The Justice Department's Targeting of George Soros Is a Serious Scandal
Just as it was a scandal when the IRS under Obama allegedly targeted Tea Party groups.
In May 2013, then–President Barack Obama gave a press conference in which he expressed dismay at a recent report out of his administration. "If in fact IRS personnel…were intentionally targeting conservative groups," he said, "then that's outrageous. And there's no place for it." He later promised to get to the bottom of "these failures," which he called "intolerable and inexcusable," and insisted that those involved be held to account. "Regardless of how this conduct was allowed to take place," he said, "the bottom line is, it was wrong."
These remarks followed a disclosure by the IRS that organizations with right-coded terms such as tea party and patriots in their names had been subjected to heightened scrutiny when applying for tax-exempt status. This targeting of groups on the basis of their political views was all but universally recognized to be an abuse of governmental power. As an American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) representative put it, "Even the appearance of playing partisan politics with the tax code is about as constitutionally troubling as it gets."
Reactions were swift and nonpartisan. The acting commissioner of the IRS was forced to resign, the official at the center of the controversy was placed on administrative leave, multiple investigations were launched, and the mainstream media covered it as a scandal. MSNBC's Rachel Maddow criticized the administration, as did a number of Democratic members of Congress.
It later emerged that the IRS had also scrutinized groups with names featuring left-coded keywords, such as occupy and medical marijuana, leading many progressive and mainstream commentators to dismiss the initial reporting as overblown. Conservatives countered with evidence suggesting that right-leaning groups were disproportionately affected, both numerically (they were more likely to be flagged for review than were left-leaning or ambiguously ideological groups) and in terms of the amount of follow-up information requested and the length of delays experienced.
In the end, an inquiry by the Treasury Department inspector general concluded that "the IRS used inappropriate criteria that identified for review organizations applying for tax-exempt status based upon their names or policy positions instead of indications of significant potential political campaign intervention." It did not explicitly find that conservatives had been targeted, but during President Donald Trump's first term the IRS settled a pair of lawsuits brought by more than 40 conservative groups alleging mistreatment.
The extent to which one end of the political spectrum was treated unfairly continues to be contested (and is in some ways a matter of subjective interpretation), but it's worth pausing to notice what the disagreement isn't about.
The position of left-of-center commentators was, in short, that the supposed scandal had turned out to be a nothingburger. Conservatives weren't actually targeted at all. Because the initial report left out the fact that groups of a variety of ideological persuasions had received scrutiny, it created the mistaken impression that conservatives had been singled out—presumably for political reasons—when that wasn't true.
The argument was not that selectively targeting one's political opponents is fine, because elections have consequences. The argument was not that the IRS is an executive-branch agency, which places it under the direct command of the president, who therefore has the rightful authority to order any group to be audited at any time for whatever reason he, the chief executive, might deem appropriate. (Recall that there was never any evidence that Obama even had knowledge of what the IRS was up to—and that when he was told, he immediately condemned it.) And the argument was not that activities like criticizing the president or supporting anti-government protests, which the Tea Party and Occupy movements both did, count as anti-American behaviors that invite a crackdown and justify the use of any and all tools available to the state.
Yet these are precisely the sorts of arguments some conservatives are making today in order to rationalize Trump's attacks on individuals and groups he doesn't like. Frequently, those rationalizations are couched in the not entirely unreasonable argument that Republicans are merely taking up the weapons that Democrats have long used against them. But there are limits to the comparison.
On September 25, The New York Times reported on a directive issued by a "senior Justice Department official" to "more than a half dozen U.S. attorneys' offices," instructing them "to draft plans to investigate a group funded by George Soros, the billionaire Democratic donor who President Trump has demanded be thrown in jail." In multiple ways, this represents a flagrant violation of the rule of law and norms of justice, and in each of them, the situation departs markedly from Obama-era alleged malfeasance.
First and most obviously, the call to investigate Soros' group is part of a pattern in which Trump is not just overseeing executive branch operations but personally weighing in on the substantive exercise of state power and even forcibly overruling those tasked with impartially implementing the law. At least until recently, it was widely recognized that presidents are political actors motivated by political concerns—exactly the types of concerns that are not supposed to enter into decisions about, say, whom the Department of Justice (DOJ) investigates and prosecutes.
Trump has disregarded the expectation that presidents remain at arm's length so as to prevent partisan considerations from implicitly or even inadvertently bleeding over into tasks that must be nonpolitical if the system is to maintain its credibility. Even if he were not intentionally weaponizing the DOJ against his political opponents, his direct involvement would be a red flag. Again, nothing of the kind can be said of Obama and the IRS.
Second is the fact that Trump is weaponizing the federal bureaucracy against his political opponents—explicitly so. As I documented just before the last election, he has repeatedly called for his rivals and critics to be arrested and jailed. For what, exactly? His minions will figure that out later.
This reverses the order of operations that characterizes a legitimate system of justice. As the conservative lawyer (and DOJ alum) Gregg Nunziata pointed out, "The government investigates crimes, finds those responsible, and prosecutes them. Trump would have the government investigate his enemies, find crimes, and prosecute them. This is quite literally a mortal threat to all our liberties."
To begin with a target—particularly one you've chosen for political reasons—and then go looking for misdeeds to punish is a perversion of due process. The perception that that's what was happening is what made the IRS scandal a scandal. The Soros case, where a high-ranking official is asking his subordinates to come up with a reason to subject a major donor from the other party to law enforcement action (as opposed to observing wrongdoing and following the facts from there), is just as scandalous. That it's happening in broad daylight, without shame or apology, makes it immeasurably more destructive to the legal and social order.
Finally, the ostensible rationale in this case is one that should be troubling to civil libertarians and anyone else who cares about free speech. The call to investigate Soros' Open Society Foundations followed immediately on the heels of a report by Ryan Mauro of the Capital Research Center, a conservative advocacy group, which faults the foundation for having "poured over $80 million into groups tied to terrorism or extremist violence" and recommends "various accountability actions, including federal investigations and prosecutions, U.S. State Department and Treasury Department sanctions, revocations of tax-exempt statuses of Open Society and its grantees by the Internal Revenue Service, congressional investigations, and civil lawsuits."
A closer examination shows that those supposed ties to terrorism include an awful lot of First Amendment–protected activity. For example, Mauro claims that Open Society has given millions of dollars to grantees "that have endorsed terrorist attacks like those on October 7, 2023, and/or are directly linked to foreign terrorist groups or their known front groups." In many cases, grant recipients are considered to have links to terrorism merely for having downplayed (in the author's view) the atrocities perpetrated by Hamas.
Consider this Instagram post by the progressive group 18 Million Rising, which urges "our Asian American community to join in support" for the "Palestinian people rising up against 75+ years of Israeli settler colonial violence and occupation." It features a painting of a crying mother and child bearing the words "From the river to the sea Palestine will be free."
That phrase is deeply offensive to many supporters of Israel, and understandably so. But it's still a phrase—that is to say, a textbook instance of political expression. While it's fine to criticize groups who express ideas you find abhorrent (just as it was fine to criticize people who celebrated the assassination of Charlie Kirk), using the coercive power of the state to punish such speech is another matter. And punishing someone for having a financial relationship with someone else who has expressed unsavory views is even less defensible.
In some cases, the supposed terrorist sympathizer is multiple steps removed from the grantmaking institution: According to the Capital Research Center, some grant recipients do not themselves support terrorism and may even have condemned Hamas' attack on Israel, but mere association with activists who have sided with the Palestinians is presented as reason enough to turn the U.S. government against the Open Society Foundations.
A related claim is that Soros has funded groups such as the Movement for Black Lives that "engage in or materially assist violence, property destruction, economic sabotage, harassment, and other criminality" here in the U.S. Yet few of the report's examples of objectionable behavior involve actual violence, and a considerable number amount to petty infractions and mild civil disobedience. To treat things like "using false IDs" and "revealing the identities of government agents" as "acts of domestic terrorism," as Mauro seems to do, is dubious in the extreme. To further include legal actions, such as posting bail and providing legal defenses to arrested protestors, or saying nice things about the Chinese Communist Party, ought to set off alarm bells for all those concerned with preserving a free society.
When laws are broken, perpetrators need to be brought to justice. It's fair to think that prosecutors should be doing more to respond to genuine violence, property destruction, and actions that egregiously interfere with the normal functioning of society, such as shutting down roads and bridges. But stretching the definition of "domestic terrorism" and allowing it to become an all-purpose pretextual weapon for ideologues in positions of power to use against their enemies is a massive strategic misstep in addition to being unjust.
Imagine if Democrats went after a think tank that gave a prize to Tucker Carlson because Carlson has sided with Russia over Ukraine and platformed Holocaust revisionism. Or if donors to an international pro-life organization were accused of funding the criminal activities of foreign elements because some of the group's members have been arrested for praying outside U.K. abortion clinics. Is this really a path conservatives want to go down? How does the right think things will play out next time left-wing activists—the kind who like to accuse Christian traditionalists of perpetuating a genocide against LGBT bodies—have the ear of White House senior staff?
The Capital Research Center accuses Soros of "a systemic pattern of empowering groups that glorify violence and destabilize societies." This is exactly the kind of language that might be turned against any movement protesting entrenched injustices, from the civil rights demonstrations of the 1960s to the March for Life today.
Conservatives once understood all of this. In the wake of the IRS scandal, Bradley A. Smith, a Republican former chairman of the Federal Election Commission, reflected in an op-ed on the "lesson on abuse of power" to be learned from that experience. "The real problems are first, the president and leaders in Congress should not use their power to pressure the bureaucracy to do their partisan bidding," he wrote, "and second, if you give government the tools to regulate political speech, the government will weaponize them for partisan gain by the party in power. No 'criminal' behavior is necessary."
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Lol. Really? After reason supported going after trumps lawyers? Soros id far more tied to government collusion, coersion, and funding riots.
What articles supported going after Trump's lawyers?
Is this your form of sea lioning? Sullum exists here. See their articles on false electors.
Sending false electors to try to subvert the will of the voters in an election that Trump clearly and unambiguously lost is what? A good thing?
Your accusation is nonsense, as is your paleocon idiocy on almost every issue. You have no principles, you only have a side. And anyone who dares to criticize your side is the enemy.
No wonder you love Trump.
There's no difference between legal and good.- Nelson
True, but this is a case where it is both illegal and bad. Neither reality is accepted by Jesse and the Paleocon Idiot’s Brigade.
You’re incredibly stupid and delusional Nelson. Did you know that?
Send links to the articles. It's not difficult if they exist.
I remember a tidbit from the Congressional hearings: in the request for information from the IRS, the Reps asked only for references that affected conservative organizations. It was great theater for Rs, beacsue they could make it look like a one sided IRS witch hunt, when it was in fact, the IRS doing it's due diligence in regulating tax exempt requirements - which, like it or not, are all about endorsements, which are essentially "speech."
If you want to change that, get it through Congress. I like the idea of taxiung churches like any other business. It's at least honest.
Is that when they tried to both sides because 3 of around 40 were liberal orgs?
And those leftie orgs did not ACTUALLY have any issues, it should be noted.
Fuck George Soros!
This guy gets it.
Our punster in chief, yes he does.
Georgy Swartz
The only scandal is that this did not happen a long time ago.
it created the mistaken impression that conservatives had been singled out—presumably for political reasons—when that wasn't true.
Ignoring the fantasy of the Left's reaction to the original scandal in this garbage piece, imagine you are such a pathetic, taint-slurping hack (for the fucking IRS no less) that you actually try to pretend that the IRS didn't do something that they actually fucking apologized for doing.
Does this rag have a single editor that isn't a complete and utter clown?
Actually it was true. And just because of the intended plausible deniability and having all the staff following every aspect of your will no one stood up and blew the whistle to allow the truth to come out.
However now that the curtains are being pulled back Obama started what became a complete weaponization of the US government against democrat political opponents, their friends, families and anyone associated.
That then was elevated to going after anyone on social media with dissenting opinions and conservatives in the public view enough that the democrats felt threatened.
And Soros was most likely involved and investigations need to be done to confirm who all the bad actors in and out of government that perpetuated the censorship and attacks on conservative so IT CAN NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN.
No one should be dictating to Prosecutors how they will decide the rule of law is upheld and justice is served, or not. The evidence, the observed reality that can't be denied, is the soft on crime, no bail, defund the police, open border BULLSHIT which goes against the rule of law and which has cost countless innocent people their livelihood or worse their lives
“ However now that the curtains are being pulled back Obama started what became a complete weaponization of the US government against democrat political opponents, their friends, families and anyone associated.”
Sure. Except for the repeated, immediate, and unambiguous quotes from him condemning such behavior, of course.
“ And Soros was most likely involved and investigations need to be done to confirm who all the bad actors in and out of government that perpetuated the censorship and attacks on conservative so IT CAN NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN .”
I assume you mean “ so IT CAN NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN” to conservatives only, since this is exactly what Trump is doing right now. It’s hard to take anyone seriously when they support their principles when those they like are being hurt, but don’t when those they dislike are being hurt. But the hard right is notorious for such fluid “principles”.
“ No one should be dictating to Prosecutors how they will decide the rule of law is upheld and justice is served, or not”
Once again, your lack of self-awareness and/or lack of principles is displayed. You understand that this is exactly what Trump is doing, right?
So are these actual principles you support and it’s just partisan blinders that makes you miss the reality of the Trump administration or are you a fair-weather supporter of these ideals?
Okay Nelson, you admit Obama was lying through his teeth to the world which is evidenced by what he said versus his actions and direction to weaponize government against his enemies...
You break the law and are charged regardless of who charged you, you broke the law. Versus you charge someone with fake charges created out of thin air with no crime committed. Sorry you fail to understand the difference.
Sorry Nelson but the amount of harm caused in society because criminals are arrested by the police forces that still exist and the prosecutors do not charge them and the criminals are back on the street over and over and over is the democrat Soros playbook. Nice attempt to project but you failed.
There should be reasonable articulable suspicion not due to political opposition putting forth "tips" before any investigation could be undertaken. See Terry vs. Ohio.
To answer your last question: No.
This is what years of crying foul based on little evidence does for the GOP. Now you merely need to say Soros is involved and his supporters jump in supporting him. Just merely say someone with a conservative view is a victim and they all fall in line like sheep. They created a post-truth environment for a reason. Now they are harvesting the fruits.
Fifteen years of Glenn Beck and others lying about his past and calling him names like “puppet master” and “creepy dude” has had no effect on the conservative perception of the guy. None whatsoever.
Facts are facts. Who gives a fuck about someone's opinion? Their opinion does not change facts.
Oh the irony *facepalm*
Of you making a bald assertions that everything is a lie? Ironic indeed.
By now most everyone knows the truth about Georgy Swartz aka George Soros.
A little creep albeit a very wealthy one.
Well, since he’s Jewish it isn’t surprising you hate him.
Do you have a photo of yourself that matches Walz submission to Soros photo taken in Alex' apartment? Perhaps they have something on you or worse, you are paid well to spew lies and misinformation to protect them and the extreme leftist policies forced upon people?
What lies sarc? Thought you claimed you werent a Democrat.
This is where you come in and defend the Big Boss.
But you’re totally not an extreme far left democrat.
Oh okay, you were glad to see Timmy the wilted Walz standing in submission in Alex Soros apartment after being appointed as VP?
Oh okay, you were glad to see Letica James, Alvin Bragg and other Soros supported prosecutors win election after vowing to Get Trump?
Oh okay, you are glad to project your faults and failing ideologies onto your deemed enemies in an attempt to make them look as bad as you do.
Sorry for your loss. Now the truth is being exposed and you don't like what you see and feel guilty for supporting the weaponization against your political opponents when it was happening so you try to feel better by deflecting. How sad you are.
As long as you close your eyes and deny all the stories and the many books with citeable evidence...
Which books are those, exactly? What evidence do you claim supports the contention that Soros funds terrorists?
Please recall that you claim that the Catholic Church protecting, enabling, and hiding pedophilia for at least a century didn’t make them an international pedophile ring, so an honest person with integrity would apply the same standard to Soros.
Therefore, we all know you will apply a much different, more vague, and largely circumstantial standard when you claim Soros should be investigated.
Here-a-Cleetus, are you retarded, or stupid?
You were fine when Democrats did it. We know this because anyone who criticizes Trump never criticizes Democrats. That makes you a hypocrite and makes whatever Trump does ok. Tu quoque for the win!
Boring strawman after you literally proclaim soros is clean and any accusations are lies lol.
Remember when you supported actual legal attacks against das who campaigned on getting trump? With novel legal construction?
What a raging hypocrite.
Poor stupid sarcbot.
All one needed to do was spend an hour with CNN, MSNBC, ABC,CBS,NBC and the View along with Colbert, Kimmel and Stewart and Keith Olbermann to see how the MSM and their talking heads thought of Trump.
BY the way, it looks like Kimmel is on his way out the door as ratings have plummeted drastically.
He and Colbert will both be seen in the unemployment line.
Their next gig will be as baristas for some coffee shop.
Yeah, this is terribly hypocritical...
*grabs popcorn*
Like insanely, nauseatingly hypocritical on all kinds of levels.
The "genocide against LGBT bodies" comment was worse than "trunk bears" and Norm McDonald's "Muslim backlash" comment combined.
Slade has a big sad because Trump is going after a nazi that stated his goal is to destroy the US.
"a nazi that stated his goal is to destroy the US"
Rev. kuckland, could you provide us with an internet-accessible, reliable source for this comment?
Actually in his biography Soros admitted to identifying Jews to the Nazis during WWII.
WTF? The democrats used the Stalinist tactics of show me the man I will show you the crime and put him in jail.
Is this being denied?
Next, is it not criminal to undermine the rule of law? I certainly believe it is.
When a Prosecutor wins election and instead of following the rule of law, the prosecutor took and oath to uphold, they turn away and do the bidding of the donor who gave them the campaign funds to win election.
This is what Soros has been doing and this should be a crime. How can Soros buy Prosecutors and have them do his bidding which disregards or worse completely contradicts the rule of law?
When a Prosecutor wins election and instead of following the rule of law, the prosecutor took and oath to uphold, they turn away and do the bidding of the donor who gave them the campaign funds to win election.
This is what Soros has been doing and this should be a crime.
You think all campaign donations should be illegal. Got it.
That’s not what he said, asshole.
Demjeff excels at strawmen.
Lying Jeffy lies. It’s what he does.
You think people who don’t ride trains are right wing bigots with bears in their trunks. Got it.
Stop lying Fatfuck. Although in your case that would effectively silence you.
That is not what I said. But yes, actually I do. There should be no funding campaigns, especially corporate.
But also I would remove personal, any funding of campaigns.
I'd like to see candidates provided campaign funds from the government. All candidates receive the same amount of funds to campaign with. Personal money is not allowed.
As Public broadcasting had existed these networks would provide the platform for every candidate to present their campaign platform, all with equal time. The public can view candidates presenting their platforms. These are looped so no matter what your schedule in life is you should be able to find access to listen and view the candidates to make an informed decision when voting.
Then to further things, the same public broadcasters air the debates. Debate narrators come from various media outlets and some of the questions posed are from the public like in town halls. All candidates answer the same question without interruption.
All candidates present their platform on paper. Should they be elected and do not follow their presented platform justification for the now elected individual to why they changed their position is required. If the public decides they ventured too far from their stated positions then they can raise a vote of non confidence and force another election upon appeal.
My ideas on how to include integrity and honesty and remove the deceit and corruption.
"The government investigates crimes, finds those responsible, and prosecutes them. Trump would have the government investigate his enemies, find crimes, and prosecute them. This is quite literally a mortal threat to all our liberties."
The hell else did you expect him to do when he promised to “be your retribution”? This is exactly what he promised.
But don’t compare him to a dictator, oh no. Only a Marxist leftist would criticize him for acting like Stalin.
Poor sarc.
Sarc boldly declares no crimes have ever been committed and demands no investigation.
"Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." Beria
Soviet Sates of AmeriKKKa, here we cum!!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Give_me_the_man_and_I_will_give_you_the_case_against_him
Funny thing here though... "Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime."... Does SNOT apply when "The Man" is Dear DickTator For Life!!! Stalin, Idi Amin, Trump, Mao Tse Dung, Ate-Off Shitler, Napoleon... Show THEM to their flunkies, and suddenly the flunkies mysteriously can SNOT find the crime! Funny that!!!
https://www.buzzfeed.com/michaelabramwell/reactions-trumps-tweet-about-law-violation
"He who saves his Country does not violate any Law." Said Dear Orange DickTator.
"Wants to be a dictator. If you don't see it it means you don't want to," former Trump White House Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci said.
Mussolini: “Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.”
Shitler: “The good of the state stands above the law.”
Napoleon: “I am the revolution.”
Francisco Franco: “I am responsible only to God and to history.”
Shitler: “The good of the state stands above the LAW.” For emphasis... Of all of the quotes, this one most clearly shows that Shitler and Orange Shitler are Bros... Piss in a pod, who want to piss on us all, and turn us all into Pod People!
So you mean similar to Leticia James campaigning on going after Trump, not for any specific crime, but that she'll find one to hang on him?
I was hoping that when Trump took office he'd end that practice with the exception of prosecuting for malicious prosecution.
This article is supposedly about the political weaponization of government but not a single reference to the historically unprecedented lawfare against Trump by the Biden Administration. Edited by Sullum?
Great point. Biden did it first, so that means Trump has precedent making targeted prosecutions where Trump points to his enemies and his attorneys find crimes. That makes it totally ok. It will become evil and unprecedented again when Democrats take the White House back and go after the previous administration. Trumpians will once again be the biggest victims ever in the history of victimhood.
Poor stupid sarcbot.
Wait. What was your take when Biden and DAs created fictitious legal construction yo do it? I have the citations if you forgot.
The problem with the Soros clan is not their speech, but rather their money going to support domestic terrorism and violence, voter/election fraud, and maybe campaign finance laws. Free speech is protected by the 1st Amdt, but , for example, shipping AntiFA, around the country to different riots, or even, it seems, actually hiring violent protesters is not.
Nor is investigation to see if this is, in fact, true
None of the things you just claimed are actually happening, except in the confused minds of Trumpists.
From now on in this country, we don't need police, investigations, and prosecutions. We just ask Nelson if a crime happened. If he says it didn't, then that's the end of it.
yeah....those pallets of bricks and piles of signs just magically appeared everywhere the Nazi loving terrorists were rioting around the country after Oct 7
So, proving a negative through blind assertion. Very compelling argument.
Standard Psy-Op Proceedure.
It's losing its effectiveness, though. Too many people are finding out what's really going on, hence the desperation and increased flak.
Leticia James, funded by Soros, campaigned to Get Trump. Many others did the same. Along with promising soft on crime policies and letting repeat offenders back on the street, open border sanctuary policies and defund the police initiatives.
nah. necessary this time.
What the fuck is this, liberal-tarians for globalist terrorist-supporting assholes?
[WE][D] 's did it so it's all Trumps Fault for investigating it! /s
Or maybe; [WE][D]'s just did it and it's time to pay the piper.
It isn't a scandal and you have to be ignorant and/or a lefty partisan to not see why it is justified.
Simple question. Why isn't Soros in prison? In his biography he admits to fingering Jews for the Nazis in WWII. In the 80's a man from Ohio was arrested, extradited, tried and was imprisoned because he was an 18 year old guard at an death camp. Why not Soros?
The libertarian case for Nazi war criminals.
Oh man, to be a fly on the wall at Reason headquarters when Georgie Scwartz finally dies and descends into the lake of fire to spend eternity with his master.
Goth Fonzie Woppo will cry longer and harder than anyone else there.
Religious groups did not fund or advocate violence. George Sore-Ass sure as crap did. IRS action was unilateral. Sore-Ass review will go through courts.
Not equivalent. Fuck off.
"The Justice Department's Targeting of George Soros Is a Serious Scandal. Just as it was a scandal when the IRS under Obama allegedly targeted Tea Party groups."
Wrong answer, Slade.
Soros is a self-admitted Nazi collaborator and is wanted in other countries for stock manipulation and other financial white collar crimes.
Get a clue, Slade.
Then you wouldn't make such an ass of yourself.
Soros has funded prosecutors who have gone after Trump and conservatives with bullshit criminal prosecutions.
Fair is fair. No One Is Above The Law.
The Soros/Koch man love is an open secret. Reason will defend anything Koch related including his Nazi pal. Soros has been a malevolent force ever since he was stealing gold from Jews on their way to the gas chambers. His entire history is a violation of the NAP. Prove me wrong. This is why I don't call myself a libertarian anymore.
Ask Louis Lerner if the IRS under Obama targeting Tea Party groups was just “alleged”.
Recall that there was never any evidence that Obama even had knowledge of what the IRS was up to—and that when he was told, he immediately condemned it
I even remember back in the good ol’ days some bullshit from Barry about “I just read about it in my newspapers myself!”
Passes for gospel at TeenReason apparently.
But if you give it to her it says Obama was a clueless moron who didn't know what his high level subordinates were doing.
LOL. Going after Soros for funding violent political unrest and undermining elections is a serious scandal but indicting the executives of Volkswagen for emissions that were completely normal 20 yrs. ago and are still considered harmless is just how the EPA is suppose to work!
IS not to worry, komrade Biden, Hunter that is, has probably pardoned Soros for his activities.
Signed, "Otto Penn.
You know that Volkswagon created and installed software on its cars to specifically circumvent emissions testing, right?
This “downplay actual criminal behavior while falsely accusing enemies of crimes” act is as impressive in its shamelessness as it is in its lack of honesty.
Oh bummer wasn't in on the targetting of the Tea Party, so Trump mustn't go after the people who targetted him? I would get it, except somehow, there was another Democratic Party president in between who didn't even rate a mention.
Perhaps, once the biden crime gang has been cleaned up, there can be a return to former norms, but it almost certainly won't be until after the last biden gang member has lost all influence.
Things could be worse - imagine if Supreme Court Justice garlic was on there for life, as oh bummer planned.
Soros is behind every effort possible (like bankrolling DA elections) to remake this country into a dystopian nightmare. When dealing with evil you don’t play fair because they will fuck you with it.
Follow the money. Let's see where it all goes.
No doubt the DoJ has been, helped by the DOGE wonderboys. That was much of what DOGE was doing with NGOs.
When dealing with evil you don’t play fair because they will fuck you with it.
Then how do we keep from becoming evil, ourselves? If we are actually good, we can defeat evil and still being fair without doing and becoming evil, ourselves.
I don't like Soros. But, I fear the Lavrenti Beria school of politics worse - find me the man and I'll find you the crime. I was hoping Trump would end that practice. That practice is the greater evil.
No investigation should be undertaken unless there is independent reasonable articulable suspicion that arises independently without specifically or purposefully looking at the target individual.
Beria's "show me the man, I'll find you the crime" is exactly what the real enemies of the people tried to do to get rid of Trump. And when it failed they tried to kill him, twice. Which proves they weren't merely interested in "upholding the law" by punishing him for some obscure crime. They wanted to GET HIM OUT OF THE WAY, because he was an unacceptable risk to their business as usual (or worse).
There were certainly elements of real conspiracy involved. Conspiracy of such magnitude can and most definitely should be prosecuted, and I hope there is an ongoing investigation which will ultimately lead to our knowing the whole truth of the matter. We can only hope the guilty parties have not sufficiently destroyed all links to this crime.
Whatever Trump's DOJ has in mind for Soros is still unknown at this point, but I hope an investigation will take place if reasonable suspicion is there. Unfortunately, reasonable suspicion might still be foiled by a determined criminal with all the "legal" resources of someone like Soros. Still, I believe it is known a crime exists, I don't believe this is an attempt to create one out of thin air. There is a difference, and I hope the truth will be revealed. And then, gee whiz, voting will become a no-brainer!
"Frankly, Scarlett, I don't give damn."
Progressives are totalitarian cultists.
I can equivocate over anything. But progressives are totalitarian cultists, just like Hitler who was, indeed a progressive.
Whatever Trump wants to do to them is fine with me.
Constitution? You mean that antique at the Smithsonian that progressives tell us has outlived its usefulness? You mean progressives are hiding behind the very document they ignored in order to persecute Trump? Screw 'em.
Fuck off you leftist cunt. Soros is deeply enmeshed in a web of corruption that has US taxpayers paying for the promulgation of leftist policy. That you think this is fine is an indictment of YOU.
Soros' "Open Society" is nothing more than a different name for communism.
I'm a little tired of the repetitive "just like...!" articles that Reason is committed to lately.
It's like the only two arrows left in their quiver are, "you're hypocrites" or "you're nazis." Both of which bounce off the Right like bullets off of Superman.
You have no kryptonite. And you know it. Just give up already, you're already defeated.
“poured over $80 million into groups tied to terrorism or extremist violence”
Investigations warranted. STFU
The Lavrenti Beria school of politics - show me the man, and I'll find you the crime - is the greater threat to freedom. I was hoping Trump would end the practice. Apparently, he won't.
I don't like Soros. But, in the absence of independent reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime that arises independent of any purposeful investigation of Soros specifically, no investigation should be initiated.
Don't want to get in the middle of a Uni-Party Left vs Right squabble, however it seems that during the cycles between which faction of the Uni-Party has control when the Left has power they aggressively go after the Right.
Then when the tides turn and the Right has power and begins to return the favor pursuing the Left in a similar fashion, the talking heads in the media all clamor that the Right should not pursue the shady characters on the Left. That would be all fine and dandy, except that when the Left is aggressively going after the Right, the very same talking heads in the media are silent at best, however it's common for them to call for more.
The effect is an ever inching move towards the Leftist side of the scale. While life and societies evolve, the Left has a propensity to push every boneheaded, emotionally driven, illogical, non-sustainable idea that pops into their deluded minds.
The more traditional Right, has a tendency to stop and ponder about the issues and solutions. It's not that there aren't any boneheaded characters on the Right, but if you believe the notion of a simple line , the scale is distorted from reality.
[ - - - Far Right - - - Right - - - Center - - - Left - - - Far Left - - - ]
To a comical delusion.
[ - - - Extreme Far Right - Far Right - Right - Nazis - - - - - - - - - - - Center - Left - ]
Yes, I know that Left is on the Right and Right is on the Left, which is intentional as political opinion simply can't be accurately depicted in a simple line graph. Even the Nolan political chart is overly simplistic, but light-years better than the one-dimensional left–right/progressive-conservative graph that is used nearly 100% of the time.
There should be investigation into shady political organizations regardless of their political beliefs. George Soros has funded numerous organizations that deserve being looked into to to see if they are legitimate and acting within the law. It is probably a mixed bag with some perfectly fine to others that should be exposed and prosecuted.
What should not happen is targeting anyone or any group solely based upon their political beliefs. The targeting of the Right by the IRS, was completely wrong. Those involved in the decision and the act, should be investigated and charged, not because they are part of the Left, but because they targeted people because they were from the Right.
There should not be a double standard, and unfortunately there is a double standard that is enforced by the talking heads of the media.
It is no secret the Georgy Swartz aka George Soros and his Open Society are meant to create the most chaos and destruction he can afford. His support of leftist anarchist organizations such as ANTIFA and who knows how much he gave to Black Lives matter as well as any number of other left wing Black Bloc NGOs is enough to arrest that little neo Marxist and his bastard son, toss them out of the country and seize their bank accounts, property and anything else they own in this country.
Soros is more than a PITA, he is a threat to the nation for his attempts at over throwing the government and replacing it with a neo-Marxist dictatorship.
Some people will say he isn't that big of a threat but when one has enough money to toss at all those leftist NGOs and keep them running so dangerous demonstrations and violence against ICE offices and paid rioters show up to create even more chaos, and his money is backing all this, then it's time for Trump and his agents Patel and Bongino to take action against this creature.
The greater threat to freedom is the Lavrenti Beria school of politics - show me the man, I'll find you the crime. I was hoping Trump would end the practice, even if he prosecuted prosecutors for engaging in such malicious prosecution. Apparently, he won't.
Unless there is evidence, independent of investigating Soros specifically, constituting reasonable articulable suspicion leading to Soros, no investigation of Soros should be undertaken.
I would be fine with this whataboutism if they had actually put IRS employees in jail. Otherwise it is just theater on both sides and calling to investigate Soros sounds fine to me.
1. The IRS/tea party scandal is far from the best or most recent example of lawfare or abuse under Democrats. Not justifying the Trump DOJ by any means (corruption doesn't justify corruption) but did anyone expect any different outcome after the Trump indictments, Russia-gate investigations, and everything else?
2. It's hard to paint Soros as a victim just because the DOJ is starting an investigation. Soros has plenty of ability to defend himself.
LOL "I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!" - Obama
Scandal? No. Issue for lying, totalitarian scum bags yes.
This will be resolved by evidence and the rule of law, not like the unilateral bullshit O-dumbass and buy-dumb instituted in multiple attacks.
No, it is not ok because Demon-rats did it first. It is ok, because it is an investigation of inciting and funding violence and potentially, terrorism. If this was about bombing abortion clinics, it would be ok for the left-totalitarians too. But that is NOT what they did. This is legal, and Constitutional.