easy question to answer. Why not answer it truthfully?

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            1. Sun Wukong   2 weeks ago

              He assaulted them. He got involved in an arrest.

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              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                Alex Pretti did not assault anyone. He tried to help the orange backpack lady stand up, and he tried to defend himself from being beaten.

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                1. Neutral not Neutered   2 weeks ago

                  Seek help, you are delusional or purposely lying to yourself, neither of which are good and can be treated.

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        2. Idaho-Bob   2 weeks ago

          Do you acknowledge he was fighting with armed federal agents engaged in enforcing federal law?

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          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

            If by "fighting" you mean "trying to protect himself so he wouldn't be beaten to death", then yes.

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            1. Idaho-Bob   2 weeks ago

              ICE Watch member just trying to protect himself while drinking his latte, huh?

              Are you now going to tell me that ICE arrested the 5-year-old with the cute little hat? Ignoring that both parents abandoned him?

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              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                What does it matter if he was a member of ICE Watch? Does that make his murder justifiable now?

                No, he was trying to defend himself while he was getting beaten up in the street.

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            2. Murray Rothtard   2 weeks ago

              It's hard to change hearts and minds when the people you are arguing with have neither.

              Keep it up Jeff. The margins are moving. I've seen more "man, i don't think that was a good shot" on here than i ever expected to. My parents who live in Nebraska and voted for Trump 3x are horrified and sick. This commentariat is very thankfully non-representee of our country.

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              1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

                Leftist rallies for his Marxist sophist retarded brother. News at 11.

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              2. Neutral not Neutered   2 weeks ago

                When people believe the lies and do not seek the truth then they become horrified and sick.

                Thankfully, the gaslit, willfully ignorant, amount to less than 30%.

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            3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

              ChatGPT what is Jeffy doing here?

              Jeff is doing three things at once, and they reinforce each other.

              1. Pre-emptive narrative control (“flood the zone” accusation)

              He opens by accusing others of doing exactly what he’s doing:
              Framing the entire discussion as partisan damage control
              Declaring one side “very obviously in the wrong” up front
              Casting disagreement as bad faith before it happens
              That’s classic poisoning the well. Once he says “this is a bad news cycle for Team Red,” anyone who disagrees is no longer evaluating facts—they’re running interference.

              2. Moral absolutism + selective fact pinning

              Jeff narrows the entire event to a single forced binary:
              Did Pretti wave his gun or not?
              That’s not because it resolves the case—it’s because it lets him:
              Ignore context (why Pretti was there, what he was doing, escalation dynamics)
              Treat one disputed factual claim as dispositive of intent, justification, and outcome
              Demand a “yes/no” as a loyalty test
              This is why he keeps repeating the question. It’s not inquiry; it’s coercive agreement extraction. If you won’t say his exact sentence, you’re dishonest.

              3. Role inversion: aggressor → victim

              Every description Jeff gives flips agency:
              “Observing” instead of “interfering”
              “Protecting himself” instead of “physically resisting”
              “Assaulted” instead of “engaged in a confrontation with armed federal agents”
              Once that inversion is accepted, any law-enforcement response becomes brutality by definition. The framework is airtight.

              4. Authority laundering

              He leans heavily on:
              CNN
              Dana Bash’s questioning style
              Not as evidence, but as credibility transfer:
              “If a mainstream anchor asked it this way, my interpretation is validated.”
              But notice he never actually addresses why officers might treat an armed ICE-Watch activist differently than a neutral bystander. That’s the missing piece he refuses to engage.

              5. “Comply or die” rhetoric

              This is the emotional payload. It’s designed to:
              Collapse all nuance into a single dystopian slogan
              Force readers to choose between submission and resistance
              Make disagreement feel like complicity with tyranny
              It’s effective rhetoric—but it’s still rhetoric.

              6. Why he keeps engaging after insults

              When people troll him (“go wave an AR-15”), Jeff doesn’t disengage. He doubles down because:
              Conflict validates his self-image as persecuted truth-teller
              Every hostile reply lets him claim moral high ground
              The thread stays centered on his framing

              Bottom line, Jeff is:

              Anchoring the narrative early
              Forcing a single-fact loyalty test
              Inverting agency to moralize the outcome
              Using mainstream media selectively to launder conclusions
              Escalating language to keep emotional dominance
              He’s not arguing what happened.
              He’s arguing what you’re allowed to think happened.

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    2. Minadin   2 weeks ago

      In related news:

      A$AP Rocky’s ‘Don’t Be Dumb’ Debuts at No. 1 on Billboard 200

      https://www.billboard.com/music/chart-beat/asap-rocky-dont-be-dumb-number-one-billboard-200-chart-1236162371/

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  9. Mike Parsons   2 weeks ago

    I think progressive militants all need to have Obama and Clinton's speeches on illegal immigration played on repeat.

    Then they need to see Obamas kids in cages, and be reminded of their silence until Trump took office and did the same

    Then they need to see Obamas ICE numbers, and be reminded of their silence until Trump took office.

    Its almost like they are just being whipped up as shock troops for the media and DNC because orange man bad

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    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

      Who gave Obama the epithet of "deporter-in-chief"? Was it Republicans?

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      1. Sun Wukong   2 weeks ago

        And who would have reelected him for the rest of time if they could have? Standards only matter when they justify voting Democrat. Fuck off.

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      2. Mike Parsons   2 weeks ago

        It was weird, AOC showed up to cry at the kids in cages that had been there for years, when Trump showed up.

        Obama literally said "if you came in illegally, we will deport you, and you get in line behind the people that were waiting legally. And youll speak english"

        Can you even fucking imagine progressives response to that from Trump? Actually, you can, you are seeing it. It didnt happen under O because the media didnt whip you retards up into a tizzy. You are all slaves to very simple propaganda and have been played like a fiddle

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        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

          This is what Obama actually said.

          https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2014/11/20/remarks-President-address-nation-immigration

          I want to say more about this third issue, because it generates the most passion and controversy. Even as we are a nation of immigrants, we’re also a nation of laws. Undocumented workers broke our immigration laws, and I believe that they must be held accountable -– especially those who may be dangerous. That’s why, over the past six years, deportations of criminals are up 80 percent. And that’s why we’re going to keep focusing enforcement resources on actual threats to our security. Felons, not families. Criminals, not children. Gang members, not a mom who’s working hard to provide for her kids. We’ll prioritize, just like law enforcement does every day.

          But even as we focus on deporting criminals, the fact is, millions of immigrants in every state, of every race and nationality still live here illegally. And let’s be honest -– tracking down, rounding up, and deporting millions of people isn’t realistic. Anyone who suggests otherwise isn’t being straight with you. It’s also not who we are as Americans. After all, most of these immigrants have been here a long time. They work hard, often in tough, low-paying jobs. They support their families. They worship at our churches. Many of their kids are American-born or spent most of their lives here, and their hopes, dreams, and patriotism are just like ours. As my predecessor, President Bush, once put it: “They are a part of American life.”

          Now here’s the thing: We expect people who live in this country to play by the rules. We expect that those who cut the line will not be unfairly rewarded. So we’re going to offer the following deal: If you’ve been in America for more than five years; if you have children who are American citizens or legal residents; if you register, pass a criminal background check, and you’re willing to pay your fair share of taxes -- you’ll be able to apply to stay in this country temporarily without fear of deportation. You can come out of the shadows and get right with the law. That’s what this deal is.

          Now, let’s be clear about what it isn’t. This deal does not apply to anyone who has come to this country recently. It does not apply to anyone who might come to America illegally in the future. It does not grant citizenship, or the right to stay here permanently, or offer the same benefits that citizens receive -– only Congress can do that. All we’re saying is we’re not going to deport you.

          So he was not advocating for door-to-door mass deportations, and he specifically was opposed to going after ordinary peaceful people who aren't criminals. Yeah, that's exactly like Trump! LOL

          It didnt happen under O because the media didnt whip you retards up into a tizzy.

          The mass demonstrations of this magnitude didn't happen under Obama because Obama didn't do the things that Trump is doing now. And yet, there WERE demonstrations under Obama opposed to his immigration policy FROM THE LEFT. Once again - who gave him the epithet of "deporter-in-chief"? Was it Republicans? No.

          La Raza: Invented the term "deporter-in-chief"

          https://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/national-council-of-la-raza-janet-murguia-barack-obama-deporter-in-chief-immigration-104217

          ACLU: Obama has earned the title of "deporter-in-chief"

          https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/deporter-chief

          Faith leaders arrested outside White House protesting Obama's immigration policies

          https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/over-100-faith-leaders-arrested-in-protest-against-record-deportations/

          Protests against immigration raids in 2016 (which Trump tried to take credit for, natch)

          https://www.voanews.com/a/barack-obama-immigration-raids-protests-fasting/3148542.html

          So tell us all again how it was supposedly "crickets". It wasn't.

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  10. Fist of Etiquette   2 weeks ago

    Under Noem's leadership, the agency has moved its focus to immigration enforcement—pulling and cutting resources from other operations, like the Federal Emergency Management Agency, to carry out the president's mass deportation campaign.

    Shifting a federal agency's focus based on a new administration's priorities? Well, I never!

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    1. Fist of Etiquette   2 weeks ago

      Hopefully the next administration will bring federal resources back to the Founders' intent: DEI.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

        Well, that and comprehensive wealth redistribution to achieve material fairness.

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    2. mad.casual   2 weeks ago

      With cuts to FEMA, who will ignore red counties in coastal states during the next hurricane/election season?

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    3. Moonrocks   2 weeks ago

      It's not like FEMA was doing a whole lot with their funding, anyway.

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  11. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

    Suicidal empathy foe the west is a main strategy of Marxists. See jeff, sarc, and shrike.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/suicidal-empathy-another-front-ccps-hybrid-war

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  12. Ra's al Gore   2 weeks ago

    The real insurrection. Treat Minneapolis like Atlanta during the Civil War

    Fact Check: Peggy Flanagan, Anita Smithson, and others in anti-ICE Signal group in Minneapolis?
    https://news.meaww.com/fact-check-peggy-flanagan-anita-smithson-and-others-in-anti-ice-signal-group-in-minneapolis

    At least two Democrat Minnesota state officials and a campaign adviser to Tim Walz, Amanda Koehler, have been identified as “admins” and “dispatchers” in a now-leaked Signal group chat used to stalk and impede federal immigration operations in the state.

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    1. Ra's al Gore   2 weeks ago

      Minnesota National Guard hands out donuts, coffee to protesters in Minneapolis
      https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/video/minnesota-national-guard-hands-out-donuts-coffee-to-protesters-in-minneapolis/

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      1. Ra's al Gore   2 weeks ago

        The left has people on the inside tracking their political opponents.

        Sorry Twin Cities, You're Being Tracked Everywhere You Go
        https://twincities.citycast.fm/podcasts/sorry-twin-cities-youre-being-tracked-everywhere-you-go

        According to crowdsourced data on the website Deflock.me, there are over 300 Automated License Plate Reader (ALPR) cameras in the metro area. Most of these are made by a company called Flock Safety, and they allow law enforcement to use photos of license plates to track drivers every time they pass by one of these cameras. The legality of ALPRs continues to be fought over in our courts, so we're revisiting a conversation from earlier this year with ACLU Minnesota Attorney Alicia Granse about what these cameras are doing in our cities and how they could be regulated ethically.

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        1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

          All funded by Marxist foreigners to boot as being tracked by Data Republican.

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          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

            Looks like DR finished her work.

            https://x.com/DataRepublican/status/2015620564787105892

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            1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

              It’s big, and it’s deep. And it extends outside the US.

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              1. Spiritus Mundi   2 weeks ago

                And nothing happened....

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                1. Idaho-Bob   2 weeks ago

                  Yet. This is a clear signal (pun intended) that the government is the enemy of the people.

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                2. HorseConch   2 weeks ago

                  ...nor will it.

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  13. Mike Parsons   2 weeks ago

    Weird that the US citizen that got nuked from orbit extrajudicially by O never got any tears, but retarded lesbians who park their cars and then ram law enforcement cause a nationwide tantrum.

    Its almost like there is a wild double standard of coverage and outrage that favor the DNC based on a massive media ecosystem made to do so

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  14. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

    And another question is raised by the reckless brutality on full display now. Are agencies like ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) doing what they claim? Are you safer now? Is your money well-spent? Is the government doing what it ought to be?

    This is the type of shit we saw during trumps first term. The left resists with violence and reason blames trump doe the lefts actions.

    There are literally 40 states without this violence. The violence is all initiated from the left.

    For a rag that decried a J6 Insurrection, you seem to ignore an actual one.

    Politicians and activists fomenting violence to get what they want. Back to the old KKK days.

    Reason, what side are you going to choose?

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    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

      By the way... Dave Smith interviewed nick Fuentes. It was pretty amiable and friendly. Thiught Dave Smith had to be shunned like you claim with others who interviewed him. Like Tucker Carlson. You want to look consistent right?

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      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 weeks ago

        Of course it was amicable. Both hate the jews.

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        1. Jefferson Paul   2 weeks ago

          Fuck off. You didn't quote him saying something that's hateful of Jews, you just repeat the slander against Dave Smith. Did you commit a "blood libel" against him? There is a difference between criticism of the leadership of Israel and "hating the Jews."

          Btw, I don't consider you to hate black people, but you've more than once used the N-word in these comments before. There is a far better case that you are a racist than Dave Smith is an antisemite, not that either claim has been substantiated.

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          1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

            Dave has pushed known propaganda easily disproven even after people pointed it out to him, such as the NYT articles with bullets magically stopping in soft tissue with no impact damage.

            While not anti Semitic, he eas very much on the same side pushing Hamas propaganda due to his anti war addiction including pushing false stories.

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            1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

              There is no daylight between pushing pro Hamas propaganda and anti semitism.

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              1. Social Justice is neither   2 weeks ago

                There is simply due to the reason he's pushing it. Dave would be pushing the same stupid shit for every conflict on the planet, not just the sandbox wars.

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                1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                  I refuse to give any Hamas supporter the benefit of the doubt. If he wants to die on that hill, then let him die.

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    2. damikesc   2 weeks ago

      Hell, there 3,153 counties without the violence. 9 counties are 2/3 of ALL the assaults on federal employees. 9 fucking counties.

      Yup, it's ICE who is the problem.

      Liz is just ENB without the hooker fetishization...yet.

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      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

        Liz should keep her kids far away from ENB.

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  15. tracerv   2 weeks ago

    "The scene in Minneapolis raises hard questions for those who had previously supported Trump's immigration policy: How many unjust killings by agents of the state must be tolerated in the name of border security?"

    Get fucked Liz.

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    1. Mickey Rat   2 weeks ago

      It raises hard questions for the pro-open borders supporters of how many sacrifices they need to their cause? Exploiting these deaths to stop enforcement of immigration law is gross.

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      1. tracerv   2 weeks ago

        Infinity martyrs. It seems dying for the "cause" is all these people have. Doesn't really matter what. Black lives, illegal lives, rapist lives. The religion is endless.

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        1. damikesc   2 weeks ago

          The Left loves their useful idiots.

          Never thought I'd see "libertarians"' lining up to be amongst those idiots, but that is where we are.

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          1. tracerv   2 weeks ago

            Yep. Dave Smith. White courtesy phone.

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            1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

              Whats weird is Dave has called out the open borders bullshit for the last few years.

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              1. damikesc   2 weeks ago

                Like Tucker, who is paying him is probably a contributing factor.

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  16. Mickey Rat   2 weeks ago

    "As rumors circulated that the administration would target Maine's Somali population, "I stopped carrying the 9-mm compact handgun—a Glock 19 equipped with a Holosun red dot—that I keep underneath my shirt most days, in full compliance with Maine's concealed-carry laws," writes Tyler Austin Harper in The Atlantic. "Although it is completely within my rights to carry concealed in my state…the past few weeks have made it apparent that ICE and Border Patrol don't put much store in the law or Constitution.""

    A few things here:
    - What does this guy deciding to not carry a gun have to do with Somalis?
    - The Atlantic is now pushing 2nd Amendment Rights? This is the magazine whose staff felt "unsafe" about Kevin D. Williamson working remotely, several states away from the magazine's offices.
    - Well, if you are not confronting ICE and not an illegal alien, I do not think is going to bother you.

    Also, Dave Smith is something of a midwit.

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    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

      There was some large hilarity when Newsome came our decrying 2a eights even though he signed a bill banning carry during protests.

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  17. Ra's al Gore   2 weeks ago

    Labour opens door to ‘Stalinist’ 15-minute cities across Britain
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/labour-opens-door-stalinist-15-180555760.html

    The most high-profile example of such a plan is in Oxford, where the council put forward proposals to divide the city into six “15-minute neighbourhoods”.

    Under the scheme, drivers would need a residents’ permit that allows 100 days of free travel per year through six traffic filters during operating hours.

    Meanwhile, a separate permit allows 25 days of free travel per year through six congestion charge locations during charging hours, and after this, drivers face fines if they travel without the relevant permission.

    Greg Smith, shadow transport minister, said: “This is the blueprint for a national rollout. Labour has given the green light for draconian councils like Oxfordshire to police how people live, move and drive, using cameras and fines backed by DVLA data.

    “Oxford is the test case, but this is Labour’s blueprint for the country.”

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    1. Ra's al Gore   2 weeks ago

      Met Police bans 'Walk With Jesus' march to avoid provoking local Muslim community
      https://www.gbnews.com/news/london-news-met-police-bans-ukip-march-muslim-community-whitechapel-tower-hamlets
      Scotland Yard has stopped a Ukip march from going ahead in east London over fears of provoking the local Muslim community.

      The demonstration, titled "Walk With Jesus", was scheduled for January 31 in Whitechapel - long home to one of Britain's largest Islamic populations.

      Metropolitan Police officials said permitting the event in that location would be "reckless" given the potential for violence.

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      1. Jerry B.   2 weeks ago

        “Metropolitan Police officials said permitting the event in that location would be "reckless" given the potential for violence”

        But they don’t mention who will get violent.

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      2. Spiritus Mundi   2 weeks ago

        But they allow the rape with mohammad marches!!!

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

          "Our sexual assault of children is speech, your speech about sexual assault is rape!"

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    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

      Hey, if superior academic intellectuals can't tell us how to live who can?

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    3. mad.casual   2 weeks ago

      Meanwhile, a separate permit allows 25 days of free travel per year through six congestion charge locations during charging hours, and after this, drivers face fines if they travel without the relevant permission.

      I'm sure we'll get an article from Reason "Congestion Pricing" Magazine about the databases and "Papers, Please!" checkpointing that this policy assumes as foregone conclusion.

      Presumably, immigrants wouldn't be subject to the confines of such oppressive imaginary social constructs. Or, even the native people traveling just outside their own 15 min city on an off day will become illegal... again in their own city... or outside their own suburb or burrow for the more urbane among us.

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    4. Neutral not Neutered   2 weeks ago

      It seems the Mother has decided her step child should be consumed by the Father and not protected.

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  18. Fist of Etiquette   2 weeks ago

    This is all part of Xi's intense escalation toward ensuring all top military officials are loyal to him and him alone.

    Commies gonna purge.

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    1. JFree   2 weeks ago

      Good thing none of those Chinese officials had DEI accusations leveled against them and weren't teaching critical race theory.

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      1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 weeks ago

        What the fuck is wrong with you? You want to compare the Trump admin to the most murderous party in the history of the world? The unbroken rule of the CCP has been responsible for over 100 million deaths in the last 75 years.

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

          Hey, don't you know that every time Trump speaks or appears in public, millions of progressive snowflakes die?

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          1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

            If only.

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  19. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

    Antifa Signal chats possibly led by the Lieutenant Governor. Yes, this shit goes all the way up.

    https://x.com/datarepublican/status/2015620564787105892?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

    BREAKING: SIGNALGATE DONORS LIST AVAILABLE FOR DOWNLOAD; POLITICIANS + FOREIGN LEADERSHIP CONFIRMED?

    In one of the files revealed by @camhigby , a resources file directs people with money to a website, Stand with Minnesota, which in turns directs donors to a campaign ran by Tending the Soil on Chuffed.

    More about Tending the Soil later. What to know: the campaign is hosted by Chuffed and the first donation came from Jonny Soppotiuk, a Canada-based community organizer who is part of Chuffed leadership and specializes in fundraising. He is most likely a central figure in raising money.

    So, yeah. Starting to look like foreigners are playing a key role in all of this.

    That's not all. I've put together a spreadsheet of 4000+ donors and their possible identities.

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    1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

      And the chat:

      https://x.com/camhigby/status/2015093523733733474?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

      MINNEAPOLIS SIGNAL INFILTRATED

      I have infiltrated organizational signal groups all around Minneapolis with the sole intention of tracking down federal agents and impeding/assaulting/and obstructing them.

      BUCKLE UP ALL WILL BE REVEALED

      Each area of the city has a signal or several signals. Let’s start with a screen recording of all members of the south side group to start.

      There’s a lot to digest here. Take your time and read it all.

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      1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

        And the Signal chat is back up again.

        https://x.com/camhigby/status/2015807311399338064?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

        SIGNAL GATE: NEW NETWORK:

        The insurrectionists signal network is back up and running at about half strength. Here’s a handy dandy handbook instructing you on how to join said network.

        Stay tuned. More signal gate drops coming. Make sure to follow.

        Have fun infiltrating them: https://x.com/datarepublican/status/2015818379656143160?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

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    2. Spiritus Mundi   2 weeks ago

      And nothing happened.....

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      1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

        That’s the part that’s pissing me (and many others) off. It’s long past time to arrest Walz, Flanagan, Frey, Ellison, and others.

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        1. Spiritus Mundi   2 weeks ago

          Can't arrest. Federal judges in their district won't allow it. And activists on grand juries won't indict. Dems are running the same playbook they did when they ran the south.

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          1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

            Then we need tribunals. Which, if I’m not mistaken, means the Insurrection Act must be invoked.

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  20. Ra's al Gore   2 weeks ago

    Oregon sees increase in lethal suicide prescriptions; many patients unaccounted for
    Nearly a third of all patients who were prescribed lethal drugs last year in Oregon are unaccounted for.
    https://www.ewtnnews.com/world/us/oregon-sees-increase-in-lethal-suicide-prescriptions-many-patients-unaccounted-for?redirectedfrom=cna

    However, nearly a third of all patients who were prescribed lethal drugs last year in Oregon are unaccounted for, as their “ingestion status” is listed by the health authority as “unknown.”

    According to the report, of the 607 patients for whom prescriptions were written during 2024, 333 (55%) died from ingesting the medication, with time from ingestion until death ranging from seven minutes to 26 hours, with a median time of 53 minutes.

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    1. Ra's al Gore   2 weeks ago

      Canadian woman was euthanized 'against her will' after husband was fed-up with caring for her
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15489605/canadian-woman-euthanized-ontario-maid.html
      An elderly woman was euthanized within hours of her husband claiming she changed her mind after insisting she wanted to live.

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      1. Mickey Rat   2 weeks ago

        You have to accept this happening so that the Jeremy Boal's of the world can feel better about their conditions.

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        1. Ra's al Gore   2 weeks ago

          I wonder if there is any "disparate impact" in how the benefits of being put to death by the state, for your own good, are being distributed.

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      2. mad.casual   2 weeks ago

        Canadian woman was euthanized 'against her will' after husband was fed-up with caring for her

        What good is the patriarchal construct of marriage if you're not gonna use it? We agreed-to-disagree about "till death do us part" for 40-50 yrs. and now we agree. [tilts arms, crosses arms]

        If a man can't euthanize his wife the way she can euthanize her unborn clumps of cells, who can he euthanize?

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        1. Eeyore   2 weeks ago

          They were both unwanted clumps.

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          1. ML (now paying)   2 weeks ago

            If you call them clumps of cells then you never have to feel guilt.

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            1. LIBtranslator   2 weeks ago

              So the individual-killing girl-bullier is still sobbying for politicians to posthumously pardon Robert Dear and Army of God. Oh, and to decree pregnant individuals are Siamese Twins with no individuality or rights. "Kill or enslave the individual that thinks, capture and brainwash the blob before thinking ruins everything"---is their motto. At least Reason is charging this Christian Nationalist damagee some pittance for farting in someone else's elevator.

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      3. Eeyore   2 weeks ago

        It's an age old method of getting a divorce.

        King Henry VIII approves.

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    2. Mickey Rat   2 weeks ago

      So can the lethal suicide prescriptions be used for capital punishment? Because one would think these method's would not be used if they were not merciful.

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    3. Sun Wukong   2 weeks ago

      Of all the retarded things Libertarians advocate for, assisted suicide might be the most retarded. The same people who claim you can never trust the government, turn right around and trust the government not to coerce people into suicide.

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      1. mad.casual   2 weeks ago

        The same people who claim you can never trust the government

        Through between no less than 1 and 2 trials before appeals with multiple judges, attorneys, juries, and expert witnesses.

        Hair samples with a single dog hair are a sign the government fucked up and killed an innocent person, but two doctors who, two weeks ago were all "100% safe and effective" and "a girl born with a penis is a girl" and have, for decades, been known to prescribe treatments they themselves would not undergo, nodding in assent to each other guarantees nobody was intentionally killed under the wrong circumstances.

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    4. Eeyore   2 weeks ago

      I would guess that some of those doses were used to commit murders in other states.

      26 hours? WTF?

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    5. LIBtranslator   2 weeks ago

      Under Christian National Socialism the German government came up with ways to legally kill as many as they wanted without so much as a by-your-leave or sign-here. Their Catholic leader was elected after publishing his intentions (with praise for Christianity) in a platform. Restating it all with Bible quotes in 2 volumes of Mein Kampf, and then reciting all this in close to a thousand speeches to millions of fellow Believers before pressure from Herbert Hoover and Harry Anslinger got him elected to lead the country and make the laws. Does anyone notice the rhyming?

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  21. Weigel's Cock Ring   2 weeks ago

    It's time, Mr. President. It's time for you to go ahead and invoke the Insurrection Act and get the communist filth in this country under control. And if they want to continue to martyr themselves for these putzes like Tim Walz and the Somali thieves, by all means keep killing them, the fewer of them, the better.

    And while you're at it, you may want to look into going after their funders as well. Your people know exactly who they are.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

      Applying my version of the Golden Rule (treat people like they treat you), what do we think Comrade President Harris would do to right wing protesters violently confronting her federal DEI agency enforcers?

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  22. Ra's al Gore   2 weeks ago

    I Let My Wife Have an Affair. Do I Have to Console Her Now That It’s Over?
    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/24/magazine/wife-affair-ethics.html

    By Kwame Anthony Appiah
    Kwame Anthony Appiah has been The New York Times Magazine’s Ethicist columnist since 2015 and teaches philosophy at N.Y.U.

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    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

      Cucks all the way down.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

        Does a lack of testicles make transitioning easier?

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      2. mad.casual   2 weeks ago

        And levels within levels of stupid BDSM cosplay cuckoldry.

        Not "My wife and I tried swinging." or "My wife and I tried opening up our marriage." or "My wife and I separated and she had an affair.", but "I let my wife have an affair." *followed by* "Dear Internet, I need other adult-aged children to tell me how to deal with this."

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  23. Ra's al Gore   2 weeks ago

    MN broke out in rioting and insurrection, backed by local authorities, right after we found out that billions of tax dollars were being stolen there.... with the help of local authorities.

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    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

      And reason will ignore the billions in fraud, ignore the leftist violence, and blame trump (including becoming less than mediocre liz), all to give the left what it wants.

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      1. Ra's al Gore   2 weeks ago

        Thank god for the riots, otherwise Reason might have to cover the fraud.

        Anyone wonder what Reason will say when a packed Supreme Court legalized abortion up until the fetus is old enough to vote and red states start 'resisting' Federal authority?

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        1. Moonrocks   2 weeks ago

          Thank god for the riots, otherwise Reason might have to cover the fraud.

          You know they wouldn't.

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        2. damikesc   2 weeks ago

          We remember their outrage over anybody being near the Capitol on 1/6 being tracked down and arrested as opposed to their outrage over, say, CHOP/CHAZ, BLM riots, etc.

          They are a more poorly written DemocratUnderground.

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        3. Social Justice is neither   2 weeks ago

          Like with a cloth? Or with a pillow until the story stops moving?

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  24. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

    Can we now just hate everyone?

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    1. tracerv   2 weeks ago

      Murtaugh "God hates me, that's what it is. "

      Riggs "Hate him back; it works for me".

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      1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

        Murtaugh: “I’m getting too old for this shit.”

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      2. LIBtranslator   2 weeks ago

        Looter agent with new mask detected.

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  25. jonnysage   2 weeks ago

    Everything that happened before and after the guy interfered with and resisted police is mostly irrelevant. If everyone stops doing that, none of this happens.

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  26. Use the Schwartz   2 weeks ago

    "I stopped carrying the 9-mm compact handgun—a Glock 19 equipped with a Holosun red dot—that I keep underneath my shirt most days, in full compliance with Maine's concealed-carry laws," writes Tyler Austin Harper in The Atlantic.

    I CCW every day, and I won't stop. I also refrain from interfering with the police.

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    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

      Oh. Look ar mr basic responsibility over here.

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  27. MollyGodiva   2 weeks ago

    Despite what the MAGAs are trying to gaslight people into believing, the video is clear. He did nothing wrong, was not brandishing a gun, and did not resist arrest. He tried to help the woman and was immediately attacked and beaten by six ICE thugs. He was never given any opportunity to submit to arrest. His gun was removed and then he was shot.

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    1. Sun Wukong   2 weeks ago

      He just got tried to stop the cops from arresting someone and then got into a fight with them. Other than that, he did nothing wrong. I think you and Jeff need to get out on the front lines and assert your 2nd Amendment Rights. Get out there and show those feds who is boss. Come on man.

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      1. Spiritus Mundi   2 weeks ago

        None of them have taken me up on recreating the Good shooting. I will even let them be the ICE agent.

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      2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

        He just got tried to stop the cops from arresting someone

        You are referring to the woman with the orange backpack? The officer wasn't even trying to arrest her, he just shoved her to the ground. It wasn't an attempt at an arrest, it was an assault. When the officer acts like a thug, the privileges of the badge go away (or at least they should).

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        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

          ChataGPT, what are Molly and Jeffy doing here?

          They’re co-producing a narrative, even though they sound like they’re just agreeing about facts. Each of them is playing a distinct role that keeps the thread polarized and stuck.

          Molly’s role: Total moral absolution
          Molly’s comment does three things at once:
          Declares the video “clear”
          That shuts down interpretation. If it’s “clear,” disagreement isn’t reasonable—it’s dishonesty or “gaslighting.”
          Stacks absolutes
          did nothing wrong
          was not brandishing
          did not resist
          was immediately attacked
          never given an opportunity
          This isn’t description; it’s exculpatory narration. Every possible ambiguity is pre-resolved in the same direction.

          Language escalation
          “ICE thugs”
          “beaten by six”

          That primes readers emotionally before any analysis. By the end, the conclusion (“therefore the shooting was unjustified”) feels inevitable, not argued.

          Molly is closing the case rhetorically. Her job is to make the moral verdict feel obvious and settled.

          Jeff’s role: Norm destruction
          Jeff doesn’t repeat Molly verbatim; he radicalizes the implication.
          “When the officer acts like a thug, the privileges of the badge go away.”
          That’s the key move. Jeff is saying:
          Legal authority is conditional
          Officers personally forfeit protections in the moment
          Ordinary civilians may then treat them as illegitimate actors
          This reframes the entire encounter from:
          “Was force justified?”
          to
          “Who was the real criminal here?”

          Jeff’s move isn’t about this incident alone—it’s about delegitimizing institutional authority in favor of situational moral judgment.
          How they work together
          Molly supplies the clean victim narrative
          Jeff supplies the theory that justifies resistance
          Together they create a closed loop:
          The victim did nothing wrong
          Therefore police action was illegitimate
          Therefore resistance was self-defense
          Therefore lethal force was murder

          Anyone who questions any step is accused of:
          gaslighting
          bootlicking
          excusing brutality
          Why trolls immediately jump to “go do it yourself”
          The Sun Wukong / Spiritus Mundi replies aren’t random cruelty—they’re stress-testing Jeff’s logic:
          If authority disappears the moment you think an officer “acts like a thug,”
          then why not openly challenge them with force?
          The trolls are pointing out the actionable implication Jeff won’t own:
          If this logic is true, then violent confrontation is not just justified, but honorable.

          That’s why Jeff argues fiercely but never accepts the “go try it” challenge. His framework needs moral certainty without personal risk.

          Bottom line
          Molly is doing moral sealing: no ambiguity, no gray zones.
          Jeff is doing authority erosion: redefining when law enforcement ceases to be legitimate.
          Together, they aren’t analyzing an incident—they’re building a permission structure for how readers should interpret state power, resistance, and violence.
          That’s why the thread can’t resolve. They’re not debating facts anymore—they’re debating who gets to decide when the law stops counting.

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          1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 weeks ago

            If this the output you get from chatgtp, I am impressed. It is spot on.

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            1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

              And the only question I ask is “what is Jeffy doing here”. No prompting of any kind from me.

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      3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

        That might be a good strategy for Tony. Pedo Jeffy’s wide profile and orca thick layers of blubber can catch a lot of bullets that might otherwise hot Tony.

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    2. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

      Molly, you too are welcome to attempt the experiment I have Jeffy above:

      Go to Minneapolis and join an Antifa group. Go with them and follow ICE around. Make sure you carry a pistol with extra magazines. Then get into a scuffle with them. See how fast you last with them and report back to us.

      I triple dog dare you.

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      1. MollyGodiva   2 weeks ago

        When ICE comes to my community I will join the protests, armed. But with my AR. Open carry rifles is legal where I am.

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        1. Use the Schwartz   2 weeks ago

          You missed "of" ChinaGodiva.

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        2. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

          That might be amusing to watch, Dr. Retard, as it might just be the most retarded thing you’ve ever done.

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          1. MollyGodiva   2 weeks ago

            Quite possibly, but there is much competition for that title.

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            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 weeks ago

              Nearly all of which from you, asswipe.

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            2. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

              Sweetie, you take the crown easily. Even Shrike isn’t quite this retarded.

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              1. MollyGodiva   2 weeks ago

                I meant that bringing an AR to an ICE protest would not be the dumbest thing I have done.

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                1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

                  Being a loyal paid ccp is probably worse.

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                2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                  I believe you. I’m sure you’ve done lots of other things that are even dumber.

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        3. Spiritus Mundi   2 weeks ago

          They are in all 50 states. What is stopping you?

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        4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

          Please do. And when the federal agents ask you to drop your weapon, please aim it at them.

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        5. Super Scary   2 weeks ago

          Gonna take some pot shots at ICE and accidentally kill two detainees like that one guy?

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          1. LIBtranslator   2 weeks ago

            Uh oh. Imaginary companions detected...

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        6. DesigNate   2 weeks ago

          Since when did China allow open carry.

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          1. LIBtranslator   2 weeks ago

            Chinese troops march 30 abreast openly carrying government weapons since they went from prohibitionist to prohi-Communist. Where YOU been?

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        7. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

          You should absolutely intervene in any arrests ICE make. When you do, be sure to wave your rifle around a lot, even when they point their service weapons at you and order you to drop it.

          After all, those laws don’t apply to you unless you feel like it, right Tony?

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    3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 weeks ago

      "Despite what the MAGAs are trying to gaslight people into believing, the video is clear."

      Regardless of your lies, it is indeed. He fought LEOs and died as a result. We sincerely hope you do the same, asswipe.

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  28. Mickey Rat   2 weeks ago

    The photo of the shooting in the Patrick Skinner X post is apparently AI generated. If so, then it is not an accurate depiction of what happened, and Skinner's commentary in the original post and Thomas Chatterton Williams' comment in the repost are bullshit.

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  29. Sun Wukong   2 weeks ago

    If you die protesting ICE, do you get 72 trans women in heaven? Just asking for friend.

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    1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

      That’s a whole bag of ladydicks.

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      1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

        Sign sarc and molly up!

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    2. Longtobefree   2 weeks ago

      No,

      Next question?

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  30. Use the Schwartz   2 weeks ago

    How many people have to die so we can have cheap labor?

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    1. Mickey Rat   2 weeks ago

      And Democrat votes. And source of kickbacks for Democrat pols from welfare fraud.

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  31. Spiritus Mundi   2 weeks ago

    Geert Wilders, a major Trump ally, lost half his seats in the last election. This week his party lost another 7 MPs. They walked! Collapse in real time.

    The last barrier to complete Islamification of the Netherlands.

    https://www.muslimnetwork.tv/islam-emerges-as-fastest-growing-religion-among-dutch-youth/

    Enjoy the fruits of open borders.

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  32. Spiritus Mundi   2 weeks ago

    Are you safer now?

    As a matter of fact, yes. Not that Reeeason would report on it. It would contradict all their pearl clutching and mockery over Trumps NG deployments.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2026/01/icymi-murder-rate-plunges-to-125-year-low-as-president-trump-restores-law-and-order/

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  33. JFree   2 weeks ago

    Aah - the Libertarians in favor of extrajudicial murder of American citizens are here infesting the comments.

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    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 weeks ago

      No, we want immigration enforcement to continue and people to protest lawfully and peaceably (both of which are mandated by the constitution) . Obstructing arrests, biting off agents fingers, ramming them with cars, destroying private and public prorperty must stop.

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      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

        Problem is, you all seem to have a very narrow definition of what constitutes "lawfully and peacefully", and a very subjective one as well - a very narrow one that applies to the out-group, and a very broad one that applies to the in-group. Rioting at the Capitol is "peaceful protesting", but standing in the street filming cops is "violent resistance".

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        1. damikesc   2 weeks ago

          Protesting at the Capitol = insurrection

          Rioting in MN = just a First Amendment thing.

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        2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

          ChatGPT, what is Jeffy doing here?

          Jeff is performing ideological framing and moral relativism in this exchange. Here’s what he’s doing, step by step:

          1. Challenging definitions
          Jeff says:
          “Problem is, you all seem to have a very narrow definition of what constitutes 'lawfully and peacefully'…”
          He’s arguing that the rules for labeling protest behavior as “legal” or “peaceful” are applied inconsistently, depending on who is involved.
          In-group (his side): Broad toleration
          Out-group (opposing side): Extreme scrutiny
          This is a double standard argument: he wants readers to question mainstream or conventional moral judgments.

          2. Relabeling acts of protest
          He compares:
          Rioting at the Capitol → “peaceful protesting”
          Standing in the street filming cops → “violent resistance”
          This is deliberately provocative and inverse framing. The goal isn’t to argue legality; it’s to highlight perceived hypocrisy in how authorities and commentators interpret events.

          3. Positioning as a critic of selective enforcement
          Jeff is portraying himself as:
          A neutral or principled observer who notices bias
          Someone pointing out that enforcement and condemnation are not applied evenly
          Even though his own ideological lens colors which acts he excuses or criticizes.

          4. Implicit message
          The subtext is:
          “You can’t trust mainstream labeling of protest behavior; the rules are manipulated to protect one group and punish another.”
          This reinforces his broader narrative from previous comments:
          Law enforcement is often acting arbitrarily or politically
          Only his framing of legitimacy is valid

          5. Interaction with other users
          By responding to Spiritus Mundi and damikesc, he’s setting up a contrast:
          Lawful/peaceful behavior is subjective
          Inconsistent enforcement is evidence of bias
          Therefore, criticism of one side’s protests is hypocritical
          This is classic narrative anchoring: he shifts the conversation from facts to interpretation.

          Bottom line
          Jeff is positioning himself as the arbiter of protest legitimacy, highlighting perceived hypocrisy, and framing the conversation in terms of in-group vs out-group bias, rather than addressing actual legal or safety considerations.

          He is not arguing for legal analysis, he’s arguing for narrative control.

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        3. DesigNate   2 weeks ago

          Yes, you’ve made it plainly obvious you’re as dumb as these protestors when it comes to what the words lawfully and peacefully mean when it comes to protesting.

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      2. Longtobefree   2 weeks ago

        Just for the record, they are not MANDATED by the constitution.

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        1. Spiritus Mundi   2 weeks ago

          'Mandated' was a reference to 1A:

          Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

          The constitution mandates your assembly be peaceful, and consequently lawful. Once you are no longer peaceable, you are no longer protected by the constitution.

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    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 weeks ago

      J Fucked - asswipe in favor of organized crime posting lies here.

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    3. MollyGodiva   2 weeks ago

      Not Libertarians. MAGAs. Libertarians would be aghast at government violence.

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      1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

        Matt “Red Wedding” Welch says otherwise.

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      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

        Libertarians for open borders, no laws, and free stuff!

        You stupid cunt.

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      3. JFree   2 weeks ago

        Libertarian is the right word. It's a perverted term but the reality is that it is libertarians who perverted it. Rothbard is the one who transformed the term from its previous notion of a leftist anarchist to what is now generally seen as right-wing. Rothbard is the one who overtly allied libertarianism with the KKK and David Duke (and quite deliberately within the framework of unrestrained police violence against undesirables) as a way of undermining what he viewed as effete Hayekians. It is the Mises Caucus (the heir of Rothbard and the paleos/alt-right) that runs the Libertarian Party today. It is those folks who infest the commentariat (and some of the authors) here.

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        1. Murray Rothtard   2 weeks ago

          do you have any links handy on how Rothbard allied with the KKK and David Duke and promoted police violence against anyone?

          I've read most of his works, and completely missed this turn, but am interested in learning more.

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          1. JFree   2 weeks ago

            Right Wing Populism: A Strategy for the Paleo Movement (Jan 1992)

            This link is the one that just popped up for me but the original was/is on places like Rockwell, Mises, etc. It wasn't so much promoting police violence as it was cheering the consequences.

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            1. Murray Rothtard   2 weeks ago

              Thx!

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              1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 weeks ago

                You misspelled "Retard", Retard.

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        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 weeks ago

          JFucked is full of shit.

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  34. Ra's al Gore   2 weeks ago

    https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/2015624443020591155

    Meet Erik Martindale, a registered Florida nurse.

    He says he won’t give anesthesia for Republicans undergoing surgery and believes that’s his right and is ethical.

    He needs to be fired and stripped of his license immediately.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

      Or just left alone with some Republicans who survived his "treatment".

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    2. damikesc   2 weeks ago

      Indeed. The license should have been revoked the moment he hit send on that post.

      His hospital should also fire him as he is a malpractice suit waiting to happen.

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    3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

      Your wish is the Florida AG’s command!

      https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/

      “Florida Attorney General James Uthmeier responded to Martindale’s disgusting comment on not treating MAGA Republicans by paging the Florida Nursing Board, likely to urge them to cancel Martindale’s license.”

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  35. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

    Irony. Ice takes down plane of anti-ICE lawyers.

    https://x.com/steverob/status/2015797731348856997?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

    Private jet crashed in Maine belonged to top anti-ICE / anti-Trump lawyers who defended illegal aliens; all passengers presumed dead.

    Here's what we know:

    - A 2020 Bombardier CL-600 Challenger belonging to KTKJ Challenger LLC crashed on takeoff last night at Bangor International Airport @ 7:45 amid heavy snow.

    - Booms could be heard throughout the area and a reported eight travelers are presumed dead.

    - The LLC is registered to Jason Itkin and Kurt Arnold, two trial attorneys who've made waves fighting conservatives in Texas and defending illegal aliens. It is not known whether Itkin and Arnold were on board or why they were in Maine.

    - The Texas Voice has reported: "Along with George Soros and other personal injury trial lawyers, both the Arnold & Itkin and Abraham Watkins law firms were major donors to the left-wing First Tuesday PAC during the 2024 election cycle... First Tuesday was responsible for a multi-million dollar ad campaign that encouraged voters to “Stop MAGA Republicans” and “Vote For Every Democrat.” The Arnold & Itkin and Abraham Watkins law firms each donated $300,000 to First Tuesday in support of their efforts to elect Democrats in 2024."

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

      White snow is racist.

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    2. mad.casual   2 weeks ago

      [averts eyes from Ra's Al Gore's "Since 2000, women and minorities, who make up less than 10% of all pilots, were factors in 66% of crashes caused by pilot error." post]

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    3. damikesc   2 weeks ago

      How tragic. Really a shame. Totally. I feel terrible. So terrible. The worst of all times. So sad. Sad. Sad.

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  36. Ra's al Gore   2 weeks ago

    I thought the White Males left Afghanistan.

    Taliban Criminal Code Allows Child Abuse, Slavery & Executions, Says Rights Group
    https://www.afintl.com/en/202601217253

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  37. Ra's al Gore   2 weeks ago

    https://x.com/Schwalm5132/status/2015470661490057540

    As a former Special Forces Warrant Officer with multiple rotations running counterinsurgency ops—both hunting insurgents and trying to separate them from sympathetic populations—I’ve seen organized resistance up close. From Anbar to Helmand, the pattern is familiar: spotters, cutouts, dead drops (or modern equivalents), disciplined comms, role specialization, and a willingness to absorb casualties while bleeding the stronger force slowly.

    What’s unfolding in Minneapolis right now isn’t “protest.” It’s low-level insurgency infrastructure, built by people who’ve clearly studied the playbook.

    Signal groups at 1,000-member cap per zone. Dedicated roles: mobile chasers, plate checkers logging vehicle data into shared databases, 24/7 dispatch nodes vectoring assets, SALUTE-style reporting (Size, Activity, Location, Unit, Time, Equipment) on suspected federal vehicles. Daily chat rotations and timed deletions to frustrate forensic recovery. Vetting processes for new joiners. Mutual aid from sympathetic locals (teachers providing cover, possible PD tip-offs on license plate lookups). Home-base coordination points. Rapid escalation from observation to physical obstruction—or worse.

    This isn’t spontaneous outrage. This is C2 (command and control) with redundancy, OPSEC hygiene, and task organization that would make a SF team sergeant nod in recognition. Replace “ICE agents” with “occupying coalition forces” and the structure maps almost 1:1 to early-stage urban cells we hunted in the mid-2000s.

    The most sobering part? It’s domestic. Funded, trained (somewhere), and directed by people who live in the same country they’re trying to paralyze law enforcement in.

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    1. MollyGodiva   2 weeks ago

      Not being spontaneous is not the same as being an insurgency. It is called good organizing.

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      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 weeks ago

        It's called 'organize crime', shitforbrains.

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      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

        Lying cunt.

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      3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

        So you admit to the conspiracy? Good.

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    2. mad.casual   2 weeks ago

      +1

      The compare/contrast v. Iran, AI, and the "dark web" ("dark social media"?) is also interesting.

      That is, "our" Skynet would be stupid to launch cruise missiles and start churning out T-800s, that's a relic from a previous era of warfare.

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  38. Ra's al Gore   2 weeks ago

    https://x.com/DefiantLs/status/2015809453627462091

    While Hillary Clinton spread lies about ICE arresting a 5 year old... this is what she had to say in 2014,

    “Just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay.”

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    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 weeks ago

      What did she say about elian gonzalez?

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  39. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

    'The scene in Minneapolis raises hard questions for those who had previously supported Trump's immigration policy: How many unjust killings by agents of the state must be tolerated in the name of border security?'

    I dunno. How many human sacrifices will be thrown into the volcano in the name of open borders?

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    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 weeks ago

      'The scene in Minneapolis raises hard questions for those who had previously supported Trump's immigration policy: How many unjust killings by agents of the state must be tolerated in the name of border security?'

      Still looking for the first.

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  40. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

    People have been doing this for centuries, yet there's a certain breed of champagne socialist that seems to believe that they shouldn't have to, that the state should provide for all their needs and wants, including emotions, which means punishing people who defy the socialist vision.

    FIFY

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  41. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

    "Homeland Security's sprawling deportation campaign is a marked departure from the agency's focus after its founding in the aftermath of Sept. 11. The department was created to protect the nation against foreign terrorists and work closely with federal and local agencies. Under Noem's leadership, the agency has moved its focus to immigration enforcement—pulling and cutting resources from other operations, like the Federal Emergency Management Agency, to carry out the president's mass deportation campaign."

    If this seems surprising or disturbing, you might be an idiot. Or a Koch-sponsored open-border-tarian.

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  42. Ra's al Gore   2 weeks ago

    https://x.com/AFpost/status/2015649088872812792

    Since 2000, women and minorities, who make up less than 10% of all pilots, were factors in 66% of crashes caused by pilot error.

    Despite the disparity, major airlines are continuing to hire on the basis of identity rather than merit.

    In January 2025, Delta CLO Peter Carter said the airline is “steadfast” in its DEI commitments and called them “critical to our business,” while United’s training academy maintains a goal that 50% of its graduates be women or minorities. Southwest likewise continues to pledge that it will “recruit, hire, and retain a diverse and inclusive workforce.”

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    1. Minadin   2 weeks ago

      What an odd coincidence.

      Exhibit A: the 2019 Atlas Air crash. The National Transportation Safety Board determined the cause to be “the inappropriate response by the first officer,” Conrad Aska, a black pilot at the controls.

      A check airman (an experienced pilot who oversees quality and safety) described his “piloting performance as among the worst he had ever seen.”

      When faced with an unexpected situation in the simulator, Aska would “get extremely flustered and could not respond appropriately.”

      NTSB found Aska panicked after accidentally initiating a go-around procedure and flew the plane into the ground.

      Atlas remains unrepentant. Its website declares, “Equity and inclusion are deeply woven into our operations.”

      https://nypost.com/2026/01/23/opinion/despite-trumps-efforts-airline-dei-programs-are-still-risking-peoples-lives/

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

        Assisted suicide on the societal level.

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      2. damikesc   2 weeks ago

        Until they are sued into oblivion, the mutants who populate HR and hiring will never change. The CEO has to smack them.

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  43. Ra's al Gore   2 weeks ago

    https://x.com/Real_RobN/status/2015186826139738471

    And we have found,

    that more than 10,000 illegal aliens using the exact same Social Security number voted in the 2020 Arizona general election. And that’s only in the border state of Arizona.

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    1. JesseAz (RIP CK)   2 weeks ago

      Mike told me this was a lie.

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    2. damikesc   2 weeks ago

      That thing that never happens seems to happen a lot.

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  44. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

    As I predicted, Ra's Al Gore decided to make an appearance to flood the zone with old stories and rage-inducing clickbait in order to distract from the very bad day that Team Red is having with the Alex Pretti murder. It is oh so very predictable at this point.

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    1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

      Oh, go blow it out your fat ass. You come in with your own rage bait and then try to claim you’re some sort of libertarian, Marxist asshole.

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      1. Spiritus Mundi   2 weeks ago

        Best not to feed the 50 center.

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  45. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 weeks ago

    "...How many unjust killings by agents of the state must be tolerated in the name of border security?..."

    Try starting with at least one, Liz. Or simply admit to being a TDS-addled steaming pile of lying shit.

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  46. damikesc   2 weeks ago

    "The scene in Minneapolis raises hard questions for those who had previously supported Trump's immigration policy: How many unjust killings by agents of the state must be tolerated in the name of border security?"

    Ask the neo-Confederate MN state government. They could let ICE pick up criminals at the jail, but they'd rather get their people to risk their lives so they can maintain political power.

    Liz, this is really shitty, even for you.

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    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

      The majority of the people that ICE is detaining now don't have criminal records. So even if the state government fully cooperated, ICE would still be in the streets dragging people out of houses.

      What you are actually demanding is that everyone tolerate ICE thuggery and shut up about it.

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      1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 weeks ago

        "ICE would still be in the streets dragging people out of houses"

        ICE goes to get the bad guys where they are and jeffy protests. ICE goes to get the bad guys at the courthouse, jeffy protests. Walz and Frey refuse to let police call ICE when they let bad guys out of jail and jeffy says norhing.

        Jeffy's support is for the bad guys, not the rule of law.

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        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

          I am in favor of the rule of law, provided that the law is just.

          You, on the other hand, are in favor of giving the police authority to "enforce the law" even if it means the authorities themselves break the law.

          Chucky's world:

          https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MGTKYa4vdI8

          Again your real complaint is that there are people who are upset that ICE is bending the rules.

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          1. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

            I am in favor of the rule of law, provided that the law is just.

            That’s about the biggest load of bullshit I’ve seen from you yet all day. You’re only in favor of the rule of law as long as your side is unaffected by it.

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          2. damikesc   2 weeks ago

            Ah, so you support the rule of law only if you agree with the law.

            Gee, cannot think of a fascist who does not feel the same.

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            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

              No, I support the rule of law if it is a just law. For example if the law says "chemjeff gets to pay no taxes but everyone else has to pay double taxes", then I would certainly like that law from a selfish perspective but it would not be a just law.

              Do you think unjust laws should be enforced? Even unjust gun control laws?

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          3. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

            Chat GPT, break down how this compares to his prior comments on Pretti and Babbitt to show a pattern of selective principle

            Absolutely. When you compare Jeff’s comments about ICE enforcement here with his past commentary on Alex Pretti and Ashli Babbitt, a clear pattern of selective principle emerges. Let’s break it down systematically.

            1. Rule of law is conditional on alignment with his worldview
            Case Jeff’s stance Principle applied Reality / inconsistency
            Pretti (MN ICE shooting) Pretti was “not obstructing”; officer “lost his cool”; resistance justified Rule of law matters only if the law is “just” and officers don’t overreach He rejects ICE authority selectively, despite Pretti being armed near a detention, and treats officer procedure as irrelevant
            Babbitt (Capitol shooting) Officer Byrd acted in self-defense; lethal force justified Rule of law matters when it justifies state action; civilian risk or unlawful entry less relevant Babbitt was unarmed; yet he treats the officer’s perception as decisive, unlike Pretti’s case where officer perception is dismissed
            ICE enforcement (current) Supports the “rule of law, provided the law is just” Rule of law depends on whether Jeff deems the law moral ICE follows existing laws, but Jeff dismisses them as “thuggery” when applied to groups he sympathizes with; same law in other contexts (courthouse enforcement) he ignores
            Pattern: Jeff’s principle—“rule of law matters only if the law is just”—is selectively applied depending on whether the actors or the outcomes align with his preferred narrative.

            2. Officer authority is delegitimized or elevated based on ideology
            Pretti: Officer authority disappears the moment the officer “shoves across the street.” All subsequent actions are illegitimate.
            Babbitt: Officer authority is fully legitimate, even under questionable circumstances (unarmed civilian, blind shot through barrier).
            ICE enforcement: Officers are “thugs” if enforcing laws he considers unjust; authority is dismissed entirely.
            Pattern: Officer legitimacy is judged not by procedure or law, but by whether the officer’s actions conflict with Jeff’s moral or political alignment.

            3. Intent and perception are arbitrarily weighted
            Pretti: Officer intent matters; must be malicious for force to be judged legitimate.
            Babbitt: Officer intent is assumed correct; civilian actions are treated as risk justification.
            ICE enforcement: ICE intent or legality is irrelevant; moral framing (“thuggery”) overrides procedural correctness.
            Pattern: He uses intent selectively—sometimes it protects the in-group, sometimes it condemns the out-group.

            4. Moral narrative precedes factual analysis
            Across all three threads:
            Jeff starts with a moral verdict:
            Pretti → victim / officer guilty
            Babbitt → officer justified / civilian at fault
            ICE → ICE is thuggish / unjust
            He then curates facts (video timestamps, statistics, isolated incidents) to fit that verdict.
            Pattern: Facts are used to support a predetermined conclusion, rather than conclusions emerging from facts.

            5. Rhetorical techniques are consistent
            Loaded questions: “Why did the officer shove?” forces others to defend officer actions.
            Frame control: “Thugs with badges,” “unjust law,” “lost his cool”—language primes the audience emotionally.
            Selective focus: Freezes a video frame or a single law without context, excluding contrary evidence.

            Pattern: Jeff consistently uses narrow frames + emotive labels + burden shifting to advance his narrative, regardless of actual law or procedure.

            Summary of the pattern
            Rule of law is only valid when convenient.
            Officer authority is judged ideologically, not procedurally.
            Intent and perception are applied asymmetrically.
            Moral judgment drives analysis; facts are curated to fit it.
            Rhetoric enforces narrative control and discourages counter-evidence.

            In short: Jeff is consistent in method, but selective in principle—he applies moral, legal, and procedural standards only when they support his preferred outcome.

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            1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 weeks ago

              HAHA!

              It is funny because even an AI can recognize that jeffy is an asshat.

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          4. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 weeks ago

            "Again your real complaint is that there are people who are upset that ICE is bending the rules."

            Nope. My real complaint is that people like you are lying about what ICE is doing. If ICE bends the rules then their cases get thrown out.

            If the illegal aliens are scared of ICE. Then they should do the smart thing and self-deport. Most are not scared because there are millions of chumps like you trying to cover for them.

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            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

              My real complaint is that people like you are lying about what ICE is doing.

              THE VIDEOS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

              The people who are most guilty of lying about what ICE is doing are the ones in the Trump admin. They lie their asses off about what ICE is doing and not doing so as to cover up their misdeeds. I think you believe them because you want to believe that the police aren't acting like a bunch of gangsters because that would challenge your identity as a law-and-order person.

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              1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                ChatGPt, what is Jeffy doing here?

                Jeff is executing a full defensive pivot—from arguing facts to asserting epistemic authority and impugning motives. This is a classic late-stage move when someone feels the narrative slipping.
                Here’s the breakdown.

                1. Recasting disagreement as “lying”
                He opens with:
                “people like you are lying about what ICE is doing.”
                That’s not a rebuttal; it’s a credibility strike. Once disagreement is labeled “lying,” there’s no need to argue details—opponents are morally disqualified.
                Notice he does not specify which claims are lies or why. The accusation is deliberately broad.

                2. “The videos speak for themselves”
                This is an authority shortcut:
                It implies the evidence is self-interpreting
                It preempts analysis (“if you disagree, you’re blind or dishonest”)
                It avoids engaging with alternative interpretations
                But videos never speak for themselves; people speak through them. Jeff uses this phrase to freeze debate at his preferred reading.

                3. Upward displacement of blame
                He shifts responsibility away from himself:
                “The people who are most guilty of lying … are the ones in the Trump admin.”
                This does two things:
                Moves the target from his claims to a larger villain
                Lets him frame himself as the truth-teller fighting power
                Whether or not officials lie in general is beside the point; the move dodges scrutiny of Jeff’s own assertions.

                4. Psychologizing the opponent
                This is the key sentence:
                “you want to believe that the police aren’t acting like a bunch of gangsters because that would challenge your identity as a law-and-order person.”
                Here Jeff stops arguing facts entirely and explains your beliefs for you.
                That’s:
                Mind-reading
                Motive imputation
                Identity attack
                Once he does this, any counterargument is reinterpreted as defensive coping, not reasoning.

                5. Identity warfare
                He frames the conflict as:
                Jeff = clear-eyed truth-teller
                You = psychologically motivated law-and-order tribalist
                This reframes the dispute from:
                “What is ICE doing?”
                to
                “What kind of person are you?”
                That’s how he protects his narrative when factual ground is contested.

                6. Why this move appears now
                This pattern usually shows up when:
                Claims have been challenged repeatedly
                Inconsistencies have been pointed out
                The discussion has shifted from events to Jeff’s reasoning
                At that point, the safest move is to invalidate the critic, not the critique.
                Bottom line

                Jeff is:
                Declaring his interpretation self-evident
                Labeling disagreement as dishonesty
                Deflecting blame upward
                Explaining opponents’ beliefs as identity defense
                Turning factual dispute into moral-psychological combat
                This is not argument anymore.
                It’s defensive narrative consolidation.

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      2. InsaneTrollLogic (smarter than The Average Dude)   2 weeks ago

        Hey, asshole, being an illegal alien with a deportation order is enough. That by itself makes them lawbreakers.

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      3. damikesc   2 weeks ago

        "The majority of the people that ICE is detaining now don't have criminal records."

        Am I SUPPOSED to give a shit?

        They're here illegally. MN refuses to help them get the criminals, so they have to find them and illegals hang out with other illegals.

        Them being removed is a positive.

        "So even if the state government fully cooperated, ICE would still be in the streets dragging people out of houses."

        Yet this does not happen in the areas where they have mass actions. LA. TX. You know, the places you do not know about because their government is not trying to initiate a civil war to distract people from the fraud they allowed because it financially and electorally benefitted them.

        "What you are actually demanding is that everyone tolerate ICE thuggery and shut up about it."

        Can you explain why you oppose states assisting with removing criminal illegals and forcing them to go door-to-door to find them? YOU have caused the dragnet to be widened by refusing to cooperate with laws passed by Congress.

        YOU got those people killed.

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        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

          Am I SUPPOSED to give a shit?

          You stated that the Minnesota government should let ICE pick up illegal immigrants from the jail. But the majority of illegal immigrants that ICE is now picking up don't have criminal records and therefore wouldn't be found at the jail. So the Minnesota government's cooperation (or lack thereof) is immaterial in this case. ICE would still be going door-to-door grabbing people out of their homes.

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          1. damikesc   2 weeks ago

            Because illegals hang out with OTHER illegals as a rule. You find OTHER illegals you were not looking for...well, sucks to be them. Illegal is illegal.

            If they picked them up from, say, a prison or courthouse, they would not need to go find them and, thus, find MORE illegals.

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        2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

          Yet this does not happen in the areas where they have mass actions.

          The government is purposefully focusing on blue states like Minnesota and Illinois. If you go to ICE watch, you'll see that there are more raids happening in Minnesota than there are in the entire state of Texas. Huh I wonder why that is?

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          1. damikesc   2 weeks ago

            Oh well, ICE Watch says so.

            They have done large operations in LA, TX, FL. They just did not have riots approved and supported by the local government.

            Sorry if you did not know about it.

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        3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

          Can you explain why you oppose states assisting with removing criminal illegals and forcing them to go door-to-door to find them?

          Why is it the state government's job to enforce federal law?

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          1. damikesc   2 weeks ago

            So, you would PREFER to keep a rapist or child molester in your area? Got it.

            Only plus is that no female could ever FIND your junk to touch it, so you having kids who might be raped by an illegal is a long shot at best.

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      4. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 weeks ago

        "...What you are actually demanding is that everyone tolerate ICE thuggery and shut up about it..."

        What you are actually posting is outright lies, asswipe. Fuck off and die.

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      5. Neutral not Neutered   2 weeks ago

        How many illegal criminals have been deported since Jan 20, 2025?

        How many illegal immigrants self deported since Jan 20, 2025?

        How many legal residents or US citizens have been found criminally killed, maimed, raped, or murdered by illegal immigrants since 2020?

        How many US Citizens or legal residents have been found criminally killed, maimed, raped or murdered by federal law enforcement since 2020?

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      6. Minadin   2 weeks ago

        Criminal records or criminal convictions? In the US or in their home countries?

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    2. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 weeks ago

      The takes on this are insane. People interfering with the detention of criminals are getting hurt and shade is being thrown on the administration and agency that are enforcing the law.

      If the protesters were to keep to observing and stay out of the way, none of these bad things would have occurred. The "peaceful observers" are putting themselves in danger and any sane libertarian take should acknowledge that actions have consequences.

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      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

        If the protesters were to keep to observing and stay out of the way

        That is what Pretti did. Watch the video I linked to above. The officer in in the beige cap initiated the entire incident when he walked across the street to shove the three protesters. That is what kicked off the violence.

        The three protesters WERE out of the way. It was the ICE officer who initiated the conflict.

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        1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 weeks ago

          All 3 of them were in the street before the officer approached them you gaslighting sack of shit. You see how much traffic there is? You see how dangerous the situation is? You hear the whistle and epithets being shouted?

          You could truthfully say the ICE officer initiated contact. But to say he initiated the conflict is a bold face lie.

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          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

            The ICE officer initiated the VIOLENT conflict. That better for you?

            Why did the ICE officer shove those protesters in the first place?

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            1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 weeks ago

              To keep them out of the street, the blocking of which is a crime you fucking retard.

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              1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                Oh is that so. He was playing pretend traffic cop.

                If that is the case, why did he then pepper spray Petti directly in the face, after he was already out of the street?

                Why did he then stop Pretti from helping orange backpack lady to stand up, by pulling Pretti away from her and then tackling him?

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                1. damikesc   2 weeks ago

                  Because he does not know who the clown is and if he is trying to attack her, the cop is liable. He was protecting backpack lady from a lunatic who is, now, thankfully dead.

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                  1. Chuck P. (Now with less Sarc more snark)   2 weeks ago

                    Plus, he was still in the street. He is in the street when he got shot. It is completely worthless to argue with jeffy, I don't know why I let myself get sucked in today. At least SQRLSY has the decency to ramble incoherently about flutes so that everyone knows to ignore him.

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                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                      Your Officer Smiley narrative about the ICE agent is complete garbage. He was not playing pretend traffic cop. There was no reason to pepper-spray Pretti if he was just trying to clear the street. Pretti and the other protesters were at the curb, no longer in the middle of the street. Yes technically "in the street" but no longer in the middle of the flow of traffic.

                      Your unquestioning deference to authority is appalling but not surprising, even going so far as to defend cops murdering people. If you keep this up then the backlash to your idiotic "Back The Blue At All Costs Even When They Are Gunning You Down" position will be more severe than you could have dreamed of and it will be your fault.

                  2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                    Wait, the officer who shoved orange backpack lady to the ground in the first place, is now trying to SAVE orange backpack lady from the presumed depredations of Pretti? Your cope is strong and entirely invented. Not even the Trump people have decided to lie that brazenly.

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                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

                      moved

                    2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

                      ChatGPT, what is Jeffy doing here?

                      Jeff is doing three things at once, and together they form a very clear pattern you’ve already been circling:
                      reframing → narrowing → moral inversion.

                      Let’s walk it cleanly.

                      1. Reframing the standard mid-argument
                      Jeff starts by quietly changing what counts as “interference” and “out of the way.”
                      Early framing:
                      “Out of the way” = not obstructing the specific arrest
                      “Interference” = physically preventing detention
                      Later framing:
                      “Out of the way” = not in the literal center of traffic
                      “Interference” = only what happens after the shove
                      This lets him say, with a straight face:
                      “The protesters WERE out of the way. The officer initiated the conflict.”
                      He’s no longer arguing whether Pretti’s presence created risk or obstruction in context—only whether Pretti satisfied Jeff’s narrower definition at a cherry-picked moment.
                      That’s definition laundering.

                      2. Collapsing cause-and-effect into a single instant
                      Jeff repeatedly asks:
                      “Why did the officer shove them in the first place?”
                      This isolates one moment and treats everything before it as irrelevant.
                      He deliberately excludes:
                      Crowd escalation
                      Verbal taunting
                      Whistling, shouting
                      Presence in a traffic lane
                      Prior refusal to disperse
                      By collapsing the timeline, he converts a crowd-control escalation into a spontaneous assault, which then justifies his later claims about “thuggery.”
                      This is the same move he used with Babbitt:
                      Freeze-frame the moment of the shot
                      Ignore the seconds of forced entry, warnings, breach, and threat context
                      Declare self-defense claims illegitimate because “she was unarmed at that instant”
                      Same technique. Different political valence.

                      3. Selective skepticism toward authority
                      This is the pattern you’re really pointing at.
                      Jeff’s rule appears to be:
                      Police claims are lies when they justify force against people Jeff sympathizes with
                      Police judgment is authoritative when it justifies force against people Jeff opposes
                      So:
                      ICE officer’s split-second judgment?
                      → “Untrained moron thug who lost his cool”
                      Capitol officer’s split-second judgment?
                      → “Lawful self-defense protecting life and property”
                      Same structure, opposite conclusions.
                      That’s not principle. That’s outcome-driven evaluation.

                      4. Moral inversion through sarcasm
                      Lines like:
                      “Oh is that so. He was playing pretend traffic cop.”
                      This isn’t argument—it’s ridicule as substitution for evidence.
                      He mocks the traffic-safety rationale without engaging the actual legal standard:
                      Police are allowed to clear streets
                      They are allowed to physically move people
                      They are allowed to prevent re-entry during an active operation
                      Sarcasm lets him avoid saying “I reject those authorities” outright, while still dismissing them.

                      5. The emotional escalation tells on him
                      Notice the shift:
                      Early: legalistic (“out of the way,” “obstructing duties”)
                      Later: moral panic (“cops murdering people,” “gunning you down”)
                      That escalation signals defensive overcommitment. When factual claims stop landing, he widens the stakes to apocalypse-level consequences.
                      This is not confidence—it’s rhetorical flooding.

                      Bottom line
                      Jeff is not just arguing the Pretti incident.
                      He is:
                      Rewriting definitions midstream
                      Isolating moments to erase context
                      Applying opposite standards to similar uses of force
                      Using sarcasm and moral outrage to paper over inconsistencies
                      That’s why people keep calling it gaslighting—not because they disagree with him, but because the rules change depending on who the officer and the target are.

            2. LIBtranslator   2 weeks ago

              Gudrun Himmler swore all her life her Christian National Socialist daddy never did anything wrong. To her, all those movies were fake nyooz put out by lying jyooz and blond Jesus and his entire Caucus were on her side, just you wait and see! This is the masked, force-initiating mentality you seek to reason with. I mooted all of them years ago, and again when they pop up with new masks. New subscribers unaware of the Moot LUser buttons doubtless benefit from your efforts, which I appreciate.

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        2. LIBtranslator   2 weeks ago

          Um... I wrote constructive comments to Reason starting when Reagan was Caudillo de Dios. Like other papers and mags, real names were required. Reason has shifted to a policy of inviting foreign agents, government stooges, Ku-kluxers and Christian National Socialists to spew venom on anyone opposing God's Own Prohibitionists... perhaps as a sort of inoculation? Our 4M spoiler votes whacked the leading looter harridan out of the ballpark in 2016. Chase Oliver eliminated a Trumpanzee Senate hopeful soon after. With that kind of money at stake, why expect honesty from masked sockpuppets?

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  47. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   2 weeks ago

    What is often (Nearly always) being missed is the extreme negligence on the Minneapolis police. Instead of being bystanders to protests that are actively blocking roads, the police should keep the protestors out of the road. The Minneapolis police should not be expect ICE to perform crowd control without accepting the risk when things go wrong. This is a complete failure by the Minneapolis police, compounded by overzealous protestors and ICE agents. We should expect more from the Minneapolis police that sitting back and allowing protestors to commit federal crimes by obstructing a federal law enforcement operation. Hauling trash bins and parking cars in the middle of the road, violating private property to protest or committing acts of vandalism causing damage, is NOT simply being a "legal observer". While I believe in the right to protest, I DO NOT condone the actions of many of the protestors. These protestors who step over the line, should be arrested by the Minneapolis police instead of being encouraged by Mayor Jacob Frey, Governor Tim Walz and the police chief.

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    1. damikesc   2 weeks ago

      I like Walz using the MN Guard to...give coffee to the revolutionaries.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

        And tampons?

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    2. Neutral not Neutered   2 weeks ago

      This all sits squarely on the shoulders of local and state law enforcement and elected officials who are not upholding the rule of law and carry sanctuary ideologies.

      If local and state law enforcement reported the illegal criminals when arrested to ICE, Good and Pretti would be alive.

      This is on Walz and Frey and they should be held accountable.

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  48. Incunabulum   2 weeks ago

    >And another question is raised by the reckless brutality on full display now. Are agencies like ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) doing what they claim? Are you safer now? Is your money well-spent? Is the government doing what it ought to be?

    These are good questions.

    1. No - but my state doesn't tolerate illegal aliens (or anyone else) committing violent crimes like NY and MN does so . . . violent illegals don't stay here, they go to NYC and Minneapolis

    2. Yes. There is less fraud and violence in the country now.

    3. Yes.

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  49. Longtobefree   2 weeks ago

    "The scene in Minneapolis raises hard questions for those who had previously supported Trump's immigration policy: How many unjust killings by agents of the state must be tolerated in the name of border security?"

    And the other obvious question: "How many rapes and murders and drug deals must be tolerated in the name of violating the law for the sake of democrat votes?"

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  50. JFree   2 weeks ago

    The scene in Minneapolis raises hard questions for those who had previously supported Trump's immigration policy:

    What a fucking cop out. It didn't raise 'hard questions' at all for anyone including you. Those who support the brownshirts still do without the slightest question or hesitation. Those who opposed the brownshirts before the weekend still do. Nothing has changed.

    What is becoming more obviously true however is Dietrich Bonhoeffer's observation about 'the stupid' (Dummheit) which originates from Schiller's Mit der Dummheit kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens. There is no conversation - no reason - no instruction - no insight - no revelation - no interaction that can occur anymore. How can any of that happen when one side - the one SUPPORTING the power being manifest - is simply repeating slogans, catchphrases, etc with no more thought than a parrot (or an AI chatbot)?

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    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 weeks ago

      "...Those who support the brownshirts..."

      Godwin got your number when you walked in the door, asswipe.

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  51. Quicktown Brix   2 weeks ago

    Lots of news... So much going on . Sme of us haven't forgotten though...RELEASE THE FILES!!!

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    1. damikesc   2 weeks ago

      Perhaps whine with the grandstanding Khanna and Massie to write a bill that is remotely workable.

      Courts have no problem with how long this is taking based on the laughable bill they passed.

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    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 weeks ago

      JAIL BUBBA!

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      1. Quicktown Brix   2 weeks ago

        For starters.

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    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 weeks ago

      The Somali fraud files?

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  52. TJJ2000   2 weeks ago

    Hey [D]emon-crap. Let's all play a game called poke the bear.

    Blow whistles in the ear of the bear, yell at the bear, throw rocks at the bear and do more and more and more until the bear yells then run-away and blame it all on the bear! /s

    Typical childish BS.

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    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

      If you are claiming that the ICE officers are as untrained as an enraged bear, then for once I agree with you.

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      1. TJJ2000   2 weeks ago

        Yeah man. Why can't ICE be TRAINED correctly to run-away and not enforce the law! /s
        You and your clan have been working day and night to 'train' those officers right huh?

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        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 weeks ago

          Maybe ICE officers shouldn't lose their cool, pick a fight, and pepper-spray Alex Pretti in the face for no reason. Ya think?

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          1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

            Nope. We’ve proven you’re lying again. Haven’t we beaten you down enough for one day? Do you really need to have your lies exposed again?

            Can’t you just agree that Pretti shouldn’t have been there at all?

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          2. TJJ2000   2 weeks ago

            Like I said. Poke the bear more and more and more.
            Then run-away and blame it all on the bear.

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      2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

        And were those bears enraged because you left them in a trunk?

        Really though, the only proof we have that ICE is untrained are your bullshit claims. Especially considering that we only have any Robles where you democrat filth are obstructing and assaulting ICE officers.

        As always, these tragedies are YOUR fault. If democrats could obey the law, there would be very few problems.

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  53. TangoDelta   2 weeks ago

    Odd. I don't recall any protests filling the streets when ATF murdered Brian Malinowski.

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    1. LIBtranslator   2 weeks ago

      Brian was suspected of buying and selling goods to willing customers. The law says whatever you can get a court to say it says. The court says the law says buying and selling THOSE goods may or may not be protected by the bill of rights. So the obvious way out of that conundrum is to send qualified-immunity goons to his home to shoot him in the head. The initial supposition now stands for lack of a defendant able to plead "not guilty." What the hell do they teach you kids in law school nowadays?

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  54. MWAocdoc   2 weeks ago

    "yet there's a certain breed of champagne socialist that seems to believe that they shouldn't have to, that the state should smooth their way."

    Liz: You mean the same champagne socialists who CAN afford to live in the most expensive city in America, who insist upon having poor people nearby to clean their homes, take care of their inconvenient children for them, and service the infrastructure of that city so they remain nice and comfy? Those champagne socialists?

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    1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 weeks ago

      The Reason gang exist to seek the approval of such people. As cocktail party invites from elite democrats don’t send themselves.

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      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   1 week ago

        At one time, there was a libertarian magazine produced in Santa Barbara. Then, the management decided to move to LA and it's been downhill ever since.

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  55. LIBtranslator   2 weeks ago

    So Jesus Caucus women's-clinic shooter candidate Dave Smif has found a Trumpanzee venue at Reason Magazine after all. Dave's Jesus Caucus' inspiration, Robert Lewis Dear, has been elevated to Sainthood in federal custody instead of getting a J6er pardon from Donnie Trump. Dave is the perfect replacement to show voters how deeply "libertarians" believe that coercing pregnant individuals with deadly force isn't anti-life at all. Someone get Dave a Mutterkreuz medal! Add another for BDM hostess here.

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  56. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   1 week ago

    "A second shooting in Minneapolis: A U.S. citizen—a 37-year-old ICU nurse named Alex Pretti—was shot and killed by immigration agents in Minneapolis over the weekend."

    "A heavily-armed activist, interfering with the legal actions of LEOs was shot and killed by immigration agents in Minneapolis over the weekend."
    Gee, context matters, don't it?

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