Is the Supreme Court's Shadow Docket Causing a 'Judicial Crisis'?
Multiple judges say SCOTUS is going out of its way to grant emergency relief to the president without even bothering to explain why.
The New York Times published a big story over the past weekend featuring anonymous quotes from multiple federal judges who are worried about how the U.S. Supreme Court is seemingly going out of its way to grant emergency relief to President Donald Trump without even bothering to clearly explain why. According to one unnamed federal judge, the Court's behavior has been "a slap in the face to the district courts." According to another, SCOTUS is now creating a "judicial crisis."
Should we be worried?
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Trump has undoubtedly been on a winning streak of late before the Supreme Court in emergency cases in which he receives the Court's permission to promptly carry out a controversial executive action while the litigation challenging that action slowly moves forward in the lower courts.
Why does Trump keep winning these preliminary emergency requests before SCOTUS? Unfortunately, we do not always know why because the Court does not always say why. Many of these emergency orders—which critics often call the shadow docket—are issued without an accompanying opinion that explains the Supreme Court's thinking.
This lack of clear rationale or guidance from the High Court has left the lower courts guessing, and that uncertainty is a contributing factor to the anonymous judicial frustration that is now spilling out into the press. As The New York Times put it, "more than three dozen federal judges have told The New York Times that the Supreme Court's flurry of brief, opaque emergency orders in cases related to the Trump administration have left them confused about how to proceed in those matters and are hurting the judiciary's image with the public."
Moreover, according to the same Times article, it is not just liberal judges doing the complaining:
Forty-two judges went so far as to say that the Supreme Court's emergency orders had caused "some" or "major" harm to the public's perception of the judiciary. Among those who responded to the question, nearly half of the Republican-nominated judges said they believed the orders had harmed the judiciary's standing in the public eye.
Whenever the Trump administration asks the Supreme Court to issue this sort of emergency order in its favor, the justices are basically forced to grapple with the following questions: Is it better in a particular case to let the president carry out his contested agenda right away? Or is it better in a particular case to keep the president's contested agenda on a temporary pause while the courts—after full briefing and arguments, including oral arguments before SCOTUS—have determined that the agenda does in fact pass constitutional or statutory muster?
The Supreme Court's current majority does seem to think that it is generally better to let Trump's agenda speed ahead. But even if that pro-executive approach is the correct one—which is a pretty big if—the majority is not doing itself any favors by keeping its pro-executive reasoning to itself.
If there is a judicial crisis underway, the murky actions of the Supreme Court are not helping the situation.
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Forty-two judges went so far as to say that the Supreme Court's emergency orders had caused "some" or "major" harm to the public's perception of the judiciary
And after decades of the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals working so hard to gain the people’s respect and support. A real shame.
It is never the fault of the activist judges.
Like these 42 judges.
Too many of those who criticize the critics of SCOTUS justices presume or pretend that we the people should merely (blindly) revere SCOTUS justices like high priests of some arcane religion that is beyond the grasp of our simple minds. Those people advocate the opposite of the command of the First Amendment that the U.S. government must not attempt or purport to accomplish an "establishment of religion."
As SCOTUS emphasized in Landmark Commc’ns, Inc. v. Virginia, 435 U.S. 829 (1978), “the law” (including the First, Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments) “gives judges as persons, or courts as institutions” absolutely “no greater immunity from” our “criticism” (or our Constitution) “than other persons or institutions.” It is anti-constitutional “to protect the court as a mystical entity” or “judges as individuals or as anointed priests set apart from the community and spared the criticism to which” all “other public servants are exposed.”
Speaking of the first justice (James Wilson) and first chief justice (John Jay) and criticism of SCOTUS justices' conduct, contentions and opinions, the opinions of Chief Justice Jay and Justice Wilson in Chisholm v. Georgia should always be borne in mind. They explained how the text and structure of our Constitution secured the sovereignty of the people over all our public servants.
The dissenting opinion of Justices Souter, Stevens, Ginsburg and Breyer in Alden v. Maine, 527 U.S. 706 (1999) (discussing the insights offered by three framers of the Constitution in Chisholm v. Georgia) was highly insightful. They all emphasized the sovereignty of the people, which necessarily includes our right and power to criticize and propose improvements on the manner in which our public servants purport to perform their public service.
Multiple current SCOTUS justices in District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008) emphasized a related point that all justices always should bear in mind: "In interpreting [our Constitution's] text," we must bear in mind the crucial fact that "[t]he Constitution was written to be understood by the voters; its words and phrases were used in their normal and ordinary as distinguished from technical meaning." That statement (repeated by generations of SCOTUS justices) underscores a crucial truth about our Constitution and our power and duty to read and think about it for ourselves.
For years (from at least 1787 to 1791), many enlightened Americans studied and discussed the meaning of the text, structure and purpose of our written Constitution (documenting the constitution of one nation of one people) without the benefit of much, if any, insight from any SCOTUS justice. Our Constitution was written, discussed thoroughly and ratified by the people throughout the nation long before any federal judge was appointed. Also without the benefit of any insight by any federal judge, the first 10 amendments (commonly called our Bill of Rights) were discussed by the people, written by Congress and ratified by the states.
The people have every right and reason to think for ourselves and speak about how current SCOTUS justices are violating their oaths of office and our Constitution.
The scotus rulings rebuke and are criticisms of lower court activist judges. Should those activist judges be revered as high priests?
Chumby, no judge should be revered as any kind of priest. They all are public servants, and they all are bound to support and defend our Constitution.
One of the primary constitutional duties of every judge is to state the governing legal authorities and apply such authorities to the material facts. See my comment below quoting Marbury v. Madison. SCOTUS justices are now knowingly violating their oaths and our Constitution. They have criticized lower court judges for doing the same (i.e., failing to state the governing legal authorities and apply such authorities to the material facts). For example, Justice Gorsuch emphasized: "Mere deference to [other] decisions risks relegating courts to the status of potted plants, inconsistent with their duty to say what the [governing] law is in the cases that come before them." Turkiye Halk Bankasi A.S. v. United States, 598 U.S. 264 (2023) (Gorsuch, Alito, JJ., concurring, dissenting).
"Chumby, no judge should be revered as any kind of priest. They all are public servants, and they all are bound to support and defend our Constitution."
And, unfortunately, there are TDS-addled shit judge-shopping to find an appelate court which will rule against Trump, because, they, too are TDS-addled shits.
Fortunately, SCOTUS is giving them a well-deserved bitch-slap
Then tell Sullum et. al. to stop ejaculating over activist judge rulings that later get overturned by scotus. Understanding that scotus is the highest court in the land ≠ revering them as high priests.
Chumby, relying too much on the contention that "scotus is the highest court in the land" is unconstitutional and even anti-constitutional. That is essentially an unconstitutional establishment of religion with SCOTUS justices as little (if anything) better than high priests.
As Article III emphasizes, all federal "judicial Power shall extend" only as far as permitted "under [our] Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties." As Article VI emphasizes, "the supreme Law of the Land" consists of the paramount law, i.e., our "Constitution" and then "the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance" of our Constitution "and all Treaties" and all "Judges in every State [are] bound thereby."
The current SCOTUS majority repeatedly has emphasized that the mere fact that a majority of SCOTUS justices decided to do something definitely did not (and does not) make their conduct constitutional. See also my comment quoting Marbury v. Madison.
Wow. This is one of the dumbest things I've ever read here.
Jesse, don't just be a hater. Say something substantive to show us what you think and what legal authority supports your opinion.
But, Jack, it's just so easy to hate yet one more steaming pile of TDS-addled shit.
Scotus has the legal authority to overturn rulings from activist judges. They are exercising that authority.
Article III states that the judges in the courts other than SCOTUS are "inferior" to SCOTUS justices. By inferior all lower courts are inferior to SCOTUS. Congress created the structure of the inferior courts & the number of judges. Congress also set the number of associate justices.
Unfortunately there is a tendency of inferior court judges who disagree with SCOTUS majority opinions to deliberately ignore SCOTUS's directions.
The legal authority is the constitution. Goddamn man.
Chumby, below you said "Scotus has the legal authority to overturn rulings from activist judges. They are exercising that authority." Nothing anywhere says that SCOTUS justices have any "authority to overturn rulings from activist judges."
SCOTUS justices' duty is to support our Constitution. That's what Article VI says, as well as both their oaths of office (5 U.S.C. 3331 and 28 U.S.C. 453). Nothing did or could grant SCOTUS justices any power or authority to violate our Constitution even if their pretend justification is "to overturn rulings from activist judges."
Correct, Article III does not explicitly provide for judicial review. Scotus has exercised that function since 1803 (Marbury v. Madison). Congress had had over 200 years to pass legislation to address that if they felt that practice was unacceptable. Write your congressional delegation.
Scotus has done this and is doing this. Looks a lot like they have the authority.
Chumbly, it's clearly incorrect that "Article III does not explicitly provide for judicial review."
Article III expressly emphasized that "judicial Power shall" (not merely may) "extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties" and "to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party." Clearly, Congress doesn't need to pass legislation saying the same thing. That's the point of including this command in our Constitution.
The foregoing command clearly governs the conduct of all federal judges, not merely SCOTUS. It makes no sense to pretend or presume otherwise.
Congress already enacted the necessary legislation. As Article II emphasized, "Congress may from time to time ordain and establish" any "inferior Courts." Congress has done so. And Article VI emphasized that absolutely "all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of [all] States, [are] bound" to "support [our] Constitution" every day in all official conduct.
Damon, so you agree they do have the authority? Thanks. Other than the outcome, where is your issue?
Doubles down on his own strawman as an argument. Good work Damon.
Jesse, what straw man argument are you referring to? Say something substantive instead of relying on vague conclusory contentions.
It’s kind of what he does.
Chumby, you asked, "Other than the outcome, where is your issue?" I've said repeatedly (including in my comments quoting Alexander Hamilton and multiple SCOTUS justices in Marbury v. Madison, Etting v. U.S. Bank, Bank Markazi v. Peterson, and Turkiye Halk Bankasi A.S. v. United States).
You're also wrong that I have an issue with the mere "outcome." I don't. I have an issue with any public servant violating our Constitution and their oath to support our Constitution. It's that simple.
So your entire thesis is based on a strawman argument. Got it.
Who is saying we should revere the SCOTUS?
Meanwhile you've intentionally ignored the legal issues of the activist judges you seek to defend with gish gallop.
The judges have been wrong on the law. And many have even admitted to it by adding new conditions not in the laws they claim yo be interpreting.
By the way Damon, you make it too obvious when you run in with socks to defend yourself.
Even your article is one of ignoring the legal or constitutional construction and arguing from those abusing the law for activist means. It is hilarious.
Jesse, what do you think the term "activist judge" actually means? What words did I write that support your contention that I'm defending any activist judge? I'm stating standards in our Constitution or in SCOTUS opinions construing our Constitution.
You are implying we should revere SCOTUS justices merely because they rule they way you want. Their duty (as I've shown by quoting multiple opinions of SCOTUS justices) is to state the governing law and explain what it means. SCOTUS justices are failing to do so. They are knowingly violating their oaths and our Constitution.
If you are correct that "The judges have been wrong on the law," then SCOTUS justices must show how. That's the issue here, and nothing you've written or implied refutes the duty of SCOTUS justices to prove (by publishing opinions) that they are supporting our Constitution, not violating it.
Nobody here is claiming we should revere SCOTUS. Really don't get your point but I assume you're claiming that the Court is acting unconstitutionally in the context of the shadow docket by not stating the controlling legal reasoning when staying a lower court order. Considering the fact that there are hundreds of lawsuits filed in at least dozens of courts against the executive it could take decades for these cases to wind their way through the lower courts. That would certainly benefit the plaintiffs but it wouldn't benefit the citizenry. If the Supreme Court stays a lower court order it's pretty obvious that a majority believe that the administration is likely to prevail on the merits. All of this hand wringing strikes me as silly.
I think Damon has two motives here.
Yes, the heckler’s veto approach whereby scotus taking more time to craft supporting arguments when overturning activist judge rulings means fewer activist judge cases being overturned.
Secondly, he writes about legal matters and it would provide more content for his vocation.
Gaear Grimsrud, I'm not sure whether you're missing or willfully ignoring the point of precedent. The point of precedent (binding legal authority) is that when a majority of SCOTUS justices correctly state and correctly apply controlling legal authorities to the material facts, lower court judges are bound thereby. So the easiest way to clear the lower court dockets of the cases you're talking about should be for SCOTUS justices to correctly state and correctly apply controlling legal authorities to the material facts. Super simple (and clearly constitutional).
Your assumption that "If the Supreme Court stays a lower court order it's pretty obvious that a majority believe that the administration is likely to prevail on the merits" is why SCOTUS justices must explain what they're doing. If a majority of justices truly have judged the merits and they truly did judge that the executive branch is not violating our Constitution, they should have no problem justifying their judgment.
Federal judges hiding behind silence (or mere conclusory contentions) violates our Constitution (as actually or nearly every SCOTUS justice this century has emphasized in their own opinions). Federal judges failing to state the controlling legal authorities and apply them to the material facts violates our Constitution. Actually or nearly every SCOTUS justice this century has emphasized that particular principle in their own opinions.
There is no text in the constitution that directs the judiciary to do any of the things you claim they are violating.
See.More, read my quotations from the opinions of SCOTUS justices in Marbury v. Madison, Bank Markazi v. Peterson and Turkiye Halk Bankasi A.S. v. United States. SCOTUS justices, themselves, said this is the meaning of the text of our Constitution.
Your opinion and accusation is SCOTUS are violating their oaths, the constitution and are failing to provide the reasoning behind their judgements.
First off this is your opinion.
Secondly you jumped on the bandwagon of "anonymous" complainants. Why are they anonymous? If they had any ground to stand on they would present themselves accordingly.
Where is the rule or the law that states SCOTUS must present the reasoning for their decisions in any and all cases they have on the docket? And who, what entity, would enforce this rule or law and what is the punishment for breaking the rule or law?
Neutral, read my quotations from the opinions of SCOTUS justices in Marbury v. Madison, Bank Markazi v. Peterson and Turkiye Halk Bankasi A.S. v. United States. SCOTUS justices, themselves, said this is the meaning of the text of our Constitution. Federal judges were not empowered to be dictators or priests. They were empowered and required by our Constitution to say (expressly) what the governing legal authorities are and apply them to the material facts. It's that simple. Nobody (here or elsewhere) showed any controlling authority to the contrary.
You clearly misrepresented that I "jumped on the bandwagon of 'anonymous' complainants." I've repeatedly stated the legal principles stated by SCOTUS justices in their own opinions (published under their own names) about the meaning of Article III.
I only hope that the logic of SCOTUS is to let Trump's policies crash and burn his administration to add legitimacy to their eventual curtailing of his power grabs rather than being complicit in
Dr. EvilStephen Miller, Vought and Trump's goal of a Trumpus Caesar.I am a cynical pessimist though, and my only comfort is having partisan authoritarians call me a TDS-addled lefty shitpile on a putative libertarian website.
Multiple activist judges complaining scotus not carrying the water nor holding the hand of activist judges?
These activist judges' activism is to maintain the constitution and balance of power in the face of the imperial presidency.
They are currently our only hope of maintaining a republic, but only so long as the Supreme Court doesn't let Trump grab them by the pussies like congress does.
...by ignoring SCOTUS precedent?
These judges are the fascists.
The judges (and others) criticizing the current conduct of SCOTUS justices are not ignoring precedent. They are seeking to have SCOTUS justices adhere to the justices' own statements about the meaning of our Constitution.
Some of the most important principles in our Constitution were addressed by Chief Justice John Marshall in 1803 in Marbury v. Madison, and every SCOTUS justice is well aware of these principles. The duty of federal judges is not merely act like dictators by merely dictating consequences. Their duty is to teach. That's the very reason that very many SCOTUS justices over the past 100 years have re-emphasized the emphasis by Chief Justice Marshall and SCOTUS in Marbury regarding this crucial duty of all federal judges: "It is emphatically" the "duty of the judicial department to say what the law is. Those who apply the rule to particular cases, must of necessity expound and interpret that rule." Judges' duty is to expressly state the governing law and explain what it means.
The reasons for such rule are crucial. As Chief Justice Marshall and SCOTUS subsequently emphasized, each “Judge” is “required to declare the law” because if he “states it erroneously, his opinion” must “be revised; and if it can have had any influence on the” judgment, it must “be set aside.” Etting v. U.S. Bank, 24 U.S. (11 Wheat.) 59, 75 (1826) (Marshall, C.J.).
As many current SCOTUS justices emphasized in Bank Markazi v. Peterson, 578 U.S. 212 (2016), “Article III of the Constitution establishe[d]” a “Judiciary” that must be “independent” of all except the law, so the judiciary was assigned the constitutional “duty to say what the [governing] law is” in “particular cases and controversies;” judges “who apply [a] rule to particular cases, must of necessity expound and interpret that rule.”
Gee, a brand new TDS-addled pile of slimy lying shit!
Sevo, you must be one of the most TDS-addled commenters I've ever seen. I've never seen you write anything that couldn't have been written by an angry inebriated drunk who blasts anger, profanity and ad hominem attacks instead of sharing any semblance of substantive thought.
"Sevo, you must be one of the most TDS-addled commenters I've ever seen..."
Strange you've never shown up here before. Are you lying? A sock? or just one more TDS-addled steaming pile of shit attempting to justify your TDS and projecting it on others?
Why, yes, all three might be appropriate.
Fuck off and die; I'm as tired of that bullshit as SCOTUS is of petty-foggery asking or 'serious consideration'.
Sevo, you're only proving my point: I've never seen you write anything that couldn't have been written by an angry inebriated drunk blasting hate, profanity and ad hominem attacks instead of sharing any semblance of substantive thought.
Jack, thank you for proving my point.
I've never seen you post anything which couldn't have been written by a steaming pile of TDS-addled lying shit.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Looks like Damon defending his thesis.
Its Damon. He did this same thing last time we laughed at him. Maybe Damons akita.
I would suggest that the lower court judges claiming that SCOTUS is creating some kind of judicial crisis are mostly pissed off because their little fiefdoms are on shaky ground. In fact the quotes are saying precisely that. The Supremes in their view are supposed to have their backs no matter what dumb shit they pull out of their asses. We had a district court judge last week give an unsuccessful assassin a light sentence because somewhere between his arrest and trial he decided he was transgender. She was determined that this guy serve his sentence in a women's prison. Please explain the precedent and constitutional basis for that decision.
Jack, you are confusing merits with preliminary injunctions. The functions you say SCOTUS should be doing are all merits decision functions. These reversals of district judges have all been at the preliminary injunction stage. Preliminary injunctions are held to a very different legal standard and it's not SCOTUS that's ignoring the precedents for preliminary injunctions.
Rossami, no controlling legal authority makes (or supports) the distinction you made between purported "merits" decisions and decisions reversing "preliminary injunctions." Every judicial decision must have legal merit--every judicial decision must be consistent with (and state and apply) the controlling legal authority. There are no exceptions and there can be no rational justification for any exception. That's what the SCOTUS justices' opinions that I quoted emphasized--because it was required by Article III.
As Alexander Hamilton emphasized in The Federalist No. 81, there is a particular principle governing the grant of jurisdiction to any court: the word "jurisdiction" is "composed of JUS and DICTIO, juris dictio or a speaking and pronouncing of the law." That's why many opinions by a legion of SCOTUS justices have emphasized the duty of federal courts to say what the governing law is and apply it to the material facts.
That's a lot of words to demonstrate that you don't understand what preliminary injunctions are.
If you insist on going back to constitutional first principles, there aren't any provisions for preliminary injunctions at all. The constitutional hypothesis was that courts would get to the merits in a timely-enough manner that no "preliminary" anything would be necessary.
As a practical matter, that hasn't been the case for quite a while so the we established the option for a preliminary injunction but it has quite specific statutory and court-created requirements. Most importantly, the expectation is that such injunctions will be rare and generally only for irreversible harms that would otherwise adversely affect the court's ability to do it's job.
Rossami, you're missing (or ignoring) the principles underlying our Constitution. It was not meant to be (and doesn't need to be) prolix like a code. The principles in Article III plainly govern all judicial conduct in "all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties" and all "Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party." You (and SCOTUS justices) cannot escape the meaning and consequences of court jurisdiction by presuming or pretending that our Constitution doesn't govern adjudications of issues that didn't exist in 1788. That makes no sense at all.
The judiciary clearly was created as a separate branch not merely to contradict legislative or executive branch employees, but to adjudicate cases and controversies. Multiple authorities (including many opinions by many SCOTUS justices citing or quoting Marbury v. Madison) explained that judges adjudicating must say what the controlling law is and explain how it governs the material facts. That is the duty of judges, and it is essential to a government that complies with the Constitution instead of violating it. As Chief Justice Marshall (and SCOTUS) emphasized in Marbury, "the constitution is to be considered, in court, as a paramount law," so courts cannot "close their eyes on the constitution, and see only the law" that purports (or is construed) to contradict our Constitution. Any purported "doctrine" to the contrary "would subvert the very foundation of all written constitutions. It would declare that an act, which, according to the principles and theory of our government, is entirely void; is yet, in practice, completely obligatory." It "thus reduces to nothing what we have deemed the greatest improvement on political institutions—a written constitution."
“Certainly all those who have framed written constitutions contemplate them as forming the fundamental and paramount law of the nation, and consequently the theory of every such government must be, that an act of [any] legislature" (ANY act of ANY public servant) "repugnant to the constitution, is void.”
Nice rant, bro.
Nice rebuttal, yo.
Exactly as deserved, asshole.
These activist judges are the ones acting in an imperial manner. It is they who have often overreached their authority and made rulings that they have no right to make and needed to be overturned. At least one of these judges went so off the rails that SCOTUS needed to overturn him twice and another needed to be told he didn't even have jurisdiction.
CountmontyC, if you were or are correct, it should be very easy for SCOTUS justices to explain how lower court judges violated the law. SCOTUS justices simply have no legitimate excuse for failing to explain why they did what they did. Actually or virtually every SCOTUS justice who sat on SCOTUS this century has emphasized the same principle in opinions they authored or joined. See, e.g., my comment above quoting Marbury v. Madison.
If the SCOTUS justices went into the detail you and yours want you and yours would demand that those same justices recuse themselves when the case finally worked it's way to the SCOTUS.
The POTUS should not have his policies stalled nationwide by a mere district judge and until there have been full court hearings and appeals there should be presumption in favor of a POTUS's policies being in effect.
CountmontyC, you're trying to justify SCOTUS justices' violations of our Constitution (according to their own statements about the duty of all federal judges) with your mere speculation that they'll merely be criticized for their opinions. How does your own argument make sense? Public servants' fear of criticism just isn't a justification for violating our Constitution.
You argue that "POTUS should not have his policies stalled nationwide by a mere district judge," but that's the duty of judges: to support and defend our Constitution by determining whether POTUS is violating our Constitution. James Madison explained this principle after he had served as one of the foremost leaders of the movement to have our original Constitution and Bill of Rights written and ratified.
To oppose the misconduct of the President, Congress, SCOTUS Justice Chase and other federal judges by making and purporting to enforce the Sedition Act of 1798, Madison emphasized the enduring need to remind our public servants of first principles established by our Constitution. Madison publicly accused the foregoing purported public servants of "reproachful inconsistency, and [even] criminal degeneracy."
Madison emphasized that we must consider exercises of power by our public servants “with a reverence for our constitution, in the true character in which it issued from the sovereign authority of the people.”
"[A] frequent recurrence to fundamental principles [in our constitutions] is solemnly enjoined by most of the state constitutions, and particularly by our own [Constitution], as a necessary safeguard against the danger of degeneracy to which republics are liable . . . . The authority of constitutions over governments, and of the sovereignty of the people over constitutions, are truths which are at all times necessary to be kept in mind; and at no time perhaps more necessary than at the present."
“The essential difference between the British government, and the American constitutions, will place this subject in the clearest light.” In Britain, the legislature (Parliament) was and is sovereign and the people were and are mere subjects.
"In the United States, the case is altogether different. The people, not the government, possess the absolute sovereignty. The legislature, no less than the executive, is under limitations of power. Encroachments are regarded as possible from the one, as well as from the other. Hence in the United States, the great and essential rights of the people are secured against legislative, as well as against executive [and judicial] ambition. They are secured, not [only] by laws paramount to prerogative; but [even more strongly] by constitutions paramount to laws."
Sorry but judges are not in place to create the policy, that is for POTUS.
The border is under federal jurisdiction and so is immigration policy.
Biden and the democrats illegally opened the border and made America unsafe. Where were the courts shutting down this action and ensuring POTUS enforced the laws on the books?
When did congress authorize the spending on housing, food, clothing, education, health care for the millions of illegals that Biden and the democrats allowed to enter the US?
Neutral, don't be "Sorry" that "judges are not in place to create the policy." I never said or implied that was the purpose of any judge.
It's also not "for POTUS" to "create [any] policy" that violates our Constitution. No such policy could possibly be lawful. That's the principle behind Article VI ("all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of [all] States" are "bound" to "support this Constitution") and even more specifically the principle behind Article II (imposing on POTUS the constant duty to "faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States," i.e., "to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States").
POTUS must fulfill his oath, and judges must fulfill their oaths to ensure that POTUS is not violating our Constitution. You say the national "border is under federal jurisdiction and so is immigration policy." Of course it is. More specifically, Article I delegated the power and duty to Congress to "make all Laws" that are "necessary and proper for carrying into Execution" absolutely "all [the] Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof" (including regarding our national borders and national immigration).
Article I emphasizes that Congress may and must make all laws that are necessary and proper. Article II emphasizes that POTUS "shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." Clearly, our Constitution required that, in general, Congress (not POTUS) would set policy. As Article II, above emphasized, POTUS was given the power to set policy only to the extent (1) appropriate to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution" and (2) not in conflict with federal law enacted by Congress in pursuance of our Constitution.
Article III emphasizes that federal courts shall adjudicate "all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties" and "Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party." That necessarily encompasses litigation regarding whether POTUS violated federal law or our Constitution.
Damon, tell me you know nothing about how the courts work.
Activist judges have been abusing TROs and APA as multiple justices have called out. Yet the judges continue.
The sole reason you demand full decisions instead of SCOTUS just repeatedly smacking down decisions they've already ruled on is you want to use the slowness of the courts to benefit the left.
Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and Roberts have all done statements on these reversals stating the inferior court judges continued to violate terms they've already decided.
Youre ignorant. You just want judicial activism for the left.
"You just want judicial activism for the left."
Jack likes living in a post-ethical society, and wishes the judiciary to go along.
Juliana, this isn't about mere "ethical" conduct (whatever you might think that means). I'm addressing purported public servants (under any label) pretending or presuming to have the power to violate our Constitution and violate their oaths to support our Constitution. That very tendency is why Article VI emphasized that our Constitution is paramount among "the supreme Law of the Land" and all "Judges" are 'bound thereby" all public servants (state and federal) are further "bound" to "support [our] Constitution." Ensuring that the foregoing is given its full force and effect is the most ethical conduct possible by any public servant in America.
"Juliana, this isn't about mere "ethical" conduct (whatever you might think that means). I'm addressing purported public servants (under any label) pretending or presuming to have the power to violate our Constitution and violate their oaths to support our Constitution..."
'Juliana, let me kick up some additional dust to obscure my preferences!"
Got it, Jack.
The shadow docket is an administrative tool to, in these cases, prevent irreparable harm to the executive. All of these cases will be adjudicated. To claim that the Court is violating the constitution by organizing it's docket is just silly.
Gaear Grimsrud, you cannot be correct that "The shadow docket is an administrative tool" to "prevent irreparable harm to the executive." What legal authority made you think your characterization ("administrative tool") was accurate or that "prevent[ing] irreparable harm to the executive" was a relevant standard?
To pretend or presume that any court had any power of "organizing it's docket" by "violating the constitution" is worse that "just silly." It advocates the violation of our Constitution by public servants who swore (and whose first, foremost and constant duty is) to support and defend our Constitution every day in every way possible in all official conduct.
Yup. A judicial version of the heckler’s veto.
Jesse, you're begging the question. If lower court judges actually are "abusing TROs and APA as multiple justices have called out," then it is the duty of SCOTUS justices under our Constitution to state the controlling legal authority and explain how such authority governs the material facts. It's that simple.
Speaking of a straw man, I didn't "demand full decisions" (whatever you think that means). I stated merely what all current SCOTUS justices have said our Constitution means and commands.
Again, I'll ask what you mean by "judicial activism." How do you know that the SCOTUS justices you support are not engaged in what you call "judicial activism" when they fail to explain why they did what they did?
I laugh at your imperial LOWER court judges claim.
For one, they are LOWER courts, meaning they answer to someone. They can and do make bad decisions, but it is not the final decision so they are appealed and overturned.
For two, there are many of these lower court judges, some good some bad, but none in any position to enact total control. The risk for that lies only in the president, not Trump necessarily, but the office.
I didn't say that they were imperial but that they were acting in an imperial manner and they were. They were enacting national TROs and injunctions, one tried to order a plane over international waters to return immediately despite insufficient fuel and then tried to hold POTUS Administration officials in contempt of court ( taking the SCOTUS to order the judge to stop the idiocy). They did all of this despite not having a full trial and sometimes did this within hours of receiving the case and before the Administration had time to respond.
The district courts were imposing restrictions on the executive branch that they had no authority to impose.
The district courts were imposing restrictions on the executive branch that they had no authority to impose.
No authority according to what? This is their role in the balance of power.
Oh, so their "authority" is their role in the balance of power? WTF ? Where is their "role in the balance of power" stated? We need to be able to look that one up before we feel chastened by it.
(Jack Jordan - I may not agree with everything you have written here, but then again, I may.)
Oh, so their "authority" is their role in the balance of power?
Yep.
Where is their "role in the balance of power" stated? We need to be able to look that one up before we feel chastened by it.
Such a statement betrays a complete ignorance in US common law, but it is written in the constitution, Article 3, section 2:
The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States...
And it is written in the Marbury vs Madison precedent:
And since the US is a common law system based on English common law, this is such a basic, obvious power of the judiciary, the founders left the power only vaguely stated in the Constitution, probably not suspecting one day authoritarian apologists may be so blindly entranced try to deny said power to justify the transition to autocracy.
This is such a basic balance of power safeguard that each of us learn in grade school, the very nature of denying it is rooted in anti-American, anti-freedom partisan brainwashing that purports any competitive power to the imperial presidency must be illegitimate and will be the end of this republic.
Yeah go ahead and believe that but it is false.
Activist judges are trying to tear apart the separation of powers and control policy by dictating how the POTUS can act.
You should seek help, your delusions are caused by hate and lies.
Neutral, what does the expression "Activist judges" mean to you?
Like I would take any advice from someone who writes this ridiculous failure of logic: "Activist judges are trying to tear apart the separation of powers and control policy by dictating how the POTUS can act.
I don’t like a lot of these laws as they are written either, nor do I agree with Congress ceding so much power to the Presidency. Edit: but that is the reality we find ourselves in.
Surely you can see that these judges are not applying the law as written but as they wish it was. That hubris is the very undoing of the courts legitimacy and a constitutional republic.
Yeah, about those judges. The overwhelming majority that disagreed with SCOTUS were appointed by Democrats and don't like having their unconstitutional orders reversed. The Times prints a story of anonymous rogue judges and acts like it's not what it is, propaganda. This story is about as credible as the 51 numbnuts on Hunters laptop.
Here is a great rundown by an actual journalist who dug into the numbers
https://thefederalist.com/2025/10/13/if-anyones-causing-a-judicial-crisis-its-rogue-lower-court-judges/
Yes, I guess it didn’t occur to scotus critics that the corrupt and partisan ‘rulings’ are being struck down without comment because to comment one would be forced to point out that the judges and their rulings are corrupt and partisan and THAT might cause people to lose confidence in the judicial branch
And then there is this^^^
diver64, if you were correct (SCOTUS justices are merely having "unconstitutional orders reversed"), it should be very easy for SCOTUS justices to explain how lower court judges violated the law and our Constitution. SCOTUS justices simply have no legitimate excuse for failing to explain why they did what they did. Actually or virtually every SCOTUS justice who sat on SCOTUS this century has emphasized the same principle in opinions they authored or joined. See, e.g., my comment above quoting Marbury v. Madison.
They have Damon.
If opportunistic judges can attempt to clog up the courts for years with overreaching injunctions, it seems only fair that the Supremes make them wait just as long before they properly take them out behind the woodshed.
Secondly, as Kavanaugh and Barrett have made us aware of the "lock-in effect", perhaps John Marshall should have anticipated our present "judicial crisis" and held off writing something that could be used to hamstring our present SCOTUS. After all, what's 222 years!!! Judges must be infallible!!!
More than likely all the previous justices you refer to are rolling over in their graves.
So, let me see here. We should worry that the Supreme Court is issuing orders without giving full decisions - so the way to complain about this is through anonymous comments to the NYT? Sorry, but if you want to complain about the lack of written decisions, the judges in question need to have the courage to issue a written opinion themselves, even if it's in the pages of the papers, rather than a judicial opinion.
Of course, the reason they won't do this is that it is (probably) a violation of judicial ethics, and might be punishable. So they're doing something they shouldn't and trying to cover it by not putting their names to it.
But we should still find that a persuasive argument that they're trying to defend the law?
agarrett, there's no reason your opinion about the freedom of speech of judges should actually govern their speech. They are citizens, too. Moreover, every federal judge swore to support and defend our Constitution (see Article VI and 5 U.S.C. 3331), so they all have the same right and even the duty (and good reason) to express their opinions about how other judges are violating their oaths to support and defend our Constitution.
Chief Justice Roberts in his 2024 Year End Report (https://www.supremecourt.gov/publicinfo/year-end/year-endreports.aspx) even emphasized the right of all Americans to criticize any judge because that is a crucial means to hold federal judges accountable:
“Chief Justice Taft is the only person to have served as head of the judicial and a political branch [as chief justice after having served as president]. As he put it, ‘Nothing tends more to render judges careful in their decisions and anxiously solicitous to do exact justice than the consciousness that every act of theirs is to be subject to the intelligent scrutiny of their fellow men, and to their candid criticism.’”
“It should be no surprise that judicial rulings can provoke strong and passionate reactions. And those expressions of public sentiment—whether criticism or praise—are not threats to judicial independence.”
“In [our] democracy” with “robust First Amendment protections—criticism comes with the territory. It can be healthy. As Chief Justice Rehnquist wrote, '[a] natural consequence of life tenure should be the ability to benefit from informed criticism from legislators, the bar, academy, and the public.' ” Informed criticism by judges of judges' violations of our Constitution is at least as important.
This is correct. However, anonymity makes them (or the claims being attributed to them) suspect as hearsay.
Exactly.
See.More, how is the label "hearsay" relevant here? They're not testifying in court, so that label just isn't relevant. But if you think "hearsay" makes judicial contentions "suspect," then don't you agree that the conduct of SCOTUS justices that you're defending is at least as suspect? Pretty much everything any judge ever wrote about anything anybody else said or did was hearsay.
Why does Trump keep winning these preliminary emergency requests before SCOTUS?
Other articles have pointed out that Trump appeals only a very few cases and obeys the ones he doesn't appeal. Just as his opponents forum-shop to get the best chance of an anti-Trump activist judge, so does Trump case-shop to only appeal the ones he thinks he has the best chance of winning.
Other articles also mention how biased the NYT judge selection was, and out of that biased selection to send questions to, there was a further filtering because most judges did not respond. Volokh Conspiracy had two articles on that.
“and obeys the ones he doesn't appeal”
God, what a fucking authoritarian!
'According to one unnamed federal judge, the Court's behavior has been "a slap in the face to the district courts."'
Yup, district courts. The Constitutional foundation of our "democracy", right?
If you mean "our Democracy" then yes, foundation of the Republic, not so much.
Well, at least we now have a nice list for when the layoffs begin - - - -
(yeah, I know, lifetime tenure and all that jazz)
the Court's behavior has been "a slap in the face to the district courts."
What those district judges need is a swift kick in the ass for making those poor supremes continually have to slap them in the face for ignoring supreme court rulings.
Longtobefree, judges clearly don't have "lifetime tenure." Our Constitution clearly does not promise any public servant a job for life. In fact, Article I Section 9 emphasizes that "No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States." (Section 10 even emphasizes that "No State" can "grant any Title of Nobility.") A title of nobility is for life. In contrast, Article III emphasizes that all federal "Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices [only] during good Behaviour."
This was a very significant point in the discussion of our Constitution. This was an important principle that was invoked repeatedly to explain why the people should ratify the Constitution. For example, the importance of "good behavior" was emphasized repeatedly in The Federalist Papers (in at least Nos. 9, 39, 70, 78 and 79).
Ours is “a republic, where every magistrate ought to be personally responsible for his behavior in office.” Federalist No. 70 (Alexander Hamilton). Having “courts composed of judges holding their offices” only “during good behavior” is a “powerful means” for ensuring “the excellences of republican government may be retained and its imperfections lessened or avoided.” Federalist No. 9 (Hamilton). “The tenure by which the judges are to hold their places, is, as it unquestionably ought to be, that of good behavior.” Federalist No. 39 (James Madison). Only federal “judges” who “behave properly, will be secured in their places for life.” Federalist No. 79 (Hamilton).
“[T]here can be no room to doubt that” the failure to establish “GOOD BEHAVIOR as the tenure” of “judicial offices” “would have been inexcusably defective.” Federalist No. 78 (Hamilton). Absolutely “all judges” appointed to federal courts “are to hold their offices” only “DURING GOOD BEHAVIOR.” Id. “The standard of good behavior for the continuance in office of the judicial magistracy, is certainly one of the most valuable of the modern improvements in the practice of government.” Id. It was included in the Constitution to be an “excellent barrier to the encroachments and oppressions of [every] representative [authority, including judges]. And it is the best expedient which can be devised in any government, to secure a steady, upright, and impartial administration of the laws.” Id.
But the retaliation you proposed does clearly violate the First Amendment. See, e.g., my comment quoting Chief Justice Roberts' 2024 Year End Report and my comment quoting SCOTUS in Landmark.
"Longtobefree, judges clearly don't have "lifetime tenure.""
Yeah, as a judge, you might lose your job if you get caught fucking the corpse of your mother.
It is to laugh! Who do you think posts and reads here, you lying pile of shit?
And yet if anyone suggests a judge should be impeached Reason editors and Roberts scream their heads off. Exactly how many judges have been removed from office versus those that enjoyed a lifetime appointment? It's not even a rounding error. Your arguments continue to be absurd. You've chosen the shadow docket as a hill to die on? Really? And you claim that federal judges don't have lifetime appointments to support that argument? Really? This is some dumb shit.
Gaear Grimsrud, judges should be impeached, tried and removed much more commonly than they are. Article I delegated the power and duty to Congress to "make all Laws" that are "necessary and proper for carrying into Execution" absolutely "all [the] Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."
We are desperately in need of legislation governing at least the impeachment trial so that it is a legitimate legal process governed by law (including rules of procedure and evidence). Impeachment and the trial should not be a mere partisan political performance or tool. We ought to have a law requiring the impeachment of at least a few judges every year unless proof cannot be presented that they were guilty of "high Crimes and Misdemeanors." Then, we'd quickly see how easy it is to prove that far too many judges are far too often violating their oaths and our Constitution.
Show me (by presenting any controlling legal authority) how my "arguments continue to be absurd." You have not done so, and you cannot do so, regarding even one issue, principle or authority that I've presented.
What makes you think I've "chosen the shadow docket as a hill to die on"? How has anyone in this thread presented any legal authority to support their crazy conclusory contentions opposing my presentation of the text of our Constitution and multiple opinions by SCOTUS justices, James Madison and Alexander Hamilton?
'Whenever the Trump administration asks the Supreme Court to issue this sort of emergency order in its favor, the justices are basically forced to grapple with the following questions: Is it better in a particular case to let the president carry out his contested agenda right away? Or is it better in a particular case to keep the president's contested agenda on a temporary pause while the courts—after full briefing and arguments, including oral arguments before SCOTUS—have determined that the agenda does in fact pass constitutional or statutory muster?'
Actual question: are these 42 inferior court judges upset because Trump replaced Obama/Biden?
The temporary pause Root longs for will likely not be resolved in the next three years at which point it won't matter anymore.
Like the 'emergency' that brought [D] DACA, [D] [Na]tional So[zi]alist healthcare, [D] E.O. Tariffs, [D] COVID lock-downs, etc, etc, etc to the USA?
I'm not sure which part of this is funnier. The part that all the E.O. 'emergency' power was made statutory by [D] legislation, the part where [D] bragged appropriately about the "pen & desk" or the part where Congress already confirmed (twice) the Trumps E.O. Tariffs so obviously Congress has confirmed throwing the whole E.O. case out the window.
It's blatantly obvious this is nothing more than [D] law-fare game trying to take control of government through the judicial branch because they haven't got a majority anywhere. FFS; The [D]'s still won't pitch legislation to END E.O. Tariffs so obviously there BS cries only applies to their opponents and not themselves.
Judge fight! I don't think it's healthy to be questioning one of our cherished institutions, quite frankly.
You're right. We should be questioning all of them, not just one.
Fist of Etiquette, multiple SCOTUS chief justices emphatically (and properly) disagreed with your view of the meaning of our Constitution. See my comment above quoting Chief Justice Roberts in his 2024 Year End Report quoting Taft (as a circuit court judge before he became chief justice) and Chief Justice Rehnquist. See also my comment above quoting SCOTUS in Landmark.
Quotes a non judicial ruling while complaining the dockets dont have judicial rulings attached lol.
Youre a retard Damon.
Jesse, did you not see that Landmark (which I quoted) was a SCOTUS decision? More importantly, are you not able to see that "the freedom of speech" secured by the First Amendment necessarily includes the right of all of us to criticize all our purported public servants regarding their purported public service? Why would you think otherwise?
You also fail to appreciate the dispositive difference between the two forums at issue. Nothing required me or Chief Justice Roberts (in his 2024 Year End Report) to quote controlling legal authority. In contrast, every current SCOTUS justice has emphasized the duty of federal judges to fulfill their oaths to support our Constitution by saying what the governing law is and explaining how it governs the material facts. The math here is simple and straightforward.
Damon, where are folks claiming that the activist judges (or you) can’t share their/your sour grapes about what scotus is doing? They/you certainly are allowed to vent whether under given name or anonymously.
Missed the part in Article III where scotus is obligated to hold your hand.
Chumby, I think it's fair to say that you missed every relevant part of Articles I, II, III and VI.
Scotus is overturning the activist rulings by the activist judges. Cope harder.
Maybe you can buy a sense of humor with whatever money you’re being paid to comment.
What this actually reveals is the stunning arrogance of district court judges. They are the exclusive finders of fact. They will not be questioned. Their word is gospel. In many cases the supreme Court has already ruled on a similar set of facts but the lower courts invent novel ways to endrun them. This has been pointed out by SCOTUS on several occasions. The goal is to prevent Trump from pursuing his agenda by tying cases up for years in the lower courts. The stop Trump lawfare is a multi billion dollar operation and the number of carefully judge shopped cases is unprecedented. I've never had a high opinion of district court judges and their actions are what is causing damage to judiciary.
Gaear Grimsrud, if you're correct, then it should be a very simple matter for SCOTUS clerks and justices to prepare a decent statement of the governing law and a decent explanation of how their actions support and lower court judges' actions violate the law (or our Constitution). The fact that SCOTUS justices are routinely failing to do so speaks for itself. They all know they are violating their oaths and our Constitution. See my comment above quoting Marbury v. Madison (which SCOTUS justices commonly quote or cite for the same principle).
Jack, please, fuck off and die. We've heard the TDS-fuled excuses and special pleading for the last 8 years.
SCOTUS is finally fed up with the TDS-addled judges fantasies and is responding with the appropriate: "NO! Get lost"
Like the inferior court judges he reveres, Damon demands excess additions to the law and constitution that dont actually exist.
Sealion much, Jack?
See also comments below by Jesse, Roberta, Bruce, Incunabulum, Rossami below.
Juliana, did any of your compatriots refute anything I wrote quoting our Constitution or SCOTUS justices' opinions elaborating on the meaning of our Constitution? If not, why should you or I be influenced by their comments?
Yes, they have and you've ignored them only to provide more bullshit claims.
Sevo, show us. Quote anything anyone wrote to refute anything I wrote quoting our Constitution or SCOTUS justices' opinions elaborating on the meaning of our Constitution.
Too easy, jackoff:
"Longtobefree, judges clearly don't have "lifetime tenure.""
Yeah, as a judge, you might lose your job if you get caught fucking the corpse of your mother.
It is to laugh! Who do you think posts and reads here, you lying pile of shit?
Sevo, show me any part of our Constitution that says federal judge were granted life tenure. You can't because it didn't.
Judicial Tenure and Pay: Federal judges are appointed to hold their offices during "good behaviour," meaning they have lifetime appointments that can only be ended through impeachment. Their salaries cannot be reduced during their time in office.
Article 3, Section 1. Though given your inability to understand the Second Amendment, I doubt you can grasp this either.
And (TX, See More)
Justices take two oaths.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/oath/oathsofoffice.aspx
Do you enjoy being shown to be a liar jackoff?
Sevo, I do not think the word "liar" means what you think it means. I've said (in this thread) that two oaths govern federal judges, and I even cited both federal statutes. How did your citation show that anything I posted was false?
The artful dodger is now ducking and weaving; does anyone else doubt that the walls of bullshit are full of equally devious claims?
Didn't think so.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Juliana, I'm showing just how easy it is to counter contentions (or conduct) that are unconstitutional or anti-constitutional. Modern technology makes it super simple. SCOTUS justices simply have no excuse for violating our Constitution and their oaths to support our Constitution by stating the controlling legal authorities and applying them to the material facts.
Here Damon. Some views from two of the justices. Maybe expand your knowledge past the NYT.
https://thefederalist.com/2025/08/01/justice-kavanaugh-highlights-separation-of-powers-issue-congress-keeps-making-worse/
https://www.npr.org/2025/09/09/nx-s1-5534282/supreme-court-justice-amy-coney-barrett-defends-courts-work-on-emergency-rulings
More for you to consider Damon.
https://x.com/jadler1969/status/1977048004223025631
NYT oversampled judges from mass, Oregon, California. The very districts who have most abused their roles as inferior judges.
Jesse, did any of your purported authorities refute anything I wrote quoting our Constitution or SCOTUS justices' opinions elaborating on the meaning of our Constitution? If not, why should you or I be influenced by their mere opinions?
He's linked to Supreme Court justices something that you've done ad nauseum here to prove your case. Why should we trust your authorities?
Gaear Grimsrud, if you think Jesse's links are compelling, then quote the language in anything to which Jesse linked that refutes anything I quoted from the plain text of our Constitution or other authorities elaborating on the meaning of our Constitution. Feel free to pick anything I quoted and show me how any text in anything Jesse cited refuted it. It should be easy for you to do so, right?
I never said or implied that you should merely "trust [my] authorities." I quoted and cited authorities so that you could think for yourself, including so that you could try to prove that they're wrong. You didn't and you can't.
Justices take two oaths.
The Constitutional Oath:
The Judicial Oath (since 1990):
Sometimes they are combined:
Nothing in either of those oaths, and zero words or phrases in the Constitution obligates an justice to articulate or explain any of the things you claim the Constitution and their oathes obligate them to.
Yet further evidence that Jack Jordan is attempting to use walls of words to avoid admitting that Jack Jordan is
Full.
Of.
Shit.
Fuck off and die, Jack
See.More, at least you're considering actual (and relevant) legal authority. But it makes no sense at all to stop with the text of the judicial oaths. Did you really expect the oaths to state explicitly every constraint in all federal law and all SCOTUS opinions governing the conduct of judges?
Now look at the authorities that I quoted elaborating on what our Constitution requires of judges to fulfill their oaths regarding the particular issue we're discussing. My comments have quoted Alexander Hamilton, James Madison and multiple SCOTUS justices in Marbury v. Madison, Etting v. U.S. Bank, Bank Markazi v. Peterson, and Turkiye Halk Bankasi A.S. v. United States.
Haven't we seen a clear enough pattern of district courts stalling Trump when they know they'll lose on the merits? Guess what, so do the Supremes.
Exactly. We have District Court judges issuing nationwide injunctions based on plaintiff filings, and no real fact findings, finding, for example, that while POTUS has wide discretion in a matter, the (plaintiffs’) facts in Tony of them don’t warrant that much discretion.that sort of thing.
What I see is that the Supreme Court majority sees these activist judges having gone grossly out of bounds. They warned them. Now those judges want direction, so that they can weasel around it. Their response is just to say knock it off. They have (in their minds) more important things to do with their limited time and bandwidth, than to give these activist judges detailed instructions how to undermine the Trump Administration, so just knock it off!
"Now those judges want direction, so that they can weasel around it."
And then they can score big points in the ongoing psyop!
Bruce, you're undoubtedly correct that "District Court judges [are] issuing nationwide injunctions" with "no real fact findings." And that is exactly the kind of blatantly and egregiously unconstitutional conduct that SCOTUS justices should be reversing. But even more important than reversing such conduct, SCOTUS justices should be highlighting the clear violation of our Constitution and federal law by judges who merely pretend to make factual findings (by pretending that vague conclusory contentions are findings of fact).
If you're correct that lower court judges are violating federal law and our Constitution, SCOTUS justices can say so very quickly and very easily by presenting the controlling legal authorities and applying them to the material facts. Until they do so, they (and we) deserve to have lower court judges not merely guessing what legal authority constrains their own conduct.
It never has been (and never can be) an excuse that lower court judges, lawyers or litigants 'want direction, so that they can weasel around it." That's a pretty significant reason lawyers and judges are trained in the law. To weasel around the law, otherwise known as complying with the law.
"...If you're correct that lower court judges are violating federal law and our Constitution, SCOTUS justices can say so very quickly and very easily by presenting the controlling legal authorities and applying them to the material facts..."
Unless they chose not to do so, as they are allowed to do, to the consternation of TDS-addled lying piles of shit who hope every activist judge can ham-string Trump.
Into the bin you go, Jack, along with all the rest of the junk mail.
"... that is exactly the kind of blatantly and egregiously unconstitutional conduct that SCOTUS justices should be reversing. But even more important than reversing such conduct, SCOTUS justices should be highlighting the clear violation ..."
'Scuse me but, NO. Put the fire out FIRST, then try the arsonist.
And still no mention of the "lock-in effect." Perfectly justified, it seems, with so many highly trained in "weaseling around the law".
Juliana, you seem to want to talk mere policy (the "lock-in effect") while ignoring (and supporting judges who violate) the plain text and plain purpose of our Constitution. Policy cannot trump constraints in our Constitution. That's the point of having a written Constitution that was ratified by the People.
Jack, here is my opinion of your very well considered approach to my comment:
Step 1) Say nothing of the reference to putting out the fire.
Step 2) Belittle the ways the justices are sometimes forced to deal with contemptuous, disingenuous scumbags by labeling it "mere" policy.
Step 3) Lump together "plain text" with "plain purpose" as if they are one and the same in every conceivable iteration and hope no one notices your sleight of hand.
Step 4) Insinuate that "policy" is never appropriate to mediate constitutional language by using absolutist terms, i.e. "trumps".
Step 5) Have the audacity to invoke "the People" (with a capital "P" no less!) as if the very people you profess to represent would desire anything less than to throttle you for your supreme arrogance. The very same people who are beginning to see through the propaganda and pure horseshit we've been fed for decades have finally mustered enough votes to begin a much needed clean-up of the morass we find ourselves in, at odds with a majority of congress and judiciary and a bureaucracy who actually DO have NO regard for THEIR oaths of office. Please enlighten us with as lengthy a rebuke of THEM as you have seen fit to shit up this thread with. Until you do so, your tireless rant is simply disingenuous.
It's similar to your trash-bin at home: You get tons of junk mail, give it the once-over and toss it in the bin. And then you empty the bin, in the certainty that if you missed something important, you'll be reminded soon enough.
Now, along comes a brand-new scold (in this case of the TDS-addled lying pile of shit variety) telling you that you must go back and examine every one of those papers to see if one might just be of interest to, at least the TDS-addled lying pile of shit Jack Jordan!
Sorry, Jack. Into the dumpster you go, along with your 'DUE PROCESS, DUE PROCESS, DUE PROCESS, DUE PROCESS, DUE PROCESS, DUE PROCESS!' bullshit.
Sevo, cool! Please do just ignore what I write. Even if you did nothing more than that you would contribute to the quality of this thread.
Keep adding to the pile of junk mail, Jack. The world needs more verbose TDS-addled lying piles of bullshit-slingers!
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Causing one? No.
Indicative of one? Yes.
The District Courts have been causing the crisis, the shadow docket is the result of the USSC managing that crisis.
As Nature Boy Ric Flair used to say, it is a lot easier to get on than to get off.
You're ignoring the fact that most of these reversals have been based on really obvious, non-controversial issues about preliminary injunctions.
Consider - in a corporate litigation, if you argue that you've been wrongfully terminated, you might get reinstated with backpay (but most likely, will only get money) when you finally win your case. There is no situation in which you are entitled to keep doing your job over your employer's objections in the meantime.
For another example, a contract dispute over payments gets eventually resolved on the merits with, if you win, the money you were owed plus interest. In no situation is the payor required to keep shelling out money during the litigation.
This isn't about "let[ting] the president carry out his contested agenda" - this is about the standard and legally-allowed remedies. Preliminary injunctions are, by design, quite rare and limited. When judges start handing out preliminary injunctions like candy, those judges are simply wrong.
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But not if they are anti-Trump, according to TDS-addled lying piles of slimy shit like our newest commenter!
Rossami, if you're correct about "the fact that most of these reversals have been based on really obvious, non-controversial issues about preliminary injunctions," then what possible justification could SCOTUS have for not expressly stating the controlling legal authorities and applying them to the facts? According to you, SCOTUS justices are (for no apparent reason) simply failing to say something they easily could say.
"...then what possible justification could SCOTUS have for not expressly stating the controlling legal authorities and applying them to the facts?..."
Because they have jobs to do, which do not include satisfying TDS-addled bullshitters like you.
a) bandwidth issues - they could have justified as follows: (but somehow i dont think that would satisfy you...)
Ex visu By sight / by inspection Direct visual recognition or obviousness
Per intuitionem Through intuition When insight or instinct guides the answer
Manifestum est It is evident / obvious When the result is self-evident
Sine demonstratione Without proof Used when skipping formal derivation (shout out to CoPilot for the assist on this one)
b) political issues: justification merely provides a larger attack surface for arguing against the judgement, for the corrupt pols to move for stacking the court
c) partisan political issues: (mentioned earlier)corrupt partisan judges will use any explanation as guideposts to restructure their dishonest judgments to get around the reversal and tie up the administrative branch
d) the corrupt and partisan ‘rulings’ are being struck down without comment because to comment one would be forced to point out that the judges and their rulings are corrupt and partisan and THAT might cause people to lose confidence in the judicial branch
(from my earlier comment)
Roberts is a political animal as well as chief justice and doesnt want his courts legitimacy impeached. These considerations have to factor into the handling of these rulings.
Ersatz, if you presented a legal argument anywhere in your comment, I didn't see it. So could you just state a relevant legal argument?
Article III requires federal judges to adjudicate particular cases or controversies: "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties" and to all "Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party."
Very many SCOTUS justices over the past 100 years have re-emphasized the emphasis by Chief Justice Marshall and SCOTUS in Marbury regarding this crucial duty of all federal judges (including SCOTUS justices): "It is emphatically" the "duty of the judicial department to say what the law is. Those who apply the rule to particular cases, must of necessity expound and interpret that rule."
The reasons for such rule are crucial. As Chief Justice Marshall and SCOTUS subsequently emphasized, each “Judge” is “required to declare the law” because if he “states it erroneously, his opinion” must “be revised; and if it can have had any influence on the” judgment, it must “be set aside.” Etting v. U.S. Bank, 24 U.S. (11 Wheat.) 59, 75 (1826) (Marshall, C.J.).
As many current SCOTUS justices emphasized in Bank Markazi v. Peterson, 578 U.S. 212 (2016), “Article III of the Constitution establishe[d]” a “Judiciary” that must be “independent” of all except the law, so the judiciary was assigned the constitutional “duty to say what the [governing] law is” in “particular cases and controversies;” judges “who apply [a] rule to particular cases, must of necessity expound and interpret that rule.”
hey, just sayin'.
Roberts is a political animal as well as a judge. He invented the penaltax...
nuff said.
[IANAL so i'll stay in my lane... all opinions expressed...yada,yada]
Sounds like you want to engage me in a fruitless constitutional law argument - I dont need that. You want to change hearts and minds of people to your view of constitutional fidelity, well good luck with that!
Last I checked, the last time the American public or its political and judicial reps cared about the constitution was during covid when they ran out of toilet paper.
So we have Root griping yet again that the Leftist strategy to control the executive branch by having NGOs file legally frivolous lawsuits with sympathetic judges is being stymied by SCOTUS, which has had it up to here with that nonsense. You are not getting detailed reasoning for why SCOTUS is denying the injections because that is what SCOTUS does until a case is formally before it.
So, three serious issues with the NYT's framing here (and, by extension, Mr. Root's, because he parrots, rather than critiques, the NYT's framing).
The first issue, disclosed but not emphasized by the NYT, is that the NYT "survey" differentially reached out to judges in the districts where major anti-Trump orders were voided by SCOTUS.
The second issue, disclosed but not emphasized by the NYT, is that only a very small fraction of the judges the NYT "surveyed" responded to to the NYT.
Those two mean that the NYT was absolutely certain to hear disproportionately from judges who were disgruntled because they were personally slapped down, and were happy to bitch about it to an ideologically-sympathetic outlet.
The third issue is that, because of the Senate's "blue slip" tradition on district-level judicial nominations, the fact that a district court judge was appointed by a Republican president is not good evidence about ideology. The "blue slip" tradition means the Senate Judiciary Committee does not advance the nominations of a judge for a district court seat unless the home state senators both approve. So, no Trump nominee for district judge in Massachusetts has ever been advanced without the explicit approval of Elizabeth Warren (and there are, in fact, no Trump nominees on that district court). Similarly, every Reagan, Bush, and Bush II nominee to that court required the approval of Ted Kennedy.
(Massachusetts is especially relevant here because so many of the cases involved in these "shadow docket" reversals were filed there. Notably, there are currently no Republican appointees holding regular seats at either the district or appeals levels in the First Circuit, while the Circuit's Justice is Ketanji Brown Jackson.)
Good points. This whole Republican versus Democrat judges is just lazy reporting. Aside from maybe some Supreme Court justices it doesn't tell us anything. Once a federal judge gets a lifetime appointment (sorry Damon/Jack it's a real thing 99.999999 percent of the time) they do whatever the fuck they want. I have some personal experience with federal courts in a pretty pivotal case with national consequences. The arrogance, partisanship and ideology of the judges and magistrates was stunning. And their ability to enable blatant lawfare for years was insane. The only thing that they have to fear is being reversed in the circuit court. But they still get a guaranteed paycheck and they get up the next morning and do exactly the same shit they got slapped down for. In Damon/Jack's fever dreams these people are somehow the guardians of the constitution and the Supreme Court is lawless for just telling them to STFU. All of the tedious citations in the record of the Republic don't change reality. These little dictators are outside their lane and they don't deserve any more than they're getting.
Gaear, think about this for a minute. People saying what you said are responsible for the problem you identified. Nothing in our Constitution said or supported the presumption or pretense that a "federal judge gets a lifetime appointment." Much in our Constitution said and implied the opposite.
People presuming or pretending that a "federal judge gets a lifetime appointment" are responsible for the "arrogance, partisanship and ideology of the judges and magistrates" in violation of our Constitution.
Congress needs to enact legislation making impeachment a realistic remedy for federal judges who lie, cheat (knowingly violate controlling legal authorities) and rob and defraud people of rights secured by our Constitution. People presuming or pretending that a "federal judge gets a lifetime appointment" does not help at all.
Well finally we can agree on something. We absolutely need to impeach more judges. But as you have to be aware, in the real world as a practical matter a judicial appointment is in fact a lifetime appointment. Politicians have found it convenient for that system to become entrenched in the public mind because it relieves them of the responsibility of taking potentially unpopular votes. The real damage done by district courts has nothing to do with Trump. It's done to individuals nobody will ever hear of. They are the undisputed finders of fact and can only be challenged on matters of law. With five felonies a day it's virtually impossible to get justice in these courts without at least millions in the bank. For the record I agree that the Founders didn't anticipate lifetime appointments and in fact they created article 3 as the weakest branch without enforcement power. But in the world in which we live the court gets the final word and for the most part the Court has granted itself that power. Despite your antipathy for all things Trump maybe you should consider that forcing the court to acknowledge the limits of it's power over the executive branch might take us closer to the democratic system the constitution envisions.
Gaear, again, judges are permitted to pretend they have life tenure only because more people haven't pushed for legislation (which should require impeachment, conviction and removal) for conduct constituting high crimes or misdemeanors (e.g., the conduct Congress made criminal in 18 U.S.C. Sections 241, 242, 371 and 1001).
What have I written that makes you think I suffer from "antipathy for all things Trump"? My antipathy is toward all purported public servants who knowingly violate their oaths of office. Presidents and many judges under both political labels are guilty. We all should stop pretending that their violations of our Constitution are acceptable just because they sometimes happen to do something we like.
It's not true that "the constitution envisions" a "democratic system," and it's especially clearly not true that POTUS was meant to be primary policy-making authority. Article I emphatically delegated the power and duty to Congress to "make all Laws" that are "necessary and proper for carrying into Execution" absolutely "all [the] Powers vested by this Constitution in" Congress or "the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."
Article II emphasizes that POTUS "shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." It also emphasized that POTUS was given the power to set policy only to the extent (1) appropriate to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution" and (2) not in conflict with federal law enacted by Congress in pursuance of our Constitution.
Article III emphasizes that federal courts shall adjudicate "all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties" and "Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party." That necessarily encompasses litigation regarding whether POTUS violated federal law or our Constitution.
"Is the Supreme Court's Shadow Docket Causing a 'Judicial Crisis'?"
Sniffs quite easily to: 'Blaming Trump for extraditing all the illegals Biden/Harris encouraged to cross the border'.
Related: https://reason.com/volokh/2025/10/11/do-federal-judges-believe-we-are-in-the-midst-of-a-judicial-crisis/
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While SCoTUS might not be saying why, it is pretty easy to deduce from a vast litany of past precedents. That is, it is fairly common for appellate courts to halt prior judicial restraints when the appellate court believes that the defendant has a strong chance of winning their case.
So, I infer that the Supreme Court granting these emergency stays is an indication that the Supreme Court believes that the Trump administration has a strong chance of winning their appeals.
And not wasting judiciary time dealing with petty-foggery such as Jack is slinging about.
I believe there is a concept regarding "justice delayed...", which must cause bullshitters like Jack real concern.
Damon/Jack doesn’t like scotus interfering with the activist judges.
Chumby, what do you think the label "activist judges" means?
An activist judge is someone who makes rulings based on personal political views or policy preferences rather than adhering to legal precedents or the text of the law.
Thankfully, scotus is weighing in on these activist judges decisions and overturning them.
Chumby, how can anyone ascertain that SCOTUS justices are not conducting themselves in a way that fits your definition of activist judge? We have all seen SCOTUS justices violate our Constitution, specifically based on policy preferences. Wouldn't you say that is true? Or would you argue that the SCOTUS justices responsible for Roe v. Wade didn't do that?
"Chumby, how can anyone ascertain that SCOTUS justices are not conducting themselves in a way that fits your definition of activist judge?"
Are you now proposing that SCOTUS decisions be subject to appeal to TDS-addled shits like you?
Sotomayor and Jackson did defend racial preferences. Yup. Glad you highlighted that.
See.more, you may "infer that the Supreme Court granting these emergency stays is an indication that the Supreme Court believes that the Trump administration has a strong chance of winning their appeals." But why should any lower court judge rest any judgment on any such inference?
If you truly believe that a sufficient quantity of SCOTUS justices "believes that the Trump administration has a strong chance of winning their appeals," then why don't you want the SCOTUS justices to say so and state the governing legal authorities and the material facts? How could that be hard for them and how would it not help lower courts adjudicate cases properly?
Your arguments get more pathetic by the minute. The court has a full docket for it's upcoming term most of which has nothing to do with Orangeman. I personally hope that they will devote their time and energy to actual disputes that resolve matters that affect the citizenry. They have told the inferior to stand down but you want them to hold their hands. Fuck that. We have much bigger issues to deal with. Your entire screed and comments rest on the novel theory that the court is constitutionally bound to explicitly adjudicate every case wherein they stay a district court TRO or nationwide injunction. You're really down a rabbit hole here.
Gaear, your objections are not to my arguments. Your objections are to the statements of SCOTUS justices (and Hamilton) about the meaning of the plain text of Article III. Your calling their construction of our Constitution "pathetic" does nothing to diminish the binding effect of such constructions. Nothing I presented was even potentially "novel" or mere "theory." I quoted text of our Constitution, which was written, discussed and ratified in the 1780's and 1790's, and discussed again by SCOTUS justices in 1803 and many times since 2000. This isn't even complicated.
And yet Kavanaugh and Barrett, both Supreme Court justices, have addressed this very issue in the context of the shadow docket. Are they bound by your interpretation of 18th century Courts? And I never called the constitution pathetic. I called your arguments pathetic.
Gaear, please show me what you're talking about ("Kavanaugh and Barrett" have "addressed this very issue in the context of the shadow docket"). Where in any judicial opinion did anyone explain that Article III does not require federal judges to say what the governing law is in this context. More importantly, what legal principles could support such a contention?
They aren’t saving any time by keeping their reasoning from the lower court judges. They are just insuring they will continue to be bombarded with more appeals.
If they remain anonymous then obvious it's sour grapes and the complaints are not serious.
This is district court judges confused why they do not have the power of, or more power than, POTUS.
Stay in your lane, if you want the power of POTUS run for the office and get elected. Otherwise do the job you took an oath to do. And oh yeah, stop harming America by trying to implement George Soros policies and undermining the rule of law.
""Judges, both of the supreme and inferior Courts, shall hold their Offices [only] during good Behaviour."
Oh good that means there is a way to remove activist judges who are not following the rule of law or the constitution and attempt to over reach the power of their jurisdiction trying to thwart the will of the people and the policies of POTUS.
Line them up, all the anonymous judges allegedly complaining that SCOTUS is not following the constitution, and confirm if they have themselves been acting under the oath taken or instead are distorting the rule of law for political purposes.
Neutral, what value do you think you add by adding the label "activist judges" to your conclusion that judges "are not following the rule of law or the constitution and attempt[ing] to over reach the power of their jurisdiction"? What do you think the label "activist judges" means?
I don't know Neutral 's definition but in this instance it would seem to be article 3 claiming the power of article 2. But keep grasping. I'm sure that straw will save you.
Gaear, the constitutional duty of Article III judges is to determine whether Article II employees are violating our Constitution. This aspect of our Constitution is super simple and straightforward. See my comments quoting Articles I, II, III and VI, above (responding to Chumby's misrepresentation that "Article III does not explicitly provide for judicial review" and Neutral's contention that it is "for POTUS" to "create the policy"). This is not complicated. This is a fundamental, much-discussed aspect of our Constitution (separation of powers).
No it's not complicated. But the constitution and law grant powers to the executive that are not subject to article 3 review and the Court may soon clarify that. But that is not an argument that I need to address. Your contention is that the Supreme Court has violated the constitution in the context of the shadow docket. I find your reasoning unconvincing. We can agree to disagree or you can continue down the rabbit hole. Nobody really cares.
Gaear, please show me the words in the Constitution that say (or imply) that "the constitution and law grant powers to the executive that are not subject to article 3 review."
Article I emphatically delegated the power and duty to Congress to "make all Laws" that are "necessary and proper for carrying into Execution" absolutely "all [the] Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."
Article II emphasizes that POTUS "shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed." It also emphasized that POTUS was given the power to set policy only to the extent (1) appropriate to "preserve, protect and defend the Constitution" and (2) not in conflict with federal law enacted by Congress in pursuance of our Constitution.
Article III emphasizes that federal courts shall adjudicate "all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties" and "Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party." That necessarily encompasses litigation regarding whether POTUS violated federal law or our Constitution.
Gaear, you don't, in fact, "find [my] reasoning unconvincing." Maybe you think SCOTUS justices (and Hamilton's) reasoning is unconvincing, but you did not (and cannot) present any authority to show that their reasoning is wrong about the meaning and purpose of the text and structure of our Constitution.
Spend quite a bit of time writing explanations of processes regarding why our products aid those processes to the benefit of the buyer/user.
Unlike Jack(off) here, it seems the best efforts simplify the description rather than bury the (supposed) explanation INSIDE A WALL OF WORDS, which are often used to OBSCURE THE FACT THAT THE WALL-OF-WORDS-BULLSHITTER DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE YAMMERING ON ABOUT!
Jack(off), make the world a better place: Fuck off and die, asswipe.
An amalgam of gish gallop with heckler’s veto. He is seething and it is wonderful.
Issued without an accompanying opinion that explains the Supreme Court's thinking”
Silly, it’s because no thinking was done nor was it needed to back the shadow state on the shadow docket. The Supreme Court has only rarely done it’s job and on those rare occasions it was in a less than satisfactory “damned with faint praise” confirmation of the Bill of Rights when there was no way around it.
Are these judges who complain about lack of reasoning from SCOTUS when their preliminary injunctions are stayed until the final merits decision is published too deficient in reasoning skills to impute plausible reasons. In these cases the fact that SCOTUS stays the injunction that bar an administration action the obvious reason is the inferior court judge's reasoning for issuing an injunction is bogus and that the administrations actions are more likely than not to be lawful. Also the reason SCOTUS doesn't allow the injunction to stand until the final merits decision is there is a time issue. Baring POTUS firing an officer of an agency with administrative function without cause is likely to be found unconstitutional by a majority of SCOTUS justices. A majority of 6 justices have judicial philosophy judging constitutionality of statute & statutory validity of presidential orders that does the statute fit the text of the Constitution and historical traditions? Then if yes does the presidents order meet the statute's text.
In the case of the firing of FED governor to me SCOTUS refusing to stay the district court judge's injection implies that there is no hurry to resolve the issue. SCOTUS has been delaying making a decision on only firing for cause officers of the federal government who a members of boards or commissions Trump 45. For some reason a majority of justices have stayed district court judge's blocking firing officers of commissions and boards except for the FED. My opinion is it is because allowing POTUS to at will replace the members of the board of governors can have have huge effect on the nation's & the world's economy. There is no eminent emergency that requires that the president to have a majority on the board to insure that the FED interest rate be lowered now verses in spring of 2026. What's is billions more in interest payments & borrowing when the national debt is $37,000,000,000,000?
At least 2 justices will have to be creative to not follow their "conservative" beliefs to uphold the firing for cause of a FED board member.
JD, it's not the duty of lower court judges to "impute plausible reasons" for SCOTUS decisions. No logic can replace or supersede judges' constitutional duty to expressly state the governing law and explain what it means.
Very many SCOTUS justices over the past 100 years have re-emphasized the emphasis by Chief Justice Marshall and SCOTUS in Marbury regarding this crucial duty of all federal judges (including SCOTUS justices): "It is emphatically" the "duty of the judicial department to say what the law is. Those who apply the rule to particular cases, must of necessity expound and interpret that rule."
The reasons for such rule are crucial. As Chief Justice Marshall and SCOTUS subsequently emphasized, each “Judge” is “required to declare the law” because if he “states it erroneously, his opinion” must “be revised; and if it can have had any influence on the” judgment, it must “be set aside.” Etting v. U.S. Bank, 24 U.S. (11 Wheat.) 59, 75 (1826) (Marshall, C.J.).
As many current SCOTUS justices emphasized in Bank Markazi v. Peterson, 578 U.S. 212 (2016), “Article III of the Constitution establishe[d]” a “Judiciary” that must be “independent” of all except the law, so the judiciary was assigned the constitutional “duty to say what the [governing] law is” in “particular cases and controversies;” judges “who apply [a] rule to particular cases, must of necessity expound and interpret that rule.”
Jack, stuff your TDS up your ass so your head has some company. Your bullshit has been called; you are a TDS-addled steaming pile of shit hoping to be taken seriously.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
According to one unnamed federal judge, the Court's behavior has been "a slap in the face to the district courts."
lmao, put on the nose Judge.
You too, Damon.
The district courts thinking they can enact nationwide injunctions is the slap in the face.
Is it better in a particular case to let the president carry out his contested agenda right away? Or is it better in a particular case to keep the president's contested agenda on a temporary pause
Don't be disingenuous, Damon. If you actually have any knowledge about the law, you know darn well that they're operating on a principle of least harm and an opportunity to hear the merits. No different than when Trump pink slipped Slaughter. They're not going to say, "Nuh uh, she's unfired until we publish an opinion." That's not how they do things, outside of pretty remarkable circumstances.
Some of the most contested (and contemptible) things have been allowed to continue until the Courts can decide. Absent clear evidence to the contrary, it's Constitutional until they render a decision that the Constitution actually limits their ability to do what they're doing.
They're not going to touch policy with a 10' pole. They'll interpret the Constitution, no more no less.
I had hopes for this conservative court, but it sucks. I know the Court is aiming to establish a Unitary Executive, but with so many legislative powers having been delegated by Congress already, it is vital that these powers be abolished or returned to Congress first. They are not doing that.
I know the Court is aiming to establish a Unitary Executive
Wait wait, let me go get the Reynolds Wrap.
but with so many legislative powers having been delegated by Congress already, it is vital that these powers be abolished or returned to Congress first.
Congress doesn't want them. It hurts their ability to stay career politicians and bilk the American People for 8-9 figures per year.
That's what always gets me about the Left. For all the visceral anathema they have for Donnie T, where's that same hatred for the likes of Pelosi, Schumer, Blumenthal, Feinstein, Markey, Waters? Or for that matter, the up-and-comers like AOC and the rest of the Red Square Squad?
At this point, I'd like to renew my idea of term limits for Legislators. Followed by executions. Simply put, if you're elected to Congress, you have a set term after which you're permanently barred from public office and slated for execution. At the end of said term, a ballot question is added which offers the People the option to grant them retirement instead of death. If the People are happy with their legislators at the end of their term, great. If not, thank you for your service followed by two in the head.
They are not doing that.
Why would they? The voters got what they asked for. Good and hard. SCOTUS will respect that.
None of these plaintiffs or lower court judges are saying the laws or delegations of power are unconstitutional and should be scrapped entirely.
I wonder why that is?
No, aajax, you suck. Fuck off and die.
Perhaps SCOTUS has recognized the following: A) Yes, those opposed to anything Trump does are proverbially seeing what will "stick to the wall" with more liberal courts, B) Trump is trying to establish law and order, C) Local liberal leaders are fighting the law and order tooth and nail - claiming they can handle it, but then don't actually do anything or actively foster the disorder - this is quite evident in media footage, D) congress being split, with the Dems in "oppose everything mode" and not actually contributing any solutions, SCOTUS realizes that throwing it back to congress will do nothing to solve it, and E) SCOTUS actually cares about the health, safely and law and order of the nation.
Methinks the message 6 of the 9 SC Justices might be sending without saying it is, "for the love of all that is holy, American People, stop re-electing these worthless far left bastards so that the country can move in a positive direction without unilateral presidential control. Who you elect don't have to be Republicans, but holy shit - vote for someone who isn't actively encouraging chaos"
A) Yes.
B) Yes.
C) Yes.
D) Yes.
E) Sounds good to me.
You only left out that Jackoff Jordan is a slimy pile of lying TDS addled shit.
Thank you Marc for some sanity here. And despite all the propaganda and psyops being thrown at us for how many decades, someone has illuminated the bullshit, and we are slowly beginning to throw out "these worthless far left bastards" and I certainly hope that in the end "the country can move in a positive direction without unilateral presidential control."
We have witnessed the daily undermining of this nation by people who really do have nothing but contempt for the spirit of the constitution while at the same time haranguing us with the most ridiculous demands that we yield to the letter, but ONLY when it can be used to advance the destruction or thwart our course corrections. The constitution is not a suicide pact.
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"Too many of those who criticize the critics of SCOTUS justices presume or pretend that we the people should merely (blindly) revere SCOTUS justices like high priests of some arcane religion that is beyond the grasp of our simple minds."
Too many TDS-addled slimy piles of lefty shit assume an appeal to a fantasy will justify their claims.
Nope.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Corrected:
Too many TDS-addled slimy piles of prolix lefty shit assume an appeal to a fantasy will justify their claims.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.