Renee Good Was a Casualty of Trump's Order Against 'Political Violence'
The administration's written policies make it likely that more people like Renee Good will be targets, and victims, of ICE.
Last week in Minneapolis, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent Jonathan Ross shot and killed Renee Good, who had been blocking traffic with her car. Right away, federal officials claimed Good had tried to run Ross over, characterizing her as a terrorist and implying she got what she deserved.
The video evidence, at the very least, casts doubt on the idea that Ross was in any immediate danger. The FBI is investigating the shooting, even preventing Minnesota police from doing so.
But Good's death is a perfectly foreseeable result of the current presidential administration's written policies, which treat left-wing protesters akin to terrorists and deserving of violent crackdowns.
"Heinous assassinations and other acts of political violence in the United States have dramatically increased in recent years," according to a National Security Presidential Memorandum (NSPM-7) that President Donald Trump signed in September. The order described a "pattern of violent and terroristic activities under the umbrella of self-described 'anti-fascism.'"
Last month, Attorney General Pam Bondi issued a memo to federal prosecutors and law enforcement agencies, containing directives on putting the order into practice. "To fully implement NSPM-7," Bondi directed "all federal law enforcement agencies" to, among other tasks, "compile a list of groups or entities engaged in acts that may constitute domestic terrorism."
To define terrorism, both Trump's order and Bondi's memo conflated violence with activity protected by the First Amendment. Trump listed, as markers of anti-fascist terrorism, ideological beliefs like "anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, and anti-Christianity." Bondi, on the other hand, gave examples of "domestic terrorism" that included "organized rioting, looting, doxing," and "conspiracies to impede or assault law enforcement."
Assaulting law enforcement deserves little leeway, but "impeding" could be completely nonviolent, and it certainly doesn't rise to the level of terrorism. And yet within hours of Good's death at the hands of a government agent, federal officials—including Vice President J.D. Vance and Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem—jumped to the conclusion that Good was a terrorist, seemingly based on nothing more concrete than that she was impeding an ICE operation.
"People who conspire to engage in actual criminal behavior should be investigated, arrested, and prosecuted," Adam Goldstein, an attorney with the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (FIRE), wrote in December about Trump's order and Bondi's memo. "But these memos aren't narrowly focused on groups that exist for the purpose of ideologically motivated violence, which act to bring about violence; they broadly condemn particular viewpoints and lay a foundation for a government watchlist of American groups which share those viewpoints."
Trump's order and Bondi's memo set up the exact scenario playing out, in which federal law enforcement officers treat nonviolent protesters as terrorists and expand their dragnet past what the Constitution allows.
As Reason's Jacob Sullum noted this week, the FBI's inquiry into the shooting seems focused on Good's anti-ICE activism—which, Sullum notes, "seem[s] irrelevant" in determining whether the shooting was justified: "At the time, Ross knew nothing about Good's background, so that information could not possibly have influenced his perception of the danger she posed."
In recent days, in fact, six Department of Justice prosecutors resigned over both the government's refusal to investigate Ross and its insistence on instead investigating Good and her widow.
The administration's written policy on left-wing protesters makes it more likely not only that more people like Renee Good will become victims of ICE, but that nonviolent activists will be ensnared in federal prosecutors' investigations.
"It remains unclear whether the [FBI] inquiry in Minnesota will include allegations of domestic terrorism," The New York Times wrote this week. "But if it does, Ms. Bondi's memo could give investigators latitude to move beyond the customary practice of focusing such investigations only on people engaged in or plotting violence."
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Open borders policies and encouragement for left-wing political activism is what led to her death. Zero respect for the law and a sense of entitlement created her perceived immunity from consequences for her violations of law and the rights of others.
Get fucked. You guys encourage her bs and are waving the bloody teeshirt trying to start the next civil war.
No one is happier about Goode's death than the leftist open borders' ghouls at Reason.
Renee Good is a causality of her own illegal actions. What's with the glamor shot of her being the only one used. Why not use a recent picture with her lesbian lover showing her as an out of control leftist agitator? Looks like the msm is trying to do to her what they did with Trayvon using his boy scout picture or Mr Hands Up using his graduating picture.
Wow. The statists are out tonight. What laws exactly did this innocent lady violate? She (an American) refused to bow to the statists?
Hope you like sucking ICE cock. They'll come over to your house next.
Heya, go ahead and punch the gas, Drive Baby Drive, the car straight toward a law enforcement officer striking him and you will find out quickly which laws you broke.
You realize that both state and Federal laws state a car hitting a person of law is in fact a criminal act that they can use self defense to counter. these laws have nothing to do with Trump. And Yes video evidence is clear he was hit there is no question along with his medical condition. why does Reason not believe the evidence before their eyes, does Reason close their eyes when shown the video
Exact same playbook with rittenhouse where reason ignored every actual fact including video.
Not sure how they can even claim they support self defense at this point.
Renee Good Was a Casualty of Trump's Order Against 'Political Violence'
This is such a BS take! she was the casualty of weaponized stupidity. She was radicalized by her 'in group' and the Soros funded enablers and made to believe by the press that the righteous cause protester was untouchable by law enforcement. Because of THAT she figured she could just ignore, insult and ultimately speed away disregarding lawful orders to submit to authority... speed away... OVER the avatar of the idea of enemy that was implanted in her brainwashed head.
Useful idiot because they brainwashed her into putting herself in a very volatile, dangerous situation as if all you earn are gold stars and non-lethal non-consequences. The fatal result which - again, is a win for the intifada according to the Hamas playbook.
More of reasons freedom from responsibility. Never any agency. Never any consequence.
Useful idiot is putting it mildly. The people who organized these protests sent Goode out there hoping she would get shot. People like Goode are so stupid they don't understand that.
They are simultaneously convinced that they're fighting Orange Hitler who is using his Gestapo to fill concentration camps, but that they will be able to stop them with bad parking, cowbells, and bullhorns.
And they all go on TV calling him a dictator and Hitler without consequence.
They aren't smart people.
That poser tool Tom Morello went to the White House to show off his fighting fascism shirt to his millions of followers. The people stirring them up profit off of their stupidity, so why wouldn't they keep encouraging them?
Sadly I really like Morello's guitar playing.
I wish he would stick with that like all other entertainers. Entertain us.
Rage had their message in their words in the songs. No need to be in the press.
I'm certainly no Chess Grandmaster, but I can recognize a pawn on the board when I see it.
Ron, you all have access to the videos in Russia no? He easily sidestepped the car, even with a cellphone in his hand filming. His buddy who was trying to jack her is to blame. He escalated the situation. The masks don't help. When people with masks try to break into your car all bets are off. They did not have the right. It was a police matter, not an ICE matter.
I somehow knew Putin was behind this all along. That monster!
Russians... Russians everywhere. You're probably a Russian too. Just ask Whoopi and Robert De Niro.
No, you dumb cunt. You can’t rationalize your way out of this. She hit him with her vehicle, and reaped the whirlwind. Case closed.
You may fuck off now, m’kay?
Horrible take. She was interfering with ICE so it was ICE's job to remove the obstruction. They tried originally by ordering her out of the car. She refused and drove off. She hit the officer and was shot as a result. Its tragic and avoidable, but still a justifiable shooting.
The police that decided Derek Chauvin would make a fine training officer? That MPD?
Is that the same Derek Chauvin who had a drug addict O.D. on him, and then got scapegoated and lynched by the ruling class so they could run a colour revolution on Trump?
No. It is the same Chauvin who stzte policing experts testified he followed MPD training.
Impressive being wrong on effectively everything you said. These are legitimate law enforcement operations, she was talking to, and taunting the ICE officers before this happened, and she knew exactly who they were and she was there intentionally to block traffic. Awful but lawful, and more will happen if idiots continue to attack law enforcement. Go watch a few hours of body cam footage, because clearly you have no idea how law enforcement operates when deadly weapons are involved, and neither did she apparently.
Fuck off you delusional twit. Willful ignorance is not defensible.
Lol, a "person of law"? Is this like "person of color"? I didn't see her even hit the car and if the "person of law" was following his training and was following his own agency's rules, he wouldn't have put his body in front of that car in the first place.
Typically when someone gets out of a car while parked across two lanes blocking traffic the driver would wait for the passenger to get in before driving off.
And typically when law enforcement tells someone to get out of the vehicle they comply and not try to drive away laughing as if it's not a serious situation.
"People who conspire to engage in actual criminal behavior should be investigated, arrested, and prosecuted,"
The Department of Justice investigating and prosecuting people engaged in criminal conspiracies? The nerve of those guys.
Goode was not killed in an act of protest or civil disobedience. Protesting and civil disobedience means going there and peacefully blocking the road and getting yourself arrested. It doesn't mean blocking the road and then trying to run over the cops when they come to arrest you.
The bottom line is that Reason is fine with any amount of violence and chaos as long as it is done to further the cause of open borders and endless cheap labor. They are principled like that.
Basically. No chance that might harm libertarianism in the long run.
The good thing is that Reason has lost all credibility with most of the libertarian movement.
No they haven't. They've lost creditability with YOU. The solution is simple. Unsubscribe.
Maybe you incorrectly think you are libertarian?
I'm not convinced she was trying to run anyone over. But that's really not relevant either way. If someone looks like they are going to run you over, you have no access to their intentions and can reasonably conclude that they mean you harm and act as necessary. Even if your intent is just to engage in some civil disobedience, if your actions present a threat to someone, you have to deal with the consequences.
We will never know what she was actually thinking. I agree. I don't think she went there to kill anyone. Like so many other gentry class leftists, she didn't seem to comprehend that there could be consiquences to her actions. I think she thought she could go there and obstruct federal law enforcement and they would just take it and nothing would happen. She really didn't think it was going to get her arrested as crazy as that sounds. Then when she realized they were going to arrest her, she panicked and tried to run away and got herself shot for the trouble.
I blame her because she is an adult and should have known better. I also blame the media and the entire mass culture for creating a class of people, mostly women, who have been coddled and insulated from reality to such a degree. Someone like Goode is totally incapable of accepting that her side lost the election and the other side gets a few of the things they want as a consequence. No, she must always get her way all the time. You can't have a civilization much less a democratic republic with people like that.
Bet I can tell you what the last thing to go through her mind was, though.
Too soon?
There's a Shawshank Redemption joke here somewhere.
I’m hearing it in Morgan Freeman’s voice now.
Their words and smiling, both perps in my opinion, confirmed they thought it was party time and unserious.
After seeing Ross's video I'm more convinced that she intended exactly what she did: clipping him. Obviously we can't guarantee what her intent was, but her facial expression, eye contact, and wheel position all suggest to me that she intended harm or at a minimum held a malevolent disregard for his safety.
As you stated (and Reason keeps denying) her actions justified a lethal use of force. I'm just not going to shed any tears for someone looking for trouble and finding it. That's a Darwin award well earned.
She literally turned her wheels AWAY from the ICE agent. There's no crime that big government cocksuckers won't forgive.
Seek help you delusional fool.
Sorry to nit-pick, but blocking a road isn't peaceful. It's an act of force, warranting a forceful response like hauling a punk off the pavement by the scruff of his neck.
-jcr
In this case, an ICE agent, whose training instructs him not to interfere with US citizens at all shot her three times, killing her. That forceful response is totally disproportionate to her act of force. She also wasn't blocking a road, she was attempting to leave the scene when she was shot.
Your willful ignorance is your demise. Seek help.
I feel like the Blues Brothers explaining this to the Penguin here...
"You were directly interfering with armed federal agents."
"I said that looked like a bad idea."
"You got shot, and I said, 'Gee, I guess you're up shit creek.'"
This has actually reached the point of insanity.
It's truly amazing how people are doubling down on the lie that Good was 'murdered' for protesting. They seem convinced that all they have to do is scream a lie long enough to make it true.
Repeat a lie often enough, and have it repeated by MSM sources, and it becomes the truth (to some idiots who can't think for themselves).
Reason is one of those sources. No better than the MSM DNC operatives.
Global warming, Hunter Biden's laptop, Border agents on Horseback whipping illegals like slaves, Pee tape, Russia collusion, fine people, etc etc...
Lol, she was a 'target' of ice.
Clown world.
There she was, minding her own business, when all of a sudden...
The video evidence, at the very least, casts doubt on the idea that Ross was in any immediate danger.
This is 100% a lie at this point.
Seems he was injured, so there is no question he was in danger. I'm not sure he was actually in danger of death, but he didn't know what her intention was, so it was reasonable to treat the situation that way. That's how self defense works. And why you don't fuck around and behave in any kind of threatening way when dealing with someone who is armed.
He got hit by a car causing internal bleeding. If that isn't imminent danger of death or great bodily harm, nothing is. You don't have to actually die to be in danger.
One way to look at a police shooting is what would you expect the person who got shot to do otherwise. For example, in the infamous case where the guy answered the door and the cops were conducting a drug raid at the wrong house and they shot him because they thought the TV remote he had in his hand was a gun, there really isn't anything you could expect the guy to do any differently. In this case, I don't think expecting Goode to stop when the cops tell her to stop and one of them is standing in front of her car is an unreasonable expectation.
"seems" being the operative word. Don't forget that they lied about being stuck in snow and being run over and her being a domestic terrorist when she was just a panicked dissenter. So with all those lies and a video of Ross sauntering off unharmed and you all actually believe it when they say he had "internal bleeding"? What is wrong with you all?
I'm not certain of anything, but it sure looks like he got hit in the available video.
He had internal injuries. So he was absolutely hit.
I’m certain he got hit because I believe my non-lying eyes.
@Heraclitus That's a shit take dude/tte.
Tell me you've never been involved in an intense, high-stress situation and suffered an injury without telling me you've never been.
Adrenaline, shock, and other physiological stress-responses allow humans to briefly perform super-human feats, including "walking off," even catastrophic, injuries temporarily.
There's a DUI check point near my house tonight. I'm going to get a bunch of the homies together and circle and honk and warn everyone approaching the checkpoint. When LE decides they've had enough of my shenanigans, tells me to get out of the car, I'm going to turn my wheels ever-so-slightly away from the approaching cop and drive away.
Me or my widow will report back tomorrow.
If the LEO is well-trained, he will just shoot out your tires.
-jeff
If you can't shoot a vehicle in the leg, are you capable of doing real law enforcement?
What about shooting the bear in the trunk?
Conversely, Jeffy can barely reach for the remote. And doing so leaves him winded.
a video of Ross sauntering off unharmed
Cite?
Isn't the point of self-defense that you don't die? I guess if she had pancaked him he would be justified, but since that didn't happen he's not by Reason logic?
he may have walked off for the moment, Adrnalin is a powerful drug till it wears off
"Panicked dissenter"?
"Drive, baby, drive!"
*Bang!*
Do you mean the driver was afraid to disobey her spouse?
How was she a "target"? ICE would have had nothing to do with her had she not targeted them for harassment and interference and put herself into a stupid and dangerous situation.
She wasn't. She and her partner were following ICE around, harassing them. And, based on the statements / taunts of her partner, on video, this wasn't their first encounter or even first day. As the guy is filming the vehicle and the license plate in particular, she says something along the lines of 'We don't change our plates every day, dude!'
Hey, you’re supposed to know Sarc, Am I correct in thinking that he’s kind of a scrawny, 60’ish desiccated, grizzled semi-hobo? That’s the image I have in my head, and I’m curious if it matches reality.
Reasons coverage here has finally become worse than their coverage of Rittenhouse. Bordering on the BLM coverage.
Always defending left activist violence. Never even thinking the lefts violence is a NAP violation.
Can we now start discussing the fact that something has to be done about the democrat party, or will everyone keep pretending I don’t say this here every day?
Ive been saying this for a decade. Ever since soros walked through reasons doors.
Yeah, but I seem to be the only one openly calling for the elimination of their party, and mass incarceration of known Marxists. Although I’m careful with my phrasing so it can’t be construed as some kind of criminal incitement. As I envision this as a joint federal/citizen nationwide effort.
Maybe some think I’m LE attempting to trick people into something dumb and illegal like the crooked entrapment scheme the Feds used to entrap that guy into kidnapping Whitmer. I am not. I want a government backed Neo McCarthyistic movement to marginalize and destroy these people.
The last year has shown that free range radical Marxist democrats are untenable. Everyone needs to get off their ass and help push that. Im personally trying to mount pressure on the City of Spokane to eliminate its sanctuary policies in light of Trump cutting off federal funds next month. And I’m also looking at opportunities to sue notable Marxist types. Which is a start. Ideally all these pole should be indefinitely detained until we can figure out what to do about them.
Ragebait 301 Final Examination grade:
C-
Apply yourself and try harder next time Mr. Lancaster.
She is responsible for her own death.
Bingo. Open-and-shut case of Suicide By Cop. If you don't want to get shot, don't try to kill a guy by running him over.
-jcr
Amusing story of the day:
FL Democrat Mark Davis, running for Congress, noted on X that the site nazis.us redirects to DHS.
People then noticed that the owner of nazis.us was...Mark Davis. Did not even pay to have godaddy keep his registration private.
Dems are the nut worst.
Not only that, but in the video he posted to show everyone where the domain pointed, you can see in his history the godaddy registration.
https://x.com/PubWanghaf/status/2011612012502249826
They really do the best hoaxes.
Hahahaha
Lancaster is a casualty of lefty higher education in Journalism.
That major's version of 'Higher Education' is learning about bong hits.
Good's murder will not go unanswered.
So you are admitting that leftists are terrorists. Good to know.
Tony is too chickenshit to be a terrorist but he'll be more than happy to incite.
I believe the leftist and progressive activists are already privately exclaiming "THANK YOU ! WE HAVE OUR MARTYR"
... so , it has already been answered.
The press is also answering with thanks... ratings and narrative push... a win win!
btw... you use the word 'murder' .... I dont think it means what you think it means.
The good news is they have their martyr. The bad news is no one but dumb white people care about a white lesbian who got into it with the cops. They choose poorly.
Yup. Already tons of videos of all the wokesters doing the
"ummmm please stop using 'say her name' for renee good, that is something reserved for black women, please and thanks"
and the white woman self flagellating that maybe she shouldnt feel as bad because of good's privilege as a white woman, and her white tears maybe wouldn't help right now (this was my favorite, and literally where I think I saw the last hope for white women writ large fade away)
White progressives are in a suicidal empathy spiral that I think they cant recover from
They really are. Good went out and got herself killed for the cause and her thanks is "you really can't be too upset about the death of a white person". I think Good was an idiot and don't blame ICE for shooting, but Jesus Christ, you would think the left would at least be thankful for her sacrifice. Nope. None of the of the white leftists seem to be bothered by the idea that even dying for the cause will not make them worthy in party's eyes. It is some really twisted shit.
She was not murdered.
She was entertainingly self-defensed.
entertainingly self-defensed
Now, I'm not saying women can't drive. I'm just saying that if Renee Good were a little better at steering her vehicle around ICE operations and federal agents, we wouldn't be reading about how she was a casualty of Trump's policies.
Or if Jabba the Hutt's understudy could follow a direction, we would have had less drama.
It is just odd how anytime the Left bitches about something, Reason seems to always take their side.
Jesus. It wasn't murder. Seems clear to me that it was self defense. Even if it somehow weren't legal self defense, it still wouldn't be murder as his intent was presumably (and would be argued to be in court) not to kill her but to stop a real threat that actually existed. There is no question here that he was in actual danger and he had no way to know what her actual intent was.
You want to argue that this was handled badly, fine. But calling it murder is just hyperbole or ignorance.
It was only attempted murder. The brave ICE agent survived her attempt.
But if you want to ‘avenge’ that, come over to Spokane, and we’ll deal with you in a similar manner,
Retarded rhetoric, like your post, got Good killed, and will get more people killed.
The blood is on your hands, and those like you, and its only gonna get worse
He’s commie scum. Blood on his hands is nothing new.
Fuck off commie scum.
We can only hope that Tony becomes a good commie, and the sooner the better.
They will build her a statue.
Wonder if they will get her eyes right.
Then tear it down because she was White.
How will or might it be answered exactly? Please enlighten.
Maybe some think Ashli Babbitt's murder won't go unanswered, as well.
Who is this?
KAR or Sarcasmic I imagine as they are the ones who tried to pull this in the past.
Sarc admitted to cloning you.
I'm a commenter who came with the Volokh Conspiracy. I've been posting under this handle for years, used to be Millennial Lawyer.
Ahh. Youre that lefty. Aboard during thr wapo stop if I remember. Worst stop VC could ever have.
Well that's fine then.
Sorry for the paranoia, but I've had too many trolls here pretending to be me in the last few years.
I'm generally against the concept of Felony Murder, but if they decided to go after Becca Good for this incident, I wouldn't be too broken up about it.
If she hasn't learned her lesson already, she never will.
Based on her statements since and the fact she is handing over her video, dont think she learned anything.
Why not?
Ashli Babbitt's murder went unanswered.
And she was completely unarmed, with not even a SMART car to run over Michael Byrd
Yeah, but I’d she had, all he would have to do is hold his hand in front of him to stop it.
"People who conspire to engage in actual criminal behavior should be investigated, arrested, and prosecuted,"
Wasn't ICE in the process of arresting this woman for engaging in criminal behavior (blocking the road was obstruction, refusing lawful orders to leave) before she defied the order to get out of her car and then engaged in resisting arrest, reckless driving, assault with a dangerous weapon, etc.?
why yes, yes she was
FIFY
Last week in Minneapolis, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent Jonathan Ross shot and killed Renee Good, who
had been blocking trafficattempted to run him over with her car.FIFY
Except its hard to judge her intent when she's dead. More accurately you should say "who endangered him with her car, either maliciously, or in an attempt to flee". I doubt she would have been convicted of attempted murder if she had been arrested instead of killed -- she was turning her wheels away from the officer. Probably vehicular assault or at least reckless endangerment though.
Had she waited for the other to get in the car after yelling Drive Baby Drive then the ICE officer would have been beside the car and the two would be together in jail.
a lady just got murdered by the federal government. Are there no libertarians here?
A woman put herself into a situation that resulted in her death.
FTFY.
Libertarians believe in the NAP, which she violated.
I think this is a very easy one for libertarians.
ICE has definitely been over the top on some arrests, and has stepped too far at times. There should be zero times a US citizen is unlawfully detained or beaten. Not cool.
Good's case is just not defensible in any way. Its not great that she got killed, she should have just been arrested. But its a Darwin award. Similar to saying "damn, it really sucks that dude that rubbed himself in steaks and then ran into the Tiger pit got mauled and eaten, but it completely makes sense how it came about"
She put herself there, she impeded the feds purposefully, she and her partner mocked them, then upon being arrested for doing the things she was doing, she didnt listen to the *consistent* commands of "got out of the car" and she recklessly tried to drive away, driving into an agent who responded in basically a split second and shot her.
Libertarians are for personal responsibility and accountability. She fucked around in like 5 different ways, and she paid the price. When im getting a speeding ticket, I keep both hands on the wheel and say yes sir no sir. One would think these Karens would have a little more caution when dealing with "the new Gestapo / SS" as they have called them.
Whats happened is these mentally ill women have had decades of civil rights protests, BLM, the holocaust, nazis, etc all piped into their heads and they think they are going to LARP as le resistance. Consequences arent very fun
Well stated. You don't have to love everything (or even anything) ICE is doing to see that this was at least justifiable self defense under the circumstances.
>>a lady just got murdered by the federal government.
this is why there is jury deselection.
It’s also why I always say leftists lie.
Murder is illegal homicide.
Her homicide was legal. It would have been legal if you had done it.
You guys keep using that word, but still don’t know what it means.
Lady? cite
"It's wrong to characterize leftists who throw bricks at cars, shoots at ICE and burns elderly Jews on the streets as terrorist"
Well, that's a hell of a take.
Good belonged to an organization called "ICEwatch". Their own playbook shows that they intend to disrupt and target ICE, not to merely observe them. Replace ICE in "ICEwatch" with "black". Get the picture?
The KKK isn't a terrorist organization if all they do is burn crosses in their own backyard. If they obstructed traffic and blow whistles in front of a black church, then their actions become much more sinister. And if a KKK member drove right at a black pastor like Good did on that officer, 100% of the media would call that domestic terrorism.
It does not matter that no one knew Good was part of any organization right at that moment. Because there was an established pattern of violence on ICE, it's more than fair to assume the Good had hostile intention. If I a see a bunch of people with pro pal gear shouting "from river to the sea" I'm going to assume they want to harm Jews, one way or another.
"And if a KKK member drove right at a black pastor like Good did on that officer, 100% of the media would call that domestic terrorism."
100% of the left seems to think the guy who's car got surrounded at Charlottesville and he panicked and drove through the protestors, killing one of them, was a domestic terrorist who did a bad thing.
100% of them also think it is a perfectly rational and just response when surrounded by officers arresting you for a crime.
They dont have principles, they dont have standards, they just have an ideology and anyone who stands in the way of it should be subject to everything they have previously stated was wrong, because its always "by any means necessary" with this cult. There are no rules, only weapons
We truly have entered into some sort of bizzaro world where, apparently it is perfectly acceptable drive into a federal law enforcement operation, obstruct and impede. Strike a federal LEO with enough force to cause internal bleeding and then expect no consequences. This is a textbook case of FAFO.
Reason has jumped the shark.
Reason's clear message is that no citizen is required to obey any law enforcement officer. This makes them not libertarians, but anarchists.
The "rule of law" starts with obeying it.
Reeeeason is batting 100 for taking the side of criminals.
"Target harassment and violent attacks on any group is wrong, no matter what the cause"
It's not that hard. Really, it's not that hard. No mob should actually bang drums and blow whistles on neighborhood with illegals. No vigilante group should block the entrance of a synagogue. No law enforcement officials should ever live in fear of being gunned down in their own homes by a citizen of his own nation.
Would you want MAGA to do this every time cops came to confiscate guns without warrant? Should Asians riot in ivy schools that filter out Asian applicants? Should Jews seek vengeance on Muslim neighborhoods?
This isn't about ICE anymore. This is about what kind of country or society you want to live in. What kind of country release an illegal alien criminal onto streets, then says "tough luck pal" if he squats in my home? Why pay taxes if the cops just won't even show up anywhere with ICE? what if ICE protesters start burning down homes? What if firefighter can't put it out because there's no water in the reservoir?
What if Korea teamed up with Israel to hunt down Hamas? The police of America will surely protect me from random pro pal gangs from harassing my people for being Jewish patsies, right? If ICE comes to deport someone who threw a rock at me, the libtards will stand down, right?
"Why am I paying taxes for" - this is a question that will rage on among people who actually pay taxes. The Asians in SF have been pondering that for years.
Impeding federal law enforcement is a crime. In fact impeding the local sheriff is a crime. It doesn't matter if you disagree with their enforcement objectives. I'm not happy that this woman was dead but if she had simply left when she was told to she'd probably still be alive. Libertarianism requires personal responsibility and a respect for the rule of law. We don't have to agree with the law but we have to accept the consequences if we defy it.
what a disgusting take. you are a confederate.
Renee Good died trying to kill somebody, Brian Sicknick's death was unrelated to J6, Joseph Rosenbaum was trying to kill Rittenhouse along with Grosskreutz, George Floyd died of an overdose and the "knee in the neck" had absolutely nothing to do with his demise.
Every Democratic party martyr (except Sicknick) was a murderous thug who died in the commission of a crime.
Reason is participating knowingly in propaganda.
Every Democratic party martyr (except Sicknick)
Sicknick wasn't used as a martyr. He was used as a prop.
Good distinction.
Not being able to breathe certainly contributed to Mr. Floyd's death. He was already subdued, why the excessive force?
Mr Floyd. JFC.
So Trump 's order forced this woman to go to an ICE operation, interfere with official business and harass the officers, park her car in their way, refuse to surrender, attempt to escape, and drive in the direction of an officer? Fuck, if he's that powerful, can Trump sign an order that Sydney Sweeney is to fall desperately in love with me?
Just order up a Sydney Sweeny for everyone.
In the name of fairness.
This ties into my idea to produce an army of genetically engineered Sydney Sweeney Super Soldiers. The enhancements include an innate attraction to their fellow super clones.
My first thought was to conquer the world with them, but most likely I would never have the spare energy to leave the house.
He could. But you gotta give him something back in return, "Art of the Deal" style. Do you happen to have $2.5 billion dollars? If you do, you could probably skip the middleman and go straight to Sweeneyville.
I voted for him three times, does that count for anything?
Sweeney I’ll sounds pretty awesome.
If you wonder why I disappear from the comments for months at a time, look no further than anything by Joe Lancaster. What a fucking waste of a supposedly libertarian space.
She blocked traffic for 10 minutes, fled when given a lawful order to get out of the car and struck an officer with her vehicle on an icy road. People are responsible for their own actions, you insufferable cunt!
Just skip the articles and stick to the commentariat.
The last Presidential nominee for the Libertarian Party is weighing in:
https://x.com/ChaseForLiberty/status/2011243394262040627
It's hilarious that the first reply is a socialist deifying Luigi Mangione.
Why am I not surprised he had a fucking retarded take mixed with an assload of not actually happening hyperbole?
What a piece of shit.
You aren't a victim of anything when you obstruct federal law enforcement in the legal pursuit of their duties and then put an officer in a position where he feels endangered. You are a jackass if that's your take.
"...You are a jackass if that's your take."
You are entirely too kind to the asswipe Lancaster.
Just popped in to make sure the libertarian peasants are defending masked federal goons murdering people.
All good. Libertarianism intact.
With all the 'honesty' you've exhibited for years!
Fuck off and die, fuckwit.
Oh, did your male persona take over for a little bit? We’ve been dealing ‘Molly’ lately.
So of you off yourselves, is it considered murder or suicide?
>The administration's written policies make it likely that more people like Renee Good will be targets, and victims, of ICE.
Good was a victim of nothing more than Good's own idiocy.
She chose to go down there to interfere. She chose to interfere. She chose to try to run someone over.
To try to blame this on anyone else is ridiculous. Lancaster, KMW - before you run these articles which were obviously written several days before publication you should check for updates - even the rest of the media has rejected the 'she was just a mother' narrative.
As far as Good’s death goes, Goody Goody.
>If you want us to be a nation where it's commonplace for masked militarized police to demand to "see your papers" you want to fuck this country up and make it less American far more than any immigrant coming here to work and try and put food in their child's belly and a roof over their head.
Even if you accept his framework . . .
1. Biden was already trying to make the country a 'paper's please' country. And no one I know - who are about 90% Mexican American - have been asked to present their papers.
2. Its just too bad. If Biden had taken care to vet the people he was flying all over the country then maybe the handful that are here to just take care of their families (which they don't have because they snuck in by themselves) wouldn't be collateral damage. But they're collateral damage.
3. And no matter how much you cover your ears, billions in fraud, thousands of murders and rapes, etc, are committed by illegal immigrants.
Shall we expel all the citizens who commit far more of those crimes?
How come so many immigrants are committing crimes but evading law enforcement? How are they evading law enforcement but not immigration enforcement? It makes no sense if you think about it.
If you are so dedicated to the premise of ethnically cleansing this country, why not just say so? I don’t understand believing things you’re embarrassed to believe. What are you afraid of? Not being invited to dinner with your non-racist friends?
“Shall we expel all the citizens who commit far more of those crimes?”
lol, this remains my favorite fucktarded retort.
Thanks Tony.
"...How come so many immigrants are committing crimes but evading law enforcement?..."
Lefty lying asswipes like you do your best to protect them.
Because losers like your friends, not you because we know you are in China, continue to hide them in sanctuary cities...
She was a victim of her Antifa style activism and narcissism that says she can do whatever she wants without consequences. Reason is bully on-board with the abdication of personal responsibility. Rest in piss commie scum.
Most posts on x get 0-4 responses. This one got over 100, lol.
https://x.com/reason/status/2011864985044205735
I actually joined X mostly to follow the posts of the writers here. Somehow they're even worse over there and their partisan bias is more blatantly unhinged. Reason should be ashamed of their level of engagement there. It's usually nothing or they get ratio'd.
Ms. Good may have been a victim of the (over?) zealous ICE policies to enforce the current immigration laws, but she was definitely not made a "target" by those policies. She became a target by her own actions, interfering with an active ICE operation, blocking the street, refusing to exit her vehicle, and then trying to escape and endangering ICE agents in the process.
Why don't ICE agents have tasers? That would help them take control of the violent disrupters and prevent them harming anyone.
I don't see it helping in this instance. If the agent at her window gives her some voltage then there's a higher chance her body tenses up and Ross is dead with Goode alive and relieved of significant responsibility.
I'm not saying it shouldn't be in their toolkit, but this probably wasn't the time for it.
Joe Lancaster seems to be blaming Trump for the woman because ICE is deporting illegal immigrants who have outstanding deportation orders. While the state of Minnesota and city of Minneapolis are now claiming to have always worked with the feds to hold illegal immigrants, the truth is that they have not cooperated and have even made numerous comments over the years that they are safe havens for illegal immigrants.
I doubt if Joe Lancaster live in the area to hear all the local news and coverage. He is probably basing his opinion on the echos from inside is liberal bubble on one of the coasts like most other journalists.
There is a very strong anti-government community which ironically is hardcore DFL supporters (Minnesota's Democrat party). The ironic element is that the DFL controls the entirety of Minneapolis government and every single state office holder outside of the legislative branch. If this anti-government community was not simply partisan hacks, they would be opposed to stranglehold that the DFL has on power. Still they blame the Republicans even though the Republicans effectively have no power.
These "non-violent" "legal observers" and not simply observing and while many barely contain themselves from violence, there are lots of examples where they do resort to violence.
Video is often taken out of context. Often we only see the clips that support the narrative and we don't see the actions that lead up to the overreaction. While I do support the right to protest, I don't support parking your car in the middle of the street to block traffic. Not even because their goal is to hamper ICE, but because they hamper myself and other citizens.
I don't like it when ANY protest blocks roads for ANY reason. I also don't trust government. Not the FEDs, not the state of Minnesota, not the city of Minneapolis, nor do I trust the protestors. They are all guilty of spinning their own narrative.
The protestors are playing with fire. They are begging for some sort of intervention. The Governor of Minnesota and Mayor of Minneapolis are complicit as they are effectively calling for a riot. I don't excuse Trump either, however the executive branch job is to execute the laws. Rounding up illegal immigrants who have outstanding deportation orders is executing the law. You may not like the reality, but that is what a deportation order means.
'Renee Good Was a Casualty of Her Imbecility'
Fixed for the TDS-addled steaming pile of lying shit Lancaster.
Didn't take long for the "Don't tread on me" crowd to transform into the "Comply or die" crowd.
I keep trying to like Reason, but I'm starting to believe that they're just click-bait.
Are you guys taking tips from Candace Owens?
Regarding self-defense, I’m not familiar with police procedures, but how can a police officer defend himself from a 4,000 pound moving SUV attack by shooting the driver? After she was shot, we all saw the car continue to move forward and only stop when it hit another car. Obviously the bullet(s) and killing the driver did not stop the car. It is reasonable that the officer feared for his life when the SUV is barreling towards him, but what is the proper police procedure? Does anyone know what is the police training when being rammed by a car? Is it to shoot the driver which may not stop the car or is it to get out of the way?
"...Is it to shoot the driver which may not stop the car or is it to get out of the way?..."
Both. A dead driver can't continue to aim at the LEO, as we saw here.