The American New Right Looks Like the European Old Right
When conservatives reject constitutional limits on executive power and foment civil conflict, what exactly are they conserving?
There was a time when the American right was conservative: appreciative of inherited wisdom, skeptical of rationalism, wary of excessive government power, and against radical change. Exemplified by figures like William Buckley Jr. and Ronald Reagan, American conservatism is, in the words of The Dispatch's Jonah Goldberg, a political philosophy that defends "the revolutionary ideals of classical liberalism."
The New Right is not interested in defending these distinctively American ideals. Drawing instead on collectivist, nationalist, and even monarchist traditions from continental Europe, this New Right seeks to wield the tools of government to advance its own social, cultural, and religious priorities. For years, the New Right, by its own admission, has rejected the tenets of classical liberalism, including individual liberty, mutual toleration, and limited government. But, following the recent assassination of conservative commentator Charlie Kirk, the New Right has doubled down on its authoritarian tendencies by reviving the cultural teachings of Carl Schmitt, one of Nazi Germany's chief legal minds.
The friend-enemy distinction, pioneered by Schmitt in The Concept of the Political (1932), first published as a journal article in 1927, sorts people by collective identities pitted in a struggle for control of the decision-making powers of society. Schmitt, who has been called the "crown jurist of the Third Reich," argued that a political community's ability to govern, or indeed survive at all, depended on a powerful executive wielding the power of the state against those who opposed the people's interests. Liberalism, be it classical or modern, challenged such Manichaean distinctions and restricted the ability of a political community to govern by centralized decree. Schmitt saw rights-based individualism, a preference for private over political decision making, and a legal order rooted in universal rules as sources of social paralysis that impeded decisive action.
As a jurist, Schmitt put these principles into action by building the legal arguments for German Chancellor Franz von Papen to rule by emergency decree during the 1932 Prussian coup d'etat. The resulting political settlement weakened the country's constitutional order and centralized power under the chancellor, giving Adolf Hitler all the tools and precedents he needed to establish himself as führer a year later. Schmitt dutifully obliged the Nazi regime as its leading legal philosopher, penning elaborate defenses of the Night of the Long Knives murders and the suspension of the German constitution. In an August 1934 defense of Hitler's actions, "The Führer Protects the Law," Schmitt railed against liberal constitutionalism's inability to "muster the courage to treat mutineers and enemies of the state properly under the law." He argued that only a führerstaat, a leader state, whose führer "creates law by virtue of his leadership…as the supreme judge," possesses "the strength and will to distinguish friend from enemy." Schmitt saw the total state of Nazi Germany and its decisive government action to crush its designated foes as a direct consummation of his theories.
Libertarians have long commented on the authoritarian streak in Schmitt's worldview. Friedrich Hayek would summarize Schmitt's career as "a fight against liberalism in all its forms," culminating in his role as "one of Hitler's chief legal apologists" in the first volume of Law, Legislation and Liberty (1973). Despite this sordid record, Schmitt has undergone a rehabilitation within the New Right, where his theories are regularly invoked to justify aggressive state action against all who are designated as "enemies."
One of the more vocal neo-Schmittians is Auron MacIntyre, podcaster and writer for The Blaze and internet popularizer of postliberalism. MacIntyre has a long-running affinity for Schmitt, describing the friend-enemy distinction as "the true essence of the political." His 2024 book The Total State denounces the classical liberal conception of democracy as America's "founding myth" and turns to Schmitt as the antidote, although he brushes aside Schmitt's Nazi affiliations as "deeply unfortunate." In the wake of Kirk's assassination, MacIntyre's podcast has transformed into a full-fledged Schmitt show.
Examples of the friend-enemy distinction abound. MacIntyre said on September 19 that "companies like Discord need to pay a severe price for going out of their way to allow an organization of terrorist networks on their platform." ISIS propagandized, fundraised, and recruited via Facebook, Twitter, and Google, but the Supreme Court rightly ruled in Twitter v. Taamneh (2023) that the social media companies were not guilty of aiding and abetting. "Social media firms do not owe a duty of care to all potential victims of terrorism even though they knew…that several terrorist organizations were using their platforms to recruit new members," explains University of Florida law professor Jane Bambauer.
Supreme Court precedent notwithstanding, MacIntyre insists that "Action needs to be taken [because] too many people are dead." He says, "We don't have time to hesitate; I do not care about your pearl clutching….A new type of politics is here, and if we ever want to go back to the other style of politics…then we have to stop the people who are trying to shoot guys like Charlie Kirk. And that's going to take some stuff that might make you queasy."
Despite this ominous remark, MacIntyre says he has "plenty of principles [which include] taking care of [his] country and [his] family and [his] community and [his] faith." To defend these principles, MacIntyre says, "we're going to need to make sure the left knows there's a cost for what they've done.…Thousands of people need to go to jail—they need to be bankrupted." Unless MacIntyre believes in punishing the innocent for crimes they did not commit, he's promoting the subversion of principles to maintain principles. He compounds this illogic with the fallacy of misplaced concreteness; "the left" didn't kill Kirk; an evil gunman did.
(MacIntyre does caveat his remarks by saying "there's nothing that [President Donald] Trump can't do under the law that he needs to get done right now." But this is cold comfort because the law can be used to excuse moral atrocities. Schmitt was, after all, a legal theorist and made a habit of defining a supreme executive as the personal embodiment of the law.)
It's unclear to whom this nonspecific plural third person extends—and that's the point. MacIntyre intends to create an us-vs.-them paradigm that subverts America's moral order of mutual respect and reciprocal recognition of rights, replacing it with a friend-enemy paradigm in which even the most outrageous abuses are justified so long as they're done to the "enemy."
This is not idle speculation: The day after Kirk's assassination, MacIntyre posted that "the specific political distinction to which political actions and motives can be reduced is that between friend and enemy," and liked a comment on the aforequoted video that ominously reads, "Friend/Enemy distinction time." (Per his own admission, libertarians fall squarely in the "enemy" bucket for MacIntyre.)
MacIntyre isn't the only New Right pundit calling for an end to a classically liberal toleration. Curtis Yarvin, the de facto founder of the neo-reactionary movement and one of MacIntyre's intellectual idols, regards the bellicose speech delivered by Deputy White House Chief of Staff Stephen Miller at Kirk's memorial service as insufficiently incendiary. Yarvin believes "It's not time to create. It's time to destroy" and asks why we can't have "an actual army" instead of a metaphorical one "in each of us." Yarvin credits Schmitt with proving the inadequacy of libertarianism's commitment to non-aggression and the rule of law. MacIntyre, in his 2024 book, also regards Schmitt as having articulated the strongest arguments against classical liberal and libertarian visions for society.
To the rest of the New Right, MacIntyre has emerged as a popularizer of Schmitt, known for adapting his friend-enemy distinction to draw a line against the dual foes of classical liberalism and the progressive left. Christian nationalist writer C. Jay Engel often directs his readers to MacIntyre's writings as a primer for applying Schmitt to the present day. Schmitt also occupies a central position in the worldview of The Martyr Made Podcast host Darryl Cooper, an amateur historian who attained notoriety for calling Winston Churchill the "chief villain of World War II" on The Tucker Carlson Show. Unsurprisingly, Cooper ranks MacIntyre among the leading pundits on the right today, stating that he "sets the tone more than most prime time cable news hosts."
Whether wittingly or subconsciously, the Schmittian friend-enemy distinction has been adopted not only by public intellectuals but also by those in positions of political authority. Vice President J.D. Vance has said repeatedly in the two weeks following Kirk's assassination that political violence is "not a both-sides problem,"and has cherry-picked survey data to argue that liberals justify and celebrate political violence against pundits with whom they disagree. He's even told Americans to snitch on those who celebrate Kirk's murder by reporting them to their employers. Trump, meanwhile, has suggested that TV networks that oppose him should have their broadcast licenses taken away, and his federal regulators have pressured ABC to cancel Jimmy Kimmel's show after the late-night talk host made light of the president's reaction to Kirk's murder.
Less extreme New Right thinkers have also begun to embrace this distinction. Two days after Kirk's assassination, Yoram Hazony, organizer of the National Conservative Conference, advised the Trump administration to "outlaw and destroy Antifa, the Muslim Brotherhood, and similar groups" because there is no "magical path to restoring domestic tranquility in America without the vigorous use of the law and law enforcement." Hazony, to his credit, has condemned Schmitt in the past over the legal theorist's Third Reich connections. More recently, Hazony has taken flak for equivocating about the attraction of racists to the New Right intellectual circles he cultivates. Indeed, MacIntyre's Schmittian sympathies and other bigotries have not precluded him from recurring invitations to speak at Hazony's National Conservatism Conferences.
America's "radical defense of classical liberalism" has made the United States exceptional. With Schmittian philosophy resurgent on the New Right, it's time for conservatives to defend our founding principles from a vicious ideology that seeks to arrogate supreme power to the state and abrogate the natural rights of the individual.
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"The American New Right Looks Like the European Old Right."
1. Why does this sound like a song from "The Who?"
2. Sounds right to me.
3. I prefer Stephen Wright.
4. Am I right or what?
3. I prefer Stephen Wright.
I'm not left like Stephen Wright, no I am right like Michael Georg Links is.
Reason: defender of RINOs, neocons, and Democrats.
They tolerate those types. They're more interested in progressivism.
When conservatives reject constitutional limits on executive power and foment civil conflict…
Conservatives aren’t shooting at progressive debaters.
Matt Welch is the one that called for a red wedding against conservative journalists. Your Matt Welch.
Hey Scumby Chimp-Chump... Liberals aren't calling for Vice Presidents to be hung, for the "crimes" of trying to live by the USA Cunts-Tits-Tuition, ass it is written! And they don't have insurrection riots.
Ass for Matt Welch, do You have a PervFected, Infected lady-boner for him?
https://mobile.twitter.com/mattwelch/status/1102654202545913857?s=12 “Now would be a good time to throw a big cocktail party in New York or Washington, and invite every single conservative writer you know. #RedWedding2”
That’s the full quote. Did Welch call for “…all conservative writers be invited to a red-wedding style mass-slaughter…”? If in your fevered dreams, he WAS calling for that, was it for the party-going writers to be the dishers-out of the violence, as the victims, or as mere spectators? If as spectators, for their amusement, or to demonstrate the real horrors of real violence to them? Or, to see MOVIES about red weddings? … Y’all LOVE to rush to judgments, without any data, don’t you? Whenever doing so, fits YOUR story line!
https://gameofthrones.fandom.com/wiki/Red_Wedding for reference
Are YOU criticizing Welch for this questionable-meaning(s) allusion? I, for one, would urge adults who want to understand the ugliness of violence and revenge, to see “Clockwork Orange”. That has ZERO to do with me threatening ANYONE!!! Hello?!?!
“Party at my place. Invite your teenaged relatives and friends. #StarWars”
Did I just issue an invitation to blow up (“I sense disturbances in the Force”) entire planets full of teenagers, using Death Stars? … Well, yes, if you hate me and my kind, and honesty means NOTHING to you, I could see you using my party invitation that way, sure…
I’m sorry that you suffer under the illusion that you know exactly what Matt Welch meant by that. There are MANY possible interpretations!
Below is my interpretation:
He meant that the conservatives should be invited to a party in which “Red Wedding” is screened for all viewers, so that conservatives (ESPECIALLY Trump-cultist conservatives) could learn exactly WHAT it is like, to be invited to a party, in order for KILLINGS to happen! And then maybe the Party of Trump Cultists will STOP inviting YOU to THEIR POLITICAL Party, in which democracy is deliberately murdered!!! (I know that it is WAAAAY too much to ask, that they should actually STOP trying to murder democracy, there in the Trump-Cult Party.)
tr;dr
Thankfully, Reason provides a mute feature. Likely from requests to avoid seeing SSqrlsy’s garbage.
For most, including me, he is always unread.
So says Scumby Chimp-Chump's Magic Tinfoil Mind-reading Hate-Hat!!! ALL BOW LOW NOW, peons, and WORSHIT Scumby the Chimp-Chump, Servant, Serpent, and Slurp-Pants of the Orange Evil One!
Again, tr;dr.
Remind me, who killed MLK ?
Then there's also Timmy McVeigh...
Shit never ceases to amaze me, how the "logic" of the brutal cave-dwellers justifies just about ANYTHING that they want to do! Hey... Timmy McVeigh was a mass murderer and a military vet and A WHITE DUDE!!! Therefore, let us send to El Salvador, without trial, for duly deserved TORTUROUS PUNISHMENT, all of the white dudes!!!
(Especially those who are military veterans ass well.)
McVeigh may have been working (unknowingly) with some feds.
SSqrlsy citing something for thirty years ago when since January 2024 Kirk was assassinated, some antifa guy shoots up an ICE facility and kills a person, tranifesto school shooter in Minnesota at a Catholic church and school, Trump gets shot in the ear by Act Blue dude, another Act Blue dude stalks Trump with a rifle, team SSqrlsy celebrates Kirk’s assassination on social media, Virgina antifa posting flyers calling for arming against ICE/Trump and the time for peace is over, and Keith Oldermann threatens someone on the right. But yeah, a guy that might have had some team R friends that also spent time orbiting the (Democratic Party founded) KKK is the “Nyuh uh” response.
Somehow, Scumby Chimp-Chump's mind-reading tinfoil hate-hat KNOWS when I have posted something... Without shit using ANYTHING except shit's mind-reading tinfoil hate-hat to peer through the gray boxes!
(Scumby Chimp-Chump is entirely TOOOO Pure and Clean (and snooty to booty) to read many of the farticles, let alone the posts of the suspected illegal sub-humans and the unclean ones. Virtuous ass all Hell and git-out, shit is!)
We're talking about current events here, not shit that happened before your dad nutted in your mom's hoo haw during a conjugal visit.
Soooo... DeNatured semi-humanoid nature has CHANGED since then? Please slurpport YOUR deranged version of shit!
Mission accomplished! I’ve now shown yet AGAIN that the hordes of small-minded “conservatives” here on these comment pages are intellectually, morally, and spiritually bankrupt! For lack of ANY factual or logical and benevolent-minded response, they variously resort to endlessly repeated lies, grade-school-level vapid insults, and even stoop so low as to encourage the smarter and more benevolent posters to commit suicide! They are indeed vapid and vile vipers!
I for one can’t STAND the idea that a casual reader here of a libertarian news and commenting site would read the vapid and vile comments, and conclude, “Oh, so THAT’s what libertarians are all about!” No, it’s just that REAL libertarians (and VERY few others) still believe in free speech, so the troglodytes come HERE, where their vile lies & vapid insults will NOT be taken down!
The intelligent, well-informed, and benevolent members of tribes have ALWAYS been feared and resented by those who are made to look relatively worse (often FAR worse), as compared to the advanced ones. Especially when the advanced ones denigrate tribalism. The advanced ones DARE to openly mock “MY Tribe’s lies leading to violence against your tribe GOOD! Your tribe’s lies leading to violence against MY Tribe BAD! VERY bad!” And then that’s when the Jesus-killers, Mahatma Gandhi-killers, Martin Luther King Jr.-killers, etc., unsheath their long knives!
“Do-gooder derogation” (look it up) is a socio-biologically programmed instinct. SOME of us are ethically advanced enough to overcome it, using benevolence and free will! For details, see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
In conclusion, troglodytes, thanks for helping me to prove my points!
Then they crucified Jesus, 'cause Jesus made them look bad! ALSO because Jesus made them look bad FOR THEIR STUPID, HIDE-BOUND TRIBALISM! "The parable of the Good Samaritan" was VERY pointed, because the Samaritans were of the WRONG tribe, in the eyes of "Good Jews" of the day.
Instead of KILLING Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., etc., we’d be better off VOTING for these kinds of people! But we will NOT, ’cause they Hurt Our Precious Baby Feelings, by giving tribalism and do-gooder derogation the disrespect that they (and we self-righteous tribalists) SOOO thoroughly deserve!
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He is a heckler’s pedo.
Reason gave us a mute feature specifically due to SSqrlsy.
Scumby Chimp-Chump's Magic Tinfoil Hate-Hat specifShittically gave Scumby a VERY SPECIAL feature whereby Shit could MUTE shit's conscience!!! Shit's a GOOD thing, though, that Scumby Chimp-Chump's Magic Tinfoil Hate-Hat lets shit Magically peer right through the gray boxes to see when it happens, that it's actually Scumby Chimp-Chump's conscience that actually TALKS to Scumby Chimp-Chump's rudimentary mind, now and then! There IS hope for the dope!!!
There was also a dearth of Republicans justifying it, much less celebrating it.
Just sayin'.
Some guy that was a supporter of George Wallace (D). More than fifty years ago. Though the Ming family isn’t convinced that James Earl Ray was the assassin. Hoping Molly can shed light on how it was Trump.
You have to go back 57 years for an example of right on left? While the example for left on right is how many hours?
"Hang Mike Pence" and "Execute General Milley" is far more recent. Has Dear Orange Evil One changed shit's stripes since then, and if so, please show your homework!
(Also there are extra-judiciary, summary murders of non-violent travelers on the high seas, to be explained, very recently.)
Given who was supporting civil rights vs against does it even map out the way LB things? Democrats killed MLK and Charlie Kirk.
Demon-Craps may have killed MLK and Mahatma Gandhi, and maybe the Easter Bunny too, butt shit was RepooplicKKKunts who killed Jesus of Nazareth!
Is that the most recent one you've got?
Funny thing is though - MLK was not a Progressive. He's actually hated by Progressives because he opposed identity politics and the worship of victimhood.
Though funny enough, Ray was a strong supporter of Wallace - a Democrat. Its amazing how little the Democrats have changed over the years.
They haven't changed. They are the same hateful racists just in a different manner.
ML who?
Lol. Ok, boomer.
Progressives, socialists, and liberals aren't shooting at conservative debaters.
Oh. It is the right causing leftists to murder people. Got it.
Just as short skirts cause rape, obviously.
Or they could say that we do not tend to duck quickly enough.
Just ass politically "wrong" speech brings down the WRATH of Trumpist, Trump-Shit Speech Cuntrol from Government Almighty, right, right-wing wrong-nut?
Jesus Chirst, Reason. Get a fucking clue.
Jesus "Chirst" says...
"Go get a fucking ROOM, mindless butt Pervfected Slurpporter of Dear Orange Satan!"
Twat what exactly are they (cuntsorevaturds) conserving?
Not democracy! Not individual freedoms! Not free speech! Not free markets!!!
The ONLY things Trumpistas want to cuntserve are... POWER for themselves, and FANTASIES of Equal Access to Queen Spermy Daniels!
Yawn. tr;dr
So, the "new right" literally are literal Nazis?
And, are you actually shocked that -- after decades of name-calling, demonizing, being told that "you're the enemy," even assaulted, robbed/looted, vandalized, and outright murdered by the left -- the "new right" is adopting their tactics and "fuck you!" mentality??
I'm more shocked that it took this long.
Indeed. It's mind-boggling that anyone ever questioned their dedication to tolerance and acceptance. At every slap, they'd turn the other cheek.
Now they're tired of it, and hitting back.
Now they're tired of it, and hitting back.
Really more of a "If you keep hitting me, I'll get angry and you won't like me when I'm angry."
It's not like Carr did anything remotely as actionable let alone in excess of what was done over a "wardrobe malfunction".
Altruist Totalitarian puts the Horst Wessel Lied on the Victrola...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0gMdJw7cxQ&t=47s
That's the line they're going with and even with all that motivation for the right this take is still extremely inaccurate and dishonest.
The political system in Germany was weakened in 1932?
It was effectively dead then. It was weakened LONG ago when Ebert was able to rule via emergency decree.
In '32, Germans were quite aware their political system was on its deathbed.
And given how terrible our government system, what exactly would you want to CONSERVE?
And an ENTIRE column to bitch about Auron McIntyre? Is it because of his "You don't hate journalists enough" mantra? Because he is 100% right.
I love how nobody on the Left is a concern for Reason.
Basically. your objection to the article is that you feel that Reason is condemning friend/enemy thinking and is calling you an enemy, when you're the friend and Reason and others (the Left, etc) are the enemy. This article is so unfair.
Your lack of objection to the clearly biased article is your reliance of leftist narratives and being retarded shrike. Pedophilia may be in play too.
My main objection is that Jacob Sullum is wasting oxygen that could be used by somebody remotely useful. He should correct that.
He is also historically a moron.
And all of this to bitch about Auron McIntyre, who is more of a man than he.
Then again, a newborn girl is more of a man than Sullum.
Why do you and others bother to come to Reason, open a Sullum article, type "JS:DR" and then keep discussing the JS article?
Exactly. They think “JS:DR” is witty, but it’s just like a child sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting “I can’t hear you.” So you didn’t read it — big deal.
Why do you talk to your parents after your mom's cruel alcohol consumption while you were in utero.
Muted.
They have yet to do any digging into Soros, antifa, or any of the activist groups on the left. Instead they are haunted by the shadows of neonazis and obscure individuals they claim lead the right.
How dare Reason publish an article opposed to authoritarian thinkers? How dare Reason make connections between modern American authoritarians and a Nazi-era authoritarian?
To adapt something said about anti-Semitism, MacIntyre et al are the disease of which they purport to be the cure.
One day you and reason will realize youre the guy in the "are we the baddies" sketch.
They do not care. They LIKE being the baddies.
>How dare Reason make connections between modern American authoritarians and a Nazi-era authoritarian?
Reason is not doing that though.
1. Reason is only calling *conservatives* out - they're still giving a pass to the authoritarians of the Left. You know, the ones who actually riot, shoot people, and clamp down on speech using the actual force of government.
2. Reason is also giving a pass to all the *non-Nazi* authoritarians from the same era. You know, the ones that wanted to do the whole 'national socialism' thing where the state controls everything.
3. Reason continually frames it as a 'fascism vs freedom' issue when its always been 'national' socialism or 'world' socialism - but state control of everything remains the core plank.
Any political philosophy has to acknowledge reality. Otherwise, it's just an academic exercise akin to counting angels on the head of a pin. And one, rather obvious, reality is that classical liberalism is and has been dead for years. Classical liberalism was an ideology predicated on a bourgeois society, where the bounds of the political were defined by the Western tradition and Judeo-Christian values (even if imposed, as in the case of some East Asian polities, externally, although how liberal such an imposition is in the first place is open to debate). But, bourgeois society has been supplanted by managerial technocracy and the Western tradition and Judeo-Christian values are hardly a baseline anymore, even in, well, Western Christiandom. And, make no mistake, those changes have been largely cheered on by the staff at Reason.
But, given those changes, the right playing the game of classical liberalism is a fool's errand to essentially neuter it. Civil, reasoned discourse anchored on broad shared principles is a wonderful idea. It's laughable if there aren't broad shared principles. It's admirable to eliminate a friend-enemy distinction. It's insane if your opponents aim for your death (as in the case of the Branch Covidians, those cheering the murder of Brian Thompson, or Charlie Kirk). A marketplace of ideas is a beautiful thing. But, how do you claim a marketplace of ideas when there is a vast coercively imposed infrastructure actively subsidizing certain ideas in that marketplace?
The American New Right might very well sound like the European Old Right. But, that rests mostly on their disagreement with a politics predicated on classical liberalism. But, that's coming from two different perspectives. The European Old Right was opposed to its inception. The American New Right recognizes its passing. Telling the New Right they're duty-bound to hold up it's moldering corpse as if it were Weekend at Bernie's is only nominally different from rooting for the very Left that killed that very classical liberalism.
The only thing wrong with classical liberalism is that it doesn’t excuse those who seek power for power’s sake. Because of this it is naturally rejected by power seekers and their defenders. The political right used to preach skepticism of power. Now they crave authoritarianism just like the left.
As I’ve said before, the political left and right are a circle that meets at authoritarianism, and that is what both sides have become.
Considering your typical hypocrisy, you really aren't one to talk here.
For someone who so regularly claims others are engaged in logical fallacies, you're pretty quick to jump to ad hominem. Your argument accuses anyone skeptical of classical liberalism as a panacea as secretly being in pursuit of power. Of course, I cited multiple limitations that you couldn't even be bothered to address.
In all, I'd give your response a D+. But, I'm a generous grader.
You obviously don’t know what ad hominem means. Though you do know how to set fire to a strawman.
Be serious for a moment. What happened to the American tradition of skepticism of power? It was rooted in classical liberalism, right? Is rejection of classical liberalism a result of careful thought, or because it conflicts with a lust for power? I’m going with the latter.
I know perfectly well what ad hominem means. Asserting those who disagree with you are power seekers rather than addressing their actual arguments certainly fits that category.
How much straw can you possibly pack into those men?
The left-wing is schizophrenic.
"Conservatives are Nazis!"
"Also, we're concerned that Conservatives aren't Conservative enough anymore."
"Why can't they go back to being less imperialistic, dynastic/appointed-for-life authoritarians like George Bush II?"
Both force initiating altruist mobs are the same thing, same square of the Nolan Chart. It's Lilliput and Blefescu all over again, terrified that a Third party with spoiler votes might teach folks how to break an egg in the middle.
Yeah, just keep pushing that narrative.
When conservatives reject constitutional limits on executive power and foment civil conflict, what exactly are they conserving?
Your first mistake is conflating "right wing" with "conservatives". The New Right definitely does not consider themselves "conservative", in fact, given their failure to conserve even so much as the ladies room, conservatives are primarily held in contempt.
This is exactly as it should be. What would anyone who considers themselves right wing want to conserve from this sorry mess? Exactly what would they conserve, gay marriage and Drag Queen Story Hour?
Basically. Conservatives are useless eunuchs. They should just be called Jacob Sullums.
America's "radical defense of classical liberalism" has made the United States exceptional.
Unfortunately, these days large parts of it are mostly exceptional because they're unsafe to leave your house after dark. If your idea of fweedom is having your streets ruled by perverts, parasites and criminals, giving the authoritarians a second look isn't the worst idea.
As long as an illegal can own a food truck, he feels we have enough freedom.
No, he doesn't believe the illegal *can own* a food truck - but the illegal can front all the money and take all the risk while making barely any money so Nicastro can maintain his standard of living with cheap street food.
That some criminal syndicate is actually going to own the truck and the workers will be effectively slaves does not bother these people.
True. Reason, like Democrats, do like their slave labor.
Today on arguing with idiots, Reason offends Trumpians and Trumpians blame the left. In other news water is still wet and dogs still bark. More at eleven.
The Dems did it first!
Actually, the dogs don't bark anymore. That just attracts hungry Haitians.
I guess my neighborhood needs more Haitians.
I can't wait.
They keep trying to make these same fringe dorks avatars of the Right because they know that the real "New Right" is basically every male not living on a coast. It must also be terrifying for them to know that the "New Right" isn't actually right wing, they're just "sick of your shit."
Readers will observe these Volk omit from membership the females their platforms vow to enslave.
I'm torn here between two critiques. One I allude to above by my straw-man query. It seems you're picking out the most odious of stances that can still be taken seriously intellectually, and then drawing the most tenuous of connections between the contemporaries you really want to criticize and these ghosts.
At the same time, though, I have to ask, how far would you want things to go before you stop insisting we sell the enemy the rope? Does it not seem plausible that down the road a bit, possibly not far, it'll be time to fight dirty?
I'd pay royally for a ringside seat to watch commie collectivists and Jesus nazi collectivists go at it with short knives, biting and gouging optional. Their preferred challenge is "let's y'all and them fight." The original LP motto was Live and let live.
"collectivist ... monarchist"???
WTF... Are you joking?
The left has and will always be the collectivists moron.
Nothing but Leftard Self-Projection 101.
Collectivism isn’t left or right.
Bullshit. Collectivism is very much of the left, fuckwit.
Ackshully, it's both, AND wrong. Adopt the enemy's language and monofilament single-variable metric and you've lost.
If ever there's a real war going on, you won't know it — or at least if you do know it, one side or both are doing it badly. A real war now, done by those who are competent, would be one of stealth: lots of killings, maimings, and destruction that will be made to look like accidents or from natural causes. Poison will come heavily into use. It'll look just like normal life, with a lot of people being "unlucky". People who think the killings, etc. are deliberate will be dismissed as paranoid.
Seriously, why would assassins, arsonists, etc. want to call attention to themselves instead of just having their little secrets?
The fact that it made news is proof that it wasn’t part of a conspiracy. That actually makes some sense.
You seem blissfully unaware that today's "conspiracy theory" is tomorrow's facts.
Because real people are not actually capable of working that efficiently and competently. You can see that every day in every part of society.
Even in cuthroat environments (like big tech) you see morons fuck things up for the group out of incompetence and greed.
Truth is they did. Search Google news archives for "anarchist". The server trots out a string of communist madmen not competent at assassination or arson, but perfectly suited for stretching a rope.
I've personally never heard of the McIntyre guy. Could be because I'm not well read or could be because he's not a particularly influential individual. Don't know. But apparently he has taken over the new right (whatever that is) and it is now a new Nazi party. Turns out a book written a century ago is the catalyst. Can't really say because, again, I'm not that well read. In any case the authors are convinced that the Kirk assassination has unleashed a terrifying illiberal movement and this McIntyre guy is in charge. I'm not sure. A couple hundred thousand people showed up for Kirk's funeral and not a single shot was fired. There were no riots. No friend/enemies were harmed. Thousands more showed up at local events and the only violence involved came from protesters celebrating the assassination. If these New Right villains are organizing a violent resistance they sure suck at it. Reason has been obsessing about Christian nationalists and the New Right for a long time. It's always been tedious but it's just getting silly at this point.
They're trying very hard to gaslight what the right is when I'd say they have much less exposure and understanding of the right than most readers. The right likes Trump because he is willing to bend rules and break norms to push back against the insanity of the left. Conservatives haven't abandoned conservative princies, but are happy to see awful practices be reversed. Classical liberals haven't abandoned their principles but instead are protecting them from the aggressive onslaught of the radical left. It isn't that the right has become illiberal, but that it is realizing they must use power when they have it. The left has been waging war since at least Obama and these writers seem to only be upset when the right joins the fray in a more reserved fashion.
>When conservatives reject constitutional limits on executive power and foment civil conflict, what exactly are they conserving?
Couple things here
1. What has the Left been doing?
2. The European Left rejected consitutional limits a hundred years ago. None of those countries have any limits on what their government can do except for the limits *imposed on government by government* and which can (and are) changed as soon as they're inconvenient.
3. The American Right is not fomenting civil conflict - they are responding to the fomenting the American Left has been doing for 15 years now.
Its the same shit - the Left wants to change something and if the Right doesn't allow them to change it and then fight to 'conserve' it the Right is accused of 'making a culture war'.
Its like if Russia invaded a country and you whined that that country then defended itself.
3. The American Right is not fomenting civil conflict - they are responding to the fomenting the American Left has been doing for 15 years now.
Not 15. Since the counterculture 1960s. 15 years is simply the counterculture becoming the mainstream culture and picking up speed.
Also, Nicastro, do you understand that it was the European *Right* that fought the Nazis and opposed the communists?
Not the European Left - who, like the American Left of the time - were fascinated with Italian Fascism.
Typical that these pundits STILL haven't read Hitler's 1920 platform. Most of its planks are woven into God's Own Prohibitionist platforms. Dems likewise scrape slightly different socialist platforms for their screed, striving to weaken the defenses of everyone except communist dictatorships. Yet both are still in the same anti-rights, pro-aggression square of the Nolan Diagram. The authors cleave to the monofilament with Hitler at one end and Stalin at the other. The center of that line holds those without integrity: conservatives too chicken to go full nationalsocialist and Fabian communists too foppish for guillotines and arson. Libertarians and objectivists have a quadrant distinct from all the looters'.
Needs moar Comstock.
Very compelling for utter nonsense.
The problem is that the Democrat and Republican parties are both comprised of contradictory factions that for the betterment of the country should fragment into multiple honest and ideologically consistent parties.
The Democrat and Republican parties are more of a uni-party where either the Democrats or Republican wings play the controlled opposition role where they slowly see-saw the country towards an all powerful federal government and limit the rights of the citizens.
Already the United States federal government is the largest in the history of the world. If you keep believing the farce of our "Two Party" system, you will lose the republic and our god given rights.
Every one should vote, but no one should vote for the uni-party. Stop buying into the propaganda that this election is the most important election in our lifetime, so you have to pick one wing of the uni-party over the other wing of the uni-party.
Vote for any other party, just not either wing of the uni-party. Hopefully some of the factions will breakaway from the uni-party and form as multiple honest and ideologically consistent parties.
No. Popular ideology is one of the worst things for individual liberty. The fact that Americans tend to be non-ideologic, and that the major parties haven't been consistently ideologic, is one of the things that's kept politics and public policy in the USA from being far worse, far faster, than what you're complaining about.
Most ideologies are authoritarian, and even those that start out libertarian tend to corrupt themselves at least somewhat in authoritarian directions. We are much better off in that for most of history Americans have tended not to have persistent sociologic ideas, and not to organize along lines of broad agreement thereon.
Consider for instance how quickly the faction we eventually called Democrats morphed from the pro-freedom to the literally (!!) pro-slavery party, at least in terms of their most influential wing. And it's been no better for parties that were organized to oppose foreign domination. The anti-authoritarians wind up mirroring what they oppose, so it's a good thing they've been split up into an ostensible "uni-party" that would be much worse were they formally united in a single one of them.
I've been thinking about this more; and I believe that what is happening is that those on the Left are casting about for easy criticism of the Right. They look to those who believe the opposite of what they believe and they find these doofi.
BUT, here's the thing. These guys are extremists and do not really represent anyone. But they are the mirrored reflection of the position of these critics on the Left.
Oopsie.
WHO or WHAT is the "NEW RIGHT" and who belongs to it? Until I get an answer, this entire article is a straw man and a way to hammer innocent conservatives who have never thought the way you describe and never will.
REASON is really sucking canal water these days.
When conservatives reject constitutional limits on executive power and foment civil conflict, what exactly are they conserving?
The fact that you read this apparently under the assumptions of "There are no socially or fiscally liberal conservatives." *and* "Conservatives are the only ones doing this." is part of the problem.
If free speech only defends lying and verbally and intellectually abusing people the way you do, you cannot interpret The Constitution into forcing them, Conservative, Liberal, Independent, or other, to value it except to become the monster you're supposedly trying to fight.
Schmitt was an evil man, known for attempting to justify Adolf Hitler's dictatorship. His ideas are the antithesis of the ones our nation was founded on. I don't like "cancel culture", but anyone who seriously favors Schmitt's ideas has no place in the United States of America, and certainly not to any part in its governance.
"When conservatives reject constitutional limits on executive power"
The constitutional limits on the federal government have been rejected continually over the past 170 or so years. There's nothing "new" about this, from any political party. I continue to criticize it but at what point does maintaining a pretense become a bit farcical?
"and foment civil conflict"
Um, what?
"what exactly are they conserving?"
What have conservatives ever conserved? Their positions are whatever the other side held 20-30 years ago. Below is a quote from 1897.
"This [Northern conservatism] is a party which never conserves anything. Its history has been that it demurs to each aggression of the progressive party, and aims to save its credit by a respectable amount of growling, but always acquiesces at last in the innovation. What was the resisted novelty of yesterday is today one of the accepted principles of conservatism; it is now conservative only in affecting to resist the next innovation, which will tomorrow be forced upon its timidity and will be succeeded by some third revolution; to be denounced and then adopted in its turn. American conservatism is merely the shadow that follows Radicalism as it moves forward towards perdition. It remains behind it, but never retards it, and always advances near its leader. This pretended salt hath utterly lost its savor: wherewith shall it be salted? Its impotency is not hard, indeed, to explain. It is worthless because it is the conservatism of expediency only, and not of sturdy principle. It intends to risk nothing serious for the sake of the truth, and has no idea of being guilty of the folly of martyrdom. It always when about to enter a protest very blandly informs the wild beast whose path it essays to stop, that its “bark is worse than its bite,” and that it only means to save its manners by enacting its decent role of resistance: The only practical purpose which it now subserves in American politics is to give enough exercise to Radicalism to keep it “in wind,” and to prevent its becoming pursy and lazy, from having nothing to whip.”
"against radical change. . . . defends 'the revolutionary ideals'"
Bit of a contradiction there?
"MacIntyre does caveat his remarks by saying "there's nothing that [President Donald] Trump can't do under the law that he needs to get done right now." But this is cold comfort because the law can be used to excuse moral atrocities. "
This is incoherent. I thought the problem was the rule of law and strictly following the constitution? Now it's, ohh maybe they are following the law but it's a moral atrocity. Which is it?