According to Trump, He Has Already Saved 350,000 Lives by Murdering Suspected Drug Smugglers
There are several problems with the president's math, which suggests he has accomplished an impossible feat.
As of Wednesday, President Donald Trump had ordered 14 military attacks on suspected drug boats in the Caribbean and off the Pacific coast of Colombia, killing a total of 61 people. But according to Trump, each of those strikes prevented 25,000 drug overdose deaths, meaning he has saved 350,000 lives so far by summarily executing smugglers.
"Every boat that we knock out, we save 25,000 American lives," Trump averred during an Oval Office press conference a couple of weeks ago. "Every boat is saving 25,000 lives. The boats get hit, and you see that fentanyl all over the ocean."
That eyebrow-raising estimate resembles Attorney General Pam Bondi's absurd claim that the Trump administration had "saved…258 million lives" during its first 100 days by intercepting shipments of illicit fentanyl—an assertion that epitomized the illogic of the war on drugs. There are a few problems with Trump's math.
To begin with, Trump conflates cocaine, which is produced mainly in Colombia and is often transported by sea, with fentanyl, which is produced in Mexico and overwhelmingly enters the United States in small packages by land over the southern border. According to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), fentanyl accounts for nearly 70 percent of drug-related deaths in the United States.
The National Center for Drug Abuse Statistics says two milligrams of fentanyl is a potentially lethal dose. Trump therefore seems to be assuming that each of the boats destroyed on his orders was carrying 50 grams of fentanyl. That is pretty large for a fentanyl shipment: Between 2018 and 2023, according to a recent study, most fentanyl powder seizures weighed less than 40 grams. Even so, 50 grams (less than two ounces) is not large enough that you would see "fentanyl all over the ocean" after blowing up a boat carrying it, which underlines the point that Trump's fentanyl is imaginary.
Even if we join Trump in pretending that cocaine is fentanyl, his claim relies on two other fallacious assumptions. If those 50 grams of fanciful fentanyl had not been intercepted, he implicitly posits, they would have been delivered to 25,000 different American consumers, each of whom would have consumed his share in a single sitting, with fatal results. Trump also imagines, contrary to more than a century of experience with drug interdiction, that traffickers do not compensate for intercepted shipments by sending more. When drugs are seized or destroyed, he seems to think, the total supply available to Americans is reduced by that amount. If that were true, it would be hard to understand why Trump says drug interdiction is "totally ineffective."
Leaving aside these inconvenient details, Trump's account of what he is accomplishing by ordering the deaths of suspected smugglers, like Bondi's estimate of lives saved by less lethal anti-drug efforts that Trump now concedes were "totally ineffective," is impossible on its face. Last year, the CDC estimates, illegal drug use resulted in about 82,000 U.S. "overdose deaths." By Trump's account, he has somehow prevented more than four times as many drug-related fatalities by destroying a tiny portion of the total supply.
Trump has never let reality get in the way of a self-flattering story. But in this case, his nonsensical bragging aims to do more than show how great he is.
Trump is trying to justify murder as self-defense, obscuring the immorality and lawlessness of his bloodthirsty anti-drug tactics. Trump's unprecedented policy of killing suspected drug smugglers instead of arresting them—which has already become the new normal—simultaneously corrupts the mission of the armed forces, erasing the traditional distinction between civilians and combatants, and undermines long-standing principles of criminal justice, imposing the death penalty without statutory authorization or any semblance of due process. But he hopes his extravagant claims about hypothetical deaths prevented by intercepting imaginary fentanyl will distract the public from the actual deaths he is ordering.
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>>... obscuring the immorality and lawlessness of his bloodthirsty anti-drug tactics.
against the drug-trafficking orphanarium-operating nuns?
Sullum used the word blood. Doesn't that mean sullum is mecha hitler?
I can buy that.
" . . . which suggests he has accomplished an impossible feat."
Well, he DID get elected - - - - - -
This is why you can't have morons in charge. (a la DLAM)
There hasn’t been a smart guy in office my entire life. You get used to it.
All true
Carter was pretty smart. Not a good President, though but you might not be that old. Some of us are, ugh. Nixon wasn't stupid, either. Actually, the only President I have questions about were the two most recent Democratic ones. Biden was nasty and clever but not that bright. Obama was sleazy, backstabbing and knew how to play the DEI game but also not overly bright.
Bush was a good Christian and the worst president in history!!
Agreed. Reason seriously needs to fire like 99% of their staff.
"...which suggests he has accomplished an impossible feat." Like Sullum posting something that isn't a lie?
Who gives this steaming pile of lying TDS-addled shit a place to publish his lies?
That asswipe needs to fuck off and die.
These people are alive without drugs not because of not having drugs. Worked for covid numbers right?
Scatalogical much? Sullum posted a good article. You have nothing but obscene insults like a typical social conservative.
If you don't think Trump should be murdering suspected drug smugglers then you're a leftist Marxist with TDS who wants people to die.
Poor sarc.
He cries so much about being correctly called a raging TDS Marxist.
He's right in this case.
What about supporting Capitol officers killing unarmed women in a blind shoot. You still support that right?
Don’t fear the revolt!
(insurrection)!
All our times have come
Here, but now they’re gone
Seasons don’t fear the revolt
Nor do the wind, the sun, or the rain
(We can be like they are)
Come on, baby
(Don’t fear the revolt)
Baby, take my hand
(Don’t fear the revolt)
We’ll be able to fly
Baby, I’m your man
La, la la, la la
La, la la, la la
Valentine is done
Here but now they’re gone
Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbs
Are together in eternity
(Horst Wessel and Ashli Babbitt)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel
Horst and Babbs both wanted to grab political power through violence, and got back, what they were dishing out. Karma is a bitch! Live by the sword, die by the sword!
Refute it, bitch!
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Horst yes, Babbs no. Libertarians give benefit of the doubt to the protestors, which Babbs was, rather than calling them insurrectionists.
Glad you got your one honest article per quarter out of the way yesterday Sullum. Back to raging TDS.
Can you imagine what a Reason Magazine convention in Vegas would be like? Although I doubt that anyone from Reason would go anywhere near the commentariat.
Ewh.... BIG STEP. Now Trump is a 'Murderer'... /s
But JUST Trump. All those other air-strikes were mostly peaceful.
"Democrats did it first. That makes it ok."
You supported it the last time a Democrat did it. Want your quote again?
Please post it.
So I had assumed Trump was just doing typical Trump hyperbole but Sullum coming out swinging like this makes me believe Trump was being 1000% factual. Sullum is so trustworthy on Trump I automatically believe everything he says is exactly backwards from reality.
MAGAs: Do you believe that the attacks on the boats saved 350,000 lives?
Of course they do, you’ll find none dumber than this little crew of prohib-lites.
Yours too.
I don’t know about that, but I wish it had ended yours.
That's not called for. Your death wish is typical of the evil of conservatism.
225K Americans died from fenty in 2021- 2023.
225K Americans died from Individual Liberty and horrible choices.
It has never been the American dream to sell-off Liberty for Safety.
with fentanyl, which is produced in Mexico
This is how you know Sullum works for the CCP.
Liar. If anyone works for the CPC, it's you for pushing authoritarianism.
Sullum needs help. He is mentally ill and breathtakingly stupid, which is a lethal combination when not carefully monitored.
No, actually Sullum is an excellent political writer. Your comment says a lot more about you than it does about Sullum.
Why do government officials always think blocking the supply will do the trick? It’s the demand that needs to be reduced. No demand, no cartels.
Offering rehab programs to addicts will not always work, but at least if the addicts who do want to quit can get into a program, that’s a major step forward.
Getting a narcotics addict into treatment almost always requires coercion.
Then let them stay addicted. If drugs were legalized, they'd be so cheap the addicts could support their habits on their paychecks.
During Vietnam War, 90+% pure heroin was available cheap on the unpoliced black market. A troop could support his habit on his paycheck, not have to steal, and still save money. But, when that addicted soldier came "back to the world" (back home) where the drugs are illegal therefore expensive, he would have a $100 - $500 a day habit in 1970s dollars.
If the drugs were legalized, drugs would be so cheap that addicts could support their habits on their paychecks.
Make it legal AFTER, socialist bullshit where we pay for other peoples' vices isn't forced. Until then, pink spray from drug dealer popping is a joyful experience, or make pink spray from drug users. Both are much better than supporting useless organisms who would have been weeded out by Darwinism ut of my hard work.
That's evil. That's murder which is a much greater evil than "socialist bullshit where we pay for other peoples' vices" which is, at worse, theft.
It should be legalized regardless. Prohibition is at least as bad as taxation.
If drugs were legalized, they'd be so cheap that addicts could support their habits on their paychecks. The drugs would be so cheap that it would be cheaper to give addicts "free" drugs than it costs paying law enforcement to prohibit the drugs.
Sullum displays his moral bankruptcy once again. Who cares how many lives OrAnGe mAn BaD says he saved. If it was just one it's worth it. What's your limit Sullum? Where is your line in the sand? What's your number of acceptable American fentanyl deaths? Allow me to help you. The number is ZERO.
Hope this helps.
Or just make it legal and let fentanyl eliminate the Darwinistic losers from our gene pool.
Nothing good works until we don't have to pay for other idiots mistakes and vices.
No, Sullum is eminently moral. No one is being forced to use the drugs. I'm sure the gun controllers would agree with you that even one gun death is unacceptable and justifies banning guns. Everything has risk. The people who died from drug overdoses voluntarily consented to the drugs. The people who were killed using guns did not voluntarily consent to the guns. You're on a real bad slippery slope here.
"The people who were killed using guns did not voluntarily consent to the guns."
Unless it was a suicide.
Acceptable? To whom? Just because one doesn't like it does not give one the right to initiate force to stop it. No one is being forced to use the drugs. The users knew the drugs were addictive before they ever used them. The number of acceptable deaths is the number that would occur if the drugs were legalized and no one is forced to use them. A death by overdose may be a tragedy, but it's not an evil. No one it forced to use the drugs.
Vietnam was a police action, bitch. Making pink spray out of drug boats makes me happy, like playing a video game.
If you want to make it legal, do it, legally, and collect taxes on the Darwin drug users, reducing my theft. Until then, pink spray is joyful soylent pink.
Killing, murder is a greater evil than theft. You're looking for an excuse to justify evil.
You already pay for drug prohibition with higher murder rates. Look up the homicide rates during and after alcohol prohibition. The homicide rates dropped almost 50% after prohibition ended in 1934. Drug prohibition murders. The drug prohibitionists are the real murderers.
Combined federal, state and local expenditures on drug prohibition are about $70 billion per year. Search terms - drug prohibition enforcement costs. If the drugs were legalized, drug prohibitionist theft from the taxpayers would be steeply reduced if not eliminated.
Evil is making you happy.
Ah yes, murder and the elimination of due process sprinkled with ridiculous propaganda solves everything.
These Reason commenters represent only the most intelligent and patriotic of our readers, lol.
Fucking pitiful.
Those Reason commenters tend to be conservatives who enjoy the liberal commenting policy at Reason. (Pun intended.)