Boat Attack Commander Says He Had To Kill 2 Survivors Because They Were Still Trying To Smuggle Cocaine
Adm. Frank M. Murphy reportedly told lawmakers a controversial second strike was necessary because drugs on the burning vessel remained a threat.
If we call a cocaine smuggler an "unlawful combatant" in an "armed struggle" against the United States, the Trump administration says, it is OK to kill him, even if he is unarmed and poses no immediate threat. And according to Adm. Frank M. Bradley, who commanded the newly controversial September 2 operation that inaugurated President Donald Trump's deadly anti-drug campaign in the Caribbean and the eastern Pacific, it is still OK to kill that cocaine smuggler if he ends up in the water after a missile strike on his boat, clinging to the smoking wreckage, provided you determine that he is still "in the fight."
Bradley, who answered lawmakers' questions about that attack during closed-door briefings on Thursday that also included Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Dan Caine, knew that the initial missile strike, which killed nine people, left two survivors. But because the survivors had radioed for help from their fellow drug traffickers, The New York Times reports, Bradley ordered a second missile strike, which blew apart both men. That second strike was deemed necessary, according to unnamed "U.S. officials" interviewed by the Times, to prevent recovery of any cocaine that might have remained after the first strike.
On its face, the second strike was a war crime. "I can't imagine anyone, no matter what the circumstance, believing it is appropriate to kill people who are clinging to a boat in the water," former Air Force lawyer Michael Schmitt, a professor emeritus at the U.S. Naval War College, told the Associated Press. "That is clearly unlawful….You can only use lethal force in circumstances where there is an imminent threat."
According to the Defense Department's law-of-war manual, "orders to fire upon the shipwrecked would be clearly illegal." But according to the Times, Bradley argues that the men in the water were not truly "shipwrecked."
The manual says individuals are deemed "shipwrecked" when they are "in distress at sea," "helpless," and "in need of care and assistance," provided they "refrain from any hostile act." Bradley apparently maintains that the men whose deaths he ordered did not meet that last criterion because they were still trying to smuggle cocaine, as evidenced by the radio call.
That defense illustrates the challenges of applying the law of war to an "armed conflict" that does not actually exist. Trump conflates drug smuggling with violent aggression, saying it amounts to "an armed attack against the United States" that justifies a lethal military response. But saying that does not make it so.
The reality is that Americans want cocaine, which criminal organizations are happy to supply. The government does not approve of that trade, which it has long sought to suppress via interdiction and arrests. Because that approach, which Trump accurately describes as "totally ineffective," strikes him as too namby-pamby, he has unilaterally decided to simply kill suspected drug smugglers, a strategy he thinks will finally achieve the impossible goal of preventing Americans from consuming politically disfavored intoxicants.
Trump is wrong about that. But even if he were right, the goal of disrupting and deterring drug smuggling would not justify a policy of summarily executing criminal suspects without statutory authorization or any semblance of due process. That is why Trump is trying to justify his bloodthirsty anti-drug strategy by calling his targets "combatants" in a "non-international armed conflict"—a term he has stretched beyond recognition.
Congress has not recognized that purported "armed conflict," and it is a counterintuitive label for the unilateral violence exemplified by the September 2 attack. The boat that Bradley destroyed, which reportedly "turned around before the attack started because the people onboard had apparently spotted a military aircraft stalking it," was not engaged in any sort of attack on American targets and offered no resistance. The same was true of the vessels destroyed in subsequent attacks on suspected drug boats, which so far have killed another 72 people.
The violence in such attacks is so one-sided that the government's lawyers claim blowing up drug boats does not constitute "hostilities" under the War Powers Resolution because U.S. personnel face no plausible risk of casualties. So we are talking about an "armed conflict" that does not involve "hostilities" yet somehow does involve enemy "combatants."
Unless you accept that baffling premise, the attempt to justify Bradley's second strike under the law of war is incomprehensible. "Two U.S. officials have said the military intercepted radio communications from the survivors to suspected cartel members, raising the possibility that any drugs on the boat that had not burned up in the first blast could have been retrieved," The New York Times reports. "The military, they said, interpreted the purported distress call as meaning the survivors were still 'in the fight' and so were not shipwrecked."
In reality, of course, those men were not "in the fight" to begin with, because there was no "fight." A unilateral act of aggression by U.S. forces hardly amounts to a battle, and it is hard to see how a radio call for help qualifies as the sort of "hostile act" that the Defense Department's manual says excludes someone from "shipwrecked" status. To illustrate that exception, the manual notes that "shipwrecked persons do not include combatant personnel engaged in amphibious, underwater, or airborne attacks who are proceeding ashore."
According to Bradley, The Wall Street Journal reports, "he and his legal adviser concluded the two survivors were attempting to continue their drug run, making them and the already-damaged vessel legitimate targets for another attack." In deciding to order the second strike, two unnamed Pentagon officials told the Journal, Bradley "considered that other 'enemy' vessels were nearby and that the survivors were believed to be communicating via radio with others in the drug-smuggling network."
Rep. Jim Himes (D–Conn.), the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, was not impressed by Bradley's defense. "What I saw in that room was one of the most troubling things I've seen in my time in public service," he told reporters after Bradley's briefing, which included video of the first and second strikes. "You have two individuals in clear distress without any means of locomotion, with a destroyed vessel, [who] were killed by the United States….Any American who sees the video that I saw will see the United States military attacking shipwrecked sailors."
The congressional investigation was prompted by The Washington Post's recent report that Bradley ordered the second strike based on his understanding that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth wanted him to "kill everybody" on the boat. Hegseth has denied giving any such instruction, which arguably would have violated the law-of-war rule against "declar[ing] that no quarter will be given" or "conduct[ing] hostilities on the basis that there shall be no survivors." Lawmakers said Bradley likewise told them Hegseth did not say anything that would run afoul of that injunction.
Hegseth says he did not initially know that the first strike left survivors and learned about the second strike after the fact. But he also says Bradley "made the correct decision to ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat."
Trump, who on Sunday said he "wouldn't have wanted" a "second strike," has changed his tune. "I support the decision to knock out the boats and whoever is piloting those boats" because "they are guilty of trying to kill people in our country," he told reporters on Wednesday. "You're going to find that this is war."
If so, it is an undeclared war against "combatants" who are not engaged in combat, whose "attack against the United States" entails supplying Americans with drugs the government says they should not be using. Instead of trying to parse the legality of this particular attack, Congress should be asking whether Trump's reality-defying assertion of an "armed conflict" is enough to transform murder into self-defense.
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So no more "kill them all" stories?
That was a pretty short-lived attack vector, almost as short-lived as a drug boat in open water...
HEYOOOOO!
They can't pick a lane because the actual vector is irrelevant.
Hedonism was threatened, that's all that matters.
Hegseth picked his lane a long time ago.
Were Reagan, Paul Nitze & Tom Clancy on deck, they'd have his guts for garters, as they well knew that the legal watershed for cases such as this came in 1945, when three U-Boat officers were tried , convicted & executed by a British Admiralty court, not for torpedoing and sinking an Greek unarmed freighter, but for for throwing hand grenades into the lifeboats of the survivors
https://x.com/RussellSeitz/status/1995929388534448458
Still dont understand what a British court is I see.
“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.” -DJT
If he could commit murder in the US and not lose any support, what makes you think his defenders won't defend him murdering people on the high seas? Besides, Democrats did it first and you didn't complain so that makes whatever Trump does ok.
Thanks rachel!
Sorry you fell for another leftist lie.
How weak is the US that we are threatened by a sinking boat many hundreds of miles away?
Smuggling drugs is not an act of war. The US is committing murder.
How weak is the US that we are threatened by a sinking boat many hundreds of miles away?
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Is this the narrative in china?
Fuck off commie scum.
Sorry, Pete and Donnie, smearing mustard on a hot pretzel doesn't make it a hot dog. So, too, using pretzel logic in attempts to justify premeditated murder does not make it justifiable self-defense. Your accommodations in the Milošević Marriott at The Hague are ready and waiting for you.
The US doesn't recognize the ICC.
And if they try this, we will withdraw the nuclear umbrella.
Facts nor reality matter to the left.
Nor, evidently, do French or British nukes matter to Magatarians. The Balkan perps were rounded up and devivered into the hands of justice by a NATO operation.
Where are British courts located?
Even if they did, Sullum is dishonestly trying to cut the baby in half and be a grandparent to its unborn children too.
If they can't be killed for any reason, it doesn't matter how many missiles or other projectiles it takes, the number is zero. If they can be killed, then there is not limit to the number of bullets or missiles that can be fired. The idea that it's extra illegal because they fired a second, fatal, shot is abject fiction.
Whether they can be killed or not is a bit immaterial to 'unlawful combatant' label. As Spiritus Mundi indicates, there are all manner of unarmed mechanics and radio communications officers that it's completely acceptable to wipe off the face of any given battlefield.
Both of the above assume the US and the ICC see eye-to-eye on the *all* of the Rules of Engagement when, for almost half a century, this has overtly and decidedly not been the case.
You entered http://www.reddit.com wrong.
How dare Nimitiz continue to bomb the Kaga after the first bomb hit!? The first strike put so many sailors aboard in distress. Did he not know the other bombs might harm them!? Most of them were unarmed mechanics!! WaR cRiMe!!!!!
If we call a cocaine smuggler an "unlawful combatant" in an "armed struggle" against the United States, the Trump administration says, it is OK to kill him, even if he is unarmed and poses no immediate threat.
This is a fairly conspicuous TDS-addled, "wet roads cause rain", "vibe" assessment. Arguably to the point of making even the people who agree with you or support your cause more stupid.
*If* the Trump Administration calls a cocaine smuggler an "unlawful combatant" in an "armed struggle" against the United States, the rules of engagement say they can be killed whether they pose an immediate threat or not. It's totally acceptable to shoot otherwise unarmed people burying IEDs in the field. You don't have to wait for a vehicle to come along or continually chase them out every night. The 3rd and 4th Geneva Convention (signed by whom?) are pretty clear that the intent is to protect unarmed civilians, peace, and aid workers, not supply line soldiers and intelligence 'specialists' who happen not to have a gun in their hands at any given moment.
There may be a case to be had that the Trump Administration shouldn't be able to declare them unlawful combatants and/or that the rules of engagement do/don't allow for the engagement of unarmed or non-threatening targets, but the two are distinct and unrelated, with the last being more or less resolved more than a decade before Trump took office the first time and, even then, dealt more with holding and trying them off of the field of battle rather than killing them on it.
Once again and as usual, if a Democratic President and an intransigent Congress that so opposed bitter clingers and BusHitler that it was determined to close Gitmo on day one had even remotely believed in what you reluctantly and strategically supported it to believe, things would likely be completely different now. Too bad your reluctant strategy of strategic reluctance isn't worth a damn.
Calling a boat with three outboards and no guns a warship doesn't make it one.
As Hegseth told the Silicon Valley Liberty Forum in 2016:
“I do think there have to be consequences
For abject war crimes.
If you’re doing something that’s just completely
unlawful and ruthless, then there’s a consequence
for that. That’s why the military said it won’t follow
unlawful orders from their commander in chief.
There’s a standard, there’s an ethos. There’s a belief
that we are above what so many things that
our enemies or others would do."
From here it seems that the Admiral has admitted enough of the facts to warrant a court martial to determine the legality of his actions.
Remember when Democrats were accused of treason for suggesting that soldiers follow the law? You're basically doing the same thing. Trump and his administration are above the law and the Constitution. You're an insurrectionist if you say otherwise.
What law was broken?
Do you even realize a JAG officer was there in the room during the 2nd strike?
So pathetically wrong.
JS;dr