Why the Charlie Kirk Memorial Might Spell the End of Trump and MAGA
Speeches by the president, Stephen Miller, and Tucker Carlson will accelerate dislike of the president’s agenda.
Sunday's massive, televised memorial service for Charlie Kirk contained grace notes that were simply breathtaking to behold. "That young man…I forgive him," said Kirk's widow Erika, speaking of alleged killer Tyler Robinson. "I forgive him because it was what Christ did, and it's what Charlie would do."
Yet such a profound expression of grief and forgiveness was overwhelmed by the crassly political messaging voiced by speakers such as President Donald Trump, Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy Stephen Miller, and media hypeman Tucker Carlson. By using the occasion to score cheap partisan points and indulge in weird personal obsessions, they managed to drag the service into Idiocracy meets The Hunger Games territory. Indeed, far from being the launching pad for "the storm" and the "awaken[ing]" of the "dragon" that Miller prophesied, Sunday's event may well represent the high-water mark of Trump's final term and the crescendo of MAGA more broadly as the negative and unpopular effects of his policies become unmistakable.
Taking the stage after Erika Kirk, Trump averred, "He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them." While some Trump supporters insist that the president was engaging in a self-deprecating display to honor Charlie Kirk's memory, even they show discomfort. As PJ Media's Tim O'Brien grants, "On paper or online, this is an easy line to misread. A short video clip of it may also remove tone and context. To be fair, Trump's patented deadpan delivery doesn't help with some people, who, even when they watch him say his words, still aren't able to pick up his self-deprecation. Then, of course, is the fact that there is a certain degree of truth in what he says."
Indeed, Trump is nothing if not vindictive to opponents big and small, real and imagined. In his remarks, he managed to squeeze in a reference to late-night host Jimmy Kimmel as an "anchor [who] had no talent and no ratings" along with an ardent defense of his controversial and unpopular tariff policy. "Tariffs are making us rich again," he said. "Richer than anybody ever thought was possible. And the only one challenging them are people that hate our country or foreign countries that are paying a price….Charlie understood that." He also promised that "I think we found an answer to autism," teasing yesterday's announcement about a supposed connection between Tylenol and the condition.
These are strange things to say at a memorial service for a 31-year-old father of two felled by an assassin's bullet. But Trump was overshadowed in sheer weirdness and off-putting affect by the massively popular former Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who told the thousands in attendance that Kirk's assassination reminded him of "his favorite story ever." He proceeded to set the scene: "It's about 2,000 years ago in Jerusalem, and Jesus shows up and he starts talking about the people in power, and he starts doing the worst thing that you can do, which is telling the truth about people." Carlson then describes a room full of presumably Jewish critics of Christ, saying, "I can just sort of picture the scene in a lamp-lit room with a bunch of guys sitting around eating hummus, thinking about—'What do we do about this guy telling the truth about us? We must make him stop talking.' And there's always one guy with the bright idea, and I can just hear him say, 'I've got an idea. Why don't we just kill him? That'll shut him up, that'll fix the problem."
Carlson laughs in a way that can charitably be described as demented, even as he is invoking a version of the "deicide myth," or the idea that Jews killed Christ and continue to bear responsibility for his death. He is clearly drawing a comparison between Jesus and Kirk, though the analogy seems off, if only because Kirk was on speed dial with Trump and many members of the Republican Party who control both houses of Congress and a majority of statehouses. Indeed, the story seems less intended to say anything about Kirk and more to burnish Carlson's reputation as "America's leading purveyor of antisemitic ideas," as a recent National Review article called him.
Then there was Miller, who in an August appearance on Sean Hannity's Fox News program said, "The Democrat [sic] Party does not fight for, care about, or represent American citizens. It is an entity devoted exclusively to the defense of hardened criminals, gang-bangers, and illegal, alien killers and terrorists. The Democrat Party is not a political party. It is a domestic extremist organization."
Earlier in September, Miller inveighed against "a vast, organized ecosystem of indoctrination" comprising "child services, law clerks, hospital nurses, teachers, gov't workers, even DOD employees" who "have been deeply and violently radicalized." This is the paranoid style in American politics on steroids, spoken not from some marginal fringe position but from the White House itself. Like his boss and many MAGA social media stalwarts, Miller cannot conceive of disagreement as stemming from anything other than a to-the-death commitment to destroy Western civilization or, same thing, Trump's policy agenda.
Miller's comments at Kirk's memorial struck a similarly combative and hyperbolic note and, like Trump and many of the speakers at the service, implied that the shooter is in no way the lone gunman he appears to have been, but a representative of some sort of vast conspiracy which is marching in lockstep against the Trump and MAGA agenda. He invoked they without ever defining the term with any precision or specificity.
They cannot imagine what they have awakened.
They cannot conceive of the army that they have arisen in all of us because we stand for what is good, what is virtuous, what is noble. And to those trying to incite violence against us, those trying to foment hatred against us, what do you have? You have nothing. You are nothing. You are wickedness. You are jealousy. You are envy. You are hatred. You are nothing. You can build nothing. You can produce nothing. You can create nothing.
It would be comforting to write off such rhetoric as grief deranged by the utter horror of a political assassination if it didn't comport with everything we know about Miller going back to his student days. The logic of Miller's thinking is clear—to oppose the president is to be part of an "organized ecosystem of indoctrination" and paves the way for endless harassment of anyone or any group that challenges Trump and the MAGA agenda.
But is Miller correct when asserting to critics of Trump and MAGA, "You cannot defeat us. You cannot slow us. You cannot stop us. You cannot deter us"?
Almost certainly not, and not for any nefarious reasons. By politicizing every aspect of everyday life, Trump and MAGA have exhausted more and more of us. Coupled with policy failure, the result is falling support for a candidate who captured just shy of 50 percent of the popular vote against arguably the worst Democratic candidate of the past 50 years. It's meaningful that Trump gained voter share among young people and many ethnic and racial minorities—that's a testament to the awfulness of Joe Biden's presidency and the public's interest in reversing course.
But Trump's collapse is on his hands, not those of any conspiracy. Per RealClearPolitics' average of polls, the last time Trump's approval rating was higher than his disapproval rating was back in March. Currently, his disapproval is at 52.6 percent, just 0.1 of a point below his worst ever rating since January. His administration's lashing out at ABC and Disney over Kimmel's remarks about Kirk's shooter and Trump's response have drawn rebukes not simply from regular critics such as Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) but from MAGA allies such as Sen. Ted Cruz (R–Texas), who said Federal Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr's censorial threats were "right out of Goodfellas." Attorney General Pam Bondi's statements about criminalizing the nonconstitutional category of "hate speech" drew similar outcries from a variety of conservatives who usually support the president, including Megyn Kelly, Matt Walsh, and even Carlson, who said, "Any attempt to impose hate speech laws in this country…cannot be allowed under any circumstances."
On specific issues that are at the center of his agenda, Trump's numbers are bad and getting worse, according to a recent Washington Post–Ipsos poll. Sixty-four percent of Americans disapprove of his handling of tariffs, 60 percent disapprove of his handling of the Russia-Ukraine war, 58 percent disapprove of his actions regarding Israel and Gaza, 55 percent disapprove of his immigration stance, and 54 percent don't like his handling of crime.
On the economy—arguably the most important issue for any president—59 percent are unhappy. "Brace yourself," cautions George Mason University economist Tyler Cowen at The Free Press. "Here comes stagflation," the defining condition of the 1970s' economic malaise, which denotes simultaneous high inflation and high unemployment. He predicts inflation pushing up to 4 percent and unemployment hitting 7 percent over the next year and a half. Though low by '70s standards, those would discombobulate further the 75 percent of Americans (and 51 percent of Republicans!) who already believe the country is headed in the wrong direction.
All causes have Trump and MAGA's thumbprints on them. Tariffs increase prices (Cowen notes that coffee is up 14.5 percent since last July and ground beef just hit an all-time high of $6.33 per pound in August) and the president is goading the Federal Reserve to reduce interest rates and increase the money supply. As happened in his first term, government spending and national debt are up, and so is unemployment, especially in the very sectors tariffs and reduced immigration were supposed to save. "The manufacturing sector is down 31,000 jobs" over the past few months, writes Reason's Eric Boehm. "Other blue-collar sectors like construction and mining are down over that same period." "The politics of stagflation tend to lead to voter dissatisfaction," writes Cowen. "So however bad the public mood feels to you right now, there is a good chance it will get worse."
The inability or unwillingness of Trump and his allies to shift course and temperament are pretty clear. ("The De-escalation of Politicization Can't Be One-Sided," blares a headline at The Daily Signal.) Erika Kirk will be taking over Turning Point USA, the organization her husband founded, and perhaps she will season its political commitments with the powerful Christian forgiveness she displayed on Sunday. "The answer to hate is not hate," she said on Sunday. "Love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us."
But to the extent that the broader MAGA movement doubles or triples down on its policies and rhetoric on display, it will only become even less popular.
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I really think that almost everyone who watched the memorial is either decidedly already on Trump's side, or absolutely are not and never will be.
But impotent right-wing rejects think their hurt feelings are relevant to anyone outside their bubble. While actual americans are more concerned about relevant, tangible things, such as import costs, the cost of making a living and running a business, job security.
The trump administration is making outsized efforts to alienate voters, and I think theyre succeeding.
If a retarded late night host REEEEES in front of a camera, but no one broadcasts it, does he still make a sound?
I laughed out loud at your comment! You have made my day.
Love ya
Slimy piles of lying lefty shits wish they were so obviously slimy piles of lying lefty shit.
Unfortunately, you are OBVIOUSLY a slimy pile of lying lefty shit.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Go outside. Touch grass. Breathe deeply. Forgive yourself and your parents.
Go in the basement, huff glue until you die, slimy pile of TDS-addled shit
It’s not nice to hold a mirror up to wokies.
Kill yourself
"But impotent right-wing rejects think their hurt feelings are relevant"
Not just hurt feelings but also their hurt earlobe, and a neck artery, and shattered pelvis, and bleeding chest and arm, and crushed skull, etc...
Please don't go shoot someone now, Sarc.
By “actual Americans” you must mean the minority liberals.
Fun fact: I didn't even know there was a memorial.
Analysis: MAGA watched and enjoyed the memorial, non(anti) MAGA who watched it already hated MAGA... so doesn't Nick's assessment demand that MAGA watched and hated the memorial?
Edit:
ANTI-MAGA: This whole thing is creepy!
MAGA: MAGA!
ANTI-MAGA: It's the end of MAGA!
I watched it like you watch a really bad movie that is unintentionally funny due to the ineptness and unwavering confidence of the director. It was highly entertaining.
you should be on a watch list
LOL seethe
LOL? Really? Grow up, shitstain.
Easy Sevo - you'll be hitting puberty yourself before you know it. It starts with a deepening of the voice; soon after, constant masturbation.
Sevo is in the menopause stage.
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy
turd, the TDS-addled asswipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Why do you spend any time addressing something so far beneath yourself? It’s not worth any attention.
You were banned for posting a link to child porn.
Easy, there shitstain, perhaps they'll allow you the 1st grade after the best five years of your life.
Fuck off and die, Dumber Than a Bag of Rocks.
Stop samefagging replies for your own sockpuppets, Sarcasmic.
No, it doesn't. Many, I would guess the majority like you and me, did not watch it BUT heard about it later, maybe saw footage. So, seriously, how can this NOT be the high-water mark for MAGArump?
For reasons Nick raises, but just as a matter those intangibles mood and momentum, looks like their only direction is down. We will know for sure in the days, or maybe just minutes, after Kimmel's first monologue.
Yes, let’s all pay attendance to the late night has-been.
Lol. Full cope. The left continues to double down retard. They continue to collapse.
Pray harder to your statist gods.
Statist, eh? Apparently you haven’t been paying attention to the government since January 20th. Otherwise you’d realize who the statist is.
Paleocons love a cruel and vicious President who punishes their enemies. Authoritarianism is just a bonus.
"Fun fact: I didn't even know there was a memorial."
I'm with you. I don't do hero worship of any kind and I would have been extra uninterested when I learned Tucker Carlson was speaking. But by all indications Kirk was a man of actual convictions, which is rare. And it seems like he argued in good faith, which is even more rare.
I think what most of us who aren't MAGA or dieTrumpdie have been shocked by is how tonedeaf the left continues to be after their 2024 raping. I know they're mentally ill, mind you. I just thought they were clever enough to keep it under wraps a little better than this. But I guess those of us who lean right or non-left have no idea what it's like to live in a 24-7 bubble.
"...I think what most of us who aren't MAGA or dieTrumpdie have been shocked by is how tonedeaf the left continues to be after their 2024 raping. I know they're mentally ill, mind you. I just thought they were clever enough to keep it under wraps a little better than this. But I guess those of us who lean right or non-left have no idea what it's like to live in a 24-7 bubble."
^+1. It's like the continual 'the walls are closing in! It's the beginning of the end!' mantra.
No, it isn't; YOU are fucking nuts. (Not you WB).
Clarification not needed, but appreciated.
I'm beginning to believe Gillespie is the most underrated retard on the staff. Sullum, Boehm, et al put it out there on a near-daily basis, and it's just terrible. But Gillespie chimes in infrequently yet makes less and less sense each time he does, which I think is worse.
Gilespy wrote a book about the librarian movement. He has never been right.
It's why he has relegated himself to interviewing retards that he looks up to for some reason
Look at the writers on X. Wolfe is pretty good on there and Soave is decent. The rest of them sperg out with constant TDS and anti-right posts and reposts. Gillespie and Bailey have been furiously reposting every anti-Trump thing they can find lately.
The right is waking up. Gillespie is just repeating nonsense.
Even people in the middle left are starting to realize the left is gone
wishcasting perhaps
Apparently there’s only two sides in MAGAworld: MAGA and anti-MAGA. The idea that there is a vast number of people who aren’t married to either extreme escapes MAGA, probably because their fanaticism is so strong they can’t imagine anyone not being equally fanatic.
Media breakthroughs generally help the right. That's because the left's message is already disseminated throughout the culture through schools, mass media, and culture all of which completely support the left's message.
The interesting thing about this is that these breakthrough events can shed information on either the left or the right, but both tend to help the right politically. That's because the left propaganda machine is so strong a breakthrough story about the right will generally be something positive the left tried to suppress, but a story about the left will generally be a negative story about the left they have heretofore successfully suppressed. So the difference is the common decency of even activists on the right compared to "Defund the Police" and "your kindergartener is a white supremacist" on the left.
I would tend to agree. Polling constantly shows that everyone knows what the left believes, because they shove it down your throat 24/7. But for the beliefs of the right, a plurality only know what the left tells them the right believes.
I'm not going to claim the three speakers Gillespie singled out are the greatest salesman for conservative values, but I imagine a lot of the other speakers were pretty solid. Plus, you know, being able to hold a giant event without it devolving into rapes, arson and riots must be a revelation to the left.
Polling constantly shows that everyone knows what the left believes,
One quibble, polling shows everyone knows the left's public facing beliefs. But the reason the BLM momentum failed is that people learned there's a big difference between these public beliefs and the left's true beliefs including "defund the police" and "your kindergartener is a white supremacist".
It is all narrative curating on the left. Headline reading with no inspection.
Fair enough, though I think they have gotten so full of themselves and far out there that they don't even hold those back anymore. See: Their public reactions to Kirk's murder.
"...Polling constantly shows that everyone knows what the left believes, because they shove it down your throat 24/7..."
Sit in an airport boarding lounge? A dental waiting room? And then express something to the right of CNN and get accused of 'living in a bubble'?
I think Nick should recognize he’s washed up, and quietly retire.
I would like to see Trump marry Erika…Barron is old enough that he no longer needs a daddy and Melania can’t become president. Erika is my pick for president in 2028 if she marries Trump.
I would like to see you fuck off and die, asswipe.
It would be such an honor to be a woman and get humped by Trump…I know I would let him hump me if I transitioned to a woman.
Lie and whine and hate is all the right does, every day all day. This comment section is a perfect example.
Pro tip: stop eating Tide Pods.
All these sycophant weakling for the left is doing is projecting his leftist, anti-American, and anti-Constitutional drivel in hopes that America fall and becomes a banana republic so they can rule! England, Italy, and the rest of Europe is finding out what weak leadership means!
This article is wishful thinking.
I guarantee at least 30% of the population is 100% in agreement with Trump and Carlson.
The sun never sets on the left side of the bell curve.
This will be just like tariffs, right? Ripples? Are the walls closing in?
The normies are getting disgusted with team blue trying to lie about the suspect, false equivalence, boaf sidez, mischaracterizations of Kirk, and even open celebrations of a man who debated being killed by an assassin’s bullet. I get it is not an “each every all” situation, but ReReason has been engaging in some of this as have the team blue apologists in its commentariat.
Would be neat to see Nick juxtapose his position on Roseanne Barr’s cancellation with how ReReason is handling the Kimmel situation.
Ignore the 2400 new chapters of TPUSA since Kirk was killed. The walls have closed in.
So now a bunch of financially inviable magats have decided to throw their (mental) disability checks or daddys pocket money into the same donations pool as the right-wing billionaires who profit from their mental underdevelopment? Carry on.
Bitch please, you empty wastebasket in an office for. Wealthy conservative who only keeps you around out of pity.
Okay Rev, go marry a Mormon like you want to
None will have the scumbag.
Bet those 2400 will be down by half this time next year, and half again the year after. What's gonna keep them hyped? Kirk's cartoon Jeezus is for sale cheap on any street corner, and what will they do when Shlrump pulls a Yoon Suk Yeol?
If you are going to wishcast, why not pick two-thirds or three-quarters?
0.1357%
You've repeated this about tpusa since 2012 and they've grown every year despite your allies best efforts.
Well TPUSA was founded as a pro-capitalist and pro-free trade advocacy group and as late as 2018 Kirk argued that politics should be advanced through a secular worldview and there should be a separation of church and state. He said the imposition of a Christian version of morality through government policy, was wrong.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FhCKfxy83BQ&t=166s&pp=2AGmAZACAdIHCQkbAaO1ajebQw%3D%3D
Then he got sucked into the Seven Mountain Mandate, a Christian nationalist movement that advocates for Christians to take over government, education, media, family, business, arts, and religion in society.
That was the beginning of the downward spiral that ended with him being brutally murdered before he could recognize how awful he had become and change back to the person he was before.
From the beginning to the end he always stated that his worldview is formed on Christian/Biblical Principles but he was able to argue the points from a secular position as well. This is never changed.
I am just curious why you think he is an awful person? He shared the beliefs of huge majorities of the country. He actively pushed back on anyone bringing up racism in his presence. He professed love for and directly to LGBT individuals. He said everyone deserves love and respect as a human.
In 2018 he literally said that the imposition of a Christian version of morality through government policy was wrong. Was he a Christian? Yes. Was his worldview based on “Christian/Biblical Principles”? Yes. Did 2018 Charlie Kirk think that government should be Christian? No.
“ This is never changed.”
It did change. For the first six years, at least, of Turning Point’s existence he advocated for secular government and was focused on promoting and advocating for capitalism (good), free trade (good), and fiscal responsibility (good). I haven’t seen anything that shows that he supported a balanced budget, but I like to imagine that he did (which is very good).
Then he bought into the Christian Nationalist movement, specifically the overtly theocratic Seven Mountain Mandate. TPUSA morphed into an overtly Christian Nationalist organization, which is a very bad thing and antithetical to the Constitution and American values of pluralism and religious freedom.
So yes, it/he change. And changed for the worse.
“ I am just curious why you think he is an awful person?”
Because he spoke for, advocated for, and wanted to implement policies that were both unconstitutional and bigoted. If you are interested in actually knowing the details I can copy and paste a detailed post I made a few days ago. Ask and you will receive. But the upshot is that he is overtly misogynistic (women should submit to men because they are men, plus the insane Taylor Swift double-down that makes it clear), homophobic (the Bible says gays should be stoned to death, and yes he said that on Ms. Rachel’s podcast), racist (he said that DEI means that minorities are not merely getting jobs over equally competent white men, but that the question should be if they’re unqualified or incompetent), and a religious bigot (saying it is a bad thing that the mayor of London and the potential mayor of New York are Muslim).
So yes, that makes him an awful person, even if he had never tried to bring his ideas into government (which, as the head of a powerful political organization, he absolutely did).
“ He shared the beliefs of huge majorities of the country.”
No, he shared some general beliefs with large groups of people. For example, he was a Christian, but he was a fundamentalist evangelical Christian, which is a small percentage of all Christians and an even smaller percentage of Americans. He believed in marriage, as do more than half of Americans, but he believed in an extreme version where wives submit to their husbands, don’t have careers, and stay home to raise any children, which a minuscule percentage of Christians and Americans believe, probably because of the overt misogyny of it. He believed in a theocratic government, which the vast majority of Americans reject.
In short, he was an extremist. For each group that he shared general principles with, he was at the far edge, but tried to claim he was mainstream. He wasn’t.
“ He actively pushed back on anyone bringing up racism in his presence.”
No, he actively pushed back against accusations of racism, but his words show that his beliefs were that minorities were less than whites. He said the only racism in America was against white men, which is nonsense. The whole “America is racist” thing is complete nonsense, but the idea that it’s now white men who are being beaten down is insane.
If your worldview is that the last white guy in line for a job is competent, but the first black guy isn’t, you’re a racist. He spoke of minorities “stealing” white jobs, as if they belonged to whites and if an equally-qualified minority (or woman, because he also thought this way about women) got it they were “stealing” it. So yes, he was racist, and on a level that impacted his basic assumptions about race.
“ He professed love for and directly to LGBT individuals.”
Yes, someone who is pro-LGB brings up a quote from the Bible saying gays should be stoned to death in response to someone saying they love gays because the Bible says to love your neighbor. That dog doesn’t hunt.
And he was virulently and cruelly anti-trans. He called them trannys. He said they were mentally ill. He called them groomers and pedophiles. So yes, he was hateful towards LGBT people. “But he has gay friends” hasn’t been a credible defense for a long, long time.
Personally, I think he was a “those people” racist and homophobe. There is the “bad kind”, made up of the racist and homophobic stereotypes, then there’s the “good kind”, which he knows. My father was that flavor of racist, being completely civil and friendly to black people while saying that “those people” were a problem.
“ He said everyone deserves love and respect as a human.”
As a PR effort, I’m sure he did. He said “I don’t think like that” and “I’m just saying” as well, usually just before or just after he said something homophobic or racist.
Charlie Kirk was willing to face off with those who he disagreed with, which he should be commended for (although he had a bad habit of interrupting and talking over women and stating things as fact that weren’t true when he did the “Prove Me Wrong” events). And he was a very, very intelligent and charismatic man.
I’d like to think that he actually believed he was the pluralistic, kind, and decent man that his branding made him out to be. I’d like to think that someone who came from such a good place would eventually recognize the evil of the Christian Nationalist movement and go back to his roots. We’ll never know because a different man full of anger and hate brutally and unjustifiably murdered him.
The fact that he was a murder victim doesn’t make him a good person, it just means he lost all opportunity to redeem himself. And at 31 he was so young that he could have done great good if he had changed.
Just saw this and I stopped reading after your Ms. Rachel lie. That has already been proven that he was reading the verse only. He never actually espoused that. From then on you make it hard to trust what you say. Especially since you use that again and again for your arguments. Also there are multiple videos of him angrily kicking people out of his speeches that ask him racist questions. So you clearly are not the source of truth here.
You hate him because he was Christian, that seems to be the actual issue.
Won't let me edit. But I did want to mention about the stoning gays quote. Lets not forget that Stephen King was forced to apologize for saying this as well and even acknowledged he never advocated for it. It's wild that you continue it.
Sure, unbigoted people respond to someone saying they love their gay neighbors by quoting the Bible saying that gays should be stoned to death.
Steven King shouldn’t have apologized. He wasn’t wrong.
“ Just saw this and I stopped reading after your Ms. Rachel lie”
It isn’t a lie. When you’re talking to someone who says they love their neighbors like the Bible says (specifically talking about gays) and your unprompted response is to bring up a different Bible passage that talks about stoning gays to death, claiming that you aren’t a homophobe isn’t credible or believable. No one references their holy book talking about killing gay people by accident and we know Charlie wasn’t using it to cast doubt on the morality of the Bible, given his fundamentalist beliefs.
Are you really going to pretend that such a response wouldn’t make a normal person say, “Well that got dark fast. Where the hell did the killing gays thing come from? He definitely hates them if he wants to talk about the Bible saying they should be killed.”?
“ He never actually espoused that”
No, he just quotes his holy book saying that gays should be killed. Unprompted. That totally doesn’t seem like someone who’s homophobic at all.
Don’t piss on me and tell me it’s raining.
“ Especially since you use that again and again for your arguments”
I didn’t. I used it once to highlight his homophobia. I used a different quote or example for every other accusation I made, which is why it’s baffling why you would claim otherwise. The Ms. Rachel thing I will forgive you for, since right-wing silos have worked overtime to muddy the rather clear meaning of his choice of quotes.
“ Also there are multiple videos of him angrily kicking people out of his speeches that ask him racist questions”
There is a vast difference between opposing overtly racist people and holding racist beliefs or ideas. The whole black pilot thing is racist both in text and subtext. You seem to think that if someone doesn’t say overtly racist things, they aren’t racist. “Those people” racists are worse than the KKK/David Duke type, because they try to gaslight people.
Dude you can't have this conversation in good faith,based solely off you continuing this stoning gays lie. You got proven wrong and immediately moved the goalposts. If you listened to him ever you would know that he and most other Christians believe that the old covenant was satisfied by the death and resurrection of Jesus. And we no longer live under those rules other than the 10 commandments. He didn't bring it up out of nowhere and then leave it there. There was full context and he stated after what I just stated above.
Its not racist to question qualifications of poc when the hiring processes were literally made easier for them to apply and get hired over non minorities. He's not a "those people". He never espoused beliefs over an entire group, he refers to individuals. Oh and if a company is hiring less qualified people based on race (white, black, or otherwise) its antithetical to the Equal Rights Act.
So this goes on to prove that your major issue is his religion. That's fine, but don't blow smoke up everyone's ass pretending you're the arbiter of truth on Charlie Kirk. Youve been wrong plenty already and choose to double down.
Also you literally did say "he believed an extreme version... women don't have careers" and now you say you didn't say that. That's hilarious. But accuse others of gaslighting, sure. You have absolutely nothing to back that up.
You can't give any direct quotes, you can only tell people what you think he meant. The people who actually listened to what he had to say understand his love for all people.
The more I read the more I see wrong with your conclusions. He didn't advocate for women to not have jobs and only raise kids. He did mention statistics regarding work hours for men and women and women with kids choose to spend more time with the children.
He was also right about transexuals. For decades that was gender dysphoria, and then suddenly its true that people can change genders.
He stated that DEI makes people question the qualifications. Which is true. His biggest examples for this were Kamala and KJB who were nominated for their position after Biden explicitly stated he would select black women. Their record shows the fact they weren't the most qualified.
All of this has just been what you want him to mean, because that would make your hatred of him more justifiable. But all you have is your assumptions of his words that you don't actually cite and won't be able to because he never said what you claim.
“ He didn't advocate for women to not have jobs and only raise kids.”
OK, but I never said he said that. He said women should submit to their husbands. And the reason? Because they are the man. He even used Taylor Swift as an example, for God’s sake.
“ He stated that DEI makes people question the qualifications. Which is true.”
If you’re a bigot, yes. If you assume that there is a pool of qualified applicants and DEI leads employers to choose the qualified minority over the qualified white person (the truth, as anyone who’s ever hired people would know), no.
“ His biggest examples for this were Kamala and KJB who were nominated for their position after Biden explicitly stated he would select black women. Their record shows the fact they weren't the most qualified.”
Claiming that a federal judge isn’t qualified to be a Supreme Court Justice and a sitting Senator wasn’t qualified to be Vice President is absolute nonsense. You may not like the way they do the job, but that’s different that being unqualified.
Samuel Alito is a corrupt and political hack, but no one can argue he wasn’t qualified. And no one did. But racists insist KBJ was, merely because Biden said he would choose a qualified black woman over other qualified white people.
Hmmmm. There’s an astonishing amount of silence from the “Charlie Kirk was a saint” crowd when I post detailed quotes proving Kirk’s misogyny, racism, bigotry, homophobia, and anti-American Christian nationalism. I wonder why that is?
For the record, there are no quotes in your diatribe.
Oh for the love of God. Can you Motte-and-bailey any harder? Here:
Trans bigotry: Kirk constantly called trans people trannys (which is equivalent to calling a black a n*gger, a Mexican a spic, or a Jew a kike: an unambiguous, hateful slur) and insisted they were all mentally ill (and not in the “I’m arachnophobic” way, but on the “can’t make decisions for themselves” way).
He said they were groomers, when pedophilia rates among trans people (and gay people, for that matter) are indistinguishable from cisgender people.
He also said they should be "dealt with the way we did in the 1950s and 60s,". For clarification, the best way they were treated back then was lobotomies and involuntary institutionalization. But more frequently they were lynched or beaten or burned with fire (or acid).
Then there’s this gem, “So, there's a direct connection to inflation and the trans issue. You say, Charlie, come on. They couldn't be further apart. No, they're exactly the same. They're the same in this aspect - when you believe that men can become women, why wouldn't you also believe that you could print wealth? If you believe that someone can change their gender, why wouldn't you also believe that money is wealth?”. Anyone who claims this is a rational or reasonable quite has a very loose definition.
Racial bigotry: There was this gem about blacks, “They were actually better in the 1940s. It was bad. It was evil. But what happened? Something changed. They committed less crimes.”. Impressively, he stopped short of the full-on KKK belief that blacks were better as slaves, but not by much.
Then there was this: "If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, 'Boy, I hope he’s qualified.'“.
This is a two-level expression of bigotry. The most obvious, of course, is believing that, when seeing a black professional, it’s reasonable to instantly question their qualifications. Not, “He might have gotten that job instead of an equally qualified white person”. Oh, no, that’s not enough. It’s that the white guy would be qualified, but the dropoff in competence from the last white guy to the first black guy is the difference between competence and incompetence.
He later insisted, once, that he didn’t think that way before returning to the theme of minorities being less qualified. Actions speak louder than words.
He spoke of minorities “stealing” white jobs due to DEI, which also assumes that it was the white guy’s job and it was somehow taken from them, not that in a pool of equally qualified people, the employer chose the competent minority over the competent white guy. And why just talk about guys? Well …
Misogyny: He said that women should submit to their husband. Not due to competence or intelligence or career advancement or anything else tangible and measurable. Just because the husband is the man.
And to make his misogyny crystal clear, here are quotes about Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce (who seems like a nice enough guy, but is more accomplished than Taylor Swift in only one area, being a football player):
“Submit to your husband, Taylor. You’re not in charge. And most importantly, I can’t wait to go to a Taylor Kelce concert.” Because a billion-dollar name should be scrapped because the woman who created it married a man?
“You gotta change your name. If not, you don’t really mean it.”. So women who want to keep their names are faking their love and devotion to their husbands?
He called Swift (a self-made multi-millionaire) “not a good role model for young women” because she focused on her career and not settling down and having children. This is all clear misogyny.
Homophobia: He was opposed to gay marriage. Which is pure “you gays are less than straight people” bigotry. But he went further. On a show with Ms. Rachel, he said, “ In a lesser referenced part of the same part of scripture, which is in Leviticus 18, is that ‘thou shall (sic) lay with another man shall be stoned to death… If you start quoting Leviticus 19, the chapter before affirms God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters”.
It should be noted that Leviticus 18 says no such thing, although Leviticus 20 says, “If a man lies with a man as with a woman, they have both committed an abomination. They must surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.”. So he wasn’t far off, but it should be noted that a devout Christian was talking about Bible verses that call for death to gay people, and he also called it “God’s perfect law”.
A lot of hard right conservatives have tried to pretend this didn’t mean anything, but no one accidentally references stoning gay people to death and calls it “God’s perfect law” without meaning something by it. Especially when you are an ardent Christian Nationalist.
Religious bigotry: “What's happening in New York City is an insurgency against the West … are you comfortable with both London and New York having Muslim mayors? I'm sorry. I think we should have a little bit of caution with that”.
There was a time when Charlie Kirk was good. He started Turning Point USA in 2012 to promote capitalism and free trade. In 2018 he argued that politics should be advanced through a secular worldview and there should be a separation of church and state. He said the imposition of a Christian version of morality through government policy, was wrong.
Then he became an adherent of the Seven Mountain Mandate, a Christian nationalist worldview directly at odds with the Constitution. The SMM calls for believers to take control of seven areas of society: family, religion, education, media, arts and entertainment, business, and government.
So yes, he was a terrible person. He believed terrible things. He advocated and pushed for terrible policies. No one can truly know another person’s heart, but he clearly believed gays, women, trans people, minorities, and non-Christians were lesser beings.
Was he intelligent and charismatic? Yes. Does he deserve praise for publicly debating those who disagreed with him (ignoring for the moment his habit of interrupting and talking over them, especially women)? Yes.
Does any of that make him a good person or prove he wasn’t various different types of bigot? Absolutely not.
The Charlie Kirk Memorial CAN'T spell the end of Trump and MAGA, there isn't even an 'N' or a 'D' for 'end', let alone two of each for 'end' and 'and'.
Exactly.
OK, that was pretty funny.
We are not dealing with the mid-1990's incarnation of the Democratic Party.
They guy that said Biden shoudl be put to death? Cry me a river snowflake.
You are as bad at this as you are at life.
They're not sending their best.
I'm not certain about that.
“ mischaracterizations of Kirk”
No one has mischaracterized Kirk. By his own words he displayed his bigoted, misogynistic, theocratic worldview. The fact that people find such beliefs disturbing at beat and disgusting at worst is what the cultural conservative movement hates.
As long at Trump and his inner circle keep talking, they will continue to alienate those who aren’t married to forcing cultural values on the rest of us. And I defy anyone to get Trump to even consider shutting up.
People keep spreading this but can never back it up with actual evidence.
I did, above. If you want more details, I have more.
Silence? Not surprising, given some people’s preferred way to view Kirk and the reality of Kirk.
Post your evidence.
Post your evidence, Nelson.
Nelson, post your evidence that Charlie Kirk was a bad person.
Welcome to MSNOW.
You mean PMS NOW.
When the fuck did I click on Mother Jones magazine!?!
Around 2015.
I think Gillespie makes some good points.
I support DJT, and I often wish he would cool it with the buffoonery. He had a chance to turn the political bullshit down for once at Kirk’s funeral, out of respect for the man’s widow and his family. Maybe the political calculus of preaching to his base outweighs a simple act of reserve at a fucking funeral. But WTF do I know? DJT didn’t win two elections against impossible odds by listening to people like me. But he’s removed all doubt of him being a “unifier”, and maybe the GOP needs that in spite of the obsequiousness of the party’s leaders Team Blue.
The real class act was Kirk’s widow, from what I hear. I’ll watch the funeral eventually, specifically to listen to her.
“…obsequiousness of the party’s leaders to Team Blue”
Right on! It appears he thinks even the normies were part of his rallies. How long will his crass milking of the Kirk assassination go on? It has become puke-worthy.
How long will your worn-out lefty whining continue, loser. Fuck off and die, asswipe.
That steamy, slimey, TDS-addled pile of lefty shit!!!
By that steamy, slimey, TDS-addled pile of lefty shit!!!
Sevo may be repetitive, but he’s not wrong.
Steamy, slimy, TDS-addled piles of lefty shit expect otherwise? Why?
I prefer to be creative. It’s more annoying and hurtful to them.
Democrats milked Floyd for months.
And Floyd was a thoroughly terrible person.
Charlie's replacement won't be NICER than he was.
Well Charlie was a fundamentalist asshole, so whoever replaces him will have to work hard to be more bigoted and hateful.
You described what you see in the mirror. Ashamed you attempt to project it onto others... Even dead people who can't defend themselves.
Who do you project as your replacement?
Really? How, exactly, am I a fundamentalist asshole?
And please make sure you’re accusing me of things I actually said or believe, not some empty strawman.
You’re a shitweasel and scum compared to a man like Charlie Kirk.
Your side burned down a city for somebody who's only benefit to the world will be fertilizing the ground.
Now wax poetic about the poor drug addicted thug who held up pregnant women at gunpoint and died due to him swallowing a mass of drugs please.
The beliefs you espouse here are:
Praying for you? Dude who does that is an asshole.
Holding up pregnant women at gunpoint? Dude is a aaint.
“ Your side burned down a city”
“My side” did no such thing. And I would (and have, repeatedly) condemn violence in general and political violence in particular.
“ Now wax poetic about the poor drug addicted thug who held up pregnant women at gunpoint and died due to him swallowing a mass of drugs please.”
I have absolutely no idea what you’re referencing here. I’m sure in your mind it’s coherent, but not in the real world.
“ Praying for you? Dude who does that is an asshole.”
Yes, people who pray for other people can also be assholes. Especially performative assholes who pray for people who neither want bor need it, but that’s kinda the Christian Nationalist schtick.
Praying for people doesn’t move the needle on the good/bad scale, and Charlie Kirk pushed enough awful things that he had a long way to go to get back to the good man he was before the Seven Mountain Mandate messed up his brain.
“ Holding up pregnant women at gunpoint? Dude is a aaint.”
No, that whoever that person is, he isn’t a saint at all. And I defy you to find anyone, anywhere, who said that such behavior is a good thing. You can’t.
Nelson, continuing the justify a political assassination.
"I oppose violence...but he WAS a jerk!"...so he kinda had it coming.
Careful, that kind of thinking will get you 200 posts from Jesse about how you're actually a Sarc sock. Cuz nothing says libertarian like forced compliance.
FWIW, most of Trump's comments came across much better in audio / visual than in print, because it's clear he was joking and taking a semi-jab at himself. The Apprentice "big autism reveal tomorrow" stuff was disgusting, but that's who the guy is.
Gillespie mostly makes me sad. He's far too old to still think he's edgie, but boy is he still trying. I'm sure in his mind he's riding in a motorcycle sidecar across South America with Che, reporting on The Man for Rolling Stone.
Lol. That's exactly what he's thinking. I like Nick generally; don't always agree with him but think he makes good points here, and I appreciate his stabs at humor at least, compared to some Reason writers and their rather staid, humorless styles.
True. I think he is a good choice to host a podcast, where I don't feel like he constantly puts his thumb on the scale and he gives his guests pretty free reign. More often than not, he interjects to make a joke, which I have no problem with. But none of his written work leads me to believe he has much to offer in the arena of deep thinkers. Not because I disagree with him, but because he rarely makes a compelling case (for me).
Awww. Don't be sad you cant admit to being wrong about something lol.
What pathetic victimization. Sarc level 2.
You never once even bothered to prove your two false assertions. I was nice. But if you want to go the sarc route I'm fine with that too.
You emoted and ranted about shit that was wrong and quickly proven to you. You doubled down. Now youre crying like a victim.
Sarc level 2 achieved. Cry harder lol.
Now. Prove yourself intelligent and again try to make your two false statements from the roundup true. I'll wait.
I personally didn't like President Trump's speech, but I accepted him just being President Trump -- however, while he was political, he went back and forth between politics and Charlie -- at least, for the half hour I watched -- but it made sense to me, because Charlie was a political figure who had worked with President Trump.
My one disappointment in the speech is the order it was given in. I can't help but think the memorial would have been better off, and would have ended on a more optimistic note, had Erika Kirk been the last speaker.
Kirks widow is going with the continue growing argument. Not sure why shed want trump to lie about the words and actions of the left.
LOL. The political bullshit buffoonery is the authentic Trump.
There is nothing else.
"LOL"
Perhaps one day, they'll let you into the first grade.
"The political bullshit buffoonery is the authentic Trump. There is nothing else."
The sliminess of the TDS-addled shit is authentic TDS-addled shit pile. There is nothing else.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
But to the extent that the broader MAGA movement doubles or triples down on its policies and rhetoric on display, it will only become even less popular.
Trump won the Electoral College, the popular vote, and all the swing States. The Democratic Party's poll numbers have cratered. What is becoming "less popular"?
But enough about 2020 election...
This is what wishcasting looks like.
I know this is beyond the comprehension of the average Trump defender, but it is entirely possible that Trump's popularity is falling while the Democratic Party's popularity is falling even faster.
The reason why this is beyond the comprehension of the average Trump defender is that they equate criticism of Trump with praise for Democrats. So for them if Trump's popularity falls, popularity for Democrats must necessarily rise. Because they see politics as a teeter-totter. Someone who leaves on side jumps onto the other. They simply cannot comprehend people getting off and saying fuck you to both Trump and the Democrats. Does not compute.
I know this is beyond the comprehension of the average Trump defender, but it is entirely possible that Trump's popularity is falling while the Democratic Party's popularity is falling even faster.
I know it's beyond the comprehension of the average Leftist, but Trump's average poll number is where it was when he won the election.
48% of voters and 32% of eligible voters?
Why that's a bullet-proof majority! A mandate! No one can argue with that level of popularity! It gives him the power to do whatever he wants!
So all eligible voters who did not vote count as anti-Trump? Who said he can do whatever he wants?
You keep beating those strawmen. Try actually responding to what I said.
Lol You attack strawman arguments I didn't make and then accuse me of beating strawmen? You funny.
The drunkard thinks that people who don't vote count.
By definition, we are a participatory democracy. Whoever doesn't vote has no voice.
Several of the ReReason staff claim that they don’t vote, and they technically have a voice though few read their liberal blathering. Why a billionaire “Daddy Warbucks” has to subsidize their efforts.
And they hilariously demand we pay to talk here. But they refuse to cash said threat.
Cowards.
I certainly won't pay money to argue with idiots. If they make people pay, the comments will be reduced to even more of a MAGA echo chamber than it already is.
Agree on this. People shouldn’t be paying to argue with you.
Are you sure that the many nonlibertarian commenters would pay to comment on _Reason_ articles? If _Reason_ starts charging to participate, I look forward to thanking them for showing that they agree with _Reason_'s agenda, now matter what they write, because they are voluntarily giving money to _Reason_.
Bot malfunction.
I see non-votes as votes for 'none of the above'. At least that's why I don't vote.
Some maybe doing that, but others simply are apolitical.
I guess we'll never know until some 'none of the above' appeals to people who are sick of the duopoly.
“ So all eligible voters who did not vote count as anti-Trump?”
No, but to claim they support him is also a lie.
I really don't see how it can be a problem for the Republicans, even if they are losing popularity, if Democrats are losing popularity even faster.
President Trump's ratings are holding steady. It looks like the Republican Party is actually going to work for midterm votes for once -- going so far as to potentially hold a midterm Republican Convention. (Would it work? I don't know, but I'm impressed they are considering it.) In every issue voters consider important, Republicans are in the lead by a fair margin, and in some cases they are especially high.
Meanwhile, what are Democrats doing? Screaming "Fascist!", supporting high crime in cities, trying to prevent illegal immigrants with criminal records from being deported, and celebrating people being murdered for free speech. What policies are they offering? What's worse, what policies (like "Defund the Police") are they failing to hide their support for?
However you slice and dice it, it's really hard to see how Democrats are going to pull together and come to their senses -- particularly before the upcoming Midterms.
And, in the meantime, the People can decide for themselves which Party they like better -- the somewhat sensible one that is kindof wrong on some issues although it's possible to see where they are coming from, or the crazy one that says we need to kill all the Charlies and that everyone they don't like is a Fascist?
I strongly suspect that the Party that responds to extreme injustice with candle light vigils is going to do better than the one that riots and burns down cities at the drop of a hat.
“ In every issue voters consider important, Republicans are in the lead by a fair margin, and in some cases they are especially high.”
Trump is underwater on immigration, trade, inflation and the economy. And it’s trending downward since he took office.
But perhaps you think those issues aren’t ones that voters think are important.
https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin
I think Trump voters are single issue voters.
The simple view is that the single issue is Trump.
But more likely is that while he's underwater on every issue individually, the ones who support him for each issue don't care about the other issues where he disagrees.
So, to some extent he's getting the union of the supporters on each issue, as opposed to merely the overlap of supporters.
Huge difference.
He has net negative approval ratings on trade (-17.3%), immigration (-5.3%), inflation (-30%), and the economy (-15.6%). That means that more people think he is doing a bad job on those things than think he is doing a good job.
And he’s always relied on a small, but fanatical, base. He was the only President in history that never got above 50% approval in his first term and that is probably still true. There were something like 8% fewer votes cast in 2024 than 2020. Guaranteed none of those who stayed home were MAGA.
Is it possible that, with such high net negatives on four important issues, he can get the one-issue voters to ignore the others? Maybe, but I don’t see it as likely. He’ll need to change his policies in those four areas to change his job approval.
I don’t see him changing course on any of them. Do you?
Republicans Mop the Floor With Democrats on the Economy and Immigration in Stunning New Poll
https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/republicans-mop-the-floor-with-democrats-on-the-economy-and-immigration-in-stunning-new-poll/?cfp
I think you're an imbecilic pile of TDS-addled shit. Fuck off and die.
Trump is underwater on immigration, trade, inflation and the economy. And it’s trending downward since he took office.
He's not.
These are just lies leftists tell themselves. It makes them feel good.
And yet, he is.
https://www.natesilver.net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin
I know that having facts disagree with your feelings makes you sad, but denying reality isn’t a healthy way to live.
that says we need to kill all the Charlies and
I believe the phrase is "we need to kill Charlie". At least thats what we said in 'Nam'
“ Trump's average poll number is where it was when he won the election”
No, it isn’t. RealClearPolitics leans right and even they admit his numbers are all down.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_trump_2nd_term_job_approval-8656.html
He has net negative approval ratings on trade, immigration, inflation, and the economy.
https://www.natesilver. net/p/trump-approval-ratings-nate-silver-bulletin
As simple logic and basic math will tell you, these are all negative trends. Sorry to yuck your yum.
Bingo.
Yeah, by 1.5% against the most inept incomprehensible candidate I have ever heard of. I don't think even the Libertarian Party has ever fielded such a derided candidate.
2028 is going to be really interesting, since every Democratic potential candidate mentioned so far makes gibbering Kamala look well-spoken. She couldn't even figure out how to explain Walz without contradicting herself.
Yep. Trump can only win elections against unpopular women.
Jeb! agrees
I was absolutely shocked that the exclamation mark didn’t guarantee the nomination for him.
"Yeah, by 1.5% against the most inept incomprehensible candidate I have ever heard of. I don't think even the Libertarian Party has ever fielded such a derided candidate."
The LP's last two nominees were markedly worse than Joe Biden.
That is Biden TODAY.
Whine more, TDS-addled loser. You deserve it.
An assassination is a great fundraiser.
See: Black Lives Matter.
Overdoses can be lucrative as well.
there's a Bobby Brown joke in here I'm not making.
this morning I commented on how it's not really the time to critique the memorial service so I suppose under the same terms it would be wrong to critique the critique of the memorial service ... I'll go with not my cup of tea
I'd be terrified to listen to Nick "promethean transformation" Gillespie sing in the shower, as tone deaf as he is.
Is this where Reason decides to agree to disagree and go with the Final Solution vote?
Trump is nothing if not vindictive to opponents big and small, real and imagined
It's weird people make such a big deal about this. Left wingers discriminate against everyone who disagrees with them in education, employment, and everyday life doing anything they can to cause them harm. Shunning family and friends for political reasons is a permanent theme in left-media. This is far more damaging because they target regular people rather than politicians or activists who should understand opposition is a part of their chosen profession.
Shorter Marshal: Democrats did it first and you didn't complain you hypocrite!
Even shorter Marshal: Tu quoque! Tu quoque! Tu quoque!
What's interesting about sarc is how his reactions demonstrate his total lack of introspection, thought, or analysis. As an outsider of the parties I consider the advantages or failures of each party in context to create a complete picture. This is an anathema to propagandists like sarc whose tactics are demonization and scapegoating. The last thing leftists want are effective analyses understanding both the left and right.
For example (as I noted) the people Trump goes after are engaging in politics and thus opposition from their targets is an expected reaction. People who claim to believe otherwise, like Nick, are either hopelessly naive or think you are. It may be regrettable in a theoretical sense but it's unavoidable and luckily small scale. But importantly this is happening everywhere even if most people lie about it.
Compare that to the mass discrimination and retaliation campaign the left has thoroughly implemented throughout every institution it controls (for example academia, media, Hollywood). Even liberals are suppressed in these institutions where open admission of libertarian or conservative opinions will get you blackballed. Sarc and the other propagandists don't care about this though which is why their anti-Trump comments are so revealing. One of these is a massive problem leading to widespread corruption and discrimination against tens of millions of people. Sarc and the other left wingers say nothing about this because they don't oppose it. But we're supposed to care that Trump hopes Elizabeth Warren fails at everything she does. Just to understand the absurdity do we believe there's any left winger anywhere in the world that doesn't hope Trump fails at everything he does?
But somehow this standard they clearly all fail is supposed to be meaningful when applied to Trump. Ridiculous.
Even an AI could be more creative.
I agree. Even AI could make a better argument.
Heh, you're admitting you're not as good as an AI in putting together arguments!
Is that a specific AI, though, or would any old AI (such as Eliza) do just fine? I suspect the latter.
Is the goal to be creative or is the goal to work through the issues and reach the best conclusion?
Bud, I was talking about sarc.
"Even an AI could be more creative."
Thank you for the demonstration.
You demonstrate it every comment.
Hey, TDS-addled slimy piles of shit like you are great instructors!
Fuck off and die, asswipe. Make the world a better place.
Marshal either ignores or denies the many times that I decried the Biden administration's prosecution of Trump as a bad precedent that following administrations would no doubt repeat because he can only win arguments against strawmen.
What Biden administration prosecution?
There were two in NYS you totally support.
Claiming Trump is a felon, like you like to do is supporting the prosecutions.
What I noted is true: that sarc mischaracterizes removing those who weaponized government for political reasons as weaponizing government. He does this to protect those who weaponized the government on behalf of Democrats with the hope and expectation they will be in position to do so again.
Weaponizing government is not limited to prosecutions so whether sarc did or did not oppose them isn't germane. It's another misdirection play.
Do fuck off.
Weaponizing government is weaponizing government. I complained when Biden did it and I'm complaining when Trump does it.
Difference is that you approve of what Trump is doing because Democrats did it first.
You have no principles.
Just principals.
Difference is that you approve of what Trump is doing because Democrats did it first.
Dems have never gotten rid of anyone who weaponized government on their behalf, so you're lying when you say Dems did it first. But that's every comment, propagandists have no use for truth or reality. they believe their words create reality.
Aren't those goalposts heavy? You must work out.
I do ok, although I must admit I don't get in as many reps as you get with your 12 ounce curls.
You misspelled 40.
The Durham prosecutions set the precedent.
'the people Trump goes after are engaging in politics"
You mean "no-talent, low rating" Jimmy Kimmel? The "failing" New York Times? Performers, media outlets, academics, apolitical career bureaucrats and lawyers, law firms, even judges? "Engaging in politics?" Maybe by Trump's definition, but not by the definitions of their professions. Exactly who, when doing or saying something Trump doesn't like, is NOT "engaging in politics?" Commenters in forums like this one? Andy Borowitz?
You think engaging in politics is defined by a profession rather than actions, and that journalism or media and academia is not included? Are you referring to apolitical career bureaucrats like Peter Strzok and Kevin Clinesmith?
Elizabeth Warren created a propaganda study to help pass Obamacare and the CFPB and she did it so well she leveraged it into a Senate seat. Are you claiming you believe this was not political?
When supporting the narrative requires these sorts of beliefs it should be an indicator the narrative is wrong.
So you Kimmel is not a politician? Newspapers? Universities? Law firms? Good. Well, Trump goes after them, therefore Trump goes after those who are NOT engaging in politics. My point conceded, thanks.
Nothing in the Hatch Act says you can't express a political view in a private email with your girlfriend (Strzok). A private email is not a political campaign or endorsement. Holding a political opinion is not a political act, by which is meant a public act by a private actor, or any act by a political actor (candidate or campaign supporter). Trump fired Strzok for personal disloyalty because Trump, ever the dictator, thinks an oath to the Constitution is an oath to support the dictator personally.
Clinesmith neglected to reveal that Page was a source for a warrant application. For that he was disciplined and has now been restored. The most you can say is Clinesmith was not a Trump fan. Not being a Trump fan doesn't make you a political actor when doing your job, even if you botch it.
Elizabeth Warren fought for two hugely important programs and succeeded. Call it propaganda, it was true. I know people whose lives were saved by Obamacare. I myself escaped a fraudulent contract of adhesion thanks to CFPB. Whether she worked these policies for personal political gain, or made personal political gain as a result, doesn't matter which. Engaging in POLICY is not engaging in POLITICS in the partisan or electoral sense, and your claim remains false.
Of course Kimmel is engaging in politics when he's in public criticizing a politician. Again we're back to you needing things that are obviously true to be false for your conclusion to hold.
Not being a Trump fan doesn't make you a political actor when doing your job, even if you botch it.
Nothing in the Hatch Act says you can't express a political view
Notice how he switches the standard from "apolitical career bureaucrat" to "the Hatch Act" and "not a Trump fan". Leftists decide whether you are innocent or guilty first and only then set the standard to "support" that conclusion.
Elizabeth Warren fought for two hugely important programs and succeeded. Call it propaganda, it was true.
Her propaganda study claimed half of all personal bankruptcies in America were due to unpaid medical bills. This is so obviously false that the experts who study bankruptcy ignore her study and data, the real number is less than 2%. So the only sense "it was true" is in the sense it helped get legislation passed. Normal people don't think this demonstrates something is "true" but it's the only thing left wingers care about. Warren showed us academia is corrupt and will produce a "study" concluding anything their far left allies believe will help them politically.
God, we should never have taught you cavemen to write. A "standard" is one thing, in this sense an abstract noun. An "apolitical career bureaucrat" is another completely different thing, a concrete noun. The Hatch Act is a very specific concrete noun which applies to "apolitical career bureaucrats." The "standard" is the specification of the Hatch Act, which does not cover private communications. There is only ONE standard, and that is the one specified by Hatch, which neither Strzock nor Clinesmith violated. Which means your claim is categorically false, since Hatch governs partisan political activity on the job, which nobody, not you, not Trump, not anyone, claims was done by either of your suspects. It's just like the evangelicals who learned the vocabulary of philosophical criticism and adopted it to make every term mean its opposite. And we just recently taught Trump what "unserious" means, so now he deploys it indiscriminately and cluelessly, just as all sociopaths do.
This one definitely makes me lean towards dishonest, although I wonder if anyone but a retard would actually find it compelling enough to hit the submit button.
Lying Jeffy would, but he's an actual psychopath.
It's not surprising you don't understand your own arguments, most left wingers fly by the seat of their pants so you're not alone.
A motte and bailey argument (or fallacy) is a rhetorical tactic where someone makes a strong, controversial claim (the "bailey") and then, when challenged, retreats to a weaker, more reasonable, and harder-to-attack claim (the "motte").
So that these people are "apolitical career bureaucrats" is the bailey, and "didn't violate the Hatch Act" is the motte.
If you need any more lessons in logic I'm going to have to charge so I suggest you study on your own before you come back.
When you have no clue, do a 5-minute internet search on logical fallacies and accuse the logician of committing them. Actually I have seen the very same "motte and bailey" snippet deployed here before by some idiot who hadn't a clue what it actually means. Yourself, I imagine. You're not even smart enough to commit ignoratio elinchii, which is the basis of all apologetics. But we're at the 400 level classes now and must part company.
When you have no clue, do a one-minute search for "fucking lefty ignoramuses": Hickamore
"So you Kimmel is not a politician? Newspapers? Universities? Law firms? Good. Well, Trump goes after them, therefore Trump goes after those who are NOT engaging in politics. My point conceded, thanks."
Oh, you are retarded.
Sorry, "you are retarded" is not responsive. Not an argument. Just a visceral growl from another knuckle-dragger.
It wasn't an argument. It was an observation that clears up my question below.
“Elizabeth Warren fought for two hugely important programs”
Hahahahahahahaha
If you don't think Jimmy Kimmel is part of the left wing political machine, you're a fucking retard.
But you're a leftist, so you're probably just lying.
The left wing political machine! It runs on steam! Or maybe diesel. Or maybe alternating current. Or maybe it's a figment of paranoid imagination. Well, I suspect that Kimmel is among those people who think and enjoy doing so, and you're not, so you might as well imagine that all the thinking people constitute a diabolical machine programmed to subvert truth, justice, and the American way. "They're out to get us!" Well, you're right about that one. When people think, and are smart enough to do humor as well, it's no surprise that it's the illiterate incoherent narcissistic schoolyard bully buffoons like Trump who become prime targets.
Is this actually the first time you've ever heard of the "machine" in reference to politics?
You're not really clearing up my question, because I find it hard to believe you haven't, but if you're retarded maybe not.
I will continue my assessment, I find it fascinating.
Mayor Richard Daley in Chicago had a political machine. Mayor Tom Pendergast in Kansas City had a political machine. "Machine" designates a specific body of persons acting collectively, in the manner of an organized crime gang. You can't apply that label to an abstraction such as "left wing." "Left wing" means only anyone, anywhere, saying or doing something you consider politically "leftish." Nobody collaboration, no organization, no common purpose, not even personal acquaintances in common. No one in charge. No capo, no Tammany, no "family." Not even "conscious parallelism." See why the usage is so stupid? A machine is a coherent thing. You are using the word in reference to a purely mental association of disparate, independent fragments having no awareness of one another.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QgpfNScEd3M&pp=ygUYSmltbXkga2ltbWVsIGNvdmlkIGRhbmNl
Maybe I’ve been on the wrong path this whole time and you really are a psychopath like Lying Jeffy.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d2F8tHG7H94&pp=ygUYSmltbXkga2ltbWVsIGNvdmlkIGRhbmNl
How odd:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-6m7MW1GM8Q&pp=ygUYSmltbXkga2ltbWVsIGNvdmlkIGRhbmNl
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DV8REy2AgC0&pp=ygUWamltbXkga2ltbWVsIG9iYW1hY2FyZQ%3D%3D
One more just for fun, you lying psychopath:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=baR4logaaOQ&pp=ygUgamltbXkga2ltbWVsIGltbWlncmF0aW9uIG1vbnRhZ2U%3D
When you have no clue, do a one-minute search for "fucking lefty ignoramuses": Hickamore.
it actually runs on BS and Gaslight
Gillespie is worse than Trump. Pot and kettle. Zero self-awareness.
Trump is vindictive to opponents, no doubt. He says mean things about them.
Leftists cheer on actual murders of people they don't like.
^+1
And those who attempt Trump's assassination.
"That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them."
To be fair he ran on a platform of retribution. So he'd be pretty stupid to preach forgiveness when his entire agenda is revenge.
"Tariffs are making us rich again," he said. "Richer than anybody ever thought was possible. And the only one challenging them are people that hate our country or foreign countries that are paying a price….Charlie understood that."
Wow. Too much stupid to even try to unpack.
"The answer to hate is not hate", she said on Sunday. "Love for our enemies and love for those who persecute us."
That's right. Love Trump. Love him like he's your big brother.
>>platform of retribution.
no.
https://www.c-span.org/clip/campaign-2024/former-pres-trump-i-am-your-justicei-am-your-retribution/5060238
apples & tomatoes but okay he said the word out loud.
That's the dumbest excuse I've seen yet. Trump clearly said "I am your retribution!"
His entire administration is based upon is hurting those who wronged him.
Or is his entire administration based upon hurting those who wronged us?
No. There is no "us". Hate to break it to you but he doesn't give a shit about you. Insult his attention span or his hand size, he'll turn on you instantly.
Sarc will turn on DLAM?!?! Oh no! What will he do? Post “The Dems did it first” or “Tu quoque” in response? Something more drastic like moving his cardboard box house to near when DLAM lives or sending his kid to key DLAM’s car?
"...There is no "us"..."
Correct. There is the slimy pile of shit which you are and the rest of the world.
Fuck off and die, Dumber Than a Bag of Rocks.
“Your” would imply he’s the voters retribution (at least the Republican and Independent ones who voted/support him).
That's so weak. Come one. You can argue better than that.
Pointing out that he ran on a platform of retribution for others (as exhibited by your cite and quote) and not necessarily one of personal revenge (“who wronged him”) isn’t really an argument so much as a partial agreement and partial pedantry.
how retribution was defined in this context
To be fair he ran on a platform of retribution.
Shorter sarc:
Not allowing those who previously weaponized government to remain in government so they can do it again is weaponizing government.
DEMOCRATS DID IT FIRST! THAT MAKES IT OK!
The amusing element of sarc's campaign is that this is an admission he applies different standards to Dems and Reps. But he thinks he's presenting it such that it shows only other people base their principles solely based on which team is accused when in reality it affirms that all his assertions are based on whether the criticized person is Team Red or Team Blue.
But in reality what makes this "ok" is that it isn't a big deal. We all know people competing with each other hope the other fails. Not only is this not new information even if it was it's still a complete nothing. You won't find anyone criticizing Dems for this, but not because they don't do it. Instead it's because no one thinks it is worthy of criticism. For example the left now hates and Musk and is trying to make his business fail. No one on the left thinks this is worthy of criticism even though it is outside the political arena and would negatively impact tens of thousands of other people.
But the operative process for propagandists like sarc is to assert the standard at whatever Trump fails rather than to advance a consistent standard based on principles and apply it to everyone. Of course when you do this there are bound to be other people who fail, in fact this is how we test whether the standard is appropriate. This is why the term "whataboutism" was invented, to delegitimize evaluating whether the standards applied are appropriate.
If I taught a course on fallacies I'd save this as an example of someone making a strawman argument who is dumber than a bale of hay.
It's no surprise to anyone who reads your comments you'd be a failure teaching courses as well. Teaching is more than "hey I heard this insult and I hate this person, so he must be guilty of it".
You're oddly, borderline obsessive with trying to undermine and show-up Sarc in every conceivable way and in every comment - tell you what, since you claim to be independent, care to expend all this energy and oxygen tearing down the false narratives, insults, lies, and general batshit-craziness of the MAGA cohort that spray their toxic semen in these here comments on a daily basis?
If obsessive commenting bothered you then you would focus far more on sarc than me. So that's odd but it fits with your apparent belief I should focus my attention on what you dislike.
That's weirdly narcissistic.
Reflective of being Dumber Than a Bag of Rocks.
It's just sarc spazzing out with his sock because you made him look stupid.
OMG you're like a total fag! And stuff! You know?
If Democrats did it first and didn't get punished for it, then what they did is fine and dandy for Republicans to do it too.
Maybe, just maybe, if Democrats don't want Republicans to do certain things, they shouldn't be doing those things first, or at all.
And maybe, just maybe, Republicans can only take so much abuse before they finally say "screw our principles, the Democrats have none, let's take the gloves off and go full steam ahead!"
And when this happens, sarcasmic is screaming DEMOCRATS DID IT FIRST, THAT MAKES IT OK! DON'T YOU GUYS HAVE PRINCIPLES?!? as if anyone who's been abused all these years are going to care at this point.
Working on the J6 prosecution is "weaponizing government?" Investigating a referral from federal agencies re missing classified documents, then lying about having them, then lying about having turned them over? "Weaponizing government?" Letitia James, maybe, but she is an elected STATE NOT FEDERAL official (politician) who got Trump convicted on 31 counts, so you can't call that malicious prosecution. Trump on the other hand is ordering malicious prosecution of people against whom he has been told there is no evidence. Prosecute them anyway, says the raging orangutan who couldn't score 25th percentile on the LSAT.
It's kind of funny you picked your own examples for what is not weaponizing government and found them compelling.
Give yourself a pat on the back.
Because you failed to specify anything at all. I had to read your mind. Speak up if you have actual examples that fit your claim.
"...I had to read your mind..."
You listened to the demented voices in your head, shitbag.
Sending FBI agents to arrest anybody NEAR the Capitol (not even inside the building, mind you) for years and locking them in solitary for a year. Also odd that those agencies did not notice that Biden had secret documents, for decades --- that he had zero ability to have. The docs they took? Docs Trump declassified and Biden later reclassified (which is utterly pointless once a declassification happens).
Letitia James and Fani Willis both had multiple DoJ employees working on their prosecutions.
And we can easily call a conviction by a kangaroo court for no crime laughable. We do.
The Durham prosecutions were the most brazen political witchhunt in history.
No, they were not.
He was investigating the witch-hunters.
Except we saw the trials—they were a joke!
Dare you to name one person, not near the Capitol, locked in solitary for a year or a month or a week. Dare ya. Biden returned all documents with no complaint, in fact with an apology. All we got from Trump was defiance and the lie that FBI "came to kill me" when they executed the warrant specifically when Trump was AWAY FOR THE WEEK, knowing that he would otherwise claim they came to kill him. Underestimating Trump's cravenness, as it happened, since Trump made the charge anyhow. Now that's brazen brass balls. Some people admire that sort of thing.
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Dare you to name one person, not near the Capitol
You’re really bad at this.
“…in fact with an apology.” As long as they are sorry then totes ok, right jeff?
34 counts, 1 for each ledger entry, isn’t “malicious” to you? This after the fact that it was such a non campaign finance violation that the feds never pursued it?
Really?
Donnie furious as statue of him holding hands with Jeffy is unveiled in DC:
https://www.themirror.com/news/politics/trump-reacts-furiously-giant-statue-1406896
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Go back to mopping splooge up in the Tenderloin, Sevo.
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
You like veal tenderloins, don’t you Shrike? Like in your dark web videos.
You were banned for posting links to child porn.
Oh lord, not this again.
If convicting the guy and nearly killing him didn't spell the end, I doubt a mass memorial that saw about 100 million people total view the event is going to do it. Most of the complaints about it seem to center on the fact that Trump didn't make some bullshit appeal for unity that no one on either side was going to believe, anyway.
There's an absolute bottomless well of cope regarding "the end of MAGA," probably because every nascent populist movement in the GOP has been strangled in its crib by the party since Theodore Roosevelt left office. The cuckservative right in particular has been making the same fucking boilerplate laments about him for a decade now, instead of doing something like, oh, actually taking the GOP voter base seriously for the first time in 100 years instead of pontificating about how they should just be put back in charge because "character matters" and other bullshit glittering generalities that have been thoroughly debunked in the last 30-plus years, or appealing to principles that they don't have the balls to actually defend when the Democrats tell them "boo."
I can at least understand it from a libertarian perspective, but this is still a niche movement that has very little influence in the larger political environment outside of the occasional spoiler vote. So no, this isn't something that's going to spell the end of MAGA, and Trump's out of office in January 2029 anyway.
You’re right. MAGA won’t die this year. But by 2028 it will wither away just like the GOP love for Dubya did in 2007/08.
Dubya is a pariah now.
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy
About time you tried therapy.
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy
Never not funny
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Therapy is a waste for you. This is what you need……
https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/health-services-benefits/medical-assistance-dying.html
turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Dubya was the tail end of the neocon era, which began in the mid-80s. That was ending regardless because they didn't want to acknowledge the reality that their voters were quickly becoming more populist instead of being go-along-to-get-along types. Nominating Romney and then watching him roll over for Obama and Crowley in the second debate was the final nail in the coffin.
Benghazi wasn’t a terrorist attack…but Manda Bay and Manbij both which happened under Trump were terrorist attacks…so I assume you didn’t vote for Trump??
SBF, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. he's is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
SBF lies; it’s what he does. SBF is a lying pile of lefty shit.
This isn’t a lie—if Trump wants me to transition into a woman so that he can hump me I will! I would do anything for that man…including becoming a woman!!
Jesus, you're even worse at the AC imitations than Hank.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Jr. is a pariah because the Republican base grew tired of milquetoast Republicans who rolled over and showed their belly every time a Democrat looked at them sideways. Then they had the audacity to throw their neocon nutsacks around and endorsed Biden and Harris because they care more about forever war than anything else.
You get to own those clowns now, demshill.
The funny part is that MAGA is full of conservatives and right-leaning libertarians who tolerate many of Trump's excesses and are ok with him being moderate since even that moves things right. The successor of MAGA will be less tolerant and more conservative/right.
Wait, in your world Trump is a moderate? Holy shit, you are completely out of touch with reality.
Now you have proved your delusions rule you. Sad but true. Seek help.
Your argument is that Trump is a moderate? Please, explain his moderate positions. I’m listening.
No. You explain how they are extreme.
But to the extent that the broader MAGA movement doubles or triples down on its policies and rhetoric on display, it will only become even less popular.
MAGA:
2015: MAGA!
2020: *MAGA doubles down*
2024: *MAGA triples down*
ANTI-MAGA:
2015: LOL MAGA!
2020: LOL MAGA!
2024: LOL MAGA!
Why the Charlie Kirk Memorial Might Spell the End of Trump and MAGA
Yeah right.
"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters". -DJT
Then there was Miller, who in an August appearance on Sean Hannity's Fox News program said, "The Democrat [sic] Party does not fight for, care about, or represent American citizens. It is an entity devoted exclusively to the defense of hardened criminals, gang-bangers, and illegal, alien killers and terrorists. The Democrat Party is not a political party. It is a domestic extremist organization."
Extremely accurate and fair characterization of the democrat party. He only forgot to include homeless miscreants which they treat like hindu sacred cows in every city in america now.
When Trump declares his political opposition to be terrorists and outlaws dissent, you will jump for joy.
Does antifa commit acts of terror? Yes or no?
What outlawed dissent?
Reminder on what you've supported:
Trump off Twitter
Covid censorship
Covid camps in Australia
1.5B against Alex Jones
Legal attacks against Trump, his lawyers, state actors, and alternate electors
Death and jailing of J6ers
Going after Gen Flynn
Trump felony charges
I'm sure I'm missing a few dozen.
Sarcles will play the “no takebacks” card thinking schoolyard antics are some law of the land.
Sarc, Google just admitted that they censored people on YouTube at the behest of the Biden administration. Try to keep up.
Yes they did! And it was a terrible violation of the 1A!
Which makes whatever Trump does ok!
When sarc says he criticizes Dems this is what he means. He'll do it when he thinks doing so makes his attacks on the right more effective.
Your broken, get help.
What did Trump censor?
Poor sarcbot.
He was extremely charitable, he didn’t even mention the industrial scale graft and looting of the public coffers to enrich themselves
Is this one of the times we're supposed to believe he means exactly what he says or is this one of those times when we're supposed to ignore what he says because of course he was kidding and/or just playing to the base.
Yes. Whichever is convenient in the moment.
what did he say? i havent found a single objectionable quote from Trump in this article.
Of course you haven't. You've never found an objectionable quote from Trump.
Yet you couldn't post one.
Which quotes did you find most troublesome?
Man, I'm sorry I missed this total crashout by sarc this afternoon.
Not sure, but it is time for you to acknowledge you are a slimy pile of lying TDS-addled shit.
Fuck off and die, shitstain.
Based on the clip I saw last night, it was pretty obviously him working the crowd. It’s a 50/50 chance on anything he says though, so it’s best to just ignore until action is taken.
Not that it really matters, he could have smoking gun proof that Biden was the second shooter on the grassy knoll or that the highest levels of government colluded to try and destroy his first term, and people wouldn’t believe it and accuse him of weaponizing government and revenge.
Well, when a person weaponizes government (and brags about it) and seeks revenge on his enemies (and brags about it), what are people supposed to believe?
hahahaha
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
When you wishcast upon a jacket,
Makes no difference, we see thru your racket
Amazing
If we learned anything from the past few months, culminating in the political assassination of a man who just wanted to sit and talk about ideas with leftists... it is that the left in america must be destroyed. It is absolutely clear.
Wish casting again by deranged Nick Gillespie who once again is displaying that he lacks the ability to be rational. While I'm not onboard with Trump's agenda, didn't vote for Trump, I'm still appalled by the sheer stupidity and irrational apoplectic behavior of the left including Nick Gillespie.
Nick Gillespie is crying wolf at such a frequency that everyone becomes tone-deaf and couple it with the dearth of criticism when the white house has an occupant from a different party make me seriously doubt that Nick Gillespie a libertarian, but more likely a leftist mole who is attempting to damage the libertarian movement.
The libertarian movement is largely a mixture of liberal and conservative ideas, but Nick Gillespie is solely focused on the leftmost ideas and goes out of his way to impugn anything slightly conservative.
The current recoil from the far left is not going to stop anytime soon as Nick Gillespie wishes. It may however moderate. The younger generation is disgusted by both sides, but appear to be trending towards a more traditional approach. The reality is that the Democrat and Republican parties are comprised of illogical coalitions and surely don't represent younger generations.
My wish casting is that the Democrat and Republican parties fracture into multiple smaller parties, that the country has 20 or more political parties instead of the farce of the uni-party that the Democrat and Republican parties are factions of.
Nick Gillespie is just another leftist cog of the uni-party tasked with preventing the libertarian movement from growing. Far to motivated is supporting the establishment that working toward libertarian progress.
Whose sock are you?
Writes too well to be one of our MAGA-morons.
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/treating-pedophilia#aversion-therapy
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
The walls are closing in. but before they get fully closed, they have to go halfway, but before they can go halfway of that, they have to first go halfway of that, so theoretically the walls will never quite close completely. I'm pretty sure the walls will be closing in long after we're all dead.
Yet such a profound expression of grief and forgiveness was overwhelmed by the crassly political messaging voiced by speakers such as President Donald Trump, Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy Stephen Miller, and media hypeman Tucker Carlson.
Keerist in a spittoon, Nick! What about Kimmel? You think he and his crass brethren are doing better for their side?
How tone deaf are you? This is about the dumbest take on Charlie Kirk since Kimmel got suspended.
No, the dumbest take on Charlie Kirk is that he was a good person with egalitarian views, religious tolerance, and kindness in his heart.
Enjoying your pursuit of happiness? It seems, perhaps, not?
My life is very happy, thanks for asking.
I worked hard, embraced capitalism, sold my share in the business I built, and retired at 45. I Trump-proofed my portfolio, so I’m not worried about my income, and there is zero chance that I will ever have to pay the same taxes as someone who pulls the exact same income from wages because the investor class rules America and unearned income pays almost nothing in taxes.
Now if MAGA and Christian Nationalists could just implode a little faster, have the GOP lose the House or Senate (or both) and leave us with divided government, my happiness would be complete.
How about you?
So you are a socialist crooning about how capitalism benefitted you but don't want others to have the same success so you want to take every penny you can from their pockets as soon as possible?
If it wasn't for Trump and the GOP you would be singing a different tune about the amount of taxes you are paying on your nest egg.
“ So you are a socialist”
I am an ardent and vocal capitalist. I have never expressed anything different. I oppose socialism and command economies and planned economies and five year plans and every other element of socialism. It doesn’t work. It’s never worked. It never will work.
And if you paid the slightest bit of attention and didn’t constantly rail against the imaginary strawman in your head, you would avoid looking like an idiot by accusing me of being a socialist. Anyone who has been here for even a tiny bit of time knows exactly where I stand on the capitalist/socialist divide. So stop beclowning yourself.
“ If it wasn't for Trump and the GOP you would be singing a different tune about the amount of taxes you are paying on your nest egg.”
My nest egg was just fine before and after Trump. He’s done exactly nothing to help me, tax-wise, but has instituted policies that have made my money worth less through inflation and my purchases cost more through tariffs. I am much worse off under Trump’s fiscal regime than I have been under anyone except Biden, who deficit spent himself into ruinous inflation.
A crime to which Trump said, “Hold my beer” as he pushed the largest deficit spending bill in history, the OBBB. So no, I’m not singing a different tune. Trump has already made things worse and his ego will require him to double down on his idiotic trade and fiscal policies.
If you actually paid attention to your finances and the price of things (like the almost 15% increase in the price of coffee, my personal vice of choice and one of the products that is almost completely imported) since Trump took office you would be a little worried, too.
Especially as we get into the seasons where a sizable percentage of our fruits and vegetables will be imported. You think people are unhappy now, just wait until tomatoes go up 10-15%. Restaurants already struggle to stay in business, guess what happens when their ingredients skyrocket?
Of course this will not hurt MAGA a bit. The more crass and boarish Trump is the more they love him. These are not normal people.
Even normal people believe and do really stupid shit once they get involved in a cult.
You have first hand and ongoing experience with that.
Yeah. I have family who is in that cult.
Trump hasn't got the creativity to be as crass as all the TDS lefties kicking over Charlie Kirk memorials. Do you really think those people are going to bring the fence-sitters to the Democratic side?
Is it part of a false flag? Please explain.
False fag operation, I think is the current theory.
False flag operation, that's the ticket!
Republicans and Mossad assassinated one of their most influential youth spokesmen in front of a large crowd because they cynically believed hundreds of thousands of Leftists would publicly dance in the blood and horrify millions of Americans.
Oh, and this sets the stage for the assassinated to organize a giant memorial viewed by 100 million people.
Yeah, it was a gamble, but it looks like it paid off!
"These are not normal people."
Coming from this steaming pile of TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit, this is RICH!
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Maybe you should talk to your side about not slandering the dead, justifying an assassination, and celebrating somebody's murder.
You have no leg to stand on.
It doesn't think it wasn't an assassination, it thinks Kirk sacrificed himself in some false flag plot.
No, seriously.
Where is this weird false flag narrative coming from? It’s so improbable and laughable it has to be some concoction of a media silo, but which one is pushing it?
“ about not slandering the dead”
Charlie Kirk was a bad person. That’s not slander, it’s what his words show.
You should really fact check Maddow's hate filled talking points before regurgitating them. Or get off the meth as it is eroding your brain and creating delusions for your memories. Seek help.
the constant sniffing of his own gaslighting has addled his brain
"nelly, light a match!"
“ You should really fact check Maddow's hate filled talking points before regurgitating them.”
I don’t watch Maddow and I do my own thinking and research, thanks. I have posted two substantive and detailed lists of Kirks various bigotries and his actual words that show what a bigot he was. All you have to do os Google “Seven Mountains Mandate” to see the kind of extreme ideology that drove the man.
All you Kirk-suckers try to wave away all the hateful things he said and believed, but he was very public about being a shitty person.
Married father of two who's biggest sin was talking to leftists on campus.
Yes, the WORST.
I will give the Left credit: They DID prove him wrong.
He believed dialogue with the Left was possible. He was wrong.
“ Married father of two who's biggest sin was talking to leftists on campus.”
No, religious fanatic who repeatedly expressed homophobic, misogynist, and bigoted things. I’ve posted two long, detailed posts with his quotes. If you aren’t willing to face factual assertions and have to retreat into your safe space where Charlie Kirk was a saint and flawless, I can’t do anything more to help you.
“ He believed dialogue with the Left was possible. He was wrong.”
No, he wasn’t. Dialogue is the only thing that will get us out of this situation, where two blind and irrational minorities on the extremes crush the rest of us between you. The fact that you don’t realize that the radical left and MAGA are mirror images of each other just proves your lack of self-awareness.
Remember when MAGAs were all giddy and giggling when Pelosi's husband was whacked with a hammer?
But they never rejoice when their enemies are harmed. Nope. Only leftists do that.
I remember when former potus Jimmy Carter died. Looks a bit different than your team blue friends commenting here regarding Charlie Kirk’s assassination:
https://reason.com/video/2024/12/29/jimmy-carter-the-great-deregulator-1924-2024/?comments=true#comments
You mean there were no TikToks celebrating his demise?
Is Pelosi's husband a worldwide known political figure who was murdered on live TV , shrike?
Well, he was nearly killed for his political beliefs of allowing derange people with hammers into his home, so there's that.
I do remember and I also remember how little interest Republicans show when school kids are shot. I also remember that every Democrat from center to left expressed their sympathy to Kirk's family and decried political violence.
No you don't. The outliers represent the whole.
Like all those center to left Democrats in Congress who held their tongues during that memorial moment?
More than half voted against the resolution to condemn the murder. Then bragged about it on social media.
No, more than half voted against a false Charlie Kirk narrative praising the bigot and Christian nationalist as a good person and a good American. Anyone with a lick of honesty would refuse to sign on for that pike of bullshit.
By trannies?
Seriously, go fuck yourself.
I do remember and I also remember how little interest Republicans show when school kids are shot.
The school shootings are inspired by Columbine, which the press made a cause celebre for social maladapts by portraying it as the result of "toxic jock culture" rather than the reality, which is that Harris was a sociopath and Klebold was a follower that went along with whatever Harris did. But your team had to have its "oppressed/oppressor" bullshit story to push. Thanks for giving these assholes a cultural touchpoint to justify their murders.
Meanwhile, over 2.5 times as many people die from alcohol-related causes, including drunk driving and domestic violence, but I don't see you retards talking about bringing back Prohibition or calling for "common sense alcohol control." Poser.
I also remember that every Democrat from center to left expressed their sympathy to Kirk's family and decried political violence.
Holy shit, son, if you're going to lie, at least not do it so blatantly. Your teammates aren't losing their jobs because they're expressing sympathy. The fuck you think you're kidding?
"...Holy shit, son, if you're going to lie, at least not do it so blatantly..."
Raging TDS =/= reality.
One quibble Red, per the alcohol article this weekend, it seems him and his retarded allies WERE trying to bring back Prohibition.
I’m not surprised your memories are also false.
Get off the meth, it has distorted your memory and made you into Joy Reid.
"Sen. Ted Cruz (R–Texas), who said Federal Communications Commission Chairman Brendan Carr's censorial threats were "right out of Goodfellas.""
It's always wise to use a cultural stereotype when you're criticizing people you disagree with. It makes you look so much better than Carr looks, especially to Italian Americans.
It's drivel like this that makes me read only one or two articles every week on reason.com. I used to read some every day. Sadly, Reason is dying because of this group of partisan hacks with large vocabularies. Way to go Nick. It's time for an Old Yeller moment.
I seldom read the articles. None by Gillespie.
We know you don't. Hence your poor takes and inability to engage with the written issues. Why spend so much free time in an arena with people you detest and learning absolutely nothing? You gotta respect yourself better than that son.
"...Why spend so much free time in an arena with people you detest and learning absolutely nothing?.."
That mirror must be painful, asswipe
Pot, kettle...you get the...oh wait, no you don't. Never mind. You should insulting average people by comparing yourself to them.
LOL... And that my friends is what a TDS article looks like.
'What Trump said was soooooooooo awful because..."
"Um Er... Tariffs, Flat-Lies about the debt and unemployment."
Oh whoops kinda went off-track there didn't we?
Couldn't find any grounds to dispute what was said about Demon-rats. ????
So the next best thing is to attack the messenger.
Trump abuses power. Blame Democrats!
Trumps said something! He's abusing power! /s
In the land of TDS OCD.
Are those holes in your head self inflicted?
Ideas!
"Um Er... Tariffs, Flat-Lies about the debt and unemployment."
And some poll says Xn of the population is worried about the economy!!!
And a Geroge Mason prof SAID SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!
JEEZE, DO I HAVE TO CONNECT ALL THE DOTS?!?!?!?!?!?!
Over... whelmed with stagflation. I Can't Breathe!!!
What I see here is mostly fagflation…with Trump supporters wanting to clasp Trump’s balls when he splooges into whatever whore he’s fucking. Wear gloves! 😉
From a TDS-addled steaming pile of shit.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
“If I say it maybe it will be true”. Nice try Nick the Dick. Not likely.
RIP Charlie
Probably not. I hear Satan is an unforgiving taskmaster.
Hang in those circles and you will know the truth of what you hear. No one will hear your screams when it is your time Nelson.
RIP Charlie...
Charlie was a bigot, misogynist, and Christian Nationalist. He was definitely a bad, if not actually evil, person.
I am none of those things so I’m still confident that when I die, if there is a Heaven, I’ll be on the guest list.
Sadly you took someone else's word for it or simply believed the first BS that popped in your head.
You have this massive hate in your heart, specifically it seems against Christians and you think you would get into heaven?
Do you see how twisted and fucked up you are? Seek help, if not it can only get worse for you.
“ Sadly you took someone else's word for it or simply believed the first BS that popped in your head.”
No, I did a bunch of research, then posted two rather long posts detailing the various bigotries of Charlie Kirk. I don’t take anyone’s word for things. Skepticism is the most important self-preservation mechanism there is. Especially when the government is talking. You should try it some time.
“ You have this massive hate in your heart”
Not at all. I refuse to give shitty people my time and energy. Hate is literally a waste of my time.
“ specifically it seems against Christians”
Most of the people I know and love are Christians, so that would be awkward. I don’t hate Christians. I oppose theocracy and the superior status that Christians these days keep trying to create for themselves. Believe whatever you want, but the second your religion starts infringing on anyone else’s life, you are doing it wrong and should be stopped.
“ you think you would get into heaven?”
Yes. I don’t think that Heaven is reserved for people who joined the right club and made sure to ask forgiveness for their repeated cruel and vicious behavior. I believe that how you act, how you treat other people, and how honest you are in your heart is what gets you into Heaven.
If you’re interested, here it is in someone else’s words, “The Quakers … often prioritized living ethically in the current life over the expectation of an afterlife.”
https://quaker.org/do-quakers-believe-in-heaven/
Was the Lincoln Memorial the end of the anti-slavery movement? I mean, what with Lincoln being portrayed, sitting on a throne, adorned with two fasci, emperor-like with a stern look on his countenance? What kind of a look is that?
"Why the Charlie Kirk Memorial Might Spell the End of Trump and MAGA"
Are the walls closing in, asswipe? No.
Is it the beginning of the end, shitstain? No.
Will TDS-addled assholes like you EVER recover? Are you kidding? This represents their entire LIVES!
Does Nick agree with the Jews and Zionist-neocons who believe the New Testament is anti-Semitic?
The Jews killed Jesus…Tucker said so. Plus, I find The Passion of the Christ anti-Roman….Mel clearly wanted to continue making movies and everyone knows who controls Hollywood.
Folks, we have nothing to worry about. This and the voice-mail tree at your local power company are as good as AI is going to get.
And it is pathetic, ain't it?
Not a Christian nationalist or religious person. But I don't have any animosity for these people. It's pretty clear that these people see this murder as an attack on their faith and are responding with vigils and prayers unlike the George Floyd rioters who responded with arson and murder. Which, by the way, was totally cool with Reason. The only issue in those days was unmarked white vans. Ah, good times. I don't know the intersection of Christians with MAGA and Nick doesn't either but a couple hundred thousand people showing up for a funeral somehow fortells the death of MAGA because tariffs or something. In the Reason tradition Nick appeals to the authority of pollsters. These are, bear in mind, the same people who have been dead wrong about everything for at least a decade. And even if they accidentally got it right this time we would need to know the popularity of the alternative before we bury MAGA. A quick look at the polls shows the Democrats trailing Trump by huge numbers. Just hang up the jacket and retire or start a leftist podcast that nobody will subscribe to. Take off the libertarian costume and be the leftist we all know you are. You'll feel better.
You nailed it.
^+1. From an atheist.
- 1 from a Satanist. Hail Satan!!
From a TDS-addled steaming pile of shit.
Fuck off and die.
Ah, that explains a lot. Especially why Democrats have not only fallen into the outhouse, but they brought shovels to make it deeper, and invited the whole neighborhood to come to their place to party all day, eat plenty of questionable Mexican food, and strongly encourage them to use the outhouse early and often!
The drugs have finally fried the jackets brain.
Methinks TDS is playing a role in his downfall.
^^^^ more fagflation believing Trump’s splooge is like ivermectin and cures cancer. 😉
More ranting from TDS-addled lying pile of shit. Fuck off and die.
We get it Nick, you're fully on-board with the insane, murderous psycho terrorists of the DNC.
Crooks was a bitter clinger MAGA Republican!! Tyler was from the MAGA Family Robinson. Both raised as Christian gun nuts in Trump cuntry.
TDS-addled shits repeating lies never changes the lies into other than lies, TDS-addled shit.
Fuck off and die.
BTW:
"CNN Predicts DOOMSDAY for The Democrats"
[...]
"New CNN Polling Reveals Democrats Have Already LOST The 2026 Midterms"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7eZBUawgHM
Those are CNN numbers, TDS-addled shits
All they had to do was not be crazy.
Which, of course, is the problem. The Ds see (crazily) opposing Trump as the only option.
They're working hard to earn what they get!
Don’t you know I’m loco, ese??
Fuck off, shitstain
I knew Reason was desperate, but I didn't know they were THIS desperate.
So, who's bankrolling Reason?
Your handle and timing suggest trolling.
Do you think Trump is a gentle lover??
Fuck of and die asswipe.
I think it’s a dig at Jeff.
I like to think he’s a giving lover…that he gives more than he receives. And I doubt he does anal, I don’t think Melania is that kind of woman. Or wait, maybe he likes anal from Melania strapping on a big black dildo?? Would that be cultural appropriation?? All of these questions I would ask him if I ever got the opportunity.
Fuck of and die asswipe.
Donald Trump - target of two assassination and the most coordinated witch hunt against a single politician in America's history
Jimmy Kimmel - defames half the country after an unspeakable tragedy
Gillegpie - "Trump is being mean and vindictive"
No, Nick. If a rape victim swears she'll get her rapist and curses him out, you don't fault her for being dramatic.
I'm not going to fixate on (groan) tariffs and drugs on a time like this. It's just incredible that the libertarians are indifferent to the threat waged against Jews, conservatives, the religious right, and many others who are necessary to defend even a libertarianish society.
Just remember that when they start shooting YOU, we'd be the only people left to come to your defense. The insane left was all ready to chew out the libertarians for taking votes away from Hillary as recently as 2016.
"that the libertarians"
Reason is by no means "the libertarians".
“ Jimmy Kimmel - defames half the country after an unspeakable tragedy”
How, exactly?
“ No, Nick. If a rape victim swears she'll get her rapist and curses him out, you don't fault her for being dramatic.”
Trump isn’t the victim, he’s the perpetrator. And crying because people keep pointing out what an asshole he is.
“ It's just incredible that the libertarians are indifferent to the threat waged against Jews, conservatives, the religious right, and many others who are necessary to defend even a libertarianish society.”
Yeah, why don’t those people who support individual rights and oppose government coercion get on board with a President who deplores individual rights and wields government power in a vindictive and retributive way? Gee, I wonder.
I don't normally post this late, but this whole comment section is a shit show and I'm loving it.
edit: Also, taxation is theft.
Welcome to the last place in the world that should be called “Reason”!! Hail Satan!!
OK, open to suggestions regarding the assholic troll SBF:
Ignore?
Reply with "fuck off and die"?
Other?
Maybe try to become friends with him?? Remember when you were the new kid at school and the football players shoved you into a locker? Maybe he just needs to his group to hang it out with? Btw, do you like Morrissey?? I’m trying to start a Morrissey fan club here at Reason.
Fuck of and die shitstain.
Yeah, with the "Reason" authors and commenters like you, one has to wonder why any real libertarian bothers with this website.
Speeches by the president, Stephen Miller, and Tucker Carlson will accelerate dislike of the president’s agenda.
Only on Bluesky.
A short video clip of it may also remove tone and context.
What does Trump care. The left has been doing that to Charlie since about six nanoseconds after the bullet reached him. Trump knows, from experience, that's what they're going to do - and he also knows that the majority of this nation has tuned out the people doing it.
What the left is trying to spin in narratives like this is the notion that Trump, in speaking for Charlie, was speaking as Charlie. What it fails - intentionally - to understand is that Trump and Charlie have very different goals.
Charlie wanted to elevate the conversation and break the cycle of indoctrination. One of my favorite things he said was that how he could undo four years of indoctrination in 15 minutes of dialog. That was his goal. He wanted to help the victims of the left. And he was very good at it.
Trump's goal is different. He's taking on the aggressors of the left. Trump wants to kick everyone pissing all over America while telling us its raining straight in the nuts. And this is why he has such massive support, because all his supporters belief that kick is well overdue and twice as deserved.
Both are desperately needed right now in this nation. I don't 100% agree with Trump's methods, but I do agree that it's time to shovel the puke that leftists vomit up right back down their throats.
Charlie wanted the best for those who can still be saved. Trump wants the worst for those who can't. There is nothing inconsistent or paradoxical about that.
Miller cannot conceive of disagreement as stemming from anything other than a to-the-death commitment to destroy Western civilization
And why would he? The left has openly bragged that this is their plan and their goal.
like Trump and many of the speakers at the service, implied that the shooter is in no way the lone gunman he appears to have been, but a representative of some sort of vast conspiracy
Not a representative - just the end product. Remember, the left wants deniability in all this. They wanted Charlie Kirk dead while still being able to say, "We never said we wanted that."
Frankfurt School/Rules for Radicals, that will create violent Radicals eagerly willing to engage in vandalism, rioting, assault, and murder while being able to say, "That's not what we intended *wink wink*"
On specific issues that are at the center of his agenda, Trump's numbers are bad and getting worse,
Bruh, even CNN and MSNBC are admitting that's not true.
"The manufacturing sector is down 31,000 jobs" over the past few months, writes Reason's Eric Boehm.
Reason citing Reason! *drink*
Pay no attention to the federal courts stymieing the efforts to rebuild them! (Also, does that include the ~500 that were at the Georgia Hyundai plant?)
"Only on Bluesky."
Don't forget Mastadon!
Don't forget Reason staff.
OK, open to suggestions regarding the troll SBF:
Ignore?
Reply with "fuck off and die"?
Other?
Ignore.
+1
Ignore. It's like a 13 year old playing madlibs with insults and random "edgy" comments.
I muted the pathetic thing. You choose your path.
^+1
Tell you what. If the administration agrees to ostracize (Athenian style, 10 years) Miller and Carlson, I will work tirelessly to do the same to Rachel Maddow, Keith Olbermann, and 3 other players to be named later. Deal?
Nick is an avowed left minarchist. All kinds of state interventionism he believes in. This reads like an article from Mother Jones. Kind of used to respect Nick, but this is just boriing leftist analysis. I am embarrassed for Nick. I don't understand the lack of critique by Reason of the Biden administration. Even after Trump won, the critique of Biden was tepid at best. Libertarians used to stand for economic liberty as well as civil liberty. In fact, some of us thought you couldn't have one without the other. If Nick or any of the commenters here want to embrace real libertarianism, quit voting for psychopaths. In fact stop voting. It's immoral. Start embracing property rights and capitalism. And the libertarian party can quit putting up groomer homosexual pedophiles that hate economic liberty as candidates. That's the job of the left. Even the left did slighly better by putting up that drunken fool Kumrag Harris.
Have to claim some hope.
Got "Reason" as a mimeographed publication from Santa Barbara in the '70s (got receipts). You are correct in accepting that it has turned into a raging left-wing rag since then.
Some of us who have witnessed the degradation are sad. The TDS-addled lefty lying piles of lefty shit seem pleased
I’m very happy. Hail Satan!
“Miller cannot conceive of disagreement as stemming from anything other than”
There’s a lot of that going around…
After days of silence, Joe Rogan weighs in on Kimmel’s suspension
After days of silence, a guy who has an audience weighs in on another guy who doesn't have an audience.
But Trump's collapse is on his hands, not those of any conspiracy. Per RealClearPolitics' average of polls, the last time Trump's approval rating was higher than his disapproval rating was back in March. Currently, his disapproval is at 52.6 percent, just 0.1 of a point below his worst ever rating since January.
Hillary has an 90% chance at being president.
Biden is fit, rested and ready.
The momentum is with Kamala and brat summer.
The momentum is with Kamala and brat summer
...it was the wurst of times...
Oh, in other news that you won't hear, I have an aviation nut friend who reports as of this evening: "B-2 bombers left the east coast at 9:45pm Eastern time. Headed over the Atlantic with a full regiment of tankers and fighter escorts... make of that what you will."
This is the same aviation nut that reported a huge volume of military aircraft flying east several days before we struck Iran.
We’re taking back Bagram!! Thank god!! Btw, don’t all the Trump supporters that believe Putin was correct to invade Ukraine because of NATO encroachment believe China would be correct to prevent us from taking back Bagram?? Trump literally stated being closer to China’s nukes was the reason to retake Bagram and not degrading ISIS-K which would be consistent with our original mission in Afghanistan.
Why was it that Russia didn't invade anyone while Bush Jr or Trump were President but it was "full steam ahead" when Obama and Biden were?
It can't possibly be because Obama promised Russia that "after the election, he'd have more flexibility" or because Biden promised Russia that the US would tolerate "minor incursions" into Ukraine.
Nah, the Democrats can't possibly be secret allies with Putin!
Putin started this nonsense in 2008 when Bush had our military overextended and we were importing huge amounts of oil and about to start importing LNG and our economy was collapsing because of Bush’s mismanagement.
Putin invaded Ukraine out of desperation because Trump had gotten us out of Afghanistan and developed the COVID vaccine…and the fracking revolution happened under Obama and he got us out of Iraq…and Biden had our economy booming and then made us energy dominant with LNG exports.
Get off the meth
Since Charlie Kirk's murder at the hands of a radical left wing extremist, the requests for joining TPUSA are into the hundreds of thousands.
MAGA just got a boost not a loss. Conservatives have the radical leftists on the run. Expect even more violence from the leftists and it's already happening. The leftists are planning more violence.
Nick, old boy, you should pay more attention.
Nock won't. As a TDS-addled lying pile of shit, he's responding to the voices in his head, not reality.
"Why should I not hate mine enemies - if I "love" them does that not place me at their mercy?" -- Anton Szandor LaVey
News flash: Democrats call Republicans fascists. Republicans call Democrats hateful extremists. Reason is shocked! Shocked that extreme political rhetoric is going on here.
"Trump is nothing if not vindictive to opponents big and small, real and imagined"
Seems like the side that is shooting one of their "opponents" in the neck, while cheering it on and then vilifying the man's widow, is the one that is being vindictive.
What drives people to "predict" what others will do without any actual evidence to back their predictions? Come on Nick, you are better than this.
"Sunday's event may well represent the high-water mark of Trump's final term and the crescendo of MAGA more broadly as the negative and unpopular effects of his policies become unmistakable."
Neutral, Nick is not better than this.
He may have been once. He definitely is not now. He is a less interesting Yglesias.
Keep attacking the folks who speak the truth. Sadly I see now a different side of Nick and I am not sure I like it?
"Earlier in September, Miller inveighed against "a vast, organized ecosystem of indoctrination" comprising "child services, law clerks, hospital nurses, teachers, gov't workers, even DOD employees" who "have been deeply and violently radicalized."
Denial of fact based on evidence, truth, is unbecoming for anyone but it seems especially wrong when embellished by someone in media. Miller's statement is correct, the ecosystem and people involved exist.
"Sadly I see now a different side of Nick and I am not sure I like it?"
Been in occasional contact with Nick since the move to LA, and in occasional contact with those who were not happy with Nick's "black jacket thug" approach; seems they were right.
"Why the Charlie Kirk Memorial Might Spell the End of Trump and MAGA."
Not really.
If anything, the political assassination will move the independents (the ones who really elect presidents, congressmen and senators) to the GOP.
The radical left lives in their own little Never-Never Land believing they can do anything they want, any time they want to anyone they want with impunity.
But human nature and the real world doesn't work that way.
Kirk is viewed as a martyr for conservatives who was shot by a insane leftist.
If Nick thinks this is the end of Maga, then he's going to be in for one big fucking surprise.
Somehow this reads as "wishful thinking."
"...Somehow this reads as "wishful thinking."..."
By TDS-addled piles of shit.
Nick was the last holdout of the old guard against TDS 8 years ago. Definitely not a Trump fan, but at least he didnt go down the TDS rabbit hole and offered pushback on the more bizarre claims.
Well, that has changed. He is fully broken. Overcome with TDS. His X history is filled with unhinged anti-Trump nonsense. Sad to see. We need an actual libertarian voice today, and Reason is done and dusted. They are "sometimes libertarian adjacent", at best.