The Conspiracy Theorists Who Claim Kamala Harris Really Won in 2024
Echoes of Trump's 2020 delusions are reborn in blue.
Election denial has lately come to be viewed as a feature of the political right, reflected by the lawsuits, conspiratorial documentaries, and "Stop the Steal" protests that followed Donald Trump's loss in the 2020 presidential election. But in the months since 2024, a similar—albeit much quieter—form of election denial has emerged in parts of the progressive left.
These theories range from claims that Elon Musk used Starlink satellites to hack the election to a the quasi-mystical TikTok subculture known as the "4 A.M. Club," whose members believe the timeline glitched and Kamala Harris won in a parallel reality. But the most prominent claims have been rooted in data-heavy spreadsheets and statistical jargon.
One of the most popular of these theories suggests that a 2024 National Security Agency audit confirmed that Kamala Harris won the election, a claim which gained notoriety after it appeared in This Will Hold, an anonymously published Substack. The post alleges that one of the audit's supposed participants, an ex-CIA officer named Adam Zarnowski, possessed insider information about a global cabal of corrupt actors, international criminals, foreign operatives, billionaires, and political insiders who conspired together to manipulate the election's outcome.
As The Atlantic recently reported, there is no independent verification of Zarnowski's background beyond his own claims. A LinkedIn profile describes him as a "former CIA paramilitary operations officer" but provides no evidence that he is an expert in election security or statistics. Snopes has been unable to "independently verify Zarnowski's employment with the CIA or his alleged involvement in [the] NSA audit."
The Election Truth Alliance (ETA), a self-described nonpartisan watchdog group, has used statistical models to push claims that Harris won the election. In Rockland County, New York, for example, Harris received fewer votes for president than incumbent Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D–N.Y.) did for Senate. The ETA suggests that possible election tampering can be inferred from this discrepancy.
But Charles Stewart, a political scientist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, points out that this apparent discrepancy isn't unusual and can easily be explained. Stewart attributes Harris' weaker performance to her unpopularity among the county's Orthodox Jewish voters relative to Gillibrand, as well as the broader trend of voters skipping races or voting split-ticket.
The organization's claims go further. In a recent interview with the progressive commentator David Pakman, the ETA's Nathan Taylor claimed that vote patterns in Nevada, North Carolina, and Pennsylvania illustrate a series of unusual relationships between candidate support and voter turnout. Using color-coded heat maps, Taylor asserts that his group has discovered statistical distortions similar to those seen in countries with a reputation for fraudulent election practices, such as Russia and Uganda. Using these maps, Taylor alleges that up to 190,000 votes cast in Pennsylvania may have been algorithmically shifted, which would be more than enough to flip the state.
To lend credibility to these claims, the ETA circulated a working paper by the University of Michigan political scientist Walter Mebane that used statistical techniques to examine Pennsylvania's 2024 election results. Mebane told The Atlantic that while he was aware the group had used his public methodology and data models, he had not reviewed their findings and did not endorse their conclusions.
To this day, no court case or credible audit has validated any of these claims. Independent experts have repeatedly affirmed that the 2024 election, like the 2020 election before it, was secure and legitimate. Jen Easterly, director of the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, told reporters in November 2024 that her office detected no threat that could "materially impact" the outcome, assuring everyone that "our election infrastructure has never been more secure" and that election officials were better prepared than ever to deliver a "safe, secure, free, and fair" process.
Although this is hardly the first time that members of the left have questioned an election's outcome, political scientist Justin Grimmer told The Atlantic that this behavior is also "strikingly similar" to that of those on the right who rejected the 2020 election results. "The most remarkable thing," he added, "is the similarity in the analysis that we're seeing from the bad claims made after 2020 and these similarly bad, really poorly set up claims from 2024."
David Becker of the Center for Election Innovation and Research put it more bluntly, telling the magazine that these claims "ring as hollow and grifting as nearly identical claims made by those who profited off the Big Lie that Trump didn't lose the 2020 election."
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Dems be crazy, the chicks in particular.
Democratic chicks are as stupid as they are fat and butt ugly.
Chicks be crazy, the Dems in particular.
Anyone who thinks KamKam won in 2024 is as stupid as the Trumptards who claim he won in 2020.
I remember when you "predicted" the election, the day before.
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy
"an anonymously published Substack" tersely describes what the Reason commentariat has become after inviting masked Klansmen, ICE goons and dementia-retired government gunmen to clutter the narrative with hate screech.
I feel like this weekend you were semi coherent and applaud you for that. Unfortunately, you are back to normal working condition again.
After the 2020 Biden Basement Bunko I don't believe in "Election Integrity."
Obama won because G Waffen Bush's outbreak of faith-based asset-forfeiture confiscation of homes over potted plants wrecked the mortgage backed derivatives market and collapsed the entire economy. So Obama and Shrillary proceed to enshrine and protect laws authorizing armed looters to keep robbing and shooting over plants. Suddenly, the Libertarian candidate gets 4M votes covering the gap in 13 states and Dems lose. Then they lose again when God's Fascists stab the LP but release Ross. So idiot Harris goes Harry Anslinger in a lewser hissy fit. The commie looters THREW those elections!
His hovercraft is full of eels. COMSTOCK!
Gosh. Maybe [D]emon-rats should lobby to get the elections offline, end mail-in anonymous voting, allow audits with a paper-trail and verifiable ID/attendance.
Oh wait; Those are all the things Trump is trying to do.
Wonder why there is any objection to it?
According to Kamala during a recent appearance on The View, she just needed more time.
Ctrl+f '2024': 10 results
Ctrl+f '2020': 7 results
Ctrl+f '2016': 0 results
Huh. I guess no one tried to deny the results of the 2016 election... or if they did, they haven't comey before Congress with the allegations.
Hilarious. And that doesn't include 2000, which 90% of Democrats (including two Supreme Court justices who tried to steal the election) thought was stolen despite endless debunking.
Not only did they deny it up and down, but even years later they were still planning a way for Hillary to be slotted into the Presidency.
https://www.newsweek.com/hillary-clinton-president-lawrence-lessig-post-686077
How Hillary Clinton Still Can, and Should, Become President After the Trump-Russia Investigation
108 days?
How she is justifying it. She also threw Walz under the bis claiming her was a poor debater (she nailed that). He was her pick.
The polls, however much you believe them, had her a bit ahead when the DNC selected her as a replacement to Biden in the coup after his dreadful debate with Trump. Had she only had a few weeks (say if Biden passed or was committed due to his dementia), the “Not Trump” vote might not have shifted to “Not Trump but definitely not her.” Speculation. Nobody knows. But her polling dropped the more folks saw of her.
I think the biggest single issue was the point you raised.
How can you run on a platform of protecting democracy after invalidating the primary?
No one likes being lied to, and while many people can justify that it's okay for this purposes, the obvious deception of Biden's decline, the gaslighting claims, and the rest left a sour taste in people's mouths. And the fact that a lie would be told that was about something so obvious led to a loss of trust in the DNC.
The problem with Kamala’s campaign was that Kamala was the potus candidate and Walz was the veep candidate.
And yes, the candidate selection overturning the Dem primary showed who the establishment in that party really are.
In the next campaign the Democrats should run a mystery candidate. Like one of those mystery boxes you have to buy and open to find out what is in it. They can use the same poster of a giant question mark for every election.
We know what is in it: collectivism and statism with some DEI sprinkled on top.
Didn't she also say that she picked Walz over Buttigieg because she thought it would be risky to have a gay man on the ticket?
Kamala talking to Maddow:
Maddow: "You are saying you didn't want to pick Buttigieg because it would be risky having a gay running mate?"
Kamala: "No, no. That's not true. I wanted to pick Buttigieg, but thought it would be risky having a gay running mate."
Lol.
I believe so. It could have hurt the LP candidate as he came in the rear when JoJo and Johnson before had better showings.
I was unaware that Walz wasn't gay.
When he thinks of little boys - one of his first thoughts is that he needs to get those little boys some tampons. That's pretty gay.
Echoes of Trump's 2020 delusions are reborn in blue.
And Hillary (Russia)/Trump (Illegals cost popular election), and Hillary/Trump (Birthirism) and Gore (Hanging Chads).
So all blue in the 2000s, not one Republican - Romney and McCain took the L.
Democrats did it first.
It was democrats all along.
Seriously. I'm trying to recall a presidential election in my lifetime where they didn't:
a) win
b) cry foul
Those seem to be the only two options for them. Name an election they claim to have lost fair and square? Can't.
One more thing Trump's Republican Party now has in common with the people they hate.
Still going woth the cleanest election ever government narrative? Those illegal election changes as ruled by courts didnt happen? Everything on the up and up despite democrats literally bragging about it?
Your comment might have some weight if not for the Republicans being the only ones in history to actively try to ignore an election and install an unelected president. The Ds have whined, but it was the Rs that took direct action due to their delusions and did an attempted coup.
TLDR: Stop feeding us your bullshit.
The Democratic Party ignored the results of their 2024 primary and instead of proceeding with (primary) elected Biden went with selected Harris.
It wasn't her turn.
Don't tell Willie Brown that.
You know what? I'm gonna be that guy.
Reason spends a lot of time nitpicking people on the far right-- people I've never heard of or even knew existed, and so now this article feels like a way to say, "see? We criticize bowf sidez!"
I've never even heard any of these conspiracy theories, and so my first thought is, maybe a little less time in the Reddit subgroups and a little more time just reading the DNCs policy page. But hey, it sure made a nice excuse to dedicate multiple paragraphs to "now they're being almost as bad as the right!"
The Atlantic writing about it was probably Reason's queue to chime in.
Echoes of Trump's 2020 delusions are reborn in blue.
I must add, that I actually have to give the idea that Kamala really "won" the election its due.
If you use the same math that many people on the right used in 2020, there's a certain logic to it.
2020: Ran an anemically popular candidate with Democrats who was functionally retarded and couldn't complete a sentence.
2024: Ran an anemically popular candidate with the Democrats who was functionally retarded and produced word-salad sentences.
2020: The election was *checks Time magazine* duly fortified by NGOs, Big Tech and legal maneuvering before the election.
2024: The election was duly fortified by NGOs, Big Tech and legal maneuvering.
2020: Campaign was largely scripted by ChatDNC bots with no connection to the American people.
2024: Campaign was largely scripted by ChatDNC bots with no connection to the American people.
2020: Had the uncritical support of the media.
2024: Had the uncritical support of the media.
2020: Rally attendance was completely laughable, sometimes with fewer than 8 cars in the parking lot.
2024: Rally attendance was anemic, and largely filled with paid supporters and friendly journalists.
2020: Borders were porous allowing tens of thousands of illegal immigrants who the Democrats saw as "demographic destiny"
2024: Borders were even more porous, allowing millions of illegal immigrants in who the Democrats saw as "demographic destiny".
I could go on all day. Nevertheless, Biden received more votes than any president in the 60,000,000 years of human evolutionary history. So using that formula, why wouldn't you expect Kamala to sail to victory?
The 2020 election vomited out every registration, valid or not, to whatever address was listed while 2024 did not. Having 5-10x the ballots floating about to be filled in might have had something to do with what was different
Trumps election lawyers were more established in 2024 and millions of mail in votes disappeared.
I got stupider reading that, something that many commentators here would not think possible.
No Molly, there's no way you could get stupider from that. You're quite capable of becoming stupider all on your own Dr. Retard.
That is sweet of you to say.
Yes. This is odd, but they did focus on hella obscure lefty dorks here.
Next: Do not focus on hella obscure folks at all.
I've never even heard any of these conspiracy theories
You may want to reflect upon that a little bit in order to understand the media bubble that you inhabit.
That is a hilarious comment coming from you.
I think he's trying to subtly confess to believing them.
*reflects*
Yep, no Reddit or DailyKos in my feed.
Not everybody reads Reddit, dumbass. Some of us actually try to stay away from parts of the web with child porn.
Here's the latest: Kamala Harris is actually an alien from a distant galaxy. She also blames Charlie Kirk for her loss at the hands of conservatives Kirk rallied against her so she had him offed by some of her fellow alien infiltrators made up to look like humans and with disinformation they had ties to Israel, murdered Charlie kirk.
Harris' plan for bringing in the New World Order have been set back but only temporarily. Bill Gates has a plan that will ensure the rise of the NWO by poisoning half the world's population.
Any conspiracy theory that paints Harris as a smart, crafty Machiavellian operator is DOA.
VP was the last do-nothing job so she only made herself sound retarded to get out. The ongoing retardation is just to keep the DNC from coming knocking. That's kinda the limit of crafty I can see from her.
Say Mr. Jacob R. Swartz...
Where did those 20 million Biden voters who magically appeared at 3am in 2020, disappear to in 2024?
The biggest vote percentage increase in American history, reversing a 150 year electoral trend, all for the man who even the dumbest Americans could obviously see was pants-shitting senile.
And anyone who said otherwise was immediately kicked off the internet, no appeals, or at least until Elon bought twitter.
But then in 2024 those voters all disappeared, *poof*, and Trump won a majority by both votes and in the college and took most of the states.
But of course if any of that raises questions you're obviously a conspiracy nut job.
only time I remember nobody complaining was 1988 when (R) thought they had their man in H.W. and (D) knew they did
"We have put together, I think, the most extensive and and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics." Joe Biden. 20 October, 2020.
Of course, Biden's confession is "taken out of context."
Being charitable and honest, I'd assume he misspoke. That being said, it certainly seems like he was involved in and the beneficiary of such fraud.
Being charitable and honest, I assume he shat his minimal brain matter into his diaper somewhere around 2019 and his "presidency" is the greatest political scandal in human history. That being said, fuck Joe Biden.
This article ignores all the post-election polls which show why and how Trump won. He got more people of color votes than any Republican in the past 16 presidential elections in the swing states. The main reason he got all these people of color vote was his heavy focus on pocketbook economics many of them could directly relate to, while Harris, who started strongly on this issue, switched to concentrating mainly on abortion. Guess which issue mattered more. A second reason he won is because Walz turned out to be a dud who nearly cost the Democrats Minnesota (they did lose state house control). The North Carolina or Pennsylvania governor may well have made a difference. Harris ignored presidential election politics 101 by not picking a swing state running mate when she knew she had an uphill climb going into the election. I strongly supported her and she handily won my red state county, but she still got less than 40 percent of our state vote even while we overwhelmingly passed a state constitutional amendment guaranteeing freedom of choice. It's the economy, stupid.
He got more people of color
You can just call them Colored People, since apparently you're still making those distinctions. In 2025.
Guess which issue mattered more.
Better yet, guess which issue didn't matter.
The cat's out of the bag, aron. There's no more hiding behind euphemism, illusion, or outright lies. Killing babies - like castrating children and putting male predators in female spaces - is only fashionable among the crazies anymore. Only people who think otherwise are those who never ever ever leave their echo chambers.
A second reason he won is because Walz turned out to be a dud
The funny part is how she skipped over a queer who took "paternity leave" in order to end up with the most faggoty candidate since Beta O'Rourke.
I strongly supported her
Gay.
"a similar—albeit much quieter—form of election denial" -- not similar _because_ it is much quieter, is not promoted from the top, and does not involve steps to actually change election results through non-judicial means.
In Rockland County, New York, for example, Harris received fewer votes for president than incumbent Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D–N.Y.) did for Senate. The ETA suggests that possible election tampering can be inferred from this discrepancy.
My own emails with friends circa 2021:
Pelosi tweeted: "Our election was hijacked. There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts."
Democrats are no stranger to wild claims when they lose, nor seeking extraordinary measures (see Pelosi's tweet, see Sen Boxer challenge electoral college on two different elections, see Bush/Gore, see Iowa rep candidate who wanted Nancy Pelosi to just appoint her to the House despite the certified election results...at least the Speaker had the good sense to drop that request.)
Also, in January 2017, after Donald Trump’s victory, some Democrats in Congress once again challenged the election outcome (like they did in 2000 and 2004, too). Representative Jim McGovern of Massachusetts cited “the confirmed and illegal activities engaged by the government of Russia.” Ms. Lee of California argued that Michigan’s electoral votes should be thrown out because “people are horrified by the overwhelming evidence of Russian interference in our elections.” She also cited “the malfunction of 87 voting machines.”
In this run-off election when EVERYTHING hinged on the Senate seats, I find it very hard to fathom that the Republican candidate for PSC District 4 received more votes than did 3 of the 4 Senate candidates. I have to admit the possibility that thousands of people would vote for Jon Ossoff *and* Bubba whatever his name was, and that there is a possibility that thousands of people would vote for Republican Bubba for PSC but not vote for either Republican for Senate. Sure, it's possible. I'm just dumbfounded by it, so much so that if it came out later that somehow 15 or 20k votes for Republican senators were erased but the perp forgot to erase a similar number of votes for Bubba down-ballot, it would make a lot more sense than the alternative voting patterns.
Bubba did receive the most votes for a PSC in Georgia history.