Even If Trump's Birthday Letter to Jeffrey Epstein Is 'Fake,' How Is It Defamatory?
The president claims The Wall Street Journal inflicted "billions of dollars" in reputational damage by confirming a well-established relationship.

Two months ago, President Donald Trump sued The Wall Street Journal for defamation after the newspaper reported that he had contributed to a 2003 collection of messages marking the 50th birthday of financier Jeffrey Epstein, who was later charged with sex trafficking involving underage girls. Trump called that report a "scam" and a "fake story," and his defamation complaint implied that the birthday letter attributed to him did not exist.
The Journal article "does not attach the purported letter [and] does not identify the purported drawing," says the complaint, which Trump filed in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida on July 18. "Tellingly, the Article does not explain whether Defendants have obtained a copy of the letter, have seen it, have had it described to them, or any other circumstances that would otherwise lend credibility to the Article. That is because the supposed letter is a fake and the Defendants knew it when they chose to deliberately defame President Trump."
On Monday, the House Oversight Committee released a copy of that "fake" letter, along with a redacted version of the three-volume album that included it, which the committee obtained from Epstein's estate via subpoena. Trump still insists he did not write the letter or sketch the outline of a nude woman that surrounds it. But whether or not that's true, his lawsuit faces another hurdle that may be hard to overcome: Trump has to show that the Journal's report was not just false but also defamatory, meaning it damaged his reputation.
Trump's complaint avers that the story "resulted in overwhelming financial and reputational damages" that are "expected to be in the billions of dollars." But it never explains how.
Trump acknowledges that he was friendly with Epstein, who killed himself in prison while facing federal sex trafficking charges in 2019, for at least 15 years, ending with a falling-out in 2004 or so. That relationship is reflected in Trump's trips on Epstein's private jet and chummy photos of the two at various social events.
"I've known Jeff for 15 years," Trump told New York magazine in 2002. Trump described Epstein as a "terrific guy" who was "a lot of fun to be with," adding: "It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it—Jeffrey enjoys his social life."
In this context, it would not be at all surprising if Trump participated in the birthday album, which also featured contributions from other celebrities, including former President Bill Clinton, billionaire Leslie Wexner, and Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz, who represented Epstein after his first arrest in 2006. Joining those well-wishers does not imply anything more scandalous than the well-established fact that Trump was friends with a man who would later be accused of sex crimes. By itself, it does not suggest that Trump knew about Epstein's illegal conduct, let alone that he condoned it or participated in it, all of which he has always denied.
Nor does the text of the letter—an imagined conversation between "Donald" and "Jeffrey" on the theme that "there must be more to life than having everything"—implicate Trump in anything more untoward than the vanity reflected in his description of the pair as wise "enigmas" who "never age." And the "bawdy" drawing described by the Journal, including "a pair of small arcs denot[ing] the woman's breasts" and a first-name signature "mimicking pubic hair," seems mild compared to, say, Trump's recorded comments about grabbing women "by the pussy."
Trump's lawsuit faults the Journal for attempting to "inextricably link President Trump to Epstein," an "utterly disgraced" individual. But Trump's conduct and comments had already established that link. "Is it defamatory that one millionaire sent a birthday card to another in 2003 before Epstein was discovered?" media attorney Damon Dunn wondered in an interview with Business Insider after Trump filed his complaint.
It's a good question. Trump's complaint asserts that the Journal's statements about him are "defamatory per se" because they "tend to harm" his reputation or "deter third persons from associating or dealing with him." But the lawsuit does not explain why the birthday letter falls into one of the categories of statements traditionally recognized as inherently damaging, such as claims that the plaintiff committed a serious crime, engaged in sexual misconduct, or behaved in a way incompatible with his profession.
All of this is beside the point, of course, if Trump did in fact write the letter. To support the assertion that he did not, Taylor Budowich, Trump's deputy chief of staff for communications, posted recent examples of the president's signature on X. It is "time for [News Corporation, which owns the Journal] to open that checkbook," Budowich wrote. "It's not his signature. DEFAMATION!"
The New York Times notes that "one distinct difference between the signatures on Mr. Budowich's posts and the Epstein birthday card is that the birthday card has only a signed first name for Mr. Trump, something he has typically reserved for personal notes." But the Times cites examples of Trump's first-name signature in correspondence with Rudy Giuliani and other New York City officials written from 1987 to 2001, and they bear a strong resemblance to the signature in the Epstein birthday album.
"As I have said all along, it's very clear President Trump did not draw this picture, and he did not sign it," White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt said in an X post on Monday. Jurors might reasonably disagree. In any case, they might be skeptical of the claim that the Journal inflicted billions of dollars in reputational damage by confirming a relationship that was already widely known. Contrary to what Budowich seems to think, casting doubt on the authenticity of the signature is not enough to establish "DEFAMATION!"
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So Chumby leads with stupidity and the regular mental midgets follow with admiration.
Followed by a TDS-addled lying pile of slimy shit.
Psycho genocidal Zionist ball sac slurper, Chubby, and Mother’s abortion should go chug some more turds.
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You’re the rapist, keep crying bitch.
You’re not original at all. Only person you make cry is your boyfriend when you crawl up on his back and make his knees crumble. Chug down another turd, ya genocidal Zionist ball sac slurper.
Needz moar gaslighting, bitch.
Stop sockpuppeting, Sarckles.
So, "fake but accurate"?
I think they used to call that 'Truthy'.
Once upon a time here at Reason these folks weren’t so moronic. I think they moved from beneficial psychedelics to mood and pain management medications.
And then you and the rest of the TDS-addled lying piles of lefty shit showed up.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
^ This
Sevo is always eloquent and manages to sum up the feelings of the rest of the commentariat.
Danke.
I try to do my best to respond appropriately, as those who comment intelligently should know.
And as TDS-addled lying piles of lefty shit should also know.
In reality, your both just a couple of assholes. At least you have each other.
“Who cares if they fabricated a story?”
Flakey Jakey achey breaky shakey makey fakey.
No evidence it's fake. The signature seems to match. Cultists just can't handle the cognitive dissonance that it's their guy who's the pedo deep statist.
Poor shrike.
Demanding that others prove negatives is one of the Trump cult's favorite fallacies. Prove the election wasn't stolen! Prove the evidence isn't fake! Show me evidence that proves a negative! Whatever you say I won't accept! Heads I win, tails you lose!
You've been given the literal evidence of all the issues. You just dismiss it. Even when we point out to you states went after people trying to find the evidence you demand with felonies, you persist.
But that is (D)ifferent. Experts say that studies show that everybody knows this.
It is known.
What's more likely, pedo man wrote a bday card to his bestie or Dems went back in time 22 years and fabricated it?
What's more likely, a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit making up shit, or reality?
Fuck off and die, asswipe
"We got him this time!" failure #625
Once you get to 700, you get a free soda with your purchase.
He’ll settle for a Bud Light.
If the letter is fake, how is it not a guilt by association McCarthyism?
If it is a relatively innocent evidence of a well known social relationship, then how is it newsworthy?
Agsin, we are diving into standards of journalistic professionalism or, rather, the lack of the same.
“journalistic professionalism”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Good one.
The pedo worshipping cult will just deny everything and pretend their guy doesn't like them a little too young.
Shrike’s fan club of zero
I find it fascinating that the Democrst supporters are pushing this when Bill Clinton was far more implicated in Epstein's more recent activities.
Also far more implicated in this book. A hand written letter obviously from him.
And they were all silent as a mouse about Epstein while Biden was in charge. Weird.
I know it. How crazy is it that they were silent when there wasn't new news and are making a fuss now that there is? Makes no sense. No sense at all.
Poor sarc. Nothing makes sense to him.
New news? What new news? They had all the same evidence since 2019 and it was a nothing burger then but now it's not?
My understanding is that the evidence wasn't released until recently, thus making it new news. Maybe I have incorrect information.
"Maybe I have incorrect information."
Well whatever you do, don't let that stop you from showing your ass.
"Maybe I have incorrect information"
That "maybe" is doing a lot of heavy lifting. From 'Trump's a Russian agent' to 'Israel is Committing Genocide' I'd be hard pressed to think of a time when Sarckles had correct information.
That "maybe" is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
Much like Drunkles’ liver.
It IS a nothing burger, which is why Trump isn't being very bright by denying it.
You leave out the main reason this continues to be an issue is Trump himself lying about it and suing the Wall Street Journal over it - the point of the article is that Trump proving "Defamation" against WSJ is gonna be mighty difficult (helping you out since you didn't read it).
He should have just admitted it was him from the beginning - like many have said it doesn't prove anything nefarious or illegal. But the orange man does enjoy making life more difficult for himself.
Now we hear from "Dumber Than a Bag of Rocks".
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
People should just lie when it’s convenient.
Or admit to things they didn’t do.
Sarc wouldn’t have it any other way. Other than his daughter, the victim, nobody quite knows what happened that day CPS was called on him.
Yeah, we just heard about this interesting Epstein character 8 months ago.
Hey sarc, did you hear that there’s a conspiracy theory that he didn’t even kill himself? Crazy, right?
I know right. MSM stopped writing fake stories that you 100% didn't push for 4 years.
I know it. So weird that they're not going after someone in power, and instead are going after the president. They should prioritize ex-presidents and leave Trump alone.
Need the number of trump vs Biden articles in the 4 prior years again dumdum?
A curious statement from The Roundup today.
one submission by Bill Clinton lauding Epstein's "childlike curiosity"
LOL, who's the Democrat supporter? If Willie stuck his big willie in a 16 year old then fuck him too.
So to TDS-addled slimy piles of lefty shit, it's OK if the boss gets a BJ from a slightly older secretary so long as the boss is a D?
Just want to make sure your sleazy partisan ethics are clear for everyone to see, asswipe.
Shrike, you posted links to child porn here.
Even If Trump's Birthday Letter to Jeffrey Epstein Is 'Fake,' How Is It Defamatory?
but it does seem likely that all his buddies knew he was a lecherous mofo and found it pretty funny, which is not a good look if you're the sitting president of the United States of America. - Liz Wolfe
Whether I agree with her or not, it's defamatory specifically to the point that agreeing with her makes it moreso.
Dumbfuck.
Reminder.
Sullum supported the 1.5B judgement against Alex Jones despite no finding of harm for the parents.
He did not ask this question then.
If it isn’t defamatory, why are we talking about it?
Sullum means in regards to trump threatening to sue newscorp for defamation.
They already did file. Murdoch laughed it off at the time because he knew there were receipts. I am guessing two things: a) Maxwell already took credit for putting the collection together and noted she had help so very possible that 'help' [believed to be girls Epstein molested] tipped the journalists off or potentially b) the lawyers for the estate of Jeffrey Epstein knew of its existence and tipped off the journalists...which in turn led to the house committee subpoena.
Either way Murdoch was never worried because he knew he had the receipts. And now the whole world has them.
Even if Trump paid a secretary or his 90s version of Michael Cohen to write the stupid letter so he can truthfully say "I didn't write it" it doensn't mean the WSJ was acting with malice by claiming it existed. They were very careful with how they worded the story if you recall. "A letter attributed to Donald Trump." "Purports to have his signature" etc..etc...
“People familiar with the matter”
"sources say"
Asswipe posting as windycityattorney objects!
I am a well known Trump hater and I see nothing wrong with this card. It is not a scandal nor even offensive. When it was first brought up Trump should have said "Yes it is true, so what?"
Would he say that if it wasn’t his?
It is far more likely that Trump told one of his minion to create the card, Trump signed it, and forgot about it.
Cite?
Far more likely MG proves (once again)..
To.
Be.
Full
Of.
Shit.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
If it turns out it is real, that would be the best response.
The question being, is it real?
I'd say it's not defamatory, because look at the hips on that drawing! That's no underage aspirng model.
JS:dr.
These fake "I can't understand the reality in front of me" articles are tedious and pointless.
I know for a fact that Jacob Sullum hangs out with prostitutes.
Jacob Sullum paid Russian hookers to pee on a bed that Obama slept in... sources say.
Somebody claimed he sucks goat's dicks.
I know for a fact that you never condemned raping fetuses. That means you support raping fetuses. Don't try to backpedal. The truth is out.
Jacob, you ignorant slut - if it is fake, based on the content, it's meant to be defamatory. Why the fuck else would someone forge this except to suggest that Trump was in cahoots with Epstein?
The TDS-addled slimy pile of lying lefty shit Sullum is not prepared to answer your question, since TDS-addled lying piles of lefty shit are NEVER prepared to support lies posted by TDS-addled lying piles of lefty shit like the TDS-addled lying piles of lefty shit Sullum.
Sullum, have you the ability to experience embarrassment? Or are you simply a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit who deserves to be ignored the instant your name is referenced?
"Jacob Sullum" search suggests you'd better be working on your retirement; nothing there says other than "TDS-addled "editor" at what used to be a libertarian magazine.
Will you allow me to tell you that I am not alone in identifying you (correctly) as a TDS-addled slimy pile of lefty shit?
Do you understand that you are now correctly identified as a TDS-addled slimy pile of lefty shit?
The asswipe known as Sullum, are your capable of answering?
One has to be a special kind of stupid to believe that the DOJ knew of this through the Biden years and sat on it. "Fake" is far more likely, especially given the people involved.
Moreover, right-of-center figures have been hit with a number of massive defamation penalties lately, including $83M against Trump for "defaming" E Jean Carroll by calling her allegations false. That one was just upheld by a NY court, so it seems particularly relevant to this reciprocal case.
Considering the track record of honesty (rather lack of honesty) of the corporate media and their propensity of playing dirty tricks, I need to weigh this towards Trump.
Even though I don't like Trump, and have never voted for him, he is much more authentic and honest than the corporate media.
The corporate media should have their feet held to the fire when they play their dirty tricks.
Fake or not why is there only Trump/Epstein info coming out when we know Clinton was actually on the island and apparently a lot of other people were there as well. Odd that only one person is being outed, this is what makes it harder to believe it is real
Saying that Trump is the only one outed is wrong. Maybe the focus is on him because he's the sitting presiden, is suing journalists l, and calling it fake? Did Bill Clinton do that too?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/inside-epsteins-infamous-birthday-book-clintons-note-poolside-candids-bizarre-animal-pics
The Sullum idiocy continues. Leaving aside for the moment the question of why Reason is devoting column space to a private law suit which in no way involves public policy, the premise of the article -- that Trump's defamation lawsuit is somehow defective because it doesn't allege proof of how his reputation was damaged by the letter -- is completely ill informed. Lawsuits are initiated by civil complaints whose purpose is only to inform the defendant of the nature of the legal claim not to prove it. The proof stage comes at trial after discovery is conducted to gather information in support of the claim. Any first year lawyer knows this basic fact. Doesn't Reason vet their articles with their own lawyers before wasting reader time by publishing?