How To Keep Your Radio Station Going When the Government's Checks Don't Come
The Senate just voted to cut off the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. What comes next?

It finally happened: After decades of putting on a show of threatening to pull public broadcasting's federal funds, the Republican Party changed its mindset and decided to actually do it. The rescissions package that the Senate approved in the wee hours of Thursday morning will claw back the money that Congress allocated to the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB). The House still needs to approve the revised bill by midnight Friday, but that feels like a foregone conclusion.
In the past this would be someone's cue to bring up the fate of poor little Elmo, but these days Sesame Street has a home on Netflix anyway. And PBS and NPR themselves are sure to survive this cut. (Remember that huge endowment that Joan B. Kroc left to NPR 22 years ago? Last I heard, the network hadn't even touched the principal.) Much of the debate about the bill has therefore focused on individual stations that receive CPB subsidies.
So suppose you work at a noncommercial radio station and you suddenly have a hole in your budget. Maybe you'll try to fill that gap with an emergency fundraiser—but even if that's a smashing success, you can't count on your listeners to stay in crisis mode forever. If you've been relying on the government's money and the government isn't sending you those checks anymore, you'll need to find a way to keep yourself afloat, and that might mean changing your approach to broadcasting.
There are, broadly speaking, two ways to try to get by without federal support. One is to become much more commercial, and the other is to become much less commercial.
The "much more commercial" strategy is easier to envision because it's what most public broadcasters have been doing for years already. An underwriting announcement is basically a more genteel advertisement, and those boomer-music marathons on PBS are as brazen a case of chasing an affluent demographic as anything on network TV. So one path would be to lean into this approach and air more of the programming that brings in the most dollars.
This strategy has its limits, some of them imposed by law. Suppose there's a kombucha company that's pretty sure its target market listens to a lot of public radio. Under the rules of the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), a nominally noncommercial station can announce that a show is supported by a generous grant from a local kombucha brewer, but that announcement cannot include price information ("One delicious cup of cayenne kombucha costs just $9.99!"), comparisons to the competitors ("The best kombucha in the tri-state area!"), or what are known in the trade as "calls to action" ("So come on down to Crazy Eddie's Kombucha Stand—right now!—for our Kombucha in August sale!"). In the past, one might imagine a Republican administration loosening those regulations in exchange for withdrawing its subsidies. But the current FCC chief, Brendan Carr, seems inclined to move in the opposite direction, threatening investigations of underwriting announcements that ordinarily would have met the government's standards.
Still, there certainly are parts of the country where there's money in providing programming to the standard public-media niche, whether or not the FCC will let you be more flagrantly commercial about it. And a lot of those listeners would probably be turned off by overt ads anyway. Your biggest problem might be trying to get them to listen to you on the radio rather than listening online, where they can pick and choose which podcasts they prefer rather than donating to an entire FM package.
Indeed, if the ultimate goal here is to get popular programs into the ears of an upscale urban or suburban audience, and if those shows are easily accessed on the internet, your FM studios with nice offices at the local university might be extraneous anyway. Live by the high-end market, die by the high-end market. So that leads us to option number two: to defiantly broadcast the sorts of things that other outlets don't offer, to rely on community volunteers and operate on a shoestring budget, and to seek donations from listeners who are grateful that you're giving them things they can't find anywhere else.
If this sounds faintly familiar, it's because that's what noncommercial radio stations made a name for themselves by doing before the Corporation for Public Broadcasting was created in 1967. Many of them continued doing it, often styling themselves as "community radio" rather than "public radio," after those subsidies became available. But the people doling out those subsidies didn't always like the idea of funding the audio equivalent of a relentlessly uncommercial indie press, and the money often came with strings attached—inducements to hire more full-time staff, adopt more predictable programming, and chase a more conventional audience.
The big open question about the old community-radio model—about speaking to the niches that both commercial and public radio stations tend to shy away from—is how much the internet has eaten into that base of listeners and donors. We are long past the days when a radio station might be the only place offering obscure music or non-mainstream opinions; the online world overflows with precisely the sorts of listening options that you once had to tune to a 100-watt station broadcasting from a strip mall at 88-point-something to hear. Even the intense localism of these stations can be found on the internet these days, where there are places just to see the neighbors chatting. But that doesn't mean you're doomed; the online and on-air conversations might complement rather than compete with each other. And if you can cover neglected local news, offer technical training to local kids, and give the region's bands and DJs a place to showcase their talents, you just might stay afloat.
Speaking of intense localism: Much of the rhetoric around the rescissions bill has centered on remote rural stations in places with few or no other radio options and maybe not even good cell coverage. Hence the frequent references to the ways that CPB subsidies support emergency communications. As an argument for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, this was pretty weak—even if you think the government needs to pay for such things, you don't need to filter the money through a vast machine powering everything from puppet shows to reunion concerts. (It also sounds more like a state or tribal project than a federal one.) But as a reminder of one sort of broadcasting, it's well taken.
So in that spirit, I'll mention how one sort of highly local rural radio came to northern Canada. I can't say exactly what year this started, because no one seems entirely sure: Not only was it unsubsidized, but it was unlicensed. Tinkerers in Native American communities got their hands on some radio gear abandoned by Mounties and bureaucrats, and they started setting up communications systems. At first, these were just for emergency transmissions and the like, but soon people were playing music, sharing news, and building a sort of ethereal village center. Officials in Ottawa didn't even realize this was going on until well into the 1960s, when a couple of pilots stumbled on one of the unauthorized signals and people south of the 60th Parallel started taking note of what one pirate-radio buff called "impromptu Eskimo services." These days, northern Native outlets usually have licenses and subsidies, but they were initially powered by the sort of initiative that today would fuel a group chat or a weekly Zoom call.
I'm not saying you should adapt to the loss of your CPB check by disappearing into the wilderness, scavenging some archaic equipment, and starting a pirate operation. I'm just saying there are options outside the conventional styles of running a radio station. Even on a low budget, a broadcast project that meets real needs can thrive.
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Democrat donors can fund NPR since that's who NPR represents.
In real news, Trump insists on not releasing the Epstein files and really wishes everyone would forget that he's harped on it for the better part of a decade. While you ponder why Republicans voted to defeat an effort to release info that they have used as a talking point for years but now insist doesn't exist, remember that most things coming out of the Whitehouse is just smokescreen to distract you from the fact that Trump won't release the Epstein files.
According to Trump, the Epstein files are a hoax created by Democrats.
Cite?
Dems had their chance to release the files. They didn't.
Dems never said they would, much less run an entire campaign on it. Trump promised he would with his own stupid face, and no amount of whatabouting will change that.
Politicians say lots of things they don't do.
You're supposed to ignore what Trump says and instead focus on what he does. Except for when you're supposed to ignore what he does and focus on what he says.
You are so obsessed with Trump and his supporters. I think you have a secret crush.
Yet, today, some six months into Biden's successor's administration, leading Democrats are suddenly demanding, yes DEMANDING that the Trump administration release EVERY Epstein file immediately.
Really kinda interesting how they went four years not caring about the files, now they demand their release...
So, in this case Dems did not do it first.
So Sarcasmic is wrong.
I am puzzled by why people think there is a "client list" as if Epstein were sending out emails advertising "half priced Fridays on girls under 16". Epstein wasn't technically speaking a pimp. He didn't charge people to go to his island and partake of the girls. The people who went were invited because they knew him. You didn't pay or solicit him, he solicited you. There wouldn't be a client list. There would only be his address book, which was made public years ago.
Let's say for the sake of argument that Epstein really was working for the CIA and Mossad or whoever. Those people, whoever they were, were powerful enough to murder him in jail, including getting the closed-circuit cameras turned off in a federal jail. So, they can do that, but they somehow left the "client list" and films of Bill Clinton having threesomes with junior high girls fall into the hands of DOJ? Those two claims don't seem very compatible to me. If the conspiracy theories are true, and they might be, then there is no way there is anything in the DOJ files showing that. If they are not true, then there is nothing in the DOJ files beyond Epstein's child porn collection.
The other thing is that prosecuting the people who went to his island was not the slam dunk people seem to believe. First, going to the island and palling around with Epstein is not a crime and being there doesn't prove you had sex with anyone much less underage girls. For example, the rumor is Bill Clinton was into Maxwell. So, who is to say he wasn't there banging Maxwell? The only way to prove anyone had sex with an underage girl would be to have Maxwell testify to it or have the girl testify. Maxwell is a convicted felon who would be portrayed as being willing to say anything to get her sentence reduced. The girls would have a motivation to lie because they want a civil suit pay day.
The other problem is that mistake of fact is a defense to statutory rape. If a defendant can prove by a preponderance of the evidence that they thought the girl was over 18, then they are innocent. These girls were not 10 years old. They were all in their teens. Look at the pictures of the girl that Prince Andrew was with. She could be anywhere from 15 to 22 years old. Unless you have some proof showing that Prince Andrew was told and knew how old she was, Andrew just testifies that he thought she was 19 and almost certainly gets acquitted by any fair jury. Moreover, I seriously doubt Epstein ever told anyone how old these girls were. If he had, they people involved would likely not have done it. Yeah, they knew the girls were young, but they were never told exactly how young and that gave them plausible deniability to themselves and to anyone who ever found out. I can understand why DOJ never made a case against anyone but Epstein and Maxwell, who both admitted to multiple people they knew the girls were under 18. There wasn't a case to be made against anyone else.
Beyond all of that, information discovered in a criminal investigation cannot be released to the public unless doing so is necessary as part of an ongoing prosecution. There is good reason for that. Suppose the DEA is investigating a guy for smuggling drugs and following him around. As part of that, they find out he is banging someone's wife at a hotel room. If the guy ends up not being charged or is charged and pleads such that the fact that he was going to a hotel room to bang some married woman is never put into open court, why should it be released to the public and that woman's life and marriage ruined? It shouldn't. There is no reason to release it.
In this case, all of the criminal cases are done. The statute of limitations has passed on any of the "clients" even if there was a case to be made. So, DOJ can't release that information. Why Bondi shot her mouth off and pretended she could is beyond me. I am starting to think she just isn't very bright.
So, I don't think there is anything of interest in those files that isn't already known and certainly nothing that can be released consistent with the law. The outrage is just bullshit gullible morons being manipulated.
Look at you and your reasonable take on the issue.
I agree.
It scares and amazes me how irrational and easily manipulated people can be. The other thing that no one dare mention is the fact that most of these girls were willing participants. They were not children. Epstein was a scum bag but those girls were old enough to know better. More than that, where the hell were their parents? Who lets their smoking hot 16 year old daughter go off to some private island for a "photo shoot"? Seriously. As far as I am concerned the girls' parents were as guilty as Epstein.
You're still "puzzled?"
I shouldn't be puzzled by people's inability to think rationally about things, but I still am. I suppose it is just a vice of mine.
Someone's gotta love you, so it might as well be you.
The other problem is that mistake of fact is a defense to statutory rape. If a defendant can prove by a preponderance of the evidence that they thought the girl was over 18, then they are innocent.
In the overwhelming majority of States, statutory rape is strict liability. Being mistaken as to the victim's age is not a defense.
Except that this isn't in the states. The Island was out of the US. So, any prosecutions would have to be done under federal law. Federal law makes it a crime to travel outside the US to have sex with someone who is under 18. 18 USC Sec. 2423. Subpart I of that section states
(i)Defense.—
In a prosecution under this section based on illicit sexual conduct as defined in subsection (g)(2), it is a defense, which the defendant must establish by clear and convincing evidence, that the defendant reasonably believed that the person with whom the defendant engaged in the commercial sex act had attained the age of 18 years.
In federal court, statutory rape is not a strict liability crime.
Only about half the states treat it as a strict liability crime. Even many of those states treat it as a strict liability crime if the defendant is under 13 but accept a mistake of fact defense if the victim is over 13 but still under the age of consent.
The "client list" came from Republicans trying to score points politically. During Biden several right-wingers floated the list idea, Trump Jr and Patel being major voices among them. Then Trump himself said a "client list" would be put out by the FBI. There were other loudmouths like Alex Jones, but nobody sane listens to Jones. Kash Patel said the FBI had a list of names, but didn't say what context. They used it as a cudgel to accuse Biden admin, Hot-pants Bill Clinton, and any other Dem in range of misdeeds. So, in answer to your original question, "why people think there is a 'client list' ", is because Trump, Trumpians, and opportunistic Republicans and their host of talking heads told them that there was.
Of the sane people, just recently Dershowitz (Epstein's lawyer) has said that the FBI has a list made from signed affidavits from the girls involved in the investigation about who & what happened to them. And that it wasn't a "client list" so much as a list of participants but absolutely would not reveal additional info stating legal reasons; but did say he knew who was blocking it and said that it should & could be released as soon as the interference stopped.
The statute of limitations for having sex with those girls is five years. So, those cases cannot be brought. The real scandal here is why they were never pursued. Since they were not pursued and are now barred by the statute of limitations, DOJ can't release those affidavits for the reasons I give above. I don't think you can throw out the rules protecting people's privacy in every case because of one bad case.
Rather than worrying about the "client list", we should be worrying about why those cases were never brought or investigated. That is the real scandal. What is going on here is the people who don't want to talk about that are throwing out the red herring of the "Client list". Even if you could release those things, assuming they exist, who cares? The people can't be prosecuted for it. They are all rich and will suffer a lot less public sanction than you think they will. Finding out why the FBI never looked is the more important thing and what they don't want to happen.
I'm starting to think you are a sock for Bill Gates.
Yeah because anyone who thinks sensibly about this and doesn't want to join the lynch mob is just a pedo. Thanks for providing a perfect example of why we can't have nice things.
The circumstances of his death say Epstein had important info that wasn't written anywhere. I strongly doubt it had much to do with sex. I believe it had everything to do with how he became rich and connected. The sex was just a perquisite that men of power earn on the side.
Illuminatus! has a hilarious passage about theories about the assassination of a character, mostly relating to important world affairs, but the narrator eventually explains to us it was because that character had been banging a mafioso's wife.
Epstein went from being a private school teacher in Florida who was just an ordinary pervert to managing the fortunes of billionaires virtually overnight without any qualifications or any obvious reasons why it would happen. That to me is the most interesting thing about this case. Yeah, rich and powerful men like to have sex with teenage girls. That is not exactly news.
The truth may very well be that Epstein was doing something else that was a lot more important and embarrassing to the powers that be and the whole underage sex thing was just his vice and something he did with a few other rich weirdo friends like Prince Andrew.
I think it is a pretty good possibility that Epstein was involved with intelligence agencies of some sort. The thing about intel agencies is that, although they are often incompetent, they are really good and really sophisticated at coming up with cover stories and red herrings. It is entirely possible that they did murder him but for reasons that have nothing to do with sex and that the sex stuff is just a convenient way to ensure no one asks the right questions or figures out what was really going on. The guy had so much cover that DOJ in Washington stopped the Florida US attorney from prosecuting him in the 00s. Why did the feds suddenly decide to indict him for being a pervert in 2018? Maybe he had outlived his usefulness in other ways, and the sex thing was always just a way to control him and then get rid of him when the time came? That seems more plausible than Epstein having the underage sex tapes of the rich and famous.
Insurrection Barbie has some pretty good pieces on Epstein and how he got rich in the first place. That may be far more interesting and important than the underage sex.
https://x.com/defiyantlyfree/status/1945724708994924550?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA
The bigger questions may be about his connections and who worked with him.
How do you mastermind a $400 million Ponzi scheme, get fingered by your partner, and not only never get indicted but go on to be a fund manager for some very wealthy people? Yeah, this is inexplicable to put it mildly.
Exactly. Epstein was connected to someone with some kind of power.
CIA* coverup or a federal prosecutor, Acosta, was on the take. Eitherway our federal government was protecting a child rapist. And now that same federal government to say, nothing to see here; yeah not buying it.
*or other NS agency/group
Yeah, how it is that Epstein was never prosecuted is something to see. That is very true. Sadly, that is not what people are asking for. They all want to see the sex tapes of the stars, which almost certainly don't' exist.
So, what are you not buying here? If you really think there is anything of interest in this file, I have a bridge to sell you. The truth about why Epstein was never prosecuted, which is the real scandal, is not going to be in that file. The demand for the file is just manipulating the boobousie to keep them from asking the important questions.
Not buying the "nothing to see here". Whether it is in Bondi's folder or in the warehouse where they keep the Ark of the Covenant; there is a coverup by the spooks/prosecutor of a child molester who used either the intelligence agencies (more likely) or a prosecutor (less) to protect him.
Trumpians are going to be sooooo disappointed when pulling these funds doesn't put NPR out of business.
Doubt it. They don't care about NPR, just don't want it funded by taxpayers.
^ This
It's a concept his TDS doesn't allow him to consider.
The big ego, low self-esteem, and alcohol abuse disorder potential synergistic factors.
Idiot who can't read -
(Remember that huge endowment that Joan B. Kroc left to NPR 22 years ago? Last I heard, the network hadn't even touched the principal.)
Privately funded, as it should be.
Yes, I mean that Trumpians are going to be sooooo disappointed when they read that. Idiot.
Privately funded, as it should be.
From what I've seen the consensus among Trumpians is not that NPR shouldn't get government funding, it's that NPR shouldn't exist at all. Those people are going to have a big cry when they find out the people they hate are not out of a job. A really big cry. With lots of sobbing like teenage girls.
""From what I've seen the consensus among Trumpians is not that NPR shouldn't get government funding, it's that NPR shouldn't exist at all.""
Wrong. But your TDS won't let you believe anything else.
They can sell advertising time just like everyone else.
I’m sure there are enough Herb Tarlick-wannabes out there they could hire.
Sponsored in part by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
That's not the point.
The point is NPR and PBS never should've gotten taxpayers' money in the first place.
All sane people recognize corporate welfare is a bad idea.
No, that's not the point.
The reason why they got taxpayer money was so that they'd set up towers in areas where it would be uneconomical for a for-profit station to do so. It was never to subsidize content or anything like that. It was treated like an emergency broadcast system. And at the time I could see that argument making sense based upon available technology. But technology has moved on, so there's no need for the subsidies anymore.
That's the point.
Have a special fundraising episode of Antiques Roadshow where they display Joe Biden.
The hit to PBS and NPR, and the pain they think they feel, is not financial. It is ego. They have wallowed in the conceit that they are the officially sanctioned Voice of The People, and above all that dirty commercialization, while busy whoring themselves out to as many corporate partners and wealthy donors as possible.
Now they have to face a future in which the Miss USA Media sash and tiara have been ripped off. Or is it the cosplay "working man, er, person" apron and sickle?
I listen to NPR while driving sometimes. The news itself is pretty good. Opinion not so much. Not that Trumpians understand the difference. Anyway, they've been preparing for this for a while. It's not going to hurt their operations or their egos. Sorry.
""It's not going to hurt their operations or their egos. Sorry.""
That's not what they are saying.
If cutting off funding doesn't matter and they will go on just as before, then why are they complaining so much and why should anyone care that they are? If NPR continues without government funding, good for them.
I listen to NPR while driving sometimes. The news itself is pretty good.
I actually do listen to NPR while driving. Either you are lying about listening or you are the Democrat shill you are accused of being. NPR news reporting has a 100% left leaning bias.
Here is a prime example from today:
https://www.npr.org/2025/07/17/nx-s1-5471391/israel-hamas-war-gaza-catholic-church-priest
So much unable to be verified. So much left out. It is not journalism, it is propaganda. Goebbels would be jealous.
"I listen to NPR while driving sometimes."
That explains a lot.
"The news itself is pretty good. Opinion not so much. Not that Trumpians understand the difference."
I would suggest to them, "Put a chick in it, make her gay!", but I think they already did that.
With every neighborhood in every city and town having it's own social media groups across multiple venues, the need for 'local' coverage has long past. And given that even 'poor' inner city kids go to school with their phones out, access to media is hardly a problem. Personally, I'm 70 years old, and one of the last people in the country with a flip phone. But don't worry about me - internet access is free through my local library.
Radio seems like a dead issue. I haven't even owned a radio for years, other than the one in the truck. The idea that they are useful in emergencies is a laugh; if the internet is down from loss of power, so are radios, and I'm not keeping a battery radio ready to fire up just for a once in a century disaster which would also kill radio station power.
Used to listen to traffic reporting when I had a commute that encountered traffic, but google maps shows full time everywhere traffic speeds instead of having to hear a selection of them every ten minutes, sponsored by some mattress company offering a $2000 off sale. That did amuse me, and I looked them up: $10,000 for a mattress!
Music? More and better selection off my cell phone.
I wonder how many radio stations there even still are. Maybe I'll go ask Grok or some AI to generate a chart.
NPR is just a means by which rich leftists stick it to the normies. You are right, no one listens to the radio anymore. NPR will either continue on its own funding or go away and no one will miss it. Its only value is for leftists to know it is there and know that the normies are being forced to pay taxes to fund it. That is all it is at this point.
So ... I asked Grok. It says AM has been very slowly declining from a peak 5000 stations in the 1990s to 4300 today. FM has sort of held steady, except non-commercial FM station count has doubled since 2000. Old folks listen to NPR FM, while kids 13-24 listen to it for the non-traditional and ad-free music that commercial radio stations won't touch.
That's the two surprises, non-commercial FM and kids. A lot of the non-commercial FM is low power community stuff, and who knows where they get their funding, or if they even need much. And I suppose finding oddball music on Spotify or iMusic or Youtube might be less common than I would have expected. But Amazon sells low-power FM transmitters for $80! Suddenly things make a lot more sense. You could set that up on your balcony or apartment roof and broadcast an hour or two a day, share it with your friends, take turns, and with the USB connections, feed it recorded shows at night.
You only seem to have asked Grok about AM and FM, which constitute only a small part of the spectrum. I wouldn't say you should check out, like plan for or try and adopt, things like LoRa, but you should be aware they exist.
Also, "Keeping a battery radio ready to fire up...", I don't know anybody who doesn't keep a 'portable charger' or battery around to charge their (or their kids') phones on the go. Only the dirt-cheapiest of Dollar Store radios uses batteries that aren't USB compatible, meaning the battery that powers your radio can power the phone.
Technically, your phone is just a radio that's been really, really specialized to operate on a really narrow band with a well-defined set of protocols (and otherwise crippled).
Admittedly, I'm not the average telecom consumer, but I can't count the number of times that I've gone days where I can *see* the cell tower, a couple miles or less away, but don't have reception, but am able to reach out on lower bands with more powerful and less power-hungry radios to the tower just fine.
These radio stations are a great example of how slow the government reacts to market forces. Further, "reacts" isn't even the right word to use to describe the glacial, partial, blind, unrealistic way that the government responds.
Radio isn't even a word used in conversation anymore. A topic from 1995 has awoken like Rip Van Winkle, and is brushing the sleepy dust from it's eyes exclaiming "lawdy how things have changed!"
"How To Keep Your Radio Station Going When the Government's Checks Don't Come."
How about rejoicing that at least some of our tax dollars is no longer going for corporate welfare.
Granted, there's a lot more corporate welfare that needs to be terminated, but at least this is a good start.
"You'll need to find a way to keep yourself afloat" without using 'Guns' (Gov-Guns) against other people.
Why it almost makes complete sense.
For anyone who isn't an armed criminal at heart.
I thought they said they didn't need that money?
They don't need it to broadcast. They need it for junkets, lobbying, and political donations.
In the past this would be someone's cue to bring up the fate of poor little Elmo
Too late, ICE deported his ass back to Iran.
Thought Elmo got deported to New York.
We had a good non-government supported community radio station here in St. Louis, KDHX.
But then the board fired everyone, alienated all the listeners, rand the station into the ground, then sold out to a religious radio conglomerate.
you can't count on your listeners to stay in crisis mode forever.
If only.
Once upon a time we had local, low power that served communities too small to support more traditional radio stations. Then the world moved forward and now there are multitudes of ways to learn what's going on in your community.
The previous administration at one point proposed subsidizing traditional print/news media to support "independent" journalism, but that idea was shot down because, obviously, it was a bad idea - politicians handing taxpayer funds to reporters is the furthest thing from "independent journalism" I can imagine.
See: https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-congress-newspapers-television-604ecdbc81b21c3876ef08d25ebccac4
What we're talking about here is Listener-Supported Radio/TV, but somehow the government is expected to step in and hand them money to stay on the air - WHY?
Running a transmitter and renting modest office space is cheap, what is expensive is paying the CPB and NPR for the right to carry nationally syndicated shows, and why do they run those shows? So they can compete with the commercial stations - got that? Compete, not be an alternative.
If a community radio station needs money to keep its doors open/signal on the air, I'm OK with the federal government helping them do that, but expect to be challenged about how you serve the community. I am strongly opposed to stations taking subsidies and handing that money over to PBS or NPR or CPB to pay for the right to broadcast national shows.