Does It Matter That Donald Trump Is Confused by Magnets?
Is this another example of Trump's inability to understand why global trade is good for America, or does it suggest something even more serious?

In just a few months since returning to the White House, President Donald Trump has claimed remarkable powers to reshape global trade and has erected some huge barriers to imports into the United States.
Trump has done all of that while repeatedly revealing how little he knows about what he imagines he can design. By now, it is obvious that Trump does not understand what trade deficits are, does not know that Americans bear the cost of his tariffs, and does not comprehend how American manufacturing is dependent on global supply chains.
But what if the problem actually runs deeper than that? What if the man who has been entrusted by the Republican Party to reshape huge swaths of the national economy and the flow of global trade is suffering from the same sort of cognitive decline that marked Joe Biden's time in office?
It's an unsettling question, but one that ought to be pondered in the wake of what happened on Monday in the Oval Office. While hosting South Korean President Lee Jae Myung and taking questions from reporters, Trump went off on a long, nonsensical tangent about magnets and what he apparently believes is a two-decade-long conspiracy orchestrated by the Chinese government.
"They have to give us magnets," Trump began. "If they don't give us magnets, then we have to charge them 200 percent tariff for something, you know?"
Alas, there's the old fallacy at the root of so much of Trump's trade policies. In effect, the president is promising to place higher taxes on Americans if the Chinese government doesn't do what he wants. How that's supposed to work remains unclear as ever.
Aside from that nonsense, however, there is a discernible point here: The trade of rare earth metals, including some that are used to make high-end magnets, is a crucial part of the U.S.-China trade war. In April, China added those items to its export restriction list in response to Trump's threat of higher tariffs on Chinese goods. The inability to import those magnets is a serious problem for American automakers and other industries. It's almost like trade wars have unintended consequences.
After that, things got truly unhinged.
"You know, China intelligently went and they sort of took a monopoly of the world's magnets, and nobody needed magnets until they convinced everybody 20 years ago, 'Let's all do magnets,'" Trump continued.
To be clear, the concept of magnetism is not something that the Chinese invented in the early 2000s. It's also not true that "nobody needed magnets" before then, even though global demand for rare earth metals has increased in the digital age, since they are essential for manufacturing the advanced electronics that power everything from televisions to fighter jets
This ought to illustrate to Trump why launching a trade war with China (and much of the rest of the world) is such a terrible idea. From cocoa beans to bananas to rare earth metals like samarium and yttrium, there are tons of commodities that do not exist in sufficient quantity in the United States to meet consumers' and business' needs. The free market has found ways to solve that imbalance, but Trump's trade policies are making those solutions more expensive and difficult.
But not to worry, Trump explained, because America is now "heavy into the world of magnets now—only from a national security standpoint."
"But we have a much more powerful thing, and that's tariffs," he added. "We're going to have a lot of magnets in a pretty short period of time."
Well, that's a relief, I guess? It sounds like he's got it all under control, though anyone listening to those remarks would understandably wonder what "it" is.
Incredibly, this isn't even the craziest thing Trump has ever said on the subject of magnets.
At a campaign rally last year, Trump claimed that "all I know about magnets is this: Give me a glass of water, let me drop it on the magnets, that's the end of the magnets."
Magnets, to be clear, work just fine when they are wet. They also work underwater. (In fairness, Trump is not the first prominent figure in American culture to wonder about these things.)
Of course, Trump has never been someone who speaks with particular clarity. His unscripted remarks are often meandering, unfocused, and riddled with inaccuracies and strange non sequiturs. He believes himself to be an expert in everything from global macroeconomics to the hydraulic systems on naval ships.
Even by those standards, however, Monday's business with the magnets stands out.
Indeed, if you walked past someone in the street who was repeating Trump's words verbatim, you'd likely keep a healthy distance and possibly wonder what substance they'd most recently been using. If an elderly loved one—a parent or a grandparent, maybe—said the same things privately that Trump said in front of television cameras on Monday, you'd probably wonder if something was wrong. Maybe you'd encourage them to see a doctor.
But this isn't a bum in the park or your grandfather that we're talking about. This is the person who currently wields more power than any other human being on the planet, and who is using that power in novel and expansive ways to reshape the economy. Whatever the appropriate response might be in those other situations, shouldn't it be significantly elevated here?
I am not saying that Trump is a moron, or senile, or in a state of mental decline. But we ought to ponder with some seriousness the same question that Reason's Jacob Sullum asked a few months ago during a similarly bizarre incident: If Trump were any of those things, how would we know?
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EB;dr
Fucking pathetic LOSERS have nothing better to do with their time other than to BRAG about being lazy and ignorant!
Shitsy;dr
Sqrlsy is a “didn’t read” due to the feces muncher having been muted.
Typical Trumpaloo Dumpaloo BRAGGING about ignorance and laziness... Twat an udder slurprise!
I refute twat shit says, by SNOT reading shit!
FUCKING BRILLIANT, genius!!!
Meanwhile, another trannie shoots up another religious school, killing two little kids.
Has that come out [haven't checked updates for a few minutes now]?
Yes. Someone got all the videos off YouTube before they were scrubbed.
https://x.com/joshwalkos/status/1960740372184805819?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA
What a fucking faggot. Just go down to the Somali district and have one of the bulbheads buttfuck you if you're really that upset about shit, troon.
One of the magazines has “Kill Donald Trump” written on it.
It's very sarcasmic(and Reason)-style stochastic idiocy where 90% of what he says is "Fuck Exxon(?). Fuck capitalism. Fuck America. Fuck the peaceful people around me. Fuck my life. Fuck Donald Trump.", 9% is "I'm a registered Republican! I met Brandon Herrera once!", and 1% is "Skibidi whiz! Yippee! Nothing means anything! You can't infer my lived experiences from anything!"
Sorry shitstain, you and your transparent idiocy are not worth remembering beyond your execution.
Hard to figure what this loon was about, other than being a deranged psychopath. A very miserable, deranged psycho.
True but he was also a transgender. Obviously every transgender person is not a mass killer but it's becoming increasingly obvious that transgenders are mentally ill and it can be an indicator of a propensity to violence. Most of the crazy people you see on the street are schizophrenic. They live in an alternate reality but don't have the mental wherewithal to plan and execute a mass killing. This guy at age 23 grew up in a world wherein gender identity, which is for most people is biological reality, is now optional. What else is optional in his mind? Thou shalt not kill? What affect does "gender affirming care" have on an individual slipping into psychosis? I don't know the answers to these questions but I think it's time to have that conversation, something the left refuses to do.
Robin, formerly "Robert Paul," Westman, and indeed a "trans activist."
We need common sense faggot control
Nobody needs a high capacity bundle of sticks.
MSNBC blamed covid and video games.
Would never have happened if China had given us the magnets!
EB and JS to blame Trump tariffs.
Did anyone ever answer Insane Clown Posse's question in Miracles, anyway?
Fucking magnets! How do they work?
Magic!
Glad I'm not the only one who thought of this.
Richard Feynman famously begged off in a BBC interview. It's not that scientists lie, per se; it's just that they can't reduce a phenomenon like magnetism to something simpler in terms of assumptions that you'll get to simply. Sure, you can put it in terms of electrostatics (Fucking static electricity, how does that work?), the Lorentz transformation (Fucking special relativity, how does that work?), the orbital structure of atoms (ditto), the Pauli exclusion principle (yeah, yeah), and a few other details I've probably forgotten, but at the end of all that, is it any more "explained"?
No idea how a magnet works, I only know about a coil of wire carrying current
"I am not saying that Trump is a moron, or senile, or in a state of mental decline."
Must be some other kind of rant then.
Given that it’s Boehm, it’s reluctantly and strategically some other kind of rant.
To be fair, Trump is fucking old as shit, and it's the main reason I thought he shouldn't have run in 2024. Even if he really is dumb enough to try for a third term and isn't trolling, there's no way in hell someone that old should be in the President's chair. I don't give a shit how much energy he has, put the Boomers out to pasture so Gen-X can try and hold things together long enough for the Millennials to fuck up whatever remains.
He is certainly funnier than the previous guy. And less war starty. I rate that a plus
Yup. And he has a news conference pretty much every day.
Obama being the best Gen X had to offer to date isn't exactly a ringing endorsement for the generation.
Obama was born in 1961. He’s a late Boomer as GenX started being born in 1964-65.
Today's Reeeeeason rant is brought to you by the word apophasis.
"word salad" is far more polite than "verbal diarrhea"
"But we have a much more powerful thing, and that's tariffs,"
Magnetism is an emergent property of electron spin.
Tariffs are an emergent property of right wing spin.
Funny. Though I would hardly call the current administration "right wing". It's got more in common with left wing authoritarianism than with what would traditionally be called the right wing.
I accept your criticism.
You and White Mike should hook up. Then you can discuss your ridiculous viewpoints in person, and save the rest of us from the clutter in the comment section.
Take Molly and Jeffy with you!
How about you just don't read and especially don't respond to our comments?
They could rent a HALF MILLION DOLLAR house. And have a sausage fest of progressive chaff-redirecting.
LOL, GREAT one!!! Thread winner today!
Sarc is close to it... Best would be "Government Almighty spin". More generic...
Government Almighty taxes can solve ALL problems!!! Dear Orange Leader (Bleeder of the peons) TOLD us so!
Thanks SQRLSY!
"Magnetism is an emergent property of electron spin."
Ridiculous oversimplification and technically inaccurate. 'Emergent property' is a fancy way of saying "we don't know". Stop using AI for answers.
"Tariffs are an emergent property of right wing spin."
We've always had tariffs you gasbag. You know that.
I dont think Mike actually does know that.
He still thinks large managed trade bulls full of tariffs, regulatory criteria, caps, etc is free trade.
The life of the party has arrived in a big stink.
It was a joke you "get off my lawn" miserable crank.
I love when someone gets all condescending while simultaneously being completely wrong. Maybe you should start using AI.
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Emergent sociobiologically-programmed (AKA "evolutionary psychology"-programmed) properties of animal and then human behaviors include tribalism and do-gooder derogation. This is documented at http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ .
Then they crucified Jesus, 'cause Jesus made them look bad! ALSO because Jesus made them look bad FOR THEIR STUPID, HIDE-BOUND TRIBALISM! "The parable of the Good Samaritan" was VERY pointed, because the Samaritans were of the WRONG tribe, in the eyes of "Good Jews" of the day.
Instead of KILLING Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr., etc., we’d be better off VOTING for these kinds of people! But we will NOT, ’cause they Hurt Our Precious Baby Feelings, by giving tribalism and do-gooder derogation the disrespect that they (and we self-righteous tribalists) SOOO thoroughly deserve!
"We've always had tariffs you gasbag. You know that."
We've always had murder, war, theft, slander, lies, and rape. You know that. That makes ALL of this shit GOOD, RIGHT, and TRUE... When MY Tribe does shit!!!
Trump's obviously very good at getting what he wants.
But I can't think of an actual problem where I would seek his advice. Unless that problem is how do I convince suckers to do what I want.
"...But I can't think of an actual problem where I would seek his advice. Unless that problem is how do I convince suckers to do what I want..."
He's also very good at causing TDS.
If this really is Boehm's equivalent of Biden talking to ghosts and forgetting how to exit a stage....
Well, nuts. Boehm is the one needing the senility test.
"You know, China intelligently went and they sort of took a monopoly of the world's magnets, and nobody needed magnets until they convinced everybody 20 years ago, 'Let's all do magnets,'" Trump continued.
Uh, this is true. The primary driver of of rare earth magnet production and consumption in the last several years has been renewable energy and the "smart" control systems to operate and maintain them.
To be clear, the concept of magnetism is not something that the Chinese invented in the early 2000s.
It's one thing to think Trump doesn't know. It's quite another to surmise that your audience doesn't.
It's also not true that "nobody needed magnets" before then, even though global demand for rare earth metals has increased in the digital age, since they are essential for manufacturing the advanced electronics that power everything from televisions to fighter jets
The digital or information age began over 50 yrs. ago. The ramping up of magnets in the last 20 yrs. has little to do with digital electronics. Additionally, now you're confused about magnets and rare earth metals and raw materials and the technologies and their uses. (From your own source) We are also 100% reliant on graphite and manganese imports for lithium and battery technology (which is in line with what I indicated with renewables and green energy).
Also historical accuracy aside, once again, I'm going to need someone with an IQ above room temperature to explain to me how sanctions for magnets to produce fighter jets isn't just a pure compromise on libertarian principles in order to shout "FYTW!" in a TDS rage.
And if you can't see the potential threat behind China controlling critical raw materials behind everything power generation, storage, and all electronics up to and including fighter jets you're in far worse shape than Trump and whatever it is you think he doesn't understand about magnets. More critically, per the second point, you're trying to make your readers similarly ill-informed.
Fuck you.
Look man, as long as they make cheap shit, who cares that slavery and treason are fashionable?
2022: BIDENFLATION IS KILLING AMERICA!!1!!
2025: Cheap shit suuuuuuuuuuuucks!!!11!
So... youre pro slavery.
Wait, there's a 20-year Chinese conspiracy to foist magnets onto the world? If it wasn't for those dastardly Chinese, we wouldn't have compasses? What a moron.
Dear Orange Leader (Bleeder of the peons) wants to ENCOMPASS All things and All Powers!!! With His magnetic (if snot magnanimous to anyone other than Himself and Loyal Flunkies) personality!
All Hail Dear Orange Leader (Bleeder of the peons), Who Is Our TRUE North!
"...But what if the problem actually runs deeper than that? What if the man who has been entrusted by the Republican Party to reshape huge swaths of the national economy and the flow of global trade is suffering from the same sort of cognitive decline that marked Joe Biden's time in office?..."
But what if EB is a TDS-addled slimy pile of lying shit, so brain-damaged he imagines this to be true?
Biden paused and you lost your mind. Trump is rambling about magnet conspiracies live to foreign dignitaries and your hypocrisy shows itself.
Biden didn't know a man was in a wheel chair as early as 2016...
And Liberty_Belle still doesn't know the extent of Biden's mental incapacity, but judging by the deranged posts, there's a good chance that Liberty_Belle is an equally fucking brain-dead ignoramus.
You are a fucking steaming pile of TDS-addled lying lefty shit.
Fuck off and die, asswipe.
Question: why is the TDS-addled lefty shit pile always "steaming"? Why not "psychoactive", or "dusty"? Change it up a little, son.
Poor sarcbot. Not a leftist but defends all leftists. Never criticize a leftist around a sarcbot.
Question: Why does a steaming pile of TD-addled shit claim to be smarter than the bag of rocks s/he is?
Sarc lives in a blue bubble. So he may be just slightly smarter than blue sky idiots. Just below liberal retards on reddit. He sets the line for comparison pretty low.
Others brought up the recent “credentialist” trend here. Tony/Molly PhD, charlie PhD, sarcles sockpuppet “smarter than you.”
They post the same boring progressive steaming piles of shit talking points.
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/articles/jen-psaki-makes-ominous-warning-143226621.html Jen Psaki Makes Ominous Warning About Trump: ‘Let That Sink In For A Second’. . .Trump assigns a Trump-Loyalist Erections-Denier to be the enforcer of erections integrity!!! Hello, fascist corruption, hello!!!!
"Team R" just LOVES fascism!!!
Trump has rambled for decades, Biden got lost talking about esoteric things like "life, liberty, and, you know, the thing..."
The decline in Biden over the last 15 years is clearly visible, and after falling UP the stairs to Air Force 1 he started boarding thru the cargo doors.
Remember when Biden used to ride a bike? That stopped when he fell over while STANDING STILL with his bike!
Remember when Biden got lost exiting stages? Shook hands with imaginary people? I do.
When Trump shuffled down a wet inclined ramp in dress shoes I remember lefties screaming "CongitivecDecline!" And insisting he needed to take a cognition test...
The two are simply not comparable.
I am still stunned that Biden getting ALL of his press conference questions written out in advance is not a bigger scandal than it is.
We need to vote for younger guys, like Zohran Mamdani .
He's young but his political philosophy is almost 2 centuries old.
He can probably benchpress more than Sarcles the diminutive, Sqrlsy feces muncher, racist Molly, or the sloppy chemist.
to rare earth metals like samarium and yttrium, there are tons of commodities that do not exist in sufficient quantity in the United States to meet consumers' and business' needs. The free market has found ways to solve that imbalance
No. The free market failed twice - and really three times (the Civil War 'greenback' should have been converted into defense commodities via monetization). As have Austrian school types. The way you bring commodities into the sphere of a particular market is by monetizing those commodities.
The free market failed to monetize any commodity. Private sector bank fraud will always ensure that the gold that collateralizes money deposits within a banking system will always be stolen. So when that system failed in 1929, it stayed failed - with a non-self-correcting depression in commodity prices - until the Strategic Defense/Materials Stockpile Act of 1939. That - not the free market - is what produced a bid for commodities. Which is what put Americans back to work.
That is what created a National Defense Stockpile - and de facto was a partial monetization of those commodities. Even as late as 1977, it was widely understood that maintaining a stockpile to maintain defense production during a war that might last three years was the purpose.
A few years later - in the early/mid 80's - it was the 'free market' (or Wall St) that urged getting rid of that stockpile in order to 'take advantage of high commodity prices' (nothing wrong with that and done easily with monetization) and 'to save money' (ensuring that stockpile would not be replenished).
THAT is one of the consequences of the financialization of the US. Advocated by the moronic ideologues here at Reason and among neoliberals and libertarians. Hey the free market will always supply whatever the US needs because that's what free markets do. On your knees boy!
One more JFucked imbecilic 'econ' rants.
Bono gets it.
She moves in mysterious ways is kinda the same as markets move with invisible hands.
This illustrates why our constitution was set up the way it was, and why Congress created politically independent agencies. To prevent one person from having too much power.
"In effect, the president is promising to place higher taxes on Americans if the Chinese government doesn't do what he wants. How that's supposed to work remains unclear as ever."
Let me explain it to you - there are two kinds of tariffs, ones you want to collect and ones you don't want to collect.
The ones you want to collect are low, with the idea being the importing of the tariffed goods will continue or grow and it will become a source of revenue to fund the government. Before we started collecting Income taxes (about 100 years ago) the IS funded the government off import tariffs and fees. We can call these "Revenue Tariffs."
Then there are the tariffs you don't want to collect, tariffs tgat are set so cartoonishly high that it terminates the importation of the tariffed goods and causes harm to the. Country of origin. An example would be the tariffs Germany had on US autos, effectively preventing U.S. automakers from exporting their cars into Germany. We can call these "Punitive Tariffs."
When Trump talks about a 200% tariff to punish China, he doesn't expect US consumers to ultimately pay that tariff, because he expect the importation of that item will cease.
When Trump talks about a 10-15% reciprocal tariff on imports from a certain country, he expects the consumer will absorb and pay the 10-15% tariff (based on the wholesale value of the goods), and the exporting country will incur similar costs on U.S. Exports to them, resulting in both countries collecting some revenue.
The ultimate goal of most of Trumps tariffs is to discourage consumers from buying imported goods, but there will be some revenue collected, and hopefully they will find a good use for the $500BN or so expected in anticipated revenue.
Only in America could a conman slap 15- 100% taxes (tariffs) on life-saving medicines, groceries, and other essential products sending prices soaring while his supporters cheer like he’s sticking it to ‘the elites’ and not their own wallets. The sheer passivity with which Americans swallow this economic suicide is staggering. Trump could tax oxygen next, and half the country would wheeze, ‘Thanks, Daddy, can we pay more?’ while their children skip meals to afford insulin. This isn’t just gullibility. It's a despicable, brain-dead tribal cult, where loyalty to a billionaire who despises you matters more than putting food on your own table. The Founding Fathers feared tyranny of the majority, but never imagined a people so eager to be tyrannized by a clown.
"how American ?manufacturing? (more like endless consumerism w/o any actual value-making production) is dependent on global supply chains."
Funny how you don't seem to think that is a problem but instead try to sell it as a solution.
"Helpless Infant Dependency on others for the WIN!", Boehms patriotism.
Are we aiming for the spoiled-brat child successful-wealth now or what?