SCOTUS Probably Won't Put Any New Limits on Warrantless Home Searches
The Supreme Court heard oral arguments this week about the "emergency aid exception" to the Fourth Amendment.

The Fourth Amendment protects "the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures." When it comes to a person's home, that generally means that the police may not enter without a warrant.
But what if there might be an emergency occurring inside the home? Yesterday, the U.S. Supreme Court heard oral arguments in a far-reaching case that centers on what is called the "emergency aid exception" to the Fourth Amendment.
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This case, known as Case v. Montana, presented the following question to the justices: "whether law enforcement may enter a home without a search warrant based on less than probable cause that an emergency is occurring, or whether the emergency-aid exception requires probable cause." In other words, should the actions of the police be governed by the stricter standard of probable cause or by the more lenient standard of reasonable suspicion? How much leeway should the cops get?
Judging by the tenor of yesterday's oral arguments, a majority of the Supreme Court seemed uncomfortable with the idea of imposing the stricter probable cause standard on the police in potential emergency cases. If that view ultimately carries the day, it would be unwelcome news for Fourth Amendment advocates, who would like to see the actions of the police controlled by the stricter standard.
At the same time, however, a majority of the Supreme Court also seemed uncomfortable with the idea of allowing the more lenient reasonable suspicion standard to win, which would be welcome news for Fourth Amendment advocates.
A third possible outcome also emerged during the arguments.
Multiple justices pointed to the Supreme Court's 2005 ruling in Brigham City v. Stuart, which said that "police may enter a home without a warrant when they have an objectively reasonable basis for believing that an occupant is seriously injured or imminently threatened with such injury." Those justices suggested that the "objectively reasonable basis" standard is actually the one that the police should have to follow in all such possible emergency situations, and that the present case should be remanded back down to the Montana Supreme Court, which should be told to go back to the drawing board and follow that ruling too.
Of course, if the Supreme Court does adopt this anticlimactic third approach, it risks raising many more questions than it answers. For example, is having an "objectively reasonable basis for believing" that an emergency is occurring the same thing as having probable cause to believe that an emergency is occurring? Or is it the same thing as having reasonable suspicion to believe that an emergency is occurring? Or does the Brigham City test perhaps represent some kind of intermediate standard that falls somewhere between probable cause and reasonable suspicion?
Even if the Supreme Court does decide to effectively punt on this case, the Fourth Amendment questions arising from the "emergency aid exception" are not going away.
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Too many nanny state boomers demanding this 4A exception. It will be a foray into 4A.
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You're nuts dude.
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As your batshit crazy website notes, other company sell similar things without the need for a prescription. Probably because they didn't seek clearance as medical devices.
FDA didn't make anyone do anything.
SSqrlsy prefers the skin flute.
"...medical device for the collection of sputum samples."
Wrong! Main purpose is to clear out unwanted phlegm! I bought one and it didn't work for shit, and I have to get a fucking PRESCRIPTION for it! The USA is the ONLY nation on the planet where you need a doctor's permission to blow on a cheap plastic flute! FDA made USA residents (ALONE on the whole planet!) get permission to blow on a cheap plastic flute! North Korea has MORE cheap plastic flute freedoms that we do!!! This stinks to the highest heavens, that we are treated like stupid babies, by our Government Almighty, while sending our soldiers overseas to "fight for their freedoms", when they have more freedoms that we do, in many cases!
I can see their point. We do, mostly, want the police to intervene in emergency cases - very obviously so if you're being attacked, but in general even if you're in danger or hurting yourself. And, I suppose, if they've done so, and see evidence in clear view of a crime, they should be able to use it.
Countering that, the courts in general have been extremely favorable towards pretextual stops, when it comes to cars. And it's not a stretch to assume that if they allow this emergency entrance, we'll start seeing more pretextual emergencies.
To me, at least, the obvious answer is to back off on allowing these pretexts, but that's both a large body of cases to overturn, as well as presenting multiple difficulties in figuring out which excuses were real and which were pretexts.
Getting rid of victimless crimes, "paperwork crimes", and over-regulation would go a long, long, LONG way towards cleaning up this mess!
Can you imagine? In a parallel, impossible, butt VERY nice world, the SCROTUS would rule, "The cops are allowed to invade your home to help you and to prevent death and suffering, without a warrant, butt they MUST ignore ALL evidence that they see, of bullshit, petty, silly, and stupid law violations!"
The cops waited outside the home for 40 minutes before deciding it was an emergency.
Why Damon Root doesn't mention this, I do not know.
See? This is how semi-totalitarians seek to preserve that line-on-the-ground fairyland of politics wherein only the most devoted Hitlerites and Stalinists serve as the standard of integrity. Between these extremes of leftanrite, wafflers with no integrity may mix some communist realism with christian nationalsocialism for a kinder, gentler version of collectivist totalitarianism that might worm them into a different box--if they understood the Nolan Chart. By masking with Kluxlike whitecaps, this one sidesteps the possibility that someone might volunteer to give it a good Swatting by way of practical example and demonstration of flawed principles.
With the exception of "if you're being attacked" (i.e. violent emergency cases) no. No, we don't want police to intervene in emergency cases. Police are a hammer and they see every emergency case as a nail. And, they have no obligation to intervene even in violent emergencies.
Firefighters or paramedics are better suited to respond to non-violent emergencies. After all, amongst their primary duties it life-saving. Police, on the other hand, have no general life-saving duty; their primary duty is the investigation and apprehension of criminals.
No, barring a specific search warrant, they should not be able to use any incriminating evidence found during a warrantless "emergency" entrance. Such "fishing" for a crime is unjust and immoral.
I am certainly willing to allow a Good Samaritan immunity for trespassing for rescue, with limited liability for damages incurred during the trespass (ie immunity from liability for reasonable damages, but full liability for any damages that were not reasonable or necessary to facilitate the rescue). But such rescue incursions should never be construed to allow collecting evidence for criminal prosecution, especially if there was no prior probable cause to suspect the rescue victim of any particular crime(s).
the courts in general have been extremely favorable towards pretextual stops, when it comes to cars.
Cars - or blacks?
Taking those decisions out of the hands of courts/judges where legal/constitutional protections exist - and into the mind of cops who have virtually zero training, zero impulse control, near zero accountability, zero federal (see constitution, rights of a US citizen, etc) standards re interpreting anything, no training for emergencies beyond how to fire a gun with emphasis on individual discretion re use of force, and significant training re how to fish for evidence and 'make it legal' is almost exactly the way one would eliminate the 4A. Which is probably what the Supremes is interested in doing.
I have a naive fantasy that all aspects and participants in law enforcement would be judged after the fact, rather than try to predetermine what actions should be allowed or prohibited. So if cops break down your door and there is no crime or "emergency" then they face prosecution.
Similarly, if cops commit illegal actions to obtain evidence that shows criminal actions, then punish the cops AND the criminal.
NAL, so I may be missing something, but isn’t the real issue not whether police can enter a location with less than probable cause to investigate a potentially dangerous situation, but whether police can use evidence discovered during the entry?
If that’s the case, why not two standards? A lower standard to justify entry and a higher standard to use evidence?
Exactly. While wearing your 'first responder' hat, enter the house and render aid. The only restriction is that that's all you can do. See something while you're in the house rendering aid? Sorry, can't use it. For that, you need to come back while wearing your 'law enforcement' hat (and a warrant).
This is the law on the books already? If they enter the home under a warrant only what is in the warrant can be charged.
If they come to arrest a Jan 6th trespasser at 4 am kicking down the door with or without a warrant they can't charge for the pile of unregistered guns in the corner of the room because they are not in a safe.
Actually this is not accurate. If the cops come in with a warrant and therefore have a right to be there; anything they see that is in plain-view and immediately obvious as contraband can be seized.
So in the example of the Jan 6 trespasser; if they were a felon and known to police to be a felon and there is a pile of guns in the corner of the living room or next to the door the cops entered, the police could seize them and charge X counts of felon in possession firearm.
The problem is - police have virtually zero training re how to respond to an emergency situation unless it involves using a firearm, collecting evidence, etc.
US police training is extremely limited anyway - 21 weeks v 2-4 years everywhere else. And far more time is spent with firearms training (71 hours) than in communication (10 hours), de-escalation techniques (21 hours), crisis intervention (6 hours), interpreting the constitution using federal standards (0 hours), etc.
I agree with the idea of differing standards but the reality is - police have less skill than a highly armed and jittery chihuahua protected by a union. It's not like we will sacrifice the 4A on the altar of a knowledgeable tyrant.
So every misdemeanor domestic battery/violence call is carte blanche for the police to kick in the door and enter??
And when there is a false call or really just two people arguing (say an apartment neighbor calls to report a possible domestic)... presumably some type of good faith exception would apply when in fact nobody is injured but the cops see something in plain view and arrest an occupant for the unrelated crime??
The 4th amendment has been slowly dying the death of a thousand cuts... what's a few more?
Girl-bullying husband beats wife. She calls 911 and the cops grab and turn the Republican Hero over to ICE for deportation. THEN she recants, changes her mind, and too late asks a judge to make the whole thing go away. This is a major source of deportation fodder. Girl-bulliers-regardless of mystical origin, are not gonna get any sympathy from me. Them telling similar jerks back home that bullying chicks gets you deported can hardly be a bad thing.
I would re-read Payton v New York. And my 4th amendment concerns have nothing to do with immigrants.
Every single time the Court whittles away at the 4th amendment, the police abuse it. Then we get these edge cases where there are sympathetic reasons to want the cops to be able to enter but like this very case (the cops waited outside 40minutes? some emergency) the emergencies aren't actual emergencies. Then we are all quibbling over the severity of the emergency etc... the cops already have exigent circumstances exceptions. If there is an exigency that admits of no delay and there isn't time to get a warrant...the cops can act.
Notice that exigent circumstances doesn't work when the cops have 40min to sit around and discuss options (as it requires immediacy) so instead they want a new exception. The end result is a 4th amend made of swiss cheese with holes big enough to drive a SWAT truck through.
The police will continue breaking down doors without a warrant or reasonable suspicion regardless of what the courts decide, because they know there is virtually no chance they will be prosecuted for violating citizens' rights.
Exactly. Cops do whatever they want because who'd going to stop them, the cops?
For the third time:
They'll err on the side of least harm. No way the exigency exception gets taken away.
Yes, there is potential for abuse by law enforcement. It's an acceptable risk. And there's already remedy for that kind of abuse. If you think they're going to legitimize the ludicrously overcautious "emergency response" that occurred in Uvalde, Texas, you're smoking crack.
Look, dither about terminology all you want, but at the end of the day there is and always will be a 4A exception for 1) immediate threat to safety (they hear screaming, they see fire, trapped in wreckage, etc), 2) imminent destruction of evidence (they see you flushing drugs, nuking hard drives, etc), and 3) hot pursuit.
These are not situations where there's any real questions such as "Well gosh, is that an actual fire or do I just suspect there's a fire?" that requires hair-splitting between objective and subjective. These situations may seem complex and nuanced in an academic setting, but in real life when bad things are happening - it's pretty obvious when there's a need to kick in the door.
Now, is that open to abuse? Yes. And that's unfortunate. Maybe it can be mitigated with advancements in tech later down the line, the same way DNA can be used to exonerate in ways that it couldn't a few decades ago. I don't know (but if you want to give the LOLertarians around here nightmares tonight, go google "Camero" or "Soli sensor"). But as far as the right now is concerned, the Courts have consistently held that A) the interests of justice and public safety in exigent circumstances outweigh the potential for abuse; and B) those caught exercising said abuses can and should be held accountable for them.
What more do you want?
To Altruist Totalitarian, cops kicking in the door, shooting the dog and everyone inside with a grenade tossed into the baby crib for good measure is PRECISELY the path of least harm--to totalitarians.
Obviously exigent circumstances didn't exist in this case otherwise it would have resolved the matter at the trial court level. And no, waiting around for 40min deciding what to do is not 'exigency' as that requires immediacy. So now they want an additional erosion of the 4th amend not covered by the previous exception.
Your desire for the State to have more warrantless authority to enter people's homes is noted; and rejected. If you don't like the constitution or the reasons why the founders chose to protect people from their governments, I believe there are repressive countries more suitable to your tastes. Please find one promptly and GTFO. The boots you long to lick can only get so clean.
Getting back to the probably in the title. As soon as the odds get up to ten thousand to one I'll put five dollars on the Reason Betting App saying the Trumpanzee Court will restrain its Gestapo. On May 18, 1931 Taft-era prosecutor Wickersham asked President Hoover to grant immunity for any and all cops who kill people under color of law. THAT became the stay-bought stare decisis until digital video recordings made cruel and unusual clearly visible. Spoiler votes causing the worst looters to LOSE elections is a tried and true lever for change.