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Free Trade

New 30 Percent Tariff Threats

Plus: Clemency revelations, climate change law affects New York housing prices, Rosie O'Donnell's citizenship, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 7.14.2025 9:30 AM

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What's his game plan? On Saturday, President Donald Trump threatened to impose 30 percent tariffs on Mexico and all European Union countries, for seemingly no reason whatsoever.

"Mexico has been helping me secure the border, BUT, what Mexico has done, is not enough," Trump wrote in a letter to Mexico's president. "Mexico still has not stopped the Cartels who are trying to turn all of North America into a Narco-Trafficking Playground." (I suppose that's a reason, but if his expectation was that Mexico could just stop cartels between April's tariff announcement and now, that seems like an unrealistic goal.)

Trump has told 25 different foreign nations that he will impose new tariff levels—some higher, but some lower—on August 1. Some of them are rather aggressive increases, such as Brazil's tariff level, which has gone from 10 percent to 50 percent. Others, such as Bangladesh's drop from 37 percent to 35 percent, are a slight reprieve.

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But Mexico and the European Union together account for a full third of U.S. imports. And even if Trump perceives tariff levels as a useful foreign policy instrument when negotiating with Mexico and trying to reduce drug flow into the United States, it's not clear why he'd be targeting Europe in much the same manner. What does he hope to get, exactly?

Trump's tariff approach seems basically to be "flood the zone." Flood the zone with chaos and constant changes, so nobody knows the current levels and so nobody can realistically plan for the future. The only certain thing is that the future will have less free trade: "Since Mr. Trump came into office in January, the average effective U.S. tariff rate has soared to 16.6 percent from 2.5 percent, according to tracking by the Budget Lab at Yale University, a nonpartisan research center," per the Times.

Clemency on autopilot: The Trump White House, Congress, and the Department of Justice are ramping up investigations into former President Joe Biden's aides, trying to suss out whether the former president was really in control toward the end of his term as his mental-acuity problems were becoming more of a political liability.

Toward the end of his presidency, Biden issued preemptive pardons for allies he believed could be targeted by Trump or otherwise find themselves in legal trouble—including, controversially, his son Hunter (who pleaded guilty to tax charges in September 2024, and was found guilty of being an illegal drug user in possession of a firearm earlier that year as well). He also reduced sentences for nearly 4,000 federal prisoners. But Biden was not signing each slip himself, and there's been lots of speculation about how much clemency decisionmaking was being delegated to aides.

"Biden did not individually approve each name for the categorical pardons that applied to large numbers of people, he and aides confirmed," The New York Times reported yesterday. "Rather, after extensive discussion of different possible criteria, he signed off on the standards he wanted to be used to determine which convicts would qualify for a reduction in sentence.

"Even after Mr. Biden made that decision, one former aide said, the Bureau of Prisons kept providing additional information about specific inmates, resulting in small changes to the list," continued the Times. "Rather than ask Mr. Biden to keep signing revised versions, his staff waited and then ran the final version through the autopen, which they saw as a routine procedure, the aide said." But staffers saw lots of covering-for-Biden as routine procedure, and at times they took great license simply to make decisions for him, so these assurances don't really make clear who was making the decisions.


Scenes from New York: Unfortunately for landlords—and anyone who wants to rent housing at a semi-reasonable price in New York City—mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani, who won the Democratic primary last month, absolutely loves Local Law 97.

This is a climate-related measure, passed by city council (arguably almost as bad at policy as Mamdani) back in 2019, that forces landlords to make very expensive upgrades to reduce the greenhouse gas emissions of their buildings. "Local Law 97 targets about 50,000 properties that are larger than 25,000 square feet," reports The New York Times, "calling for a series of reductions in emissions over the upcoming years. To meet the deadlines, some properties may have to take expensive steps like replacing oil-burning boilers or installing solar panels." Landlords may also have to switch to electric appliances, which can be extremely costly when you're talking about hundreds of units. Under the timelines detailed in the law, the next set of limits, scheduled for 2030, requires a 40 percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions; the aim is net-zero emissions by 2050.

It all seems like a make-work program for Department of Buildings enforcers and a jobs program for people involved in retrofitting buildings. And it's likely to result in landlords passing on costs to tenants.


QUICK HITS

  • Four Shark Tank businesses talk about how hard it is to survive the tariff landscape.
  • "Because of the fact that Rosie O'Donnell is not in the best interests of our Great Country, I am giving serious consideration to taking away her Citizenship. She is a Threat to Humanity," wrote President Donald Trump on Truth Social over the weekend. "The president of the USA has always hated the fact that I see him for who he is—a criminal con man sexual abusing liar out to harm our nation to serve himself," O'Donnell replied. "This is why I moved to Ireland."
  • "The slump in Japan's long-term bonds intensified Monday, pushing yields sharply higher in a move that puts global debt markets on alert," reports Bloomberg. "Amid signs of thin liquidity and increasing worries about higher government spending in Japan, yields on bonds from the 10-year to the 40-year spiked in moves reminiscent of the surge that rippled through global markets in May." Japan will be holding elections in a few days, in which the ruling party in the upper house may lose its stronghold.
  • A Just Asking Questions to watch/listen to: How socialism seduced New Yorkers.
  • Yes:

Paul Ehrlich, unapologetic author of a mass sterilization campaign, deserves a thousand times more hate than he has gotten. His name should be mud. https://t.co/7pC9pLx1OS pic.twitter.com/nousejhynl

— TracingWoodgrains (@tracewoodgrains) July 13, 2025

  • The socialist mind struggles to comprehend this:

He launched them. He didn't take over existing satellites. They weren't there before. https://t.co/AlyyLs4vNV

— Payton Alexander (@AlexanderPayton) July 12, 2025

  • Pamela Anderson forever. ("Anderson's feelings about sex and her naked body were less in line with the hyper-materialist 1980s and '90s than with the attitudes of the '60s—she just wanted to be free," writes Caitlin Flanagan.)

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    What's his game plan?

    MAGA. How many hats does he need to put it on?

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    1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

      They can't understand this because they themselves always have ulterior motives. They can't wrap their heads around the concept that someone would just blatantly declare what they're up to.

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      1. Quicktown Brix   2 days ago

        someone would just blatantly declare what they're up to

        Yeah, and then blatantly declare something contradictory to what they just declaared. They just can't understand.

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        1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

          Adapting as the situation changes is a horrible thing to those who insist on adherence to dogma. But my point still stands. For good or for ill, Trump will say exactly what he is planning at the moment. There are no layers or hidden motives.

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          1. Quicktown Brix   2 days ago

            Fair, but I think his motives are hidden even to himself.

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            1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 days ago

              Well goddamn, aren’t you clever.

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              1. Quicktown Brix   2 days ago

                Yes.

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                1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 days ago

                  Keep thinking that.

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                2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 days ago

                  No; deluded.

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      2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

        It's more they have benefitted from the graft and such funding the legacy economoc paradigm. The paradigm that enriched them and their allies, but is bankrupting the country. Also because they are intellectually lazy and never get past their first impressions.

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  2. Chumby   2 days ago

    A year ago yesterday in Butler, PA an Act Blue donor tried to assassinate DJT.

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    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 days ago

      A mostly peaceful assassination attempt

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      1. Social Justice is neither   2 days ago

        Apparently one that didn't follow procedure or perform their duties up to the standards of the agency. No biggie really.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

          And they were given a warning 10 days earlier, so the D team got assigned.

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          1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 days ago

            Yes, the (D) team…….

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    2. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

      Act Blue donations being the hallmark of a real conservative.

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    3. Spiritus Mundi   2 days ago

      Still no motive.

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      1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

        The pants shitting rage in the fancier offices at Quantico and Langley when he missed, would have been glorious to behold.

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    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

      Was that the one with the Grassy Knoll?

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      1. Chumby   2 days ago

        No, there was no Book Suppository during this incident.

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

          Hey, is that a slam at Trump for not reading books?

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          1. Chumby   2 days ago

            The stuff of rumors.

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            1. Dillinger   2 days ago

              good album.

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              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

                Go your own way.

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                1. Chumby   2 days ago

                  Let’s Nicks the Fleetwood Mac references.

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                  1. Dillinger   2 days ago

                    Oh Well.

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                  2. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

                    "Fleetwood Mac and cheese" would be a good wheel of fortune clue...

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                  3. Chumby   2 days ago

                    It is a joke prepper food for boomers.

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        2. Marshal   2 days ago

          Thank you Pvt Snowball.

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    5. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      Next you're going to tell me Mackey got off or DHS is being ambushed by antifa.

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    6. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

      That's when Trump fell down after some loud popping noises?

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      1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 days ago

        Must have been bubble wrap.

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  3. Chumby   2 days ago

    Reports emerging that an autopen was used in the last-minute pardons of Fauci and the January 6th committee.

    - Thermopylae News

    The pen is mightier than the syringe.

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

      There is no deep state.

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      1. Chumby   2 days ago

        At this point, elbow deep state

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    2. Spiritus Mundi   2 days ago

      They brought Biden out of the nusing home to assure us he was aware the autopen was being used.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

        Biden thought they were talking about his good buddy Otto Bismarck.

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    3. mad.casual   2 days ago

      He's more of a mover and shaker than the 20-somethings on his staff.
      He's slowed down, but the rumors aren't true, he's good for another term.
      He mostly likely won't get 25thed in his second term.
      He can't finish the race.
      Holy shit! How did we get here?
      He might have used an autopen right at the end of his term.

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      1. Chumby   2 days ago

        Sharp as a tack

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        1. Chuck the Sarcasm Police   2 days ago

          Hammer. Sharp as a tack hammer. They must have said that last part under their breath.

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          1. mad.casual   2 days ago

            Sharp as a tack. He's as sharp as adhesive putty.

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            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   1 day ago

              I would've called him sharp as a bowling ball and just as dense.

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  4. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

    And it's likely to result in landlords passing on costs to tenants.

    What part of rent freeze don’t you get?

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

      In Soviet New York, sometimes you freeze the rent and sometimes the rent freezes you.

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  5. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    ...if his expectation was that Mexico could just stop cartels between April's tariff announcement and now, that seems like an unrealistic goal.

    Lack of planning on Mexico's part does not constitute a tariff-free existence on the president's part.

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  6. Chumby   2 days ago

    If a cow on a neighboring ranch wanders onto mine and has a calf here, neither the cow nor the calf are mine.

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

      But it would be easy to steal the milk.

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      1. Chumby   2 days ago

        The other rancher might have a cow.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

          Bull.

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      2. Rick James   2 days ago

        For less than market rates!

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    2. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

      But since the cow trespassed, you are allowed to shoot it in the face as a righteous act of fearing for your safety.

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      1. Chumby   2 days ago

        Steakholders would pounce.

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        1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

          My mother grew up on a cattle ranch. She was wildly gifted in dealing with animals. When she was in 8th grade, she raised a steer that ended up winning first prize at the Prestigeous American Royal stock show in Kansas City. My grandfather being a rancher who had survived and in fact thrived through the dustbowl, did the sensible thing and sold him to a steak house for top dollar. The steak house gave my mother a coupon for a free steak dinner as a reward for her steer winning top prize. She was not consoled and though helped other kids never raised a steer for 4H again. I could never figure out what she thought was going to happen. She was always her dad's favorite. I guess she figured she could charm him out of selling the steer.

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          1. Chumby   2 days ago

            She had a beef with her dad about that?

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            1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

              Yes, she did until the day she died. There really anything she could do about it. Although she knew she couldn't blame him, she wasn't happy about it, that is for sure.

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              1. Chumby   2 days ago

                Did she ever grill him about it?

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                1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

                  He got roasted.

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                2. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

                  I am sure she did at the time. And she would mention it occasionally. My grandfather thought it was funny that they gave her a coupon to eat her own steer. He understandably was a bit more hard nosed about these things than his daughter was able to be.

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                  1. Chumby   2 days ago

                    Your grandfather decided to rib her about it?!?!

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                    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

                      His not getting yours puns have me laughing.

                    2. Chumby   2 days ago

                      Like sarc, think it could go either way. You believe the puns flew right pasture?

                3. Gaear Grimsrud   2 days ago

                  He steered her the wrong way.

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          2. Randy Sax   2 days ago

            My grandfather had a similar situation with a pig he looked out for as a kid. One day, the pig was bacon at the breakfast table.

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            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

              When I was a kid, my mom was friends with a family that owned a campground and ranch in the mountains. Part of the campground operations included horses for hay rides and trail rides, and they usually had a few goats, pigs, and chickens, not as a petting zoo, but as part of the whole "western" theme of the place.

              First time I ever saw a chicken get throttled was at the campground, and it became part of a chicken stew for the workers that evening. They'd also slaughter the pigs in the fall and process the meat; sometimes we'd be invited over for breakfast in the offseason and the bacon would be from the pigs that had been at the campground that summer. And it was WAY better than anything in the store.

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            2. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 days ago

              I had to read a depressing book about that in high school.

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              1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

                Charlotte’s web?

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              2. Chumby   2 days ago

                Something about the Donner Party?

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              3. Chuck the Sarcasm Police   2 days ago

                Animal Farm?

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                1. Jefferson Paul   2 days ago

                  All animals are delicious, but some animals are more delicious than others.

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          3. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 days ago

            A girl I knew use to get an animal to raise. She would name the animal after what she would buy with the money from taking it to market

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          4. mad.casual   2 days ago

            Common in first year 4-Hers (myself included), the vast majority aren't thinking that far ahead and reality doesn't set in until the fair is over and it's auction night, but 8th grade is really old for first year.

            Every year, we take the kids back to an agritourism farm near where I grew up that opens in the fall/winter. Several years ago, Broodling No. 3 (~7-8 at the time), swore the kids (goats) were the same ones as last year and that they remembered him. Upon hearing this, Broodling No. 2 (who would've been about 8th grade) busts out laughing. "They would be full grown goats by now. What do you think they do, put them in the freezer to keep them fresh and then just thaw them out in the fall?"

            Same old joke: The other day I went to the psychic and she told me some horrible news; in 11, maybe 13, years I was going to suffer a terrible, heartbreaking loss. So, to cheer myself up, I got a puppy.

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    3. Quicktown Brix   2 days ago

      Nations do not own their citizens.

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      1. Spiritus Mundi   2 days ago

        Do they own their borders?

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        1. Quicktown Brix   2 days ago

          yes

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        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

          But defining a "border" is harder than defining a "woman".

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          1. Chumby   2 days ago

            Have to draw the line somewhere.

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      2. Chumby   2 days ago

        https://tenor.com/view/who's-being-naive-kay-the-godfather-hindi-kulfy-gif-12034324797858099477

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        1. Quicktown Brix   2 days ago

          OK then. Nations shouldn't own their citizens.

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          1. Randy Sax   2 days ago

            Tell that to Edward Sallow.

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          2. Chumby   2 days ago

            Two Majors reporting that Germany will soon introduce conscription for the Bundeswehr.

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      3. DesigNate   2 days ago

        Nations shouldn’t, but they sure as fuck all think they do. At least for income tax purposes.

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    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

      But what if the cow surrenders and applies for asylum?

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  7. Moonrocks   2 days ago

    She is a Threat to Humanity

    I love this guy.

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    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 days ago

      She is a threat to all you can eat buffets

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      1. Chumby   2 days ago

        You think Homestyle Buffet has a trough reserved for her?

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

          She was banned during the last bankruptcy to prevent the next one.

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      2. Randy Sax   2 days ago

        Do they have red lobster in Ireland?

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

          Would you settle for red politics? (And that's old school red, not MAGA red.)

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        2. Dillinger   2 days ago

          only after you boil them.

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        3. Kungpowderfinger   2 days ago

          https://www.rai.ie/2025/05/150-restaurants-closed-in-first-quarter-of-2025-due-to-soaring-business-costs-restaurants-association-of-ireland-survey-warns-of-more-closures-ahead/

          Coincidence? I think not.

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        4. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

          I thought it was more lobster red, as in staying out in the sun too long and going directly from pale to sunburn, do not pass Go, do not collect a tan, go directly to sunburn.

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    2. Kungpowderfinger   2 days ago

      Ireland better get ready for another potato famine.

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      1. Chumby   2 days ago

        Could spudder out of control.

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

          Especially if the chips are down.

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          1. Chumby   2 days ago

            A You Tuber will make videos about this.

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            1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

              I will keep my eyes open for that.

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              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

                We need to russet up some new puns.

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                1. Chumby   2 days ago

                  Chit happens

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    3. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

      Classic:

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NFpkvAePP7M&pp=ygUbdHJ1bXAgcm9zaWUgbydkb25uZWxsIHJvYXN0

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      1. Kungpowderfinger   2 days ago

        That killed me, if ever a transcript was warranted.

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  8. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

    In light of Mamdani's surge, communists are coming out of the woodwork...of course with the Jew hatred baked right in...

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/socialism-is-good-politics/ar-AA1Iw9Zo

    Zohran Mamdani was never supposed to win. Up against former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo – a well-funded candidate backed by real estate interests and AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) – the Democratic Socialist Mamdani ran for New York City mayor on what was considered too radical a platform. At its core was rent control, defunding the NYPD (New York Police Department), public investment in affordable housing, city-run grocery stores, and uncompromising support for Palestinian liberation. And yet, against the odds and elite consensus, he won the Democratic primary and is set to become the mayor of New York City after the election in November.

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    1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

      Between this and the illegal immigrant child labor pot farm in California, it really is the Libertarian Moment.

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      1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

        The what now?

        —- Reason

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      2. Chumby   2 days ago

        Believe the Libertarian Moment was when White Mike shared: Conservatives and Conservative Leaning Libertarian (CACLL).

        Note that White Mike coined that!

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        1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

          Dee’s a clever bitch.

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    2. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

      More Mamdani...with the Jew hatred in full force again...

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/he-never-grew-up-mamdani-s-college-essay-on-white-privilege-resurfaces/ar-AA1Il8gn

      In a 2014 piece, he criticized Bowdoin president Barry Mills for not signing onto a proposed Israeli boycott.

      This academic and cultural boycott aims to bring under scrutiny the actions of the Israeli government and to put pressure on Israeli institutions to end the oppressive occupation and racist policies within both Israel and occupied Palestine.

      To date, Israeli academic institutions have been notoriously silent with regards to the daily oppression of their Palestinian counterparts. No Israeli university has actively or publicly opposed the occupation. Israeli universities give priority admission to soldiers, discriminate against Palestinian students, and have developed remote-controlled bulldozers for the Israeli Army's home demolitions.

      Lastly, Mills regrettably makes no mention of Palestinians or Palestine. The call for the boycott comes in response to more than 60 years of Israeli colonial occupation of Palestine. When Mills speaks of the "free exchange of knowledge, ideas, and research, and open discourse" in academia, he does so while privileging partnerships with Israeli institutions over basic freedoms for Palestinians, including the rights to food, water, shelter and education, which many Palestinians are denied under Israeli rule.

      , The Free Press reported in a profile piece in April as his poll numbers were in the ascendency, his behavior left an unpleasant taste in the mouths of many students who felt his actions bordered on outright anti-Semitism. A snippet:

      During the 2012 war in Gaza between Hamas and Israel, a Bowdoin alumnus who was active in J Street U—a progressive pro-Israel group on campus—told me that Mamdani allowed SJP to meet with his organization for a "productive discussion." But then Zohran and his co-founder instituted a policy of “non-normalization,” he said. In other words, all engagement with pro-Israel groups was off the table.

      “We were pretty disappointed because we thought we were actually getting somewhere,” the alumnus said. “And then they axed it.”

      Another former classmate told me he asked Mamdani if he would help organize a music festival between SJP and J Street U. “He was very flippantly like, ‘No, absolutely not.’ And at the time, I was like, ‘Wow, what an a**hole.’"

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      1. Chuck the Sarcasm Police   2 days ago

        But then Zohran and his co-founder instituted a policy of “non-normalization,” he said. In other words, all engagement with pro-Israel groups was off the table.

        Ha! What Marxists do when they lose a debate. Rage like toddlers.

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        1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 days ago

          Pedo Jeffy is the poster child for that phenomenon.

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    3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 days ago

      "...Up against former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo –..."

      There's the problem right there.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

        Hey, just because Cuomo lost the nursing home vote...

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        1. Chumby   2 days ago

          Technically, everyone lost the nursing home vote.

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          1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 days ago

            Nah. Now they vote over 100% democrat.

            Literally.

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    4. Rick James   2 days ago

      Zohran Mamdani was never supposed to win. Up against former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo – a well-funded candidate backed by real estate interests and AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee)

      *facepalm*

      Mamdani was never supposed to win... until they brought out former disgraced New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, well-funded backed by real estate interests and AIPAC... then it was a shoo-in.

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  9. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

    So, it turns out everything that Reason and CATO has ever said about the productivity of immigrants and their propensity to use public assistance is a lie. Where is my surprised face?

    54% of immigrant-headed households use at least one major welfare program, compared to 39% of U.S.-born households.
    Non-citizen households (e.g., green card holders and illegal immigrants) show the highest usage at 59%.
    Compared to U.S.-born households, immigrant households show elevated usage in:
    – Food assistance programs: 36% vs. 25%
    – Medicaid: 37% vs. 25%
    – Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC): 16% vs. 12%
    Illegal immigrants can receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children, while children who are illegal immigrants themselves are eligible for school meals and WIC.
    Several states provide Medicaid or SNAP to some illegal immigrants, and millions of undocumented immigrants with work permits (DACA, TPS, asylum applicants) qualify for EITC.
    Removing low-cost programs like school meals and WIC from the analysis still shows 46% of immigrant households vs. 33% of U.S.-born households use at least one remaining major program.
    Workforce participation is high: 83% of immigrant households and 94% of illegal immigrant households have at least one worker.

    https://x.com/DataRepublican/status/1944504736201244961

    Immigrants are taxpayer subsidized workers.

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    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

      EVERY WORKER is a 'taxpayer subsidized worker' by this standard.

      If the percent of immigrant households who received welfare were 0%, would you be in favor of them staying? Answer: no. So this whole 'welfare' thing is a complete red herring.

      Team MAGA doesn't want them here not because they use welfare. Team MAGA doesn't want them here because they are regarded as inferior people, and their welfare usage is supposed proof of their inferiority.

      Your hero JD Vance described what the New Right believes about citizenship: the idea of a creedal American nation is dead. To be "meaningfully American" one must have already deep roots in this country. People with ancestors who fought in the Civil War have more of a claim to "being American" than people who showed up yesterday, despite their beliefs. Immigrants cannot possibly fit in to America under this standard. That is why they have to go. America for Americans only.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

        Cool story. Did you trade a six pack to Sarc for that straw?

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        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

          https://singjupost.com/transcript-jd-vances-speech-at-the-claremont-institutes-statesmanship-award-event/

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          1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

            Are you still trying to pretend that the guy with immigrant in-laws and the guy with an immigrant wife are being xenophobes, again?

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            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

              You're right, JD Vance would NEVER be a hypocrite. He is not one of those grubby politicians, he is an 'earnest public servant'. He hasn't quite yet earned the sainthood status of His Holiness Lord Trump, but he's well on his way!

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              1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

                He isn't a hypocrite. You're just lying about his motives because you have virtually no argument without it.

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                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                  His words: he does not believe in America as a 'creedal nation'.
                  His words: he believes someone who has ancestors who fought in the Civil War has a greater claim to "being an American" than others.

                  He has become a blood-and-soil nationalist. He places native-born Americans on a higher pedestal than everyone else. He makes an exception for his wife because like most politicians he doesn't think the rules should apply to him. You are a dissembling gaslighting politruk for your team.

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                  1. SCOTUS gave JeffSarc a big sad   2 days ago

                    You hate nationalism. You hate the concepts of citizenship, and sovereign borders. You also despise patriotism and national pride. You do love groomers and pedophiles though.

                    So of course a patriot like JD Vance is anathema to you. Just like vampires and crucifixes.

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                    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

                      He is a Marxist so he aligns with the open borders Marxists view.

                  2. Chuck the Sarcasm Police   2 days ago

                    His words: he believes someone who has ancestors who fought in the Civil War has a greater claim to "being an American" than others.

                    You lie, you lying piece of shit liar. That is NOT what Vance said.

                    If you think about it, identifying America just with agreeing with the principles, let’s say, of the Declaration of Independence, that’s a definition that is way over-inclusive and under-inclusive at the same time. What do I mean by that? Well, first of all, it would include hundreds of millions, maybe billions of foreign citizens who agree with the principles of the Declaration of Independence. Must we admit all of them tomorrow? If you follow that logic of America as a purely creedal nation, America purely as an idea, that is where it would lead you. But at the same time, that answer would also reject a lot of people that the ADL would label as domestic extremists. Even those very Americans had their ancestors fight in the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. And I happen to think that it’s absurd, and the modern left seems dedicated to doing this, to saying, you don’t belong in America unless you agree with progressive liberalism in 2025. I think the people whose ancestors fought in the Civil War have a hell of a lot more claim over America than the people who say they don’t belong.

                    What he said was diametrically opposed to what you claim he wrote - "someone who has ancestors who fought in the Civil War has a greater claim to "being an American" than others" - that people diminish their claim over America when they say people with ancestors who actually fought and bled for freedom don't deserve the legacy of that sacrifice.

                    Removing context in an attempt to slander a critic is what you do best, you mendacious twat. Vance has you pegged and you hate him for it.

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                    1. Marshal   2 days ago

                      Notice though that while Jeffey will lie to make this accusation of someone on the right he will never criticize someone on the left for advancing the principle he claims to oppose.

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                      I stand by what I said. You have a reading comprehension problem. He very clearly stated that those who had ancestors who fought in the Civil War have a greater claim over America than others. I originally said "being an American" but it is the same idea. You just don't like the implications of what you support. That some citizens are more equal than others, and that the hierarchy of citizenship should be determined by blood and soil. Don't worry, Trump has made blood-and-soil nationalism popular again. You're completely allowed to now say that you don't think modern immigrants have as much right to be here as much old ones. By the way do you think Mamdami should be denaturalized and deported because he's a "Muslim socialist"?

                    3. DesigNate   1 day ago

                      The "others" being the people that say those of us whose "ancestors fought in the Civil War" don't belong here.

                      He even bolded the relevant part of the quote, jeff. Goddamn.

                    4. Chuck the Sarcasm Police   1 day ago

                      I stand by what I said.

                      Chemjeff's Rules for Radicals (and Groomers!). Only $0.25 a copy.

                      You fail to demonstrate a single thought that wasn't planted in your deranged mind by someone else.

                    5. Marshal   1 day ago

                      I stand by what I said. You have a reading comprehension problem.

                      It's actually Jeffey's interpretation that is wrong, but he isn't too stupid to understand. He just lies.

                      Vance was responding to people who claim progressive politics determines who good Americans are and said if we're picking categories his category is a better choice. He didn't say that class was better than all other Americans.

                      But note the key fact: while claiming Vance was privileging one category Jeffey claims that means he thinks all others are inferior. But he didn't criticize the leftists who claim the same about progressive politics supporters. That's because Jeffey never applies any standard to himself or his allies. His standards only exist to attack the right, he has never advanced a principled position.

                2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                  But the more interesting question is: Why are you willing to die on this hill defending him? He's not Trump, we have his own words on the transcript from his speech stating what I said, and you want to go to the mat twisting and ignoring his words to make him look better than he really is. Why? What do you think you will get out of this? A pat on the head by JD Vance?

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                  1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

                    He’s going to be the next president. Deal with it.

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                  2. Chuck the Sarcasm Police   2 days ago

                    we have his own words on the transcript from his speech stating what I said

                    False. Context matters, shitweasel. You are not the final arbiter of the Vice President's words.

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                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                      Why are you so angry? He's agreeing with you. You just don't like it that I am the one delivering the news to you.

                    2. Chuck the Sarcasm Police   1 day ago

                      Bears in trunks, Jeffy. You posed a thought experiment about releasing a bear from the trunk of your car to maul people.

                      Nobody takes you seriously. If it weren't for anonymity, you would have had the shit stomped out of you a long time ago just to get you to shut the fuck up.

          2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

            "And they certainly don’t care that deporting low-wage immigrants will raise the wages of the native-born, because they don’t mean to create higher living standards for those who are born and raised here, whether they’re black, white, or any other skin color. They mean to replace those people with people who will listen to their increasingly bizarre ethnic and religious appeals. They are arsonists, and they will make common cause with anyone willing to light the match."

            Hey, retard, do you really think this condemns immigrants as "inferior", besides political gullibility?

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            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

              They mean to replace those people with people who will listen to their increasingly bizarre ethnic and religious appeals.

              Why does Vance think that these immigrants will listen? Maybe migrants will reject those messages and will instead be receptive to the types of messages that Vance likes. Why does he not consider that? Why does Vance think, and frankly a lot of people around here think, that migrants are just programmed robots who cannot think for themselves and who will obey whatever some radical left-wing lunatic tells them to do?

              THIS is one of many reasons why you all really do think these migrants are inferior and unworthy of "being American".

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              1. Z Crazy   2 days ago

                Look what they did to Mollie Tibbets.

                Look what they did to Rachel Morin.

                Look what they did to Laken Riley.

                Look what they did in Colonge on Decem,ber 31, 2015.

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                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                  I rest my case.

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                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

                    Jeffy, tell me what it’s like to go through life without a functioning brain?

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              2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 days ago

                Why do you spend so much time defending the ones who DO swallow what every radical left-wingers says? Those that hate our country and want to overthrow it.

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                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                  Who "hates our country and want to overthrow it"? Anyone? Not even Mamdami wants that. Unlike some people around here, I don't believe in ideological litmus tests for citizenship, or for being "meaningfully American". I think it is completely possible for a citizen to be a communist and still be considered patriotic. So the people who actually do hate the whole country, yeah maybe this is not the place for them. But I don't think there is possibly more than a handful of them.

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                  1. DesigNate   1 day ago

                    "I think it is completely possible for a citizen to be a communist and still be considered patriotic."

                    Only if they keep it on a smaller, voluntary level. But then that would be real communism and not whatever clap trap the people who continually push it want.

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          3. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 days ago

            What in the fvck did you find objectionable in that speech?

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            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

              Since I'm not a blood-and-soil nationalist, a lot.

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              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   1 day ago

                No, you're obviously not. Jeffy, you're a globohomo.

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      2. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

        NO. Every worker isn't on public assistance. Try reading the post again and maybe you will make a sensible response, because this isn't a sensible response. It is a comparison of percentages you half wit. Jesus Christ no one is this stupid. Stop pretending to be.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

          Last time I presented this I asked jeff where his proof of immigration is pure profit came from. He linked to a 20 year old Brookings model that ignored half the costs and claimed they were profitable after 20 years. Hence why they rely on narratives.

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          1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

            If your preferred immigration policies had been in place 30 years ago, Elon Musk would likely not have been permitted to immigrate here. That would mean all of his inventions, if they even would have occurred at all, would have occurred somewhere else. From an economic perspective, your team's take on immigration is short-sighted and ultimately self-destructive. Yes you can spend a bunch of money keeping all the dirty foreigners out. But then you will not have the benefit of their labor and their talents in the future.

            Your plan is to tax citizens, i.e. make them poorer, in order to keep out foreigners who will add to the growing economy, i.e., make citizens even poorer in the future.

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            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

              If your preferred immigration policies had been in place 30 years ago, Elon Musk would likely not have been permitted to immigrate here.

              What the fuck are you going on about? Elon's family were wealthy as fuck and he came to the US via Canada because he could get dual citizenship from his mom. And he got his start because he figured out how to network with connected people in Silicon Valley. This wasn't some rando immigrant who bootstrapped his way up from being a dirt-poor bobbin boy like Andrew Carnegie.

              That would mean all of his inventions, if they even would have occurred at all, would have occurred somewhere else.

              And? The US would not be any poorer if he had started up Tesla and Space X in Canada versus the US. Those things were viable due to the business climate in the US, not because Musk has some sort of inherent divine power as an immigrant.

              The problem is you see "diversity" from the standpoint of an 80-90% white society, where it's limited to the 1% of the foreign elite like the Iranian doctor or Korean professor that live in your otherwise high-trust, majority white suburban whiteopia. You don't live in actual "diverse" neighborhood where the dysfunctions of such a society are manifest. Having lived in such a place myself in high school, and having other family members that grew up and lived in such places, it's not something that should be applied to US society as a whole. There's a reason these places end up being known as shitholes and socio-economic dead ends with crab bucket populations.

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              1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

                Jeff intentionally ignores legal vs illegal. He ignores 1M in visas. He ignores all the various types of visas. All to defend illegals. Because jeff is a dishonest piece of Marxist shit.

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                1. Z Crazy   2 days ago

                  He also ignores the sex attacks these dirty migrants do against white girls!

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                  1. Chumby   2 days ago

                    And daily caloric intake guidelines.

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              2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                Keep going! Every time you open your piehole you make my case for me. You don't want a 'diverse' America because to you, those 'diverse' people are shithole people and 'crab bucket populations'. You really are a white nationalist, aren't you?

                And? The US would not be any poorer if he had started up Tesla and Space X in Canada versus the US.

                This could not be a stupider statement.
                To where does Elon pay his taxes?
                Where are Elon's business establishments located?
                Whom does Elon mostly employ?
                All of the other ancillary and spinoff businesses that are generated because of Elon's work, where are they located, and whom do they hire?

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                1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

                  Keep going! Every time you open your piehole you make my case for me. You don't want a 'diverse' America because to you, those 'diverse' people are shithole people and 'crab bucket populations'. You really are a white nationalist, aren't you?

                  And every time you open your piehole, you make mine. If you had to live in an actual "diverse" neighborhood for even a year, you'd end up more racist than a Klan member. Don't wag your finger from your majority white enclave and expect me to take you seriously, like one commenter did several years ago when I pointed out he decided to raise his kids in Highlands Ranch instead of north Aurora, where I went to school. Unlike your dumb fat ass, I actually know what I'm talking about because my own two eyes saw it and experienced it for years.

                  This could not be a stupider statement.

                  I don't know if you're aware, but Elon is not keeping the US government's balance sheet afloat.

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                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                    Lots of white people live in 'diverse neighborhoods' and don't end up becoming a loser white racist like yourself. Don't blame them for your own moral failings.

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                    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

                      Lots of white people live in 'diverse neighborhoods

                      LOL, no, they don't. American migration patterns are pretty clear that lots of white people try to get as far from those neighborhoods as possible. The times they do try to move in, they're excoriated for gentrification.

                      And my dad's side of the family is beaner mestizo. So that's another cultural paradigm I know about that you don't as a fat white boy in suburban whiteopia.

                      Don't spout off like you know something, fat boy.

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                      no, they don't

                      Yes they do. White people, just like 'diverse people', aren't a monolith and don't all believe and do the same thing. If you want to argue that lots of white people are just as racist as you, then that would be a fair statement I think.

                    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

                      Yes they do.

                      No, they don't. If that was the case, "white flight" and suburban sprawl never would have existed. That's why you're resorting to the "lots of white people" generalization rather than reality.

                      White people, just like 'diverse people', aren't a monolith and don't all believe and do the same thing.

                      Yes, I realize you have to try this false dilemma of all or nothing because the reality doesn't fit your narrative.

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                      No, they don't.

                      Yes they do. YOU are the one engaging in the false generalization fallacy. Again white people, just like all people, are not a monolith and don't all agree on the same thing. You are trying to rationalize away your own racism by claiming "well that's what they all do". No, it isn't. That is what YOU chose to do. It's not inherent in your genes.

                    5. DesigNate   2 days ago

                      AI overview:

                      According to an analysis of 2020 census data, for the first time in modern American history, a majority of white people (56%) live in mixed-race neighborhoods.

                      However, it's also important to note the following:

                      Persistence of White-Majority Neighborhoods: Even though more white people live in mixed-race areas, a significant portion still resides in predominantly white neighborhoods. In 2020, 44% of white people lived in areas where at least 4 out of 5 residents were also white.

                      Disproportionately White: Despite the overall trend towards diversity, the neighborhoods where most white Americans live remain disproportionately white, especially compared to the overall racial composition of their metropolitan area.

                      Compared to other groups: Studies and census data indicate that white individuals are still more likely to live in neighborhoods where they are the majority compared to other racial and ethnic groups. This can be attributed to several factors including historical segregation, economic disparities, and systemic influences on housing options.

                      Therefore, while the majority of white people now live in mixed-race neighborhoods, a substantial portion still lives in predominantly white areas, and white individuals are more likely to live in white-majority neighborhoods than other groups are to live in neighborhoods dominated by their own race.

                    6. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

                      Yes they do.

                      No, they don't. Check out some actual demographic maps some time instead of thinking you can pull a generalized statement like "lots of white people" and your typical rhetorical smokescreens, and not get laughed out of the room.

                    7. chemjeff radical individualist   1 day ago

                      AI disagrees.


                      According to an analysis of 2020 census data, for the first time in modern American history, a majority of white people (56%) live in mixed-race neighborhoods.

                  2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                    I don't know if you're aware, but Elon is not keeping the US government's balance sheet afloat.

                    And you ignore the rest of my statement. You really do want zero immigration EVEN IF it means keeping out talented WHITE immigrants, don't you?

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                    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

                      I ignore it because it's based on a false dilemma and a strawman. Again:

                      Those things were viable due to the business climate in the US, not because Musk has some sort of inherent divine power as an immigrant.

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                      I never said Elon was some divine immigrant, that's dumb. I do claim that if Elon had not been permitted to come here, the US would be poorer as a result, and I listed several ways in which that would have happened. You chose only to focus on one, probably the least important one, of his taxes, while ignoring all the others. It is because I do think you really are a closed-borders guy who wants zero immigration even if it's white people.

                    3. DesigNate   2 days ago

                      If Elon had been initially denied immigration, he would have either bought his way in or he would have gone into business with American investors because our business climate is better suited to his pursuits than Canada’s. How do you not get this?

                  3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 days ago

                    “…..because my own two eyes saw it….”

                    Jeffs entire worldview hinges on people ignoring their lying eyes: importing massive poverty from the third world is a good thing, dudes can be chicks, etc. etc.

                    As his virtue signaling becomes more and more impotent he just gets madder. He’s close to the edge now. Saturdays thread was unhinged.

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                    1. Jefferson Paul   2 days ago

                      The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.
                      George Orwell, 1984.

                2. Chuck the Sarcasm Police   2 days ago

                  Wrong as usually, Jeffy. You had grounds to refute RRWP's statement about Musk and you completely missed the boat and revealed your own bias. You think the wealth of America comes from the government?

                  The fact is that Musk could not have started Tesla or SpaceX anywhere except the US. As bad as it is in the US, every other nation has an even longer line of grifters standing with their hand out or a gun pointed at you to take their cut. Canada is a fucking joke where a company can barely profit on maple syrup. Stuff that literally just leaks from trees.

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                  1. Chumby   2 days ago

                    The maple syrup reference did sap the weight of his argument.

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                    1. Chuck the Sarcasm Police   2 days ago

                      I went out on a limb to tap into some humor.

                      Sweet of you to notice the effort.

                  2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                    Sometimes I think your hatred for me interferes with your reading comprehension.

                    The fact is that Musk could not have started Tesla or SpaceX anywhere except the US.

                    Even if true, that is an argument against RRWP's point, not mine.

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                    1. Chuck the Sarcasm Police   20 hours ago

                      Even if true, that is an argument against RRWP's point, not mine.

                      Which is exactly what I said.

                      You had grounds to refute RRWP's statement about Musk and you completely missed the boat and revealed your own bias.

                      You don't have a reading comprehension problem. You don't care what I wrote. Just like you don't care what Vance actually said. You are not an honest person.

            2. VinniUSMC   2 days ago

              If your preferred immigration policies had been in place 30 years ago, Elon Musk would likely not have been permitted to immigrate here.

              Never stop being a dishonest retard.

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          2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

            But, as I note above, the 'welfare' argument, for the most part, is a red herring.

            You don't want to kick out migrants BECAUSE they are on welfare. You want to kick out migrants BECAUSE you think they are inferior, and their welfare usage is 'PROOF' of their inferiority. If their welfare usage was 0%, I guarantee about 99% of you would still support kicking them all out.

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            1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

              "But, as I note above, the 'welfare' argument, for the most part, is a red herring."

              This is another lie. You are lying about the impact and costs illegals and phony asylum seekers are having on the various programs.

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              1. Z Crazy   2 days ago

                He prertends the Colonge sex attacks never happened.

                Is he gonna deny the Holocaust next?

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            2. rbike (Retardfinder@ Reason)   1 day ago

              Found one.

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          3. Chuck the Sarcasm Police   2 days ago

            Even childrens' cartoons used to mock the "I would gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" mentality. The left owns academia and the media.

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        2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

          Lying Jeffy is a psychopathic liar.

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          1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

            He really is. He lies even when he doesn't need to, just because it is his nature and his entertainment.

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            1. Chumby   2 days ago

              He fibs reluctantly and strategically.

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      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

        People with ancestors who fought in the Civil War have more of a claim to "being American" than people who showed up yesterday, despite their beliefs.

        It's almost like being an American is more substantive than just saying so, kind of like a man insisting that he's a woman despite the fact that he isn't.

        You don't even believe this nation should have enforceable borders, don't act like you have a claim to any sort of patriotic feeling whatsoever.

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

          But a core leftist value is the sanctity of belief. Although they despise traditional religion, they demand we accept their statements of faith. Because they feel really, really hard.

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        2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

          Yes, Team Red is catching up to your blood-and-soil nationalism. Congratulations?

          This type of nationalism inevitably ends in conflict and war. Because once you have a bunch of people who think they are superior to everyone else because of their birth, and they have a lot of guns, what is to stop them from just taking what they want from those people in other countries who are inferior to them?

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          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

            War is a natural part of human existence. That you internationalists have been trying to pretend otherwise is a big part of why we have such overweening governments these days. The whole point of marxism is the delusional belief that the entire planet can be brought under a stateless form where everyone lives like a king.

            And yes, I realize having patriotism for the US gives you freaks the hives.

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            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

              Oh I'm a patriot. I'm just not a nationalist.

              A patriot is someone who loves his/her country and wants that country to succeed. A patriot will reflect upon the bad things that the country has done in the past and will attempt to do better in the future.

              A nationalist is someone who has a specific political agenda that USES feelings of patriotism to emotionally manipulate people into supporting that agenda. A nationalist would have you believe that the country is always right no matter what, and that "if you don't agree with X you aren't a real patriot" where X is some specific policy like gun ownership or banning abortion.

              A patriot wants every citizen to succeed regardless of their views. A nationalist wants only those citizens who subscribe to their particular agenda to succeed, and labels all the others as "insufficiently patriotic".

              That's the difference.

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              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

                A patriot is someone who loves his/her country and wants that country to succeed.

                Get the fuck out of here. Your side doesn't even LIKE this country. The stats came out from Gallup a few days ago to prove it.

                A patriot wants every citizen to succeed regardless of their views.

                No, a patriot doesn't tolerate subversives who want to destroy their country and rape their kids.

                A globalist will never be a patriot because they will always put foreigners over citizens. That's why you always use "MERICA!" as a pejorative, as you can't stand the idea that citizens might be prioritized instead.

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                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                  Your side doesn't even LIKE this country. The stats came out from Gallup a few days ago to prove it.

                  I wasn't aware Gallup did polling of libertarians. But I speak the truth, I love this country.

                  A globalist will never be a patriot because they will always put foreigners over citizens.

                  That's the nationalism talking. You see it as a zero-sum game - if foreigners have rights, it must mean they were taken away from citizens. I believe both foreigners and citizens have "inalienable rights" that a just government is duty-bound to respect. You see foreigners exercising rights and claim "that's putting foreigners above citizens". That is the difference between having a creedal nation and your blood-and-soil nationalism. I believe anyone is welcome here as long as they broadly agree with what we have going on here. You view America as a tribe that must jealously guard its riches against foreign plunderers.

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                  1. Chuck the Sarcasm Police   2 days ago

                    I believe both foreigners and citizens have "inalienable rights" that a just government is duty-bound to respect. You see foreigners exercising rights and claim "that's putting foreigners above citizens".

                    You are an insufferable cunt. Those things are not mutually exclusive. Especially when the "rights" foreigners are exercising are governmental handouts of taxpayer monies through grant awards.

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                  2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

                    I wasn't aware Gallup did polling of libertarians. But I speak the truth, I love this country.

                    That has as much credibility as an academic saying it, i.e. none.

                    I believe both foreigners and citizens have "inalienable rights" that a just government is duty-bound to respect.

                    No, child molesters do not have inalienable rights.

                    You view America as a tribe that must jealously guard its riches against foreign plunderers.

                    Glad you admit that you think the US is a paypiggy for foreigners.

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                    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   1 day ago

                      "...No, child molesters do not have inalienable rights..."

                      Possibly turd got tossed again.

                  3. Jefferson Paul   2 days ago

                    I believe anyone is welcome here as long as they broadly agree with what we have going on here.

                    And with the border wide open for years before this, what was the vetting process to ensure the migrants broadly agreed with what we have going on here?

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                  4. DesigNate   1 day ago

                    Communists, Marxists, and Jihadist don't "broadly agree with what we have going on here"....

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              2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 days ago

                That’s not remotely what “Nationalist” means, you dishonest simpleton.

                It’s more of your fever dream

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                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                  I think it's pretty close. What is your definition of a nationalist?

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                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

                    You say that like being a nationalist is a bad thing.

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              3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 days ago

                Lol. No Jeff. You obsess (not reflect) “upon the bad things that the country has done in the past….” and you think collective guilt over the past requires self flagellation in the present.

                The clock is ticking on white guilt, fat boy, and that just pisses you off. Haha.

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                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                  I can imagine that to easily triggered MAGA snowflakes such as yourself, simply mentioning the history of slavery in America would lead you to believe that I am "obsessing" over it. "Like OMG that was so long ago!"

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          2. Marshal   2 days ago

            once you have a bunch of people who think they are superior

            False "fact" Jeffey made up...

            what is to stop them from just taking what they want from those people in other countries

            Idiotic conclusion Jeffey made up the "fact" to support.

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            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

              once you have a bunch of people who think they are superior

              I didn't state it as a fact. I stated it as a hypothetical conjecture.

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              1. Marshal   2 days ago

                Right, you invent obviously false assertions to support conclusions they are clearly idiotic.

                "The moon is made of green cheese so our astronauts should be able to harvest some for food".

                In real life we would never say this because the penalty for acting as if this stupidity is actually true is death. But politics is different. Some people are so completely without integrity or honesty they will say anything to support the team. The fact that participating in such a hate campaign drives some people to kill and many others to ruin or waste their lives is just collateral damage. The important takeaway is that propagandizing hate delivers votes to Team Blue and nothing else matters.

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                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                  Oh, so we went from "It's a fact" to "It's an assertion". This is how you correct yourself without saying you're correcting yourself.

                  So I've noticed something about Team Red argumentation style. FROM WHAT I'VE OBSERVED (meaning: not stating as an absolute fact, not stating it is true of every single Republican), there is a tendency to "argue by mockery": to declare a claim is false by just stating how ridiculous they think it is and mocking it, but never offering any reason why they think the claim is false. I think the idea is to try to gaslight the arguer into feeling ashamed of his/her own claim and thereby withdraw it without it ever being refuted.

                  Example:
                  "I think the Dodgers will win the World Series this year."
                  "Really? That's ridiculous! That's the stupidest thing I've heard all year! What kind of moron believes that? Are you stupid?"

                  Never offered: any concrete reason why the Dodgers might not win the World Series.

                  ML and JesseBot are masters at this type of dishonest argumentation style. And here you are doing it too. You are taking my plainly stated assertion and just ridiculing it by comparing it to something obviously false, without ever stating why you think it is false.

                  I believe that the type of blood-and-soil nationalism that is currently being promoted by JD Vance, Charlie Kirk, and others, inevitably leads to conflict and war because this type of nationalism is predicated on a belief that one's own citizens are superior to the citizens of any other country, and that with that superiority, comes an inevitable desire to try to take by force if necessary the things that other nations possess.

                  So maybe instead of discussing whether the Moon is made of green cheese, you can start by addressing these claims.

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                  1. Marshal   2 days ago

                    I believe that the type of blood-and-soil nationalism that is currently being promoted by JD Vance, Charlie Kirk, and others,

                    Of course you do, because you're a left winger who lives and breathes the narrative. Facts were never necessary for you to believe this which is why when pressed to produce them you lie.

                    To convince others you need to:

                    1. Show us how you reached this conclusion. The only evidence you provided so far turned out to be a lie so that's not a good start. For your sake I hope you have something better but I suspect it's more wishcasting.

                    2. Explain how these handful of believers show that everyone on the right agrees. Pay special attention to the fact that you're always ranting that applying positions from single individuals to entire groups is a logical fallacy and why it is ok in this instance.

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                  2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 days ago

                    Lol. “…..try to take by force if necessary the things that other nations possess.”

                    What the fuck are you on about, fat boy? We’re trying to give other nations their citizens back. You know, the illegal aliens who snuck into this country, cuz it’s obviously not superior to their own or anything.

                    What a dumbass.

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            2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

              Ironically jeff has literally used the jobs Americans won't do narrative because he thinks migrant jobs are beneath him.

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          3. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 days ago

            Here, Jeffy perfectly summarizes why we should keep Merxists and Islamacists out of our country, without knowing he did

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          4. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 days ago

            “…..what is to stop them from just taking what they want from those people in other countries….?”

            Lol. The irony…. What a moron.

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      4. Marshal   2 days ago

        Team MAGA doesn't want them here because they are regarded as inferior people,

        The interesting point about this isn't that Jeffsarc makes up lies about what others believe. It's that they constantly scream bloody murder that others do that to them. So when they make that accusation the response is "so what, that's your primary propaganda method".

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        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

          It's my logical deduction based on my observations. Sorry not sorry that it offends you.

          And this is part of your propaganda technique: you tend to want to turn every issue into one of hypocrisy. It's all a game of whataboutism and relativism instead of a discussion about anything real. In so doing you deflect and drag the conversation down to nothing more than a shouting match. Which is the point, because the substance of the conversation is then lost.

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          1. Marshal   2 days ago

            you tend to want to turn every issue into one of hypocrisy.

            I point out you have to violate your own supposed principles in order to support your conclusions. You do this because adhering to the standards you apply to others means your conclusions cannot be supported. If you were actually a logical thinker you would respond by either changing your conclusions or changing the standards you use to criticize others.

            It's not about hypocrisy, it's about how your desire to support a predetermined conclusion causes you to ignore that the facts don't actually support it.

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            1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

              Let me guess, you try to stuff words in my mouth because you think that is what I do to everyone else? That "it's only fair"?

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              1. Marshal   2 days ago

                you try to stuff words in my mouth

                I have not done that, but if I did would that be wrong? According to the principles you criticize others on that is perfectly acceptable.

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                1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                  Note that in this discussion you have not once tried to argue for or against my claims. It is all about arguing against the person, my supposed hypocrisy, my supposed lack of principles. This demonstrates why YOU are really here. It's just to tear people down. In my opinion.

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                  1. Marshal   2 days ago

                    Note that in this discussion you have not once tried to argue for or against my claims.

                    That's right, I care about principles. You can claim to think government should control speech and as long as you don't lie I probably won't say anything. But when you claim to support free speech but defended the government working with industry allies to inhibit Americans' free speech I'm going to point that out. That contradiction is important context.

                    I don't much care if this bothers you and I don't much care if you pretend this is somehow illegitimate. Your developing a theory that you shouldn't be expected to apply the same principles to everyone is completely consistent with your personal brand.

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                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                      But when you claim to support free speech but defended the government working with industry allies to inhibit Americans' free speech I'm going to point that out.

                      And here we get to the nub of the problem. When I claim to support free speech, what you instinctively do is impose your meaning of that phrase onto me. You don't listen to what *I* mean when I say I support free speech. So you condemn me for not agreeing to YOUR understanding of my principles. And I completely agree, I do not obey your understanding of my principles. I do obey my own principles, which you utterly refuse to listen to or understand.

                      You are smart enough to know this, which is why you are just a cheap charlatan at this point. Just screaming "hypocrisy!!!" to get a rise out of people. You're just a wordsier version of Troll Mac.

                    2. Marshal   1 day ago

                      When I claim to support free speech, what you instinctively do is impose your meaning of that phrase onto me.

                      No, we each describe what free speech is and people reject your version because it's such an embarrassingly transparent attempt to defend Team Blue.

                      You're perfectly free to explain why you think government working with industry allies to suppress Americans' speech is a free speech position. But you can't so you try to frame my criticism as illegitimate. But that doesn't work like it does around the drum circle because people out here don't all have their livelihoods tied to far left institutions.

        2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

          Both of them also scream we need them to do inferior jobs as maids and farming. He is projecting his own racist views.

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          1. Chumby   2 days ago

            Imagine being squirrel’s orderly. Or Biden’s!

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    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

      But it's worth it for food trucks and cheap strawberries, right?

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    3. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      This has been known for years. They just prefer narratives to the truth.

      Meanwhile they encourage kicking citizens to welfare to bring in cheap labor.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

        But some people prefer not being government dependents, and need to be encouraged.

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  10. TJJ2000   2 days ago

    New Title worded correctly...
    Reason writers & Zero-Tax Import-Consumerism fans threatens U.S. citizens with MORE domestic taxes.

    How about 75% taxes for Democrats and 25% taxes for Republicans? At least pretend to be fair eh?

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    1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

      The same people having the vapors over tariffs will in the next breath talk about the need to eliminate the income tax and replace it with a VAT, because consumption taxes are great, unless they adversely affect someone's corporate masters.

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      1. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

        But a VAT is the worst possible kind of consumption tax. It is specifically designed to try to hide the tax, making it impossible to really know how much tax is being paid.

        It's not transparent. It's complex. It's costly for companies to comply with.

        A final retail point-of-sale consumption tax would be transparent, trivially defined, and easily collected.

        "The value added to a product by or with a business is the sale price charged to its customer, minus the cost of materials and other taxable inputs. A VAT is like a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_tax in that ultimately only the end consumer is taxed. It differs from the sales tax in that, with the latter, the tax is collected and remitted to the government only once, at the point of purchase by the end consumer. With the VAT, collections, remittances to the government, and credits for taxes already paid occur each time a business in the supply chain purchases products." [Wikipedia]

        VAT is a jobs program for tax collectors and bookkeepers. If you want to tax consumption, at least do it in the simplest way possible.

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        1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

          I absolutely agree. It would be just as invasive and much less transparent than the income tax. I have never been a VAT supporter. My point, however, is that the virtues of a VAT, that it would tax consumption and encourage people to save and invest rather than consume, are also virtues of tariffs. Somehow, that never gets mentioned when talking about tariffs, however.

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          1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

            Because Trump.

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          2. Marshal   2 days ago

            Sales, VAT, and tariffs also reduce tax cheating. It's easier to monitor businesses and the potential penalties are greater so fewer are willing to cheat.

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        2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

          And a reminder: a national sales tax would need to tack on around 30% to replace personal and business income taxes.

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        3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

          Similarly, I want to do away with payroll tax deductions, so people have to write big checks every April 15. It might just make them more concerned about government spending.

          And it will also fix the idiots who think a tax refund is a gift.

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          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

            In that case, Election Day needs to be April 16.

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            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 day ago

              Perfect.

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          2. DesigNate   2 days ago

            People would lose their shit so fast when they spent the year spending their whole paycheck just to turn around in April and be told they owe thousands of dollars.

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          3. Jefferson Paul   2 days ago

            Milton Friedman helped pioneer the income tax withholding system during WWII, but later admitted it was a big mistake for the same reason you point out.

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          4. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 days ago

            Damn straight. The government should send each of us a bill in an equal amount (not rate) every year.

            You could watch the tolerance for government bloat and waste evaporate in an instant. So many newly unemployed government parasites. And no more welfare. One can dream…..

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    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 days ago

      Actually the democrats, along with all other subsets of Marxism, should have a 100% income tax and a 100% property tax. The goverment will see to their housing and food needs. It's what they want

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      1. TJJ2000   2 days ago

        Humorously. There is and never was anything in the USA that has prevented democrats from starting-up their own pay-it-themselves Commie-Utopia by contract through an organization, co-op or club-membership.

        Which really shines the light on their BS being completely and entirely about using 'GUNS' against those 'icky' people so they don't have to PAY but instead just legalize STEALING but just for their [WE] Identify-as (enter race, gender, wealth-status, etc) gang.

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        1. TJJ2000   2 days ago

          A Commie-Utopia is completely imaginative by criminal-excusive minds.
          'Guns' don't make sh*t. Theft produces nothing. It's a Zero-Sum resources game of criminals.

          The only humanitarian use of Gun-Forces (Gov-Guns) is to defend Individual Liberty and ensure Justice for all.

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          1. TJJ2000   2 days ago

            Or in a single sentence...

            NO! STEALING does NOT 'help' societies at-all.
            Something any 1st grader should have the sense to recognize.

            Contrary to the BS leftard criminal-minds indoctrination tries to preach.

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            1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 days ago

              Thanks for clarifying, teej. I was on the edge of my seat trying to figure out your meaning.

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  11. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    Biden did not individually approve each name for the categorical pardons that applied to large numbers of people, he and aides confirmed...

    You don't say. If we start down the slippery slope of who was actually president last year, where will we end up? No one wants a constitutional crisis.

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    1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

      If Pam Bondi were not as worthless as tits on a boar, she would indict one of these people and force them to raise the pardon as an affirmative defense. We could then put all of these people under oath and litigate whether these pardons were knowingly granted.

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      1. MollyGodiva   2 days ago

        That makes no sense. Tits on boars have a very important role in feeding baby boars.

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        1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

          A female pig is a sow. A boar is a male pig.

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          1. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

            Trump's only been back in power six months and already you're back to assuming gender identities.

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          2. DesigNate   2 days ago

            Hey, don’t pick on the Doc, she’s not a biologist for God’s sake.

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        2. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

          Are you really that stupid?

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          1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 days ago

            Yes, 1000x yes

            Go read his contributions over at Volokh.
            Justice KBJ is our leading judicial mind who writes and reasons better than the other 8 SCOTUSes put together. She will be studied for generations, per Molly

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            1. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

              https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2025/07/09/ketanji-i-dont-understand-brown-jackson-n3804610

              A good portion of her extended courtroom interrogatories, unsurprisingly, begin with 'I don't understand.' So much so that they've actually been able to compile what might be called a KBJ Don't Get It Greatest Hits video.

              It's brutal, but it's all her.

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            2. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ketanji-brown-jackson-has-absolutely-had-it-with-her-fellow-supreme-court-justices/ar-AA1IigLI

              Her opinions, sometimes joined by no other justice, have been the subject of scornful criticism from the right and have raised questions about her relationships with her fellow justices, including the other two members of its liberal wing.

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            3. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

              https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14891011/Justice-Ketanji-Brown-Jackson-dissents-supreme-court-MARK-HALPERIN.html

              The ugly gossip in Washington about Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson... as she's rebuked by Supreme Court peers on both the right AND left

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            4. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/every-scotus-justice-seems-annoyed-at-ketanji-brown-jackson-even-the-other-libs/ar-AA1Iwrxl

              During Supreme Court oral argument today, Justice Sotomayor CUT OFF Justice Jackson when she questioned a lawyer- "just let him finish," Sotomayor interjected.

              “I just feel that I have a wonderful opportunity to tell people, in my opinions, how I feel about the issues,” she told ABC News Live Prime anchor Linsey Davis. “And that’s what I try to do.”

              Her statement sparked questions about whether she fundamentally misunderstands her role as a judge.

              “Someone should tell Justice Jackson that her job is to uphold the law and defend the Constitution, not share how she ‘feels’ about specific issues brought before the Supreme Court,” JCN President Carrie Severino wrote on X.

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            5. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/jonathan-turley-says-ketanji-brown-jackson-is-struggling-to-get-liberal-justices-to-side-with-her/ar-AA1IgXfQ

              “It’s particularly interesting from [Jackson]. It’s not long ago that Justice Barrett went after Justice Jackson for what she described as basically an imperial judiciary,” Turley said. “And on this occasion, Jackson is alone. She couldn’t even get Justice Sotomayor to sign onto this dissent. Keep in mind, what Sotomayor noted in her concurrence is that this order was simply having agencies plan for downsizing and she said we can hardly stop that. Well, yeah, Jackson believes you can and this is part of a signature of what’s becoming some sort of a judicial abandon that Jackson has towards the power of these courts.”

              “We’ve seen this interesting progression in these injunction cases. In an earlier case, Justices Sotomayor and Jackson lost Justice Kagan who would not sign on. Now Jackson has lost Justice Sotomayor and she is the sole dissenter,” Turley added.

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            6. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

              Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson Continues to Make a Fool of Herself

              Ketanji Brown Jackson's remarks on democracy spark laughter amid criticism from colleagues.

              OMG: Now a LIBERAL Supreme Court justice is trying to teach Justice Ketanji Jackson how this whole "judicial" thing works...

              Jackson is the ONLY dissent. Sotomayor has to remind Jackson, for some reason, that the case before them is NOT about what Jackson thought it was.

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              1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

                This is why you can’t have chicks in charge.

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          2. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

            It’s Molly, and yes, she’s really that retarded.

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          3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 days ago

            Lol. Yes. Molly chose that comment as her jumping in point today.

            Outstanding.

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          4. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   1 day ago

            You have to ask?!

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        3. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

          Don't you claim to have a doctorate...

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          1. Chumby   2 days ago

            Devry now offer them?

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            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

              DeVry, my ass, that’s a University of Phoenix special there.

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        4. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 days ago

          Lol. Not a farm girl, eh professor?

          Or familiar with euphemisms. Jeff can probably help you with that. He has a bear in his trunk.

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  12. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    Unfortunately for landlords...

    The commies are coming.

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  13. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    Four Shark Tank businesses talk about how hard it is to survive the tariff landscape.

    Ours or theirs?

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

      Hey, just like slavery, the US invented and is the sole user of tariffs. Just ask any Reason writer.

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      1. Vernon Depner   2 days ago

        We need higher tariffs on slaves.

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    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      Sounds like a business opportunity for domestic manufacturing.

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  14. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

    That's just, like, your opinion man...

    [and it's just plain wrong]

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/why-americans-should-consider-giving-up-their-guns/ss-BB1re4qT

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    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 days ago

      Get another gun? Okay

      Just read the article. It should have said why black people should give up their guns

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      1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

        I love antique weapons as much as anyone. And we all get attached to the ones we have. It probably is a good idea to give up your guns for new ones every ten years or so. It gives you a chance to try out something new and ensures that your guns are always in good working condition. Solid advice.

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        1. Idaho-Bob   2 days ago

          It probably is a good idea to give up your guns for new ones every ten years or so.

          Ten years does not antiquate firearms. Shitty maintenance may render some guns obsolete, but not simple aging.

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          1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

            Yes, I agree. I was just being flippant, playing on the idea of "giving up your guns". There is no reason to ever give up a gun, unless you are just tired of owning it and want something different.

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          2. Social Justice is neither   2 days ago

            Boating accidents are rough on firearm maintenance.

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        2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 days ago

          I just got a new gun! It was made in '45...well new to me

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          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

            1745? Cuz that's what my neighbor claims the Second Amendment applies to.

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            1. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

              Does he think that 1st Amendment applies only to letterpress printing like Ben Franklin used?

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              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   1 day ago

                Actually, yes. A real fan of Biden's Ministry of Truth, and sad it was abandoned.

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    2. Idaho-Bob   2 days ago

      The entire article reads like a 1990's Brady Campaign flyer.

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    3. Chumby   2 days ago

      How can I give them up when they were all lost in a boating accident?

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    4. Yuno Hoo   2 days ago

      Children are often the victims

      And don't even get me started about swimming pools!

      The Second Amendment is outdated

      Perhaps you meant the Fourteenth?

      Firearms fuel gang violence

      And don't even get me started about baseball bats!

      Americans deserve to feel safe

      "Deserve's got nothing to do with it."

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      1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 days ago

        Slow clap for the unforgiven quote

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      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

        "Americans deserve to feel safe"

        And by Americans we mean chronically oppressed womyn and all those liberal snowflake Gen Zers with clinical levels of anxiety and depression. Also anyone with purple hair.

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        1. Idaho-Bob   2 days ago

          I feel safer when I'm carrying. In fact, I am safer while armed.

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          1. Chumby   2 days ago

            Assuming it is not a P320.

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        2. Z Crazy   2 days ago

          Do people living in the ghetto feel safe?

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    5. MollyGodiva   2 days ago

      As a flaming liberal all I have to say is "Hell no". I am keeping my guns and getting more.

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    6. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

      I'll give up my guns when you AWFL wine moms give up your booze, Anne. Over twice as many people die from alcohol-related causes as from firearms every year, and that's including suicides that you fucking gun-grabbers throw in to fluff up your hysteria.

      The reality is that unless you live in a "diverse" neighborhood, your chances of being killed by someone with a firearm are ridiculously low, even when you include school shootings. And that would be far less of a problem if your shithead social class didn't claim that the Columbine shootings were caused by "jock bullying," rather than Harris and Klebold being a couple of sociopathic fuckups, because now those assholes are the poster children for every disaffected retard in the country.

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  15. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    Because of the fact that Rosie O'Donnell is not in the best interests of our Great Country, I am giving serious consideration to taking away her Citizenship.

    "Serious."

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    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 days ago

      I wonder how the illegal rag heads in Ireland are going to treat her "no binary" daughter

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      1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

        Hey, don't be too naive here. Muslim immigration does have downsides.

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  16. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    How socialism seduced New Yorkers.

    Public education, same as always.

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      40% were not born in the US. Importing socialism seems to work.

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      1. Spiritus Mundi   2 days ago

        Liz having to suffer the consquences of her open borders agenda is delicious.

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        1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

          Too stupid to move out of town.

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          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

            Austin didnt have enough cocktail parties so she chose NYC.

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  17. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

    Yet another media attempt at an illegal alien sob story...

    "My dad isn't a criminal"

    [Father pleads guilty to felony immigration-related crimes]

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/my-dad-isn-t-a-criminal-facing-charges-scared-detainees-choose-fast-track-deportation/ar-AA1IsWPU

    She looked at her dad, Juan Hurtado Solano, seated next to his public defender. He turned around and smiled. Minutes later, he pleaded guilty to illegally reentering the United States, a federal crime with a potential punishment of up to two years in prison and $250,000 fine.

    While entering the country without the proper documentation is a misdemeanor, reentering the United States after already being deported is a federal felony, according to U.S. Code 1326, Reentry of Illegal Aliens.

    Amid President Donald Trump's crackdown on illegal immigration, more people are being charged for illegal reentry into the United States. And many of those defendants are pleading guilty and agreeing not to challenge their case or removal because of fears of getting stuck in the immigration system, spending more time in detention, or being deported to a country that is not their own.

    Hurtado's father didn't make the decision lightly. He spoke to his wife and kids. Ultimately, Hurtado said it was the best-case scenario.

    "If you're just going to get sent back regardless, let's just speed up with the process because I wouldn't want my dad to sit there any longer anyway," Hurtado said, adding she would prefer to FaceTime him while he's in Mexico rather than the alternative.

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    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 days ago

      Send her back too

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    2. Michael Ejercito   2 days ago

      Do you remember Tom Fallon?

      https://www.presstelegram.com/2019/07/19/long-beach-man-gets-10-years-in-prison-for-embezzling-injured-workers-funds-using-some-to-open-cigar-shop/

      How could it have been fair to separate him from his family?

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    3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

      OMG! It's like he was busted a second time for smoking a joint! That totally makes him a FELON and we should all feel bad for sticking up for him!

      Calling this guy a FELON carries about as much weight with me as calling Donald Trump a FELON carries with you.

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      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

        You considered J6ers felons.

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        1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

          Hey, parading AND trespassing. Embezzling injured workers funds is peanuts compared to that.

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          1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

            SHOOT THEM IN THE FACE!

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            1. Chumby   2 days ago

              They might have been armed.

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    4. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

      And I bet this part made you feel warm and fuzzy:

      And many of those defendants are pleading guilty and agreeing not to challenge their case or removal because of fears of getting stuck in the immigration system, spending more time in detention, or being deported to a country that is not their own.

      They are pleading guilty because they don't want to be abused by the US immigration system. Congratulations, you got what you want. You're deterring immigration by permitting the government to abuse and oppress the people whom it catches.

      "America! Land of the Free! Where we throw migrants into cages and then lecture the rest of the world about freedom and liberty! USA! USA! USA!"

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      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

        Sorry that you're losing your revolutionary vanguard, fat boy.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

          Hes more worried about his access to illegals children.

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          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

            I hear Jeff wants to open a special home for anchor babies who can stay in the US when their parents get deported.

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      2. Marshal   2 days ago

        How insane they're expected to follow the immigration rules! We all know rules are for white people.

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        1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

          Tell us Marshal:

          When a migrant (or anyone) is placed into government custody, does the government have some obligation for fair and humane treatment of that person? Such as, say, access to clean potable drinking water? Food that doesn't have worms? Access to basic hygiene?

          Or can the government do whatever it likes to the migrants, and the migrants have no room to complain because "it's their fault"?

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          1. Marshal   2 days ago

            Why is that relevant when your position is that they shouldn't be arrested or interfered with at all? Are you having a hard time keeping track of the issues?

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          2. rbike (Retardfinder@ Reason)   1 day ago

            Retard of the day .
            Again

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            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   1 day ago

              Jeffy's angling for Retard of the Year.

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    5. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      Also a felony to stay 60 days past final deportation orders. Yet we have what seems like hundreds of cases in violation.

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  18. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    Paul Ehrlich, unapologetic author of a mass sterilization campaign, deserves a thousand times more hate than he has gotten.

    Some day we'll talk the same way about climate alarmists.

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    1. Chumby   2 days ago

      Descendants of those from Doggerland agree.

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      1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

        Pleistocene automobiles and cow farts created a 300 foot rise in sea level.

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        1. Chumby   2 days ago

          Apparently the 8.2k event was disastrous for those Doggerland residents.

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          1. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

            Was that when Lake Agassiz let go?

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        2. Randy Sax   2 days ago

          The cow farts thing is especially egregious. Kids learn about the water cycle in kindergarten, but not the methane cycle. Same principal, after they fart it, it goes back into the new grass.

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        3. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 days ago

          Surf up dude!

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          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

            The biggest surfer days were in the Channeled Scablands of eastern Washington. Wet suit required.

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            1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 days ago

              No the biggest surfer days are after you rob a bank while wearing a mask of an ex president

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              1. Chumby   2 days ago

                Sarc and Jeff’s Excrement Adventure

                Oh. Wrong Keanu movie.

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                1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

                  Starring sqrsly?

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                  1. Chumby   2 days ago

                    He claims it did poorly at the box office due to a smear campaign.

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    2. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

      UN official joins long list of “environmentalists” telling the truth…

      Ayisha Siddiqa, a “Climate Advisor to the UN General Secretary”:

      “You want to know why I got into climate activism, it wasn’t because I wanted to protect the environment (although that is a very valid reason). I became involved [because] the West slaughtered, bombed and starved my people to death in the name of oil. And no one talks about it,” she wrote.

      “When I think of fossil fuel, I don’t think of pollution… I think of… organized terrorism and I think of demolished democracies at the hands of the West,” she wrote in a separate post in November 2020.

      Wikipedia: Throughout her activism Ayisha has described herself as a Socialist with Marxist leanings. She has also denounced Capitalism as a purveyor of the world’s problems. She has tweeted on multiple occasions for the destruction of the West and that of White people.

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      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

        WTF is this bitch talking about? She's a fucking Paki, "her people" weren't the ones with the oil.

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

          Hey, all oppressed people under the boot of Big Oil are brothers and sisters. And whatever other genders are allowed based on local Sharia law.

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        2. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

          She's a descendent of the Mughal's FFS. They gained their empire through slaughter. And they're one of the few groups who could give the Brahmins a run for their money when it came to being privileged elite.

          Also, the West never slaughtered, bombed and starved her people to death, even in the name of oil. In fact, during WW2 the British and Australians took an enormous risk and used money and equipment that they couldn't afford to fend off the famine in the Raj caused by the predatory practices of upper class. The same group her family was part of.

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    3. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

      Rep. Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabarti, made the revealing admission in a meeting with Democratic Washington Gov. Jay Inslee’s climate director in May. A Washington Post reporter accompanied Chakrabarti to the meeting for a magazine profile published Wednesday: “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all...Do you guys think of it as a climate thing? Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing,” he added.

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      1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

        They can't help bragging about how they're tricking 70 year old CNN watchers.

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      2. Chuck the Sarcasm Police   2 days ago

        When they finally resort to telling the truth, it is because they know you can't do anything about it any more. The socialists know they have completed their march through the Democrat party.

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      3. DesigNate   1 day ago

        Jeff has assured us that nobody on the left wants to fundamentally change America.

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    4. mad.casual   2 days ago

      Some day we'll talk the same way about climate alarmists.

      Sure. Right after the Fauci's leg stops twitching from the hanging.

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  19. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    He launched them. He didn't take over existing satellites. They weren't there before.

    Space now has to deal with unfettered South African immigration.

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    1. mad.casual   2 days ago

      In space, no one can hear your satellites *chirp*!

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  20. Longtobefree   2 days ago

    " . . . trying to suss out whether the former president was really in control toward the end of his term . . . "

    Almost as hard as determining the sun will rise in the east tomorrow.

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  21. Longtobefree   2 days ago

    "It all seems like a make-work program for Department of Buildings enforcers and a jobs program for people involved in retrofitting buildings."

    More like make work for demolition crews and moving vans - - - - -

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  22. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

    '"Biden did not individually approve each name for the categorical pardons that applied to large numbers of people, he and aides confirmed," The New York Times reported yesterday. "Rather, after extensive discussion of different possible criteria, he signed off on the standards he wanted to be used to determine which convicts would qualify for a reduction in sentence.'

    "Extensive"? Like you and me extensive, or old senile man waiting for his pre-nap ice cream extensive?

    Anyway, for the Times to make any admission of Biden's senility again demonstrates the 21st century definition of "conspiracy": a deflection of any contradiction to the official Democratic narrative, which later proves to be a valid challenge, and which the Democrats will grudgingly admit was largely true.

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    1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

      DOJ needs to indict someone for conduct covered by one of these pardons. Let them raise the pardon as an affirmative defense. Then litigate whether the pardon was knowingly granted. That would all of these people in court and under oath explaining exactly how all this worked. That would be enlightening to say the least. That is the only way to do this. If you call them before Congress, they will just plead the fifth. If you call them before a court litigating the validity of a pardon, they can plead the fifth all they like, but doing so will doom the person who you have indicted.

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  23. Use the Schwartz   2 days ago

    *Checks Notes*

    SpaceX is a company that makes and launches satellites.

    Hmmm, veeeeery interesting...

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    1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

      Wait, really?

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      1. Use the Schwartz   2 days ago

        Yeah, weird right?

        It would certainly explain Elon Musk's weird obsession with the product of his own company...

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        1. Chumby   2 days ago

          Not dissimilar to Reason editors discussing cocktail parties?

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  24. Spiritus Mundi   2 days ago

    Given the headline, it might of been pertinent to include the news that the US posts $27 billion budget surplus in June, the first June surplus since 2017

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    1. Yuno Hoo   2 days ago

      "Hey, I found a quarter on the sidewalk! That'll really help out with my credit card debt!"

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

        This is without all the cuts coming from reconciliation or through recissions. This is a surprise on the Joe spend plan.

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      2. Spiritus Mundi   2 days ago

        Your right, best to spend that quater on a gumball and run up more credit card debt. I mean, $27 billion is jump change. If you can't fix it all at once why bother.

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    2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

      Oh, so you ARE in favor of raising taxes then...

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      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

        Just on you, Jeffy, a stupid tax on people just like you.

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  25. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

    'Scenes from New York: Unfortunately for landlords—and anyone who wants to rent housing at a semi-reasonable price in New York City—mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani, who won the Democratic primary last month, absolutely loves Local Law 97.

    'This is a climate-related measure, passed by city council (arguably almost as bad at policy as Mamdani) back in 2019, that forces landlords to make very expensive upgrades to reduce the greenhouse gas emissions of their buildings.'

    Great! Even gooder and harder!

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    1. Eeyore   2 days ago

      Burning them down prevents them from consuming more energy.

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    2. Chumby   2 days ago

      Did that get put in the back burner?

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  26. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

    "This is why I moved to Ireland."

    But doesn't Ireland hate women and have near-fascist abortion restrictions? I mean, who can get their shit together in only 12 weeks?

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  27. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

    'A Just Asking Questions to watch/listen to: How socialism seduced New Yorkers.'

    A better question to ask: How New York seduced socialists.

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  28. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

    'Paul Ehrlich, unapologetic author of a mass sterilization campaign, deserves a thousand times more hate than he has gotten. His name should be mud.'

    Maybe put Ehrlich on the kill list with O'Donnell.

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    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 days ago

      It should be Mudd, not mud.

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      1. Jefferson Paul   2 days ago

        Yeah, I learned that from watching National Treasure.

        Great movie, even if the premise is absurd.

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  29. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

    'The socialist mind struggles to comprehend this'

    That's a huge assumption about "mind" right there.

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    1. Dillinger   2 days ago

      in the sentence, does "this" represent "everything"?

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  30. Use the Schwartz   2 days ago

    "Rather than ask Mr. Biden to keep signing revised versions, his staff waited and then ran the final version through the autopen, which they saw as a routine procedure, the aide said."

    This is astonishing, but also not.

    So who was in charge? The Politburo? So we've been organized like a communist country for four years now? Except the decisions of the US Politburo are not ratified by any Central Committee.

    The Politburo ratifies the Politburo.

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    1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

      Who was in charge? No one. It was just a collection of powerful interests operating independently over various fiefdoms. Come to thin of it, that is how real communism actually works.

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    2. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

      This is one of the biggest scandals in American administrative history.

      They're going to need to set up an investigation into which of the EOs was actually valid and people who were imitating the president and issuing them should probably land up in jail.

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      1. tracerv   1 day ago

        None of that will happen. Absolutely zilch.

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  31. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 days ago

    '...a criminal con man sexual abusing liar out to harm our nation to serve himself," O'Donnell lied'.

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    1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

      Why is Rosie still talking about Biden that way?

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      1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   1 day ago

        Why is Rosie still talking about “our nation”?

        She’s Irelands problem now.

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  32. Marshal   2 days ago

    Anderson's feelings about sex and her naked body were less in line with the hyper-materialist 1980s and '90s than with the attitudes of the '60s—she just wanted to be free,"

    If this were true she wouldn't have ruined her face and body trying to achieve something more.

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    1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

      Exactly. If she just wanted to be free, she would have allowed herself to age naturally.

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      1. Randy Sax   2 days ago

        Cue Borat crying in an RV with frat dudes.

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    2. mad.casual   2 days ago

      The whole thing feels like a Kafka-esque cultural lecture from a 60 yr. old feminist studies major directed at her cat.

      Pam Anderson, born towards the end of the 60s was more in touch with 60s era sex and naked bodies norms than *The* Material Girl who was born shortly before the 60s and grew up then? The decade that marked the founding of The Playboy Club was more free and less hyper-materialistic than 80s and 90s when freely distributed viral internet videos crippled traditional sex/naked body media outlets?

      "Freedom" is the new hyper-materialism and Pamela Anderson wasn't some hapless bimbo but a brave crusader for women's sexuality. Whatever Karen.

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      1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

        Anderson was a good-looking woman with modest acting ability. There are thousands of women just like her looking for a break in Hollywood. She did what was necessary to stand out and have a career and no doubt get the fame and fortune she wanted. It was a calculated business decision. I don't begrudge her that but spare me the talk of it being courageous or anything other than what it was.

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        1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

          She's one of the few to have aged quite gracefully.

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          1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

            Really? I don't think so, but I always thought she was a skank anyway. So, maybe I am biased.

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            1. mad.casual   2 days ago

              I think there's a subtle inflection of biological grace vs. physical grace vs. social grace at play.

              Strictly biologically, yeah, OK, maybe. Otherwise, there are a dozen others like Cheryl Tiegs, Cindy Crawford, Vanna White, Kathy Ireland, Charisma Carpenter, etc., etc., that had more talent and grace to begin with and have conducted themselves better since. She's done better than Tara Reid, Brittney Spears, or Miley Cyrus but even Mickey Rourke can age more gracefully than a train wreck.

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      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

        The whole thing feels like a Kafka-esque cultural lecture from a 60 yr. old feminist studies major directed at her cat.

        The author is a 63-year-old with an art history degree, so that tracks.

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    3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

      Yeah, she was cute as hell and would have aged well if she'd left well enough alone. I get why she's going on this "no makeup" kick now, but that's clearly borne more of regret than a conscious decision about critiquing beauty standards. It's like champagne marxists that complain about income inequality after buying three mansions in three separate states.

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      1. Marshal   2 days ago

        I agree. I initially wondered what the hubbub was about since I had not seen her before the changes and she seems gross to me. I was shocked when I saw how much better looking she was before the work.

        Maybe it was worth the money, it's her choice. Maybe her better looks would have worked if she'd given them a chance as they did for Heather Locklear and others. But maybe that wouldn't have attracted Toomy Lee and gotten her into the tabloid media so who knows. But to me the failure of this article is that it shows how in the tank "journalists" are. Flanaghan's is a stupid take. Transforming your body to appeal to immature males is not "freedom".

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        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

          I knew she'd had work done when I first saw her on Baywatch; it was obvious there was more there besides the boob job. I didn't realize how far she'd taken it until I saw that Labatt's poster, though. It's like a fun house mirror version of what she really looked like, although I'm sure the heavy makeup she wore contributed to that.

          Flanaghan's is a stupid take. Transforming your body to appeal to immature males is not "freedom".

          Like most feminists, she thinks anything that subverts and perverts any existing cultural norm is "liberation." It's a literal demonic view of how society should be.

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          1. Marshal   2 days ago

            I didn't realize how far she'd taken it until I saw that Labatt's poster,

            Back then fake lips were new or not widespread enough to know what was wrong, but now they're immediately recognizable.

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            1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

              It really is incredible. Like, you see the poster and you KNOW it's her, but it's like she aged 15 years between then and Baywatch, even though the time period is only about five years apart.

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    4. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 days ago

      It’s admirable that she never used sex or her body to earn money and be hyper-materialistic

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  33. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

    Elon is a Ferengi, hated by the marxist Federation.

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    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

      And Paul Ehrlich is the Borg. It's all Star Trex today.

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    2. Michael Ejercito   2 days ago

      Since when was the Federation Marxist?

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

        Leftists coopt everything. They are now saying superman is about someone living in the closet, a gay origin story.

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        1. Spiritus Mundi   2 days ago

          Lois Lane is a tranny?

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          1. Chumby   2 days ago

            Yup. She tops Superman, the man of squeal.

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            1. Z Crazy   2 days ago

              So what's Lex Luther?

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              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

                Alexia Luthor.

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        2. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

          Saw that Star Trek: Strange New Worlds came onto Amazon Prime this week. I got to e[isode 7 in before getting blasted with a trans monologue by a trans actor, turned it off mid monologue. Oh well. And that was after finding out from Captain Pike that Jan. 6th caused WWIII in their timeline in the first episode (implied...Jan 6 protest footage was used while he explained that earth was not always peaceful).

          I was doing ok with the whole girl power vibe (cadet uhura saving the day more than once, frenemies Una and Ortega, 22-year-old Nurse Chapel being more advanced than the chief medical officer) and spock turning into a woman for an episode to gain perspective and Chapel's bisexual adventures...but the trans lecture did it for me.

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          1. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

            Speaking of trans, the notion of trans completely undermines the long-promoted notion of sexuality being something one is born with, i.e., gays are "born that way", and there's no choice in the matter whatsoever.

            (I looked this sup again--was circa 2022--since I thought for a moment the trans actor in SNW was the actor referenced in this bit)

            -------

            Tommy Dorfman "was" a gay male actor (in some TV show I never watched, “13 Reasons Why,” but that's beside the point). He had been married to another man for some time.

            About a year ago, Tommy decided that he was "non-binary" and started using "they" pronouns. "They" has since then divorced "their" husband.

            And now "they" decided "they" are actually a transgender woman, with "she" pronouns. It is not clear to me whether there has been any surgery to complete that transition, but "she" decided to stick with the name Tommy.

            And now "she" has decided that "she" like girls, and is in a relationship with a lesbian.

            Not that there's anything wrong with that.

            TV Star Divorces Husband, Announces Self As Trans Woman, Is Now Engaged To ‘A Gay Girl’ | The Daily Wire

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      2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

        I never saw the crew cash their paychecks or get a raise. Technically I guess they are some kind of post scarcity communist liberal utopia - writers kind of play fast and loose with the economic system. But I'll lose to any real Trexie on the subject.

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        1. Z Crazy   2 days ago

          From what I heard, this new economic system started in the 22nd century, after the events of Enterprise.

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          1. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

            Yeah, when you have the nearly unlimited power output of matter/anti-matter reactors PLUS programmable matter synthesizers, anyone can have pretty much anything they want.

            It's basically a world of UBI-level existence and 100% recycling of everything.

            Leads to interesting side effects, like uniforms aren't laundered, they're remade. Toilets basically beam waste away to be molecularly remade into steak and fries for dinner, or a deck of cards to poker night, or whatever anyone might call up from the replicators.

            Starfleet is supposed to represent the people who aren't satisfied with a UBI-lifestyle and need the challenges. Sort of like, Starfleet are the one who escape the matrix.

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            1. Jefferson Paul   2 days ago

              Except in DS9, the "gold-pressed latinum" and the Ferengi's primary mission to profit completely contradict this notion. The creators of the various Star Trek series never explained this.

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            2. Michael Ejercito   1 day ago

              Looking back on this, I was thinking more of something of like the Greatest Depression happening during the time of the Earth-Romulan War.

              A massive economic collapse is likely the only thing that can cause humans to abandon the use of money.

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  34. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 days ago

    "...the aim is net-zero emissions by 2050...."

    Kind of like the claim that the J6 protesters were 'going to end democracy', a law should contain goals which are actually possible.
    That one isn't.

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  35. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

    I'm not going to weep about tariffs on a narco-state and a country that's implemented Biden/Germany-style clampdowns for online speech against the ruling marxist regime.

    Fuck the current EU caliphate, too. It's too bad Russia is run by a bunch of spastics or they'd have an attractive alternative for a renewed Warsaw Pact as an alternative to the left-liberal consensus. And this shit isn't anything new; Perfidious Albion and the Frogs sold out Christendom when it sided with the Ottomans in the Crimean War.

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    1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

      Fun fact, Russia imprisons about 300 people a year for speech crimes. The UK imprisons over 3,000 or ten times that every year and has for going on a decade. I am no fan of Putin or Russia. I am having a hard time seeing how the UK is in any way preferable to Russia given their increasingly appalling human rights record.

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      1. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

        What is the source for your statistics?

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        1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

          https://cybernews.com/editorial/orwellianism-uk-free-speech/

          The 3,000 includes those arrested and questioned not just those convicted. That hardly makes it any better. The horror stories out of the UK are numerous and well documented. They threw a woman in prison for three years for a deleted tweet. You of course think that is great, but civilized people disagree.

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          1. Z Crazy   2 days ago

            The UK simply wants to defend the truth.

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            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

              The official "Truth".

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              1. Z Crazy   2 days ago

                Who else should determine the truth?

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          2. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

            You left the fatfuck speechless.

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            1. Spiritus Mundi   2 days ago

              Like facts were going to change is opinion.

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          3. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

            So, clicking through, your source is a comedian, who himself does not cite any source for his statistics.

            Forgive me if I take your claims with a grain of salt.

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            1. Chuck the Sarcasm Police   2 days ago

              You are correct to question it, Jeffy. 3,000 was a number from 6 years ago before COVID proved that governments didn't need to fear backlash from captured media outlets. It is more like 4x that number now.

              https://freespeechunion.org/police-make-30-arrests-a-day-for-offensive-online-messages/

              Wait, you were not implying it was less than that, were you? Shame.

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              1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

                The hilarious part is that Reason published an article by Brendan O'Neill on September 15th, 2018 that cited the same figure that chemtard radical deathfat is mocking.

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              2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                Wow, you found a more reliable source for the statistics from the UK. Good for you.

                Now find a more reliable source for the statistics from Russia.

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                1. Chuck the Sarcasm Police   2 days ago

                  Nice motte and bailey, you snide douchebag. Dissemble, deflect, distract.

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                  1. Chumby   2 days ago

                    Fatty throwing out a sea lionesque fool’s errand and you didn’t bite.

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                  2. chemjeff radical individualist   2 days ago

                    There is no motte and bailey. I never claimed to be interested ONLY in the statistics from the UK.

                    Do you have a source for the statistics from Russia?

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                    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

                      Retardity, retardity, always retardity.

                    2. Jefferson Paul   2 days ago

                      If it turned out that Russia is an even bigger offender of locking up citizens for speech, does that make what the UK is doing better?

  36. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 days ago

    "...Maybe temper your Paul Ehrlich hate a bit. He wrote that book before most of the agricultural innovations of the "green revolution" were well known or widely implemented..."

    Maybe he ought to admit to being wrong; hasn't happened.

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    1. mad.casual   2 days ago

      A decade before Ehrlich sought to advance his revival of Malthusianism, to the same effect, another man sought to bring about an agricultural revolution to prevent it much the same way the Industrial Revolution vexed Malthus.

      Fuck Malthus for being wrong, fuck Ehrlich for being ignorant, evil, stupid, wrong, and worthless, and fuck his defenders for being even moreso more redundant or degeneratively.

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    2. Chuck the Sarcasm Police   2 days ago

      Admit he was wrong? Ehrlich has continued to double down to this day. He is a grifter.

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  37. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

    "Anderson's feelings about sex and her naked body were less in line with the hyper-materialist 1980s and '90s than with the attitudes of the '60s—she just wanted to be free," writes Caitlin Flanagan.

    Oh, bullshit. Her body and looks have been a consumer product ever since she posed for that Labatt's poster in college. She didn't need to be a Hollywood star to be a slut, irrespective of the fact that it comes with the territory. She did that shit because she wanted to be famous, and understood that using her looks was the easiest way to make that happen.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

      1989 Pam? Yes, please.

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    2. Dillinger   2 days ago

      >>She didn't need to be a Hollywood star to be a slut

      Canadian chicks historically easy.

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    3. mad.casual   2 days ago

      Schrödinger's feminist. Imagine saying that Pamela Anderson was less able to choose when and where she got naked for what kind of money than a woman similarly situated in the 1960s, the literal hay day of "sexploitation".

      She didn't and doesn't want to be free in either the "speech" or "beer" sense. Specifically the opposite; she wants to be highly paid without any other consequences for her actions.

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      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

        I can at least respect Sydney Sweeney for having enough self-awareness to understand that there's a clock on her earning power, that it comes from having a drop-dead amazing figure, and exploiting the hell out of that while she can. I mean, she's unironically marketing body soap made with her bathwater because she knows and accepts that there are a bunch of weirdos out there who will buy that shit.

        I hope she has good bodyguards, because her stalker level has to be at Taylor Swift proportions.

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        1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

          Scarlett Johansson has become majorly annoying lately. She makes millions and becomes a famous actress based on her tits and having a great body. That is fine. There is nothing wrong with her using the assets she has to get ahead. Now that she is in her 40s and being replaced by younger hotter women like Sweeney, Johansson has announced what a burden the evil male gaze has been and how she doesn't want to be cast for her looks anymore. Yeah, it was such a burden becoming a millionaire famous actress because of the male gaze.

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          1. Dillinger   2 days ago

            >>she doesn't want to be cast for her looks anymore

            is this after the obvious tens of million$ for the latest dinosaur jaunt?

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            1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

              Yes. Her bank account is full, and her looks have passed the Hollywood sell by date. So, now she thinks it is wrong to cast actresses based upon on their looks and the evil male gaze. Younger women like Sweeney shouldn't be exploited like she was. Scarlett cares about other women that way.

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              1. Dillinger   2 days ago

                shame they miss out on just being hot at 40 ...

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          2. Z Crazy   2 days ago

            Ten years from now, she can be cast as a USMC general in some sort of action thriller.

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          3. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

            She's clearly forgotten that she got in a tiff with Michael Bay because he wouldn't let her show her tits in The Island so he could keep it PG-13. Everyone knows why she got those roles, and it isn't because she's a great actress.

            I do get why such a predatory environment turns these harlots into turbolibs, though.

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    4. Rick James   2 days ago

      The 10,000lb Mastodon in the room that no one seems to be noticing, least of all this childless cat lady writing for the Atlantic is Pamela Anderson is a genius at marketing herself. She used her looks to successfully propel herself into fame in the early part of her career, and now that the genetic lottery money has run out, she's using a kind of 'anti-looks' crusade to successfully promote herself into a new, late stage career.

      I don't hate her or resent her for it, I kind of think it's brilliant. It's the childless cat-lady of the Atlantic that's falling hardest for it, believing it all to be some kind of political statement that applies to the culture as a whole, when in actuality, she's just writing free copy for Anderson's marketing campaign.

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      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

        She used her looks to successfully propel herself into fame in the early part of her career, and now that the genetic lottery money has run out, she's using a kind of 'anti-looks' crusade to successfully promote herself into a new, late stage career.

        I'm not really sure what kind of late-stage career she's really getting, although I'll concede that this is probably a completely calculated move on her part to get roles in an industry that is glorifying ugliness over beauty now. The problem is that her acting ability was always average, at BEST, and she hasn't really been relevant from a pop culture standpoint since the sex tape release over 25 years ago. Maybe she'll get a few bones thrown her way as some kind of nostalgia bait for Gen-X, but I can't see her doing anything other than living off of the Baywatch royalties at this point.

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        1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

          The Critical Drinker made a good point about how the issue of type casting hits male actors just in slightly different ways. Guys like Matthew McConaughey and Hugh Grant spent their youths being cast as foppish love interests in Romcoms. Only when they got older were they able to go beyond that and show their full range and acting ability. The actresses act like type casting and being cast in certain roles because of your sex appeal is something that only happens to them because they are women. It happens to men too. It is how things work.

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          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

            Part of it, also, is an actor has to figure out what roles they really shine in. I was watching the "Sly" doc on Netflix, and it mentions how his career hit a major snag when he tried to branch out to comedies, like Arnold was doing with Twins and Kindergarten Cop. The problem was that he didn't have the range for that kind of stuff. He could be funny, but in a situational manner like the jokes in Demolition Man, which is really just him doing what he does best as an action hero.

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            1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

              That is the other thing, it never occurs to Johansson that maybe looks are all she has to offer. Yeah, there are beautiful women who are also great actors. There is nothing that says she is one of them. In fact, it is more likely that she isn't one of them.

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        2. Rick James   2 days ago

          I'm not really sure what kind of late-stage career she's really getting, although I'll concede that this is probably a completely calculated move on her part to get roles in an industry that is /glorifying ugliness over beauty now. The problem is that her acting ability was always average, at BEST,

          You're helping me make my point. She's not a towering figure of acting talent, yet she's remained in the public eye in one way or another since I was practically a teenager. All of it via marketing. And as for her 'late stage career', her movie The Last Showgirl in which she plays a serious role has received wide-spread accolades.

          Well played, Ms. Anderson, well played.

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      2. mad.casual   2 days ago

        I don't hate her or resent her for it, I kind of think it's brilliant. It's the childless cat-lady of the Atlantic that's falling hardest for it, believing it all to be some kind of political statement that applies to the culture as a whole, when in actuality, she's just writing free copy for Anderson's marketing campaign.

        This occurred to me along similar lines of Sun Wukong's complaint about Scarlett Johansson above.

        Fools easily and the products easily parting them from their money:
        1. Teen boys for boobs.
        2. Crazy cat-ladies for stunning and brave women breaking down the boundaries that have held cat ladies back all their lives.

        Between fools, money, and easy parting, actually having acting ability, self-respect, and literally breaking down barriers is *way* down on the list.

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  38. Rick James   2 days ago

    ?Pamela Anderson forever. ("Anderson's feelings about sex and her naked body were less in line with the hyper-materialist 1980s and '90s than with the attitudes of the '60s—she just wanted to be free," writes Caitlin Flanagan.)

    I read the first part of the readable article and it immediately strikes me as one of those sprawling Atlantic pieces that takes 5000 words to make its smug little point.

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    1. Rick James   2 days ago

      Oh hey, speaking of the Atlantic, here's a little thinkpiece on how trans ideology gripped the left with unscientific, nay, anti science dogmatic retardation.

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      1. Dillinger   2 days ago

        my nephew got boobs ... like Cartman but entirely less funny.

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        1. tracerv   2 days ago

          Sorry my friend. I hate me some family drama.

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          1. Dillinger   2 days ago

            the urban terrorist training is entirely more terrifying ... dude you tell me you want to cut off your dick and show me your new guns same-time idk what to think lol

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      2. Michael Ejercito   2 days ago

        Wow.

        WPATH is truly run by quacks!

        Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD, PhD, tells us how to deal with gender dysphoria.

        https://groups.google.com/g/soc.culture.israel/c/mewlE_pEBAw/m/hMNrBDcdAAAJ

        "if My people, who are called by My name, will humble themselves and
        pray and seek My face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will
        hear from Heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their
        land (of even gender dysphoria)." (2 Chronicles 7:14 w/ parenthetical
        clarification)

        That is all we have to do.

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        1. Z Crazy   2 days ago

          Great idea!

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    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

      Then there's the "alert the incels!" strawman byline. These idiots are going to throw their shoulders out patting themselves on the back.

      "Look, we still have a parasocial cloud around a past-her-prime model/actress! Please, Ms. Anderson, notice us!"

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      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

        Of course, the author of that article is some wrinkled-ass Boomer whore trying to pretend that she isn't aging in dog years.

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  39. Dillinger   2 days ago

    >>preemptive pardons

    not a thing.

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  40. Dillinger   2 days ago

    >>A Just Asking Questions to watch/listen to: How socialism seduced New Yorkers.

    you still stuck on "socialist" certifies his win, you know.

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  41. Dillinger   2 days ago

    >>Four Shark Tank businesses talk about how hard it is to survive the tariff landscape.

    zero unemployment zero inflation dow over 44 lolz it's 1930 all over again!

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  42. Dillinger   2 days ago

    Paul Ehrlich's name is Mud everywhere I go where is it not?

    also that should have come with a Primus link:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=953PkxFNiko

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  43. Incunabulum   2 days ago

    Wolfe,

    1. No, those revolutions were already in progress.

    2. Eric re-released his book multiple times, *edited new editions*, and still hewed to the 'we're all going to die unless mass sterilization' FOR DECADES* after, pushing the malthusian line well into the 21st century.

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  44. Dillinger   2 days ago

    >> Rosie O'Donnell

    there's a reason the Simpsons writers put her on the ship headed for the Sun ... 25 years ago

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    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

      She’s trying to become The Woman Without A Country.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Without_a_Country

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      1. Dillinger   2 days ago

        ya that's a Twilight Zone lesson 100 years early.

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    2. Chumby   2 days ago

      Didn’t even know that the sun was edible.

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      1. Dillinger   2 days ago

        requires hot sauce.

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        1. Its_Not_Inevitable   2 days ago

          Would it be better with Cool Ranch?

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          1. Dillinger   2 days ago

            ooh yes. do Sun Chips make a cool ranch flavor?

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            1. Chumby   2 days ago

              Pluggo’s favorite dip?

              Neverland Ranch

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              1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

                With a side of Isla Lolita Queso?

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  45. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

    Very long set of Tweets detailing the Clinton corruption of the federal government. Worth a read though.

    https://x.com/defiyantlyfree/status/1944513455181955374?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

    Excerpts:

    Why was our FBI protecting Clinton for 30 years but somehow allowed an asset of a foreign government to get blackmail material?

    That makes no sense.

    What does make sense is that they looked the other way this whole time because of Clinton.

    Receipts below:

    1. Travelgate and Whitewater

    In 1993, shortly after taking office, the Clinton White House abruptly fired seven nonpartisan employees from the White House Travel Office. These staffers had served under multiple administrations and were responsible for managing press and presidential travel logistics. The Clintons replaced them with close Arkansas allies, including a cousin of Hillary Clinton. Hillary initially denied involvement, but a 2000 report by Independent Counsel Robert Ray concluded she had played a “significant role” in the firings and provided “factually inaccurate” statements during the investigation. Nothing happened to her.

    To justify the firings, the White House referred the matter to the FBI, which launched an investigation into alleged financial mismanagement by the Travel Office. Critics including members of Congress and press associations viewed this as a politically motivated purge. The FBI’s decision to involve itself in what was essentially a personnel dispute enabled the Clintons to frame the firings as criminally necessary, rather than politically convenient. In the only criminal prosecution, longtime Travel Office director Billy Dale was accused of embezzling $68,000. However, the jury acquitted him in under two hours after no personal enrichment could be proven. The case highlighted the use of federal law enforcement to legitimize a politically charged action—and the FBI’s role in facilitating it without pushback.

    Whitewater, meanwhile, began as a real estate investment in the 1970s between the Clintons and their friends Jim and Susan McDougal. The venture failed, but when Bill Clinton became president, the collapse of Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan—run by Jim McDougal—drew federal scrutiny. Dozens of Clinton associates, including both McDougals and former Arkansas Governor Jim Guy Tucker, were indicted and convicted of fraud, conspiracy, and obstruction. However, despite emerging evidence and the discovery of previously missing Rose Law Firm billing records implicating Hillary Clinton, the Clintons themselves escaped prosecution.

    According to FBI field agents involved in the Whitewater probe, promising leads were often ignored or sidelined by upper-level DOJ and Independent Counsel staff. Kenneth Starr, initially tasked with pursuing the Whitewater investigation, eventually redirected the focus of his probe to President Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky—a scandal that led to impeachment, but not accountability for the original financial misconduct.

    Pattern Established: The FBI allowed itself to be instrumentalized—first by providing cover for Travelgate, and later by failing to insist on rigorous follow-through during the Whitewater investigation. This marked the beginning of a long institutional pattern of deferral, soft enforcement, and political calculus when dealing with the Clintons.

    In 1996, during President Bill Clinton’s first term, it was revealed that the White House had improperly obtained and reviewed over 900 FBI background files on former Republican officials, many of whom had served in previous administrations. This included sensitive and private information gathered through security clearances—data that, by law, should never have been accessed without specific authorization and legitimate purpose.

    The files were requested by Craig Livingstone, the Director of the White House Office of Personnel Security, a Clinton political appointee with no prior experience in handling classified records. Livingstone claimed that the request was made in error, citing an outdated Secret Service list. This explanation was quickly adopted by the Clinton White House as a “bureaucratic mistake.”

    Yet the scale and nature of the breach raised alarm across Washington. The victims of the data breach included James Baker, John Sununu, Tony Snow, and even former Reagan-era cabinet officials—a who's who of Republican leadership. The fact that this treasure trove of political opposition research ended up in the Clinton White House without consequence prompted concerns of political espionage, misuse of intelligence, and a dangerous precedent of turning federal security mechanisms into partisan tools.

    Despite the serious implications—unauthorized access to sensitive FBI files, potential violations of the Privacy Act, and improper handling of government records the FBI’s response was strikingly muted. The Bureau conducted an internal review but did not pursue charges against any White House officials. Instead, it allowed the administration’s narrative of “clerical error” to stand. Craig Livingstone ultimately resigned, but no one was prosecuted.

    Congressional hearings led by Republicans were convened, and Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr was asked to review the matter. Starr concluded that although the actions were “grossly inappropriate,” there was insufficient evidence to prove criminal intent. Hillary Clinton, who many believed had recommended Livingstone for his position, denied under oath that she knew him prior to his hiring—a claim later challenged by several witnesses but never prosecuted as perjury.

    Institutional Implication: The FBI’s decision not to pursue legal remedies despite a clear breach involving politically sensitive data demonstrated an early pattern of deference. Rather than challenge executive overreach, the FBI enabled the administration to control the narrative, framing an invasive political act as mere clerical mishap. In doing so, the Bureau signaled to future administrations that violations committed in the name of political preservation could be tolerated, or at least quietly buried.

    There’s more, much more. I like how she ties them all together, including Bill’s Epstein connections.

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    1. Dillinger   2 days ago

      we didn't even have the internets to complain about Her then.

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    2. Marshal   2 days ago

      The Clintons took corruption to a new level. Their motivation was entirely greed, and they developed new methods of graft, like the Clinton Foundation, which never would have been possible in previous generations. The left's politization of everything was paying off by then and the Clintons were the first who realized left voters didn't care if you were ripping off the government as long as they got their cut.

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  46. Dillinger   2 days ago

    the right-side "influencers" spending a week trying to destroy Pam Blondi was entertaining I'm wondering what any of them thought about their influence Saturday night when T told them all to shut up

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    1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

      I am puzzled by why people think there is a "client list" as if Epstein were sending out emails advertising "half priced Fridays on girls under 16". Epstein wasn't technically speaking a pimp. He didn't charge people to go to his island and partake of the girls. The people who went were invited because they knew him. You didn't pay or solicit him, he solicited you. There wouldn't be a client list. There would only be his address book, which was made public years ago.

      Let's say for the sake of argument that Epstein really was working for the CIA and Mossad or whoever. Those people, whoever they were, were powerful enough to murder him in jail, including getting the closed-circuit cameras turned off in a federal jail. So, they can do that, but they somehow left the "client list" and films of Bill Clinton having threesomes with junior high girls fall into the hands of DOJ? Those two claims don't seem very compatible to me. If the conspiracy theories are true, and they might be, then there is no way there is anything in the DOJ files showing that. If they are not true, then there is nothing in the DOJ files beyond Epstein's child porn collection.

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      1. Dillinger   2 days ago

        certainly none of it worth splitting DoJ in half because Megyn Jelly wasn't T's pick for Attorney General

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        1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

          The other thing is that persecuting the people who went to his island was not the slam dunk people seem to believe. First, going to the island and palling around with Epstein is not a crime and being there doesn't prove you had sex with anyone much less underage girls. For example, the rumor is Bill Clinton was into Maxwell. So, who is to say he wasn't there banging Maxwell? The only way to prove anyone had sex with an underage girl would be to have Maxwell testify to it or have the girl testify. Maxwell is a convicted felon who would be portrayed as being willing to say anything to get her sentence reduced. The girls would have a motivation to lie because they want a civil suit pay day.

          The other problem is that mistake of fact is a defense to statutory rape. If a defendant can prove by a preponderance of the evidence that they thought the girl was over 18, then they are innocent. These girls were not 10 years old. They were all in their teens. Look at the pictures of the girl that Prince Andrew was with. She could be anywhere from 15 to 22 years old. Unless you have some proof showing that Prince Andrew was told and knew how old she was, Andrew just testifies that he thought she was 19 and almost certainly gets acquitted by any fair jury. Moreover, I seriously doubt Epstein ever told anyone how old these girls were. If he had, they people involved would likely not have done it. Yeah, they knew the girls were young, but they were never told exactly how young and that gave them plausible deniability to themselves and to anyone who ever found out. I can understand why DOJ never made a case against anyone but Epstein and Maxwell, who both admitted to multiple people they knew the girls were under 18. There wasn't a case to be made against anyone else.

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          1. Dillinger   2 days ago

            fair assessment. or it's over everyone's pay grade except those who can facilitate assassinations and nobody messes with those guys ... either way let it go, Elsas.

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            1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

              If I had to guess, the real scandal is that Epstein was a Mossad agent and operated a honey trap and intelligence operation for Mossad. I don't see any way to explain how Epstein goes from private school teacher and ordinary pervert leaching on his students to fabulously wealthy money manager to billionaires almost overnight without some kind of very powerful people behind him. And the CIA and or Mossad seem to be the only candidates for that role.

              My guess, and this is just a guess, is that all of this is being withheld not because there is anything about powerful people or famous people in the files but because the files will reveal that Mossad was running a prostitution ring using underage American girls and that would have devastating effects on US Israeli relations. That is my two bit theory, but as the Italians say "what do you I know?" Not much sadly.

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              1. Dillinger   2 days ago

                "hey, yo! who says I got a mother?"

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              2. Marshal   2 days ago

                He doesn't need to be an agent or involved in setting up honey traps. It could be he showed them a better way to manage their slush funds to make them less traceable. This made him valuable so they pressured the government to ignore him and/or reduce his sentence when he was busted.

                The key failure to me was the early 2000s prosecution. They had the goods but essentially let him off with a slap on the wrist. That never made any sense.

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                1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

                  Yes. That was the key. Everything else is just noise.

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              3. Gaear Grimsrud   2 days ago

                If the administration story to date is accurate that's the only theory we're left with which leaves us to conclude that they're covering for the deep state including the US, UK and Israel. And Trump claiming that the whole thing is a Democrat Psyop doesn't help to convince me otherwise. Some Trump loyalists are openly saying we have accept that he's lying to us for our own good. Sorry but I'm not wired up that way. If they want to invoke national security okay that might at least be a plausible defense.

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                1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

                  I am not wired that way either. It pisses me off. That being said, there is not much to be done about it. It is not like the Democrats would act any differently. So, turning on the Republicans will just make a lot of other things worse without changing this at all.

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                  1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 days ago

                    I'm not angry that they lied even if they didn't. I'm angry that I won't be able to trust them again and I'm afraid a lot of the MAGA constituency feels the same way.

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                    1. tracerv   2 days ago

                      +++

                    2. Dillinger   2 days ago

                      word ... but how much trust them did you have going in?

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

            Moreover, I seriously doubt Epstein ever told anyone how old these girls were. If he had, they people involved would likely not have done it.

            Eh, I don't know about that. Elites throughout history are often fucking degenerates because they know they can get away with it due to their social class. Maybe they did think the girls were all of age, but pedo rings in Hollywood are an open secret for a reason.

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            1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

              Of course, the people knew or thought they were underage. And that was the attraction. They were never told that explicitly. That is the whole game. These people are degenerates, but they are not stupid.

              Also, these people were not pedos. A pedo is someone who is attracted to children. These girls were not children. They were young adults and had adult bodies. That is a big difference that everyone seems to pretend doesn't exist. The reason why that is important, is that this didn't operate like a pedo ring. There is no claiming "I thought she was 18" when they find you screwing a 10 year old. That is what pedos do. These girls were older and could be confused with adults. So, there could be and was always going to be plausible deniability.

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      2. Use the Schwartz   2 days ago

        "I am puzzled by why people think there is a "client list""

        Because there is a list of clients somewhere? Maybe there isn't some old dusty Rolodex labeled "Pedophiles (tee-hee)" but there is an email list, a text group, a contact list, a .pdf, a server, eHistories, all of the above, etc.

        How do I know this? Because I live in reality. Pretending ignorance of this data is a weird stance, almost willfull?

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        1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

          Why would there be a "client list'. There were no clients, only friends and people he invited. Why would he need a client list? He wouldn't. Even if there was one, why wouldn't it have been destroyed.

          You don't live in reality. You live in fantasy.

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          1. Use the Schwartz   2 days ago

            Oh please...

            So it needs to say "MY PEDERAST CLIENT LIST" for it to be a client list? JFC.

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            1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

              His address book is already public. The flight logs of who went to the Island and when are also public. So, what information would this "client list" contain that is not already known?

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              1. Use the Schwartz   2 days ago

                That's kind of the main question isn't it? It is good that you are less "puzzled" now though, getting up to speed is always nice.

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                1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

                  The answer is nothing. You can't give a reason why it would be anything else. Just because you want something to be true, doesn't mean it is.

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                  1. Use the Schwartz   2 days ago

                    I remain unconvinced. Thanks for sharing your "puzzlement" here though - talking it out sometimes helps.

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                    1. tracerv   2 days ago

                      The only puzzlement I have is what they threaten Bondi and Patel with. They went from Elliott Ness to Sargent Shultz real fucking quick.

                    2. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

                      You remain unconvinced because believing fantasy is more fun than mundane reality. Believe whatever you want, but you are always going to be disappointed and convinced there was more if only the evil bastards hadn't destroyed it.

              2. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 days ago

                His address book is already public. The flight logs of who went to the Island and when are also public. So, what information would this "client list" contain that is not already known?

                That's the issue, though. Bondi was being a cocktease by stating she had the fucking thing on her desk and she was looking through it. You don't throw out that kind of chum on a situation where there's an actual bipartisan suspicion that Epstein was exterminated because of his association with the elite of the elite, and not expect that failing to deliver won't come back to bite you in the ass.

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                1. tracerv   2 days ago

                  Fucking exactly.

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                2. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

                  Bondi is a moron. She shot her mouth off looking for attention. That is all that is going on there.

                  What Bondi either didn't know or forgot is that she can't release that information. Information discovered in a criminal investigation cannot be released to the public unless doing so is necessary as part of an ongoing prosecution. There is good reason for that. Suppose the DEA is investigating a guy for smuggling drugs and following him around. As part of that, they find out he is banging someone's wife at a hotel room. If the guy ends up not being charged or is charged and pleads such that the fact that he was going to a hotel room to bang some married woman is never put into open court, why should it be released to the public and that woman's life and marriage ruined? It shouldn't. There is no reason to release it.

                  In this case, all of the criminal cases are done. The statute of limitations has passed on any of the "clients" even if there was a case to be made. So, DOJ can't release that information. Bondi is just dumb as a post and shot her mouth off without realizing that.

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                3. Gaear Grimsrud   2 days ago

                  Yeah this. Something is happening here and we don't know what it is. Pam and Kash have decided to buy in and maybe they have good reasons. Dan may not be able to in good conscience.

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                  1. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

                    If Bongino thinks whatever is in that file is so important for the public to know, he should just leak it and dare them to prosecute him. It is not classified. So, they couldn't prosecute him for anything serious. Prosecuting him would require them admitting whatever he said was in fact true, which is what he claims he wants. Either Bongino is lying and there isn't anything in those files, he is a coward, or whatever it there isn't bad enough to warrant taking any risk to release it. Either way, I have a hard time taking his threats to resign very seriously.

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        2. DesigNate   2 days ago

          But doesn’t that go back to the initial problem: If he was taken out by the power elite, there’s no way in hell they would leave the loose end of a list just flapping in the wind. To suggest otherwise means they wouldn’t be competent enough to have kept the whole thing under wraps as long as they supposedly have.

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          1. Jefferson Paul   1 day ago

            My problem is why Kash and Dan stated definitively that Epstein killed himself. If they thought there would be evidence they could release but it turns out that the evidence was destroyed or hidden, they should have just said, "We thought the evidence was there, but we're not finding it. We'll keep looking but so far we're coming up empty." I would have accepted that, even though it's not a satisfying response. But to come out and say outright there were no shenanigans with Epstein's death takes it an unjustified step further.

            And Bondi saying she has tens of thousands of hours of the videos taken at Epstein Island, only to later say it was just CP downloaded onto Epstein's computer, and not of any of the victims of Epstein Island, seems like gaslighting to me.

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      3. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

        Part of the problem may be how deep and wide ranging the Epstein clients ran in government.

        https://x.com/defiyantlyfree/status/1944513477684425076?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

        5. The Epstein Connection: From the White House to CGI

        The relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and the Clintons spans decades, forming one of the most persistent and unsettling threads in the broader scandal surrounding elite privilege and political protection. From frequent visits to the Clinton White House in the 1990s to Epstein’s deeper entanglement with the Clinton Global Initiative (CGI) in the 2000s, the ties are well-documented—and increasingly difficult to dismiss as coincidental.

        Early Access: Epstein’s White House Visits (1993–1995)

        According to visitor logs obtained via the Clinton Presidential Library, Jeffrey Epstein visited the White House at least 17 times, sometimes multiple times per day, totaling 37 separate entries between 1993 and 1995. Each time, he was signed in by Mark Middleton, a Clinton aide and then–Special Assistant to the President. Middleton worked closely with White House Chief of Staff Mack McLarty and was responsible for coordinating donor access and VIP introductions.

        These visits occurred years before Epstein's public emergence as a wealthy sex offender or financier. At the time, he was quietly ascending through the world of elite philanthropy, cultivating ties to scientists, politicians, and billionaires. His entry into the Clinton White House—typically reserved for donors, political allies, or key operatives—suggests he had established himself as more than a casual acquaintance.

        Jet Flights and Clinton’s Travel

        Between 2001 and 2003, Bill Clinton flew on Epstein’s private jet—dubbed the “Lolita Express”—at least 26 times, according to flight logs submitted in civil and criminal proceedings. These trips included international destinations, often tied to Clinton Foundation or CGI initiatives, such as anti-AIDS campaigns in Africa. Notably:

        Five flights included no Secret Service detail, a rare and suspicious omission for a former U.S. president.

        Flight manifests often included Ghislaine Maxwell and women later identified as Epstein trafficking victims, including Chauntae Davies, who later accused Epstein of abuse.

        Clinton has denied ever visiting Epstein’s properties, including Little St. James island and the New Mexico Zorro Ranch, but survivor Virginia Giuffre testified that she saw Clinton on the island. While she stopped short of accusing him of misconduct, she quoted Epstein as saying, “He owes me a favor.”

        Philanthropic Overlap: Epstein, CGI, and the Clinton Foundation

        Despite his 2008 conviction for soliciting sex from a minor, Epstein maintained ties to elite philanthropic circles, including the Clinton Global Initiative, founded in 2005. According to court filings and his legal team:

        Epstein was “part of the original group that helped conceive” CGI.

        He donated at least $25,000 to the Clinton Foundation and was reportedly involved in coordinating donor circles during CGI’s early years.

        Survivors and journalists allege that Epstein used his philanthropic persona to legitimize his presence among global leaders—and that his ties to CGI helped insulate him from scrutiny even after his conviction.

        Ghislaine Maxwell and Clintonworld

        Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s longtime associate and key enabler, enjoyed deep and enduring access to the Clinton inner circle:

        She was invited to Chelsea Clinton’s wedding in 2010, two years after Epstein’s conviction.

        She attended Clinton Global Initiative events through at least 2009, appearing in photographs with prominent politicians, foreign dignitaries, and billionaires.

        Multiple sources, including Vanity Fair and The Daily Mail, reported that Maxwell was considered a fixture in elite political and donor circles—a status she retained long after the public knew of Epstein’s criminal record.

        The Death of Mark Middleton

        The man who had granted Epstein White House access, Mark Middleton, died under highly suspicious circumstances on May 7, 2022, at Heifer Ranch in Perry County, Arkansas. Authorities ruled his death a suicide, stating he:

        Hung himself from a tree using an extension cord.

        Sustained a shotgun wound to the chest.

        Had a Stoeger 12-gauge shotgun found 30 feet away—an unusual detail, since it’s rare for a person to both shoot and hang themselves in a single act.

        The crime scene photographs were sealed by court order at the request of Middleton’s family, citing online conspiracy threats. The official investigation concluded no foul play, but the bizarre nature of the death—and Middleton’s historical proximity to both Epstein and Clinton—has only fueled deeper suspicion.

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        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

          More:

          https://x.com/defiyantlyfree/status/1944513479685333194?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

          Implication

          This section of the Clinton–Epstein saga underscores the depth and persistence of Epstein’s integration into elite networks. He was not a fringe figure or rogue actor. He was a trusted donor, guest, and travel companion, embedded in CGI programming and personal Clinton family events—even after his criminal conviction.

          The FBI never pursued Epstein’s connections to Clinton with the same vigor it showed toward other politically sensitive figures. Neither Clinton was subpoenaed. No grand juries were convened to probe Epstein’s role in CGI, nor were co-conspirators publicly named during Ghislaine Maxwell’s trial. The failure to investigate these connections speaks to a broader pattern of protection and political calculation.

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          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Muting Sarc like he mutes us)   2 days ago

            And why.

            https://x.com/defiyantlyfree/status/1944513482092683755?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA

            Epstein himself was rumored to be protected by or connected to U.S. and foreign intelligence services, which former officials such as Alexander Acosta alluded to when he stated, "I was told he belonged to intelligence"—justifying the 2007 non-prosecution agreement.

            Implication: A full investigation into the Clintons' dealings—especially their ties to Epstein—could have unspooled covert partnerships, clandestine funding channels, or proxy operations involving allies, adversaries, and strategic regions.

            Jeffrey Epstein’s operation was not just about personal exploitation—it was about leverage:

            Surveillance systems in his New York and Palm Beach homes were reportedly used to record high-profile guests engaging in compromising acts.

            His proximity to politicians, academics, and royals across the globe allowed him to build a blackmail portfolio.

            Bill Clinton’s deep and well-documented association with Epstein—37 White House visits, 26 private jet flights, CGI donor overlap—placed him at potential risk.

            Prosecuting Epstein thoroughly—especially post-2005—risked exposing not just Clinton, but a broader network of compromised officials across multiple governments.

            In other words, they may be scared of the implications of fully prosecuting the offenders.

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          2. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

            The real story is why the FBI never did anything. That is why I think the whole "client list" thing is just BS put out by the Deep State to get the boubiousie agitated about the wrong thing. If everyone is talking about this imaginary client list, they are not talking about why the FBI never investigated anything.

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        2. Sun Wukong   2 days ago

          Clinton went to the Island without his secret service protection multiple times. I don't see why we need any other information to make Bill Clinton answer for why that was and what he was doing there. Again, that doesn't prove or much less make him indictable for anything. Palling around with Epstein and going to his island is not a crime. It is loathsome, but everyone knows Bill Clinton is loathsome.

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  47. NoVaNick   2 days ago

    Rosie O’Donnell is a good start, but there are other threats to humanity who should also lose their citizenship:

    -Lena Dunham
    -Amy Schumer

    -Jon Stewart
    This lady who used to a couple of blocks from me: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._Christine_Fair

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