Review: Was Charles Manson Carrying Out a CIA Experiment?
Errol Morris' new Netflix documentary explores alternative theories of the Manson cult's infamous 1969 murders.

One of America's more famous documentarians, Errol Morris, was intrigued by Tom O'Neill's Chaos, a 2019 book delving into the mysteries around the murders committed in 1969 by people associated with the hippie cult leader Charles Manson.
In a new Netflix feature documentary exploring O'Neill's theories and findings, Morris shows his work, and we hear him telling O'Neill on camera he isn't quite buying the story O'Neill is selling.
Partly because of his connections to the Haight Ashbury Free Medical Clinic, which was haunted by CIA-associated mind control researcher Louis Jolyon West, and partly because of the mysterious leniency in how the legal system treated Manson before he was eventually arrested for the murders, O'Neill thinks it likely Manson was either a confidential informant and thus under the law's protection to some extent, or carrying out a CIA-planned experiment using something like West's techniques to turn his "Family" into mind-controlled murderers.
O'Neill certainly provides fodder for both theses, the first seeming more likely if only because it's less baroquely sinister. But alternate explanations require a differently cynical view about government than O'Neill's evil one: that perhaps California law enforcement was lazy and incompetent, or that West's claims about his experimental brainwashing powers were exaggerated to keep the CIA money flowing.
The facts that Manson did eventually face justice and life in prison and never hinted at any of this, and that the world does not seem crawling with people with this brainwash-to-murder power, indicates that some skepticism about O'Neill's thesis is warranted. But he presents it with dogged research powers—and a fair assessment of what he has and has not proven.
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I seriously can't with this website anymore.
What is wrong with you people? You're literally this guy.
They wish they had his respectability.
Well thank you Netflix for bringing up something Joe Rogan has been talking about for years.
just the other day with that mind control doctor chick
Does Hanlon's Razor apply to the CIA?
It wasn't the CIA, it wasn't Helter Skelter. The murders were the result of what motivates 95% or more of all murders, drugs and money. Watch the Rob Zombie documentary on Manson. It explains what happened in very compelling detail.
When you look at all of the facts, it is hardly clear that Manson was the worst or even the driver behind the murders. The worst were Charles Watson and Susan Atkins. Both of them were absolute sadistic psychopaths. Manson was a bum more than anything else. He was never violent. He was never charismatic. The Rob Zombie documentary talks to people served in prison with Manson in the 60s and knew him well. All of them say he was just incredibly hardheaded, self-destructive, and lazy. He wasn't violent and he wasn't a killer.
I would also point out that Vincent Bugliosi was a complete nutcase who ended up stalking some poor woman and getting run out of the legal profession. Helter Skelter was nothing but a hail Mary act of desperation on the part of the prosecution. The truth was Manson didn't actually kill anyone. Worse, the prosecution only had one witness, Susan Atkins, who was along with Watson, the worst of the lot and a complete nutcase who recanted her story. The prosecution was totally screwed when Atkins recanted, and they were not in great shape to convict Manson even with her. Then they came up with the Helter Skelter story, without any evidence. They literally thought it up out of thin air.
The most important moment in the Rob Zombie documentary is when Linda Kasabian's attorney talks about getting her a deal. He says something to the effect "we knew Atkins was crazy. So we started sending her jail notes saying that everyone was turning on her. That got her to recant". Once Atkins recanted, the attorney can't admit that he told Kasabian to lie. He just says "I told her if you say this, you will walk out of the courtroom with no conviction or jail time". That is exactly what happened.
Manson sent them to the house formerly occupied by the music producer who never gave him a deal. His culpability is there
No. They picked that house out because they knew it and they wanted to blame the murder on the Black Panthers who Tex Watson had ripped off on a drug deal. Watson was the driver behind the whole thing. Indeed, when the government tried Watson, it never mention the whole Helter Skelter thing.
Did not know this Rob Zombie documentary existed. I'm old enough to remember the whole thing and read Bugliosi's book which was declared the final word at the time but it never really passed my smell test. Not sure it's worth going down this rabbit hole again but if I do I'm blaming you.
Rob Zombie didn't or couldn't delve deep enough into this case. he only scratched the surface.
The CIA at that time was involved in horrific experiments in mind control that involved children. Zombie would not have known about this as he was not involved with people who had the knowledge.
Veterans Today website investigated this case several years ago and revealed that Manson was a victim of CIA mind control experiments gone bad.
This isn't news to me. I read about Manson and the CIA several years ago at the Veterans Today website.
We should all be concerned.