SCOTUS Is Now Poised To Overrule Humphrey's Executor, a 1935 Precedent Limiting Presidential Power
The Supreme Court will soon review the president’s authority to fire “independent” agency heads.

In 1935, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously held that President Franklin Roosevelt acted illegally when he tried to fire an anti-New Deal commissioner from the Federal Trade Commission (FTC). The FTC "cannot in any proper sense be characterized as an arm or an eye of the executive," declared the Court in Humphrey's Executor v. United States. "We think it plain under the Constitution that illimitable power of removal is not possessed by the President in respect of officers of the character of those just named."
But that was then. More recently, the Supreme Court has all but announced that Humphrey's Executor faces imminent judicial execution, an outcome that would allow President Donald Trump (and every president who succeeds him) to fire "independent" agency heads at will.
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This week, the Supreme Court basically penciled in the date of execution when it announced that it will hear arguments in December in Trump v. Slaughter, the case arising from Trump's efforts to fire FTC commissioner Rebecca Slaughter, a Democratic appointee. The key question before the justices in the Slaughter case is this: "Whether the statutory removal protections for members of the Federal Trade Commission violate the separation of powers and, if so, whether Humphrey's Executor v. United States, should be overruled."
In the meantime, the Supreme Court has voted 6–3 to allow Trump's ouster of Slaughter to go into effect while the case moves forward, a strong indication that a majority of the Court plans to rule in favor of Trump on the merits later in the coming term.
This kind of final showdown over Humphrey's Executor basically became inevitable as soon as Trump tried to fire an FTC commissioner, since it was that very same act by Roosevelt that led to the 1935 precedent.
For Roosevelt, the inability to remove "independent" agency heads who dissented from his New Deal agenda was an outrage that he never got over. According to Robert H. Jackson, who served as both solicitor general and attorney general under FDR (and was later appointed by Roosevelt to a seat on the Supreme Court), "I really think the decision that made Roosevelt madder at the Court than any other decision was that damn little case of Humphrey's Executor v. United States. The President thought they went out of their way to spite him personally."
In fact, according to the great New Deal historian William E. Leuchtenburg, Humphrey's Executor was such a stinging defeat for FDR that it helped to inspire his notorious court-packing plan. "The Humphrey ruling," Leuchtenburg wrote, "went far to persuade the President that, sooner or later, he would have to take bold action against a Court that, from personal animus, was determined to embarrass him and to destroy his program."
FDR and Trump are not typically seen as ideological compatriots. But their shared vision of broad executive power is certainly evident here. What is more, Trump is now poised to exact the kind of bloody vengeance on Humphrey's Executor that Roosevelt could only dream about.
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There is no provision in the Constitution for an "independent agency".
Yes that's the problem. FDR was a horrible president but that doesn't mean he was wrong about this.
Likewise there is no provision in the Constitution for the Executive to have the power to overturn Congressional legislation.
And fwiw the idea of an independent agency is by no means a terrible one.
So Congress can pass any legislation it wants, no matter how unconstitutional?
You are also arguing that because your preferred end is preferable, the unconstitutional legislation should be accepted by the courts. So much for rule of law.
So Congress can pass any legislation it wants, no matter how unconstitutional?
No. But the overturning of legislation lies with the courts not the executive.
So much for rule of law.
Hahaha!
What is the oath of president retard? Does he have a constitutional duty?
Congress always has the final word. If a law they pass is thrown out by the courts, they can overturn the courts' decision by passing new legislation or amending the Constitution. If a President refuses to enforce a law, they can impeach and remove him. That they decline to use those powers doesn't mean they're powerless.
The President is duty bound to not enforce unconstitutional laws.
Then it’s up to Congress to impeach/remove or make a case to the SC that the law is not in fact Unconstitutional.
Hey SGT, I'm interested in seeing you flesh out this idea that this is unconstitutional. If you meant the whole idea of a FTC or the notion that congress can delegate it's authority is unconstitutional, I'm on board and you can ignore the rest of my comment, but my understanding is that's not at question here.
I'm admittedly naive to this Humphrey's Executor decision, but it seems to me that this is the common case of congress giving away it's authority to the executive. If they do so with a stipulation: that the president could appoint commissioners, but only fire for "efficiency, neglect of duty, or malfeasance in office" then that's their prerogative.
Having said that, I acknowledge the question does remain whether or not the law does limit the president to firing for "efficiency, neglect of duty, or malfeasance in office."
I don't claim to have any solution with the current setup. I only claim the current setup is a confused mess, and shows the hypocrisy of pretending the rule of law provides clarity and objectivity. That ought to be clear just from having split decisions by appeals courts and the Supreme Court, circuit splits, and reversing precedents. But people still pretend we have rule of law, when it all comes down to rule of men interpreting the written and unwritten laws willy-nilly. Lawyers will never admit rule of law is a fraud.
Got it. Thanks!
Personally, I don’t think Congress can or should set up bureaucratic agencies that are neither Legislative nor Executive.
No, it's not a terrible idea...but it's not laid out legally. Arms of government not legally specified as to lines of authority and bases of operation...terrible idea.
The oath to the constitution retard.
If Congress passes a law to kill all retards loke you, the executive would not be required to enforce it until courts stepped in.
I love how you morons dont realize congress is also bound by the constitution. They can and have passed unconstitutional legislation. Yet you demand the executive execute it.
There's no provision in the Constitution for SCOTUS to be the final say in interpreting the law.
Well, that was understood then and now to be part of judicial power. There was ample precedent. Humprey's Executor made clear that executive power did not extend that far.
This remains false as Humphreys actually overrode parts of Marbury v Madison where the courts recognized the separation of powers dumdum. Humphrey impedes on that separation dummy.
Humphrey's Executor made nothing clear, as should be clear from the disputes continuing ever after. You once again pretend the rule of law is clear, when your example shows the opposite.
Exactly. If an agency isn’t Legislative or Judicial, then it’s under the purview of the Executive, as most agencies are. They execute the laws passed by Congress, and the head of the Executive is the only elected official in the Executive Branch. Therefore, they answer the said head of the Executive Branch, the President.
Here you go:
Art1 Sec10 - No State shall, without the Consent of Congress,... enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power That sort of interstate compact/agreement has ZERO control/direction by the Executive branch. Congress structures that so that states cannot impinge/nullify federal authority - unilaterally, in agreement with others, or in concert with the Prez. IOW - we are a federal republic - not a confederation or a monarchy.
For any honest libertarian, this SHOULD be how most independent agencies are structured (directly or implicitly) if the enumerated authority of the Constitution is not directly encompassed by that legislation. But Diogenes never found an honest libertarian.
The other significant restraint on the Prez arise from their explicit oath of office - Article 2 Sec 1. The circumstances of that oath are not explicitly stated - but every Prez from Washington to and including Trump takes their oath - at Congress - administered by a judge. Based on a very long history of the opposite being done by the King/etc. Not to 'the people'. Not to God or a Pope. Not self-administered. That means that the oath itself defines and limits the scope of Article 2.
Congress cannot redefine the enumerated parts of Article 1. That would require constitutional amendments. Even more so - Prez cannot expand his enumerated authorities in Art 2. That is constrained by both the Constitution AND his oath of office. His only explicit relevant authority here in Art2 is he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices. He does NOT have the authority to hire/fire them. Merely to insist that they be transparent to him so that those departments are not deemed part of the legislative branch. HE cannot go beyond that though 'defiance of Prez' is certainly grounds for a shit-throwing contest of wills. No matter how much the monarch-worshippers of the R's and SC wish that to be.
Below Cabinet level, he may hire/fire but only to the explicit limit that Congress allows - but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
That doesn’t say what you think it says, J(ew)free.
That’s not saying they can set up an independent agency. At best it’s saying that Congress gets the final say when a State (or several States) “enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power”.
Independent doesn’t just mean the President isn’t involved. Jesus H Science.
What do YOU think 'independent agency' means? It precisely means the President does NOT have the authority over it that Cabinet executive departments have. Derived from the specific provision within the Appointments clause of the Constitution (Art2, Sec2):
but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
EVERYTHING created by that provision is, constitutionally, an 'independent agency'. Even if Congress explicitly authorizes the President alone to appoint the inferior officers of that agency. The Prez himself is very limited in his authority outside the Executive Office of the Presidency (which is a PERSONAL office not a real executive office) and the role of CinC.
And even your interpretation of the interstate compact form is wrong. Congress doesn't get 'the final say' over an interstate compact. It entirely STRUCTURES such a thing and creates the authority to cooperate. Absent that structuring, states have zero authority whatsoever to 'cooperate' among themselves. This is not an issue of common law where states are allowed to cooperate assuming they aren't specifically prohibited from doing so. They are prohibited from doing so. That said of course - we don't do interstate compacts much even though that form could handle everything from cabinet depts like Education - to programs like Social Security - to elements of 'defense'/'emergency' like public health or FEMA.
BTW - if we were a parliamentary system, then the appointments clause provision might read something like
but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, within a Congressional committee or committee-of-the-whole, or in the Heads of Departments.. That would basically render all agencies dependent - on Congress.
“What do YOU think 'independent agency' means?”
In their current form, they are neither Legislative or Executive. That is patently obvious as Congress lacks the authority to execute the laws (hence creating “independent executive agencies”) while simultaneously saying that the executive can’t fire employees or heads of such agencies.
No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any Duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.
So your contention is that consent means control? In a federalist system where each state is a separate sovereign that have come together to form a Union.
I'd love to see an explanation about how the LEGISLATURE can make an EXECUTIVE branch agency that the executive has zero power over it.
Congress could make it a LEGISLATIVE agency, but it would lack the access to the executive branch.
Please explain how the legislature can create an executive agency that the legislature has zero power over.
I've already explained above how, constitutionally, the legislature is authorized to create what it has created - literally an agency that is independent of presidential control. Let me separate those clauses by line:
but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers,
as they think proper,
in the President alone,
in the Courts of Law,
or in the Heads of Departments.
It is Congress and only Congress that authorizes that appointment authority. And that is a power of Congress that is explained within Article 2 and specifically (see the word 'but') as a limitation on the President's appointments clause powers.
I am by no means a constitutional scholar, but the plain language "in the President alone" implies the President must be involved. Unlike the Legislature or Courts, the president IS the Executive. If it doesn't involve the President, it is not part of the Executive.
You do not touch on the argument that functionality of the role has changed, including more executive power, and thereby changing the President's standing to fire.
I have no idea what you mean. "Functionality" is a quality of a thing, an attribute that makes it "function" better. What attribute of the Presidency has changed that makes it function better?
A federal employee should be under the judicial, legislative, or executive branch with most falling under the latter. Any position considered “independent” should be eliminated yesterday.
Be fair, Damon. Well, before Trump, many conservative and libertarian critics wanted Humphrey’s Executor overturned because they wanted to weaken the power of administrative agencies and make them more responsive to the political process. There are legitimate arguments to be man on both sides, and points to the underlying dilemma. One cannot limit presidential power without strengthening administrative agency power, and vice versa.
This is the argument (or arguments) Root should be making. The endless expansion of executive power is terrible, and he's right to point it out. But you can at least say mose people are voting for it. Nobody voted for the administrative hacks, and their unchecked power has been growing for decades.
Humphrey executor expands the unelected bureaucracy, not the executive. This brings them back under the executive.
And fans of democracy should favor presidential power here. The President being the only elected person in the executive branch.
Disagree. There is a concept in Swedish law/governance called ministerstyre that is illegal. It means that while the ministers/executives/legislature set policy they are prohibited from interfering in actual decisions of the agency. A more comprehensive approach - that essentially creates agencies as a fourth branch of government - is what in German law is called rechtsstat. Hayek wrote about this and imo it is the correct approach. Agencies are their own thing. Their decisions re individuals should be checked by COURTS not a Prez - and not courts solely in DC arguing in front of lobbyists. They are not merely a way for a Prez to increase their own power unchecked. The US system is not able to deal with this because our constitution is too old to really deal effectively with changes post-1789 - and is now seemingly impossible to amend or reform.
What this really shows is how confused the government hiring process is. The President nominates, the Senate interviews and hires. Who can fire, nobody? or does Congress have to impeach? Why does Congress haul these employees in for questioning if it is not their boss? If Congress is their boss, why can they only hire who the President has nominated?
Valid point. Totally valid.
Good, this nation was founded on the principle that we have a king with unchecked power. Our dear Trump will start a dynasty that will lead us to greatness.
More retarded boomer dem rhetoric.
That's why we needed a precedent in 1935, to create a group of petty kings that were untouchable.
It’s like you’re not even trying.
Sad.
"a 1935 Precedent Limiting Presidential Power"
a 1935 precedent empowering unelected bureaucrats. . .
Hank recalls when that bill became a law.
Abolish the career civil service and return to a spoils system.
THIS
100% this. I know of all of the evils of the old spoils system --- but at least SOMEBODY was responsible. With "civil service", nobody is ever responsible for anything.
There are as many members in the set of Independent Federal Agencies as there are in the set of Two Horned Unicorns.
Alternatively, "SCOTUS Is Now Poised To Overrule Humphrey's Executor, a 1935 Precedent That Endorsed Unprecedented Legislative Power"
More likely, however, is "SCOTUS Is Now Poised To Cabin The Humphrey's Executor Precedent To Its Actual Findings - That The Wrongfully Fired Are Entitled To Back Pay But Not To Reinstatement"
If the FTC has the power to enforce laws it is an executive agency, and therefore under the purview of the President. Only the executive has the power to enforce the law. They can call it "independent" all they want, but Congress, not having the power to enforce law, cannot reasonably delegate that authority to a third party.
For better or for worse, we HAVE to get the courts and the "fourth estate" out of the executive office. Elections have to mean something. Executive decisions have to be decisive. We can't have this bureaucratic miasma dragging everything to a complete stand-still.
Yes, that means when a Democrat President is back in charge, he will be able to fire all the agency heads and replace them with legions of theater kids who will spend their time waging social media warfare instead of getting things done.
So be it. By their fruits shall ye know them, and we can trust the American voters to have the good sense to send them packing.
Sorry, no. Gridlock is a feature, not a bug in our system. Separation of powers is an intentional system that keeps the government busybodies tangled up in their own machinations and out of the hair of the rest of us.
That said, I agree that we need to remember that our system was set up with three separate branches, not four. The administrative state needs to be exterminated, root and branch, and their functions split back into the proper three branches.
Or, if you are going to add a fourth branch, do so properly via a constitutional amendment, not via mere legislation.
Interesting. I wouldn't say gridlock per se is a feature, though. Gridlock can potentially happen, but when it does, it is always an unsettled, temporary state. What is a feature is a balance of powers, and that is why the fourth estate is so wrong as you correctly point out: it has no counter-balance.
Gridlock on the legislative branch is built in, not the executive.
Humphrey allowed congress and prior presidents to expand their powers beyond their elected term. It removed the power of the people to change direction through elections.
Look at how hard it has been this year to fire someone, stop waste and abuse, undo prior executive expansion.
Defending this is Defending the one way ratchet that dems rely on.
An important distinction. The entire rationale for an executive power is to, well, EXECUTE.
Sorry, no. Gridlock is a feature, not a bug in our system
No, Gridlock is a feature within the legislative branches. Once you have 'roving independent agencies' with vague and ill-defined mandates that seem to grow and morph based on the whims of the agency heads-- agencies which have either quasi, or no-shit legislative powers of their own and based on a crude definition of 'wetland' can penalize a homeowner to the tune of $30,000 a day, we don't want "gridlock" keeping us from firing that agency head.
An independent agency full of life-long careerist lizard people who can literally magick rules and regulations out of thin air should not be subject to 'gridlock' when the people demand accountability.
Otherwise you end up with a one-way ratchet of increasingly byzantine and tyrannical regulations that always seems to quite easily get bigger, but never manages to get smaller.
So in my humble opinion, "gridlock" doesn't apply when you're trying to fire someone who stands outside the checks and balances of the the three branches.
Good point.
Yes, that means when a Democrat President is back in charge, he will be able to fire all the agency heads and replace them with legions of theater kids who will spend their time waging social media warfare instead of getting things done.
Exactly. Otherwise we're essentially enshrining "the deep state" which some libertarians repeatedly claim "doesn't exist".
I hate to do it, but I'm going to again list the infamous list of questions that Tony Benn proposed for a healthy democracy:
what power do you have
where did you get it
in whose interests do you exercise it
to whom are you accountable
how can we get rid of you
And yes, for you pedants who are going to say, "*lol snort* buuuuh we don't live in a democracy! We live in a Republic!11!"
Those rules apply in a Republic as well.
These questions, when applied to certain matters, really do give pause.
Take immigration: Where did you get it? The Court says Congress holds it as an “incident of national sovereignty.” Never mind that the government is not the nation.
And the same question could be asked of a host of other powers the federal government now exercises — with answers resting more on judicial doctrine than constitutional text.
The Supreme Court will soon review the president’s authority to fire “independent” agency heads.
I found the problem with the precedent...
For those not keeping up at home, "independent agencies" are unconstitutional, so now that we've agreed to disagree and we have them, they need to be directly accountable to the executive. If they're not, then we have a 4th branch of government that is unelected and unaccountable to the people.
So just like when it's proven that illegal immigration is not a zero-cost proposition, and libertarians always then demur and say, "well, then... what we should be doing is eliminating the welfare state..." I say, "allow the president to fire independent agency heads" and for those what don't like it, I say unto thee, "Well, what we really should be doing is eliminating independent agencies..."
My guess is, like the Obama insurance mandate was declared a tax, the FTC will be declared an executive agency. If it isn't, like Obama's insurance mandate, it can't exist.
This kind of final showdown over Humphrey's Executor basically became inevitable as soon as Trump tried to fire an FTC commissioner, since it was that very same act by Roosevelt that led to the 1935 precedent.
So the idea of independent agencies did not even predate the American Civil War, let alone Washington's presidency.
The last I'll say on this is, if we try to look at this from a purely libertarian perspective, the question you might first ask yourself is "whose freedom are we protecting if the President can't fire the head of an 'independent' agency?"
Jimmy Kimmel's? I'm told that is the most important issue of our time.
I can’t help wondering — if these tenure restrictions are struck down, what happens to the delegation itself?
Congress didn’t delegate authority to “anyone the president likes.” It created a body of officers with insulation, and only under that condition did it trust them with quasi-legislative and quasi-judicial functions. Remove the insulation, and you’re no longer talking about the same animal.
Doesn’t that mean the underlying delegation should be revisited too? If the powers were granted to an insulated commission, but we now say the commissioners are just ordinary executive officers, then the structure Congress actually enacted has been altered. That seems like more than just a removal clause problem — it’s a delegation problem.
So the question becomes: do we keep the powers with the new, fully dependent officers, or does that authority evaporate because it was premised on a different constitutional arrangement?
I've always thought that if the supreme court finds a part of a law unconstitutional, they should invalidate the whole law and congress can try again if they want. So the proper outcome here would be to invalidate the law that created the FTC in the first place if it's unconstitutional to have independent agencies like this (which I think it is).
This expansion of executive power doesn't bother me as much as the Tariff abdication of legislative power.
The main problem with Trump, is he doesn't believe in appointing people with any sort of expertise. His criteria is how much bootlicking they will do, and whether they were ever on Fox TV. I'm sure other presidents have appointed bootlickers, but maybe it was just less obvious in the past.
I’ve done some reading — IEEPA, the tariff actions, and the trade acts. From a layman’s perspective, tariffs are still legislated pretty tightly under the Tariff Act of 1930 and the Trade Act of 1974.
The real problem is the executive leaning on IEEPA to stretch emergency regulatory authority into revenue authority. That’s not legislative abdication so much as outright executive overreach into a power Congress never delegated.
Kagan's dissent from the order makes the reasonable point that if you're going to overturn a very well-established precedent, doing so without giving any reasons, via the Shadow (or as I prefer to call it, Fermat) docket. is not the way to go.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/25a264_o759.pdf
They're not overturning the precedent on the shadow/fermat docket. The only thing that got overturned is the interim remedy.
There is no precedent that the remedy (interim or permanent) is to be reinstalled to the office. (Humphrey was dead after all, and his estate only got back pay.)