Why the Charlie Kirk Memorial Might Spell the End of Trump and MAGA
Speeches by the president, Stephen Miller, and Tucker Carlson will accelerate dislike of the president’s agenda.

Sunday's massive, televised memorial service for Charlie Kirk contained grace notes that were simply breathtaking to behold. "That young man…I forgive him," said Kirk's widow Erika, speaking of alleged killer Tyler Robinson. "I forgive him because it was what Christ did, and it's what Charlie would do."
Yet such a profound expression of grief and forgiveness was overwhelmed by the crassly political messaging voiced by speakers such as President Donald Trump, Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy Stephen Miller, and media hypeman Tucker Carlson. By using the occasion to score cheap partisan points and indulge in weird personal obsessions, they managed to drag the service into Idiocracy meets The Hunger Games territory. Indeed, far from being the launching pad for "the storm" and the "awaken[ing]" of the "dragon" that Miller prophesied, Sunday's event may well represent the high-water mark of Trump's final term and the crescendo of MAGA more broadly as the negative and unpopular effects of his policies become unmistakable.
Taking the stage after Erika Kirk, Trump averred, "He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them." While some Trump supporters insist that the president was engaging in a self-deprecating display to honor Charlie Kirk's memory, even they show discomfort. As PJ Media's Tim O'Brien grants, "On paper or online, this is an easy line to misread. A short video clip of it may also remove tone and context. To be fair, Trump's patented deadpan delivery doesn't help with some people, who, even when they watch him say his words, still aren't able to pick up his self-deprecation. Then, of course, is the fact that there is a certain degree of truth in what he says."
Indeed, Trump is nothing if not vindictive to opponents big and small, real and imagined. In his remarks, he managed to squeeze in a reference to late-night host Jimmy Kimmel as an "anchor [who] had no talent and no ratings" along with an ardent defense of his controversial and unpopular tariff policy. "Tariffs are making us rich again," he said. "Richer than anybody ever thought was possible. And the only one challenging them are people that hate our country or foreign countries that are paying a price….Charlie understood that." He also promised that "I think we found an answer to autism," teasing yesterday's announcement about a supposed connection between Tylenol and the condition.
These are strange things to say at a memorial service for a 31-year-old father of two felled by an assassin's bullet. But Trump was overshadowed in sheer weirdness and off-putting affect by the massively popular former Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who told the thousands in attendance that Kirk's assassination reminded him of "his favorite story ever." He proceeded to set the scene: "It's about 2,000 years ago in Jerusalem, and Jesus shows up and he starts talking about the people in power, and he starts doing the worst thing that you can do, which is telling the truth about people." Carlson then describes a room full of presumably Jewish critics of Christ, saying, "I can just sort of picture the scene in a lamp-lit room with a bunch of guys sitting around eating hummus, thinking about—'What do we do about this guy telling the truth about us? We must make him stop talking.' And there's always one guy with the bright idea, and I can just hear him say, 'I've got an idea. Why don't we just kill him? That'll shut him up, that'll fix the problem."
Carlson laughs in a way that can charitably be described as demented, even as he is invoking a version of the "deicide myth," or the idea that Jews killed Christ and continue to bear responsibility for his death. He is clearly drawing a comparison between Jesus and Kirk, though the analogy seems off, if only because Kirk was on speed dial with Trump and many members of the Republican Party who control both houses of Congress and a majority of statehouses. Indeed, the story seems less intended to say anything about Kirk and more to burnish Carlson's reputation as "America's leading purveyor of antisemitic ideas," as a recent National Review article called him.
Then there was Miller, who in an August appearance on Sean Hannity's Fox News program said, "The Democrat [sic] Party does not fight for, care about, or represent American citizens. It is an entity devoted exclusively to the defense of hardened criminals, gang-bangers, and illegal, alien killers and terrorists. The Democrat Party is not a political party. It is a domestic extremist organization."
Earlier in September, Miller inveighed against "a vast, organized ecosystem of indoctrination" comprising "child services, law clerks, hospital nurses, teachers, gov't workers, even DOD employees" who "have been deeply and violently radicalized." This is the paranoid style in American politics on steroids, spoken not from some marginal fringe position but from the White House itself. Like his boss and many MAGA social media stalwarts, Miller cannot conceive of disagreement as stemming from anything other than a to-the-death commitment to destroy Western civilization or, same thing, Trump's policy agenda.
Miller's comments at Kirk's memorial struck a similarly combative and hyperbolic note and, like Trump and many of the speakers at the service, implied that the shooter is in no way the lone gunman he appears to have been, but a representative of some sort of vast conspiracy which is marching in lockstep against the Trump and MAGA agenda. He invoked they without ever defining the term with any precision or specificity.
They cannot imagine what they have awakened.
They cannot conceive of the army that they have arisen in all of us because we stand for what is good, what is virtuous, what is noble. And to those trying to incite violence against us, those trying to foment hatred against us, what do you have? You have nothing. You are nothing. You are wickedness. You are jealousy. You are envy. You are hatred. You are nothing. You can build nothing. You can produce nothing. You can create nothing.
It would be comforting to write off such rhetoric as grief deranged by the utter horror of a political assassination if it didn't comport with everything we know about Miller going back to his student days. The logic of Miller's thinking is clear—to oppose the president is to be part of an "organized ecosystem of indoctrination" and paves the way for endless harassment of anyone or any group that challenges Trump and the MAGA agenda.
But is Miller correct when asserting to critics of Trump and MAGA, "You cannot defeat us. You cannot slow us. You cannot stop us. You cannot deter us"?
Almost certainly not, and not for any nefarious reasons. By politicizing every aspect of everyday life, Trump and MAGA have exhausted more and more of us. Coupled with policy failure, the result is falling support for a candidate who captured just shy of 50 percent of the popular vote against arguably the worst Democratic candidate of the past 50 years. It's meaningful that Trump gained voter share among young people and many ethnic and racial minorities—that's a testament to the awfulness of Joe Biden's presidency and the public's interest in reversing course.
But Trump's collapse is on his hands, not those of any conspiracy. Per RealClearPolitics' average of polls, the last time Trump's approval rating was higher than his disapproval rating was back in March. Currently, his disapproval is at 52.6 percent, just 0.1 of a point below his worst ever rating since January. His administration's lashing out at ABC and Disney over Kimmel's remarks about Kirk's shooter and Trump's response have drawn rebukes not simply from regular critics such as Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) but from MAGA allies such as Sen. Ted Cruz (R–Texas), who said Federal Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr's censorial threats were "right out of Goodfellas." Attorney General Pam Bondi's statements about criminalizing the nonconstitutional category of "hate speech" drew similar outcries from a variety of conservatives who usually support the president, including Megyn Kelly, Matt Walsh, and even Carlson, who said, "Any attempt to impose hate speech laws in this country…cannot be allowed under any circumstances."
On specific issues that are at the center of his agenda, Trump's numbers are bad and getting worse, according to a recent Washington Post–Ipsos poll. Sixty-four percent of Americans disapprove of his handling of tariffs, 60 percent disapprove of his handling of the Russia-Ukraine war, 58 percent disapprove of his actions regarding Israel and Gaza, 55 percent disapprove of his immigration stance, and 54 percent don't like his handling of crime.
On the economy—arguably the most important issue for any president—59 percent are unhappy. "Brace yourself," cautions George Mason University economist Tyler Cowen at The Free Press. "Here comes stagflation," the defining condition of the 1970s' economic malaise, which denotes simultaneous high inflation and high unemployment. He predicts inflation pushing up to 4 percent and unemployment hitting 7 percent over the next year and a half. Though low by '70s standards, those would discombobulate further the 75 percent of Americans (and 51 percent of Republicans!) who already believe the country is headed in the wrong direction.
All causes have Trump and MAGA's thumbprints on them. Tariffs increase prices (Cowen notes that coffee is up 14.5 percent since last July and ground beef just hit an all-time high of $6.33 per pound in August) and the president is goading the Federal Reserve to reduce interest rates and increase the money supply. As happened in his first term, government spending and national debt are up, and so is unemployment, especially in the very sectors tariffs and reduced immigration were supposed to save. "The manufacturing sector is down 31,000 jobs" over the past few months, writes Reason's Eric Boehm. "Other blue-collar sectors like construction and mining are down over that same period." "The politics of stagflation tend to lead to voter dissatisfaction," writes Cowen. "So however bad the public mood feels to you right now, there is a good chance it will get worse."
The inability or unwillingness of Trump and his allies to shift course and temperament are pretty clear. ("The De-escalation of Politicization Can't Be One-Sided," blares a headline at The Daily Signal.) Erika Kirk will be taking over Turning Point USA, the organization her husband founded, and perhaps she will season its political commitments with the powerful Christian forgiveness she displayed on Sunday. "The answer to hate is not hate," she said on Sunday. "Love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us."
But to the extent that the broader MAGA movement doubles or triples down on its policies and rhetoric on display, it will only become even less popular.
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I really think that almost everyone who watched the memorial is either decidedly already on Trump's side, or absolutely are not and never will be.
But impotent right-wing rejects think their hurt feelings are relevant to anyone outside their bubble. While actual americans are more concerned about relevant, tangible things, such as import costs, the cost of making a living and running a business, job security.
The trump administration is making outsized efforts to alienate voters, and I think theyre succeeding.
If a retarded late night host REEEEES in front of a camera, but no one broadcasts it, does he still make a sound?
I laughed out loud at your comment! You have made my day.
Slimy piles of lying lefty shits wish they were so obviously slimy piles of lying lefty shit.
Unfortunately, you are OBVIOUSLY a slimy pile of lying lefty shit.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Kill yourself
"But impotent right-wing rejects think their hurt feelings are relevant"
Not just hurt feelings but also their hurt earlobe, and a neck artery, and shattered pelvis, and bleeding chest and arm, and crushed skull, etc...
Please don't go shoot someone now, Sarc.
Fun fact: I didn't even know there was a memorial.
Analysis: MAGA watched and enjoyed the memorial, non(anti) MAGA who watched it already hated MAGA... so doesn't Nick's assessment demand that MAGA watched and hated the memorial?
Edit:
ANTI-MAGA: This whole thing is creepy!
MAGA: MAGA!
ANTI-MAGA: It's the end of MAGA!
I watched it like you watch a really bad movie that is unintentionally funny due to the ineptness and unwavering confidence of the director. It was highly entertaining.
you should be on a watch list
LOL seethe
LOL? Really? Grow up, shitstain.
Easy Sevo - you'll be hitting puberty yourself before you know it. It starts with a deepening of the voice; soon after, constant masturbation.
Sevo is in the menopause stage.
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy
turd, the TDS-addled asswipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
You were banned for posting a link to child porn.
Easy, there shitstain, perhaps they'll allow you the 1st grade after the best five years of your life.
Fuck off and die, Dumber Than a Bag of Rocks.
Stop samefagging replies for your own sockpuppets, Sarcasmic.
No, it doesn't. Many, I would guess the majority like you and me, did not watch it BUT heard about it later, maybe saw footage. So, seriously, how can this NOT be the high-water mark for MAGArump?
For reasons Nick raises, but just as a matter those intangibles mood and momentum, looks like their only direction is down. We will know for sure in the days, or maybe just minutes, after Kimmel's first monologue.
Yes, let’s all pay attendance to the late night has-been.
Lol. Full cope. The left continues to double down retard. They continue to collapse.
Pray harder to your statist gods.
"Fun fact: I didn't even know there was a memorial."
I'm with you. I don't do hero worship of any kind and I would have been extra uninterested when I learned Tucker Carlson was speaking. But by all indications Kirk was a man of actual convictions, which is rare. And it seems like he argued in good faith, which is even more rare.
I think what most of us who aren't MAGA or dieTrumpdie have been shocked by is how tonedeaf the left continues to be after their 2024 raping. I know they're mentally ill, mind you. I just thought they were clever enough to keep it under wraps a little better than this. But I guess those of us who lean right or non-left have no idea what it's like to live in a 24-7 bubble.
"...I think what most of us who aren't MAGA or dieTrumpdie have been shocked by is how tonedeaf the left continues to be after their 2024 raping. I know they're mentally ill, mind you. I just thought they were clever enough to keep it under wraps a little better than this. But I guess those of us who lean right or non-left have no idea what it's like to live in a 24-7 bubble."
^+1. It's like the continual 'the walls are closing in! It's the beginning of the end!' mantra.
No, it isn't; YOU are fucking nuts. (Not you WB).
Clarification not needed, but appreciated.
I'm beginning to believe Gillespie is the most underrated retard on the staff. Sullum, Boehm, et al put it out there on a near-daily basis, and it's just terrible. But Gillespie chimes in infrequently yet makes less and less sense each time he does, which I think is worse.
Gilespy wrote a book about the librarian movement. He has never been right.
It's why he has relegated himself to interviewing retards that he looks up to for some reason
The right is waking up. Gillespie is just repeating nonsense.
Even people in the middle left are starting to realize the left is gone
Media breakthroughs generally help the right. That's because the left's message is already disseminated throughout the culture through schools, mass media, and culture all of which completely support the left's message.
The interesting thing about this is that these breakthrough events can shed information on either the left or the right, but both tend to help the right politically. That's because the left propaganda machine is so strong a breakthrough story about the right will generally be something positive the left tried to suppress, but a story about the left will generally be a negative story about the left they have heretofore successfully suppressed. So the difference is the common decency of even activists on the right compared to "Defund the Police" and "your kindergartener is a white supremacist" on the left.
I would tend to agree. Polling constantly shows that everyone knows what the left believes, because they shove it down your throat 24/7. But for the beliefs of the right, a plurality only know what the left tells them the right believes.
I'm not going to claim the three speakers Gillespie singled out are the greatest salesman for conservative values, but I imagine a lot of the other speakers were pretty solid. Plus, you know, being able to hold a giant event without it devolving into rapes, arson and riots must be a revelation to the left.
Polling constantly shows that everyone knows what the left believes,
One quibble, polling shows everyone knows the left's public facing beliefs. But the reason the BLM momentum failed is that people learned there's a big difference between these public beliefs and the left's true beliefs including "defund the police" and "your kindergartener is a white supremacist".
It is all narrative curating on the left. Headline reading with no inspection.
Fair enough, though I think they have gotten so full of themselves and far out there that they don't even hold those back anymore. See: Their public reactions to Kirk's murder.
"...Polling constantly shows that everyone knows what the left believes, because they shove it down your throat 24/7..."
Sit in an airport boarding lounge? A dental waiting room? And then express something to the right of CNN and get accused of 'living in a bubble'?
I think Nick should recognize he’s washed up, and quietly retire.
I would like to see Trump marry Erika…Barron is old enough that he no longer needs a daddy and Melania can’t become president. Erika is my pick for president in 2028 if she marries Trump.
I would like to see you fuck off and die, asswipe.
It would be such an honor to be a woman and get humped by Trump…I know I would let him hump me if I transitioned to a woman.
Lie and whine and hate is all the right does, every day all day. This comment section is a perfect example.
Pro tip: stop eating Tide Pods.
All these sycophant weakling for the left is doing is projecting his leftist, anti-American, and anti-Constitutional drivel in hopes that America fall and becomes a banana republic so they can rule! England, Italy, and the rest of Europe is finding out what weak leadership means!
This will be just like tariffs, right? Ripples? Are the walls closing in?
The normies are getting disgusted with team blue trying to lie about the suspect, false equivalence, boaf sidez, mischaracterizations of Kirk, and even open celebrations of a man who debated being killed by an assassin’s bullet. I get it is not an “each every all” situation, but ReReason has been engaging in some of this as have the team blue apologists in its commentariat.
Would be neat to see Nick juxtapose his position on Roseanne Barr’s cancellation with how ReReason is handling the Kimmel situation.
Ignore the 2400 new chapters of TPUSA since Kirk was killed. The walls have closed in.
So now a bunch of financially inviable magats have decided to throw their (mental) disability checks or daddys pocket money into the same donations pool as the right-wing billionaires who profit from their mental underdevelopment? Carry on.
Bitch please, you empty wastebasket in an office for. Wealthy conservative who only keeps you around out of pity.
Okay Rev, go marry a Mormon like you want to
Bet those 2400 will be down by half this time next year, and half again the year after. What's gonna keep them hyped? Kirk's cartoon Jeezus is for sale cheap on any street corner, and what will they do when Shlrump pulls a Yoon Suk Yeol?
If you are going to wishcast, why not pick two-thirds or three-quarters?
0.1357%
You've repeated this about tpusa since 2012 and they've grown every year despite your allies best efforts.
The Charlie Kirk Memorial CAN'T spell the end of Trump and MAGA, there isn't even an 'N' or a 'D' for 'end', let alone two of each for 'end' and 'and'.
We are not dealing with the mid-1990's incarnation of the Democratic Party.
They guy that said Biden shoudl be put to death? Cry me a river snowflake.
You are as bad at this as you are at life.
They're not sending their best.
Welcome to MSNOW.
When the fuck did I click on Mother Jones magazine!?!
Around 2015.
I think Gillespie makes some good points.
I support DJT, and I often wish he would cool it with the buffoonery. He had a chance to turn the political bullshit down for once at Kirk’s funeral, out of respect for the man’s widow and his family. Maybe the political calculus of preaching to his base outweighs a simple act of reserve at a fucking funeral. But WTF do I know? DJT didn’t win two elections against impossible odds by listening to people like me. But he’s removed all doubt of him being a “unifier”, and maybe the GOP needs that in spite of the obsequiousness of the party’s leaders Team Blue.
The real class act was Kirk’s widow, from what I hear. I’ll watch the funeral eventually, specifically to listen to her.
“…obsequiousness of the party’s leaders to Team Blue”
Right on! It appears he thinks even the normies were part of his rallies. How long will his crass milking of the Kirk assassination go on? It has become puke-worthy.
How long will your worn-out lefty whining continue, loser. Fuck off and die, asswipe.
That steamy, slimey, TDS-addled pile of lefty shit!!!
By that steamy, slimey, TDS-addled pile of lefty shit!!!
Democrats milked Floyd for months.
And Floyd was a thoroughly terrible person.
Charlie's replacement won't be NICER than he was.
Careful, that kind of thinking will get you 200 posts from Jesse about how you're actually a Sarc sock. Cuz nothing says libertarian like forced compliance.
FWIW, most of Trump's comments came across much better in audio / visual than in print, because it's clear he was joking and taking a semi-jab at himself. The Apprentice "big autism reveal tomorrow" stuff was disgusting, but that's who the guy is.
Gillespie mostly makes me sad. He's far too old to still think he's edgie, but boy is he still trying. I'm sure in his mind he's riding in a motorcycle sidecar across South America with Che, reporting on The Man for Rolling Stone.
Lol. That's exactly what he's thinking. I like Nick generally; don't always agree with him but think he makes good points here, and I appreciate his stabs at humor at least, compared to some Reason writers and their rather staid, humorless styles.
True. I think he is a good choice to host a podcast, where I don't feel like he constantly puts his thumb on the scale and he gives his guests pretty free reign. More often than not, he interjects to make a joke, which I have no problem with. But none of his written work leads me to believe he has much to offer in the arena of deep thinkers. Not because I disagree with him, but because he rarely makes a compelling case (for me).
Awww. Don't be sad you cant admit to being wrong about something lol.
What pathetic victimization. Sarc level 2.
You never once even bothered to prove your two false assertions. I was nice. But if you want to go the sarc route I'm fine with that too.
You emoted and ranted about shit that was wrong and quickly proven to you. You doubled down. Now youre crying like a victim.
Sarc level 2 achieved. Cry harder lol.
Now. Prove yourself intelligent and again try to make your two false statements from the roundup true. I'll wait.
Kirks widow is going with the continue growing argument. Not sure why shed want trump to lie about the words and actions of the left.
But to the extent that the broader MAGA movement doubles or triples down on its policies and rhetoric on display, it will only become even less popular.
Trump won the Electoral College, the popular vote, and all the swing States. The Democratic Party's poll numbers have cratered. What is becoming "less popular"?
But enough about 2020 election...
This is what wishcasting looks like.
I know this is beyond the comprehension of the average Trump defender, but it is entirely possible that Trump's popularity is falling while the Democratic Party's popularity is falling even faster.
The reason why this is beyond the comprehension of the average Trump defender is that they equate criticism of Trump with praise for Democrats. So for them if Trump's popularity falls, popularity for Democrats must necessarily rise. Because they see politics as a teeter-totter. Someone who leaves on side jumps onto the other. They simply cannot comprehend people getting off and saying fuck you to both Trump and the Democrats. Does not compute.
I know this is beyond the comprehension of the average Trump defender, but it is entirely possible that Trump's popularity is falling while the Democratic Party's popularity is falling even faster.
I know it's beyond the comprehension of the average Leftist, but Trump's average poll number is where it was when he won the election.
48% of voters and 32% of eligible voters?
Why that's a bullet-proof majority! A mandate! No one can argue with that level of popularity! It gives him the power to do whatever he wants!
So all eligible voters who did not vote count as anti-Trump? Who said he can do whatever he wants?
You keep beating those strawmen. Try actually responding to what I said.
Lol You attack strawman arguments I didn't make and then accuse me of beating strawmen? You funny.
The drunkard thinks that people who don't vote count.
By definition, we are a participatory democracy. Whoever doesn't vote has no voice.
Several of the ReReason staff claim that they don’t vote, and they technically have a voice though few read their liberal blathering. Why a billionaire “Daddy Warbucks” has to subsidize their efforts.
And they hilariously demand we pay to talk here. But they refuse to cash said threat.
Cowards.
I certainly won't pay money to argue with idiots. If they make people pay, the comments will be reduced to even more of a MAGA echo chamber than it already is.
Agree on this. People shouldn’t be paying to argue with you.
Are you sure that the many nonlibertarian commenters would pay to comment on _Reason_ articles? If _Reason_ starts charging to participate, I look forward to thanking them for showing that they agree with _Reason_'s agenda, now matter what they write, because they are voluntarily giving money to _Reason_.
Bot malfunction.
I see non-votes as votes for 'none of the above'. At least that's why I don't vote.
Some maybe doing that, but others simply are apolitical.
I guess we'll never know until some 'none of the above' appeals to people who are sick of the duopoly.
Bingo.
Yeah, by 1.5% against the most inept incomprehensible candidate I have ever heard of. I don't think even the Libertarian Party has ever fielded such a derided candidate.
2028 is going to be really interesting, since every Democratic potential candidate mentioned so far makes gibbering Kamala look well-spoken. She couldn't even figure out how to explain Walz without contradicting herself.
Yep. Trump can only win elections against unpopular women.
Jeb! agrees
"Yeah, by 1.5% against the most inept incomprehensible candidate I have ever heard of. I don't think even the Libertarian Party has ever fielded such a derided candidate."
The LP's last two nominees were markedly worse than Joe Biden.
That is Biden TODAY.
An assassination is a great fundraiser.
See: Black Lives Matter.
Overdoses can be lucrative as well.
there's a Bobby Brown joke in here I'm not making.
this morning I commented on how it's not really the time to critique the memorial service so I suppose under the same terms it would be wrong to critique the critique of the memorial service ... I'll go with not my cup of tea
I'd be terrified to listen to Nick "promethean transformation" Gillespie sing in the shower, as tone deaf as he is.
Is this where Reason decides to agree to disagree and go with the Final Solution vote?
Trump is nothing if not vindictive to opponents big and small, real and imagined
It's weird people make such a big deal about this. Left wingers discriminate against everyone who disagrees with them in education, employment, and everyday life doing anything they can to cause them harm. Shunning family and friends for political reasons is a permanent theme in left-media. This is far more damaging because they target regular people rather than politicians or activists who should understand opposition is a part of their chosen profession.
Shorter Marshal: Democrats did it first and you didn't complain you hypocrite!
Even shorter Marshal: Tu quoque! Tu quoque! Tu quoque!
What's interesting about sarc is how his reactions demonstrate his total lack of introspection, thought, or analysis. As an outsider of the parties I consider the advantages or failures of each party in context to create a complete picture. This is an anathema to propagandists like sarc whose tactics are demonization and scapegoating. The last thing leftists want are effective analyses understanding both the left and right.
For example (as I noted) the people Trump goes after are engaging in politics and thus opposition from their targets is an expected reaction. People who claim to believe otherwise, like Nick, are either hopelessly naive or think you are. It may be regrettable in a theoretical sense but it's unavoidable and luckily small scale. But importantly this is happening everywhere even if most people lie about it.
Compare that to the mass discrimination and retaliation campaign the left has thoroughly implemented throughout every institution it controls (for example academia, media, Hollywood). Even liberals are suppressed in these institutions where open admission of libertarian or conservative opinions will get you blackballed. Sarc and the other propagandists don't care about this though which is why their anti-Trump comments are so revealing. One of these is a massive problem leading to widespread corruption and discrimination against tens of millions of people. Sarc and the other left wingers say nothing about this because they don't oppose it. But we're supposed to care that Trump hopes Elizabeth Warren fails at everything she does. Just to understand the absurdity do we believe there's any left winger anywhere in the world that doesn't hope Trump fails at everything he does?
But somehow this standard they clearly all fail is supposed to be meaningful when applied to Trump. Ridiculous.
Even an AI could be more creative.
I agree. Even AI could make a better argument.
Is the goal to be creative or is the goal to work through the issues and reach the best conclusion?
Bud, I was talking about sarc.
"Even an AI could be more creative."
Thank you for the demonstration.
You demonstrate it every comment.
Hey, TDS-addled slimy piles of shit like you are great instructors!
Fuck off and die, asswipe. Make the world a better place.
Marshal either ignores or denies the many times that I decried the Biden administration's prosecution of Trump as a bad precedent that following administrations would no doubt repeat because he can only win arguments against strawmen.
What Biden administration prosecution?
There were two in NYS you totally support.
Claiming Trump is a felon, like you like to do is supporting the prosecutions.
What I noted is true: that sarc mischaracterizes removing those who weaponized government for political reasons as weaponizing government. He does this to protect those who weaponized the government on behalf of Democrats with the hope and expectation they will be in position to do so again.
Weaponizing government is not limited to prosecutions so whether sarc did or did not oppose them isn't germane. It's another misdirection play.
Do fuck off.
Weaponizing government is weaponizing government. I complained when Biden did it and I'm complaining when Trump does it.
Difference is that you approve of what Trump is doing because Democrats did it first.
You have no principles.
Just principals.
Difference is that you approve of what Trump is doing because Democrats did it first.
Dems have never gotten rid of anyone who weaponized government on their behalf, so you're lying when you say Dems did it first. But that's every comment, propagandists have no use for truth or reality. they believe their words create reality.
Aren't those goalposts heavy? You must work out.
The Durham prosecutions set the precedent.
'the people Trump goes after are engaging in politics"
You mean "no-talent, low rating" Jimmy Kimmel? The "failing" New York Times? Performers, media outlets, academics, apolitical career bureaucrats and lawyers, law firms, even judges? "Engaging in politics?" Maybe by Trump's definition, but not by the definitions of their professions. Exactly who, when doing or saying something Trump doesn't like, is NOT "engaging in politics?" Commenters in forums like this one? Andy Borowitz?
You think engaging in politics is defined by a profession rather than actions, and that journalism or media and academia is not included? Are you referring to apolitical career bureaucrats like Peter Strzok and Kevin Clinesmith?
Elizabeth Warren created a propaganda study to help pass Obamacare and the CFPB and she did it so well she leveraged it into a Senate seat. Are you claiming you believe this was not political?
When supporting the narrative requires these sorts of beliefs it should be an indicator the narrative is wrong.
So you Kimmel is not a politician? Newspapers? Universities? Law firms? Good. Well, Trump goes after them, therefore Trump goes after those who are NOT engaging in politics. My point conceded, thanks.
Nothing in the Hatch Act says you can't express a political view in a private email with your girlfriend (Strzok). A private email is not a political campaign or endorsement. Holding a political opinion is not a political act, by which is meant a public act by a private actor, or any act by a political actor (candidate or campaign supporter). Trump fired Strzok for personal disloyalty because Trump, ever the dictator, thinks an oath to the Constitution is an oath to support the dictator personally.
Clinesmith neglected to reveal that Page was a source for a warrant application. For that he was disciplined and has now been restored. The most you can say is Clinesmith was not a Trump fan. Not being a Trump fan doesn't make you a political actor when doing your job, even if you botch it.
Elizabeth Warren fought for two hugely important programs and succeeded. Call it propaganda, it was true. I know people whose lives were saved by Obamacare. I myself escaped a fraudulent contract of adhesion thanks to CFPB. Whether she worked these policies for personal political gain, or made personal political gain as a result, doesn't matter which. Engaging in POLICY is not engaging in POLITICS in the partisan or electoral sense, and your claim remains false.
Of course Kimmel is engaging in politics when he's in public criticizing a politician. Again we're back to you needing things that are obviously true to be false for your conclusion to hold.
Not being a Trump fan doesn't make you a political actor when doing your job, even if you botch it.
Nothing in the Hatch Act says you can't express a political view
Notice how he switches the standard from "apolitical career bureaucrat" to "the Hatch Act" and "not a Trump fan". Leftists decide whether you are innocent or guilty first and only then set the standard to "support" that conclusion.
Elizabeth Warren fought for two hugely important programs and succeeded. Call it propaganda, it was true.
Her propaganda study claimed half of all personal bankruptcies in America were due to unpaid medical bills. This is so obviously false that the experts who study bankruptcy ignore her study and data, the real number is less than 2%. So the only sense "it was true" is in the sense it helped get legislation passed. Normal people don't think this demonstrates something is "true" but it's the only thing left wingers care about. Warren showed us academia is corrupt and will produce a "study" concluding anything their far left allies believe will help them politically.
God, we should never have taught you cavemen to write. A "standard" is one thing, in this sense an abstract noun. An "apolitical career bureaucrat" is another completely different thing, a concrete noun. The Hatch Act is a very specific concrete noun which applies to "apolitical career bureaucrats." The "standard" is the specification of the Hatch Act, which does not cover private communications. There is only ONE standard, and that is the one specified by Hatch, which neither Strzock nor Clinesmith violated. Which means your claim is categorically false, since Hatch governs partisan political activity on the job, which nobody, not you, not Trump, not anyone, claims was done by either of your suspects. It's just like the evangelicals who learned the vocabulary of philosophical criticism and adopted it to make every term mean its opposite. And we just recently taught Trump what "unserious" means, so now he deploys it indiscriminately and cluelessly, just as all sociopaths do.
"So you Kimmel is not a politician? Newspapers? Universities? Law firms? Good. Well, Trump goes after them, therefore Trump goes after those who are NOT engaging in politics. My point conceded, thanks."
Oh, you are retarded.
Sorry, "you are retarded" is not responsive. Not an argument. Just a visceral growl from another knuckle-dragger.
It wasn't an argument. It was an observation that clears up my question below.
“Elizabeth Warren fought for two hugely important programs”
Hahahahahahahaha
If you don't think Jimmy Kimmel is part of the left wing political machine, you're a fucking retard.
But you're a leftist, so you're probably just lying.
The left wing political machine! It runs on steam! Or maybe diesel. Or maybe alternating current. Or maybe it's a figment of paranoid imagination. Well, I suspect that Kimmel is among those people who think and enjoy doing so, and you're not, so you might as well imagine that all the thinking people constitute a diabolical machine programmed to subvert truth, justice, and the American way. "They're out to get us!" Well, you're right about that one. When people think, and are smart enough to do humor as well, it's no surprise that it's the illiterate incoherent narcissistic schoolyard bully buffoons like Trump who become prime targets.
Is this actually the first time you've ever heard of the "machine" in reference to politics?
You're not really clearing up my question, because I find it hard to believe you haven't, but if you're retarded maybe not.
I will continue my assessment, I find it fascinating.
"That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them."
To be fair he ran on a platform of retribution. So he'd be pretty stupid to preach forgiveness when his entire agenda is revenge.
"Tariffs are making us rich again," he said. "Richer than anybody ever thought was possible. And the only one challenging them are people that hate our country or foreign countries that are paying a price….Charlie understood that."
Wow. Too much stupid to even try to unpack.
"The answer to hate is not hate", she said on Sunday. "Love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us."
That's right. Love Trump. Love him like he's your big brother.
>>platform of retribution.
no.
https://www.c-span.org/clip/campaign-2024/former-pres-trump-i-am-your-justicei-am-your-retribution/5060238
apples & tomatoes but okay he said the word out loud.
That's the dumbest excuse I've seen yet. Trump clearly said "I am your retribution!"
His entire administration is based upon is hurting those who wronged him.
Or is his entire administration based upon hurting those who wronged us?
No. There is no "us". Hate to break it to you but he doesn't give a shit about you. Insult his attention span or his hand size, he'll turn on you instantly.
Sarc will turn on DLAM?!?! Oh no! What will he do? Post “The Dems did it first” or “Tu quoque” in response? Something more drastic like moving his cardboard box house to near when DLAM lives or sending his kid to key DLAM’s car?
"...There is no "us"..."
Correct. There is the slimy pile of shit which you are and the rest of the world.
Fuck off and die, Dumber Than a Bag of Rocks.
“Your” would imply he’s the voters retribution (at least the Republican and Independent ones who voted/support him).
That's so weak. Come one. You can argue better than that.
Pointing out that he ran on a platform of retribution for others (as exhibited by your cite and quote) and not necessarily one of personal revenge (“who wronged him”) isn’t really an argument so much as a partial agreement and partial pedantry.
To be fair he ran on a platform of retribution.
Shorter sarc:
Not allowing those who previously weaponized government to remain in government so they can do it again is weaponizing government.
DEMOCRATS DID IT FIRST! THAT MAKES IT OK!
The amusing element of sarc's campaign is that this is an admission he applies different standards to Dems and Reps. But he thinks he's presenting it such that it shows only other people base their principles solely based on which team is accused when in reality it affirms that all his assertions are based on whether the criticized person is Team Red or Team Blue.
But in reality what makes this "ok" is that it isn't a big deal. We all know people competing with each other hope the other fails. Not only is this not new information even if it was it's still a complete nothing. You won't find anyone criticizing Dems for this, but not because they don't do it. Instead it's because no one thinks it is worthy of criticism. For example the left now hates and Musk and is trying to make his business fail. No one on the left thinks this is worthy of criticism even though it is outside the political arena and would negatively impact tens of thousands of other people.
But the operative process for propagandists like sarc is to assert the standard at whatever Trump fails rather than to advance a consistent standard based on principles and apply it to everyone. Of course when you do this there are bound to be other people who fail, in fact this is how we test whether the standard is appropriate. This is why the term "whataboutism" was invented, to delegitimize evaluating whether the standards applied are appropriate.
If I taught a course on fallacies I'd save this as an example of someone making a strawman argument who is dumber than a bale of hay.
It's no surprise to anyone who reads your comments you'd be a failure teaching courses as well. Teaching is more than "hey I heard this insult and I hate this person, so he must be guilty of it".
You're oddly, borderline obsessive with trying to undermine and show-up Sarc in every conceivable way and in every comment - tell you what, since you claim to be independent, care to expend all this energy and oxygen tearing down the false narratives, insults, lies, and general batshit-craziness of the MAGA cohort that spray their toxic semen in these here comments on a daily basis?
If obsessive commenting bothered you then you would focus far more on sarc than me. So that's odd but it fits with your apparent belief I should focus my attention on what you dislike.
That's weirdly narcissistic.
Reflective of being Dumber Than a Bag of Rocks.
It's just sarc spazzing out with his sock because you made him look stupid.
Working on the J6 prosecution is "weaponizing government?" Investigating a referral from federal agencies re missing classified documents, then lying about having them, then lying about having turned them over? "Weaponizing government?" Letitia James, maybe, but she is an elected STATE NOT FEDERAL official (politician) who got Trump convicted on 31 counts, so you can't call that malicious prosecution. Trump on the other hand is ordering malicious prosecution of people against whom he has been told there is no evidence. Prosecute them anyway, says the raging orangutan who couldn't score 25th percentile on the LSAT.
It's kind of funny you picked your own examples for what is not weaponizing government and found them compelling.
Give yourself a pat on the back.
Sending FBI agents to arrest anybody NEAR the Capitol (not even inside the building, mind you) for years and locking them in solitary for a year. Also odd that those agencies did not notice that Biden had secret documents, for decades --- that he had zero ability to have. The docs they took? Docs Trump declassified and Biden later reclassified (which is utterly pointless once a declassification happens).
Letitia James and Fani Willis both had multiple DoJ employees working on their prosecutions.
And we can easily call a conviction by a kangaroo court for no crime laughable. We do.
The Durham prosecutions were the most brazen political witchhunt in history.
No, they were not.
He was investigating the witch-hunters.
Except we saw the trials—they were a joke!
34 counts, 1 for each ledger entry, isn’t “malicious” to you? This after the fact that it was such a non campaign finance violation that the feds never pursued it?
Really?
Donnie furious as statue of him holding hands with Jeffy is unveiled in DC:
https://www.themirror.com/news/politics/trump-reacts-furiously-giant-statue-1406896
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Go back to mopping splooge up in the Tenderloin, Sevo.
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
You were banned for posting links to child porn.
Oh lord, not this again.
If convicting the guy and nearly killing him didn't spell the end, I doubt a mass memorial that saw about 100 million people total view the event is going to do it. Most of the complaints about it seem to center on the fact that Trump didn't make some bullshit appeal for unity that no one on either side was going to believe, anyway.
There's an absolute bottomless well of cope regarding "the end of MAGA," probably because every nascent populist movement in the GOP has been strangled in its crib by the party since Theodore Roosevelt left office. The cuckservative right in particular has been making the same fucking boilerplate laments about him for a decade now, instead of doing something like, oh, actually taking the GOP voter base seriously for the first time in 100 years instead of pontificating about how they should just be put back in charge because "character matters" and other bullshit glittering generalities that have been thoroughly debunked in the last 30-plus years, or appealing to principles that they don't have the balls to actually defend when the Democrats tell them "boo."
I can at least understand it from a libertarian perspective, but this is still a niche movement that has very little influence in the larger political environment outside of the occasional spoiler vote. So no, this isn't something that's going to spell the end of MAGA, and Trump's out of office in January 2029 anyway.
You’re right. MAGA won’t die this year. But by 2028 it will wither away just like the GOP love for Dubya did in 2007/08.
Dubya is a pariah now.
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy
About time you tried therapy.
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy
Never not funny
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Dubya was the tail end of the neocon era, which began in the mid-80s. That was ending regardless because they didn't want to acknowledge the reality that their voters were quickly becoming more populist instead of being go-along-to-get-along types. Nominating Romney and then watching him roll over for Obama and Crowley in the second debate was the final nail in the coffin.
Benghazi wasn’t a terrorist attack…but Manda Bay and Manbij both which happened under Trump were terrorist attacks…so I assume you didn’t vote for Trump??
SBF, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. he's is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
SBF lies; it’s what he does. SBF is a lying pile of lefty shit.
This isn’t a lie—if Trump wants me to transition into a woman so that he can hump me I will! I would do anything for that man…including becoming a woman!!
Jesus, you're even worse at the AC imitations than Hank.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Jr. is a pariah because the Republican base grew tired of milquetoast Republicans who rolled over and showed their belly every time a Democrat looked at them sideways. Then they had the audacity to throw their neocon nutsacks around and endorsed Biden and Harris because they care more about forever war than anything else.
You get to own those clowns now, demshill.
But to the extent that the broader MAGA movement doubles or triples down on its policies and rhetoric on display, it will only become even less popular.
MAGA:
2015: MAGA!
2020: *MAGA doubles down*
2024: *MAGA triples down*
ANTI-MAGA:
2015: LOL MAGA!
2020: LOL MAGA!
2024: LOL MAGA!
Why the Charlie Kirk Memorial Might Spell the End of Trump and MAGA
Yeah right.
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters". -DJT
Then there was Miller, who in an August appearance on Sean Hannity's Fox News program said, "The Democrat [sic] Party does not fight for, care about, or represent American citizens. It is an entity devoted exclusively to the defense of hardened criminals, gang-bangers, and illegal, alien killers and terrorists. The Democrat Party is not a political party. It is a domestic extremist organization."
Extremely accurate and fair characterization of the democrat party. He only forgot to include homeless miscreants which they treat like hindu sacred cows in every city in america now.
When Trump declares his political opposition to be terrorists and outlaws dissent, you will jump for joy.
Does antifa commit acts of terror? Yes or no?
What outlawed dissent?
Reminder on what you've supported:
Trump off Twitter
Covid censorship
Covid camps in Australia
1.5B against Alex Jones
Legal attacks against Trump, his lawyers, state actors, and alternate electors
Death and jailing of J6ers
Going after Gen Flynn
Trump felony charges
I'm sure I'm missing a few dozen.
Sarcles will play the “no takebacks” card thinking schoolyard antics are some law of the land.
Sarc, Google just admitted that they censored people on YouTube at the behest of the Biden administration. Try to keep up.
Yes they did! And it was a terrible violation of the 1A!
Which makes whatever Trump does ok!
When sarc says he criticizes Dems this is what he means. He'll do it when he thinks doing so makes his attacks on the right more effective.
Your broken, get help.
What did Trump censor?
Poor sarcbot.
He was extremely charitable, he didn’t even mention the industrial scale graft and looting of the public coffers to enrich themselves
Is this one of the times we're supposed to believe he means exactly what he says or is this one of those times when we're supposed to ignore what he says because of course he was kidding and/or just playing to the base.
Yes. Whichever is convenient in the moment.
what did he say? i havent found a single objectionable quote from Trump in this article.
Of course you haven't. You've never found an objectionable quote from Trump.
Yet you couldn't post one.
Which quotes did you find most troublesome?
Man, I'm sorry I missed this total crashout by sarc this afternoon.
Not sure, but it is time for you to acknowledge you are a slimy pile of lying TDS-addled shit.
Fuck off and die, shitstain.
Based on the clip I saw last night, it was pretty obviously him working the crowd. It’s a 50/50 chance on anything he says though, so it’s best to just ignore until action is taken.
Not that it really matters, he could have smoking gun proof that Biden was the second shooter on the grassy knoll or that the highest levels of government colluded to try and destroy his first term, and people wouldn’t believe it and accuse him of weaponizing government and revenge.
hahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
When you wishcast upon a jacket,
Makes no difference, we see thru your racket
Amazing
If we learned anything from the past few months, culminating in the political assassination of a man who just wanted to sit and talk about ideas with leftists... it is that the left in america must be destroyed. It is absolutely clear.
Wish casting again by deranged Nick Gillespie who once again is displaying that he lacks the ability to be rational. While I'm not onboard with Trump's agenda, didn't vote for Trump, I'm still appalled by the sheer stupidity and irrational apoplectic behavior of the left including Nick Gillespie.
Nick Gillespie is crying wolf at such a frequency that everyone becomes tone-deaf and couple it with the dearth of criticism when the white house has an occupant from a different party make me seriously doubt that Nick Gillespie a libertarian, but more likely a leftist mole who is attempting to damage the libertarian movement.
The libertarian movement is largely a mixture of liberal and conservative ideas, but Nick Gillespie is solely focused on the leftmost ideas and goes out of his way to impugn anything slightly conservative.
The current recoil from the far left is not going to stop anytime soon as Nick Gillespie wishes. It may however moderate. The younger generation is disgusted by both sides, but appear to be trending towards a more traditional approach. The reality is that the Democrat and Republican parties are comprised of illogical coalitions and surely don't represent younger generations.
My wish casting is that the Democrat and Republican parties fracture into multiple smaller parties, that the country has 20 or more political parties instead of the farce of the uni-party that the Democrat and Republican parties are factions of.
Nick Gillespie is just another leftist cog of the uni-party tasked with preventing the libertarian movement from growing. Far to motivated is supporting the establishment that working toward libertarian progress.
Whose sock are you?
Writes too well to be one of our MAGA-morons.
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
The walls are closing in. but before they get fully closed, they have to go halfway, but before they can go halfway of that, they have to first go halfway of that, so theoretically the walls will never quite close completely. I'm pretty sure the walls will be closing in long after we're all dead.
Yet such a profound expression of grief and forgiveness was overwhelmed by the crassly political messaging voiced by speakers such as President Donald Trump, Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy Stephen Miller, and media hypeman Tucker Carlson.
Keerist in a spittoon, Nick! What about Kimmel? You think he and his crass brethren are doing better for their side?
How tone deaf are you? This is about the dumbest take on Charlie Kirk since Kimmel got suspended.
Of course this will not hurt MAGA a bit. The more crass and boarish Trump is the more they love him. These are not normal people.
Even normal people believe and do really stupid shit once they get involved in a cult.
You have first hand and ongoing experience with that.
Yeah. I have family who is in that cult.
Trump hasn't got the creativity to be as crass as all the TDS lefties kicking over Charlie Kirk memorials. Do you really think those people are going to bring the fence-sitters to the Democratic side?
Is it part of a false flag? Please explain.
False fag operation, I think is the current theory.
"These are not normal people."
Coming from this steaming pile of TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit, this is RICH!
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Maybe you should talk to your side about not slandering the dead, justifying an assassination, and celebrating somebody's murder.
You have no leg to stand on.
It doesn't think it wasn't an assassination, it thinks Kirk sacrificed himself in some false flag plot.
No, seriously.
Remember when MAGAs were all giddy and giggling when Pelosi's husband was whacked with a hammer?
But they never rejoice when their enemies are harmed. Nope. Only leftists do that.
I remember when former potus Jimmy Carter died. Looks a bit different than your team blue friends commenting here regarding Charlie Kirk’s assassination:
https://reason.com/video/2024/12/29/jimmy-carter-the-great-deregulator-1924-2024/?comments=true#comments
You mean there were no TikToks celebrating his demise?
Is Pelosi's husband a worldwide known political figure who was murdered on live TV , shrike?
Well, he was nearly killed for his political beliefs of allowing derange people with hammers into his home, so there's that.
I do remember and I also remember how little interest Republicans show when school kids are shot. I also remember that every Democrat from center to left expressed their sympathy to Kirk's family and decried political violence.
No you don't. The outliers represent the whole.
Like all those center to left Democrats in Congress who held their tongues during that memorial moment?
More than half voted against the resolution to condemn the murder. Then bragged about it on social media.
By trannies?
Seriously, go fuck yourself.
I do remember and I also remember how little interest Republicans show when school kids are shot.
The school shootings are inspired by Columbine, which the press made a cause celebre for social maladapts by portraying it as the result of "toxic jock culture" rather than the reality, which is that Harris was a sociopath and Klebold was a follower that went along with whatever Harris did. But your team had to have its "oppressed/oppressor" bullshit story to push. Thanks for giving these assholes a cultural touchpoint to justify their murders.
Meanwhile, over 2.5 times as many people die from alcohol-related causes, including drunk driving and domestic violence, but I don't see you retards talking about bringing back Prohibition or calling for "common sense alcohol control." Poser.
I also remember that every Democrat from center to left expressed their sympathy to Kirk's family and decried political violence.
Holy shit, son, if you're going to lie, at least not do it so blatantly. Your teammates aren't losing their jobs because they're expressing sympathy. The fuck you think you're kidding?
"...Holy shit, son, if you're going to lie, at least not do it so blatantly..."
Raging TDS =/= reality.
One quibble Red, per the alcohol article this weekend, it seems him and his retarded allies WERE trying to bring back Prohibition.
I’m not surprised your memories are also false.
"Sen. Ted Cruz (R–Texas), who said Federal Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr's censorial threats were "right out of Goodfellas.""
It's always wise to use a cultural stereotype when you're criticizing people you disagree with. It makes you look so much better than Carr looks, especially to Italian Americans.
It's drivel like this that makes me read only one or two articles every week on reason.com. I used to read some every day. Sadly, Reason is dying because of this group of partisan hacks with large vocabularies. Way to go Nick. It's time for an Old Yeller moment.
I seldom read the articles. None by Gillespie.
We know you don't. Hence your poor takes and inability to engage with the written issues. Why spend so much free time in an arena with people you detest and learning absolutely nothing? You gotta respect yourself better than that son.
"...Why spend so much free time in an arena with people you detest and learning absolutely nothing?.."
That mirror must be painful, asswipe
LOL... And that my friends is what a TDS article looks like.
'What Trump said was soooooooooo awful because..."
"Um Er... Tariffs, Flat-Lies about the debt and unemployment."
Oh whoops kinda went off-track there didn't we?
Couldn't find any grounds to dispute what was said about Demon-rats. ????
So the next best thing is to attack the messenger.
Trump abuses power. Blame Democrats!
Trumps said something! He's abusing power! /s
In the land of TDS OCD.
Are those holes in your head self inflicted?
"Um Er... Tariffs, Flat-Lies about the debt and unemployment."
And some poll says Xn of the population is worried about the economy!!!
And a Geroge Mason prof SAID SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!
JEEZE, DO I HAVE TO CONNECT ALL THE DOTS?!?!?!?!?!?!
Over... whelmed with stagflation. I Can't Breathe!!!
What I see here is mostly fagflation…with Trump supporters wanting to clasp Trump’s balls when he splooges into whatever whore he’s fucking. Wear gloves! 😉
From a TDS-addled steaming pile of shit.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
“If I say it maybe it will be true”. Nice try Nick the Dick. Not likely.
RIP Charlie
Was the Lincoln Memorial the end of the anti-slavery movement? I mean, what with Lincoln being portrayed, sitting on a throne, adorned with two fasci, emperor-like with a stern look on his countenance? What kind of a look is that?
"Why the Charlie Kirk Memorial Might Spell the End of Trump and MAGA"
Are the walls closing in, asswipe? No.
Is it the beginning of the end, shitstain? No.
Will TDS-addled assholes like you EVER recover? Are you kidding? This represents their entire LIVES!
Does Nick agree with the Jews and Zionist-neocons who believe the New Testament is anti-Semitic?
The Jews killed Jesus…Tucker said so. Plus, I find The Passion of the Christ anti-Roman….Mel clearly wanted to continue making movies and everyone knows who controls Hollywood.
Folks, we have nothing to worry about. This and the voice-mail tree at your local power company are as good as AI is going to get.
And it is pathetic, ain't it?
Not a Christian nationalist or religious person. But I don't have any animosity for these people. It's pretty clear that these people see this murder as an attack on their faith and are responding with vigils and prayers unlike the George Floyd rioters who responded with arson and murder. Which, by the way, was totally cool with Reason. The only issue in those days was unmarked white vans. Ah, good times. I don't know the intersection of Christians with MAGA and Nick doesn't either but a couple hundred thousand people showing up for a funeral somehow fortells the death of MAGA because tariffs or something. In the Reason tradition Nick appeals to the authority of pollsters. These are, bear in mind, the same people who have been dead wrong about everything for at least a decade. And even if they accidentally got it right this time we would need to know the popularity of the alternative before we bury MAGA. A quick look at the polls shows the Democrats trailing Trump by huge numbers. Just hang up the jacket and retire or start a leftist podcast that nobody will subscribe to. Take off the libertarian costume and be the leftist we all know you are. You'll feel better.
You nailed it.
^+1. From an atheist.
- 1 from a Satanist. Hail Satan!!
From a TDS-addled steaming pile of shit.
Fuck off and die.
The drugs have finally fried the jackets brain.
Methinks TDS is playing a role in his downfall.
^^^^ more fagflation believing Trump’s splooge is like ivermectin and cures cancer. 😉
More ranting from TDS-addled lying pile of shit. Fuck off and die.
We get it Nick, you're fully on-board with the insane, murderous psycho terrorists of the DNC.
Crooks was a bitter clinger MAGA Republican!! Tyler was from the MAGA Family Robinson. Both raised as Christian gun nuts in Trump cuntry.
TDS-addled shits repeating lies never changes the lies into other than lies, TDS-addled shit.
Fuck off and die.
BTW:
"CNN Predicts DOOMSDAY for The Democrats"
[...]
"New CNN Polling Reveals Democrats Have Already LOST The 2026 Midterms"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7eZBUawgHM
Those are CNN numbers, TDS-addled shits
All they had to do was not be crazy.
Which, of course, is the problem. The Ds see (crazily) opposing Trump as the only option.
They're working hard to earn what they get!
Don’t you know I’m loco, ese??
Fuck off, shitstain
I knew Reason was desperate, but I didn't know they were THIS desperate.
So, who's bankrolling Reason?
Your handle and timing suggest trolling.
Do you think Trump is a gentle lover??
Fuck of and die asswipe.
I think it’s a dig at Jeff.
Donald Trump - target of two assassination and the most coordinated witch hunt against a single politician in America's history
Jimmy Kimmel - defames half the country after an unspeakable tragedy
Gillegpie - "Trump is being mean and vindictive"
No, Nick. If a rape victim swears she'll get her rapist and curses him out, you don't fault her for being dramatic.
I'm not going to fixate on (groan) tariffs and drugs on a time like this. It's just incredible that the libertarians are indifferent to the threat waged against Jews, conservatives, the religious right, and many others who are necessary to defend even a libertarianish society.
Just remember that when they start shooting YOU, we'd be the only people left to come to your defense. The insane left was all ready to chew out the libertarians for taking votes away from Hillary as recently as 2016.
"that the libertarians"
Reason is by no means "the libertarians".
I don't normally post this late, but this whole comment section is a shit show and I'm loving it.
edit: Also, taxation is theft.
Welcome to the last place in the world that should be called “Reason”!! Hail Satan!!
OK, open to suggestions regarding the assholic troll SBF:
Ignore?
Reply with "fuck off and die"?
Other?
Speeches by the president, Stephen Miller, and Tucker Carlson will accelerate dislike of the president’s agenda.
Only on Bluesky.
A short video clip of it may also remove tone and context.
What does Trump care. The left has been doing that to Charlie since about six nanoseconds after the bullet reached him. Trump knows, from experience, that's what they're going to do - and he also knows that the majority of this nation has tuned out the people doing it.
What the left is trying to spin in narratives like this is the notion that Trump, in speaking for Charlie, was speaking as Charlie. What it fails - intentionally - to understand is that Trump and Charlie have very different goals.
Charlie wanted to elevate the conversation and break the cycle of indoctrination. One of my favorite things he said was that how he could undo four years of indoctrination in 15 minutes of dialog. That was his goal. He wanted to help the victims of the left. And he was very good at it.
Trump's goal is different. He's taking on the aggressors of the left. Trump wants to kick everyone pissing all over America while telling us its raining straight in the nuts. And this is why he has such massive support, because all his supporters belief that kick is well overdue and twice as deserved.
Both are desperately needed right now in this nation. I don't 100% agree with Trump's methods, but I do agree that it's time to shovel the puke that leftists vomit up right back down their throats.
Charlie wanted the best for those who can still be saved. Trump wants the worst for those who can't. There is nothing inconsistent or paradoxical about that.
Miller cannot conceive of disagreement as stemming from anything other than a to-the-death commitment to destroy Western civilization
And why would he? The left has openly bragged that this is their plan and their goal.
like Trump and many of the speakers at the service, implied that the shooter is in no way the lone gunman he appears to have been, but a representative of some sort of vast conspiracy
Not a representative - just the end product. Remember, the left wants deniability in all this. They wanted Charlie Kirk dead while still being able to say, "We never said we wanted that."
Frankfurt School/Rules for Radicals, that will create violent Radicals eagerly willing to engage in vandalism, rioting, assault, and murder while being able to say, "That's not what we intended *wink wink*"
On specific issues that are at the center of his agenda, Trump's numbers are bad and getting worse,
Bruh, even CNN and MSNBC are admitting that's not true.
"The manufacturing sector is down 31,000 jobs" over the past few months, writes Reason's Eric Boehm.
Reason citing Reason! *drink*
Pay no attention to the federal courts stymieing the efforts to rebuild them! (Also, does that include the ~500 that were at the Georgia Hyundai plant?)
"Only on Bluesky."
Don't forget Mastadon!
Don't forget Reason staff.
OK, open to suggestions regarding the troll SBF:
Ignore?
Reply with "fuck off and die"?
Other?
Ignore.
+1
Ignore. It's like a 13 year old playing madlibs with insults and random "edgy" comments.
Tell you what. If the administration agrees to ostracize (Athenian style, 10 years) Miller and Carlson, I will work tirelessly to do the same to Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann, and 3 other players to be named later. Deal?
Nick is an avowed left minarchist. All kinds of state interventionism he believes in. This reads like an article from Mother Jones. Kind of used to respect Nick, but this is just boriing leftist analysis. I am embarrassed for Nick. I don't understand the lack of critique by Reason of the Biden administration. Even after Trump won, the critique of Biden was tepid at best. Libertarians used to stand for economic liberty as well as civil liberty. In fact, some of us thought you couldn't have one without the other. If Nick or any of the commenters here want to embrace real libertarianism, quit voting for psychopaths. In fact stop voting. It's immoral. Start embracing property rights and capitalism. And the libertarian party can quit putting up groomer homosexual pedophiles that hate economic liberty as candidates. That's the job of the left. Even the left did slighly better by putting up that drunken fool Kumrag Harris.
Have to claim some hope.
Got "Reason" as a mimeographed publication from Santa Barbara in the '70s (got receipts). You are correct in accepting that it has turned into a raging left-wing rag since then.
Some of us who have witnessed the degradation are sad. The TDS-addled lefty lying piles of lefty shit seem pleased
“Miller cannot conceive of disagreement as stemming from anything other than”
There’s a lot of that going around…
After days of silence, Joe Rogan weighs in on Kimmel’s suspension
After days of silence, a guy who has an audience weighs in on another guy who doesn't have an audience.