Less Indictable Than a Ham Sandwich
They say a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich. But failing to get indictments has been a hallmark of the second Trump administration.
In August 2025, President Donald Trump took control of the police force in Washington, D.C., and deployed the National Guard throughout the city. To justify the incursion, he said the district was experiencing a "crime emergency"—a highly debatable characterization. Violent crime remains a problem in the district, but the homicide rate has been down over the past two years, and it remains considerably lower than it was in the 1990s.
As federal agents rounded up civilians en masse and Trump pledged to widen his occupation to more American cities, many feared this was a step toward an authoritarian takeover of the country. That remains a possibility, but skeptical grand juries have so far provided an important backstop for liberty by refusing to go along with the administration's most overzealous prosecutions.
The Fifth Amendment to the Constitution says, with only a handful of exceptions: "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury." In practice, though, grand juries rarely fail to indict. The entire process is nonadversarial, meaning prosecutors make their case to jurors without an opposing attorney making any counterarguments, and the burden of proof is much lower than it would be at trial. As the old saw has it, a prosecutor could get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich. But failing to get indictments has been a hallmark of the second Trump administration.
In July 2025, Sydney Reid recorded on her phone as D.C. police transferred two men into the custody of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). The Department of Justice (DOJ) claimed Reid tried to get between the officers and the detainees, and officers gave her "multiple commands to step back."
When she allegedly did not, one ICE officer "pushed her against the wall and told her to stop." Reid resisted, and when an FBI agent stepped in, her "hand was injured from striking and scraping the cement wall causing lacerations." (The charging document included a photo of the agent's hand, with two red marks.)
Authorities arrested Reid for "assaulting, resisting, or impeding" a federal officer, a felony punishable by up to eight years in prison. "Assault an officer or agent—get arrested. It's not rocket science," ICE posted on social media.
But when the U.S. attorney's office presented Reid's case, a grand jury declined to indict—not once, not twice, but a staggering three times. After failing to secure an indictment within 30 days as required by law, prosecutors instead charged Reid with a misdemeanor.
Failing to secure a federal indictment even once is extremely rare—in 2016, the DOJ prosecuted over 130,000 cases, and a grand jury failed to return an indictment in only six of them. Trying and failing three times in the same case is unprecedented.
In August, while protesting federal agents stationed in D.C., DOJ employee Sean Dunn threw a sandwich at a federal officer. After a brief chase, he was arrested, booked, and released. Dunn offered to surrender voluntarily for his arraignment, but instead, federal authorities sent 20 officers in riot gear to his apartment to rearrest him, for the same charge as Reid, and the White House posted footage of the operation online. After his arrest, U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi called Dunn "an example of the Deep State we have been up against" and said he had been fired.
But when presented with the case, a grand jury once again declined to indict. Within three weeks of Trump taking over D.C.'s police, grand juries in the city declined to return indictments at least seven times.
Federal prosecutors are failing outside D.C. as well. In Los Angeles, acting U.S. Attorney Bill Essayli charged 38 people with felonies over alleged misconduct at protests and immigration raids in June. But grand juries only returned indictments in seven of those cases. (Three other cases concluded with plea deals.) Of the remaining cases, prosecutors dismissed five and refiled nine others as misdemeanors. According to the Los Angeles Times, legal experts said Essayli's record "raised concerns about the strength of the cases he is filing."
That's certainly a possibility. Defendants' attorneys claimed many of the cases were built on provably false allegations from federal officers. It's also possible grand juries are serving their purpose: providing a check against prosecutors overcharging minor offenses.
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This has more to do with activist judges being TDS rattled and grand juries in blue districts that refuse to indict anyone Trump and his administration go after than failures of Trump. I point towards sub sandwich guy in DC as an example.
"I point towards sub sandwich guy in DC as an example"... of someone whose mother never told him it is a sin to waste food! And to think this judge could have pointed this out, but noooooooo!
*sigh* Civilization is lost.
So throwing things at people is fine? Or just fine when your allies do it?
Not like it was spit.
https://apnews.com/article/race-and-ethnicity-los-angeles-hate-crimes-arrests-california-618f941db0267c4f229d46cb5c7e2ff6
Or coughing.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/man-arrested-for-intentionally-coughing-on-someone-during-coronavirus-fight/
Should it be a felony?
Perhaps they will follow their Oregon betters and increase their fentanyl intake:
https://www.axios.com/local/portland/2025/02/20/oregon-overdose-deaths-fentanyl
Will that make them shit more too? I’m not sure if Portland’s streets can take much more.
I support Portland continuing to be the no punishment for drugs capital of the world. Sometimes people have to see the results of their ideas.
Couldn't have said it better.
Have they taken the TDS beat away from Sullum and given it to Joe?
My immediate suspicion is that the Federal prosecutors are deliberately throwing these cases. Because they're "Trump cases" and Trump is their Bad Orange Enemy in our current cold civil war. So they're conducting a white mutiny against him.
I remember how Darren Wilson was brought up before a grand jury with much fanfare for the shooting of Michael Brown, with the grand jury declining to indict, and the widespread suspicion (including by me) that the prosecutor deliberate sought this outcome. Because Wilson was a cop, a member of the de facto nobility, and so was cleared where a peasant would have been made to stand trial for an equally justified shooting.
I suspect similar prosecutorial shenanigans here.
My immediate suspicion is that the Federal prosecutors are deliberately throwing these cases.
Fuckwit, they're being filed by Trump-appointed prosecutors.
Fuckwit, how many stories do you want me to post showing deep state prosecutors going against trump as part of the resistance?
Everyone who goes against Trump is part of the deep state. That includes economists, universities, law firms, Trump-appointed prosecutors and judges, and former Trump cabinet members. It's all one giant conspiracy. The most amazing thing is they've all managed to perfectly cover up all the evidence of the conspiracy. And there's nothing in it for most of them. But it's totally a conspiracy because why else would anyone oppose Trump?
Shrike, does the deep state report to the politically elected or not? Or are you demanding and defending an unelected state fuckwit?
And what fucking cover up? They are literally open woth it retard. Proudly declaring themselves The Resistance. Open on social media.
Are you just this fucking retarded?
Yes, yes he is. He rapes small children too, or jerks off to watching others rape them.
After the first trump term there were hundreds of deep state traitors that said they were actively against Trump. They even told about the traitorous and illegal acts they committed to "get Trump". Now more are showing they will actively destroy America because orange man bad
Miles Taylor, aka "Anonymous", just admitted on CNN to subverting the president as a low level staffer. An encouraged more to do so.
Shrike pretends this doesn't exist.
That’s on Trump—he’s the president who appointed Bush Republicans like Kavanaugh and Tillerson and Rodentstain and McMaster. The irony is you thought impotent Trump was a great president…and you think powerful Trump who surrendered to the Taliban and developed the Covid vaccine was the worst president in history!! At heart you are a Cheney Republican…you can’t quit Dick. 😉
The political world consists of MAGAs and leftists. That's it. If you're not with Trump then you're a leftist. And all leftists are the same. So if you don't support Trump, all arguments against leftists are arguments against you, since by not supporting Trump you support everything MAGAs hate. And you're all in cahoots.
Again. Youre a leftist solely because you push their narratives, accusations, and cover for them constantly.
Really weird you cry so much about this as you call everyone cultists.
It really is a shame he hasn’t killed himself yet.
Yeah... or any other Giant Douche?
deep state prosecutors
And that's why the right-wing description of the "deep state" is a farce. Because it is a non-falsifiable hypothesis. Any result that doesn't go Team MAGA's way is laid at the feet of the "deep state" regardless if that had anything to do with it. It's MAGA's version of "the Jews" as being responsible for everything bad.
Tell us more about trunk bears.
Jeff would have lost it if nobody had replied to him.
We really ight want o start freezing him out. Wouldn’t that destroy his income?
The Deep State is simply a synonym for Bush Republicans…that’s why Democrats don’t really understand the Deep State because in their eyes Bush Republicans have largely been rehabilitated because they oppose Trump. But what has accepting the Cheneys and The Bulwark and Nicole Wallace into polite society accomplished for Democrats?? Absolutely nothing!! Bush Republicans’ power was based on their voters stand their voters sucked from 2000-2008 and they still suck.
Zzzzzzzz
Except Michael Brown was attacking him, but your point on the Blue prosecutors tanking their cases, much like the public defenders did for J6 defendents, still seems likely.
Is there any evidence whatsoever that public defenders deliberately tanked Jan. 6 cases?
I think a more likely explanation is that Jan. 6 defendants experienced the same crappy public defender system that every other defendant experiences, nothing personal about them specifically.
The facts are, Biden, or whoever was making the decisions , made this whole mess and left it to Trump to clean up with all the open border crap.
The facts are,
...not as you claim. This has nothing to do with Biden. It's all rump prosecutors
You really are retarded shrike.
Judges.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-picked-attorney-reacts-after-judge-disqualifies-him-10967207
Prosecutors themselves.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/06/us-attorney-letitia-james-trump
Shrike will ignore any evidence presented to him. You can’t expect honesty from a proven pedophile like him.
That may well be true of shrike, but I'm not shrike, of course.
We know. *wink*
And you do understand how district court judges are approved, right? A ‘Trump judge’ in a blue state is going to be someone who has the blessing of the democrat senators. So those judges are going to be democrats. As it is nothing like approving SCOTUS nominees.
Or were you not aware of that Guv’na Shrike?
We're talking about prosecutors. Was Halligan appointed by Biden, Trump, or district judges? Was Essayli appointed by Biden, Trump, or district judges?
You really are a retarded lying pile of TDS-addled shit.
Fuck off and die, asswipe
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#ssr-is
As I'm not shrike, I'm not sure why you think it would be relevant to me.
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#ssr-is
Seeing pedophiles where there are none seems somewhat pathological.
Perhaps you should identify actual pedophiles on this forum and post the link for their benefit, not mine.
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#ssr-is
Biden secured the border in 2024. The violent crime spike and fentanyl death surge started in 2020 and Biden cleaned it up.
Biden having "open borders" is a MAGA lie.
Lol. Wow. The ignorance. You made Jeff hard tricking another retard.
I agree here, the biggest group pushing the idea of open borders was the Republicans. It should also be noted that when President Biden asked the Congress for help the Republicans refused and did so at Trump request. Check the history if you want the truth.
W pushed for temporary work visas dummy. Democrats push for u fettered borders and amnesty.
… but the homicide rate has been down over the past two years, and it remains considerably lower than it was in the 1990s.
But it remains considerably higher than safe states in the US. Those with the plantation mentality ignore that.
I do love reason sticking to its doen from an absolute peak so they are used to it. Go back even 8 years and still very high.
And you know, the cops say they were ordered to alter the data
And he forgets to mention the DCPD has been seen to be fudging their stats
Crime isn't lower - what the police are classifying as crime is lower.
Marxists do love their propaganda.
Comrade 1: “So many problems, tovarisch. I can no longer handle them.”
Comrade 2: “Good news comrade! Just came from party meeting. All problems now outlawed!”
Indeed. It's the "rehabilitate the engineers" joke.
Are we disappointed that more people aren’t being convicted?
Reason once again celebrates highly political juries allowing the far left to commit crimes without consequence. They likely would have celebrated jury protection of the KKK under the same conditions.
To think this self declared libertarian rag celebrates unequal and political application of law.
If they were less partisan and consistent in it then it could be justifiable. Sandwich tosser objectively doesn't deserve more than a few days in jail and some community service for his assault. Problem is they see egregious judgements against the Right and nod along then parrot things like the "mostly peaceful" riots for Dem causes.
The left, according to all surveys and polling, supports political exemptions from the law far more than conservatives do.
In d.c. we have public declarations of getting onto juries to get their allies off. In Seattle a juror publicly threatened jurors to get an ally off a few years ago.
Donald Epstein, himself a friggin moron, hired a bunch of friggin morons that can't even file paperwork right. Their cases are full of holes and they fall apart before trial. What a circus
Youre still trying this after claiming you dont carry water for the left shrike?
They never give up the con. Never.
This is why they hav ego be put down, and I can’t think of a single reason Shrike should be allowed to exist.
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#ssr-is
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-services-benefits/medical-assistance-dying.html
There's a basic constitutional right not to be prosecuted for an "infamous crime" (nowadays, basically a felony) unless you're charged by a grand jury.
Of course, as with any constitutional right, there's the risk that this right will let guilty people get away - or in this context to have guilty felons prosecuted as misdemeants instead.
Just like the Fourth Amendment lets some guilty people get away. But should we downgrade the Fourth Amendment because of this?
Yet the grand jury right *has* been downgraded - while the feds have to respect the right, many states allow people to be tried for felonies without a grand jury charge.
The U. S. Supreme Court allows this because (according to their precedents) the grand-jury right in the Fifth Amendment is one of the few rights which states *don't* have to respect. Only the feds have to respect it.
This distinction is arbitrary, yet traditionally, civil libertarians haven't been as enthusiastic about the grand-jury right as they have been about (say) the exclusionary rule.
Well, what do you think? Do states have to respect the grand jury right, even if grand juries have a regrettable record of not indicting #Resistance figures?
Grand jury requirements do not work on heavily political districts. See the KKK in the early 1900s south. Juries insured they would not be held accountable.
Allowing jurisdictions to be moved in these cases would alleviate some of that concern. However it os extremely difficult. Judges who are also captured in politics almost never allow these cases to be moved.
De,Croats should not be allowed to participate int the legal system. With exception of being criminal and civil defendants.
The grand jury process assumes that the prosecutor WANTS an indictment. Too often that isn't so, and the prosecutor is free to argue AGAINST an indictment to the jury, in effect acting as a defense attorney for the accused. One way to address this I've heard proposed would be to allow counsel for the victims of the accused to present a case for indictment to the grand jury.
Writer never thought to ask any residents what they think about the current crime situation in DC?
Resident opinion is it's far better now that it was before Trump decided to do the jobs that the democrats have utterly and completely FAILED to do.
Typical bullshit article pushing supposition, assumptions, straw men, non sequitur misinformation and not posting the relevant facts or data.
Besides that when will the real statistics come out considering they lag at least one year behind?
Will the stats be legit considering the proven fake submissions and known omissions from democrat crime data reported over the last decade?
We already know blue areas were manipulating stats.
The prosecutors are one side of the story. They are (or should be) Trump's people, and he has chosen many incompetent staffers before. If they're failing, that's on him.
But you're leaving out the jury part of the equation. These are regular numbnuts who live in DC and LA. Any chance they are as wildly liberal as the cities they live in? And any chance they're letting their all-defining politics influence their judgements?
I'm pretty sure Sandwich Guy would have been convicted of assault if he was wearing a red hat and he threw it at Nancy Pelosi or Jill Biden. And he probably should have been. He obviously threw the sandwich because that's what he had on him. If he had a lead pipe, I'd bet a finger he would have thrown that instead. Dude is unhinged.
If he had been in Portland, Oregon he would have reached down and picked one of many piles of human feces deposited in the public spaces and flung that.
Even as late as the 2010s, I never heards of politically biased juries.
In Africa they have a site called shit Beach. Everyone goes and shits there. Vice did a documentary on it. Portland is just trying to import that beauty.
Is there a link to this documentary?
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/24-hours-of-portland-homeless-crisis-one-day-documentary/283-6d65458a-a1af-45fb-bf3b-852fdfd6f45b
Was over a decade ago. Apparently america is idolizing them.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/americas-beaches-are-full-of-poop-and-it-might-be-getting-worse/
SQRLSY should be captured and transported to Portland. Releasing him there would be like using a goat to clear out weeds and underbrush. Like a shit eating Pac-Man.
The streets of Portland could be licked clean in a few months.
FudgePac-Man
And any chance they're letting their all-defining politics influence their judgements?
The only explicitly political person in the entire case is the prosecutor appointed by Team Trump. And yet somehow any sort of political bias by THAT person is never mentioned. Huh I wonder why.
It's always politics when it comes to the judge, the jury, the defense team, probably the court stenographer too. But to think that the PROSECUTOR might be playing politics? No way!
I'm pretty sure Sandwich Guy would have been convicted of assault if he was wearing a red hat and he threw it at Nancy Pelosi or Jill Biden. And he probably should have been.
Sure, but probably at most a ticket and a fine. Not a felony.
He obviously threw the sandwich because that's what he had on him. If he had a lead pipe, I'd bet a finger he would have thrown that instead. Dude is unhinged.
If you assume that Sandwich Guy is a moral monster, then yes you can imagine all sorts of horrible things.
You have no business talking about morals.
He can definitely talk about them. He supports evil. From rape to murder.
As long as the illegal alien rapefugee claims remorse afterwards.
It's weird, that as my comments and criticisms of Team MAGA become more accurate, the slanderous accusations against me get more and more outrageous.
First it was that I was merely overweight.
Then I was a pedophile.
Then I was a Nazi.
Then I was a Marxist.
Now I'm supposedly just stone-cold evil who supports rape and murder.
It's just amusing how much you all just flail and flail in your very obvious attempts to avoid having to discuss anything of substance with me.
It really circles back to the pathological lying to gaslight for collectivism with the disturbing MAPedo undertones.
Lies are a weapon for communists.
…to avoid having to discuss anything of substance with me.
You aren’t capable of doing so.
No, trying to have a serious conversation with a sea lion is always a waste of time.
Oh come on jeff. Didn't you know that you can refute what someone says by calling them names? You're a poopy-head, and that means everything you say is wrong! I win!
It would be a gross misdemeanor. That can feature up to a year in jail, fines, home confinement, and/or community service. Most likely 30-90 days home confinement, a fine, and the balance of a year’s probation. Maybe some community service too.
Misdemeanor assault is not a parking ticket.
In his defense, Shamu can’t see people hurling food in one’s direction as anything other than a blessing.
Jeff would have found him guilty for not also throwing the subway cookie at him.
No, the prosecutors are largely career employees, so not Trump's. Sometimes the failure is the case, sometimes the jury or judge and sometimes it's the prosecutor ranking a case they don't think should be filed.
That a sandwich thrower would be indicted for throwing a sandwich at Nancy Pelosi is speculation. We do know that if you attack Paul Pelosi with a hammer Republicans will joke about the attack.
Cool. Now do assassinated free speech advocates on campus. Pretty sure elected Democratic officials, government employees and late night TV "comedians" get to make jokes about that.
>—a highly debatable characterization
Only to white people who do not live there. When even the mayor says it was what they needed . . .
The only thing grand juries should be considering is the politics of the person who is charged. If they're MAGA then whoever arrested them needs to be terminated. If they're not then they are leftists which makes them guilty without need of a trial.
You believe that, except the other way around. Remember how you celebrated the death of Ashli Babbitt and the persecution of the J6 detainees?
The only thing grand juries should be considering is the politics of the person who is charged.
It looks like that is currently happening in Dem strongholds, so you can rejoice for that. Not unlike Dem strongholds of the past not indicting or convicting their KKK thugs (proto antifa).
I now refer to KSR as KKK (Kreepy KAR Kreature). It’s short, and showcases his inherent Neo Marxist racism and antisemitism.
Like you did with all the suits and criminal charges against trump, his lawyers, j6?
All the more proof that we are not actually living in an authoritarian hellscape, and thet Trump isn't an actul dictator.
The checks and balances are working to keep an overly eager and authoritarian natured man from becoming an actual authoritarian. The world is not ending, and this is a good thing.
You sure taught those strawmen a lesson. Bravo.
How do you still not know what strawman means?
TDS + alcohol = retardation
Biden Derangement Syndrome + Kirkland vodka = typical MAGA behavior.
He still can’t get it right.
Violent crime remains a problem in the district, but the homicide rate has been down over the past two years
Murder is down, just ignore all the rape, robbery, assault, carjackings, drug use, etc.
Within three weeks of Trump taking over D.C.'s police, grand juries in the city declined to return indictments at least seven times.
You said it yourself - they're going after felony charges instead of likely more appropriate misdemeanor charges.
It's a show of force, Joe. And a much needed one. Honestly, the tack they should be taking is to arrest these people - harsh and unforgivingly (face in the dirt, zipties around wrists and legs) to get that on camera - and then just go ahead and chase maximum penalties under the misdemeanor statutes. Accept a plea deal only on the condition that make a public televised apology a condition of them.
Otherwise, the misdemeanor charges will stick, and then we hammer them with sentencing.
Your article paints the efforts to address crime ("misconduct at protests and immigration raids" - screw you) as laughable. But you cannot deny the fact that criminals are and have been acting with impunity, and now it's time to bring the pain down on them.
Unless, of course, you're pro-crime. Which is a real possibility around here.
Unless, of course, you're pro-crime.
Intelligent people understand that there is a tradeoff between enforcing the law, and protecting individual liberties.
If there is no enforcement of the law, then that means there is an effective state of anarchy, and no one's individual liberties are protected.
BUT, if there is excessive law enforcement, then that means there is a police state, and again no one's individual liberties are protected.
The right-wing demagogues get a lot of mileage by accusing anyone who doesn't support endless increase in policing as being "soft on crime" or "pro-crime". But libertarians ought to be smarter than that.
If you consider the term "victimless crime" to be an oxymoron, then according to AT you are pro-crime. Take this quote from Neal Boortz for example. It pretty much sums up the libertarian point of view on crime.
I'm sure AT would want to kill the guy if he wasn't already dead.
'Neither the federal government, nor any state or local government shall make any activity a crime unless said activity violates another person's right to life, liberty, or property, either through force or fraud.'
Well that's just crazy talk. What if someone is saying something mean about
TrumpAmerica? And what if that person is... an immigrant? Well that person has to be dealt with. We can't have that kind of sedition in this country!What if they seek happiness by putting unapproved chemicals into their bodies? That's as bad as murder!
What if they burn their own flag on their own property? Why, that's a crime against America! That ought to be illegal!
In all truth, I have never understood why people who would burn their nation's flag remain citizens of that nation. Especially when they're free to easily expat.
For example, we had eight miserable, destructive, ruinous years of Obama raping this country in the face, and never once did it occur to me to burn a flag in protest of his bastardized definition of "America." What occurred to me was doing everything within my power as a lawful citizen to remove him from power. In fact, I raised that flag even higher just to spite him. Be it by advocacy, protest, or vote - but never by burning my flag. If I felt that strongly that said flag no longer represented me or my nation - I'd have just left.
My flag has never offended me. It has always offended people like HIM, who couldn't wait to burn it.
That's what makes flag burners such a joke. So much a "have your cake and eat it too" type. Instead of making the bold sacrifice to renounce their citizenship in real protest and principled objection.
What life, liberty, or property did trump violate by paying for an NDA?
What about the non violent J6ers.
Altruist Totalitarian is testimony to the effectiveness of Christian National Socialist Hitlerjugend brainwashing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v5QCGqDYGo
Steve Ditko, who drew Mr A comics, actually participated in the occupation of Christian Nazi Germany.
But how would local governments pad their revenue?
- A 42yr old man has consensual sex with a 12yr old boy. No life, liberty, or property violated.
- A married woman cheats on her husband, gives him an STD, refuses to take part in any aspect of the mothering of her children, and ultimately divorces him, skipping town and abandoning them all. No life, liberty, or property violated.
- A con-artist convinces a mark to fall for a scam, which the mark agrees to of his own volition having foolishly trusted someone he shouldn't. No life, liberty, or property violated.
- A cult of perverts openly brags and expresses pride about their sodomite habits and their efforts to groom young children into the practice. No life, liberty, or property violated.
- A drug peddler entices adults (and kids) into addiction, creates debt slaves that repay through prostitution or other crime-under-duress, and turns a community of people into shuffling derelicts that use the public sidewalk as both their toilet and bedroom. No life, liberty, or property violated.
- An illegal alien breaks and enters into the country and begins enriching himself off of public services paid for by tax dollars to which he's not contributed a dime. In the meantime he goes about exploiting the virtue of others, expressing open support for our enemies, and encouraging dissonance among the citizenry. No life, liberty, or property violated.
I like John Locke as much as the next person, but "doesn't interfere with anyone else" goes far beyond only affecting life, liberty, and property. The Founders knew this, of course - and that's why they didn't want the State tacitly (or, these days, openly) endorsing immorality.
Now, sarc, this is very easy: is there something fundamentally wrong with pedophilia, adultery, child neglect, exploitation of the naive, homosexuality, drug proliferation, and illegal alienage - despite the fact that they offend neither life, liberty, or property?
If you can't say yes, then maybe you don't really have a place in any civilized, moral, lawful society.
Because you can't have a civilized society that respects life, liberty, or property if it doesn't first respect morality.
A free society cannot be divorced from a moral society. And the law has to both recognize AND police immorality. There should be very real consequences for the people who engage in pedophilia, adultery, neglect, divorce, exploitation, homosexuality, drug peddling, drug abuse, and illegal alienage. And if that's not going to be done by law, then it's ultimately going to be done by vigilantism.
And I don't think that's the solution you want unless, at the end of the day, you really DO just want some kind of anarchist free for all. Which will, of course, ultimately usher in the kind of fascist dictatorship you oh-so-decry to try and restore order.
You clowns never ever think beyond the immediate desire and whim. (And, around here, the desire is plainly clear. I, I, I; me, me, me; now, now, now.)
Oh shit, I guess he's still alive. For some reason I thought he'd passed.
The Boortz Report
Define "excessive."
Try to make it something other than "enforcing laws I don't like despite having 100% power to effect their change if I don't like them."
To Altruist Totalitarian, any straying from Victory Cigarettes and Gin is the same thing as rape, robbery and carjackings. This sheds light on who is actually paying for the War On Everything Else.
The Grey Cup is today. I’m actually curious how Mother’s Lament ties it into his conspiracy theories. It’s part of the “woke globhomo deep state” somehow, but I actually wouldn’t mind hearing the specifics.
I just fine it hilarious that someone that sad and pathetic tries so hard to pretend he’s better than everyone.
Does this make sense to boring people?
1. You’re not the intended audience, because you’re a retard. My comment is targeted towards non-retards, so it’s expected that you won’t understand it.
2. The Niners are going to kick the shit out of the Cardinals today. What’s it like to be a fan of a team that will never win anything?
Cool story KKK.
The Niners are going to kick the shit out of the Cardinals today. What’s it like to be a fan of a team that will never win anything?
Sportsball posturing. Boring.
That was a boring response.
Is all these guys have to do is change their names to avoid the filters? Do I need to play whack a mole?
I’m curious as to how you remain unmurdered, KKK.
Because traitors like you talk tough, but are actually cowards.
All hat and no cattle.
Then come for a visit KKK. But you won’t. You’re a little bitch and a pussy.
He hides in shithole Portland behind other retards.
I love all of these comments trying to rationalize away the decision with respect to Sandwich Guy:
"It was a deep state prosecutor who deliberately threw the case."
"It was a politically motivated judge who tanked the case."
"It was a bunch of radical leftists on the jury who just hated Trump."
And yet no one seems to have hit on the most likely explanation:
"The decision to charge Sandwich Guy with a felony was a politically motivated one that the jury rightfully saw through and rejected."
I love all of these comments…
But you’d really love if people tossed sandwiches at you, am I right?
Yes, and he would additionally like a foot long in his other orifice too.
"The decision to charge Sandwich Guy with a felony was a politically motivated one that the jury rightfully saw through and rejected."
Oh come on jeff. You should know by now that MAGAs are never politically motivated for the same reason that nothing the Trump administration is doing could be considered lawfare. Principals, not principles.
He wasn’t charged with a felony you retarded drunk.
Oh I think they know exactly what they are doing, at least the ones around here. It's just straight-up gaslighting. They know that charging Sandwich Guy with a felony was a politically motivated weaponization of the government against the other tribe. They know this and completely approve of this, but try desperately to disguise how nakedly authoritarian their true feelings are.
It was a misdemeanor, Fatfuck. Which is correct.
It's just straight-up gaslighting.
Gas-lighting, bald-faced lying. Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ypvv8n1jvo.amp
“A Washington DC protester has been found not guilty of misdemeanor assault after a video emerged”
Yeah, it’s not them that’s doing the gaslighting.
So weird watching you and jeff defended murder by a Capitol officer then get outraged when someone is arrested for assaulting an officer. Whats (D)ifferent?
He was charged with a misdemeanor you lying Fatfuck. Which was appropriate. In fact, every jurisdiction has some version of misdemeanor assault that would apply to this situation even if the victim wasn’t a federal officer. Washington State calls it fourth degree assault.
But I have no doubt you will continue to lie about this, just as you lie about everything.
It is the duty of all patriotic Americans to fight against fascists, authoritarianism, and tyranny. Times ten if those are inside the US.
Current tyranny caused by very lax treatment of those who perpetrated J6 should be a makeup call to all not to repeat that mistake. Only one person was brought to justice for J6.
Yes, so we. Use eliminate the democrat party and all Marxists.
Like you.
So when does this “elimination” start? Will you be partaking in it? You talk tough about it constantly, so why hasn’t it started yet?
All hat and no cattle
"It was always the women, and above all the young ones, who were the most bigoted adherents of the Party, the swallowers of slogans, the amateur spies and nosers-out of unorthodoxy"
KARen
I'm sure it wasn't politically motivated. I'm certain if I threw a rotten tomato at Speaker Jeffries the D.C. jury would let me off too.
If you threw a rotten tomato at anyone, I would hope and expect that any jury would acquit you of a felony.
Again, the punishment should probably be something like a ticket and a fine. Not a felony with prison time.
I agree but I really doubt one would get off that easily if tossing produce at any MC.
It could easily be a felony.
I suppose, but should it? I mean, other than a ruined shirt what's the harm?
If the tomato was frozen and thrown really hard at his head. Felony.
Yes, it could, in the current climate of prosecutors overcharging for relatively minor crimes.
Or, yes, it could, in some incredibly contrived scenario where the tomato caused some real physical harm to the victim.
But in the ordinary usual situation where the tomato does nothing more than cause a big mess, and where there is a prosecutor who is not deliberately overcharging, then no, it's not a felony.
So nobody’s rights were violated?
Had it hit a Muslim that was a tranny on their way to an abortion it would have been a felony hate crime.
Frozen tomato.
Goalposts go "Whoosh!".
I'm sure that it has nothing to do with the jury pool being 90 percent Democrat in both DC and LA. Nothing at all, I'm sure...
Would you indict, or convict, someone of a felony for the crime of throwing a sandwich at someone?
It is assault, or you might think of it as a violation of someone’s rights.
MAGAs can't answer that question without knowing the politics of everyone involved.
Was it assault by definition dumdum?
You and jeff skipped right over the arrests for spit and coughing. Weird.
Misdemeanor assault & battery; sentence should be $100-$200 fine + court costs and 120 hours community service (barring other criminal convictions, at some point got to learn your lesson) About the same sentence as 90ish percent of the Jan 6ers should have gotten.
Gosh. Treason used to be a hanging offense.
Eating chili from New York City used to be a hanging offense…Americans have grown soft!
Article III, Section 3, Clause 1: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
In no world did sandwich guy or Jan 6thers commit treason. Don't be daft.
Fuck community service. Bring back humiliation. Make 'em report to the local mall food court, or town square, or where the jurisdiction has the largest, general weekend traffic and have 'em spend the day in the stocks with signboard describing their violation.
You mean, I'm not going to indulge your false equivalencies? Yes, that's right!
So, getting back to the subject of the article: what are the chances of Turd Sandwich getting indicted again?
Trump’s first military order was to assassinate a little American girl and 9 of her little friends…once you get away with that you can get away with anything!
Her father, Anwar al-Awlaki, was the first to be killed by the executive branch when on September 30, 2011, CIA orders calling for a precision drone strike targeting him[11] were given presidential approval by President Barack Obama.[12] Anwar al-Awlaki was alleged by the U.S. government to be a leader of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula that had gone "operational",[13] although the US government has refused to declassify much of the evidence that led them to this conclusion. Two weeks after the death of her father, Nawar's sixteen-year-old half-brother, Abdulrahman, was also killed in a U.S. drone strike.
We’ve upgraded from Keystone Cops to Keystone Prosecutors.
In the urban feedlots Democrats are safe from legal repercussions.
The fact you cannot comprehend that this indicates society is okay with attacking law enforcement, and that is a serious issue, proves you're incompetent.