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Executive Power

The Attack on Iran Is Unlawful

Trump's attack on Iran plainly violates the War Powers Act. Limits on executive power are most important when they are inconvenient.

Eric Boehm | 6.22.2025 11:20 AM

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President Trump speaking following his strike on Iran | Carlos Barria - via CNP/Polaris/Newscom
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Hours after the U.S. bombed several sites in Iran, President Donald Trump called the operation a "spectacular military success."

Whether or not that turns out to be true, the attack looks rather different as a legal matter. Trump appears to have significantly overstepped his authority, as the attack was not authorized by Congress and was not in response to an attack on American soil or American troops. The best the White House has been able to come up with so far is that Trump acted under the legal authority "afforded to him as Commander in Chief," as a White House official told Real Clear Politics on Saturday night.

Sorry, but that simply isn't good enough.

Under the War Powers Act of 1973, the law that governs presidential authority to order military strikes, there are three lawful ways for a commander-in-chief to order the bombing of another country. None of them appears to cover the strikes carried out on Saturday.

Here is the relevant section of the law (emphasis added): "The constitutional powers of the President as Commander-in-Chief to introduce United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, are exercised only pursuant to (1) a declaration of war, (2) specific statutory authorization, or (3) a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

The first two options provided by the law are clearly not involved here, as Congress did not declare war against Iran and did not pass an authorization for the use of military force (as was done to allow the invasion of Iraq in 2002).

The third circumstance also does not apply to Trump's attack on Iran, which was not carried out in response to an attack on American troops and did not respond to a crisis threatening American soil. As Reason's Matthew Petti wrote in the wake of the attack last night: "This campaign is a war of choice. And the administration did not try to sell it to Congress—let alone the American people—before embarking on it. Instead, Trump watched Israel launch a first strike on Iran, then threatened to get involved, talking himself into a corner. Now he seems to be hoping that Iran simply won't respond to being attacked."

The War Powers Act does not include a clause allowing presidents to bomb other countries just because. It also—despite the fact that the law is frequently discussed in political media in these terms—does not allow a window of 48 hours for the president to do whatever he pleases before alerting Congress and seeking further authorization.

That 48-hour window (as outlined in a subsequent section of the War Powers Act) applies only if the president is engaged in a lawful use of military force—that is, if he is acting in accordance with one of the three mechanisms built into the first section of the law.

"If there's an attack in progress on the United States (i.e., currently happening), we expect the president to respond swiftly to neutralize the attack and protect Americans—and then we will hold the president to account," explained former Rep. Justin Amash (L–Mich.) in a post on X. "The Framers of the Constitution agreed at the debates in the federal convention of 1787 that the president should have the 'power to repel sudden attacks' but not the power to otherwise introduce forces into hostilities without congressional approval."

Some current members of Congress seem to be greeting the news of Saturday's attack with appropriate skepticism about Trump's authority.

"This is not constitutional," Rep. Thomas Massie (R–Ky.) wrote on X after Trump announced the attack. Massie introduced a bipartisan resolution last week to block the use of military force against Iran without congressional authorization, but the measure has not received a vote.

"While President Trump's decision may prove just, it's hard to conceive a rationale that's Constitutional," Rep. Warren Davidson (R–Ohio) wrote on X.

Some Democrats, including Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D–N.Y.) and Rep. Sean Casten (D–Ill.), said Trump's decision to strike Iran without congressional authorization should be grounds for impeachment. That is one option that should be on the table as Congress considers how to respond to Trump's ordering of this attack.

But there are unlikely to be any direct political consequences for Trump as long as House Speaker Mike Johnson (R–La.) is willing to look the other way. In a statement released on Saturday night, Johnson said the strikes were "necessary, limited, and targeted."

Even if that is true, it would just underline the importance of getting approval from Congress. The White House could have made the case to lawmakers (and their constituents) that a strike against Iran's nuclear facilities was necessary and in the best interest of the United States.

The War Powers Act should not be treated as a series of suggestions that can be discarded when they seem inconvenient. Indeed, limits on executive power are most essential at the moments when they are inconvenient—otherwise, they are meaningless. Trump's attack on Iran was not just an assault on a suspected nuclear weapons program; it was yet another blow against the separation of powers and the fundamental structure of the American constitutional system.

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  1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   11 hours ago

    This seems to be the new demcorat talking point. And of course sullum runs with it.

    https://jonathanturley.org/2025/06/22/the-claude-rains-school-of-constitutional-law-democrats-denounce-iranian-attack-as-unconstitutional/#comments

    The War Powers Act has always been controversial and largely ineffectual. Presidents have long asserted the inherent powers to conduct such attacks under their Article II authority as the designated Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces. The WPA requires the President to inform Congress within 48 hours in a written notice to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President pro tempore of the Senate of the action.

    The WPA further bars the use of armed forces in such a conflict for more than 60 days without congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States. There is a further 30-day withdrawal period.

    Trump notified congress within 48 hours.

    Turkey even cites the controlling case.

    President Trump reportedly did immediately notify Congress after the attack under the WPA .

    Presidents have routinely ignored the WPA when it limited their ability to conduct foreign military operations. In 1999, Clinton ignored the 60-day deadline and continued to bomb forces in Kosovo. His actions were also challenged, but the court in Campbell v. Clinton just shrugged off the violation and said it was a non-justiciable political question.

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   11 hours ago

      And i will add for sarc and his retarded socks like alberto I was against the US action. But that doesn't mean it is illegal or unconstitutional.

      Of course you idiots were also celebrating Schumer calling Trump a coward with his TACO post 3 weeks ago.

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      1. BYODB   10 hours ago

        Yeah, I'm not a fan of U.S. strikes on Iran since Israel seems to be doing fine all on their own.

        Know what though? In the grand scheme of things, bombing Iran is less bullshit than Obama sending them over a billion dollars in cash. If Iran wanted those American weapons, they shouldn't have overthrown the guy that bought them.

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        1. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   9 hours ago

          I think we’re just hitting the sites that require bunker busters.

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          1. BYODB   8 hours ago

            Bombs are bombs, and they are dropping in Iran. Not that I'm overly upset by bombing a theocratic state looking to create nuclear weapons, but it should probably require a bit more than the whim of the President to do it.

            Since it doesn't require more than that right now though, it is what it is. At least there aren't American troops invading, and it's unlikely there will be any at least for the foreseeable future.

            Congress hasn't done anything about this for way longer than I've been alive, and it seems they aren't willing to do anything about it now either so I have reason to suspect their rending of garments is performative.

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            1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   3 hours ago

              ^ This is where I’m at too.

              “Fuck it, let’s go bowling.”

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          2. Rob Misek   8 hours ago

            Israel commits a holocaust in Gaza. The US supplies bombs and funds to help the Jews commit the atrocity.

            US citizens protest the Jewish crimes against humanity. The US government violates is own constitution and laws to suppress the protests.

            Israel launches an unprovoked attack on Iran to start WW3. The US violates the nuclear nonproliferation treaty by attacking Iran for complying with the treaty.

            Are you wondering what it means to be a US citizen, or if you’re really a citizen of Israel?

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            1. Bipedal Humanoid   8 hours ago

              RM;dr

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              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

                Refuted!

                Also:

                Retarded!

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            2. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   3 hours ago

              Refuted. You’re a fucking Nazi joke.

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          3. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   7 hours ago

            They used tomahawks too in a coordinated attack on 2 other locations.

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      2. GroundTruth   7 hours ago

        So, I'll flip that for you and say that I'm glad he did it, but the action was clearly in contradiction to the WPA text and intent.

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        1. Bruce Hayden   4 hours ago

          Maybe the intent of the WPA, but arguably he did brief the requisite members of Congress before the strikes, as well as notified Congress w/i 48 hours.

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          1. Nelson   2 hours ago

            I believe that clause only matters if there was already authorization given. It isn’t valid without a previous authorization.

            I know that the MAGA faithful are glomming on to that clause, but unless you take it out of context (context being the WPA) it isn’t pertinent. He got no authorization.

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    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   11 hours ago

      And even democrats that can seemingly be honest at times are admitting it.

      dan turrentine
      @danturrentine
      It was too depressing to write this last night, after we got off air, so I went to bed. But, it needs to be said by more Democrats: this was not an impeachable offense, and Trump did not need congressional approval for one precision attack under the circumstances, just as Obama did not when striking Bin Laden. Why can’t our Party just say it’s great we achieved the objective and destroyed Iran’s nuclear sites, god bless the soldiers who carried this out and made it home safely, god bless our country, military, allies, and we look forward to a full intel briefing. If one must then assert Congressional authority at the moment, add that any escalation will require congressional approval. And if you must, express concern for where this may go and what might come next.

      But, for so many in my Party to knee jerk with unhinged calls for impeachment - and sadly omit in their statement support for Iran not having nuclear weapons, which has been a principle of our Party for 40 years -is truly TDS.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 hours ago

        TDS is as TDS does.

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      2. American Socialist   10 hours ago

        Why can’t our Party just say it’s great we achieved the objective and destroyed Iran’s nuclear sites, god bless the soldiers who carried this out and made it home safely, god bless our country, military, allies, and we look forward to a full intel briefing.

        Yeah, why can’t we just celebrate an unprovoked military attack on a country that never threatened or attacked us. Then, why can’t we say how great the know-nothing troops in the American military just killed a bunch of scientists working in a nuclear plant. Bombing a nuclear facility is a war crime, but what about the optics for the midterms?

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        1. BYODB   10 hours ago

          'Unprovoked' is an odd claim for one of the biggest financiers of international terrorism on the planet.

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          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 hours ago

            But as long as AmSoc sees them as allies in the Global Struggle, all is good.

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        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 hours ago

          Do not engage the asshole Am Soc; simply reply with insults.
          Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Am Soc’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Am Soc lies; it's what he does.

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        3. Bipedal Humanoid   9 hours ago

          Yeah, that "death to America" chant was code for Iran wanting to be friends.

          When someone consistently tells you their plans, believe them.

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        4. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   9 hours ago

          Iran has regularly threatened us since 1979. They were also plotting to kill Trump last year. But of course you’re on their side.

          AmSoc, always with the terrorists.

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          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   7 hours ago

            More than threats. Paid various terrorist groups. Bombing barracks. Etc.

            Wonder how reason will spin an Iranian sleeper cell who came in under lax immigration laws if they do something domestically.

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            1. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   3 hours ago

              AmSoc will cheer on any terror attacks carried out by Iran. That is certain.

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        5. Use the Schwartz   8 hours ago

          "unprovoked military attack"

          I'm 99% anti-war, but get the fuck out with this shit.

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          1. Spiritus Mundi   3 hours ago

            I am starting to think this is a sarc sock. "Unprovoked" here is right out of The Sarctonary: A Box of Malapropisms.

            AmericanSocia1st was the buttplug sock. Sarc isn't even original is his sock puppeting.

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            1. sarcasmic   2 hours ago

              The only socks I've seen were run by idiots who I have on mute that are so desperate for my attention that they pay money for new accounts, only to be immediately ignored. You know, the ones who incorporate my name into their handle and structure their lives around stalking me.

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    3. MollyGodiva   10 hours ago

      Insisting Trump obey the Constituion is now a "talking point".

      MAGAs are the most traitorous dumb ass fucks the US has ever seen.

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      1. rswallen   10 hours ago

        No, insisting, in-between rabid foam-speckled screeching, that Trump currently isn't obeying the constitution with this military strike, that is a talking point.

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      2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   10 hours ago

        Like when nigbama drowned us citizens?

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      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 hours ago

        No, finding love for the Constitution only since early 2025 is traitorous--and transparently retarded.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 hours ago

          Thinking the constitution is what they think it is instead of ever reading it is more traitorous.

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      4. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 hours ago

        Molly, when you got your fake PhD did they tell you never to read citations?

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    4. Riva   9 hours ago

      All presidents, democrats and republicans, reject the WPA as unconstitutional.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 hours ago

        Cite? Turley goes through the president's who have used it. And went to court over it.

        Does the left just spout retarded uninformed shit due to habit?

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        1. Riva   7 hours ago

          Presidents may voluntarily submit reports consistent with the WPA but none concede that their commander and chief authority is subject to the act. Some just ignore it. Clinton did.

          And I don't really know what you mean by court review. To the extent it has been the subject of any suit, courts dismiss the case as a non-justiciable political question and no case addressing the constitutionality of the WPA has ever reached the supreme court (where it would be dismissed anyway as non-justiciable).

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          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   6 hours ago

            To the extent it has been the subject of any suit, courts dismiss the case as a non-justiciable political question and no case addressing the constitutionality of the WPA has ever reached the supreme court (where it would be dismissed anyway as non-justiciable).

            So you answered your own question.

            Many laws written by congress do just this, defer to article 2. In cases where congress writes a law that attempts to supersede article 2 powers, this is often the result.

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            1. Riva   4 hours ago

              What? That’s basically gibberish. And I didn’t ask a question. I made a point. And why attack me? I don’t oppose the president’s actions.

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              1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   4 hours ago

                And I don't really know what you mean by court review.

                Oh. So you added this meaningless sentence then answered what the court review was in the past then claimed it was gibberish despite me stating you answered your own confusion.

                Glad to have another retard to be friends with sarc. You two would be happy together.

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    5. TJJ2000   2 hours ago

      "In 1999, Clinton ignored the 60-day deadline and continued to bomb forces in Kosovo."

      But, but, but ... That's (D)ifferent!!!

      The only thing Boehms 1941 Resolution shows is Democrats have been playing the "That's (D)ifferent" game for quite some time now. They could've repealed FDR[D] and subsequent Legislation they wrote years ago.... But oh, no! That's (D)ifferent.

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  2. CindyF   11 hours ago

    Ah, the Trump "exception" to all prior policies and presidential actions strikes again!

    TDS is a terrible disease. Discovering a treatment or cure should be our nation's medical research teams' top priority.

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    1. Michael Ejercito   11 hours ago

      What did Sudan ever do to America?

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    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   11 hours ago

      Eric is a comms major with TDS so he knows better than law scholars and courts.

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      1. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   9 hours ago

        He should probably be involuntarily committed to an insane asylum.

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      2. Quicktown Brix   8 hours ago

        How about Massie or Rand or Ron Paul?

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        1. BYODB   7 hours ago

          How about them?

          I might like all those guys, but they often speak to what should be rather than what is.

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          1. Quicktown Brix   6 hours ago

            It is meant to counter dismissing the opposition as coms majors or liberals. Conservative libertarians are also opponents and are well educated on the subject.

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            1. BYODB   6 hours ago

              If Rand or Massie have stated that this is not the law it would be news to me.

              They aren't fans of how the law is currently structured, but they obviously recognize that this is actually how things stand today.

              Also, for what it's worth, the vast majority of their fellow Senators and Congresspeople disagree with them in particular. I might happen to agree with them, but if you're arguing based on their position it seems notable that the majority of people in their same position do not agree with their minority opinion.

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              1. Quicktown Brix   5 hours ago

                They did state it is not constitutional.

                What's the majority opinion have to do with this? The majority agrees the constitution should be disregarded. I disagree.

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                1. BYODB   4 hours ago

                  The majority opinion only matters because you have based your argument on the authority of a Senator and a Congressman. Since it is, essentially, an appeal to authority argument it is notable that the vast majority of other people with the same authority do not agree with those two in particular.

                  That you or I happen to agree with the minority on that point is, of course, irrelevant.

                  I will, however, note that Letters of Marque were also delegated to the President as far back as the Revolutionary War so it's questionable if that particular article in the Constitution has ever actually been honored. Their abdication of authority goes back to the very first day of it's existence.

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                  1. Quicktown Brix   3 hours ago

                    The majority opinion only matters because you have based your argument on the authority of a Senator and a Congressman

                    I see. I think we are arguingnpast each other.

                    I am not basing my argument on the authority of congressmen (although i did happen to choose congressmen, so I can see why you would think so). I based my argument on the authority of conservative libertarians. Elsewhere I included Scott Horton and Tom Woods. My point is to debunk the narrative that's forming (I'm not claiming you are pushing this though) that thinking this is wrong/illegal is a the left/dem specific stance.

                    Otherwise your points are quite correct.

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    3. Gearpin   10 hours ago

      Exactly. Obama bombed the shit out of the middle east for years and no one batted a eye. People like Boehm truly are mentally ill.

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      1. BYODB   10 hours ago

        In fairness, a whole bunch of us 'batted an eye' but nobody listened to us then. Since we know Democrats and Republicans both don't give a shit about this particular thing, we can only assume they don't want Trump in particular to use the same justifications both of them have used for decades to bomb places.

        While I might be in favor of reform in this arena, I'm not in favor of only certain parties or Presidents being able to bomb whomever they want without repercussions. Saying Trump is uniquely unable to bomb places is bullshit, and if more people had given a damn under Bush, Obama, or Biden we wouldn't be here now. None of the establishment is saying the President can't do this, they are saying Trump can't do this. There is a difference.

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        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 hours ago

          Equality of law and process is a key component of libertarians. Many of the writers and leftists here are against that concept.

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        2. windycityattorney   2 hours ago

          Since 9/11 presidents dropped bombs all over the middle east citing the global war on terror as the justification and the AUMF against al queda and its affiliates as the legal justification.

          Because terrorists don't necessarily follow geographic boundaries - whether they were in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan or somewhere else didn't matter.

          It was a flimsy legal excuse; especially many years after 9/11...but at least they had a legal rationale.

          What is Trump's legal rationale? Not wanting Iran to have a nuke is a rationale but not a legal one and about as believable as WMD in Iraq according to our own intelligence agencies. Wanting to help an ally in Israel is a rationale but not a legal justification.

          There are differences that the commenters here are working hard to ignore to justify what Trump did but the justifications don't address the legal question. The constitution quite deliberately put the War Power in Congress' hands. Trump has now seized it twice - both instances likely illegitimately. First with the alien enemies act bs now with this.

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  3. Gaear Grimsrud   11 hours ago

    Didn't I just read the same article by a different Reason editor? I'm not a fan of this bombing but the WPA won't save you.

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   11 hours ago

      It is all over leftist reddit. The same arguments. Think that is where Reason sources most of their arguments.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 hours ago

        Is that, like, journalism?

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    2. Use the Schwartz   10 hours ago

      Yeah, these are going to be the lede for Reason for at least a month no matter what happens.

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      1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   9 hours ago

        But what about TARIFFS!

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        1. Gaear Grimsrud   9 hours ago

          And Villarreal!!!

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          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 hours ago

            What's amazing about reasons journalist soft spot is it is only a soft spot one way. The fucking ignore journalists getting battered by groups like antifa.

            https://www.foxnews.com/media/seattle-journalists-attacked-agitators-call-out-far-left-media-covering-up-violence-protests

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        2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 hours ago

          Tariffs bombed Iran, not Trump. Prove mr wrong.

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  4. JFree   11 hours ago

    OMG. Unlawful? Well that changes everything.

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  5. Gearpin   10 hours ago

    FFS!
    Now do Clinton
    Now do Bush
    Now do Obama who from 2014 to 2017 dropped 70,000 to 80,000 bombs in the middle east totaling tens of millions of pounds. You and your hypocrisy can fuck right off.
    Iran having a nuke is a good thing?
    Fuck off Boehm.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 hours ago

      But criticizing Trump? Priceless!

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    2. DesigNate   9 hours ago

      In their defense, they bitched about those too. But I don’t remember the hyperbole.

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    3. GroundTruth   7 hours ago

      "He did it first" is getting tired.

      They can ALL be wrong, and were.

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      1. Wizzle Bizzle   4 hours ago

        True, but when you allow something to continue unabated for a couple of generations it becomes precedent. And any prosecution of something you've been allowing for everyone else should be considered selective prosecution, which is illegal in every other circumstance.

        You didn't clutch your pearls and scream "impeachment!", but to those who are: Your issue is with the legislative branch, which hasn't done its job in most readers' lifetimes. They willingly / gleefully abdicated their power to the executive so they couldn't be pinned down on a voting record. You want to impeach somebody, start there. Impeach every member of Congress who has voted "present" or skipped sticky votes.

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    4. Spiritus Mundi   3 hours ago

      When it comes to TDS, it is all about who, not what. - strawcasmic

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  6. Don't look at me! ( #1 on the “mute” list again!)   10 hours ago

    This is so yesterday.

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   10 hours ago

      When does reason go full misek? About 83% there.

      Some of the leftist tweets on this are insane.

      Pro free Palestine protesters, even those who are violent.

      Repeating hamas propaganda.

      Mourns Iranian generals.

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      1. Michael Ejercito   10 hours ago

        Where is Misek anyway?

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        1. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   3 hours ago

          He’s around.

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      2. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   8 hours ago

        Yep. This stuff really exposes the Jew haters.

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        1. Jim Conley   8 hours ago

          Fuck the Jews, bitch!

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          1. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   3 hours ago

            Ok. Bring me Gal Gadot!

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            1. Ersatz   46 minutes ago

              😉

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  7. American Socialist   10 hours ago

    Eh… the article is ok, but the Trumpian whataboutism in the comments is the problem.

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    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 hours ago

      Do you wake up planning to be a retard or does that just pop into your mind later?

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      1. American Socialist   10 hours ago

        You guys are the ones talking about Sudan and something something Obama did back in 2014. I opposed those things too. Talk about retarded.

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        1. Use the Schwartz   8 hours ago

          Find the post here and prove it, you're a sock right?

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    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 hours ago

      Am Soc is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Am Soc.
      Do not engage Am Soc; simply reply with insults; Am Soc deserves nothing other.

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  8. American Socialist   10 hours ago

    Just like 2003, when most Democrats opposed a Republican war of choice.

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    1. BYODB   10 hours ago

      Name the Democrats that didn't vote to go fuck up Iraq.

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      1. SRG2   10 hours ago

        The Democrats made the mistake of trusting the Republicans. Obama voted against, IIRC.

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        1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   9 hours ago

          That’s why he earned the Nobel Peace Prize!

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        2. DesigNate   9 hours ago

          Obama wasn’t in office in 2003, guvnah.

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          1. SRG2   9 hours ago

            My bad -my recollection was faulty. He was at the time a state senator, and spoke out against it.

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            1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 hours ago

              You cant keep track of your lies and narratives shrike.

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            2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   7 hours ago

              Oh, he spoke out against war when he was a state senator!

              What did he do when he was president again shrike?

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          2. BYODB   9 hours ago

            I had no idea the Illinois Senate got a vote on this.

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            1. SRG2   9 hours ago

              See response above

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              1. Don't look at me! ( #1 on the “mute” list again!)   8 hours ago

                Fail.

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                1. SRG2   6 hours ago

                  Unlike cretins like you, when I am wrong I admit it.

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                  1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   6 hours ago

                    No you dont. Majority of your posts would be admitting to being wrong. They aren't.

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              2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 hours ago

                Just admit you're a retarded democrat lol.

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        3. Bipedal Humanoid   9 hours ago

          Was that a rare occasion when Captain Vote "Present" actually cast a definitive vote?

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        4. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 hours ago

          Lol. Shrike always defending democrats no matter how retarded the argument.

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  9. Longtobefree   10 hours ago

    So a nuclear armed Iran, leading directly to an exchange of nukes with Israel, is the better choice?
    Got it.

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    1. American Socialist   10 hours ago

      No, basically a nuclear armed Iran keeps American thugs from invading your country. It’s North Korea vs Iraq.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 hours ago

        EVIL CAPITALISTS!

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      2. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   8 hours ago

        You’re just an outright traitor.

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    2. MollyGodiva   10 hours ago

      There was no evidence Iran was developing a weapon. Can we attack Italy to prevent them from developing a weapon?

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      1. JFree   10 hours ago

        Yes we can. And should. Even if Italy's military wouldn't have the slightest idea what to do with a nuclear weapon

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        1. Gaear Grimsrud   9 hours ago

          Italians only work sixth hours a day four days a week and spend the summer months on the beach. I'm not sure they can be trusted with a bomb.

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      2. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   10 hours ago

        There was no evidence Iran was developing a weapon.

        Except for shitloads of documentation and the fucking Islamic Republic of Iran itself saying it was, there's nO eViDeNcE.

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        1. MollyGodiva   10 hours ago

          What documentation? From who?

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          1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   9 hours ago

            Aside from the sources you will handwave away, the UN, the International Atomic Energy Agency, and Iran itself.

            You're way too ill-informed to be trying to fifty-cent here Tony. I hope that they don't pay you for low effort shit like you're trying to pull here.

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            1. DesigNate   9 hours ago

              She’s not ill informed. She’s lying. And possibly retarded.

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              1. Bipedal Humanoid   8 hours ago

                This^

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              2. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   3 hours ago

                Tony is a dude. I don’t care if he’s gone full tranny or not.

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        2. Quicktown Brix   8 hours ago

          According to Scott Horton, Ron Paul, Tom Woods and confirmed by Tulsi Gabbard Iran was intentionally staying just short of a nuclear weapon for the past decade as a diplomacy/negotiating tactic.

          https://tomwoods.com/ep-2656-scott-horton-on-iran-and-israel/

          They won't make that mistake again. I bet they have a nuke within 2 years now. They'd be fools not to. This and Ukraine are both valuble lessons for non-nuclear nations.

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          1. JFree   6 hours ago

            I would imagine the timeline is shorter than that. I assume that once Trump withdrew from JCPOA, Iran built new underground facilities which remain unlocated and unused. More under the control of the military and IRGC. For that final step. Fordow was used to ramp up as many kg as possible to 60%.

            That HEU has now been moved from Fordow. Presumably to the new facilities.

            So the only real question is have the Iranians solved the warhead shaping issues. Followed by the political question of how the Iranians will now stop IAEA inspections until such time as they can formally withdraw from NPT.

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      3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 hours ago

        You are such a transparent ideological retard. Even the lame anti-US technocrats from the UN documented the Iranian nuclear (and weapons) program. And have you forgotten statements from the ayatollahs and their minions?

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      4. rswallen   10 hours ago

        Surely even you will agree that this circumstantial evidence is of concern.
        https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-report-says-iran-had-secret-activities-with-undeclared-nuclear-material-2025-05-31/

        > A separate IAEA report sent to member states on Saturday said Iran's stock of uranium enriched to up to 60% purity, close to the roughly 90% of weapons grade, had grown by roughly half to 408.6 kg. That is enough, if enriched further, for nine nuclear weapons, according to an IAEA yardstick.
        > Both IAEA reports said enrichment to such a high level was "of serious concern" since it is the only country to do so without producing nuclear weapons.

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        1. MollyGodiva   9 hours ago

          "Serious concern" is not proof. Especially since there is even more overwhelming evidence that they did not have a weapons program.

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          1. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   9 hours ago

            Move those goalposts.

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          2. DenverJ   9 hours ago

            So... what did we just bomb?

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            1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 hours ago

              Aid production centers for Palestinians.

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              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

                With free transgender clinics.

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              2. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   3 hours ago

                Don’t forget about all the daycares for the working mothers.

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          3. rswallen   9 hours ago

            I agree, this isn't concrete evidence (hence why I referred to it as circumstantial). But it is also a long way from being no evidence.
            Now, you claim there is overwhelming evidence of the inverse. Per chance, could you share some of it here, as I have done?

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          4. Gaear Grimsrud   9 hours ago

            Apparently Iran has like a dozen nuclear facilities. Non weapon uses for enriched uranium include medical devices and nuclear power plants neither of which requires anywhere near the enrichment that Iran currently has reportedly achieved. Nuclear power currently amounts to less than 1 percent of Iran's power generation and they have limitless power under their feet.

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            1. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   3 hours ago

              But Tony says there is no proof!

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          5. Bipedal Humanoid   8 hours ago

            Yes, when I build peaceful nuclear applications sites, I put them hundreds of feet below ground and play games with inspectors.

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            1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   56 minutes ago

              “….and play games with inspectors.”

              Ah yes, the “tragic boating accident” ruse. Well played, mullahs. And they’d have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for that meddling orange man.

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          6. GroundTruth   7 hours ago

            Care to explain null data?

            The Iranians even said that there should be no worry about release of highly enriched uranium from this, since they had already moved it out of those sites. Sounds like an admission to me that they had the stuff. And to what other purpose that to build bombs?

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          7. But SkyNet is a Private Company   7 hours ago

            If they didn’t have a weapons program, what did we just bomb 300 ft below a mountain?

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      5. Kungpowderfinger   9 hours ago

        Trump's attack on Iran was not just an assault on a suspected nuclear weapons program

        Someone explain to the ‘tards how foolish they sound claiming Iran is enriching fuel for anything other than weapons.

        If you’re feeling generous, you might want to help them understand that “power plants” can be designed to produce weapons grade fuel even faster, even though we don’t do that in the US (see Chernobyl).

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      6. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   8 hours ago

        There was tons of evidence you’d dumb piece of shit.

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      7. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 hours ago

        There was a lot of evidence. Including minor quakes and enrichment past levels needed for energy.

        Again, your ignorance is not facts.

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    3. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 hours ago

      Was better when big O gave them billions on a pallet despite a court order stating the money eas for victims of terrorism so they could fund more terrorism.

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    4. A Thinking Mind   4 hours ago

      I’ve heard this one before. “There’s WMDs! We can’t let them have those.”

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  10. Vesicant   10 hours ago

    For your 'explanation' of the War Powers Act, you link to the Nixon Library? Now that's some irony.

    Anyway, the text you quote, 50 U.S. Code § 1541, is from the preamble (Purpose and Policy) and isn't the actual requirement.

    50 U.S. Code § 1542 only requires the president to consult with Congress when possible ("in every possible instance"). This clearly indicates that exigent circumstances may exist.

    50 U.S. Code § 1543 (48 hours) doesn't say anything about "lawful use," and in fact says "In the absence of a declaration of war." Why would Congress put that phrase in unless they understood that there could be situations without a formal declaration of war?

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    1. SRG2   10 hours ago

      This clearly indicates that exigent circumstances may exist

      And clearly there were no exigent circumstances here

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 hours ago

        I forgot the WPA clause that says to ask a dem pedophile pretending to be British by the name of shrike.

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    2. MollyGodiva   10 hours ago

      You can't just ignore parts of the law you don't like. And yes, I know MAGAs do that all the time, but they are stupid fucks.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 hours ago

        The retard is getting feisty. Did you occasionally act up on the short bus?

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      2. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   8 hours ago

        You ignore laws and facts you don’t like every day here Tony.

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      3. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   3 hours ago

        Tony, just go back to the bathhouse.

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  11. American Socialist   10 hours ago

    Hey, a few days ago some Trumpisn dipshit was telling me about how Congress could credibly be a brake on Trump’s abuse of power. (“Yeah, right!”) I wonder where that retard is now? LOL.

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    1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   10 hours ago

      Quit sockpuppeting Buttplug, you fucking retard, and what Trump did was legal under the war powers act.

      Whether the WPA is legal is something that the Supreme Court really needs to look at.

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    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 hours ago

      Am Soc is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Am Soc.
      Do not engage Am Soc; simply reply with insults; Am Soc deserves nothing other.

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      1. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   3 hours ago

        He should be euthanized.

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  12. Z Crazy   10 hours ago

    Its safer to be a 14-yea-rold girl walking alone in the ghetto at 1 am, wearing nothing but a miniskirt, tank top and gold jewelry, than to be a nuclear technician working for the iranian government.

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    1. JFree   10 hours ago

      You need to refine that prompt in order to generate a better image.

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    2. Don't look at me! ( #1 on the “mute” list again!)   10 hours ago

      As it should be.

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    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 hours ago

      How about a chemical engineer working on zyklon for the Nazi government in 1938?

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      1. Jim Conley   8 hours ago

        Zyklon-B is bug spray, cracka

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        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

          Eat a bullet.

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    4. Bipedal Humanoid   8 hours ago

      In a better world, yes.

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  13. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   10 hours ago

    I said this yesterday, but because Boehm has copypasted Petti's article, I'll say it again:

    Obama engaged in military action in Libya for six months without obtaining Congressional approval—clearly a violation of the War Powers Act.
    In contrast, Trump’s action more closely resembles Reagan’s 1986 bombing of Libya, which was not considered a violation of the Act.

    Not that it ultimately matters much, since in my non-constitutional scholar opinion, the War Powers Act is unconstitutional anyway. The supreme court really needs to take a look at it.

    TLDR, Trump played by the rules but I think rules are wrong.

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    1. MollyGodiva   10 hours ago

      Better:
      TLDR, Other presidents violated the laws and thus it is OK for Trump to.

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      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 hours ago

        Best:
        I hate Trump so anything he does is illegal.

        Right, Molly?

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        1. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   8 hours ago

          That’s the entire complexity of every argument Tony makes.

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          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 hours ago

            Also half of the US judiciary.

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      2. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   10 hours ago

        That's not what I said, Tony, you dishonest sockpuppeting fuck.

        Trump followed the War Powers Act to the tee. Your Obama/Biden administration didn't in Libya, but Trump did. Trump did not break the law.

        Whether the War Powers Act itself is a constitutional violation is something that the Supreme Court needs to look at soon.

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      3. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   9 hours ago

        Being dishonest doesn’t help your argument.

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    2. Terry Anne Lieber (Don't Feed Tony)   10 hours ago

      Yes. I can accept if someone says that this was not a good idea or that this goes against one's convictions for some reason. I don't agree with them, I think this was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to neuter a dangerous enemy, so as long as this ends here (i.e. destroying all nuclear facilities in Iran) then this was a fantastic move from President Trump. If the regime there got toppled, and the Iranian people can enjoy freedom once again then it's all the better. I wish them good luck, but that's not our responsibility, clearly...

      However, the strike itself was clearly NOT unlawful, nor was it unconstitutional.

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  14. Earth-based Human Skeptic   10 hours ago

    'The Attack on Iran Is Unlawful'

    Also un-AWFL.

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  15. Terry Anne Lieber (Don't Feed Tony)   10 hours ago

    No, it was not unlawful. No, it was not unconstitutional. Ordering a precision strike with such limited scope is well within the powers of the President.

    Now was it a good idea? Yes. Iran is one of our biggest opponents today, they regularly chant Death to America, and they were also gunning for Israel, our ally (one can argue, our one and only useful ally, compared to the European slobs and other ME shitheads). Iran and its proxies had attacked American bases, soldiers and civilians countless times (I can't don't even know the total, but it's 46 years of Iranian aggression against our people, from hostage taking in 79' to killing American citizens on 10/7 back in 2023, so it must be hundreds of victims by now.) They were also bent on creating nuclear weapons, and they were closer to that than ever before. That alone was sufficient reason to act against their nuclear facilities.

    Apart from all that, it was clearly the best time to do just that. Israel defeated all Iranian proxies in the past 20 months including Syria, which ended IRGC interference in the Levant, and gave Israel a corridor to pull of the attack. And Israel was tremendously successful in their attack against Iran's air defenses, ballistic missiles, and nuclear scientists, as these were of utmost importance. But Israel also targeted the IRGC as a whole, all military targets within Iran apart from the Artesh (I imagine the plan is to weaken the IRGC to a point where Artesh, the regular army of Iran can topple the Islamist regime). So after 46 long years we finally had the opportunity to punch one our most ardent enemy where it hurts them the most. There's almost zero chance that they can significantly hurt us back, and they are in no position to escalate. So we had everything to gain, and nothing to lose from this transaction.

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    1. MollyGodiva   10 hours ago

      "Ordering a precision strike with such limited scope is well within the powers of the President."

      There is zero textual basis for that and much against that. Try getting Trump's dick out of your mouth and try again.

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      1. Ajsloss   8 hours ago

        Geez, Tony. What happened to your “government actors mean well, we should trust them” schtick?

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      2. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   8 hours ago

        Tony, we all know you fantasize about Trump’s dick in your mouth. So why don’t you go back to pounding your own ass with a dildo and let the adults talk?

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      3. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   8 hours ago

        Literally the first post in thread dr retard. Including an actual court case.

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    2. JFree   9 hours ago

      Such a long comment that is nothing but copypasta from American media. How much time do you spend watching TV?

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      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 hours ago

        Such a short piece to prove what a pile of shit you are.

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  16. SRG2   10 hours ago

    Reasons it was constitutional:

    1. The Democrats did it first
    2. Dear Leader willed it so.

    Iran presented a genuine threat towards Israel, and as a Zionist I am quite content for Israel to bomb their nuclear facilities. Further, Iran and Israel have been indirectly at war for years, though Iran's proxies.

    But Iran presented no threat to the US. Of course the same cultists who praised Trump for not getting involved in foreign entanglements are happy enough to cheer for him when he does. Fealty over principle, always.

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    1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   9 hours ago

      "Reasons it was constitutional:
      1. The Democrats did it first
      2. Dear Leader willed it so.
      Of course the same cultists who praised Trump for not getting involved in foreign entanglements are happy enough to cheer for him when he does."

      Point out who did that here, Mike.

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      1. BYODB   9 hours ago

        SRG2 is broken, there is a reason they are on mute.

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        1. SRG2   9 hours ago

          Not actually addressing the point, of course. I wish the mute function was reciprocal, it must be said.

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          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   7 hours ago

            Your point was addressed by someone who wasn't a fucking dem retard in the first post.

            On your side you have leftist retards and AOC. On the other side you have reality.

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      2. SRG2   9 hours ago

        Point out who did that here, Mike.

        Most of the cultists, at various times. As you well know.

        The name's Stephen, not Mike, btw.

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        1. Don't look at me! ( #1 on the “mute” list again!)   8 hours ago

          Ok, Mike.

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        2. DesigNate   5 hours ago

          Name them then.

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      3. DesigNate   8 hours ago

        Don’t you get it, we’re all cultist who march in lockstep with Trump.

        It doesn’t matter if nearly everyone has pointed out they disagree with the action, even though it was obviously lawful and constitutional. Just like it doesn’t matter that we disagreed with Obama doing it in Libya but begrudgingly acknowledged that it was lawful and constitutional (at least the first strike).

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    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   9 hours ago

      The TDS-addled shits never change, do they, TDS-addled shit?

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    3. Riva   9 hours ago

      We don’t have “Dear Leaders” here. We have a duly elected president. And the president has authority as commander in chief under Art. II of the Constitution to deploy the military to address national security emergencies. The discreet use of military force against Iran is not a declared war and consistent with past actions by presidents of both parties.

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      1. SRG2   6 hours ago

        He is a duly elected president who his cultist followers regard as Dear Leader.

        And the president has authority as commander in chief under Art. II of the Constitution to deploy the military to address national security emergencies.

        Within limits, nor was there a national security emergency warranting the attack on Iran

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    4. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   7 hours ago

      It is so amusing the leftist retards are even adopting sarcs bullshit thinking it makes them look intelligent. How far you've fallen shrike.

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    5. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   6 hours ago

      Iran absolutely presents a threat to the US. So your premise is false.

      Update your commentary to reflect this correction.

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      1. SRG2   6 hours ago

        Iran absolutely presents a threat to the US. So your premise is false.

        Riiiiiiight. Like Saddam was a threat to the US.

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  17. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   9 hours ago

    Where do Iranians go when the bombs fall?
    Everywhere

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    1. Ajsloss   9 hours ago

      Not me, I ran.

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    2. AT   3 hours ago

      Who cares.

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  18. No One Of Consequence   9 hours ago

    Perhaps Trump thinks an Iranian missile damaging the U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv counts as "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

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    1. Bipedal Humanoid   8 hours ago

      It may not be an emergency, but it is legit grounds to blow some stuff up.

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    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   7 hours ago

      Is that what retards think all Iran has done?

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      1. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   6 hours ago

        In his defense, democrats are stupid, credulous, drones filled with bullshit by MSNBC.

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  19. Gregdn   8 hours ago

    The so called "American led international world order' only means that the U.S. and its friends can do basically whatever the fuck they want to do, while criticizing countries like Russia for doing the same.

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    1. Don't look at me! ( #1 on the “mute” list again!)   8 hours ago

      Better than “soft power”?

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      1. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   6 hours ago

        That’s how a Sarc explains away whiskey dick.

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    2. BYODB   8 hours ago

      It takes a special brand of fool to compare the Ukraine and Russia to the United States and Iran.

      How much terrorism did Ukraine fund against Russia and it's allies, and how many nuclear weapons was Ukraine working on? Hell, Ukraine actually did have Soviet nuclear weapons at one point, what do you think happened to those? I sure bet they regret that deal.

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      1. Gaear Grimsrud   5 hours ago

        Ukraine spent years murdering civilians in Donbas. That's what started the war.

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        1. BYODB   4 hours ago

          Just looked up civilian casualties in Donbas leading up to the official war, and guess what happened to those numbers after Russia invaded.

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    3. Bipedal Humanoid   8 hours ago

      In a better world, yes.

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  20. chemjeff radical individualist   8 hours ago

    Here's a thought.

    Maybe, Reagan acted illegally and unconstitutionally when he bombed Libya in 1986.
    Maybe, Obama acted illegally and unconstitutionally when he bombed Libya in 2011.
    Maybe, Trump acted illegally and unconstitutionally when he bombed Iran in 2025. (And, also, Syria in 2017.)

    Maybe ALL of the above (and more) impermissibly stretched the definition of "national emergency" in the WPA in order to justify stroking their war boners to do whatever it is they wanted to do.

    Maybe the whole point of being anti-war from a libertarian perspective is so that national governments start to respect the rights of all humanity, and not just to protect their own citizens *at the expense of* everyone else.

    Maybe the concepts of "national sovereignty" and "borders" actually mean something, and the same people who insist on strict enforcement of America's borders should not be so quick to justify violations of national sovereignty when it occurs in other contexts.

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    1. sarcasmic   8 hours ago

      Don't be silly. No one in the comments cares about principles or the Constitution. They only care about Democrats bad Trump good, hurr durr.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   7 hours ago

        How is following a congressional law and upheld by the courts unconstitutional?

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        1. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   6 hours ago

          He only knows what MSNBC tells him.

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    2. GOD OF PENGUIN ISLAND   7 hours ago

      And maybe you equated enacting Marxism to deporting illegal aliens a few days ago Lying Jeffy.

      Oh wait, not maybe, you definitely did that.

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  21. Bipedal Humanoid   8 hours ago

    It is cute that a bunch of Sarc Bots and JFreetards on here think Congress would ever do anything constructive with regard to the existential threat that is Iran in it's current form.

    Congress literally ceded this power to the Executive Branch so they wouldn't need to actually make tough calls. Tough calls lose elections, and those clowns couldn't have that.

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    1. JasonT20   8 hours ago

      Congress literally ceded this power to the Executive Branch so they wouldn't need to actually make tough calls. Tough calls lose elections, and those clowns couldn't have that.

      Members of Congress wouldn't be such wimps if there weren't so many voters that prefer to be ruled by a President over having Congress and the President checking each other's powers. Too many voters only want Congress to assert its constitutional authority over the executive when it is the other party in the White House. For those voters, when the President is their guy, they want a Congress that will rubber stamp their guy's agenda and actions.

      [edit] P.S. We get the government we vote for.

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      1. Bipedal Humanoid   8 hours ago

        Correct.

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      2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 hours ago

        One which murders the unarmed to the applause of this pile of shit:
        JasonT20
        February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
        “How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”

        Fuck off and die, asshole.

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    2. JFree   7 hours ago

      Funny how commenters like you can't comprehend how Congress could get involved in issues of war and peace. At the exact moment that Iran has their legislature vote to approve the closure of the Straits of Hormuz, a likely issue of war and peace.

      Your ilk has the wits of nits.

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      1. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   6 hours ago

        Congress wasn’t needed for this, and let’s be honest. You know that your fellow Islamist and Jew hater Ilhan Omar would probably leak the information to the Iranians.

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        1. BYODB   6 hours ago

          If your model of good governance is Ted Kennedy, perhaps you're doing it wrong.

          I am, of course, referring to his letter to the Soviets during the height of the cold war.

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          1. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   6 hours ago

            Thank you for referencing that. A great historical example of why democrats cannot be trusted.

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          2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 hours ago

            More Americans died in Ted Kennedy's car than died in the cold war. But he was the Lion.

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    3. BYODB   6 hours ago

      In a direct conflict with the U.S. military, Iran would blow over like a house of cards so it's hard to really call them an existential threat to the United States in particular.

      To allies of ours in the region, yeah, that's pretty accurate. Especially Israel, since Iran has repeatedly stated they want to wipe them off the face of the Earth. Nuclear weapons are a pretty direct way to wipe something off the face of the Earth.

      If anyone recalls, Israel almost certainly has nuclear weapons but somehow managed not to glass Iran. I'm not so sure Iran would be as kind.

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      1. Gaear Grimsrud   5 hours ago

        Medvedev tweeted today that there are numerous countries that would be willing to supply Iran with nuclear warheads off the shelf. No enrichment required. The paste has been out of the tube for well over half a century. He's suggesting that both Iran and Israel agree to not have nuclear warheads. You can certainly disagree but at least it's a logical argument.

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        1. BYODB   4 hours ago

          You're talking about a tennis player, right? That's some source.

          /joke

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        2. BYODB   4 hours ago

          More seriously, if Russia wants to give nuclear weapons to Iran they would have already done it.

          Russia also said they would deploy nuclear weapons against Ukraine, how did that pan out?

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          1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 hours ago

            Just pointing out that we're way past the Manhattan project. And managing the good guys and the bad guys might be a fools errand. I'm no fan of Iran but mostly because I've reached the conclusion that Islam is the greatest threat to civilization and liberty at this point in history. But the weaponry may be a paper tiger as a wise but evil man once pointed out.

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            1. chemjeff radical individualist   26 minutes ago

              You know what's a bigger threat to your liberty than Islam?

              Tyrants and dictators who usurp power in the name of "protecting you".

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  22. JasonT20   8 hours ago

    But there are unlikely to be any direct political consequences for Trump as long as House Speaker Mike Johnson (R–La.) is willing to look the other way. In a statement released on Saturday night, Johnson said the strikes were "necessary, limited, and targeted."

    This is really the only thing that needs to be said here. The Constitution placing the power to declare war in the hands of Congress alone, and the War Powers Act seeking to define these issues over the President's authority to order the use of military force with more specificity only matter to the extent that members of Congress will act to uphold them. This is obviously an entirely political question that the Supreme Court would not get involved in, nor should it.

    Simply put, the President can order the military to bomb other countries without the approval of Congress if no one, particularly Congress, and most importantly, the voters, will punish him politically when he does.

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    1. Bipedal Humanoid   8 hours ago

      This is the correct view on this matter, not partisan bickering.

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    2. Incunabulum   7 hours ago

      That there will be no 'consequences' is the same as saying that Congress is going to let the President do whatever he wants. Thus none of it is illegal.

      Boehm and company are getting hung up over the procedural aspects of something that doesn't actually have a procedure. The formula is magic to them - similar in this way to Sovereign Citizens.

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      1. chemjeff radical individualist   3 hours ago

        "Congress will let him get away with it" is not the same as "It's not illegal".

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        1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   10 minutes ago

          It isn't illegal, Lying Jeffy. The WPA gives him the legal ability.

          Is the WPA unconstitutional? I think so, but until the Supremes get their asses in gear and rule on it, no president observing it is breaking the law.

          Now when your lightbringer bombed Libya he did ignore the WPA and thus broke the law, but I suppose you think that was (D)ifferent.

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  23. sarcasmic   8 hours ago

    King Trump can do whatever he wants because fuck you that's why.

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   7 hours ago

      Still on the no kings screams huh rachel? Thought you were a Democrat.

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    2. Marylandman, Battling for Truth Justice, and the American Way   6 hours ago

      Better flee to Canada right away, lay low. In fact, it might be best of you gave up posting here. Or else Trump will get you.

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      1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   15 minutes ago

        He won't flee to Canada because of high alcohol taxes and he knows people up here hate him too.

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  24. sarcasmic   8 hours ago

    Seriously though, this is another case of people objecting to the how and being accused of objecting to the what. The "how" is starting a new war because fuck you who's going to do anything about it. The "what" is stopping Iran's nuclear ambitions.

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    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   7 hours ago

      This is another case of you thinking you have an intelligent bumper sticker that everyone else thinks is retarded. Also another case of you projecting.

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  25. Incunabulum   7 hours ago

    >"Even if that is true, it would just underline the importance of getting approval from Congress.

    Seems to me like Speaker Johnson just gave retroactive consent - ie, Trump has congressional approval now.

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    1. SRG2   6 hours ago

      Seems to me like Speaker Johnson just gave retroactive consent -

      Was there a vote? The Speaker, by himself, cannot give consent.

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      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   6 hours ago

        Yes. When the WPA was passed. Congress can actually revoked the WPA with another vote.

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  26. IceTrey   7 hours ago

    The only punishment he faces is impeachment and he won't be convicted because the Senate is evenly split so the point is moot.

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  27. But SkyNet is a Private Company   7 hours ago

    This regime has attacked us repeatedly for 46 years, seizing our embassy and taking hostages, and killing hundreds if not thousands of servicemen thru proxies.
    In recent weeks, they have funded the Houthi attacks on our navy (Obama/biden made sure they funded it )

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  28. XM   6 hours ago

    The comedy here is watching libertarians who now exist for illegal immigration, to the point of cheerleading a judge who obstruct justice to free illegal criminals, suddenly have a conniption fit over Trump "breaking the law".

    Also, the same mendacious clowns who now frame this issue as "So because other presidents did it now you want to excuse Trump". Morally sentient human beings are capable of discerning hypocrisy and selective morality. If cops routinely ignore white people jaywalking but arrest black people and charge them with the harshest possible punishment, you're not making excuses for jaywalking by noting the disparity.

    What is the point of having a president? Why not just have the judicial branch and congress run the country? Iran attacked a us base as recently as last year. They fund proxy wars against us and our allies. We can't surgically strike methods of operation against a hostile enemy of state unless congress approves of it? What if whatever party that holds power in both chambers just automatically opposes anything the other party does? But they approve of wars that they like - i.e. Ukraine?

    Impeaching a president should involve treasonous offense. A president that eliminated a nuclear program of a known terrorist state that helped launch warfare on Israel is NOT impeachable conduct, even if it exceeds WPA. Trump could claim that Iran attacking our bases is a "national emergency" and the courts may reject it, but that is not impeachable conduct.

    You want Trump to be impeached over this, but not for Joe Biden purposely doing nothing on the border, or the criminal conspiracy that left him in power despite being braindead. Obama bombed countries with the full intent to support an uprising. He droned an American citizen without trial. If the impeachment standard is now that any president that exceeds his authority must be removed by political process, we now have mob rule, not a representative government.

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    1. sarcasmic   3 hours ago

      What if whatever party that holds power in both chambers just automatically opposes anything the other party does?

      That's not a "what if". That's how it is. For anyone who isn't a partisan caveman.

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      1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   18 minutes ago

        "That's how it is. For anyone who isn't a partisan caveman"

        Not only are you a partisan caveman, Sarckles — you're their shaman. Your main contribution here is harassing and trolling anyone who says anything remotely positive about Trump. It's astonishing that you think you can handwave your entire posting history just to suit the new narrative you're now trying to push.

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    2. chemjeff radical individualist   3 hours ago

      Morally sentient human beings are capable of discerning hypocrisy and selective morality. If cops routinely ignore white people jaywalking but arrest black people and charge them with the harshest possible punishment, you're not making excuses for jaywalking by noting the disparity.

      Noting the discrepancy, while not engaging in selective morality, would be:
      "Jaywalking is wrong no matter who does it".

      Selective morality, that is disguised as "noting the discrepancy", is:
      "While jaywalking is not great, if they are allowed to jaywalk then so should I."

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    3. chemjeff radical individualist   3 hours ago

      We can't surgically strike methods of operation against a hostile enemy of state unless congress approves of it?

      Now you're starting to get it.

      If Iran is such an immediate and obvious threat, then it should be an easy decision for Congress to declare war, or at least authorize the use of military force.

      But if not, and *in the absence of an actual invasion*, then the president doesn't get to play war games on his own.

      "But but but the Democrats will just oppose everything that Trump does because they hate him!"

      Guess what, that was the exact same type of argument that Obama made to justify things like DACA, and also HIS military adventurism in Libya. What did that get us?

      If you think the president should be entitled to go around Congress because of an "obstructionist faction" then you're actually arguing in favor of dictatorship. If that's what you want then just say so.

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      1. AT   2 hours ago

        Look, I'll be the first to admit that I don't relish the idea of dictatorship or ignoring the separation of powers or creating a cult of personality around the elected leader of the Executive Branch.

        I just want all the Iranians buried under rubble (well, all of Islam really - but I get it, baby steps), and I want every single man woman and child that is illegally in America punted out of here or locked away in some kind of prison for however long it takes to resolve the immigration hearing backlogs.

        Is that really so much to ask? Seriously, is that really too much to ask?

        Because it's not an unreasonable request, and yet it's intentionally frustrated every step of the way. Both of these things are very simply accomplished, and yet it's like a hamster in a wheel running its legs off and getting nowhere. I'm not going to lie Jeff - I kinda don't care how it gets done anymore, I just want it done.

        And so do most other Americans.

        We tried a battery of humane traps to catch the rats. Heck, we even experimented with peacefully co-existing with them. But the rats keep eating our cheese, carving holes in our baseboards, pooping in our shoes, and they gave the dog rabies - so, enough. It's extermination time.

        Don't care how it gets done anymore, just get rid of the rats. Your way didn't work. Heck, it's like you intentionally SABOTAGED it to KEEP it from working. So, now we move to something more decisive. If unilateral aerial bombardment gets it done, then good.

        We're sick of the rats, Jeff.

        (And we're sick of their dirtbag apologists too. Just. Saying.)

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        1. chemjeff radical individualist   27 minutes ago

          Well, let me see. Is it too much to ask to genocide an entire religion? Yeah, yeah I do think that is too much to ask. Ever since about 1945 or so.

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          1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   25 minutes ago

            "Is it too much to ask to genocide an entire religion? Yeah, yeah I do think that is too much to ask."

            You never felt that way about Christianity, Jeffy. What makes Islam better?

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  29. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 hours ago

    Impeach Trump

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    1. Don't look at me! ( #1 on the “mute” list again!)   4 hours ago

      Pffft.

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      1. Wizzle Bizzle   4 hours ago

        That's a better argument than he made.

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  30. AT   3 hours ago

    Sorry, but that simply isn't good enough.

    Nah, everyone's fine with it. It's just you complaining. Again.

    Stop being such a pussy, Eric.

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    1. sarcasmic   3 hours ago

      Not everyone swoons when the government kills people. You're somewhat rare in that regard. Thankfully.

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      1. AT   3 hours ago

        Stop being such a pussy, Eric.

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  31. JohnZ   3 hours ago

    Trump is simply following orders from Satanyahu. What ever he's told to do by the Synagogue of Satan, he will follow those orders....or else.
    Nothing good is going to come of this war and the only ones who will profit by it is the MIC.
    Of course there are those who willingly mimic back what they're told by the MSM, / Zionist news propaganda outlet.
    No one in their right mind should believe ANYTHING or any statements that is reported out of the Synagogue of Satan. (Israel)
    Trump has made a very grave mistake and already we are seeing the results in higher gas prices at the pump.
    Will all those who support Trump's illegal ans immoral bombing of Iran continue to cheer when they are paying $5/gal or more ?
    Dr. Paul Craig Roberts nailed it when he said, "Americans are the most dumbed down, ignorant and misinformed people on the planet."
    Washington needs to boot out the Trotskyite neo-cons and put an end to these disastrous foreign policy blunders.
    Ron Paul is right.

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    1. AT   3 hours ago

      I assume you've spent the last 12 hours since our last conversation getting your visa to Iran squared away?

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      1. Mother's Lament - (Sarc's a Nazi, not even joking)   27 minutes ago

        Pretty sure it's Misek, unless they've been reading the same pamphlets

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  32. TJJ2000   2 hours ago

    What's really funny is the only Non - (D)ifferent solution comes from Republican Thomas Massie.

    While the left just carries on with their Trump (D)ifferent party-partisan lackey Syndrome.

    Course the Leftards will be along shortly to Self-Project their own party-partisan prejudices at everyone else ... because that's what leftards do. They are the party of [WE] Identify-as RULES/STEALS. 100% Gangster Mentality. From Gender Identify-as, to Skin-Color Identify-as, to Wealth-Status Identify-as, etc, etc, etc ... [WE] Gangster RULES mentality through and through.

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