What Does Fentanyl Have to Do With Alleged Drug Boats 2,600 Miles Away? Absolutely Nothing.
President Trump’s pretextual claim that fentanyl carrying drug boats in the Caribbean are an existential threat to Americans doesn’t pass muster.
President Donald Trump has ordered the killing of 64 people through "lethal kinetic strikes," with three more deaths reported on November 1, after another boat carrying alleged "narcoterrorists" was destroyed in the Caribbean.
The president has stated that those killed in strikes trafficked fentanyl, backed up by his dubious assertion that every boat taken out saves "25,000 American lives." As covered by Reason's Jacob Sullum, this claim conflates fentanyl with cocaine and other drugs from Latin America.
While the president has defended his actions as a necessary measure to combat the flow of fentanyl amid a domestic opioid crisis, there's no evidence these drug strikes have affected fentanyl trafficking or reduced overdose deaths.
Compared to 2024, the country has seen a 24 percent decline in drug overdose deaths this year, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The U.S. Customs and Border Protection reports a 45 percent decrease in fentanyl seized on land and a 49 percent decrease in seizures over air and sea compared to last year.
If, as the president has previously said, these boats "pose a threat to U.S. National Security, Foreign Policy, and vital U.S. Interests," one would expect to see an increase in drug seizures rather than a decline. The president's claims also run contrary to those made by his Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). In its 2025 National Drug Threat Assessment, the DEA points to Mexican Transnational Criminal Organizations (TCOs) as the prominent traffickers of illegal fentanyl, in collaboration with Chinese suppliers.
Given the location of the strikes—roughly 2,600 miles away from Mexico—there's little reason to believe the over 60 people killed so far were involved in fentanyl trafficking. A Government Accountability Office report on federal efforts to stop fentanyl smuggling found that 80 percent of fentanyl seizures by the Department of Homeland Security happened in the southwest border region during FY 2021–2024.
During the same period, seizures of precursor chemicals and the production equipment used to synthesize fentanyl typically occurred in the coastal and interior areas in the U.S., far from the Caribbean. The Congressional Commission on Combating Synthetic Opioid Trafficking reached a similar conclusion, finding that "Mexico is the principal source of this illicit fentanyl and its analogues today." Rather than smuggling fentanyl through Latin American fishing boats, the Commission notes that drug traffickers tend to "conceal hard-to-detect quantities in packages, in vehicles, and on persons and smuggle the drug across the U.S.–Mexico border."
Apart from having no tangible effect on opioid smuggling routes, the Trump administration's focus on the supply side of the opioid epidemic fails to address the root causes of the issue, doubling down on prohibition. This tactic has been ineffective in the war on drugs. The Trump administration could act on its mission to save American lives from the scourge of opioid addiction by supporting proven strategies at the state and federal levels, such as scaling treatments that work and providing wider access to those treatments.
While opioid addiction and opioid-related overdoses remain a problem, health care providers in the U.S. have seen marked improvements in dealing with the crisis, specifically through harm reduction strategies like pharmacy-based interventions, syringe services programs, and broader distribution of naloxone, a nonaddictive opioid reversal drug.
If killing fentanyl dealers and drug traffickers were the solution, the focus would be domestic. The majority of drug traffickers arrested—particularly in cartel strongholds, such as the southwest border, Gulf of Mexico, and the Caribbean—are U.S. citizens.
Rather than unconstitutional lethal strikes far from the fentanyl crisis's origin, the Trump administration could support states using proven methods to reduce overdose risk and promote healthier lives for those with opioid use disorder.
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How do you know they didn’t have to boat loaded with fentanyl?
Tosin should hop on board the next one and verify his statement there.
this claim conflates fentanyl with cocaine and other drugs from Latin America.
So what. Does it really matter whether we're blowing fentanyl boats or coke boats or weed boats or a boat full of harvested organs out of the water?
The Trump administration could act on its mission to save American lives from the scourge of opioid addiction by supporting proven strategies at the state and federal levels, such as scaling treatments that work and providing wider access to those treatments.
There it is. Reason's "get the drugs in America, and then do something about them" mentality. Whatever gets the drugs in America, right smackheads?
The best thing to do when your Check Engine goes light on is wait until the engine dies and then treat the problem. Derp derp let's keep listening to the "reasoning" of drug addicts derp.
Thread hijack warning:
The only thing your check engine light tells you is whether or not you will pass state emissions tests.
*steps down off soapbox* OK. Carry on with the killing.
Yeah, best thing to do when the CEL comes on is check the code and then ignore it if it's not something that actually affects operation. Occasionally it's actually something that matters.
So very wrong. Your advise about cars is almost as bad as the rest.
In my experience dumb emissions stuff is usually what it's telling you. But it's good to check because there are more serious problems that it will report as well like knocking, misfires, etc.
Correct. If your check engine light comes on, take a minute to stop at autozone and get it scanned. It could save you thousands of dollars. Do not ignore it.
It does not matter what types of drugs are on those boats because it is illegal no matter what.
Correct. It is illegal to transport drugs in this fashion.
I meant the murder is illegal.
Illegal requires that laws were broken. Please specify which laws you are claiming were violated.
Keep celebrating murder.
America might have won the war on alcohol with kinetic strikes against rum runners etc
The Soviet Union saw fewer casualties during the Battle of Berlin than Stalingrad or Leningrad. But the war wasn’t (essentially) won until the national socialist capital capitulated. Numbers numbers.
Maduro admitted those killed were narcotraffickers.
Drug use is a victimless crime (provided all govt welfare is sunset) and drugs should not be illegal.
It’s a victimless crime until some junkie steals your television to finance his next fix.
No, it's still a victimless crime even then. Stealing your television, that's a crime. And you think that person wouldn't be stealing anyway?
So by that drugs are a shorthand, visible indicator of irredeemable criminality and they should be separated from society like in a facility for them.
said no libertarian ever
Decriminalizing all drugs; specifically hard drugs; would be catastrophic. We don't need any more examples. That is a reasonable libertarian stance.
The drug use is victimless. Theft is theft and a similar argument has been made regarding welfare: if you end it, people will just take your stuff.
We should punish the crime, not the motive. I feel the exact same about hate crime laws.
Yeah, justifying prohibition because someone might steal your TV (or whatever) is basically pre-crime. Hold people responsible for their behavior, not signs that they might behave badly later. Plenty of people do drugs without criminally victimizing others. The big problem is allowing the shit to go on on the streets, which hasn't been dealt with well under prohibition.
Depends on your city and the skin color of the person taking your TV.
How does this affect John Roberts' credibility?
Didn't bother reading the article, just the headline. Is there a person in the world who doesn't know this? Whether you support or oppose the policy needn't have anything to do with its stated reasons, which are spoken up the sleeve, probably followed by a big laugh by all.
If you can track them you can stop them so blowing them up is not needed. either way whatever drugs are on those boats must be having an affect on the sea life especially if its fentenal. where are the environmentalist to stop this ecological damage
If you don't mind getting shot at. Should work.
We can't have tariffs because Reason can't get cheap foreign knickknacks, China is working with Mexicans to supply fentanyl into the US - but because Venezuela is 2,600 miles away they can't possibly be involved?
The disconnect between the factoids listed in this article and the conclusions claimed for them by the writer are almost as striking as the disconnect between the President's assertions and reality are! It is claimed that one would expect to see an increase in drug seizures if the destruction of transporters in the Caribbean was effective, yet officials report a decrease. Is the writer losing it, or did I miss something?
If new drugs aren't coming in there's going to be less inside the country to seize . . .
Exactly!
Without fentanyl how are we supposed to keep our homeless population number under control?
Build America, Buy America compliant American MAID wood chipper.
Maybe drop the M. Just provide Assistance In Dying. You really want to end it? Try out this walk-in chipper. If the sound bothers you, here are some ear plugs.
In Canada, it is called MAID. And then the American Made/MAID part.
Bathtub Gin?
Casus belli for the invasion. Cheney maybe dead but neocons are back in business.
24% drop in ODs and a nearly 50% drop in stuff making it to be seized.
But Reason thinks it's having no effect.
Okay then....
Compared to 2024, the country has seen a 24 percent decline in drug overdose deaths this year...
Why does Reason continue to think this is an effective arguement. It is the equivalent of saying; Sarc beat his wife 24% less this year then last year.
I'm divorced you dumb fuck. The only wife I beat is yours.
Sarc thinks it’s ok to beat women.
Does that include beating off to Maddow? He’s got that handled.
Are they boats of members of a designated terrorist organization who are attempting an assault on the US as determined by the entity the law states makes that determination and has the constitutional authority to repel that assault? If so, then your entire argument is meaningless.
What does he think is on those go-fast open ocean drug boats being taken out? No, they weren’t fishing boats. Fishing boats don’t look like that. They don’t have refrigeration for the catch, nor room for the line or tackle. No line pullers, etc. Just sleek and powerful, for outracing most everything on the sea (just not over it).
Why is the cross border drug traffic down substantially? Under Biden, our southern border border was wide open, in order to facilitate illegal immigration. When that was shut down, much of the drug trafficking was also shut down. So, how to get those drugs into this country, if not across our now mostly closed, southern border? Turns out, one way is using these high speed drug boats out of hostile countries, like here.
Finally, why fentanyl? Simple economics. There’s not much money anymore in pot, sine it is legally grown and sold throughout much of this country. The value, per pound, is highest for fentanyl, followed probably by coziness and then heroin. I have heard that those boats go for >$1m each. The profit, per shipment, using these boats has to be significant, just to pay for them. And with the USG blowing them up fairly consistently, the cost is likely getting prohibitive, at least using this route.
Come now Bruce. Don't you know it's just friendly Paco rowing out into the middle of the ocean with nothing but a coffee can full of worms and a gentle smile to cast the rod he made out of a stick and a shoelace to try and feed his impoverished family?
Why don't you feel sorry for poor friendly Paco?