Boat Attack Commander Says He Had To Kill 2 Survivors Because They Were Still Trying To Smuggle Cocaine
Adm. Frank M. Murphy reportedly told lawmakers a controversial second strike was necessary because drugs on the burning vessel remained a threat.
If we call a cocaine smuggler an "unlawful combatant" in an "armed struggle" against the United States, the Trump administration says, it is OK to kill him, even if he is unarmed and poses no immediate threat. And according to Adm. Frank M. Bradley, who commanded the newly controversial September 2 operation that inaugurated President Donald Trump's deadly anti-drug campaign in the Caribbean and the eastern Pacific, it is still OK to kill that cocaine smuggler if he ends up in the water after a missile strike on his boat, clinging to the smoking wreckage, provided you determine that he is still "in the fight."
Bradley, who answered lawmakers' questions about that attack during closed-door briefings on Thursday that also included Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Dan Caine, knew that the initial missile strike, which killed nine people, left two survivors. But because the survivors had radioed for help from their fellow drug traffickers, The New York Times reports, Bradley ordered a second missile strike, which blew apart both men. That second strike was deemed necessary, according to unnamed "U.S. officials" interviewed by the Times, to prevent recovery of any cocaine that might have remained after the first strike.
On its face, the second strike was a war crime. "I can't imagine anyone, no matter what the circumstance, believing it is appropriate to kill people who are clinging to a boat in the water," former Air Force lawyer Michael Schmitt, a professor emeritus at the U.S. Naval War College, told the Associated Press. "That is clearly unlawful….You can only use lethal force in circumstances where there is an imminent threat."
According to the Defense Department's law-of-war manual, "orders to fire upon the shipwrecked would be clearly illegal." But according to the Times, Bradley argues that the men in the water were not truly "shipwrecked."
The manual says individuals are deemed "shipwrecked" when they are "in distress at sea," "helpless," and "in need of care and assistance," provided they "refrain from any hostile act." Bradley apparently maintains that the men whose deaths he ordered did not meet that last criterion because they were still trying to smuggle cocaine, as evidenced by the radio call.
That defense illustrates the challenges of applying the law of war to an "armed conflict" that does not actually exist. Trump conflates drug smuggling with violent aggression, saying it amounts to "an armed attack against the United States" that justifies a lethal military response. But saying that does not make it so.
The reality is that Americans want cocaine, which criminal organizations are happy to supply. The government does not approve of that trade, which it has long sought to suppress via interdiction and arrests. Because that approach, which Trump accurately describes as "totally ineffective," strikes him as too namby-pamby, he has unilaterally decided to simply kill suspected drug smugglers, a strategy he thinks will finally achieve the impossible goal of preventing Americans from consuming politically disfavored intoxicants.
Trump is wrong about that. But even if he were right, the goal of disrupting and deterring drug smuggling would not justify a policy of summarily executing criminal suspects without statutory authorization or any semblance of due process. That is why Trump is trying to justify his bloodthirsty anti-drug strategy by calling his targets "combatants" in a "non-international armed conflict"—a term he has stretched beyond recognition.
Congress has not recognized that purported "armed conflict," and it is a counterintuitive label for the unilateral violence exemplified by the September 2 attack. The boat that Bradley destroyed, which reportedly "turned around before the attack started because the people onboard had apparently spotted a military aircraft stalking it," was not engaged in any sort of attack on American targets and offered no resistance. The same was true of the vessels destroyed in subsequent attacks on suspected drug boats, which so far have killed another 72 people.
The violence in such attacks is so one-sided that the government's lawyers claim blowing up drug boats does not constitute "hostilities" under the War Powers Resolution because U.S. personnel face no plausible risk of casualties. So we are talking about an "armed conflict" that does not involve "hostilities" yet somehow does involve enemy "combatants."
Unless you accept that baffling premise, the attempt to justify Bradley's second strike under the law of war is incomprehensible. "Two U.S. officials have said the military intercepted radio communications from the survivors to suspected cartel members, raising the possibility that any drugs on the boat that had not burned up in the first blast could have been retrieved," The New York Times reports. "The military, they said, interpreted the purported distress call as meaning the survivors were still 'in the fight' and so were not shipwrecked."
In reality, of course, those men were not "in the fight" to begin with, because there was no "fight." A unilateral act of aggression by U.S. forces hardly amounts to a battle, and it is hard to see how a radio call for help qualifies as the sort of "hostile act" that the Defense Department's manual says excludes someone from "shipwrecked" status. To illustrate that exception, the manual notes that "shipwrecked persons do not include combatant personnel engaged in amphibious, underwater, or airborne attacks who are proceeding ashore."
According to Bradley, The Wall Street Journal reports, "he and his legal adviser concluded the two survivors were attempting to continue their drug run, making them and the already-damaged vessel legitimate targets for another attack." In deciding to order the second strike, two unnamed Pentagon officials told the Journal, Bradley "considered that other 'enemy' vessels were nearby and that the survivors were believed to be communicating via radio with others in the drug-smuggling network."
Rep. Jim Himes (D–Conn.), the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, was not impressed by Bradley's defense. "What I saw in that room was one of the most troubling things I've seen in my time in public service," he told reporters after Bradley's briefing, which included video of the first and second strikes. "You have two individuals in clear distress without any means of locomotion, with a destroyed vessel, [who] were killed by the United States….Any American who sees the video that I saw will see the United States military attacking shipwrecked sailors."
The congressional investigation was prompted by The Washington Post's recent report that Bradley ordered the second strike based on his understanding that Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth wanted him to "kill everybody" on the boat. Hegseth has denied giving any such instruction, which arguably would have violated the law-of-war rule against "declar[ing] that no quarter will be given" or "conduct[ing] hostilities on the basis that there shall be no survivors." Lawmakers said Bradley likewise told them Hegseth did not say anything that would run afoul of that injunction.
Hegseth says he did not initially know that the first strike left survivors and learned about the second strike after the fact. But he also says Bradley "made the correct decision to ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat."
Trump, who on Sunday said he "wouldn't have wanted" a "second strike," has changed his tune. "I support the decision to knock out the boats and whoever is piloting those boats" because "they are guilty of trying to kill people in our country," he told reporters on Wednesday. "You're going to find that this is war."
If so, it is an undeclared war against "combatants" who are not engaged in combat, whose "attack against the United States" entails supplying Americans with drugs the government says they should not be using. Instead of trying to parse the legality of this particular attack, Congress should be asking whether Trump's reality-defying assertion of an "armed conflict" is enough to transform murder into self-defense.
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So no more "kill them all" stories?
That was a pretty short-lived attack vector, almost as short-lived as a drug boat in open water...
HEYOOOOO!
They can't pick a lane because the actual vector is irrelevant.
Hedonism was threatened, that's all that matters.
Hegseth picked his lane a long time ago.
Were Reagan, Paul Nitze & Tom Clancy on deck, they'd have his guts for garters, as they well knew that the legal watershed for cases such as this came in 1945, when three U-Boat officers were tried , convicted & executed by a British Admiralty court, not for torpedoing and sinking an Greek unarmed freighter, but for for throwing hand grenades into the lifeboats of the survivors
https://x.com/RussellSeitz/status/1995929388534448458
Still dont understand what a British court is I see.
And when Obama drones a wedding that's ok?
If Trump does it, is that ok? Whataboutism is always the worst form of argument; reserved for those of below average intellect.
And like all MAGA, your binaries are showing - ever once occur to you that "neither" should do it?
And like all low IQ brainwashed far left Democrat cultists you claim it is all bad now....of course you praised and defended the Failed Obozo for droning a wedding and American citizens when those things happened.
Bush did that at least 3 times, dumbass!
Not dead at all. It's mentioned in the story.
These procession of these ‘boat strike’ articles is like a procession of retarded clowns emerging from a car.
The procession of assholes defending murder is getting really old.
I know! So many democrats celebrating the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
That’s what you meant, right?
Yeah, Jake's headline was not even close to the truth. What a crock of shit this guy is.
He’s a propagandist, nothing more.
It's one outrage to the next. Ballroomgate, Signalgate, Maryland Man, ICE, Epstein Files, and now this one which like the others blew up in their faces with WaPo openly printing a flat out lie. They hate Hegseth because he is routing out the DEI shit and the Diversity Officers that pushed it from our military and is now going after the military/industrial complex procurement process.
Sorry, Jacob. Admiral Murphy is a far smarter and better man than you will ever be so forgive me when I tell you to go fuck yourself.
“I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.” -DJT
If he could commit murder in the US and not lose any support, what makes you think his defenders won't defend him murdering people on the high seas? Besides, Democrats did it first and you didn't complain so that makes whatever Trump does ok.
Thanks rachel!
Sorry you fell for another leftist lie.
You’re obsessed with her! It’s creepy!
You are the only one who brings her up.
We are going to need to have Nuremberg trials to deal with you MAGA criminals when this is done.
You first, assassins.
This was boring yesterday kar. Do better.
His comments are helpful when I’m trying to doze off. So he’s useful for that. Might make good mulch too.
Stop stealing my lines. You're more obsessed than the line of perfume.
I don’t know where you got the idea that I’m trying to make you laugh or entertain you. I honestly don’t care what a country bumpkin like you thinks of me.
I’m simply pointing out you’re a treasonous, white trash, bigoted deplorable.
Even your explanations of why youre boring are boring. God damn.
Even one of the bricks from one of the boats wouldn't have enough cocaine to keep people from falling asleep after reading your dull, repetitive, boring dross.
No offense, but you’re a stupid, white trash hick.
I imagine you get bored pretty often seeing as you’re too stupid to understand anything that’s intelligent.
There is no metric by which your life is better than mine, basic boring bitch.
He can’t.
No, you Marxist faggots are obsessed with her, we’re just laughing at you for it.
We always laugh at you KKK.
I don’t watch cable news, so I have no idea what the fuck she says. Im simply pointing out Jesse constantly brings her up. It’s creepy.
You’re only making yourself look more stupid by calling me “KKK.” Trump changed military base names back to confederate traitors after they were rightfully renamed. He praises Robert E Lee. You’re the white trash hick who pals around with white nationalists.
All these things you accuse me of are actually done by your side. You need to accept responsibility for it and admit you’re inferior to patriots like me.
Weird you rushed to defend me saying someone else watches her. Only maddow fans get upset at that.
“Weird you rushed to defend me saying someone else watches her.“
I don’t know what you are trying to say here. I can’t understand gibberish. Where did I defend you? I simply pointed out you’re the only person who brings her up.
Jesus fucking Christ you’re stupid.
Most of Jizzie's post contain so little information they're not even wrong.
For a mindless MAGA shill, I'm mildly impressed with your English. Grammar, punctuation, spelling - all pretty solid. Even knew to use "we're" properly - you may be literally the only MAGA moron here who could, so props.
Too bad you're otherwise a simplistic ultra-conformist whose brain is 90% asbestos. Didn't have to be this way.
Yet you low IQ brainwashed far left Democrat cultists keep quoting her word for word....
How weak is the US that we are threatened by a sinking boat many hundreds of miles away?
Smuggling drugs is not an act of war. The US is committing murder.
How weak is the US that we are threatened by a sinking boat many hundreds of miles away?
7.
Generous ratings. I give it a 2.
Is this the narrative in china?
Fuck off commie scum.
Is commie scum worse than scum scum?
Yes. Marists have no right to exist.
Better get crackin, Shitstain. Fuck the NAP, #Murdertarians
And yet here you are.
Ok, fucktard.
So now that even you can’t push your bullshit ‘they were just fishermen’ narrative, this is your fallback? Not going to work. And part of the reason this is all happening g is because your mandarin masters are using Venezuela as a client state.
So really, their blood is on your hands. Will you now repent?
I don't give a flying fuck if those boats were made of drugs. Opening fire without provocation is illegal, full stop.
How weak is China that they won't allow pot into their country?
Incredibly weak. Funny how you love to scream "Chiner!Chiner!Chiner!!" every day, but then applaud the Us trying to be China.
Sorry, Pete and Donnie, smearing mustard on a hot pretzel doesn't make it a hot dog. So, too, using pretzel logic in attempts to justify premeditated murder does not make it justifiable self-defense. Your accommodations in the Milošević Marriott at The Hague are ready and waiting for you.
The US doesn't recognize the ICC.
And if they try this, we will withdraw the nuclear umbrella.
Facts nor reality matter to the left.
Nor, evidently, do French or British nukes matter to Magatarians. The Balkan perps were rounded up and devivered into the hands of justice by a NATO operation.
Where are British courts located?
In 1945 British jurisdiction extended to its Zones of Occupation in Germany, most famously its sector of Berlin, but including Hamburg where Eck et al. were tried in October.
I asked where British courts are located. Are they located in the United states? It is an easy question.
He’s confused.
Even if they did, Sullum is dishonestly trying to cut the baby in half and be a grandparent to its unborn children too.
If they can't be killed for any reason, it doesn't matter how many missiles or other projectiles it takes, the number is zero. If they can be killed, then there is not limit to the number of bullets or missiles that can be fired. The idea that it's extra illegal because they fired a second, fatal, shot is abject fiction.
Whether they can be killed or not is a bit immaterial to 'unlawful combatant' label. As Spiritus Mundi indicates, there are all manner of unarmed mechanics and radio communications officers that it's completely acceptable to wipe off the face of any given battlefield.
Both of the above assume the US and the ICC see eye-to-eye on the *all* of the Rules of Engagement when, for almost half a century, this has overtly and decidedly not been the case.
"Abject fiction?" Killing rather than rescuing shipwreck victims in the water, EVEN IF THEY HAD BEEN "COMBATANTS," which these two were not, is a war crime SPECIFICALLY INSTANCED in the U.S. military official rules of engagement. The fiction is entirely yours.
No matter how many times you scream while being wrong, you will continue to be wrong.
And, again, they're trying to divide the baby and preserve it for their grandkids too.
If you take a full-throated definition of hors de combat. Virtually every guided missile or bomb from every drone or bomber against ground targets ever is a violation (or every missile or bomb beyond the first depending on how retarded you want to be). Guys walking around with small arms are no threat to an aircraft 25,000 ft. in the air.
And this doesn't get into the issue of whether or not they can feasibly be rescued, if leaving them to the sharks or starvation, or waiting for their reinforcements to arrive and engaging them is a/the greater crime.
Ultimately, they want either Ukrainians, Hamas, or both to be able to attack Russians, Israelis, or both with impunity (and vice versa), but they want double-taps on armed drug smugglers in international waters from 20,000 ft. to be illegal.
Again, Ukraine blew up NS1 and 2. Zelensky knew. Biden knew. They blamed Russia and funneled money to defend a country that committed a no-shit act of war, legal or not, against NATO. At this point, none of this is really dubious or secret.
As usual, these people don't care about who lives or dies or the actual rules. It's about exercising their own power to interpret the rules their way... from their couch in their Mom's basement.
Actually the initial evidence pointed to Putin because NS2 was always operable and the crisis premium for natural gas paid more than what it cost to fix the damages. So when NS was sabotaged Putin actually came very close to winning the war because had the hurricane near Cuba veered towards Louisiana then the price of natural gas would have skyrocketed and Germany would have been forced to import natural gas over NS2 delivering windfall profits to Gazprom.
Nope, now fuck off, m’kay bitch?
The comments here just get better and better!! I guess it beats talking with your wife…or in your case getting nagged by mommy to pick up your cum rag and throw it in the wash. 😉
You entered http://www.reddit.com wrong.
I doubt that happens for the simple fact they’d have to go after a butt load of other powerful people.
How dare Nimitiz continue to bomb the Kaga after the first bomb hit!? The first strike put so many sailors aboard in distress. Did he not know the other bombs might harm them!? Most of them were unarmed mechanics!! WaR cRiMe!!!!!
That one was ok, as there was no ‘but Trump’ exception involved.
If we call a cocaine smuggler an "unlawful combatant" in an "armed struggle" against the United States, the Trump administration says, it is OK to kill him, even if he is unarmed and poses no immediate threat.
This is a fairly conspicuous TDS-addled, "wet roads cause rain", "vibe" assessment. Arguably to the point of making even the people who agree with you or support your cause more stupid.
*If* the Trump Administration calls a cocaine smuggler an "unlawful combatant" in an "armed struggle" against the United States, the rules of engagement say they can be killed whether they pose an immediate threat or not. It's totally acceptable to shoot otherwise unarmed people burying IEDs in the field. You don't have to wait for a vehicle to come along or continually chase them out every night. The 3rd and 4th Geneva Convention (signed by whom?) are pretty clear that the intent is to protect unarmed civilians, peace, and aid workers, not supply line soldiers and intelligence 'specialists' who happen not to have a gun in their hands at any given moment.
There may be a case to be had that the Trump Administration shouldn't be able to declare them unlawful combatants and/or that the rules of engagement do/don't allow for the engagement of unarmed or non-threatening targets, but the two are distinct and unrelated, with the last being more or less resolved more than a decade before Trump took office the first time and, even then, dealt more with holding and trying them off of the field of battle rather than killing them on it.
Once again and as usual, if a Democratic President and an intransigent Congress that so opposed bitter clingers and BusHitler that it was determined to close Gitmo on day one had even remotely believed in what you reluctantly and strategically supported it to believe, things would likely be completely different now. Too bad your reluctant strategy of strategic reluctance isn't worth a damn.
Calling a boat with three outboards and no guns a warship doesn't make it one.
As Hegseth told the Silicon Valley Liberty Forum in 2016:
“I do think there have to be consequences
For abject war crimes.
If you’re doing something that’s just completely
unlawful and ruthless, then there’s a consequence
for that. That’s why the military said it won’t follow
unlawful orders from their commander in chief.
There’s a standard, there’s an ethos. There’s a belief
that we are above what so many things that
our enemies or others would do."
Unarmed merchant ships are sunk all the time in war. U.S. Merchant Marines suffered the highest rate of casualties of any service in World War II. 1,554 ships were sunk.
There's one glaring difference between what you describe and what you are defending. What you describe is the sinking ships full of goods that are destined for an enemy nation. What you are defending is the sinking of boats filled with goods destined for America. If anything the murder of these drug traffickers has more in common with tariffs and trade wars, wars against American consumers that you support, than conflict with foreign nations that want to do us harm.
Not even close to the precedent in question.
SS Peleus was fair game for torpedoes carrying cargo to neutral Argentina, but the excuse offered the tribunal by U-boat captain adduced for throwing grenades at Peleus's life rafts, and machine gunning survivors in the water was ( you can't make these things up) , that he was afraid they would swim over, scramble up the hull and overwhelm his deck crew bare handed.
Kindly read the 1997 US Naval Institute article before prevaricating further.
Kindly fuck off.
Over 1500 ships sunk are not undone by one cherry pick. You are really bad at this.
Tell that to the Ukrainians. They've done a good job sinking the Russian navy with them.
And blowing up pipelines.
Nevermind our spy planes...they are unarmed.
This is exactly right. It's simply not true that you can't kill someone who isn't an imminent threat. You can kill an enemy combatant who is sound asleep or who is retreating. You can kill pretty much any enemy combatant unless they've surrendered.
Now, whether these people are actually enemy combatants is highly doubtful, but there's nothing remarkable about a second strike if they are.
The law declaring them an FTO has been followed. Congress has a period to essentially veto the declaration. At any time they could also veto the declaration. They have not.
Even if they're not unlawful combatants in a military sense, given their activities how are they not pirates in international waters? Not gonna cry over purveyers of poison getting what they deserve before they kill more people.
This is a valid point what if instead of drugs that take time to kill they were transporting a chemical that would kill hundreds of thousands in a day. No one would have a problem with them being terminated. I think a few movies were made of this scenario. and looking at the number killed in a year with drugs we are already over 100,000 When does one say its time to stop them. We went to war over some 3000 killed in Pearl harbor and even fewer killed on 9/11 there comes a time when things need to be stopped
From here it seems that the Admiral has admitted enough of the facts to warrant a court martial to determine the legality of his actions.
Remember when Democrats were accused of treason for suggesting that soldiers follow the law? You're basically doing the same thing. Trump and his administration are above the law and the Constitution. You're an insurrectionist if you say otherwise.
What law was broken?
Do you even realize a JAG officer was there in the room during the 2nd strike?
More like Jag off?? 😉
What part of Nuremberg don't you understand?
Even this guy seems to get it:
https://x.com/RussellSeitz/status/1996692472924369292
America's court system and the Uniform Code of Military Justice are based on British jurisprudence,
You keep bringing up British courts like a retard. No, your link doesnt get it.
Why do you all keep making the same legal mistakes if you get it? Why do you keep citing Nuremberg and laws regarding war amongst nation states? Why do you keep ignoring JAG was in the room. Youre a bunch of reddit retards.
Take them at face value. Venezuela has declared war against the US as has every other nation with ties to their drug operations, act accordingly. Protectorate Mexico here we come.
So pathetically wrong.
They’re just desperate to get Trump. And getting more desperate every day.
It’s long past time to get rid of these people.
It’s long past time to get rid of these people.
So very Trumpian... plus whattya gonna do when "these people" are ridden?
You blaring into these comments to insult the "commies" and get your daily dose of validation (dick planted firmly in hand) is your raison d'etre. Hell you're addicted to it.
Aaawwww…… poor widdle left baby gets smacked down too hard and is now playing the victim card. And when we cleanse America of the Marxists, things will get a lot better. Noe more ‘Squad’, no more ‘Seditious Six’, no more antifa. Amd the illegals will all be gone.
Hell, we won’t have a CAIR in the world.
Looks like it to me. I'm just happy to se that he (either intentionally or inadvertantly) admitted that it was cocaine, rather than fentanyl, which is not made in Venezuela at all. The final truth would be that this cocaine is headed to Europe, robbing the Trump administration of the last shred of an excuse to be doing this. Venezuela has 17% of the world's oil reserves, and how he wants to invade it. How convenient.
So none of you leftist retards realize ABC admitted a JAG officer was in the room and agreed the strike was legal.
This retardation is amazing to watch.
And still pushing the venezuela doesn't make fentanyl nonsense. It doesnt matter if they make it there or not. They dont only smuggle domestic production. China works closely with Venezuela.
Some of you likely cant tie your own shoes.
They keep pushing debunked narratives. Which proves their arguments are always shit.
it does not matter what drug is being smuggled anymore since so much of it becomes infused with fentanyl and yes cocaine also kills just slower. it is time not just cut the bad branches but to remove the entire tree
JS;dr
Not to get all Godwin - but we have become worse than our own enemy. From the Nuremberg trial of Adm Doenitz where he was charged with participating in (ordering) war crimes related to the Nazi objective of commerce warfare.
It was Hitler himself - not Doenitz - in Oct 42 after three years of war - who ordered the execution of survivors. Nimitz - in his affidavit on behalf of Doenitz - said that the US policy was a)unrestricted attacks against commerce/merchantmen inside a declared 'war zone' and b)take no risks to rescue survivors.
There is only one instance recorded in that trial where Hitler's order was knowingly carried out (July 1943 - with executions of survivors taken prisoner - six Norwegians and one Brit). Donitz declaimed all knowledge of that - and Falkenhorst was sentenced to 20 years for war crimes for that.
Jew free goes straight to nazi claims. Kind of amusing.
Wow. Trump defenders have gone from "Democrats did it first so it's ok" to "Hitler did it first so it's ok".
Wow. This is retarded even for you.
LOLWUT?
The LtCol who carried out that execution was himself executed in Jan 1946 after being found guilty in a war crimes trial. Of the other eight defendants - two were acquitted, six were found guilty and imprisoned.
So you advocate the killing of unarmed soldiers?
A JAG off approved torture under Bush/Cheney.
Heil……..… Doenitz?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYz1ADttI1g
President Trump is ignorant and incompetent. He surrounds himself with loyal lackies that are just as stupid. Anyone with even a minor knowledge of history knows that trying to stop contraband at the supply side is useless. To be effective you have to work on the demand side and in this case that means drug and alcohol treatment. As long as the demand exists someone will provide the contraband at a profit. Attacking the supply side only makes the profit greater.
So what would be the Libertarian solution?
President Trump is ignorant and incompetent.
He is a billionaire who got elected twice to the office of president.
What are your accomplishments that you can make this claim?
Trump is very good at lying with a straight face. Billionaire? Yea he got a lot of money to start with from his dad and has pulled himself out of a bunch of bankruptcies. He has a lot of successful scams now. You have to admit his Fox News cabinet is mostly a clown car.
Trump is probably as bright as Biden was before the dementia set in. His own dementia is coming on a bit slower but it's pretty noticeable now. You don't have to be too bright to be a politician, you just have to be good at politicking.
What kinds of people work for you?
His Lego figurines.
I doubt he can afford lego. He probably has to buy the cheap knockoffs instead.
Watching left continue to double down on the same retarded yalking points going on a decade is amazing.
That didn't answer the question.
Lester enters the fray spouting discredited leftist lies. Got it.
Trump is worth around $7 billion. And for every failure he has a dozen successes. Not like you, pinko loser.
Trump is also far more honest than any modern democrat president, so you can fuck off with that too.
What do you mean "twice"??
It means two times.
‘Dude’ gets dumber by the day.
Funny, you never said anything about this with Biden.
China has it's hands in everyone's knickers. Hence, the objections from all Dems and most establishment Republicans. It's not just about Venezuela; it's about a new Monroe Doctrine with a clear message to China and it's drug/cartel/influence axis: Stay the F out of our hemisphere!
Sullum, when you start calling for the arrest of Obama and the rest of the people involved in drone-murdering weddings and 'double-tapping' then I'll start taking you seriously on Trump.
Bush took out at least 3 weddings…but I bet now you would support arresting Bush? Of course then Trump would have to arrest himself for assassinating a little American girl and 9 of her little friends with his first military order as president.
We always did, you retarded monkey.
Too bad the Bushpigs are all on the Neocon Democrats side now.
I’ll take him even more seriously if he starts calling for rounding up all prominent Marxists among the democrat party and their cronies.
JS;dr
How many articles do we need on this Reason? Do you have a quota or something? There are other things to write about like, I don't know, mass fraud by an immigrant community in Minnesota.
With each article you get slightly closer to the actual truth. In 5 years they will reflect on how they fell for yet another false leftist narrative.
But of course they won't have "fallen" for a narrative but followed "conventional wisdom of the time" much like the overtly racist wet market theory of COVID.
strategically and reluctantly followed conventional wisdom of the time
Exactly! Guess the mass fraud in Minnesota doesn't get much coverage here because the fine authors of Reason articles can't besmirch Trump in them.
Give them another day and all the fraud by the far left Democrat cultists in MN will be Trumps fault.
Omar is already claiming the fraud was due to a poor roll out by the governments. so fraud is not the problem
There are reasons why this boat killing activity is NOT enraging most Americans (outside of libs, some libertarians, main stream liberal media, and I presume drug users):
They ARE drug boats - the fact that they're always travelling at night from Venezuela or from near, through the Gulf of America toward the US is kind of a fucking tipoff, don't you think?
No matter what you think of drugs, they are aiding profit to criminal organizations and Maduro, both of which can rot in hell.
Decades of indignant behavior over Venezuela's government hasn't moved the needle - maybe this will help.
Reason - maybe you can spend a little more time focused on the fraud and abuse being uncovered in the US in Dem controlled sectors and put the TDS aside a bit, yes?
You need to understand Reason is pro-criminal of every stripe.
even if he is unarmed and poses no immediate threat.
Pay no attention to the cocaine.
There's a million videos of US soldiers shooting wounded fighters. I just saw one from Fallujah, threw a grenade in the room and wounded the insurgent then leaned in the window and shot him. Same thing.
IceTrey, members of the U.S. Armed Forces fighting for their lives on the streets of Fallujah is not even close to analogous to someone sitting in an airconditioned office watching a video of a small, disabled boat bobbing in the ocean far from any potential U.S. target and ordering a second missile strike on that boat.
*yawn*
You done with your limp wristed, phony anti American narrative yet?
Well that's unfortunate. Bradley's own story is pretty unequivocal. Just because the survivors were radioing for help doesn't mean they're still in the fight. By centuries of tradition as well as, apparently, the UCMJ, the only appropriate action was to attempt rescue of the survivors. They are still prisoners once rescued, but they must be rescued, not attacked while still in the water.
The remaining question is whether Hegseth told or implied to Bradley that he was to take such an action, and that one is still rumor until some evidence emerges. Certainly in context of this whole affair nobody should be proceeding on the basis of "well we know he's that kind of guy."
Anyway, for those inclined to say "why do you care about drug traffickers?" ...I don't. But I do care about US sailors in the coming war with China. What are we going to say when China sinks a US warship, machine-guns the survivors in the water and then says "Hey that's what we do now, right?" That is always the reason for these rules, and always the thing that people forget about when they start cheering for the let-God-sort-them-out approach.
So the military has never taken out units radioing for reinforcements in history?
You'll never be a woman, tranny, because men are not women. Just like how crime is not "war", how groups of people are not "military units", and how calling SOS is not "calling for reinforcements". You now say these things solely because the government has asked you to. But you'll never be a woman, tranny, the same way that we're not in war and this isn't even about drugs.
Can you imagine trying to fight WW2 today with all these handwringing, pants shitting pussies dragging us down?
Trump is wrong ...
Other words to follow - J. Sullen
in any combat situation when a combatant keeps moving you keep shooting it. Heck even our police do that to civilians who don't stop
Go have a seat in the corner Sullum.
Lets have a quick review of the war crimes committed by the Light Bringer, his high holiness and the man who has heard nothing sweeter than the sound of his own voice, Barrack Husain Obama.
✅ Official (U.S. government) numbers
According to a report from the office of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (DNI), between January 20, 2009 and December 31, 2015 the U.S. conducted 473 strikes (mostly drones, but also some airstrikes in non-war-zone contexts).
The Washington Post
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CBS News
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According to that same report, those 473 strikes killed between 2,372 and 2,581 combatants (i.e. militants), and between 64 and 116 non-combatants (“civilians”).
thedispatch.com
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Los Angeles Times
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For 2016 (the final year of his presidency), the DNI reported an additional 53 strikes outside active hostilities, killing 431–441 combatants and 1 civilian.
Wikipedia
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Combined, the government-released data cover (2009–2016) a total of ~ 526 strikes outside active war zones, and ~ 2,800–3,000 combatant deaths, and ~ 65–117 civilian death
But you forgot the ‘But Trump!’ exception.
This totalitarian government started after the non-violent coup of 1787-90, when "The Articles of Confederation" was expanded to make the states subject to a republic, a centralized "supreme" authority. That was ratified by the states who thereby opened the door to allow their political sovereignty to be destroyed. And the sovereign citizens stood by letting it happen, weakening their just earned independence. The new centralized authority pounced with a high whiskey tax of 10%. It was rejected by all 13 countries (states). A decade later the failed tax was silently stopped. BUT, the tyranny remained, e.g., taxation without representation. That was allowed, over and over, by self-serving elected parasites who expanded their power for two centuries into the US Empire, thanks to "The Most Dangerous Superstition" (Larken Rose). If you vote, you are part of the problem, e.g., certifying servitude. Why? Fear of freedom?
Ever heard of ‘paragraphs’?