Sotomayor Is Right. Trump's 'Third Country Removals' Raise Serious Due Process Worries.
The liberal justice faults the majority for leaving deportees to “suffer violence in far-flung locales.”

The U.S. Supreme Court this week allowed the Trump administration to resume deporting noncitizens to countries with which they have no ties.
Why did the Supreme Court do it? Unfortunately, we don't know why because the Court declined to say. The ruling came in the form of an unsigned emergency order that offered zero explanation. But Justice Sonia Sotomayor, joined by Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson, did file a dissent. And that dissent painted an extremely unflattering picture of what the other six justices were up to.
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The case is known as Department of Homeland Security v. D.V.D. It arose when the Trump administration sought to deport a group of men—all immigrants who have been convicted of crimes—to South Sudan and other nations where the immigrants have no connections, a process known as "third country removal."
Third-country removals are legal, but only as a kind of last resort. When it is "impractical, inadvisable, or impossible" to deport an alien to "the country of which the alien is a citizen, subject, or national," or to "the country in which the alien was born," or to "the country in which the alien has a residence," it is only then permissible under federal law to deport the alien to "a country with a government that will accept the alien."
Third-party removals must also conform to the Foreign Affairs Reform and Restructuring Act, which says that it "shall be the policy of the United States not to expel, extradite, or otherwise effect the involuntary return of any person to a country in which there are substantial grounds for believing the person would be in danger of being subjected to torture."
A federal district judge blocked the third-country removals at issue in this case because the Trump administration failed to provide the men with a "meaningful opportunity" to object to being deported to places where they might be tortured, such as war-torn South Sudan. ("Do not travel to South Sudan due to crime, kidnapping, and armed conflict," the State Department currently advises.) In other words, the judge ruled against the Trump administration because the men were being denied due process, which the Constitution provides to persons, not just to citizens.
The Supreme Court's emergency order lifted that block, thereby allowing the deportations to proceed.
Here is how Sotomayor's dissent characterized the underlying legal dispute: "Plaintiffs merely seek access to notice and process, so that, in the event the Executive makes a determination in their case, they learn about it in time to seek an immigration judge's review." The Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment, she maintained, "unambiguously guarantees that right."
Does the majority disagree that such due process is "unambiguously" guaranteed in a case like this? Do the other six justices believe that due process was actually satisfied by the Trump administration's actions? It would be nice to know what the Court was thinking on such a pressing legal matter.
"Apparently," Sotomayor wrote, "the Court finds the idea that thousands will suffer violence in far-flung locales more palatable than the remote possibility that a District Court exceeded its remedial powers when it ordered the Government to provide notice and process to which the plaintiffs are constitutionally and statutorily entitled."
I share Sotomayor's concerns. The Trump administration has not exactly earned the benefit of the doubt when it comes to its adherence to the letter of the law on immigration (or on birthright citizenship, or on tariffs, or on war powers). So if the Supreme Court is going to give the green light to Trump in a case like this one, the Court should, at the very least, share its rationale so that we can fully assess its seemingly suspect judgment for ourselves.
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"Apparently," Sotomayor wrote, "the Court finds the idea that thousands will suffer violence in far-flung locales more palatable than the remote possibility that a District Court exceeded its remedial powers..."
Except that District Courts exceeding their authority has been an ongoing problem when Trump has been in office, and SCOTUS has told them to knock it off several times previously.
In this case the judge is openly defying scotus.
The judges rulings were completely in line with legal precedent. SCOTUS is making things up as they go along to give Trump what he wants.
Post hall of fame.
Scotus actually followed the law. They didnt make up their own additions to the law.
Youre not very bright dr retard.
Delusional comment of the year.
Provide all of the legal precedents that say district judges can override the executive performing executive duties.
Immigration laws are the sole prerogative of Congress and Trump is obligated to follow federal law.
He is following the INA as written. The law congress defined uses administrative courts and excluded article 3 courts.
I'm glad you're now admitting trump is following the law.
Trump is violating the Foreign Affairs Reform and Restructuring Act.
How, please cite with examples and links in a 500 word essay?
No he isnt. You dont understand the words in that act.
Who's responsible for enforcing immigration laws, genius?
Damn, you’re not just delusional but also retarded. Very retarded.
"Immigration laws are the sole prerogative of Congress and Trump is obligated to follow federal law."
Biden didn't.
Just saying.
That's (D)ifferent.
""Immigration laws are the sole prerogative of Congress""
Yes, but you should see how much they give the AG discretion. AGs using discretion given to them by Congress is lawful.
You obviously woke up on the retard side of the bed again this AM.
Every side of Molly's bed is the retard side of the bed.
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
Goddamn doc.
Wait, so it's okay for a district court to defy Scotus?
Frankly, Wise Latina, I don't care. If illegals didn't enter the country illegally in the first place they wouldn't have to worry about this and i'm not losing much sleep over "due process". Screw them.
Illegals can go home when ever they like. The fact they don't and have to be forced to leave means they no longer get to chose where they go. Other criminals don't get to decide where they will serve their sentence either.
Hope you NYC open borders people are reaping the fruits of your agenda.
What you said is not what federal law currently is.
Yes. It is. The INA allows for 3rd country removals when the country of origin refuses repatriation. How are you wrong on everything?
By a 6-3 decision, SCOTUS believes that is what federal law says.
Molly’s comprehension skills manage to make Sarc look good.
Still batting 100 at being wrong. Worse. Parody. Ever.
Damn. Why do you just put out random shit that is wrong every day? At least take the time to look up what you are posting.
There is a very simple possibility here: the majority gave it to Trump to avoid having to dedicate a substantial amount of his term to just immigration.
They gave it to Trump because the law passed by congress allows it. Roberts even said it is not up to scotus to fix bad laws. It was constitutional, a passed law, and executed under those terms. Reason and Sotomayor want judicial supremacy to rewrite laws.
The Foreign Affairs Reform and Restructuring Act says the opposite of what Trump wants.
This remains false. Even in your cites below it states substantial belief. Not merely claim. Those words have meaning dumbass.
The laws aren't what you wish they are. The INA is clear on the standards for 3rd country removals. They are being followed.
You just make shit up dont you Tony.
Why not just say that these illegals can be dropped into the sea and save the cost of the flights? IT seems that many of the posters here would be fine with that.
And shrike continues to ignore what the law actually is because he chooses ignorance.
This seems pretty clear:
(a) Policy.--It shall be the policy of the United States not to
expel, extradite, or otherwise effect the involuntary return of any
person to a country in which there are substantial grounds for
believing the person would be in danger of being subjected to torture,
regardless of whether the person is physically present in the United
States.
Look at racist molly thinking Sudan is just a torture machine.
Now cite the INA and 3rd party removals.
But according to justice Sotomayor's ideological allies, the United States is a white supremacist country that regularly tortures and represses people of color. So obviously the migrants would be better off in a country filled with people of color, like South Sudan.
hahahahaha. Does someone have to explain the difference between policy and law? I guess so.
"It's the policy of the United States to give Iran billions of dollars and not bomb them" Biden"
"It's the policy to bomb the shit out of Iran's nuke sites" Trump
That is exactly where this is going. And sooner than later - citizens to be dropped into the sea not just illegals.
No.
When EXACTLY do the jackboots and thugs decide which of the people they've captured is a citizen or an illegal?
They get a positive check on his ID and immigration status at the time he is detained.
It literally even happened 2 months back when an activist claimed to be an illegal. DHS was given docs. Once confirmed he was released.
Assuming both that they bother to check and that their system is flawless.
Nothing is "flawless", even when enforcing laws against drunk driving, murder, etc. That doesn't mean we should stop enforcing those laws. Opponents of ICE are demanding an impossible standard that they would not apply to any other agency.
The entire purpose of due process is separation of powers. To ensure that the legislator, cop, prison guard, judge, jury, and executioner are not all the same person.
You otoh think that is way too expensive. The police state wing of libertarianism. Which unfortunately was explicitly promoted by Rothbard and now the Mises Caucus clowns.
If you're going to invoke due process understand what the fuck it means first.
You people are fucking delusional.
If progressives and Marxists have their way, you bet it is as the people that won't knuckle under to the communists are always the first to go.
She seems to have no sympathy whatsoever except for an abstract perverse cause : Jun 22, 2024 — “Same-sex couples may be forced to relocate to countries that do not recognize same-sex marriage, or even those that criminalize homosexuality,”
Now, tell me, is this what immigration is now, the worrying over 'couples' that most people deplore anyway. No , I am not saying any harm should come to them. But we are not going to stock the American pond with deviants and feel moral about it.
Sotomayor is talking about <.5% !!! and not a word about balancing it with all the harm being done by Tren de Aragua and MS-13....I don't hope for it but if some gay terrorists hit her radar what will she say???
Yeah I could step off a curb and get hit by a bus. The administration must order all buses to immediately turn around. Per the article the individuals in question have already been convicted of crimes which appears to be why their home countries have refused to repatriate them. They are being sent to prison and, while I don't know about Sudan, around here married couples gay or otherwise don't get to share a cell so marital status would seem irrelevant. In any case this speculative bullshit doesn't appear to have been raised by either party and has no place in a federal court. This judge is supposed to be ruling on points of law which she seems intent on ignoring.
It continues to amaze me how reason refuses to understand what due process means or the fact that foreigners have no right to remain in country. The INA is clear on 3rd country removals when country of origin refuse returns. Why must the US be burdened by criminals their own countries refuse?
They chose to remain here illegally.
Due process has determined they have no right to be in this country.
The consequence of that is they are criminals, with significantly less rights than everyone else.
Should we just shoot them and dump the bodies in the ocean?
Criminals prior to conviction have same rights as everyone else. And most immigrants are not criminals. In the US non-criminals get deported and 34 time convicted felon get elected president.
False. They have zero right to remain in the US unlike citizens.
This is about criminal vs non-criminal not citizen vs non citizen.
It has nothing to do with any of those things dumdum.
It is about valid legal status to remain in country. 3rd party's get brought in when country of origin refuses repatriation. Youre always wrong on every topic. It is amazing.
You either a bot or a paid troll. Enough of your nonsense.
If they are in the Country without following the legal procedures to be here, they are committing a crime. That makes them Criminals. Plain and simple. Then if they are working in the Country without legal permission to do so, guess what? They are committing another crime. It is plain and simple.
Molly, got a DUI on your record? I triple dog dare to to drive to the Canadian border right now and ask to be let in.
"...34 time convicted felon get elected president."
The obviously biased prosecutor of the Trump case fiddled his credentials to get the case, then fiddled the definition of 'felony" to turn an exceedingly common misdemeanor into a felon, then decided that because there were 38 identical payments, it meant there were 39 felonies. This WILL be overturned if they get a moral judge on appeal.
It was all done so they could call Trump a "convicted felon".
And YOU are arguing for fairness for people who deliberately violated our laws, refuse to go back home where they have not violated laws, and voluntarily stay here living off our charity, where the US decides which laws they are to be treated to? And you say they are not "criminals" here? We owe them nothing.
I am weary from lefties waving their fingers under my nose because I am not sufficiently compassionate over anyone they define as "oppressed." I honestly don't care what happens to them. I care about my over-taxed, excessively chastized fellow citizens who are expected to care about these uninvited invaders who are given food, shelter , education, health care and sympathy on my dime. Enough. No wonder Trump won.
Wrong-O. All illegals are criminals because, IDK, they are here illegally. They should be sent back to their country of origin immediately. Biden doesn't get to flood the US with millions of illegals without due process of immigration law and then people like you argue we can't deport any of them without endless court battles. Fuck you.
False,they have no rights , crossing the border is not magic.
So nobody is above the law except illegal aliens, progressive district judges and violent leftist rioters and activists. Thanks for clearing that up you Marxist proggie scum.
Damon, you applying to The Bukwark?
SCOTUS to Trump: Deport, Deport, Ignore the Courts
Right-wing justices give the president a green light for the deportation programs lower courts have found unlawful.
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/scotus-supreme-court-to-president-trump-deportations-ignore-courts-south-sudan
They accept writers who can't be bothered with reading laws as well.
There are 700 federal judges and 260 weekdays in a year. If each judge sees only deportation cases and limits each to one day in court they can preside over 180,000 a year. With about 10 million illegal crossings during the Biden years it will take 54 years to see them all in court.
This is more like driving without a license. If caught, the police do not let you get back into the car and drive away, continuing the offense. If in the country without papers or with expired ones, send them home.
Then hire judges. The reality is that we do have workload statistics. Which means that processes can actually be managed - not simply thrown away because R's don't like process or brown people and aren't competent to manage.
Oh sure, let's just go to the money tree and harvest all the funds we would need to do that. It's not like our country is already 36 trillion in debt.
Also, that would take a hell of a long time. It not like there are thousands of unemployed judges sitting around just waiting for a job.
Oh ok. Well let's eliminate due process if it saves money.
Of course one of the things that competent managers would do - on seeing the migration statistics - is figure out ways to PREVENT migration that is viewed as excessive - via bilateral negotiations with the countries they originate from. That's what we did in the 19th century - not that any assclowns here pay the slightest attention to actual history.
And hey - setting up a police state has positive externalities compared to something like bilateral negotiation. Fascists gotta fascist.
No one has eliminated due process. The due process is confirming the migrant's identity, and confirming his immigration status. That is still happening.
Illegal immigration under Trump has already slowed to almost nil. That's the effective way to stop it - to remove the incentives like free health care and hotel rooms and make it clear that they will be deported. Diplomacy won't do crap because migrants aren't obligated to obey their own governments.
Like other idiots here you refuse to learn what the actual due process is for immigration removals.
Kind of like immigration law was flushed down the toilet by Biden and we got millions storming our borders? If they came in by bypassing all the laws in place then we should show them the doors likewise.
One thing is certain - There is a contingent of Americans who demand the rest of us accept illegal immigration no matter what the circumstances. Killers, terrorists, rapists, arsonists, pedos, and common tax leeches are defended no matter what. But this phenomenon only began with election of Trump.
Not a peep when we had the Droner or the Drooler.
They of course don't want the illegal aliens living in their neighborhoods ( see Martha's Vineyard for example). Only the proles are required to accept illegal aliens in their neighborhoods.
S.. is maybe the laziest Justice of the last 100 years.
Just two examples
1) she stated that bumpstocks can enable AR-15s to fire 800 rounds per second
2) During Covid : “We have over 100,000 children, which we’ve never had before, in serious condition, and many on ventilators.”
At the time Sotomayor spoke, fewer than 5,000 people under the age of 18 were hospitalized in the US with confirmed or suspected cases of Covid-19; the reported number of child hospitalizations was 4,464 on Thursday, the day before the hearing
THIS IS INDEFENSIBLE AND HATEFUL
Back again, who can forget : giving hormones to 'trans kids' is like taking aspirin <==== She said that with a straight smug face
1'44" mark on this
https://youtu.be/uM_RAmVP3PY
Here's the link given in the article.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-1999-04-05/pdf/99-8547.pdf
I don't see anything regarding immigration or removals mentioned.
I found it.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/105th-congress/house-bill/1757/all-actions
Says it was vetoed.
Sotomayor Is Right.
Ahahahahaahahhaahahahahaha.
How pathetic has Reason become to type that sentence?
The Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment, she maintained, "unambiguously guarantees that right."
There is nothing in the Fifth about housing criminals.
These criminals HAD their due process in the trial in which they were found guilty.
Now it's simply a matter of where to house them.
The places they are actually from refuse to accept them.
So we find someone who will.
Will they be treated well?
Who cares? These are despicable animals so vile that even their honelands don't want them.
Why are leftists always the champions of the worst people they can find? Rapists, theives, murderers, pedophiles. There is no one so low, so vile, so predatory and monstrous that Reason will not spare a moment or two to sue for it's release.
The difficulty with Damon Root's complaints is that the statutes he appeals to do not offer any grounds for a different result.
The statute which objects to sending people to places where there are "substantial grounds for believing the person would be in danger of being subjected to torture" has nothing to say about places which are "war-torn" or beset by "crime, kidnapping, and armed conflict."
Each of these items present the danger of suffering, but they are not torture.
Moreover Section 1242 of FARRA is about "INVOLUNTARY RETURN" - it is so headed, and it follows as a specific item after the general policy of Section 1241 has been stated - which is explicitly about "INVOLUNTARY RETURN."
Neither provision has anything to do with removals which are not returns. If you are a Peruvian being returned to Peru, you can perhaps appeal to the protections of Section 1241 and 1242. But if you are Canadian and you are being deported to Peru because the Canadians will not take you back, then these Sections don't help you. You are not being "returned."