The 5th Circuit Rejects Trump's Invocation of the Alien Enemies Act
The appeals court blocked the removal of alleged Venezuelan gang members under that law "because we find no invasion or predatory incursion."

Several federal judges have rejected President Donald Trump's attempt to summarily deport alleged Venezuelan gang members as "alien enemies." On Tuesday night, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit joined them in concluding that Trump's invocation of the Alien Enemies Act (AEA) is not supported by that 1798 law's text or history.
In a March 15 proclamation, Trump averred that the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua "is perpetrating, attempting, and threatening an invasion or predatory incursion against the territory of the United States" by engaging in "mass illegal migration" and committing "brutal crimes, including murders, kidnappings, extortions, and human, drug, and weapons trafficking." He said alleged members of that gang therefore are subject to peremptory removal under the AEA as "natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects" of a "hostile nation."
The AEA applies when there is a "declared war" with "any foreign nation or government" or when "any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government." Prior to Trump's proclamation, the law had been invoked just three times, always in the context of declared wars—a condition that the government concedes does not exist in this case. The proclamation's validity therefore hinges on the question of whether Trump's understanding of "invasion of predatory incursion" is consistent with the terms of the statute as they were understood when it was enacted.
The 5th Circuit case, W.M.M. v. Trump, involves three AEA detainees in Texas whom the government has identified as Tren de Aragua members—mistakenly, according to the petitioners. Two of them unsuccessfully sought a temporary restraining order from a federal judge and then appealed that denial to the 5th Circuit, which concluded that the appeal was premature in light of the government's assurance that it "will not remove the petitioners during this litigation." After evidence cast doubt on the reliability of that assurance, the Supreme Court intervened, vacating the 5th Circuit's ruling and instructing the appeals court to address two issues: Does the AEA authorize the detainees' removal, and what sort of notice does due process require for people threatened with deportation under that law?
This time around, a divided 5th Circuit panel issued a preliminary injunction against the plaintiffs' removal "because we find no invasion or predatory incursion." To interpret those terms, Judge Leslie H. Southwick, a George W. Bush appointee, considers the historical context of the AEA, which Congress enacted amid concerns that war with France was imminent.
"Our focus is on a statute passed by the United States Congress in anticipation of an armed conflict with another country," Southwick writes in an opinion joined by Judge Irma Carrillo Ramirez, a Joe Biden appointee. "The formality of the occasion requires
rejecting interpretations that wander far from that common understanding of an 'invasion.'"
Southwick notes the Constitution's references to invasion and James Madison's understanding of that term as used in the AEA. "Invasion is an operation of war," Madison said. "To protect against invasion is an exercise of the power of war. A power therefore not incident to war, cannot be incident to a particular modification of war."
The evidence indicates that the AEA's definition of invasion is "consistent with the use in the Constitution," meaning it is "a term about war in the traditional sense and requires military action by a foreign nation," Southwick writes. "We define an invasion for purposes of the AEA as an act of war involving the entry into this country by a military force of or at least directed by another country or nation, with a hostile intent." He says the petitioners therefore "are likely to succeed in demonstrating that the Proclamation cannot be supported" by "the existence of a declared war or an invasion."
What about a "predatory incursion"? "Based on the dictionary definitions and neighboring statutory text," Southwick says, "a 'predatory incursion,' as used in the AEA, definitely applies to an unauthorized entrance by units of another nation's military to commit acts that are destructive to the interests of the United States, such as victimizing its people or property, for the benefit of a foreign power or its agents without the necessary objective of a long-term occupation or control of American territory."
Could something less than that qualify as a "predatory incursion"? Southwick considers various examples of contemporaneous usage and concludes that references to that phrase "all involved a military force of some meaningful size, organized in a manner related to the kind of enemy involved, whether an Indian tribe, a distant foreign government [that] used its own forces or privateers, or an adjacent country using its own troops."
Southwick also notes that the now-defunct Alien Friends Act, which Congress approved along with the AEA, had a broader scope, authorizing "forced removal from the United States based solely on the perceived danger to this country by a specific alien." That law did not hinge on "the actions of the alien's home nation or government, though the existence of hostile acts would not block use of the Alien Friends Act against a specific, dangerous alien." The AEA, by contrast, "demands specific categories of hostility by another nation or government before acting against an individual alien, but the individual need not exhibit personal hostility to this country." It therefore applies only when the president "identifies a predatory incursion by forces of a foreign nation or government."
Trump's proclamation alleged that Tren de Aragua "has engaged in and continues to engage in mass illegal migration to the United States to further its objectives of harming United States citizens, undermining public safety, and supporting the Maduro regime's goal of destabilizing democratic nations in the Americas, including the United States." But "a country's encouraging its residents and citizens to enter this country illegally is not the modern-day equivalent of sending an armed, organized force to occupy, to disrupt, or to otherwise harm the United States," Southwick says. "There is no finding that this mass immigration was an armed, organized force or forces. It is an action that would have been possible when the AEA was written, and the AEA would not have covered it. The AEA does not apply today either."
Although "we accept each of the factual findings in the Proclamation," Southwick writes, that does not mean the appeals court is bound to accept "the labels applied to those findings." Recognizing "our obligation to interpret the AEA," he says, "we conclude that the findings do not support that an invasion or a predatory incursion has occurred. We therefore conclude that petitioners are likely to prove that the AEA was improperly invoked."
Southwick also addresses the question of whether Trump identified a "foreign nation or government" whose "natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects" are covered by the AEA. "It does appear that the AEA contemplates that a foreign country will be designated in a proclamation," he says. But he adds that "the different wording of the Proclamation to designate [Tren de Aragua] does not by itself invalidate use of the AEA," given Trump's claim that the Venezuelan government is "directing" the gang's actions.
"Had we determined [that Tren de Aragua] was engaged in either an invasion or a predatory incursion, the findings in the Proclamation that such actions were being directed at least in part by the foreign Maduro regime would satisfy the requirement that those actions be by a government or nation," Southwick writes. "We held instead that [Tren de Aragua] was not the kind of organized force or engaged in the kind of actions necessary to constitute an invasion or predatory incursion. Because of our conclusion that the Proclamation does not identify actions by the Maduro regime in control of Venezuela that constitute one of the predicate acts for invoking the AEA, Petitioners are likely to succeed on the merits of their claims."
Dissenting Judge Andrew Oldham, a Trump appointee, argues that the courts have no business reviewing the president's determination that an "invasion or predatory incursion" is occurring. "From the dawn of our Nation until President Trump took office a second time," Oldham says, "courts have never second-guessed the President's invocation of that Act. Not once. The reason is simple: Determining whether the AEA's preconditions are satisfied—whether there is a declared war, or 'any invasion or predatory incursion' being 'perpetrated, attempted, or threatened,' depends upon 'matters of political judgment for which judges have neither technical competence nor official responsibility.'"
Oldham, in other words, accepts Trump's position that such judgments are not subject to judicial review. But in the 1948 case Ludecke v. Watkins, the Supreme Court acknowledged that the courts, in assessing challenges by AEA detainees, do have a role in addressing "questions of interpretation and constitutionality."
The Court reiterated that point last April in Trump v. J.G.G., which held that AEA detainees have a due process right to contest their designation as "alien enemies." Although the justices did not address the legality of Trump's proclamation, they noted that "an individual subject to detention and removal under that statute is entitled to 'judicial review' as to 'questions of interpretation and constitutionality' of the Act.'" In Ludecke, Southwick notes, "there was no suggestion that 'interpretation' was a pointless endeavor, that a court could make its interpretation for the interest of legal scholars but was prohibited from applying that interpretation to the facts before it."
Furthermore, the Court in Ludecke said "the additional question as to whether the person restrained is in fact an alien enemy fourteen years of age or older may also be reviewed by the courts." On its face, that suggests a role in verifying not only the detainee's age but also his status as an "alien enemy."
The 5th Circuit is one of the country's most conservative appeals courts, Southwick was nominated by a Republican president, and his reasoning, which aims to understand the words used in the AEA "consistent with their 'ordinary meaning…at the time Congress enacted the statute,'" jibes with the approach embraced by the Supreme Court's conservative majority. His analysis echoes the assessment of U.S. District Judge Fernando Rodriguez Jr., a Trump appointee who likewise rejected the president's novel definition of "alien enemies."
None of this necessarily means the Supreme Court will agree with Southwick's interpretation of the AEA. But it does discredit any attempt to dismiss the decision as a product of partisan bias or "Radical Left" thinking, as Trump reflexively does when courts rule against him.
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Sullum you are sub human trash. Tda already took over a building in Colorado. How many would it take before you say they are a problem? For me it's more than 0. Fuck you
No one that I know of disputes that TdA are bad dudes. The claim is these guys in particular are bad dudes, which these guys deny.
Moreover, if Trump & Co. claims it, then is ot from the mouth of God? How the hell did you guys get so trusting of any unverified claims of the government? When did unlimited power become a good thing?
Yeap. No criminal has ever pleaded their own innocence said the retard.
They are also still fucking illegals which means they can be deported by thr INA dumdum.
By the way, this decision argued the declaration was invalid, not that the gang members werent gang members dumdum.
Great legal decision. Hang in there, Sullum. Your critics on this one don't have a clue about why the court is 100 percent right.
Lol. God famn you bleeting lambs.
Did you even read the decisions or the law? Is this a sullum sock?
You said this in my response to someone arguing for something the decision never even said lol.
Idiots of the world love them some JS.
It’s a sock from Sullum, or one of our usual retards.
Move to Venezuela
Haven’t seen this one in a while.
You obviously agree with his points because all you can respond with is namecaling.
I stol reading at the first lie/evil sentence. Sullum makes himself known to be an evil liar by Sentance 2
JS;dr
JS;dr
Fuck the TDS-addled lying pile of shit Sullum with a barb-wire-wrapped broomstick.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Oddly enough this comment would be considered well spoken for MAGAs.
That would be a result of it being exactly appropriate, asswipe.
Tony, you are one of the least intelligent, knowledgeable and eloquent commenters here. So best you learn your pa,ce and shit the fuck up.
Seriously, you’re a joke.
You obviously agree with his points because all you can respond with is profanity.
Another fun ruling from judiciary that rewrites the law.
The majority opinion added 2 parts to the law thst do not exist.
First they argued in regards to a 7 day or 21 day required notice for anyone identified under the law. This notification period does not exist in the law.
By the primary change of the law is the removal of executive determination. The 2 in the majority decided trumps decision was without merit even though they never recieved the merits if the determination.
Executive determination in these cases has long been understood as valid in prior laws, including ruled as valid by SCOTUS.
The judicial dissent in this case directly called this fact out.
For 227 years, every President of every political party has enjoyed the same broad powers to repel threats to our Nation under the Alien Enemies Act (“AEA”). And from the dawn of our Nation until President Trump took office a second time, courts have never second-guessed the President’s invocation of that Act. Not once. The reason is simple: Determining whether the AEA’s preconditions are satisfied—whether there is a declared war, or “any invasion or predatory incursion” being “perpetrated, attempted, or threatened,” 50 U.S.C. § 21—depends upon “matters of political judgment for which judges have neither technical competence nor official responsibility.” Ludecke v. Watkins, 335 U.S. 160, 170 (1948).
...
For President Trump, however, the rules are different. Today the majority holds that President Trump is just an ordinary civil litigant. His declaration of a predatory incursion is not conclusive. Far from it. Rather, President Trump must plead sufficient facts—as if he were some run-of-the-mill plaintiff in a breach-of-contract case—to convince a federal judge that he is entitled to relief.
That contravenes over 200 years of legal precedent. And it transmogrifies the least-dangerous branch into robed crusaders who get to playact as multitudinous Commanders in Chief.
Judge Oldhams dissent is much more firm in both law and precedence.
But JS prefers judicial activism against Trump.
This is likely to be overturned at SCOTUS given precedence.
They are abusing the hell out of that context. That Ludecke v Watkins quote comes from a discussion on whether Justices should consider if Nazi Germany detainees determined to be enemy aliens can still be considered so during the quasi peace after hostilities ended , but the war wasn't officially declared over. That is apples and oranges to Trump inventing, whole-cloth, an "invasion" without Congress by which to persecute illegals.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/335/160/
How is it an abuse? The law clearly states that the determination is by the executive. No where in the law does it allow for judicial determination or requiring the president to prove their determination. Article 3 is not the branch of standing over foreign or military relations.
Because "can / should the Judiciary stop considering an enemy declared by Congress as an enemy before it is official?" is a different question and scenario from "Can the President invent an enemy out of nowhere just because he wants to ? " Adding a quote that says the Judiciary should keep itself out of the first scenario is misleading to the second scenario which is completely different. The crux of the first scenario is interference in established procedure while the crux of the second is the potential overstep of the executive. Checking the overreach/overstep of the Executive is literally a core function of the Judiciary. If Congress had declared war , we wouldn't be having this discussion; it is only because Trump is doing backflips to avoid a Congress vote that this is an issue. He would have to explain why, and I don't think he has a palatable reason for doing so that he is ready to say on record on TV / internet.
Again, you remain wrong on every count.
I will repeat.
The law, cited below, leaves the determination to the executive. Who has the constitutional oversight of foreign relations. Article 3 does not. They do not have the ability or responsibility to make a separate determination.
Youre inventing legal and constitutional construction that does not exist to defend your activist beliefs.
In this decision article 3 has over ruled article 1 (changing the law) as well as article 2 (assuming their power and responsibilities)
Just say you want judicial supremacy.
It’s time to deal with these insurrectionist judges. Bondi should look at the feasibility of prosecuting them.
The problem with this analysis is that the statue explicitly grants the executive the power to determine what constitutes an emergency. The court could find the statute unconstitutional if that were the question before them. Or they could find that Trump's interpretation did not comport with the intent of Congress. Of course either of these challenges would require someone with standing to argue the case. Congress so far has been silent on the issue. What the court cannot do is to substitute their definition of an emergency when the only person with the constitutional authority to make the declaration has already done so. House and Senate are right down the street. If the law is defective they could fix it tomorrow. They have chosen not to do so. The court really has no legitimate role here at all.
For 227 years, every President of every political party has enjoyed the same broad powers to repel threats to our Nation under the Alien Enemies Act (“AEA”). And from the dawn of our Nation until President Trump took office a second time, courts have never second-guessed the President’s invocation of that Act. Not once.
Right. Which says more about Trump than the judiciary.
No, it doesn’t. You just want to obstruct him.
Mike is nothing if not obvious.
Rarely tries to HO2 down his posts.
Did you ever know a person that complains everyone hates them and you're just thinking "Yeah, You're the problem."
I’d agree with you, but that has been the default position for 10 fucking years, even before any policy positions or actions were taken, so it rings more than a little hollow now.
(And that’s not even getting into stuff like The View slobbering all over him before he beat Her Shrillness or people not being able to tell the difference between his policies/rhetoric and Obama’s or Clinton’s.)
Hey DesigNate,
Your points are valid. I think the magnitude of Trump's abuses are different. No previous president tried to claim drug smugglers were a foreign invader. Even when they were first merged with terrorists, this wasn't used to bypass congressional approval.
And then there's the tariffs...
5th Circuit supports rape and murder.
This guy gets it.
Finally a non retarded post.
So sarc, do you now support judicial supremacy and the ability to change laws? Reminder, you've previously claimed congressional supremacy.
Standing up for the rule of law is not the same as supporting criminals that Trump is abusing the against.
They didnt stand up for the rule of law dumdum. They changed the law.
It is to him and his defenders.
So youre for ignoring the actual text of the laws. Got it.
Just say so. Maybe move to Brazil, they have some great judicial supremacy going on there.
>>Judge Leslie H. Southwick, a George W. Bush appointee ... writes in an opinion joined by Judge Irma Carrillo Ramirez, a Joe Biden appointee.
eyeroll that you think the two are different situations ...
Yet another court reminding Trump that he must follow federal law.
If you repeat the same misunderstanding of the ruling a 3rd time does your akita start respecting you? Again, the judges changed the law dumdum.
the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety.
There is no hostile nation or government here.
Lol! Need me to start linking statements from Maduro?
You mean the Federal Law that says he alone gets to decide and proclaim if “any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened” has taken place?
I suppose a Congresscritter, being in a co-equal branch, could try to make the case to the Supreme Court that they haven’t declared war on anyone and present evidence that none of this involves a government, but that would be the proper place to hash this out.
Sorry, circuit courts don’t get to decide if the proclamation has merit since they aren’t coequals to the Executive. They sure as fuck don’t get to decide the timeframe as that is explicitly spelled out in the text of the law.
Trump and his henchmen should keep searching for another - or another dozen - of the more than four thousand federal laws and regulations to use as the weakest possible of excuses to keep doing whatever the hell he wants to do. There is apparently no limit to the number of times he can issue an executive disorder and violate our constitutional rights for several months until the Judiciary finally gets around to slapping it down. Repeat as needed.
Who's constitutional rights have been violated?
Not those of Americans. Not those of people legally in the country.
He refuses to even read the laws or educate himself on precedence or the constitution.
The Constitution applies to everyone, not just the people you like.
It's like watching a drunk autistic retard. The constitution applies as far as the process due, but the INA has been held up by the courts dumdum. So has the AEA. You are arguing for a living document because youre a leftist. The actual constitution means jack shit to you.
As you're an idiot, you might not have considered that under the Trumpisch read of the AEA, citizens and legal residents who have been arrested under AEA won't have the due process needed to establish their legal status.
False conjecture. Lol.
You leftist shits fail with anything. Always arguments from your imaginations to justify your actions.
Like the INA which is also fucking clear?
You realize youre on the activist side of the argument dont you? Upend all laws and precedence because you have hurt feelings and want to feel like a white savior?
Where in the constitution does it allow judges to rewrite laws? Where does it allow for them to supersede article 2 judgements?
Trump and his henchmen should keep searching for another - or another dozen - of the more than four thousand federal laws and regulations to use as the weakest possible of excuses to keep doing whatever the hell he wants to do
I guarantee you this is already being done.
"...Repeat as needed."
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Dunno if that is yet ass needed to get the asswipe to fuck off and die, but I can hope.
OK. That's pretty funny. I didn't know you had a sense of humor, Sevo.
Free lance depravity and violence is, as always, protected by those who feel they will never have to deal with it.
JS;dr
Simple solution: put these gang gentlemen in a minimum security house in the neighborhood of the 5th circuit judges who voted it "no invasion or predatory incursion" and see what they think.
^LOL... Perfect .... Just like the Matha's Vineyard 'change of heart'.
Time to load the buses for a new destination.
Oh great. Now the courts are demanding a "War on Terror" provision just to secure the border?
Of course, they want the invasion
I think the article does not give adequate attention to the dissent and the issue of accountability. The president declares something that the AEA delegates to the president. The president is accountable to the citizens since he/she was elected by them. A judge now disagrees with the president. The judge is not accountable to the citizens and substitutes his/her opinion for the president's. It will be interesting to see what the Supreme Court does with this, but the dissent is a good read.
The dissent was the only thing worth reading.
The Prez and judge are accountable to the law and constitution, not to the people.
Wut?
The president acted in accordance to thr law and constitution
The two judges here did not. They changed the law. They overstepped on 2 other branches.
Act blue doesn't send their best.
BigT looks to have LowT and will gulp the BigD narrative.
Apparently the judge was off-base. But that doesn't mean the Prez is accountable to the people. Else the Prez can do all sorts of stuff that is illegal and/or unconstitutional citing 'the people' as his excuse. We would be a country ruled by men not by law. None of us want that.
This wouldn't be a problem if Democrats didn't open the borders and let in a bunch of criminals (many likely fleeing prosecutions for crimes they committed in their country),
or
if Democrats did their job of arresting illegals (or anyone else) committing crimes and prosecuting them. Being a libertarian, I'm not going to defend illegal immigrants who commit crimes here and believe they should be deported after serving their sentences here.
As I see it Trump is defending my civil right to have a local government that doesn't discriminate against citizens like in Colorado where the Mayor of Aurora and Denver, and the governor tried to claim the gang wasn't going around with weapons extorting people. It took someone's video doorbell video to show the truth. I want protection from the political leaders who are allowing this.
A lot of liars defending Trump here. The decision as to whether to remove an alien under the Alien Enemies Act is not made by the executive branch but by a court.
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/alien-and-sedition-acts#enemies
LOL... Thanks for the link.
"who by the President of the United States, or by order of any court, judge or justice, as aforesaid, shall be required to depart, and to be removed"
"and for such removal the marshal shall have the warrant of the President of the United States, or of the court, judge or justice ordering the same, as the case may be."
I see nothing but "or" in there between President & Judges.
Do you not understand the meaning of "or"?
He’s a Harvard man!
5th Circuit is by far the most right wing Circuit. Even it sees through Trump's illegal actions.
It is hardly a surprise that the cultists think that if Trump wants it, it's Constitutional, nor that they reject without any thought or consideration any and all arguments to the contrary. It is increasingly hard to argue that the cultists aren't fascists, even though this doesn't fit their bloated self-image.
Its hardly a surprise here that the leftists like shrike cant be bothered to read the law and instead accuse others.
Do you find it odd the only people here citing law and opinions are your enemies? Guess citing Maddow doesn't have the same benefit for you shrike.
It would be nice to learn when circuit court judges were assigned the task of determining when the country is being invaded or when a group is attempting an incursion for predatory reasons.
It doesn't seem to be stated in the Constitution.