Charlie Kirk Would Not Have Wanted This
A vast cancel culture campaign is a poor way to honor his legacy.

The shocking assassination of Charlie Kirk has caused understandable distress for so many Americans, including not just his fans and supporters but millions of other people who are rightly dismayed by the prospect of political violence. That's partly because we just aren't accustomed to it: While it is commonplace for politicians and media figures to warn of violent political rhetoric leading to more actual violence, it remains the case that ideologically-motivated killings of national figures are blessedly rare. The targeted attacks on members of Congress such as Reps. Gabby Giffords (D–Ariz.) and Steve Scalise (R–La.), as well as the attempted assassinations of presidents Donald Trump, Ronald Reagan, and Gerald Ford, are memorable because this type of violence doesn't happen very often.
Kirk's grisly murder—which was captured on video and watched on social media by millions of people—is unusual and profoundly unsettling. Many people are processing their grief in ways that are edifying: spontaneous vigils hosted by individuals whose lives were changed by him, kind remembrances of his approach to politics penned by his ideological foes, and so on.
Others are not. In fact, many of Kirk's most ardent fans are now engaged in one of the largest mass cancellation efforts of all time: Some Republican legislators, MAGA activists, and conservative media figures are assembling watchlists with the explicit aim of silencing, firing, expelling, and perhaps even criminalizing any and all anti-Kirk sentiment. Rep. Clay Higgins (R–La.) wants to use explicit government pressure to crush anyone who "ran their mouth" and belittled the gravity of Kirk's death; top Trump advisor Stephen Miller is vowing some kind of unspecified crackdown on the right's political enemies; and conservative influencers are writing down the names and professions of Kirk besmirchers and calling their employers. Vice President J.D. Vance, filling in as a guest host on Kirk's show, instructed viewers to engage in unrestricted cancelling.
When it comes to cancel culture, it is always necessary to draw distinctions and register certain caveats. Criticism is not necessarily cancellation, and not every person currently under attack for having said something ugly about Kirk is a victim. The First Amendment is a bulwark against government action: It does not mean everyone can say whatever they want and suffer no consequences. If your boss fires you, you aren't being censored—unless the government twisted your boss's arm. (See: jawboning.)
That said, it's worth keeping in mind that many commentators—ranging from classical liberals and free speech centrists on the left-of-center to many folks on the hard right—have embraced a larger view of free speech and cancel culture: It's better to live in a world where people don't get fired or expelled because they tweeted something stupid.
And yes, it's true that there's a difference between canceling someone for welcoming the death of Kirk and canceling someone for tweeting something homophobic when they were 14 years old. There is also a big difference between canceling someone for justifying violence against Kirk and canceling someone who merely objects to his views, behavior, and political project. Furthermore, there's a major difference between canceling someone in a public-facing communications role and canceling someone who is otherwise obscure.
Let's consider three examples of post-Kirk cancellation attempts that aptly demonstrate why caution, discernment, and forgiveness are important.
1. Shane Gillis's Audio Engineer
Students for Trump activist Ryan Fournier attacked Shane Gillis—an anti-woke comedian who was himself canceled by the left and subsequently rehabilitated—for employing an audio technician who called Kirk a nazi.
"Is this who Shane Gillis has running his sound?" asked Fournier.
Gillis responded: No, it isn't. On X, he shared a photo of his actual sound guy, an entirely different person (who certainly looks the part of "Shane Gillis sound guy"). The tech person identified by Fournier was just a random person who helped with sound for one of Gillis's shows at some point in the past. Gillis probably doesn't get to handpick the camera guy or the sound guy—or the janitor or the plumber—at every venue he's ever visited. No one does! Being mad at Gillis about this is exceedingly lame, and people are rightly dragging Fournier on X.
But this just goes to show how lazy and careless attempts at cancelation can become. Again, this was something the right was well aware of during the heyday of wokeness, circa 2014-2022. Targeting ordinary, working people for unwise statements on social media should be viewed with skepticism.
2. Teachers Who Don't Like Kirk
Conservatives have drawn particular attention to a large number of primary educators who have made ugly comments about Kirk. This is a trickier subject, because parents have every right to object to the manner in which their kids are educated. The best solution, of course, is school choice: Let families decide which school environments are best aligned with their own values.
Even so, it seems wrong to me to attempt to get a teacher fired for merely saying that she really doesn't like what Kirk stood for. This was the case with a first-grade teacher called out by Libs of TikTok, the ultimate social media scalp hunter, who said the teacher described Kirk as "a gross racist, awful person who fueled the fires of division…please stop acting like he was some hero."
The ellipsis cut out this important disclaimer: "he didn't deserve to die, but."
If a parent does not want their child to be educated by someone who dislikes Kirk, we should support any and all policies that would make it easier for that parent to enroll their child in a different environment. But merely expressing an opinion about Kirk should obviously not be a firing offense, particularly since the view was posted to social media—it was not uttered in the classroom itself.
3. Karen Attiah, Good Riddance
Then there's the case of Karen Attiah, a Washington Post columnist and global opinions editor, who was fired by the paper for comments she made about Kirk on Bluesky. This strikes me as a case where the cancellation was justified.
To be clear, Attiah should not have lost her job for merely disagreeing with, or criticizing, Kirk. Yet she contends that this is exactly what happened.
"I am the one being silenced—for doing my job," she writes on her new Substack.
The Bluesky posts in question were troll-ish and unflattering—"America, especially white America is not going to do what it needs to do to get rid of guns in this country"—though Attiah is entitled to her opinion. What she is not entitled to do, as a journalist and editor, is manipulate someone else's quote.
Attiah, by her own admission, wrote a post on Bluesky in which she quoted Kirk saying the following: "Black women do not have the brain processing power to be taken seriously. You have to go steal a white person's slot."
Kirk never said this: Watch the clip. What he said was that the achievements of four specific black women—former First Lady Michelle Obama, former MSNBC host Joy Reid, Supreme Court Associate Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, and former Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee (D–Texas)—were suspect because of affirmative action; the existence of racial preferences casts a pall over their selections for various positions. One can certainly criticize the point or disagree with how he worded it (Michelle Obama, diversity hire?), but he did not say the words attributed to him by Attiah. And she put it in quotes, which is journalistic malpractice.
That's a fundamentally different situation. Opposing cancel culture does not mean there should be zero accountability for anyone in a public role. It only means that those of us who denounced the excesses of woke enforcement during the late 2010s should similarly reject a rightwing counter-reaction that seeks to unperson anyone who does not hold Kirk in sufficient esteem.
It's also worth keeping in mind that Kirk disdained cancel culture and loved debate—seriously, he relished the fray more than most, and enjoyed mixing it up with people who obviously disliked him. Launching a vast and unscrupulous campaign to silence everyone who shares an unkind thought about Kirk is a poor way to honor his legacy.
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Team blue’s rainbow cult member murdered a man for what he said. People upset about the folks openly celebrating the assassination are asking employers to reconsider their relationships with those celebrating. Just speech. There are sometimes consequences to being a douchebag. Those trying to boaf sidez it are being disingenuous.
Normal people will remember the job losses, grocery and gas prices when it's time to cast the ballot. Voters will not remember a right wing pundit, just like they didnt remember jan 6, g floyd, school shootings et al. This will not make history more than any other random act of violence in this country, the people dont care.
Right wingers are loud, sure, but those that gave them the benefit of the doubt in 2024 have heard enough.
Fuck you. Name and shame the assholes who want us dead. I'll take my freedom to not associate with them.
No offense, Robby, but "The ellipsis cut out this important disclaimer: "he didn't deserve to die, but.""
The "but" terminated any disclaimer.
"Sure she should not have been raped, but did you see what she wore?" would not be viewed as actually opposing a rape.
The fact that people feel the need to say this really does demonstrate a bit of a problem. "I'm not saying I agree with murdering people I disagree with, BUT..."
You don't need to talk out of both sides of your mouth when condemning political assassinations. You can put a bit of air between the denunciation of violence and your disagreements with the victim.
Sadly, much of the right has adopted it in a deranged Stockholm Syndrome - "I didn't agree with everything Charlie Kirk had to say, but..."
"But-monkeys" are an exhausting bunch....
"...The "but" terminated any disclaimer..."
Yes. Example, 'I support the first amendment, but'
IOWs, you don't.
Charlie Kirk Would Not Have Wanted This
Charlie Kirk was a moderate and a Christian and lived his life accordingly.
I am neither. The left has been protected from consequences for far too long. I will support and participate in consequences.
Nice re-write of history. Mike Pence was a moderate. Charlie Kirk bussed people to Jan 6 and the Jan 6 crowd wanted to hang Mike Pence. Kirk also supported the pardons for the Jan 6 people who beat cops etc...
Kirk was a MAGA fanatic. So maybe under the modern MAGA GOP definition he is moderate where the only litmus test is loyalty to MAGA. But by any reasonable objective criteria, he was not a moderate.
LOL, Kirk was one of the last remaining conservatives after the last decade of your bullshit who thought your side was still worth debating. Thanks for proving that such faith was misplaced.
Oh dear Kirk bussed people to a political rally!!! Say it ain't so.
Don't real lawyers actually go and verify the claims they make? Because you didn't here.
"Mike Pence was a moderate."
Your side felt he was a Bible-thumping extremist.
Your side also thought Mitt Romney wanted to bring back slavery.
It’s sickening they try to gaslight like this thinking anyone will fall for it
My side? I don't have a side. I know that Charlie Kirk was pissed at Pence for not following Trump's plan for stealing the election. Kirk's words below:
"So the final outcome can be this: Believe it or not, there is a almost guaranteed way Donald Trump serves four more years. It's this simple. Mike Pence listens to the objections, he listens to the claims and the complaints, and he says "based on the power and the authority granted to me as President of the United States Senate, and my oath to the Constitution of the United States, I refuse to certify at this very moment the election results of Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan. Therefore no person, no candidate, has reached a 270 majority threshold, and the United States House of Representatives shall decide this election." Gavel out.
Kirk was fine with throwing out the votes of 7 states; disregarding the Constitution and installing Trump as president despite losing the election. Kirk is not himself a lawyer - he didn't even finish undergrad if memory serves. What he could do very well, though, is repeat MAGA bullshit to his large audience of idiots and make lots of money grifting for MAGA.
And Pence was a bible humping moron. That is true. But in today's GOP, that is moderate if that is all they are. Unlike Kirk, who also was a bible humping moron, but advocated to make his views law and impose some kind of weird christo-fascist worldview on the rest of us. Which is the difference between Pence and Kirk and makes Pence moderate in comparison.
Why does every fucking leftist here deny they have a side? Don't you see it just makes you far more dishonest than we already know you are?
Is that part of Act Blue 101 training?
By any reasonable objective criteria, you are a lying sack of shit. Honestly you DNC trolls really need to update your talking points. You've already lost the current narrative. But I'm sure you can do better. You would do better to just kick back and wait for your overlords to dictate the talking point of the day. Not that anybody gives a shit what you have to say about anything but you are a useful tool to keep the rest of us up to date on the latest DNC fever dream. I for one am grateful for your efforts as humiliating as it obviously is for you.
"Michelle Obama, diversity hire?"
Got a job with a hospital as Obama's career took off and when she left after he won the WH, the hospital never filled her old position.
Doesn't seem like a real job, honestly.
EDIT: I do not care if anybody disliked Kirk. Posting videos joyously celebrating his video is fucked the hell up and if your job is paid by taxpayers, yes, your job should cease to be.
I'd also suggest anybody who works with these people to discuss how unsafe you feel with them there with your HR department. They, legally, cannot ignore you.
When Barack was elected Senator Michelle received a pay raise of something like 180,000. [of 180k, not to 180k].
Your spouse goes to the Senate, you become a lot more employable, regardless of your skin color.
The hospital never filled her former position. It was created for her and retired when she left.
Totes coincidental.
So you're for political corruption, that's not much of a libertarian position.
The ellipsis cut out this important disclaimer: "he didn't deserve to die, but..."
Look at the way he was dressed!
Really, Fruit Sushi? At least you've cut out your, "To be sures," a bit... still have a nasty, "BOAF SIDEZ," tendency. Probably genetic.
Teachers *should* be held to that higher standard, & parents have every right to behold them as such, especially since they have a monopoly on education as whole. You're correct about school choice & dissolution of Federal & State DoEs, but until that Magical Libertarian Educational Panacea appears...
Shaming is not cancellation, nor is being discharged from employment an infringement upon 1A rights. Period. Full Stop. End of Story. Which applies in cases 1) & 3). Case 2) is a check on that disproportionate scope of power & influence, to the extent that can be meted out.
Those teachers can run their digital mouths regardless of employment status.
Also, Fruit Sushi, unless you're capable of performing a seance with the recently-murdered-in-cold-blood-in-front-of-his-wife and children, your spectacular hubris suggesting what Charlie Kirk would want (pretty fucking sure he didn't want to be assassinated in cold blood - regardless of understanding the potential risks) is absolutely staggering, Soave.
Your presumption is pretty sickening, really. Carry on with your stupid, "To be sures..." And learn how to change a fucking tire while you're at it.
I'm going to be fair to Robby here and agree that, yes, Charlie didn't support cancel culture at all. The whole point of him going to these colleges was to engage his political opponents, on their turf, and show that a debate could be had between sides. He even said one time that the whole point of doing this was to try and stop a revolution from happening. He went to have debates with them and they killed him for it, because he wouldn't knuckle under to their retarded political theology.
All this did was demonstrate that the left traffics in special pleading, and that if they think you deserve to die, you should. "I don't support political violence, but" actually means "I support political violence."
The left's complaints about this are insincere and don't need to be taken seriously.
I'm going to be fair to Robby here and agree that, yes, Charlie didn't support cancel culture at all.
Strictly speaking, that's a true statment. He did not want impediments to honest and authentic discourse. He gave his life for it. Dammit. He was Cancelled in the most literal of ways. And, I admit, i'm angry about it. He lived his Mission Statement.
That said, Kirk was also a strong proponent of, "Free Speech with Awareness of Consequence." You could see it in how he approached all those hostile crowds, giving even those who did not (to me) derserve the patience & fair hearing he gave to each of the interlocutors with whom he verbally sparred. Meaning, these people are not being "cancelled", per se. Just having the Mirror of Accountability being held to their faces and for all the world to see.
If they are shamed, so be it. Their speech rights aren't taken away, which Kirk would find abhorrrent, but, Kirk also consistently espoused accountability of action, which Fruit Sushi is glossing over in the first two cases.
In all cases, regardless of employment status, all actors here are still able (to my knowledge) say whatever insincere, vapid, sociopathic tripe they wish.
I'll cotton to being one of Rob's defenders on here if only because he's one of the rare journalists that has gotten a shitton of flak for doing nothing more than actually looking beyond the surface level of a story. The Anna Merlan incident during the UVa rape hoax story ultimately led to that story completely falling apart, and it was mainly because that dumb bitch caused the Streisand Effect on Robby's reporting. Same thing with Nicholas Sandmann; no way he gets that big payout from CNN if Robby hadn't done what should have been the bare fucking minimum for any journalist, and watched the whole damn video instead of the social media clip that got passed around, in what became a foreshadowing of the Great Tard-rage of 2020.
The hemming and hawing he does obviously comes from being ensconced in the Acela Corridor, but he's also taken risks to his own career just for doing the most basic bitch journalism these lazy, partisan fucks can't be bothered to undertake. So I'll always be a fan of his even when I don't like his takes.
The Anna Merlan incident during the UVa rape hoax story ultimately led to that story completely falling apart, and it was mainly because that dumb bitch caused the Streisand Effect on Robby's reporting. Same thing with Nicholas Sandmann; no way he gets that big payout from CNN if Robby hadn't done what should have been the bare fucking minimum for any journalist, and watched the whole damn video instead of the social media clip that got passed around, in what became a foreshadowing of the Great Tard-rage of 2020.
That's compelling. And a good bit Charlie Kirking there, Rocksey...
I'll keep that in mind goind forward, & try to give Sushster a bit more a break & be (a little less) combative. Good on him & thank you for the info. I can respect anyone who takes a major (if not a potential death knell) risk to his or her career....
And then he got his politico gig and called balsey Ford credible.
Yeah. All of these people who think Robby is somehow a voice of reason in the world of Reason have not been paying attention. He's certainly ambitious and has a TV show and is a Fox News talking head. But his only real appeal , aside from his fabulous hair, is that he can mouth milk toast pablum and call it libertarian. Go back and read his Kavanaugh coverage. It's beyond pathetic. He's a sad little man worthy only of sympathy. Not respect.
Charlie didn't support cancel culture at all. The whole point of him going to these colleges was to engage his political opponents, on their turf, and show that a debate could be had between sides.
This is one of the reasons Charlie was so admirable so undeserving of his fate.
Rob's defenders on here if only because he's one of the rare journalists that has gotten a shitton of flak for doing nothing more than actually looking beyond the surface level of a story.
Yeah, Robby's also admirable. I think few realize Robby broke both those stories nation wide. Either one of those alone is worth a lifetime pass to me.
Thanks Groovus. You said it better than I would have.
Groovus remembers the real Robby. I had forgotten that he earned the title Fruit Sushi. And that was before he came out of the closet. As a conservative I mean.
This article comes off as "this is what Jesus would want/do" from an atheist.
Kirk had zero problem exposing insane ideas of the left. That's all that is being done. Because businesses are being forced to see what their employees are doing is causing the actions.
What was Reason’s take when Biden was strongly encouraging private entities from deplatforming from conservative and libertarian voices?
Muh Private Companies if I remember.
When it is only individual entities is is bad but when their daddy Biden used govt to coerce it they were totes ok with it?
It’s (D)ifferent.
This periodical could rebrand as Dicked magazine.
Kirk did say what Karen Attiah said he did. She did not get the quote perfect word for word, but he did say that.
No. He didnt. Which is why she was fired. You dont have to lie to justify your teams murder.
Yes she does. It's the only way lefties can justify anything.
The video linked has him saying that. MAGAs are dipshits who can't tell their fantasy land from reality.
LOL, the irony of this statement would blot out the sun.
Rorshach?
No. It doesn't.
What he said is linked in the article you stupid lying fuck. Just go watch it. Or is the narrative too important for truth?
Dude the video backs up my claim.
It specifically does not.
I assume English is your second language as lying is clearly your first.
You mean he basically agrees with Moynihan, democrat from the 60s, on the breakdown of black families and engendered dependence on welfare? Lol.
Fuck off doc retard.
Charlie Kirk Would Not Have Wanted This
That's probably true. But it fails to come to terms with the fact that Kirk's approach, while creditable, still wound up with him getting shot through the jugular in front of his wife and kids. I'm not saying the approach is necessarily wrong. But, trying to get around the fact Kirk's death revealed that at least a sizeable part of the country's population is willing to kill us by proxy is more insulting than persuasive.
I think Charlie Kirk would not have wanted his children to grow up without their father because some deranged lefty thought murder was preferable to discussion.
The targeted attacks on members of Congress such as Reps. Gabby Giffords (D–Ariz.)...
Loughner was psychotic so a different example of targeted political violence might have been more appropriate.
I find the cancellation feeding frenzy unworthy of Kirk's legacy, but as an employer I would probably want to know if my representative to the public was someone so brainwashed, so inside a bubble much smaller than they imagined, that they felt comfortable sharing contempt for a murder victim on platforms that easily tie them to my business. Teachers, especially, who are so clueless as to think that everyone but a small minority of deplorables agrees with them that Kirk deserved his assassination could be at ease telling children any number of questionable things.
Teachers, especially, who are so clueless as to think that everyone but a small minority of deplorables agrees with them that Kirk deserved his assassination could be at ease telling children any number of questionable things.
And that, My Dear Fisty, is why they should be held to that higher standard.
As it's been suggesting to me, a benchmark of wisdom is knowing when to employ restraint of tongue, pen, & digital ink...
And that, My Dear Fisty, is why they should be held to that higher standard.
I wouldn't call it a higher standard. I'd call it a normal standard. The left just hasn't been held to it for the last decade-plus.
BTW, Groovus, it's good to see you back on here. I could swear it's been, what, a decade?
Yes, actually almost 12 years...
It's been a minute. I remember you as, "Red Rocks Rockin'," yes?
Thank you & likewise.... felt sentimental, and this Charlie Kirk situation really has me fired up. In a healthy way.
I greatly admired the man & singularity of purpose. He will be missed.
A lot of us, including the board ex-pats who set up Glibertarians, were legitimately worried something had happened to you during all the protests.
Well, I will swing by there & say hello.
And thank you, I appreciate it.
Let's just say, besides finding a wife & starting a family, The Great Donetsk Experiment in Free Market Medicine was a dangerious failure. No shit, we nearly got killed. So, we had to head to the UK.
That's another story in itself.
Took a bit to get her in the Legal Immigration Process - which is a pickle in itself - & been back in the states for over two years. It's been a massive adjustment for us all and a wild ride, to say the least...
Welcome back.
As I've pointed out elsewhere, the social contract isn't a one-way street. It requires everyone to agree to a basic set of principles, follow those principles, and marginalize and shun those who don't until they agree to follow them, or go elsewhere. For over 50 years, the left's guiding principle has been, "It's okay when we do it." It's literally codified as such in Marcuse's "Repressive Tolerance," even though the roots of it go all the way back to the French Revolution and the Committees of Public Safety and General Security.
The Democrats were finally able to keep their most aggressively retarded followers wrangled after a decade and a half of left-wing domestic terrorism that lasted from 1968-1983. Obama's re-election convinced them that they had free rein to exercise their core principle again, since the jug-eared fucker was funding them via the USAID spiderweb, which is ultimately how we got here to begin with.
The left has forgotten that no one has infinite patience, least of all their political enemies. And openly celebrating the assassination of someone who didn't use words they liked certainly puts a neat bow on the era of "ideas." De-escalation only works when your opponents haven't demonstrated over the last decade-plus that they're willing to escalate with "direct action" to not just ruin your life, but to end it for opposing them.
The social contract is why I wear pants. It’s why I drive the speed limit, and on the right side of the street. It’s why I don’t fart in crowded elevators.
If the social contract were abrogated to the point that everyone around me was violating it, I probably would too.
The social contract is not why I don’t commit murder or rape. It is not why I don’t lie, cheat, and steal. Even if everyone else were doing those things — probably especially if everyone else were doing them — I would not.
Because I am not a piece of shit. The more pieces of shit there are in this world, the more important it is that I not be one more.
Punishing people for what they believe — even if what they believe is “people should be punished for what they believe” — is exactly the kind of behavior that needs to stop.
How does sharing a video posted by the person in question serve as punishment?
They wanted attention.
They got it.
Like former County Clerk Kim Davis?
They aren’t being punished for what they believe, they aren’t praying silently outside an abortion clinic -they are being punished for their actions.
Unhinged loons who approve of violence shouldn’t be teaching young people. Those with no respect for the civil rights of others don’t belong in government , Like KKK members.
The social contract is a lot more than the false dichotomy you've posted here.
As I've pointed out elsewhere, the social contract isn't a one-way street. It requires everyone to agree to a basic set of principles, follow those principles, and marginalize and shun those who don't until they agree to follow them, or go elsewhere. For over 50 years, the left's guiding principle has been, "It's okay when we do it."
Awesome. The social contract isn't a one-way street, and it is only the left going the wrong direction.
Charlie Kirk believed in Good and Evil.
He did not believe in tolerating (let alone rationalizing) Evil or respecting its "right" to exist and flourish and poison otherwise Good people.
Charlie Kirk did not view the college students who disagreed with him as Evil. Just susceptible to it. God knows their teachers are trying their hardest, and I'm willing to be Kirk viewed them as Evil ("You should be ashamed of your father."). But he was willing to engage the students, and even some of their evil teachers, consider what they had to say, show them respect, and offer alternative ways of thinking.
That is not what we're talking about when we discuss what grown men and women are penning openly under their own names on social media, who are so despicably Evil that they think there should be zero social consequence for doing something so plainly Evil.
I get it Robby. You're trying your hardest as a loyal servant to mitigate the fallout of this assassination, because of how badly it's exposed the Left for what they are.
You will not succeed.
My advice, for all it's worth, repent and pray for forgiveness. You can only hide in your cerulean towers for so long.
Isn't the counter to vile speech supposed to be more speech? Well, there it is. The counter to vile speech about Charlie Kirk is speech about how vile the person is.
There's a huge difference between cancelling someone for saying "there's only two genders" or "only 6% of black slaves came to the US", versus cancelling someone who rejoices in murder and wants more of it.
And when it comes to teachers and government employees, I shed no tears. They don't belong in government if they haven't got the common sense and common decency to keep such vile thoughts to themselves, any more than a receptionist should be tolerated for putting a sign on her desk celebrating Charlie Kirk's murder. They represent the government that my tax dollars support. I don't want them running my government any more than I want some KKK member running my government. They are as repulsive and betraying their job just as much as a WaPo pundit making up lies.
There's a huge difference between cancelling someone for saying "there's only two genders" or "only 6% of black slaves came to the US", versus cancelling someone who rejoices in murder and wants more of it.
Or, as I mentioned this morning, cancelling a high schooler for doing the "made you look" hand gesture because a bunch of left-wing idiots in the media fell for a 4chan prank.
They certainly gave us plenty of examples. Now they whine when they get it back.
Who, not what.
Fuck off, sarc
It's pretty offensive for people who hated Kirk to be lecturing others on how to honor his legacy. It reminds me of atheists lecturing believers on how to practice their religion.
the teacher described Kirk as "a gross racist, awful person who fueled the fires of division…please stop acting like he was some hero."
How is this comment not divisive? This is yet another example of Left Wing Privilege. They routinely assert standards they fail themselves, but they never notice because their status as left wingers in good status means they are presumed pure. This is how all the institutions they control function.
It's pretty offensive for people who hated Kirk to be lecturing others on how to honor his legacy.
"This is what he would have wanted," said the people bastardizing his message.
"Cancel culture" is very simple. No one should get "cancelled" (fired, doxxed, similar things) for things that aren't worth getting fired or doxxed for.
That's it. It's very very simple. Conservatives decried "cancel culture" for people getting cancelled when stating normal conservative things (men aren't women and can't decide to become women). Because that's not something anyone should get fired or doxxed over, or even sanctioned in any way. In fact, that statement should be praised.
On the other hand, "Charlie Kirk had it coming" is worth getting fired or doxxed over.
Every single bit of it is eye of the beholder. But we all have eyes, and we all behold.
No one should get "cancelled" (fired, doxxed, similar things) for things that aren't worth getting fired or doxxed for.
And no one ever does!
You got fired for saying “preferred” pronouns — transphobically implying it’s a mere preference? Well, apparently that was bad enough, as you have now observed.
"Preferred" pronouns are simply demands that you lie.
So, you advocate firing people for not lying to protect the feelings of the mentally ill.
These people posted messages publicly intended to be spread on social media. The right is just helping them spread their message. You take more offense to that than fucking shooting someone for speaking.
Say. Why not write an article about how Democrats can blame their 'cancel culture' onto the Right??
Leftard Self-Projection. It's about as predictable as water being wet.
Something, something, tariffs.
You know what else Charlie Kirk wouldn't have wanted?
A Kit Kat bar?
Wait, no-no-no....
A Klondyke Bar?
*kicks pebble*
But muh private companies.
So, I get it. Teachers and government employees aren't allowed to express themselves on social media, unless they have the "correct" messages. Once a person becomes a government employee, that person hands over all decision-making power over his/her life to the taxpayers. They cease being autonomous individuals and instead become slaves to the mob.
This is exactly how I expected the MAGA crowd to react.
Fuck off jeffy.
Frankly, I think it's time to put surveillance cameras inside the homes of government employees. So that the taxpayers can monitor how they spend their lives while living on the dole, otherwise known as a "salary". Did that government employee actually buy name-brand cereal instead of a generic brand? How dare he/she waste the precious taxpayer money like that!
Once a person becomes a government employee, all expectations of privacy or personal autonomy go out the window. They should submit to the will of the crankiest taxpayer in every matter or else risk being fired.
How, a toadie for the state?
Well, you've been exceptionally fond of state actions against citizens since, at least, 2020. So you now finding government employees as being above reproach should not be that surprising.
You are broken so badly.
"So, I get it. Teachers and government employees aren't allowed to express themselves on social media, unless they have the "correct" messages."
They are quite free to.
And people are allowed to express themselves to their employers about their employees' possible tainting of their brand and sending evidence of the claim.
"Once a person becomes a government employee, that person hands over all decision-making power over his/her life to the taxpayers. They cease being autonomous individuals and instead become slaves to the mob."
If one government employee dropped "n-words" on social media regularly --- they would suffer no consequences?
"This is exactly how I expected the MAGA crowd to react."
HOW DARE YOU PEOPLE NOTE THAT WE WANT TO KILL YOU AND WILL CELEBRATE JOYOUSLY WHEN IT HAPPENS!!! --- chemjeff
Like former County Clerk Kim Davis?
That is (D)ifferent.
Jeff literally defended all.the Colorado attacks against the baker.
Remember when government employees were fired by Biden for not taking the jab? He may not, but I do!
Edit: Also, there was a fucking teacher in Canada showing the footage of Charlie's murder to 5th and 6th graders, that is well and truly beyond the pale!
They never gave one fucking shit about free speech. They just wanted an opportunity to be a fucking douche and then claim the victim when someone called them on their shit. Fucking hypocrites.
Yeah, that's the left, thanks for noticing.
LOL, yeah, your side hates it when you get a spoonful of your own medicine, as a treat.
An appeal to principle from a leftist. That's very funny. I would say I've seen it all, but I know it's cope over it being done back to you. How could you faggots possibly say you did not deserve this? Comedy gold.
LOL. This mealy-mouthed mewling is exactly what I'm talking about.
This isn't censorship. After all, freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences, now does it, sweaty? Being the better man and being principled works when your political opponents don't shank you when you do so. That's fucking over. There's no spark of soul in their eyes, and now everyone knows it.
Charlie Kirk Would Not Have Wanted This
Probably wasn’t keen on the idea of being shot dead by a lunatic.
Probably not.
But the reason he endured the risk of being shot dead by (what I hope was) a lunatic was so that cancellation would stop being a thing. Rather an ugly irony that because one lunatic killed him, 50 million people who think they are his fans are doing their damndest to destroy his life’s work.
No, he risked it because he believed dialogue was important AND possible. If you know nothing of the man, stop pretending you do.
He was proven incorrect. Dialogue is not possible. They WILL murder you if they dislike your speech and their side will joyously applaud it.
Things changed. We recognize the change and will adapt.
Ridiculous wishcasting.
Ridiculous wishcasting
The Gracchi didn't want to do anything other than ensure that Roman war vets got the land they were promised for spreading the glory of the Republic. That they wouldn't have wanted their deaths to eventually lead to the end of that Republic is immaterial to the fact that it happened.
I don’t want these demons educating our young people. Neither do most sane people
Was it Cancel Culture when county clerk Kim Davis was jailed and lost reelection for failing to issue gay marriage licenses? Or was it a consequence of her own actions?
Well, that is justifiable, obviously. She did not do something minor like murder somebody.
Hey Reason, does private companies sound familiar to you?
Dicked magazine says that is (D)ifferent because their daddy Biden (D)emanded it but it can’t happen organically by employers not wanting to retain toxic employees unless congress first allows it.
Charlie Kirk wouldn’t have wanted this
Of course he would have. He was a committed culture war douchebag who laughed at violence committed by the political Right.
Good riddance… I’m glad he’s dead.
Why?
Why does that make you glad?
Because he was an insufferable dick and, as with certain people, the world is better off without them.
What did he ever say or do that made you think that of him?
Are his wife and children better off without him?
You're also an insufferable dick yet I don't want to assassinate you. However, I do hope you shit your pants at an inconvenient time.
Always asking people to emulate your hero Biden.
Just make sure you are using a VPN and an alias. Also, if you are identified and accused claim identity theft. If you have an adverse outcome make sure to deny everything and follow up with a defamation lawsuit.
If you believe so strenuously in what you're saying, why would you hide behind a VPN and an alias? Are your beliefs so fragile and fleeting and insincere that you're afraid to take a bullet to the neck for them, like Kirk did?
And leave my cushy 6-figure job with little responsibility in jeopardy from the likes of you? No thanks!
So, yes? They are that fragile and fleeting and insincere?
Do you care more about your money than you do your beliefs? Or perhaps they're one in the same. Do you worship at the altar of coin, Sandra?
And do you not realize how tiny it makes you, to realize that for all the joys of your "cushy 6-figure job with little responsibility" that you openly admit that you're terrified of little 'ol me?
Does none of this tell you anything about how broken your grasp on things is?
While it is commonplace for politicians and media figures to warn of violent political rhetoric leading to more actual violence, it remains the case that ideologically-motivated killings of national figures are blessedly rare.
Why limit it to national figures? Was it that important to not mention something that happened just three months ago?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/2-minnesota-lawmakers-shot-targeted-incident-officials/story?id=122840751
It was very much national news, so this seems like a deliberate omission.
The targeted attacks on members of Congress such as Reps. Gabby Giffords (D–Ariz.) and Steve Scalise (R–La.), as well as the attempted assassinations of presidents Donald Trump, Ronald Reagan, and Gerald Ford, are memorable because this type of violence doesn't happen very often.
Maybe the goal is to keep that event from being "memorable".
Except Giffords was a random nutbar who had no political axe to grind while Scalise was a Bernie Bro Democrat trying to kill as many Republicans as possible.
Not the same thing.
Seems that the list provided is majority Republican. Weird.
Jared did have an axe to grind. He was a Democrat who thought Giffords was ignoring him. Yes he had mental issues, but that was the heart of his focus on her.
The idiot again pushes 2 incidents where it wasn't right wing targeting of democrats even after he has been laughed at before.
Have to say, having come of age in the 60s and 70s, it's surprising to learn that political assassination is blessedly rare. Then I remembered that history began on Y2K. Or something. I've recently heard Charlie Kirk described as a civil rights leader, a martyr and compared to MLK Jr. Took a minute to get my brain around that but I'm starting to see that as an apt description. This guy was not a politician and had no ability to use the power of the state to do anything. All he had was a voice reminiscent of MLK and Ghandi preaching non violent resistance and dialogue. I think that's why I keep hearing that it feels different this time. History is packed with private actors that were able to move the cultural and political needle in ways that no one expected at time. Is Charlie Kirk that guy this time around? We shall see.
Political violence of the 60s is venerated now. See Obama mentor from weather underground or professor Angela Davis.
So many violent actors of the 60s are now tenured professors.