Can the President Refuse To Spend Money Authorized by Congress?
Impoundment, line-item vetoes, and the tricky problem of cutting spending through the executive branch

Imagine, for a moment, a president who doesn't want to spend money. Given the last several decades of presidential history, this may sound fanciful. But assume that a president has successfully campaigned on spending less money, and perhaps even balancing the federal budget, and then, once in office, has decided to try to carry out that program. What would such a president do?
If a president wants the federal government to spend less money, then somewhere, somehow, at some time, someone with appropriate authority needs to actually stop spending money.
This is even more difficult than it sounds.
It's not just that in Washington, plans to spend more, but less than otherwise expected, are frequently denounced as debilitating cuts. Nor is it simply that bureaucrats stamp their feet and leak stories of supposedly draconian spending reductions to friendly media outlets. Nor is it even that the voting public, in its mass incoherence, seems to prefer a mix of high spending and low taxes—a luxury government lifestyle that it literally cannot afford.
There is an underrated impediment to spending less: the Constitution itself, at least if you're the president. The Constitution grants Congress the sole power of the purse. The executive branch is tasked with faithfully executing the laws Congress passes. If Congress passes a law saying jump, it's the president's job to jump. And if Congress passes a law that says spend, it's the president's job to spend.
This has turned out to be a problem for President Donald Trump, who set up a Department of Government Efficiency, or DOGE, that operates through the auspices of the U.S. Digital Service. Trump has described DOGE as run by the billionaire businessman Elon Musk, although it's never been quite clear whether he's formally in charge. It has pursued a variety of cuts and delays to executive-branch spending—suspending various grants and dismissing, according to some estimates, thousands of workers and contractors. Part of Musk's strategy has been to dig into the bowels of the federal payment systems themselves, the complex, often outdated computer systems that pay out vast sums every day. At times, Musk has seemed to be pursuing a goal of spending less by directly stopping the government systems that pay out money. If nothing else, it's a novel strategy.
One legal question is whether Musk, whose official status remains murky, has the authority to make these cuts. He appears to have the backing of the president, who in theory has authority over the workings of the executive branch—in theory, because another, bigger legal question is whether even the president has the authority not to spend money if it has been authorized and appropriated by Congress.
The practice of withholding or otherwise declining to spend duly authorized funds is known as impoundment, and it has a long and complex history. Courts have repeatedly said the president does not have authority to do this. In 1974, after years of fighting with President Richard Nixon over the practice, Congress passed the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act with veto-proof majorities, and Nixon signed it into law. This law not only created the modern budget process; it strictly prohibited unilateral executive impoundment. And that would seem to be that.
But Trump isn't a president who always abides by historic norms or legal strictures.
In his first term, he violated the Impoundment Control Act on one notable occasion, according to one government watchdog. In his second term, he has once again tapped a man named Russ Vought to run the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). Vought is a self-described radical with roots in the Tea Party movement who views budget cutting as a key part of the culture war. He has also told Congress, on the record, that both he and Trump view the Impoundment Control Act as an unconstitutional limitation on executive power.
Vought's theories are well outside the mainstream, and even many ardent supporters of limited government disagree with him on that question, viewing Vought as far too willing to bend, or outright ignore, the rule of law. But even more than Musk, he is likely to be at the center of legal and practical battles about cutting the size and scope of the federal government. Because what Vought fundamentally believes is that the only way to cut government spending and bring the bureaucracy to heel is to radically empower the executive branch, giving the president power that the Constitution reserves for Congress alone.
Vought's ideas represent a deep and difficult challenge for those who want to cut spending and check executive authority, the classical liberals and libertarians who believe in limited government, a constitutionally constrained executive, and the rule of law. Because if Vought is right, you can't have all three.
Nixon's Nixes
The roots of the dispute over impoundment go back to 1972, when Congress passed the Federal Water Pollution Control Act amendments, a series of updates and expenditures that became better known as the Clean Water Act. Nixon believed the $24 billion law was too expensive: His biggest headache at that point was soaring inflation, and tens of billions in new federal spending seemed likely to make that problem worse.
Nixon vetoed the bill. Congress then mustered the two-thirds majority vote to override the veto. Nixon then simply refused to spend a large chunk of the funds—about $9 billion targeted at building out new sewage treatment infrastructure. This was arguably Nixon's most flagrant act of fiscal defiance against Congress, and it set up a legal showdown over impoundment.
Depending on who you ask and how you define it, impoundment is an old practice. In the early 1800s, President Thomas Jefferson decided not to spend $50,000 that had been appropriated on a fleet of new warships to fight on the Mississippi River, where naval conflict had broken out. In that particular case, not spending money was easy: Jefferson simply notified Congress that he wasn't going to spend the money due to a "favorable and peaceable turn of affairs" which "rendered an immediate execution of that law unnecessary." Neither Congress nor the courts objected.
When Nixon tried to withhold spending on sewage treatment, the outcome was rather different.
A group of cities, including New York, sued Nixon's Environmental Protection Agency, at the time headed by Russell Train, resulting in a yearslong legal battle over impoundment. Finally, the case, Train v. City of New York, reached the Supreme Court, which in 1975 ruled that Nixon's refusal to spend funds had been illegal. Nixon's constitutional duty as president was to take care to execute the laws faithfully. He didn't have the authority to not spend money as directed by laws passed by Congress.
Congress, meanwhile, had already taken matters into its own hands. The prior year, Congress had passed the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act.
This law was designed not just to streamline the federal budget process but to assert the legislative branch's constitutional prerogatives by explicitly prohibiting impoundment. The Clean Water Act impoundment was Nixon's most significant attempt to refuse spending, but far from his only effort.
"The culture then was, the president has too much power," longtime Texas Republican and former Ways and Means Chairman Bill Archer explained a decade ago when asked about how the prevailing mood of the era informed the creation of the Impoundment Control Act. "We don't like the president. The president is abusing his power….The idea was, we're going to take power away from the president, and we're going to constitute it within the Congress." Distracted by the Watergate scandal and under pressure to make concessions to Congress, Nixon signed the act a month before he resigned.
After that, the matter was more or less settled until the 1990s, when the prospect of impoundment once again returned.
In 1996 Congress passed, and President Bill Clinton signed, the Line Item Veto Act. The law allowed the president, after signing an appropriations or tax bill, to "cancel" specific spending items or limited tax benefits within five days, subject to a fast-track congressional disapproval vote. This was viewed as a narrower alternative to impoundment. Rather than simply not spending funds, the president would formally cancel the provision. Clinton actively used the line-item veto 82 times in 1997, targeting expenditures he deemed unnecessary.
Many of these cancellations went unchallenged, but not all. That led to another court case, Clinton v. City of New York.
The city of New York was miffed that it had been denied funds by a president who had declined to spend congressionally appropriated money. Specifically, Clinton had canceled a provision that would have provided the state's hospitals with an estimated $2.6 billion. (Notably, the Medicaid tax funding was a provision of the Balanced Budget Act of 1997; this came at a time when there was bipartisan desire to reduce spending in order to keep deficits in check.)
In a 1998 decision, the Court held 6–3 that the line-item veto violated the Constitution's Presentment Clause. By empowering the president to unilaterally change a law after it had been duly enacted, the justices reasoned, the law had upset the balance of powers. Once a bill becomes law, the president's only options are to enforce it or seek its repeal. He cannot unmake the law on his own, even with prior congressional permission.
The Court's objection to the line-item veto stemmed from essentially the same as the philosophy behind the Impoundment Control Act and the Train decision: The president can veto a law in its entirety rather than sign it, but he cannot simply carve away at a law's provisions once it's in force.
Making It Ukraine
The Congressional Budget Control and Impoundment Act did not entirely work as intended. One justification for the law had been to rein in unaccountable spending, yet budget deficits ballooned in the 1980s. The annual budget process it laid out was followed only intermittently at first, and by the late '90s it had been all but abandoned. The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office produced competent, generally respected work, but it was often dragged into bitter partisan disputes.
But in one respect it did work. No president after Nixon was able to unilaterally impound funds. That is, until Donald Trump.
In summer 2019, at Trump's direction, the OMB withheld approximately $214 million that Congress had appropriated for Ukraine Security Assistance—money tagged for weapons and training funds to assist in its defense against a Russian invasion. The hold was executed through special footnotes on federal spending schedules instructing that the Ukraine aid money could not be spent.
This act evolved into a sprawling scandal involving Trump and Ukrainian leader Volodymyr Zelenskyy, in which a whistleblower alleged that the "President of the United States is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election"—by, the complaint said, "pressuring a foreign country to investigate one of the President's main domestic political rivals." At heart, the charge was that Trump was withholding federal aid in an effort to obtain a quid pro quo from a foreign government.
Most of the attention around the scandal focused on the more salacious charge that Trump was essentially trying to bribe or extort a foreign leader by manipulating the federal purse strings. Under pressure, Trump released the funds. But his initial refusal to spend money duly authorized and appropriated by Congress raised a core constitutional question as well: Was this an act of impoundment?
In 2020, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) concluded that "the Office of Management and Budget violated the law" by withholding the Ukraine funds. "Faithful execution of the law does not permit the President to substitute his own policy priorities for those that Congress has enacted into law," the auditors wrote. "OMB withheld funds for a policy reason, which is not permitted under the Impoundment Control Act." Citing the Clinton-era ruling on the line-item veto, the GAO warned that to withhold funds selectively was effectively to "amend" the law by executive fiat, which is prohibited under the Constitution.
From Nixon to Clinton to Trump, the legal consensus remained clear. But there were some who disagreed, and one of them was Russell T. Vought.
Vought Your Conscience
Russ Vought began his tenure in the first Trump administration as deputy director of OMB under the directorship of Mick Mulvaney. Like Mulvaney, Vought was a creature of the Tea Party movement that sprung up under President Barack Obama. The Tea Party movement was billed as a backlash against excessive government spending, a position complicated by the way that many Tea Party activists seemed to want to protect spending on the old-age entitlements that are the biggest contributors to long-term debt. But at least according to many of its leaders, its overarching goal was to cut the federal government down to size.
In the time before Trump, the Tea Party's influence could be seen at organizations like the Republican Study Committee (RSC), a coalition of conservative lawmakers in the House, and The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank that in 2010 founded Heritage Action to pursue more direct advocacy and lobbying work. Vought worked for both, as vice president of Heritage Action and as budget director for the RSC. He was both a Tea Party true believer and a budget wonk. Later, during the gap between the two Trump administrations, he set up an organization that tried to combine Tea Party–era government-cutting zeal and think tank fiscal wonkery with the new wave of Trumpified conservatism.
Founded in 2021, Vought's Center for Renewing America focused on the inner workings of the federal government—specifically, the staffing of executive branch agencies, and the sprawling system of barely accountable spending that makes up their budgets. The group's worldview combined the Trump movement's cultural panic with the Tea Partiers' government-slashing zeal.
In a 2022 essay for The American Mind, Vought argued that America is in a "post-constitutional moment," a "new regime" that is "more like an unwritten constitution which operates based on precedents." This "new Constitution," he wrote, was the product of a "slow-moving revolution" that in effect transformed America into a new country. The essay namechecked a slew of agencies and offices disfavored by the MAGA right—the FBI, the Department of Justice, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention—and warned of an empowered expert class using their unelected positions to exert control over American life. "No constitutional amendments have been passed to enact this, but new legal paradigms have been introduced—a 'living constitution,' independent agencies, permanent, 'expert' civil servants—that have changed the underlying separation of powers at the core of our system."
Vought's solution: The American right should adopt "radical Constitutionalism" and "throw off the precedents and legal paradigms that have wrongly developed over the last two hundred years." The presidency, he warned, has become divorced from an executive branch it doesn't really control, and this benefits leftist malefactors. "The Left in the U.S. doesn't want an energetic president with the power to bend the executive branch to the will of the American people," he wrote.
The core idea was that conservatives must embrace a view of the Constitution that radically empowers the executive. So it's no surprise that Vought considers the Impoundment Control Act unconstitutional.
He said this explicitly during his 2025 confirmation hearing to run the OMB. When asked about impoundment, and whether the withholding of Ukraine funds during Trump's first term might be a "harbinger of what is to come these next four years,"Vought responded succinctly.
"The president ran on the notion that the Impoundment Control Act is unconstitutional," he said in response to a question from Sen. Patty Murray (D–Wash.). "I agree with that."
Prior to his confirmation hearing, Murray noted, Vought had responded to written questions about impoundment by saying he'd follow the guidance of the OMB's incoming counsel, Mark Paoletta.
Like Vought, Paoletta is a veteran of the White House budget office from Trump's first term. He also served as a fellow at the Center for Renewing America, where he wrote a number of articles arguing that the impoundment power was perfectly consistent with the Constitution and that the Impoundment Control Act was overreach.
Paoletta's argument rests partly on the Constitution's "executive vesting" clause, which vests the presidency with all executive power, which in his reading would include impoundment. He also offers a twist on the "take care" clause. Typically, the Constitution's insistence that the president is to "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" is understood to mean that the president must follow laws passed by Congress to the letter. But Paoletta sees it as a way to give the president some flexibility: He must have some discretion to spend carefully—which might mean declining to spend the full amount of an appropriation.
An even shorter version of Paoletta's view came in a 2024 post on X: "Impound, Baby, Impound!" Impoundment, he wrote, was "a great tool to cut wasteful spending."
Easy Peasy?
In the view of Vought and Paoletta, then—which is to say, in the view of the Trump administration's budgetary authorities—if a president wanted to not spend money, it would not be difficult at all. It would be easy. The president, or his agents, could simply not spend it.
That would probably trigger a court challenge, but that might be part of the point. In January, The Washington Post reported that a slide deck had been circulating among White House budget officials making the case for impoundment. The deck, according to the Post's description, "suggests Trump officials may seek to trigger a court case that could declare that law unconstitutional, ultimately enabling Trump to reduce or eliminate entire funding categories on his own."
The White House distanced itself from the presentation, denying that it was produced by any presidential appointee. But it's not hard to square it with Vought's clearly stated outlook. He told Congress that he would follow the law and his counsel's interpretation of that law, and both he and his counsel believe the Impoundment Control Act is unconstitutional. He has also advocated a radical constitutionalism that would empower the executive branch to hold its own against Congress, and he has hinted strongly that this might mean defying the "precedents and legal paradigms" of the current American order.
What would happen then? One possibility is that the courts would rule against impoundment, in keeping with decades of precedent and the mainstream of legal thought. Trump might comply with a court order. But he also might not. After all, if, per Vought, the executive branch must assert its power and prerogatives against encroachments from other branches, that might include the courts as well as Congress. If that happened, it would present a constitutional standoff, and arguably a constitutional crisis—and a violation of the rule of law.
Another possibility, less likely but not impossible, is that the courts might grant the president some sort of impoundment power, perhaps with limits. This would not result in an immediate constitutional crisis. But it would give yet more power to the executive branch and weaken the separation of powers.
For those who favor smaller government, this might not sound like a terrible outcome. After all, what could go wrong with giving the president the power to not spend money? It's a fair question. A more muscular executive impoundment power might make it possible for a president to cut wasteful or misguided spending, or trim the federal work force, reducing the power and cost of the bureaucracy. It's hard to imagine a way that it could result in a government that grows larger, at least in terms of dollars spent and debts owed.
But any coherent understanding of the American constitutional order, which reserves for Congress the power to both write laws and spend money, would have to recognize significant limits on such a power.
Jefferson's decision to not spend money on warships that were no longer necessary can plausibly be understood as a decision to be careful with taxpayer funds. But the objection to Nixon's impoundments was that he was declining to spend for policy reasons—that he was effectively ignoring the will of Congress, which had already overridden his veto, and substituting his own policy goals. What the courts found in both the Nixon dispute and the Clinton-era argument over the line-item veto was that to allow the president leeway to impound funds at his discretion was to allow the president not only to usurp the congressional power of the purse but to essentially write law.
So while granting the president impoundment power might not make the government larger, it would almost certainly make the presidency more powerful and more central to all sorts of questions related to both foreign policy and the economy.
Consider the extortion or bribery alleged in the Trump/Ukraine affair: The accusation was that Trump was withholding funds for personal, political gain. Giving the executive impoundment power would make the president a personal dispenser of hundreds of billions in federal funds, meaning those funds would be subject to his personal whims.
One need only look at how Trump has used or threatened to use his tariff authority to see the potential for abuse. In his first months in office, he hasn't just unilaterally imposed tariffs; he has raised the possibility of handing out exemptions and delays to pliant business leaders who cozy up to the office and ask for special treatment, leading to a politicized economy in which a single individual picks winners and losers.
The same would be true of a president who had the power to unilaterally withhold federal funds. Far from restoring the Constitution's balance of power, this would tilt the American government even more toward a president-centric system where the White House occupant is more like a king than an administrator tasked with executing the law.
But there is another option, one that maintains the constitutional order and allows for presidentially driven cuts and reductions to federal spending. Indeed, it's a mechanism contained within the Impoundment Control Act itself. It's called rescission, and it allows the president to submit a formal notice proposing spending reductions to Congress for approval. Congress then has 45 days to approve the rescission, during which time the spending is frozen.
Rescission attempts to solve the problem of what a president is supposed to do if he wants to not spend money. He is supposed to ask Congress, which under the Constitution holds the power of the purse. Rescission turns that into a formal, legal, fast-track process.
Trump knows this—or at least his budget officials do. During Trump's first term, Trump requested the largest rescission package ever granted under the Impoundment Control Act. In May 2018, the Trump White House sent Congress a $15.4 billion dollar rescission package. The true size of the savings was considerably smaller—no more than about $3 billion, according to Trump's own budget office, since much of the rescission concerned funds that had lingered unspent. Ultimately, the Senate did not approve the proposal.
But the administration went through the legally required process, ensuring that Congress had final say over matters of spending. The second Trump administration could do so again—and might. In April, the New York Post reported that the White House was teeing up a rescission package that included $1 billion in cuts to public broadcasting and an $8.3 billion cut for the U.S. Agency for International Development. Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) pushed Trump and DOGE to think bigger. "I'd love to see a $500 billion rescission package," Paul told Reason's Eric Boehm in February.
For those who view the ever-expanding size of government as a problem, this may be an unsatisfying answer. It requires legislative action, and Congress is far less swift than an energetic executive. But the constitutional order wasn't designed to be swift or satisfying. On the contrary, it was designed to frustrate the desire for swift, seemingly satisfying policy change. The separation of powers was intended to force cooperation and compromise between the branches, even when it's exhausting.
The Constitution was also designed to frustrate unilateral authority and check executive power specifically. The Founders were all too aware of the problems that arise when policy depends on the whims of kings. Limited government relies as much on preserving the rule of law and the core constitutional order as it does on cutting programs and firing bureaucrats. Shortcutting the rule of law in order to achieve a temporary policy victory is never worth it.
What should a president who wants to not spend money do? He should follow the Constitution, and that means involving Congress and deferring to its budgetary authority. So yes, it's difficult for a president to decline to spend money. But under the Constitution, it should be.
This article originally appeared in print under the headline "What if the President Doesn't Want to Spend Money?."
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BIDEN REFUSED. That settles that.
Biden refused spending? Cite?
I've got to see that one to believe it.
Ever heard of the Border Wall?
So he refused to "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion"
I guess I should've been able to guess that one.
If it is in the US Constitution De-Fund it; If it's not Fund it to death.
Thanks for the cite.
He can if he does it on the down low and makes it look like typical federal government inefficiency.
That’s close enough for government work.
Yeah. There’s a difference between not awarding a contract and refusing to execute one.
Lots of COVID and “infrastructure” money was never spent.
You can delay implementation forever. Canceling contracts is something else.
There's a difference between executing a contract and spending every cent appropriated.
'There is an underrated impediment to spending less: the Constitution itself, at least if you're the president. The Constitution grants Congress the sole power of the purse. The executive branch is tasked with faithfully executing the laws Congress passes. If Congress passes a law saying jump, it's the president's job to jump. And if Congress passes a law that says spend, it's the president's job to spend.'
Uh, sure. That was before both parties and the executive leviathan (and their allies in media, and minions in the blob) formally transferred power to the President. And before they conditioned Americans to think of the President as the Boss--not that most simple-minded citizens took much conditioning. People naturally tend to want a single leader they can identify, and then love or hate.
If Congress passes a law saying jump, it's the president's job to jump. And if Congress passes a law that says spend, it's the president's job to spend.'
This is just wrong. The executive is beholden to the constitution first and foremost. Congress also can not impede on article II powers. This has come up many times. For example Congress can not force the president to appoint/nominate who Congress wants, they can only provide consent.
If congress passes a law that is unconstitutional the president does not have to act. This goes back all the way to Marbury v Madison. When the courts tried to do the same.
Superman needs to retake 5th grade civics.
Maybe the President should exercise this discretion prior to signing the law?
What an infantile argument.
So if he does and congress vetos, President has to act on an unconstitutional law? Lol.
Have you ever read article 2? Heard what the presidential oath is?
When the courts did this under Madison vs marbury...
Marshall instead seized upon the moment to do what Marbury vs. Madison is famous for—he declared that the law vesting his court with the power to issue writs of mandamus was invalid because the Constitution did not give Congress the power to grant themselves or any other branch powers not granted in the Constitution. He avoided issuing an order he knew Jefferson would disregard, and he elevated the court to the status of “last word” on what violates the Constitution, at least in the eyes of history.
This “President vs. the Courts” drama is in high gear today, but C. J. Marshall would probably say Trump is right—no federal court has the power to issue orders to the president or his ministers. Here is how Marshall ruled on the issue:
By the Constitution of the United States, the president is invested with certain important political powers, in the exercise of which he is to use his own discretion and is accountable only to his country in his political character and to his own conscience. To aid him in the performance of these duties, he is authorized to appoint certain officers who act by his authority and in conformity with his orders.
https://mustreadalaska.com/ralph-cushman-john-marshall-would-say-trump-is-right/
Which of this spending was passed over a veto?
“ If congress passes a law that is unconstitutional the president does not have to act.”
Neither the President, nor the Executive branch, can declare a law unconstitutional. That requires the Supreme Court.
You want the “unconstitutional law” to be something the President can unilaterally declare. It doesn’t work that way.
Additionally, the President has the ability to prevent a bill from becoming law by vetoing it. He can’t sign a law and then turn around and ignore it.
First quarter spending down 5.1 percent and borrowing below projections. I suspect there will be more rescissions coming as the DOGE cuts create surplus cash in executive agencies. How Congress responds is the problem.
They really are the weak link.
Under Obama. OPM changed language in appropriation bills from May spend to Shall spend. Prior to this change the president could spend less without student as long as the task the money was appropriated for was complete. It was the discretion of the executive. The shall spend started a fight that the president had to spend every dollar. This was one of viveks most talked about points on the campaign trail.
Now in my view the impoundment act is unconstitutional when mixed with the shall language.
If congress appropriates 1T to spend on a task costing 1B, how is it a constitutional requirement to spend all 1T? The president is bound by the take care clause and that is it.
This idea that every dollar appropriated must be spent is wrong.
"Now in my view the impoundment act is unconstitutional when mixed with the shall language."
As in 'shall not be infringed'?
I don't that word means what you think it means.
Congress chooses when shall is required and when it is performative.
In contracting with the government the difference between will/may and shall are two different requirements.
Unfortunately they now consider shall for appropriation to mean spend every penny.
So somehow Obama reached back in time and caused the Supreme Coyrt in the 70s to declare impoundment unconstitutional? That’s some serious power.
By declaring impoundment unconstitutional, “shall” became the only option for the President. You may not like it and you may think your twisted logic manages to avoid the Supreme Court, but it doesn’t. Impoundment was declared unconstitutional. The only way to reverse that is another Supreme Court case.
It further proves democrats are evil and malignant.
CBS putting the communist back in CBS.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-tariffs-punishing-china-chinese-exporter-says/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=810517597
We must reward slave labor.
I wonder how much influence the CCP has on CBS?
Garcias wife in court.
But after that, it was like I would call the police. I have a lot of police reports.
And I kept trying to get to the door basement to try to open the door, and then he pushed me. So then when I was able to go outside to get a phone. I called 911 from a disconnected phone. Now, they took a long time to get to the house, it was probably, like, 20-30 minutes.
So I saw a neighbor walking his dog, and I opened the door, and I was like, help! And then when he heard me, like, he grabbed me from my hair, and then he slapped me. And then the neighbor, he didn’t know what to do. He didn’t know what to react.
I have pictures of the evidence. Like, all the bruises, because even on Wednesday, he hit me, like, around, like, three in the morning. He would just wake up and hit me.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/05/audio-kilmar-abrego-garcias-wife-describes-abuse-asks-for-protection/
You guys sure picked a winner to rally behind.
It's not about the wife beater. It's about rule of law, due process, illegal imprisonment and government abuse of power. For you it's about who, for me it's about principles.
Bring him back and deport him legally or give him a trial, convict him then put him in prison.
If it were about rule of law, he would never have been allowed to break into the country. And he certainly wouldn't have been allowed to stay after he did so.
It's kind of the whole problem. After Abbot, et al started shipping the illegals to corners of the country that thought illegal immigration was just a talk radio boogeyman, the other 50% of the country woke up and realized how much illegal immigration fucking sucks.
I realize a borderless America is the wet dream of the modern LP, but the issue is dead. Even Democrats are now against illegal immigration three to one. You'll have to find another way to import a permanent brown underclass.
Wet dream of modern regime LP. That's not true of the MC or other parts of the LP. Just the left leaning liberaltarians.
So this justifies disposing of our protections enshrined in the constitution?
OUR? Not a US citizen dumbass. You are free to go down to El Salvador and work to get him free. Maybe bring lawyers, guns and money. I, my children, and my taxes have no obligation for this. Tell us all how it works out. Or stop blathering about this thug.
Pretty much this, yes. Since they were not invited and did not ask to enter, we have no more obligation to grant them full rights here than we do on their soil. Unless you support sending troops to every corner of the globe to enforce American constitutional values, they aren't due jack shit. We are not a global village and I am not a "citizen of the world". If you are, head over to North Korea or Qatar and tell them all of the rights they owe you.
And how do we determine who is and who is not a citizen? Keep in mind we're discussing a man mistakenly deported. Should we trust yourt venerable government department to make the correct call every time, all the time?
It’s easy. Citizens are white.
"And how do we determine who is and who is not a citizen?"
Final deportation orders indicate he certainly was not.
Same way Obama and Clinton's ICE goons did. Biden probably sent a few back also, so, yes, the same way they determined who was a citizen. What actually is your argument here? You claim not to care about the thug but you care now because Trump is involved? Again, if the Government makes a mistake (like I agree they will) you get your lawyers guns and money and go rescue them because you think there is something here to be worried about. Rational, reasoned men are not worried about wrongly being deported. Appears to only be virtue signaling dumbasses.
I feel sorry for you that you can't understand this.
Here's your ridiculous argument turned back on you: If you want these people deported, vounteer your time and money to round them up and transport them to an El Salvador prison, then pay for their imprisonment.
You're projecting your authoritarian pro-government beliefs accusing me of being a democrat. I'm the one opposed to the power of the state here.
You diverted. Same way Obama and Clinton identified who was and wasn't a citizen dumbass. Don't ignore that logic, Mr. Sea Lion.
That is your main point you have been whining about that a non-citizen will be deported. Sure mistakes will be made.
Liberals like you will be rescuing them, right?
I am also arguing for obeying the law. I am not arguing to change the law, only enforcing it. You want more steps in the due process. I don't.
Why is the focus on if he was a citizen or not? The question should be if he was a legal resident or not. I don't know and don't really care. I have little sympathy for people that come to this country with nothing to contribute. There's already plenty of citizens who do this.
You democrats want a bunch of indigent illegals on the do,e so you can condition them to vote democrat. You do this because your traditional constituencies are slowly abandoning you because you’ve shit in them so long they’re finally wising up. This was reflected strongly in the recent election. Where you democrats lost on a landslide.
Aside from that, you don’t really give a shit about these people.
Don't ignore that logic, Mr. Sea Lion.
Wait. Did you fall for Jesse's lie about me? Figures.
if the Government makes a mistake (like I agree they will)
You want a government that makes hasty judgements with no ability to correct mistakes. Textbook authoritarian
When the person doesn’t deny their status, that’s a pretty good indicator…
Yes OUR. If there's no due process there's no guarantee that a citizen won't be mistakenly deported an imprisoned.
You are free to go down to El Salvador and work to get him free. Maybe bring lawyers, guns and money. I, my children, and my taxes have no obligation for this. Tell us all how it works out. Or stop blathering about this thug.
This is childish bullshit not worthy of adult debate. I don't care about the thug. Read that again: I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE THUG. so why don't you slow down with your blathering and take a second...to try...to understand the words I'm posting.
Well then what are you doing is nothing but virtue signaling. I am not worried about citizens being deported. YOU can pay the defense for whatever innocent is deported. I should not have to. Asshole Biden and Majorkas (your heroes) brought many in. Time to reverse this crap. Where were you and the other D's when they were being flown in? And yes, this thug is who YOU are worried about, so Yes I can ask YOU to make an example and YOU fight to fix it.
Hey, nice try assigning characteristics and beliefs to me. You got them 100% wrong and proved to me your presumptuous fool.
You're arguing with a dishonest fool. To these assholes everyone who isn't in lockstep with Trump is a lefty democrat bidenlover. Best just to mute them and not look back.
So much projection.
No fag, YOU are a dishonest fool. As are all democrat filth.
And here qb continued to show his fat leftist views.
He refuses to admit Garcia has not one but 2 court appearances. Both ordered final deportation (upheld in latter) and both found he was in a gang.
Then he talks about rule of law while advocating ignoring the requirements of the INA and ignoring domestic abuse would revike a green card or visa.
You don't care about due process nor the rule of law dumbass. If you did you would understand the requirements for both in regards to immigration. And despite being told over and over and over you ignore the actual requirements for due process and rule of law.
We get it Mike. You're an open borders liberal.
He refuses to admit Garcia has not one but 2 court appearances. Both ordered final deportation (upheld in latter) and both found he was in a gang.
No. I acknowledge this is true.
Then he talks about rule of law while advocating ignoring the requirements of the INA and ignoring domestic abuse would revike a green card or visa.
Nope. I also acknowledge this is true.
You don't care about due process nor the rule of law dumbass.
Projection of your own views.
If you did you would understand the requirements for both in regards to immigration.
And I do.
And despite being told over and over and over you ignore the actual requirements for due process and rule of law.
Again, projection of your own views. Why is he in prison? When was he sentenced? Because the US sent him to Venezuela with full knowledge he'd be imprisoned there. Trump realizes the mistake and refuses to correct it despite a supreme court ruling.
We get it Mike. You're an open borders liberal.
Not a single correct statement in your entire comment.
"Why is he in prison? When was he sentenced? Because the US sent him to Venezuela with full knowledge he'd be imprisoned there. Trump realizes the mistake and refuses to correct it despite a supreme court ruling."
He was found by the immigration court to be a member of a criminal gang and has had an outstanding deportation order since 2019. He is a citizen of El Salvador and was sent to El Salvador, not Venezuela. The Salvadoran courts can order his release at any time after which he can do whatever he wants except come back here. While he appears to have a well documented history of criminality there is no need for wasting resources on criminal prosecutions because he is deportable right now. The DOJ recently asked a federal court to drop criminal charges against another deportable alien because the trial would delay the deportation. It's not even clear that any mistake was made because the immigration judge seems to have ordered that he not be sent to Guatemala where his family had relocated and claimed to be victimized by a rival gang that no longer exists. He's not being held at a mega prison, by his own admission he's in a nice place with a private room. If the ACLU sends a helicopter and breaks him out he will not get a trial in federal court. He has had the required due process in the immigration court that is an administration agency. The federal courts do not have jurisdiction. He will be immediately deported if not to his homeland I don't care. But he won't be living here. There is no there there. This entire story is total bullshit.
The bottom line is that democrats are engaging in judicial activism and process abuse to throw a wrench in the works. While additionally using their propagandist allies in the media to demonize the administration to turn public opinion against Trump and congressional republicans so they can trick voters into giving them control of congress next year.
It isn’t working. This isn’t even an 80/20 issue. According to recent polling it’s a 92/8 issue.
“Why is he in prison!”
Because El Salvador put him there?
No. Because Trump paid for him to be there.
There is no judicial remedy that can get him back to the U.S. at this time.
It really is no different in principle than someone mistakenly deported to Israel on October 5, 2023, and subsequerntly taken hostage by Hamas on October 7th.
In what way does his imprisonment violate the laws of El Salvador?
Clever...
Get your head out of the sand. The US sent him to prison. He was sent there by mistake. This could be any one of us with no way to rectify the mistake. This is totalitarian stuff.
Go rescue him
Get on it man. Or your just a dumbass virtue signaller and we got your number. If you don't do this, we are all gonna lose our rights. Save us QB. Be a hero.
Go rescue him
Get on it man. Or your just a dumbass virtue signaller and we got your number. If you don't do this, we are all gonna lose our rights. Save us QB. Be a hero.
Actually the real reason he is in prison is because he did not self deport when ordered. Real simple.
The real reason is he is an el salvadorian citizen who is an ms13 gang member who el salvador has been locking up.
Yes, probably that too.
You're just not capable of understanding, I guess.
Oh, we understand you QB. We do.
We total understand. We understand your bullshit argument, and we understood your underlying agenda.
Maybe you understand the best a binary brain can. Libertarianism was born out of those capable of more complex thinking.
No, it could not be “any of us”. That doesn’t even make sense.
This reveals your trust of the government. I lack that.
the US sent him to El Salvador, and the government there imprisoned him.
Salvadoran Vice President Ulloa said: "we have a deal with the U.S. government. They send people. We host them. They pay. And that’s it."
Senator Van Hollen said : "When I asked Vice President Ulloa whether El Salvador had any evidence that Mr. Abrego Garcia had committed a crime, his response was, ‘how can I have it?’ He said the Government of El Salvador does not ‘qualify those persons who are there, we just take them,’” the Senator wrote, quoting Salvadoran Vice President Ulloa. “He made it clear that they did not review the file of Mr. Abrego Garcia...My conversation with Vice President Ulloa clearly demonstrates that the Government of El Salvador has no independent legal basis for imprisoning Mr. Abrego Garcia; that, as they readily concede, the only reason for keeping him in prison is that they entered into an agreement with your Administration to be paid by the United States,"
https://www.vanhollen.senate.gov/news/press-releases/in-letter-to-trump-van-hollen-presents-details-of-conversation-with-salvadoran-vp-ulloa-that-reveal-the-trump-administrations-ongoing-defiance-of-court-orders-to-facilitate-the-return-of-illegally-deported-kilmar-abrego-garcia-despite-a-clear-ability-to-comply
YOU. DONT. NEED. A. TRIAL. TO. DEPORT. SOMEONE.
HE. AlLREADY. HAD. HIS. DUE. PROCESS. HEARINGS.
YOU IMBECILE
We've told the imbeciles that many times lately. It's not going to get through to them.
As with every other topic they will freely lie to push their desires.
Because no amount of ‘due process’ will ever satisfy them. They want to stop all deportations.
Why is he in prison?
Ask El Salvador. He broke their laws (in addition to ours) .
Gang bangers tend to do that
And he did not self deport. We are all expected here to take responsibility for our decisions. Yes, some unfair things may have happened to him. Not sure. But he gets to learn the hard way.
You may learn some hard lessons yourself when you trade constitutional protections for results.
Like ignoring border laws for 4 years. Did you learn something?
I learned more than you did from your support of Bush's extrajudicial imprisonment and torture of accused terrorists and your support for the PATRIOT act.
And were you protesting Clinton, Bush, and Obama when they were deporting?
They deported, not imprisoned. Oh your poor family. Do they need to spoonfeed you meals the way I need to spoonfeed you simple facts?
You democrats already did that when you rigged the 2020 election for Biden. Trump is just cleaning up your mess.
Who are you arguing with?
What laws?
You think Biden and Majorkas honestly enforced the border during Bidens term? One of Biden's first act was to overturn the Stay in Mexico executive order which greatly improved the enforcement of the border laws.
Midnight flight into red states?
Spending FEMA money on immigrants?
Those laws.
Come on QB, Respond.
The CBP app wasn’t legal.
No. I do not think Biden and Majorkus enforced the border honestly. They intentionally let millions of illegals in. I hated Biden more than Trump.
He was deported legally. Get over it. He’s gone. Soon, many of your precious illegals will also be gone.
You're also just not capable of understanding, I guess.
Deportations do not require trials. The valid due process to deport an illegal does not include trials much less a jury.
He got his due process.
NO, it is about being a wife beater. All my friends, neighbors , co-workers would ship his ass out of here so fast he'd have wind burn.
Are you such a PollyAnna as to not know that if she didn't make a show of asking for his return there would be a hit on her!!
The feds know he's a bastard, the wife and cops know. Only you don't know.. where is due process for the wife and kids
Libertarian Adam Smith said
“Mercy to the guilty is cruelty to the innocent.”
― Adam Smith
Now they are just rubbing it in our faces. Kamala interview wins best editing nomination.
https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/05/60-minutes-kamala-harris-interview-receives-outstanding-editing-emmy-nomination/
No one cares about award shows.
Or Kamala.
Now they are just rubbing it in our faces
MAGA did it first so it's OK.
-AntiSarc
That made me chortle.
Rather than simply not spending funds, the president would formally cancel the provision. Clinton actively used the line-item veto 82 times in 1997, targeting expenditures he deemed unnecessary.
Ran a surplus for two consecutive years by doing things like that.
The last surplus for the federal government was in 2001.
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/national-deficit/#us-deficit-by-year
Trump-Tards: CLINTON DID'NT HAVE NO SURPLUS!
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Hey buddy. You loved all the false jobs reports under Biden. Why did you give up reporting them?
2001 the debt increased dumdum.
Your false deficit metric has been debunked for 24 years. Spent less than they thought but debt still increased.
Also what happened at that time. Some type of bubble collapsed no? What does that do to tax revenues?
+177,000 is good.
Fatass Donnie inherited a strong economy.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Lol. Holy shit. That's what you are going with after saying the economy was collapsing the last month? Fucking hilarious.
What percentage was private jobs shrike? How many gov jobs were lost? Opposite od the Biden economy. Lol.
See immediately below; remember turd was telling everyone to SELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sell Mortimer! Sell!!!!!
He really combines smug, stupid, dishonest, and pedophilia in a special way.
"Fatass Donnie inherited a strong economy."
Given that you are a dishonest piece of TDS-addled shit, that is amazing even for you.
Get reamed with a barb-wire-wrapped broomstick, shit-pil.
I really look forward to turning you over to the authorities once I buy this rag.
Your lack of joy at the economy shows that hate rules you.
2001 the debt increased dumdum.
You're too stupid to understand double-entry accounting.
Write the Treasury and tell them they are wrong then. I just gave you the link.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Your false deficit metric has been debunked for 24 years.
This is Trumpian idiocy on your part.
The primary source (US Treasury) is wrong and you know the truth.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
1) The national debt increased every year under Clinton. Surpluses would make it reduce, mathematically.
2) WHO gave Clinton the line item veto that a leftie SCOTUS pulled back?
AND passed the budgets AND didn’t fight him on those line item vetoes.
Well, like the 8 years we had to fix thing 15 years back, the end of the world has been postponed:
"Markets erase April losses as jobs report fuels stock gains"
[...]
"The stock market rallied Friday after a stronger-than-expected jobs report eased concerns that President Donald Trump’s sweeping tariffs could tank the U.S. economy, with the S&P 500 and Dow Jones Industrial Average extending their winning streaks to nine days.
The S&P 500 closed at 5,686.67 — up about 1.5 percent for the day — and has now recovered all the ground it had lost since April 2, when Trump announced plans for sweeping tariffs. The Dow jumped more than 500 points to close 1.4 percent higher. The tech-heavy Nasdaq composite index gained 1.5 percent.
Friday’s strong jobs report boosted Wall Street’s confidence in the U.S. economy and eased recession fears, which have surged as Trump has adjusted his tariff policies. U.S. employers added 177,000 jobs in April and the unemployment rate held steady at 4.2 percent..."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/markets-erase-april-losses-as-jobs-report-fuels-stock-gains/ar-AA1E4GWk?ocid=BingNewsSerp
Hope all you TDS-addled ass-wipes sold at the bottom. Have to wait for the Q-2 report, but my guess is we made money.
These numbers are also probably low based on the household report.
The household survey showed a much larger gain, with 436,000 more Americans reporting employment in April. The broader measure of unemployment — which includes discouraged and underemployed workers — ticked down to 7.8%, while labour force participation edged up to 62.6%.
https://www.finnewsnetwork.com.au/archives/finance_news_network1522187.html
This report is how we knew shrike and Biden were full of shit. Under Biden this metric always was well behind the corporate reporting numbers. Which we saw when Biden had to revise down 900k jobs.
It's not like the media was running a smoke-screen for droolin' Joe. You can imagine how hard it is for WaPo to report good news about Trump.
I was going to buy my granddaughter 30 dolls but now I can only afford 28. Damn You Trump! What Demon From The Depths of Hell Created You !!!????
Even worse you won't have an excuse to throw those 30 dolls away when they break in 5 months. Enjoy clutter. Hahahahah.
"Imagine, for a moment, a president who doesn't want to spend money."
Stop right there, I can only get so erect.
It is a bad thing now. See response to DOGE and defense of judges even ordering dispersement.
This is an easy question to answer: There is nothing in the Constitution nor federal law that even implies the President can decline to spend money. And there is explicit law, SCOTUS ruling, and text that says otherwise.
Oh. So recission doesn't exist.
How dumb are you molly?
On top of that congressional law requires the executive to track fraud waste and abuse. Not blindly spend.
"...How dumb are you molly?..."
Why are you asking?
The depths of her stupidity are yet to be plumbed, but shrike is always trying to maintain his crown.
Molly is Tony, so yeah, pretty fucking stupid.
There's also nothing in the Constitution that even implies the president can decline all sorts of things, but that's not how the Constitution works. It's not about double negatives of blocking declinations of action but about spelling what can be enacted.
So what you're saying doesn't matter. Because that's not how the Constitution works.
I'll throw out prosecutorial discretion as an example of this. There's nothing implying that the president can choose not to prosecute someone, but that doesn't mean he has to prosecute every single minor violation of law.
I remember Superman and your OUTRAGE when Biden failed to complete the wall
At least I'm not the only one autocorrect got today.
Is Suderman even his real name? Does he do this so autocorrect makes him feel good?
Executive MUST be a party to fraud?
don't care.
cut spending
Are you a professional bitcher ? ???? yes, there is IMPOUNDMENT
Since the Founding, it has been understood that Article II vests the President with authority to decline to spend the full amount of an appropriated fund.
When he exercises such powers, his authority is “conclusive and preclusive,” meaning that “he may act even when the measures he takes are ‘incompatible with the expressed or implied will of Congress.’” “Congress cannot act on, and courts cannot examine, the President’s actions on subjects within his “conclusive and preclusive” constitutional authority.”
Suderman frequently goes on about this, but he's simply, fundamentally incorrect.
I'm amazed at how long this article is, but it's all built on a misunderstanding of the Constitutional process. "Power of the purse" is a cute idiom, but it's not technically meaningful. Congress does have the power to appropriate, but spending is firmly within the executive branch. The Treasury a is an executive branch entity, after all, and that's really the end of this entire claim.
Suderman and others who take this position overlook separation of powers. The power to appropriate is separate from the power to spend, and those two powers are separated between the two different branches involved.
People making this error conflate the two, but they are emphatically two different things.
So no, the president does not have to spend, and it would be unconstitutional for Congress to claim that executive branch authority. The president cannot spend without Congress, just as the president cannot imprison somebody without judicial branch permission. But, once he's authorized to spend, he does not have to follow through on that permission.
Suderman is just wrong because he makes this error of conflating the two. Both in theory and in practice we need to call out the people that are making this error because they are very important reasons that this separation of powers exists.
Suderman is a TDS-addled steaming pile of lying shit.
Then what’s the point of spending bills if the president can take that money and do whatever he wants with it?
What’s the point of the president signing bills Congress passes?
SImply that by pocket veto he may NOT SIGN. Signing is renouncing the pocket veto.
https://spectator.org/trump-administration-sights-parallel-government/
Good article. Trump is actually carrying out the "abolish" agenda Reason claims it wants in the only way possible. The Koch/Cato/Reason libertarians are aghast that Trump won't be stymied by congressional Democrats and district court judges. The libertarian moment is breathing down their neck and they find themselves irrelevant and terrified.
Glad you took the time to check it out.
Of course FAKE "libertarians are aghast[!] that Trump won't be stymied by congressional Democrats and district court judges."
Reason only wants to abolish things 1 month every 4 years when the democrat loses. So they can complain when the republican doesn't accomplish the demand. To elect the next Democrat.
Lol @ Elon is the Bart Simpson of billionaires.
Ay! Carumba!
This guy has an interesting take on the history of the AEA.
https://x.com/myth_pilot/status/1918008275616043173
The judge is flat out wrong. The Alien Enemies Act was specifically written in response to fears that the French in 1793 would instigate attacks from Indian tribes (“predatory incursions”), which is exactly the kind of irregular warfare characterized by use of non uniformed forces and continuum of force below open battle. The Trump admin, by designating foreign gangs under this law, is acting entirely within historical precedent. This is just astonishingly ignorant or bad faith ruling on the part of the judge. I’m not even a legal professional and I know this.
Here’s a list of resources for how the Founders viewed the Indian threat during the 1793 French / English war, which was the context in which AEA was passed:
1. Alexander Hamilton
•Warned that French revolutionary ideology and agents could inspire Native revolts or anti-government uprisings.
•Feared French manipulation of domestic unrest and frontier conflict, particularly in Kentucky and western Pennsylvania.
2. Thomas Jefferson
•As Secretary of State in 1793, Jefferson sympathized with the French Revolution but was cautious about its impact.
•Even he acknowledged that foreign alliances with Native tribes could destabilize U.S. borders.
3. The Genêt Affair (1793)
•Edmond-Charles Genêt, the French ambassador, tried to recruit American citizens and stir Native alliances to fight against Spain and Britain—raising alarm in Washington’s cabinet.
•This confirmed fears that France might use Native allies to drag the U.S. into European wars.
4. Jay’s Treaty (1794)
•One motivation for this treaty with Britain was to prevent British-backed Native resistance and secure the western frontier.
•The Founders saw European conflicts as catalysts for Native-American wars if not diplomatically managed.
Historical ignorance is a primary traits of Democrats and first impression libertarians like we have here.
A commenter on the thread posted this from the Declaration Of Independence.
"He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions."
Seems like state sponsored predatory incursions were a concern in those days. No uniform required.
"Can the President Refuse To Spend Money Authorized by Congress?"
If it's going to fund a parallel government, he certainly has my blessing.
The President and all of Congress swears an oath of office.
If the spending is UN-Constitutional they, as US patriots, should do everything they can to stop it by their very sworn oath of taking the job.
The Supreme Court should be the end-sum arbiters and when the Supreme Court turns into Nazi-Regime traitors the only "save the USA" left is the people's 2A.
Yes. I'd say that oath should actually carry the weight it was intended to. If ever there was a "constitutional crisis" I would say it is the flat out contempt much of our government seems to have for the very oath they faithlessly recite as they set about to dismantle it the very same day.
I think everyone required to take that oath should do so on camera (hi-def, so as to highlight their tics and body language), and a permanent, searchable database should be available online so that anytime one of these scumbags decides to shit on the people of this nation, it will be available for all to review. After all, they work for us, don't they?
I'm with you but this imagery should be for adults only. Children should not be exposed to Jerry Nadler and JB Pritzker in 4k.
I have to admit you are right. Maybe for Nadler and his ilk they should use a low-res camera, but hook up some electrodes to detect the telltale physiological anomalies associated with willful deceit. An analog meter at the bottom of the screen would be helpful...
Better have some high voltage electrodes. His heart might need a jolt if he tries to stand up. On second thought...maybe not.
Hmm... Yes! ...And maybe more analog meters... And sound effects: Every time a meter pegs, a sound... A cowbell! ...More meters...
...More cowbell!
Voltage! Meters! Electrodes! It's... like... scientific. I daresay we have a winner here.
who views budget cutting as a key part of the culture war.
Government grants and programs absolutely are a potent offensive weapon for prog culture warriors.
OUR? Not a US citizen dumbass. You are free to go down to El Salvador and work to get him free. Maybe bring lawyers, guns and money. I, my children, and my taxes have no obligation for this. Tell us all how it works out. Or stop blathering about this thug.
It's not just that in Washington, plans to spend more, but less than otherwise expected, are frequently denounced as debilitating cuts.
I spent more on X last year than I did the year before. But I got less of X because the prices had increased by more than the additional amount that I spent. Was that a cut? It was not a cut to my spending, obviously. But it was a cut to how much I got of X.
The important thing is to actually determine: 1) that the stated goal is important enough to justify that spending (factoring in finite fiscal resources, naturally), 2) the amount of spending being discussed is needed to accomplish its stated goal, and 3) that the program is being managed in an efficient way if both 1) and 2) are true.
When one or both sides on that particular program or spending issue are being misleading in describing whether the spending is increasing or being cut, that is a distraction from what is important.
I don't spend anything on X (formerly known as Twitter) but it seems like I always get more X (formerly known as Twitter) than I really wanted.
Posting about shooting unarmed trespassers? This asshole is in favor of shooting unarmed protestors. Do not forget.
TY; everyone needs to know JasonT20 is a slimy pile of lefty shit who supports murder by cop. And who needs to fuck off and die.
^ This pile of lefty shit supports murder of the innocent:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Weren’t the people who are currently saying the president has total discretion on how money is spent the same people who howled at the moon when Biden refused to build The Wall? Yes, they are.
If these people had any principles at all they’d apply them to both presidents. But they don’t. Their rules are all based upon who, not what.
And before the usual suspects start with their usual insults and lies, I’ve never said anything either way about funding The Wall.
Democrats did it first, so it ok!
I mean the uno reverse of that is also true…
If Congress passes a law saying jump, it's the president's job to jump. And if Congress passes a law that says spend, it's the president's job to spend.
We have something called "separation of powers". Whether congress has the authority to tell the president to jump is not a matter which has been litigated.
I haven't read much of this yet, but wouldn't it hinge on the wording of the act of Congress? And how seriously should be teak the words of your headline? Ordinarily when you authorize an action, you give permission to do it, not a mandate.
If Congress really wants money spent, shouldn't it be like writing a check? Like, "There is hereby X paid to the account of Y for purpose Z out of the US Treasury." Or even "to the order of" if it's negotiable.
If I tell the auto mechanic I authorize the buying and installation of a new part, and the mechanic on further examination determines the new part isn't needed, my authorization isn't violated by his not doing so! So OK, what is the exact wording of legislative appropriations?
"...So OK, what is the exact wording of legislative appropriations?..."
Pretty sure, according to the TDS-addled shit-piles posting here it reads: "ORANGEMANBAD!!!!!!!!!!!"
And yet ... regarding Clinton's line item veto ...
And yet ... courts have given themselves a line item veto with the notion of severability, the theory that they can strike down parts of a law and leave the rest in place.
That’s (D)ifferent.
Let's turn it around , what about when a legislative body issues an unfunded mandate, as in we order you to build unisex bathrooms. But you have to pay for it.
The Unfunded Mandates Reform Act of 1995 (UMRA) was adopted in an effort "...to curb the practice of imposing unfunded Federal mandates on States and local governments."
THIS SHOULD BOTHER YOU EVEN MORE. but I doubt it does
Are you saying the unfunded mandates should bother us more or that congress passing a law to curb that practice should bother us more?
"Can the President Refuse To Spend Money Authorized by Congress?"
Good question.
However, Trump's cabinet secretaries can.
For example, if Congress designates $500 million to the Department of Education, the secretary of this bureaucracy can decide when, whom and where it's spent or not spent...like those underfunded, desperate-for-cash, almost bankrupt Ivy League colleges and universities.
Trump should just direct his dept and agency heads to funnel all the money to right wing causes and watch how fast the MSM changes it's tune about how he must spend the money or else.
Turn the entire NIH into grants for adoption agencies and stuff like that.
It’s wild to think that a president could just refuse to spend money that Congress already approved, especially when it affects programs people rely on. It opens the door to major gridlock and sets a dangerous precedent for future administrations. I was reading this article and wondered how far executive discretion can go. In the meantime, I found this interesting site for anyone who likes 1xbet mobile gaming and betting. Definitely worth checking out during slow news days. But seriously, this situation could turn into a constitutional showdown if it drags on.
The Tea Party movement started long before 0bama was elected. Even Wikipedia acknowledges this.
The Tea Party started in 1991 during Ross Perot's run for President.
Vought is a self-described radical with roots in the Tea Party movement who views budget cutting as a key part of the culture war.
Is it not?
There are simple, straightforward ways not to have to fund things. If Congress passes a statute that pays for something, it still has to be signed into law by the president. Otherwise, it's vetoed--either by direct VETO or by "pocket veto." Congress can then try to override the veto--takes 2/3 of each house. Good luck with that. Then there's nothing to argue about since the statute fails.
Second way not to spend money is to challenge the expenditure in court. Plenty of continuations. Court date happens after the fruit has withered from the vine.
Both perfectly legal.
Or, Congress could try for an amendment requiring action within a specified time limit--say 14 days or so. But it takes even more agreement to amend.
DJT could play this smart. Whether he has good enough advice to do that is another matter.