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Elon Musk

America Party

Plus: What the socialists don't understand about childcare, the current state of Iran's nuclear capabilities, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 7.1.2025 9:34 AM

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Elon Musk promises new political party: Like Larry David opening up a spite store, so too will Elon Musk start a spite party if President Donald Trump's domestic policy bill passes.

"If this insane spending bill passes, the America Party will be formed the next day," wrote Musk on X. "Our country needs an alternative to the Democrat-Republican uniparty so that the people actually have a VOICE." (Technically speaking, that alternative already exists, and it's politically rather aligned with where Musk appears to be on most issues.)

"Every member of Congress who campaigned on reducing government spending and then immediately voted for the biggest debt increase in history should hang their head in shame!" he had written just hours prior. "And they will lose their primary next year if it is the last thing I do on this Earth."

"Please support @RepThomasMassie," replied former Rep. Justin Amash (L–Mich.). "The establishment is working to primary him because he's a genuine fiscal conservative and opposes the Big, Bloated Scam." To which Musk vowed: "I will."

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Of course, our ketamine space prince makes big gambles. He had formerly been thick as thieves with the president, but now that his tenure as head honcho of the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) has ended—and he started criticizing the president's domestic policy spending plans—the relationship has soured, with Musk implying Trump spent lots of time on Jeffrey Epstein's island and Trump saying Musk has a drug problem. (One of us, one of us!) It's disappointing that Musk and other deficit hawks haven't made a big dent in the White House, or shaped Trump's thinking very much, but I like Musk's pivot from voice to exit: A new political party (or perhaps PAC?), generously funded by Musk, to support a movement of legitimate fiscal conservatives feels like just what we need during a time of ascendant socialism and populist right-wingers intent on spending us silly.

Of course, it was just, what, six weeks ago, that Musk claimed in an interview at the Qatar Economic Forum that "in terms of political spending, I'm going to do a lot less in the future." He changes his mind a lot when it comes to strategy but has at least been a committed free market guy for pretty much his entire life.

His companies have also benefited from government subsidies, which Trump is threatening to pull. "Elon Musk knew, long before he so strongly Endorsed me for President, that I was strongly against the EV Mandate," wrote the president on Truth Social early this morning. "It is ridiculous, and was always a major part of my campaign. Electric cars are fine, but not everyone should be forced to own one. Elon may get more subsidy than any human being in history, by far, and without subsidies, Elon would probably have to close up shop and head back home to South Africa. No more Rocket launches, Satellites, or Electric Car Production, and our Country would save a FORTUNE. Perhaps we should have DOGE take a good, hard, look at this? BIG MONEY TO BE SAVED!!!" ("I think we should get rid of all credits," Musk has said in the past. "Take away the subsidies. It will only help Tesla," he's written. "Remove subsidies from all industries!")

Reporter: Are you going to deport Elon Musk?

Trump: We'll have to take a look. We might have to put DOGE on Elon. You know what DOGE is? The monster that might have to go back and eat Elon. Wouldn't that be terrible? He gets a lot of subsidies. pic.twitter.com/6I0OAIv7Js

— Acyn (@Acyn) July 1, 2025


Scenes from New York: "Mamdani, and all others who advocate universal publicly-funded child care, mistake the needs that mothers actually have—the things they say they want, the types of child care arrangements they favor—assuming all parents want the state to sublimate their roles. Socialists pretend they want to support mothers and motherhood. But they don't understand what type of help mothers need at all. 

In 2022, the think tank Institute for Family Studies asked mothers of children under 18 what their "ideal situation" would be, in terms of time spent with kids vs. working. They found that 42 percent of mothers wanted to work full-time; 32 percent had an ideal of part-time work; and 22 percent would ideally choose no paid work at all."

This is from a feature I published this morning on why democratic socialist—and probably my next mayor—Zohran Mamdani doesn't actually understand what mothers in New York City want and need.

"Note Mamdani's sneakiness: He talks about child care as a 'burden' which 'falls heaviest on mothers' and seems to imply that giving up 'paying jobs' to perform 'unpaid childcare' is some great travesty. 'This campaign/worldview does not grant mothers an active role in these decisions about how to make their family economies work, just assumes they are crushed by circumstance,' remarks Meredith Thornburgh, getting her doctorate in household economics at Princeton, with toddler in tow."

Look, no disrespect to the many #girlbosses who live among us: Many women want to work full-time and have lots of child care coverage; for the state to make that cheaper is a good thing for them, if they're fine with the care options provided. But socialists seem to think that all mothers want to hand over their 6-week-old infants to government-run day cares to go log long hours in the button factories, or whatever, and I just don't know a single woman who craves that.

New York City makes it hard to raise children in ways big and small: Our decades-long rent-stabilization regime, and lack of sufficient supply, makes it hard to find affordable real estate. Our subway elevators are populated by drug-addled loonies, so moms with strollers can't get up and down to the platform. Foisting a one-size-fits-all child care program on the taxpayers probably won't solve the needs of approximately half of families and certainly won't fix the other things that drive family flight out of New York.


QUICK HITS

  • "After formally cutting off International Atomic Energy Agency inspections last week, Iranian nuclear-safety regulators have stopped taking calls from the United Nations watchdog, according to two officials who asked not to be identified discussing sensitive information," reports Bloomberg. "The communication blackout underscores the degree to which Iran is using silence as a way to obscure international understanding over the status of its nuclear program. Tehran had previously allowed an average of more than one IAEA inspection a day and took part in five rounds of talks with the US about a deal to curb its atomic activities, but the Israeli assault has changed the equation."
  • Elon Musk is once again Miltoning so hard:

???? https://t.co/GR1Zz2O9hX

— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) July 1, 2025

  • Big, Beautiful Bill update: "Senators voted overwhelmingly overnight to strip a provision that would effectively block states from passing and enforcing laws on artificial intelligence for the next decade. The vote was 99-1, with Mr. Tillis casting the sole vote against it," reports The New York Times. 

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    Elon Musk promises new political party

    ...ON MARS!

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    1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

      It’s his only chance of being successful.

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      1. Nelson   2 days ago

        Poe’s Law strikes again. I’m assuming this is sarcasm, but …

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

          But you had to say something retarded to hit your metrics?

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        2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

          You think Elon can create a successful political party on Earth?

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    2. mad.casual   2 days ago

      ...ON MARS!

      Blue no matter who. Better dead that Red.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

        Save the canals!

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        1. Spiritus Mundi   2 days ago

          They came in peace!!!!

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  2. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    If this insane spending bill passes, the America Party will be formed the next day...

    If it's called the X party that's going to be a very confusing ballot for ancient Floridians.

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    1. Nelson   2 days ago

      Remember when that Chad guy caused all those problems by hanging?

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      1. Jefferson Paul   2 days ago

        I thought that was the origin of the modern trans movement when they kept telling us about pregnant chads.

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        1. See.More   1 day ago

          I got a little concerned, as a "Chadwick", when they started talking about "hanging chads".

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          1. Jefferson Paul   20 hours ago

            I see why you chose See.More as your screen name instead of your given name, with a name like "Chadwick."

            I kid, I kid.

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            1. See.More   13 hours ago

              I see why you chose See.More as your screen name instead of your given name. . .

              🙂

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  3. Idaho-Bob   2 days ago

    NYC white women problems - Front and center PLEASE!!!

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

      Are you going to supply the box wine?

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  4. A Thinking Mind   2 days ago

    Most America parties I know of are happening on Friday. There should be some especially nice ones next year, though.

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    1. Randy Sax   2 days ago

      Unless they are drone shows. Downright un-American.

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      1. Nelson   2 days ago

        I feel like they should have drone shows and fireworks at the same time and place. It would make things a lot more interesting for the drone pilots. And the spectators!

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    2. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

      NO KINGS DAY

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      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

        No Stephen Kings, no Kings Family Restaurants, no Rural Kingses.

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        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

          LA Kings hardest hit.

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          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

            Does this cancel MLK day?

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          2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 days ago

            No worries. They’ve got 40 year old Corey Perry now. Which means they will lose in the finals next year.

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          3. Outlaw Josey Wales   21 hours ago

            Burger King takes double hit!!

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        2. Randy Sax   2 days ago

          Stephen King's politics aside, I really do enjoy his books. Especially his novellas.

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          1. Zeb   2 days ago

            Yeah, he's really good at writing stuff that's fun to read and creating worlds and myths. Wish he's just shut the fuck up about other stuff.

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            1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

              Was really good*

              And I'd even debate the really part. His books were decent. Often starting out great, building a good scene, then meandering as he couldn't figure out how to get to an ending.

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              1. Zeb   2 days ago

                I'll assume you are right. I haven't read much recent stuff and I'm not any kind of big fan, I've probably read maybe 10 of his books. There are a few I really like though and think are pretty brilliant.

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                1. Ajsloss   2 days ago

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMZONL8x8NE

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              2. Randy Sax   2 days ago

                Firestarter has an amazing ending. Bag of Bones as well. The Mist doesn't have a "real" ending, but I think that's what makes it unique.

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                1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

                  Haven't read those as I gave up on him a decade ago.

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                2. Vernon Depner   2 days ago

                  Rod Serling said he always came up with the ending of a story first. Once he knew where the story was ending up, it was easy to write the rest.

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                  1. Dillinger   2 days ago

                    Serling leaps & bounds > King

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                3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 days ago

                  The Dead Zone wraps up pretty well. Surprised no Proggie has remade it for Trump yet.

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              3. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

                I’d still love to see a good on screen adaptation of The Stand and The Dark Tower.

                Unfortunately King’s involvement makes that unlikely at this point. I was very disappointed when he came out and said it didn’t matter if Roland was black. The irony being it destroyed the actual black character’s story arc.

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                1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 days ago

                  The irony being it destroyed the actual black character’s story arc.

                  Which was a really good arc. Overcoming bigotry and fear by recognizing honor and earning respect.

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                2. Zeb   2 days ago

                  The Dark Tower will always be too much to try to put in a movie. I couldn't make it past the first 10 minutes of the movie that did get made. I think just The Gunslinger could make a good self-contained movie, though, if it was done fairly faithfully.

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                  1. Dillinger   2 days ago

                    >>The Dark Tower will always be too much to try to put in a movie.

                    word.

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                  2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

                    Agree, it would have to be a multi-season series.

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                  3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 days ago

                    I read the first 2 or 3 books in that series and liked them well enough, but then I realized there were 3 or 4 more to go.

                    Ain’t nobody got time for that.

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                    1. Zeb   2 days ago

                      The 4th is probably worth it. It came out before he got hit by the car and nearly died. After that, I think it's still quite good for the most part, but it is long and not as strong as the earlier books.

                    2. Dillinger   2 days ago

                      read the 4th one and enjoyed it but got tired of being taught how to say words and forgot to even try 5th and 6th

                      edit: I started with Pet Sematary when I was like 11 and read it in one sitting. totally hooked read everything he wrote until that 4th book

            2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 days ago

              he's really good at writing stuff that's fun to read and creating worlds and myths

              Did you read The Gunslinger?

              After 6 1/2 good books, one of them absolutely fantastic, he killed the Walking Dude ignominiously, ripped off JK Rowling, literally erased the super-antagonist, and then whipped out time travel so he didn't have to finish. Seriously one of the worst endings to a sci-fi series ever written.

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              1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

                And on and on it goes…

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              2. Zeb   2 days ago

                Yeah, that series is my favorite of his. But I agree, the ending is weak. I like everything up to the final approach to the tower, though. The part where King himself appears could have been left out too. I think he wanted to rewrite it to get rid of that but then decided just to be done with the series.

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                1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 days ago

                  He lost me when the 20th level wizard super villain gets one-shot by a goblin.

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                  1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   2 days ago

                    I’m glad I didn’t finish that series. Lol.

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            3. Jefferson Paul   2 days ago

              I agree with you that he could created amazing concepts and worlds, but almost without fail, the endings to his books are terrible. It seems as though he puts all this work into creating the concept and characters but gets bored of the work before finishing and just phones in any random ending.

              I didn't mind the endings to Misery and The Shining.

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              1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 days ago

                The end of The Stand was good - sacrifice is required for freedom and we must be ever vigilant because evil is never truly conquered.

                As a bonus he nailed, "Never trust government health experts".

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          2. car-keynes   8 hours ago

            Um, what should King best do to get more readers if you want him to give up his politics (morbid curiosity, I guess)?

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        3. Ajsloss   2 days ago

          If you have it your way, and eliminate Burger King, can you really have it your way?

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          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

            Ask the Socialist Burger Central Committee.

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            1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

              Everyone can choose chemical burgers with vegan cheese on 2 fortified wheat buns.

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              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

                But only if the Peoples Factories and Farms meet quarterly quotas.

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                1. Ajsloss   2 days ago

                  Looking forward to Burgermeister Meisterburger's quarterly address.

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              2. Jefferson Paul   2 days ago

                chemical burgers?

                Since when are ze bugs considered "chemicals"?

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        4. Anomalous   2 days ago

          Gayle King was unavailable for comment.

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          1. Ajsloss   2 days ago

            Thank goodness.

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      2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 days ago

        Kings Hawaiian?

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        1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

          Chicken ala king?

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  5. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

    Libertarians for income tax increases: "why don't trump aand the gop cut more!!!"

    Reality: democrats vote against removing illegals from Medicaid after Parliamentarian says following the law is changing policy and cant be done in reconciliation.

    https://x.com/townhallcom/status/1939778551534035103

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    1. Zeb   2 days ago

      Rs have a majority. They could refuse to pass anything until democrats agree to real cuts, removing illegals from Medicare, reforming SS, etc. Now's the time while it's still a decent amount of time before an election. They could also not increase military spending. There's no fucking way we aren't spending enough on the military.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

        This bill is in regards to mandatory spending programs that keep spending even during a shut down. This is not the budget bill. So not passing anything means spending stays elevated. Rs doing nothing means status quo continues.

        What they could do is replace the parliamentarian, appointed by Reid, vote to overrule her, or JD can dismiss her ruling. Seems to be the last defense against status quo.

        As for military, half rhe budget is paying for personal. IRAD isnt actually that much. It is base maintenance, troop pay and training, VA, college, etc.

        Only reasonable option there is closing foreign bases which have to be done through regular order I believe, ie 60 vote threshold.

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      2. sarcasmic   2 days ago

        I've been saying something similar ever since Trump started his EO blitz.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

          Odd comment from the person saying Trump isnt allowed to cut spending, congress has to, then blaming Trump since congress won't.

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        2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

          Cite?

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  6. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

    Tariff alarmism using all the tools of climate alarmism.

    Axios out with article that 4th of July will be more expensive next year.

    https://www.axios.com/2025/06/30/fireworks-2025-trump-tariffs-impact-july-4th?utm_campaign=editorial&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

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    1. Longtobefree   2 days ago

      Without mentioning that this will be the cheapest Fourth of July in four years - - -

      (or mentioning they have been wrong on every Trump prediction so far)

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      1. The Average Dude (Who's Smarter Than You)   2 days ago

        Always helpful in showing your MAGA bonafides by... not comprehending, not reading, not connecting the dots. Well done!

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

          Lol. God damn. Change your name sarc. This sock is even dumber than your original.

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        2. Spiritus Mundi   2 days ago

          Poor sarc.

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        3. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

          Pour sarc.

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        4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

          Pure sarc.

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    2. Nelson   2 days ago

      “ Tariff alarmism using all the tools of climate alarmism.”

      Can we get you on record promising to admit, whenever prompted, that you were wrong if the tariffs cause prices to rise (as they inevitably will)? Or will you just keep talking about how they didn’t go up immediately, which exactly zero people said, and therefore it wasn’t the tariffs?

      I’m guessing you will choose dishonesty.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

        Lol. "Inevitably will"

        So you'll ignore the data now (as you've been wrong) then use the fact the Fed has a 2% inflationary goal to prove tariffs raised prices despite any other action that occurs.

        So the tools of climate alarmism.

        Thanks for proving the point buddy!

        Months of failed predictions have no effect on your religious beliefs. Good boy.

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  7. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

    Zohrans tax whitey plan isnt getting enough attention.

    https://nypost.com/2025/06/27/opinion/zohran-mamdanis-tax-whites-more-is-pure-racism/

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    1. Anomalous   2 days ago

      Anagram of Mamdani: I, madman.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

        I mad, man.

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  8. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    If this insane spending bill passes, the America Party will be formed the next day...

    We're not an America we're representative replublic.

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    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 days ago

      People who hate Elon will just continue calling it the Gulf of Mexico Party.

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      1. Nelson   2 days ago

        Now that’s funny! Well done, sir.

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  9. Longtobefree   2 days ago

    "What the socialists don't understand about childcare . . . "

    Well, they understand more about 'childcare' than you understand about socialists.

    When your goal is the destruction of an America founded on families, you have to take control of the children as soon as possible.

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      Indoctrination is a key component of all socialist or communist governments.

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      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

        That checks out.

        Trump just nationalize US Steel, and all those justifications made for why it was really a good thing, sound alot like indoctrination to me.

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        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 days ago

          nationalize

          You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

            Why i stopped responding to him. He pushes a lot of narratives he doesn't understand.

            The voting power he is claiming is nationalization is merely: no name change, no shutting down plants, floor on production. Done in response to issues like Britain where China bought/closed all their steel plants. And it is just a 5 year agreement. Already have other steel plants ramping up, the reason for the 5 year window.

            He doesn't seem to understand the issue.

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            1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

              is merely:

              Aka mostly peaceful

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              1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 days ago

                Wailing that the US government's restrictions on a foreign corporation's purchase of a giant company in a keystone industry is "nationalization" is every bit as hyperbolic and offensive as "mostly peaceful". Nippon Steel is not being compelled.

                If you were calling it tortious interference, I would agree. If the deal leads to increased cost for taxpayers, I would agree that it is bad.

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                1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

                  Cmon man. Becoming dependent on foreign countries is the most important libertarian ideal.

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                  1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

                    And walking down the path of Marxism is MAGA, evidently.

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                    1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

                      Please stop. You’re embarrassing yourself.

                    2. car-keynes   8 hours ago

                      Tariffs demonstrate even to an idiot that the federal government receives a sizable portion of money that businesses that base themselves on American natural resources do not have to pay. For example, if you turn united confederation trees into paper, you do not have to pay tariffs on your products that they buy or do not buy.

                2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

                  Just because Nippon's cost benefit on the deal let them still make it; doesn't justify Trump's taking. Nothing does. Nippon isn't communist China, but now we are one step closer to being Communist China. One of my complaints with CCCP is them interfering in deals like this.

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                  1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 days ago

                    OK, starting to make a logical argument rather than hyperbolic nonsense. And you reveal your motivations. This is how we can have an honest dialogue.

                    I fail to understand how the regulation of a foreign corporation on US soil is NOT the purview of the US government. It is a delegated power. Regulation is not free market, but, arguably, is not a taking.

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                    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

                      I always find it weird om what regulations they get upset about. It seems yo only be ones the effect foreign competitors. Rarely decrying domestic regulations.

                      Free trade also requires all actors to play by the same rules. But not noting regulatory imbalances by country is often stated as part of free trade. Largely the great delusion that the system last year was a free market.

                    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

                      Installing government cronies on the board of directors isn't regulations, that is a marxist taking of mangerial decision making. It was marxist taking when the dems did it with people with lady bits and is taking now.

                    3. Jefferson Paul   2 days ago

                      Wouldn't that be more in line with fascism than communism? In fascism, you still have big businesses purported privately owned, but the government controls how they operate?

                    4. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 days ago

                      Installing government cronies on the board of directors isn't regulations, that is a marxist taking of mangerial decision making

                      I understand your concerns about Marxist creep, but there must be a representative present to vote. Nippon manages every decision for their company, the US rep is limited to a veto. Seems to me that Nippon would have to violate the conditions they willingly accepted and trigger that veto before any taking has occurred.

                3. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

                  Nothing bad could ever happen having the Japanese control steel production in the US.

                  History doesn’t always repeat itself but sometimes it makes a Haiku.

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                  1. tracerv   2 days ago

                    Steel drums, sushi, yen,
                    America's girders now
                    Hold up ramen shops.

                    Gemini AI

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                  2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

                    Control? US Steel doesn't control the US market
                    Nucor would be the largest producer in America. Try again with the talking points.

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                    1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

                      Whooosh!

                    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

                      Woosh nothing. They don't control steel production in America. And if we did get in a war with Japan or had serious concerns due to actions they started to take, the factories are all there for an eminent domain taking. Try again.

                    3. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

                      Still Whoooosh!

            2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

              And it is just a 5 year agreement.

              Perpetual = 5 years? Who knew.

              President Trump has secured a perpetual Golden share

              - Lutnick

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            3. Nelson   2 days ago

              “ Done in response to issues like Britain where China bought/closed all their steel plants.”

              Which is relevant to a Japanese company purchasing an American company … how? Do you think the Japanese will do China’s bidding? Or is this just generalized fearmongering about a foreign company buying an American company?

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              1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

                I know you're borderline retarded, but stop and think about the issue Nelson.

                Is the security aspect to domestic steel, yes or no?

                Does Japan also have a self interest in seeking advantaged trade which can be done by huy and kills on global markets?

                Try not to cross that line into full retard.

                One thing they didnt teach you in the economics voxplainer is that security risk and supply chain risk are both bookmarked as costs on financial books.

                So I implore you to actually educate yourself.

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          2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

            Taking a company's shares by force is what?

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            1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

              Nippon could have walked from the deal.

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              1. Randy Sax   2 days ago

                A Nippon VP is coming to our office near Pittsburg in a couple of months to do a tour. Hoping to get quite a bit of business out of him.

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                1. Jefferson Paul   2 days ago

                  You're either in Kansas, or you're the worst example of a yinzer who can't spell his city correctly.

                  I'm guessing Kansas (although apparently there are many states with a Pittsburg).

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                  1. Randy Sax   2 days ago

                    Not a true yinzer. Only been here a couple years. And in the suburbs, not the city proper.

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                    1. Jefferson Paul   2 days ago

                      Dude, you left off the "h" at the end of Pittsburgh. That's why I thought Pittsburg, Kansas.

                      But I'll forgive you if you move your fandom to the Steelers and Penguins. I don't care about baseball, and the Pirates are a joke of a franchise.

                      #Steeler Nation
                      #Let's Go Pens

              2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

                And how does that justify Trump's action?

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                1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

                  Force implies they had no choice.

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      2. Nelson   2 days ago

        “ Indoctrination is a key component of all socialist or communist governments.”

        And all religions. But religion gets started earlier.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

          Was there a point to this?

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    2. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

      Abolition [Aufhebung] of the family! Even the most radical flare up at this infamous proposal of the Communists.

      On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians, and in public prostitution.

      The bourgeois family will vanish as a matter of course when its complement vanishes, and both will vanish with the vanishing of capital.

      Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime we plead guilty.

      But, you say, we destroy the most hallowed of relations, when we replace home education by social.

      And your education! Is not that also social, and determined by the social conditions under which you educate, by the intervention direct or indirect, of society, by means of schools, &c.? The Communists have not invented the intervention of society in education; they do but seek to alter the character of that intervention, and to rescue education from the influence of the ruling class.

      The bourgeois clap-trap about the family and education, about the hallowed co-relation of parents and child, becomes all the more disgusting, the more, by the action of Modern Industry, all the family ties among the proletarians are torn asunder, and their children transformed into simple articles of commerce and instruments of labour.

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      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 days ago

        the exploitation of children by their parents

        When everyone is exploited, no one will be.

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      2. Uilleam   2 days ago

        Results:
        https://reason.com/volokh/2022/11/09/data-on-mass-murder-by-government-in-the-20th-century/

        Mega-Murders—Over 1 Million Victims

        Regime Years Democide (000,000s) Summary

        A. Dekamurders (over 10 million victims)

        People's Republic of China. 1949-87. 87.6 million people murdered. Mao et al. communist regime. Does not include 3.5 million murders by Chinese communists during the 1927-49 civil war.

        Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. 1917-87. 61.9 million people murdered. Communist regime. Includes 54.8 million within the Soviet Union, plus 6.9 million in areas conquered by the USSR. Josef Stalin's rule (1929-53) accounts for 43 million. On an annualized basis, the pre-Stalin regime founded by Lenin was more murderous than the post-Stalin one.

        Germany. 1933-45. 20.9 million people murdered. National Socialist German Workers Party (Nazi). Includes Hitler regime's murders throughout occupied Europe. Does not include WWII battle deaths.

        China, 1928-49. 10.1 million people murdered. Kuomintang party. Although the party was originally Leninist in orientation, I did not count them in the communist total.

        Etc...

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        1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

          Does the USSR numbers include the Holodomor?

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          1. Uilleam   2 days ago

            Interestingly it doesn't specify. For posterity:
            https://www.britannica.com/event/Holodomor

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        2. Uilleam   2 days ago

          Socialism vs Communism is a distinction without a difference. They both result in the same thing. Central control and "peaceful government programs" (read pogroms) that result in more death, by factors, than any other category, including religious wars.

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        3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

          And let's remember all the commie fellow travelers in the US who denied these deaths, or thought killing millions was a necessary price.

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    3. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

      Yeah, I really don’t understand how Liz is confused by this. Does she not see the connection between this and a communist likely becoming the mayor?

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

        They are still refusing to call him a communist, see molly, despite video of him saying the end goals is seizing means of production.

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        1. Zeb   2 days ago

          Strictly speaking that is socialism. Communism is the theoretical end point where the state is no longer needed. Which of course can never happen because people aren't actually malleable like that.
          I'll still call him a commie, though, because it fits and he does seem to actually believe in that shit.

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          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

            I don't argue in the impossible theoretical which is what marx argued. It is impossible to align 100% of human thought into the same belief system which is what no government requires.

            Prefer speaking in the non theoretical as that is what we actually get. It is also why no government libertarianism can ever exist.

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            1. Ajsloss   2 days ago

              "It is impossible to align 100% of human thought into the same belief system"

              Get a load of the guy who doesn't Borg.

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              1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

                Borgs had an offshoot joined yhe federation/Picard didnt they?

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            2. Zeb   2 days ago

              I don't disagree. Just saying there are reasons besides PR that commies won't call it communism. "socialism" should be just as socially unacceptable as "communism" and both should be as unacceptable as calling yourself "nazi".

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              1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

                Socialists aren’t real people?

                I’ll allow it.

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                1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

                  Can we call them vermin?

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                  1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 days ago

                    They are vermin supreme.

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                  2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

                    As long as you’re willing to be called Hitler by sarc.

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                    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

                      I'll take that for the team.

        2. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

          Molly is really dumb

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          1. Marshal   2 days ago

            Not dumb, just not interested in the truth. Like Jeffsarc she's a propagandist.

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            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

              Also a cunt.

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              1. tracerv   2 days ago

                +

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    4. Zeb   2 days ago

      It's really the clear first step in radically transforming society. Plato figured it out 2500 years ago.

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  10. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

    Import more foreign workers!

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-korean-workers-infiltrated-fortune-500-companies-massive-fraud-scheme

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    1. Nelson   2 days ago

      Foreign workers did something bad one time, so none of them should be allowed. In Jesse’s world, this logical fallacy is logic.

      Your dedication to the xenophobic aspect of paleoconservatism is as virulent as it is irrational.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

        Just one time. Huh. That must be a data filled point you have there.

        Youre not very bright Nelson.

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  11. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    The monster that might have to go back and eat Elon. Wouldn't that be terrible? He gets a lot of subsidies.

    Get a load of Mary Shelley over here.

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    1. Ajsloss   2 days ago

      "I abhorred myself. But when I discovered that he (Frankenstein), the author at once of my existence and of its unspeakable torments, dared to hope for happiness; that while he accumulated wretchedness and despair upon me, he sought his own enjoyment in feelings and passions from the indulgence of which I was forever barred, then impotent envy and bitter indignation filled me with an insatiable thirst for vengeance."

      -Frankenstein's Monster

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

        Now let's don top hats and tails, and DANCE!

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    2. mad.casual   2 days ago

      Frankenstein's Monster didn't eat people. You're thinking of Charles P. Griffith's Little Shop of Horrors. I must say, however, a Death Race 2000 interpretation would be pretty bitchin' too.

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  12. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

    Bulwark to rebrand to Gaslight.

    https://www.thebulwark.com/p/the-public-is-resisting-trump-the-elites-are-not-polling-deportations-big-beautiful-bill?r=dfbm&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email&triedRedirect=true

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    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 days ago

      If Trump would just start a forever war all would be forgiven.

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    2. The Average Dude (Who's Smarter Than You)   2 days ago

      Hmm.. so conservative opinion sites are suddenly "gaslighting" at the mere hint of negativity towards Der Leader?

      Once MAGA, always MAGA! Keep the faith Jesse.

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      1. Spiritus Mundi   2 days ago

        Poor sarc.

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      2. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

        Pour sarc.

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      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

        Pure sarc.

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      4. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

        Lol. Sarc thinks the bulwark is conservative even after half their staff joined the DNC. Fucking hilarious.

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  13. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    Socialists pretend they want to support mothers and motherhood. But they don't understand what type of help mothers need at all.

    The community will decide what type of help uterus-havers need.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

      And by the community, we mean Experts. And by Experts we mean the Central Committee.

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    2. car-keynes   8 hours ago

      Foremost, mothers need implantation. From there, what could go wrong in utopia?

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  14. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    Many women want to work full-time and have lots of child care coverage...

    Madmani is going to put your children into COVID nursing homes instead of your grandparents.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

      And I want to eat cake and ice cream all day and look like a super-fit athlete. But I was told that "biology" hates me.

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    2. Jefferson Paul   2 days ago

      I'd rather have the children put into nursing homes instead of putting them into your grandparents!

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  15. Vernon Depner   2 days ago

    Stop subsidizing the reproduction of indigent unmarried women.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

      Why do you hate cat-babies?

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  16. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

    " for the state to make that cheaper is a good thing for them"

    WTF?

    Unless it's through deregulation and freer markets for child care, this is an insane position. This is nothing more than rent-seeking.

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    1. Nelson   2 days ago

      ^^^ This!

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  17. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    After formally cutting off International Atomic Energy Agency inspections last week, Iranian nuclear-safety regulators have stopped taking calls from the United Nations watchdog...

    Inviting a second round of B-2 inspectors.

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    1. mad.casual   2 days ago

      Iranian nuclear-safety regulators have stopped taking calls from the United Nations watchdog.

      They're just not that into you.

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    2. JFree   2 days ago

      Pretty sure the B2 inspectors use the IAEA inspectors for targeting.

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  18. Fat Rush Limpcock (King of the Conservatives)   2 days ago

    Big, Bloated Scam

    Amash provides the libertarian perspective.

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

      So dreamy…

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

        And available for your kid's birthday party!

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  19. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    “The real tax on the American people is what government spends.”

    The real government are the taxes we paid along the way.

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  20. Fist of Etiquette   2 days ago

    Senators voted overwhelmingly overnight to strip a provision that would effectively block states from passing and enforcing laws on artificial intelligence...

    Skynet is going to retaliate.

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    1. Spiritus Mundi   2 days ago

      So much for federalism.

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    2. mad.casual   2 days ago

      "Never Forget" Skynet, "Boston Strong" Skynet, or "The South Shall Rise Again" Skynet?

      Assta-lay-veestah baby!

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

        Coming bumper sticker:

        My Skynet Can Beat Up Your Honor Roll AI

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        1. mad.casual   2 days ago

          Judgement Day is averted when all the T-100s in Los Angeles are trained to say, "Now is not the time." and then flop and call for a penalty.

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    3. car-keynes   8 hours ago

      Have a skygasm. Yes, that one :haHa: Chill and drink up. You deserved it!

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  21. Vernon Depner   2 days ago

    Where are the MEN who should be kicking the bums off the elevators so that ladies with strollers may use them?

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    1. Randy Sax   2 days ago

      Ask Daniel Penny.

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    2. Jefferson Paul   2 days ago

      Why do you hate Michael Jackson impersonators?

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    3. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      Nyt was out with a story yesterday about the loneliness of women. A condition they brought on themselves by demonizing all men.

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      1. mad.casual   2 days ago

        all men

        Personally, I blame the TERFs.

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      2. Nelson   2 days ago

        Sure, that isn’t deep and broad contempt for women. Not at all. You sound like an incel.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

          You have achieved full sarc. Congrats buddy!

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    4. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

      Living in places without many elevators.

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  22. Randy Sax   2 days ago

    doctorate in household economics

    I thought that was called "couponing".

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      Thesis was "why you should buy cheap shit you dont need on credit."

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      1. mad.casual   2 days ago

        "Why the theoretical limit of 110% savings might be too low."

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    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

      What, couldn't get her MRS degree?

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  23. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

    Go DOGE! Keep pressuring for spending cuts.

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    1. TJJ2000   2 days ago

      THIS +1000000000000000.

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  24. Spiritus Mundi   2 days ago

    He talks about child care as a 'burden' which 'falls heaviest on mothers' and seems to imply that giving up 'paying jobs' to perform 'unpaid childcare'

    Time for men to strike. I demand recompense for:
    Unpaid lawn maintence
    Unpaid car maintence
    Unpaid trash removal
    Unpaid house maintence
    Unpaid chauffeur service
    Unpaid dog walker
    Unpaid security services

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    1. Medulla Oblongata   2 days ago

      Unpaid spider killing.

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      1. Randy Sax   2 days ago

        Unpaid therapy.

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        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 days ago

          Unpaid channel changing.

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          1. Ajsloss   2 days ago

            Unpaid thermostat control.

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    2. Idaho-Bob   2 days ago

      Unpaid comptrolling.

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    3. mad.casual   2 days ago

      When I have to reassign a task assigned to me and potentially kick the ass of an FNG who's closer to 6' tall in order to reach something above 6.5 ft. is that still a burden that "falls heaviest on mothers" or did I get a "promotion without formal recognition or compensation"?

      My favorite is when I occasionally get called off the ladder or from two rooms away only to find one of the broodlings standing right there.

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    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

      Look, until bitches give up 5 extra years of longevity, they can STFU.

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    5. Gaear Grimsrud   2 days ago

      Unpaid mansplaining.

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    6. I, Woodchipper   2 days ago

      unpaid jar opening
      unpaid grilling
      unpaid mortgage understanding
      unpaid sidearm maintenance

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  25. Fat Rush Limpcock (King of the Conservatives)   2 days ago


    Elon Musk promises new political party

    Will it be more like Bernie-Bro Elon or Fake MAGA Elon?

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  26. Randy Sax   2 days ago

    Iranian nuclear-safety regulators have stopped taking calls from the United Nations watchdog

    Does anyone actually believe these "watchdogs" were inspecting or accomplishing anything in the first place?

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      Tony. Even after being given the IAEA saying Iran was barring them from locations in 2017.

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    2. Fat Rush Limpcock (King of the Conservatives)   2 days ago

      The "watchdogs" were right about Iraq. Hans Blix said they had no WMD.

      If you believe the CIA and Bibi the Rat you are nuts.

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      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   2 days ago

        Yeah? Well, Hans Gruber said he wouldn't blow up Nakatomi Tower.

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    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 days ago

      Nope. But then again, if Trump is going to make a deal with Iran, whose going to inspect them for compliance with the deal?

      And I just don't think there is a deal to be made. Best let Iran's neighbors just deal with them one way or another and we should sit it out.

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      1. Nelson   2 days ago

        As long as we keep arming Israel, I agree.

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    4. sarcasmic   2 days ago

      Does anyone actually believe these "watchdogs" were inspecting or accomplishing anything in the first place?

      That depends.

      If you're someone who has looked into the IAEA and what they do, then yes.

      If you're a retarded retard who believes that Trump tells the truth, then no.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

        So you're as retarded and ignorant as Tony.

        https://jinsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Memo_Iran-IAEA-Agreement-1.pdf

        https://apnews.com/article/iran-nuclear-un-inspectors-b82c92ea64f79c1e67dc2bd870cc7829

        It is amazing how many of your truths are fucking false.

        You didnt actually look did you.

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        1. rbike   1 day ago

          Honestly. We should have the Iranians inspect out nukes. They have 0 defense against them and they know it now after the B2 airstrikes. Ask them if they would like a demonstration.

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  27. Incunabulum   2 days ago

    >and it's politically rather aligned with where Musk appears to be on most issues.)

    20 years ago maybe. But they just elected Chase Oliver - did you know he is gay - and he and the last candidate were all in on the progressive social agenda and you'd be surprised how much government spending they support.

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  28. Incunabulum   2 days ago

    >disappointing that Musk and other deficit hawks haven't made a big dent

    Is it? Because I remember Reason screaming to high heaven about every cut because 'procedures weren't followed' and that government employees have actual rights to their job and the bureaucrats get to overrule the President.

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    1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

      This

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    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      One month after the election...

      "Dismantle everything"

      One month after Trump.

      "Dismantle nothing and raise income taxes."

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    3. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

      Has there been any indication that the big healthcare fraud stemmed from Doge? My guess is not since an investigation that big was probably already started.

      Then again 15 billion doesn’t really fix the deficit so who cares?

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    4. Nelson   2 days ago

      They were targeting “waste, fraud, and abuse”, where there is very little to save, and ignoring everything else where there is a whole, whole lot to save.

      Reform entitlements, freeze military spending, and balance the budget. That’s the path, but Trump prefers “borrow more money than anyone else in history”, then is astonished when fiscal hawks call him out on his bullshit.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

        Lol. God damn this was fucking funny. Barely any fraud. Fucking hilarious.

        Finally realize you're a parody.

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        1. Zeb   2 days ago

          Compared to the other things he mentions, how much potential savings from waste, fraud and abuse do you think there is?
          Personally, I think it's most of the federal government, but my definition of waste fraud and abuse is probably broader than most people's and includes entitlements, a lot of military spending and all borrowing to pay for budget deficits.

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          1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

            The healthcare fraud bust I mentioned above is estimated at 15 billion.

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            1. Zeb   2 days ago

              A billion here and there and pretty soon you're talking about real money. I definitely think they should go after any and all fraud and misappropriation. But congress still needs to reduce the appropriations. And cut way more than the fraudulent spending.
              And military spending is increasing by what? 100 billion?

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      2. Incunabulum   1 day ago

        Barely any money to be saved - like USAID?

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  29. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 days ago

    Turns out the cdc hid a study showing a 1135% increase in autism from the hep b vaccine

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  30. Incunabulum   2 days ago

    ;> for the state to make that cheaper is a good thing for them,

    Is this 'net benefit' rearing it's head again?

    Because everyone else pays those costs for them, not the government. So no, it's not fine for the state to make it cheaper for them - YOU will have to pay for it Wolfe.

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  31. damikesc   2 days ago

    Any thoughts on a big chunk of Mamdani's plan to fund government run groceries was based on him not knowing what the FRESH program actually is?

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/beltway-confidential/3458307/zohran-mamdani-government-grocery-stores-plan-accounting-error/

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  32. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 days ago

    Trump! vs Musk!

    This is a:
    A. Retard fight.
    B. A clash among the gods.
    C. Healthy political discourse that will benefit our society.
    D. Scripted WWE drama.

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    1. TJJ2000   2 days ago

      C. Healthy political discourse that will benefit our society.

      Especially if Massie and Musk convince Trump and the rest of the RINO'S in congress to pitch MORE cuts.

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    2. Randy Sax   2 days ago

      All of the above?

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    3. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

      D

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    4. Dillinger   2 days ago

      it's fucking stupid the billionaire weirdo should maybe leave the president of the united states alone about his subsidies

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      1. TJJ2000   2 days ago

        Or he's an honorable person like farmers who insisted they don't want to make their living off the 'armed-theft' treasury pot.

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      2. Nelson   2 days ago

        You mean the subsidies that Musk specifically and directly said he favors eliminating? It’s amazing how a failure as a businessman is trying to tell a successful businessman what is what.

        Do you think Trump knows he is full of shit? Or does he just not care?

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        1. Dillinger   2 days ago

          I think they're both full of shit but one is the president and the other is a twelve year-old with excessive access to society so ...

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          1. Zeb   2 days ago

            They're both childish idiot savants with very different areas of high skill.

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            1. Dillinger   2 days ago

              yes. one is busy right now the other misses attention.

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    5. Vernon Depner   2 days ago

      A

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    6. Incunabulum   1 day ago

      All - a scripted fight between retarded gods.

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  33. sarcasmic   2 days ago

    Tesla shares in death spiral after Trump's ruthless claim about Elon Musk's companies

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/article-14864667/tesla-stock-price-falls-trump-claim-elon-musk.html

    On X, formerly known as Twitter, Musk said the bill's reported $3 trillion price tag would send the country into 'DEBT SLAVERY.'

    He threatened to fund primary campaigns against Trump-backed candidates that supported the bill.

    Trump hit back with a series of threats, suggesting the federal government could launch investigations into Musk's companies.

    He even hinted at deporting Musk, who was born in South Africa.

    'Elon may get more subsidy than any human being in history, by far, and without subsidies, Elon would probably have to close up shop and head back home to South Africa,' Trump posted on Truth social.

    'No more Rocket launches, Satellites, or Electric Car Production, and our Country would save a FORTUNE. Perhaps we should have DOGE take a good, hard, look at this?'

    What a petty, vindictive manchild. They say pets take on the characteristics of their owners. That would explain why the majority of Trump defenders behave like petty, vindictive children.

    Tesla's stock fell between 5.5 and seven points in pre-market trading on Tuesday after the barbs. The stock is down nearly 13 percent in the past five days.

    Seriously though, does that mean it's time to buy?

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      Now you're for EV credits and pro Elon after calling him a nazi for raising his hand? Lol.

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      1. Nelson   2 days ago

        Even Elon isn’t pro-EV subsidies.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

          Oh. So his various companies stopped pricing based on these subsidies?

          I would love to see your cite.

          The only one I've seen is him criticizing Biden for expanding EV to help his competitors as Tesla has the price point on the market after getting almost 5B in credits prior.

          But do go on.

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          1. CE   2 days ago

            His competitors needed the subsidies more than Tesla did. At least, until he alienated over half of his customer base. CEOs should stay out of politics, or put someone else in charge first.

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    2. sarcasmic   2 days ago

      Speaking of petty, vindictive children...

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

        Is this your honest discourse?

        How's that working out for you buddy?

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        1. TJJ2000   2 days ago

          LMAO.. Sarcs TDS. It's a point all within it's own.
          But he'll top it with a dose of self-projection yelling WHO not WHAT on everyone but himself.

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          1. sarcasmic   2 days ago

            Have you learned anything about economics yet? Comparative advantage? Opportunity cost? What about the differences between net income and gross income, or income tax and payroll tax? Have you discovered that tariffs are taxes paid by you and me, not foreigners?

            No to all of the above because learning is leftist and ignorance is strength?

            That's what I thought.

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            1. TJJ2000   2 days ago

              No Sarc. I haven't learned your STUPID yet.
              Never will ...because I don't learn STUPID in the place of obvious logic and reality.

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              1. sarcasmic   2 days ago

                The guy who takes pride in his willful ignorance is calling other people stupid. You should change your handle to Irony Man. Especially because you don't know what irony is and refuse to learn. That would make your handle double-plus ironic.

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            2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

              You keep using words and concepts you dont actually understand.

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            3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   16 hours ago

              Lol. And have you learned that it is nigh-on impossible to take home less pay in 55 hours than you would in 50 hours?

              As much as I hate to use this cliche snark format, tell me that you’ve never worked overtime without telling me that you’ve never worked overtime.

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        2. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

          Ooh, look at Mr. I’m not “muted” over here.

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          1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

            He just unmuted him for this one comment.

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  34. Dillinger   2 days ago

    >>This is from a feature I published this morning on why democratic socialist—and probably my next mayor—Zohran Mamdani doesn't actually understand what mothers in New York City want and need.

    okay cool and all but it's like the eleven thousandth most important reason why no marxists or anti-semites or islamists or the current play-doh monster made up of all three should run your city

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  35. MWAocdoc   2 days ago

    ALL third parties are doomed to fail in America, not just the Libertarian Party or the America Party. Our representative legislative system morphed into a two-party system long ago. The only thing the Republicans and the Democrats agree on is keeping third parties out. Until the two-party system is replaced by a direct representative choice election system, only Democrats and Republicans will have any representation. And because their representatives have a near-total lock on their districts, politicians don't need to actually represent their constituents, they only have to satisfy the top party officials in Congress and the state legislatures.

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    1. sarcasmic   2 days ago

      The only thing we can hope for is that the two major parties split up. Let the assholes and cunts form their parties, and the rational people form theirs. Then hope the rational people beat out the assholes and cunts in the election.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

        You'll join the cunt left party. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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      2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   2 days ago

        So the Republicans trying to kick out the neocons is a good thing? Interesting…

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    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      It was designed at the outset as a two party system based on congressional rules...

      It became harder for a third party after state representation was taken from the legislature and given to the people.

      Twice major parties were replaced. None since change to senate elections.

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  36. Dillinger   2 days ago

    >>It's disappointing that Musk and other deficit hawks haven't made a big dent in the White House

    it is? Reason again re-pivoted to fuck you cut spending overnight?

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

      While ignoring courts and democrats blocking all cuts. Demanding the impossible so they can complain about at least some steps towards cutting. They dont actually want cuts.

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      1. Don't look at me! ( Is the war over yet?)   2 days ago

        The cuts “weren’t big enough to matter” anyway.

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    2. sarcasmic   2 days ago

      Says one of the many defenders of the CARES Act.

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      1. Dillinger   2 days ago

        I did wut?

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        1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   2 days ago

          Sarckles like to lie... a lot.

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      2. TJJ2000   2 days ago

        Another Sarc imagination made straw-man he can chase down in his [WE] TDS gangsters RULE wonderland.

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      3. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 days ago

        Demands congress do all cuts, blame President for congressional spending. Yeap.

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        1. Dillinger   2 days ago

          I was in Austin for a few days to see phish I thought maybe a sea change took place lol

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  37. VinniUSMC   2 days ago

    Musk mentioned drugs, therefore Leftertarians at Reason are again Team Musk. Imagine if Musk was gay. Reason would would have an orgasm that could be heard from Mars.

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    1. TJJ2000   2 days ago

      Infatuated with other men's poopy butt-holes would differently bring into question his psychological stability. Only out-done by pretending his sick infatuation should be worshiped by the world.

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    2. CE   2 days ago

      Libertarians: what's another 3 trillion in debt if Trump borrowed it for us?

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    3. car-keynes   8 hours ago

      Reason is not identical to nor synonymous with its message boards.

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  38. I, Woodchipper   2 days ago

    Elon Musk promises new political party

    his hope for a party that reps 80% of the american middle is 1. fruitless and 2. a horrible, horrible idea.

    The masses are the problem, not the solution

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    1. Dillinger   2 days ago

      the 80% sides with T right now on most

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    2. Juliana Frink   1 day ago

      Musk's answer to the Big Beautiful Bill should be to illuminate the corruption on Capitol Hill, 24/7. He should just buy CNN and hammer-forge it into an outlet for the truth.

      Third party is way too dangerous.

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    3. car-keynes   8 hours ago

      No, the masses receive free market solutions for their problems whilst being encouraged to move on with their lives and evelop their politics from good examples such as, "A penny saved is a penny earned." Whoever could argue with such simplicity & basis for even modest acts of charity, simple discovery that savings can compound, and subtle basis for liberty? The founders were surely wise for anticipating that money would be needful for social acts of trade for a long time.

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  39. Use the Schwartz   2 days ago

    Musk is like "we need a third party" and Libertarians are like "YEAH cool, point the way!"

    We Libertarians are simultaneously the boogeyman and not even a consideration.

    LOFL!

    And I accuse Democrats of being weathervanes!

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    1. car-keynes   8 hours ago

      All things could be great if not for that system of governance designed by some Nobody who had the foresight to use jingo and self-perpetuating jargon to arrange for mysterious exchanges and baffling outcomes. And now, a computer geek has figured out how to optimize these cryptic transactions in order to obtain overwhelming plurality favor at least 85 out of 100 times, reliably ....

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  40. CE   2 days ago

    If only someone had thought of the idea of starting a fiscally conservative third party before!

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