Judge Says Trump Must Provide 'Notice of a Right To Seek Judicial Review' to Alien Enemies Act Deportees
A federal judge in Colorado rules against the Trump administration.

On April 7, the U.S. Supreme Court unanimously held that if the Trump administration seeks to deport someone under President Donald Trump's invocation of the Alien Enemies Act (AEA), then that deportee must first be afforded due process, including "notice and an opportunity to challenge their removal." Furthermore, according to the Court's order, "the notice must be afforded within a reasonable time and in such a manner as will allow them to actually seek habeas relief in the proper venue before such removal occurs."
What the Supreme Court's order did not do, however, was to spell out exactly what counted as either a "reasonable time" or a proper "manner" when affording such notice. Presumably, the Supreme Court left that for the lower courts to hash out, fully expecting that whatever the lower courts decided would be back before the High Court for additional review soon enough.
Earlier this week, Judge Charlotte Sweeney of the U.S. District Court for the District of Colorado kicked that process into high gear. In a case known as D.B.U. v. Trump, Sweeney held that the Trump administration "shall provide a twenty-one (21) day notice to individuals detained pursuant to the [Alien Enemies] Act and [presidential] Proclamation." Sweeney's order further required that such notice "must state the government intends to remove individuals pursuant to the act," and must "also provide notice of a right to seek judicial review, and inform individuals they may consult an attorney regarding their detainment and the government's intent to remove them." And, the judge ordered, "such notice must be written in a language the individual understands."
The Supreme Court's April 7 order is perhaps best understood as a broad declaration of basic principles of due process and judicial review, specifically issued by the Court in response to the administration's flagrant disregard for such principles. In effect, the Supreme Court put the Trump administration on notice.
Sweeney's order put some meat on the bones. It told the government exactly what it must do, and when it must do it by, in order to satisfy due process in an AEA case. If the government fails to faithfully follow the clear terms of D.B.U. v. Trump, the government's bad faith will be plain for all to see.
Sweeney's order also provides a sort of yardstick for other judges to measure their own actions in similar AEA cases. If 21 days' notice is good enough for the District of Colorado, a federal judge in a different district might ask herself, is it good enough here?
The Supreme Court will be watching too. Remember, the Court's April 7 order not only left the details of due process unspecified; the order also said nothing about the underlying statutory conflict. In other words, the Court said nothing about whether Trump's use of the Alien Enemies Act was lawful or not in the first place. In fact, there is excellent reason to think that Trump has acted unlawfully.
But even if that's not what a majority of the Supreme Court ultimately thinks, the justices will still have to confront the question sooner or later in an appropriate case. Perhaps this will be the case that brings about that necessary confrontation.
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Saw in the news that India is ordering Pakistani nationals out of the country because they're on the brink of war over a massacre in Kashmir. That's what this act is for. Expelling foreign nationals at a time of war. SCOTUS should be slapping down the use of this law at all, not just demanding he afford due process to the people he's deporting. Not that he cares what they say anyway. President Cartman does what he wants.
Yet it was used outside of war tune by Truman and upheld by SCOTUS as you've been told multiple times.
And by your own fucking post Pakistan and India are not at war yet. Did you even think through your statement?
Think through? Drunky just passes on lefty talking points.
Not to mention he's talking about a totally different country. Maybe he thinks India is part of the United States? LOL.
Maybe he thinks India is short for Indiana. I didn't know they had a Pakistani national problem in Indiana. Learn something new every day LOL.
I didn't know they had a Pakistani national problem in Indiana.
Pakistani nationals? IDK. Chinese nationals, yes.
Wait, where's the due process? Clearly Reason will be writing dozens of articles a week on why this wrong, right?
The Don put his own Jesus Caucus infiltraitors to work neutralizing the Libertarian Party into another pawn on the GOP-DEM chessboard. Orango-Trump might set a good example by showing us how to oust his fifth-columnists, now that they've served his intended purpose. The Dems also helped Trump win by leaving Ross to rot in prison instead of preempting his commutation to time served.
Foreign nationals are not expelled during wartime; they are interned.
"Harvard grad" Charlie hall everyone!
So. Reason is fine with inferior court judges making law out of thin air?
We had four years of unnamed geriatric caregivers generating policy out of thin air thanks to Reason "The Deep State is just a conspiracy theory" Magazine. Actually being able to name the judge and cite their authority is a step up even if they are in the wrong.
Due process is already the law. The judge is just providing a clear interpretation about how to comply with the law. Non of what the judge ordered should be controversial.
Um no. The AEA gives the executive full authority to deport aliens without judicial review. The courts are outside their lane. If the Supremes ultimately find the statute or parts thereof unconstitutional they are free to rule on that. But to date they have not done so and have not been asked to. In the meantime Trump is acting within his authority as the court grudgingly concedes. All of this judicial lawfare that Reason celebrates is just that. Lawfare.
The AEA says the exact opposite. Look at section 23.
There is no section 23. Section one makes it clear that the Executive sets the standard here.
SECTION 1. Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That whenever there shall be a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government, and the President of the United States shall make public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being males of the age of fourteen years and upwards, who shall be within the United States, and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured and removed, as alien enemies. And the President of the United States shall be, and he is hereby authorized, in any event, as aforesaid, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed, on the part of the United States, towards the aliens who shall become liable, as aforesaid; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject, and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those, who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, shall refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which shall be found necessary in the premises and for the public safety: Provided, that aliens resident within the United States, who shall become liable as enemies, in the manner aforesaid, and who shall not be chargeable with actual hostility, or other crime against the public safety, shall be allowed, for the recovery, disposal, and removal of their goods and effects, and for their departure, the full time which is, or shall be stipulated by any treaty, where any shall have been between the United States, and the hostile nation or government, of which they shall be natives, citizens, denizens or subjects: and where no such treaty shall have existed, the President of the United States may ascertain and declare such reasonable time as may be consistent with the public safety, and according to the dictates of humanity and national hospitality.
This must be the lies retard reddit is going with now.
They always accuse us of exactly what they are doing. Lying, ignorant tools.
Section 23 gives the court the power and obligation to order the imprisonment of an at large alien pending his removal. It does not create any due process right.
It is truly amazing how so many MAGA trolls think they can post lies that won't get debunked. The AEA, in Section 2, specifically REQUIRES that an actual court authorize the removal of the alien.
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/alien-and-sedition-acts
"Lawfare" is in this case simply following the 1798 law and the Constitution.
"Harvard grad" Charlie Hall everyone!
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title50/chapter3&edition=prelim
the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies. . The President is authorized in any such event, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed on the part of the United States, toward the aliens who become so liable; the manner and degree of the restraint to which they shall be subject and in what cases, and upon what security their residence shall be permitted, and to provide for the removal of those who, not being permitted to reside within the United States, refuse or neglect to depart therefrom; and to establish any other regulations which are found necessary in the premises and for the public safety.
Wrong. What this does is allow district judges to apprehend and bring charges, within the framework set by the Executive.
An Act Respecting Alien Enemies
SEC. 2. And be it further enacted, That after any proclamation shall be made as aforesaid, it shall be the duty of the several courts of the United States, and of each state, having criminal jurisdiction, and of the several judges and justices of the courts of the United States, and they shall be, and are hereby respectively, authorized upon complaint, against any alien or alien enemies, as aforesaid, who shall be resident and at large within such jurisdiction or district, to the danger of the public peace or safety, and contrary to the tenor or intent of such proclamation, or other regulations which the President of the United States shall and may establish in the premises, to cause such alien or aliens to be duly apprehended and convened before such court, judge or justice; and after a full examination and hearing on such complaint. and sufficient cause therefor appearing, shall and may order such alien or aliens to be removed out of the territory of the United States, or to give sureties of their good behaviour, or to be otherwise restrained, conformably to the proclamation or regulations which shall and may be established as aforesaid, and may imprison, or otherwise secure such alien or aliens, until the order which shall and may be made, as aforesaid, shall be performed.
And it also states that the judges are responsible for their districts, in this context, and only their districts.
It's amazing how idiots come here and post law that contradicts their claims. Sec 2 doesn't require or authorize judicial review. Are you really this stupid?
He’s really that stupid.
You still don't even understand what due process means shit for brains. I posted the regulations and required process twice today.
The judge is DEFYING the very law he claims to support. A district court even hearing the case should be considered misconduct.
The nature of the case inherently falls under the Supreme Court's ORIGINAL jurisdiction.
The Fifth Amendment guaranteeing due process for everyone is not thin air. From the SCOTUS decision on Alien Enemies Act: “It is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law” in the context of removal proceedings. Reno v. Flores, 507 U. S. 292, 306 (1993).
Yeah we get that but the required due process is literally described in the statute. If the court believes that the law is lacking in that respect why have they not found the law unconstitutional or more to the point, why has nobody challenged the law itself. It seems that the Court has left it to politicized district court judges to impose their wish list of what due process is required. This is bullshit judging.
They challenged the law under Truman. Scotus upheld it.
Yes. Which explains why in the current kerfuffle nobody has actually challenged the law. This is district court lawfare with the backhanded complicity of SCOTUS. The Supremes are in the position where they will have to overturn their own precedent or provoke the constitutional crisis everybody is screeching about. We can talk about facilitating and due process all day long but until these cowards face the problem they have created it's all bullshit.
You wrote above, "The AEA gives the executive full authority to deport aliens without judicial review." That is a lie, as I pointed out above. An actual court has to authorize the removal.
You linked the wrong thing "Harvard grad" Charlie Hall!
The law requires no such thing. I get that it's old English but I'm sure a fancy lawyer like you can can figure it out. The law command's the court to order the arrest and imprisonment of the alien or otherwise guarantee his location until such time that he can be deported. It does not allow for review of the deportation order.
Actually, retard, it says that the court may “cause such alien or aliens to be duly apprehended and convened before such court, judge or justice;”.
That means they can request law enforcement in their district to search for “any alien or alien enemies, as aforesaid, who shall be resident and at large within such jurisdiction” and bring them to court.
It does not say that every alien that is apprehended under this law must go to court.
Is the left getting more retarded?
The due process for illegal immigration is laid out in law. The due process required for the AEAis laid out in the law. Neither mentions a 21 day waiting period dumb fuck. That is something from thin air created by this judge.
The judge did not strike down the law, scotus has upheld it. The judge CREATED a new condition.
Have you ever thought of trying to use logic and thinking?
When has the law ever been a consideration for the left beyond how to use it as a tool or weapon?
Here is the part you left out. The Judge is interpreting the Sup Ct decision and asked each side (ACLU and DOJ) what they thought. ACLU asked for 30days notice - which was a precedent set during ww2 the last time the AEA was invoked. The DOJ offered 24hrs.
The judge ruled 21days.
Now if you could explain to the commenters how or why 24hrs from notice is enough time to secure counsel and file for habeas before being removed permanently I would love to hear it. Because the govt is apprehending people and moving them around the country (mainly to Texas, Louisiana and Arizona). If you were apprehended in Boston but end up in Louisiana ...and habeas is a civil proceeding so you don't get appointed counsel, how are they supposed to be able to find and hire and file habeas in a location where they know nobody and have never lived nor step foot in and likely don't even speak the local language.
When you retort: I don't give a damn that's their problem. Hurr Durr. Why yes, it is a problem. A problem this court solved by requiring 21days to get their shit together and give them (or their family) a meaningful chance to file for habeas. Which is what the US SUP CT ordered.
Compare that with State Department bureaucrat Green Hackworth, and Brit experts who from the late 30s till 1946 insisted that Germany had every right to murder Jews et alii within her expanding borders. FDR named Herbert Pell to the War Crimes Commission to argue that individuals had rights, and the bureaucracy blocked him entirely. Fortunately there was more honest journalism than nowadays.
Exactly. This is literally legislation written and passed by a single judge. Preposterous
If the government fails to faithfully follow the clear terms of D.B.U. v. Trump, the government's bad faith will be plain for all to see.
Sweeney's order also provides a sort of yardstick for other judges to measure their own actions in similar AEA cases. If 21 days' notice is good enough for the District of Colorado, a federal judge in a different district might ask herself, is it good enough here?
The Supreme Court will be watching too. Remember, the Court's April 7 order not only left the details of due process unspecified; the order also said nothing about the underlying statutory conflict. In other words, the Court said nothing about whether Trump's use of the Alien Enemies Act was lawful or not in the first place. In fact, there is excellent reason to think that Trump has acted unlawfully.
LOL. I don't think you understand what the term "bad faith" means.
Trump starts deportations with the worst of the worst and yet you guys are still crying about it. I'd rather him save time and money by just kicking them out.
Why are they so eager to give more legal rights to foreign enemies than many citizens receive?
Spoken like a true fascist. Denying due process and relying on the the say-so of the government. And they do not have more legal rights than citizens. It is an honor to stand up for the rights of those who deserve them the least.
Denying due process rights to someone denies it to everyone.
If you don't belong here then we really just need to confirm that to kick you out. That is due process
“First they came for illegals and I said fuck yeah!”
Of course, because they’re illegal.
So is Trump.
Huh?
That was you for Trump, Flynn, j6, Alex jones....
Denying due process rights to someone denies it to everyone.
Unless the press calls your activity an insurrection. Then they deserve to be shot in the face for trespassing, locked up for a year without charges, withhold evidence, and kangarooed by the DNC on national television.
It’s ok because Democrats did it first. Preach it brother!
Democrats did it to Americans. You and Molly cheered that shit when due process was ignored. Now you demand the entirety of the American justice system to deport for criminal aliens. Puzzling.
They got due process up the ass, dude.
And I didn’t cheer shit, despite the lies told about me every day. I don’t think Molly had even joined us yet.
Maybe if the people you’re crying about had thought of the consequences of blocking Congress from certifying the election before they rioted in the Capital, things would have gone differently for them. Ever think of that? What happened to personal responsibility?
So breaking laws have consequences? Is that what you are now saying? Or does it only apply to American citizens?
I’ve never said otherwise, despite the lies I don’t defend myself from because doing so would be a full time job.
What I am saying is that people who break the law have a right to due process. Why are you so hostile to allowing people to defend themselves from government accusations? Did government suddenly become honest and competent? You saying they’re infallible now and you can trust them?
Biden give back theory of classified documents?
Due process means novel legal construction overturned by the USSC, over a year without seeing a judge, solitary confinement before trial, fealty statements...?
What due process did Babbitt get again?
You know most of the people that they’re talking about did no rioting….
Yeah seriously anybody who was silent when the due process rights of J6 were denied every day for years needs to shut the fuck up. Looking directly at every single Reason editor. Root finally discovers due process. Fuck you Damon. Eat shit you scumbag asshole.
Nonsense. The J6 defendants got real trials.
Utilizing a law incorrectly applied and many being denied due process with the worst violation being a year before seeing a single judge. "Harvard grad" Charlie Hall! Everyone!
Wow, Charlie Hall is a Harvard man!!
I've got to rethink my opinion of his posts. Turns a whole new light on the term Harad Grad for sure.
Makes me want to cut off federal welfare to Harvard.
Nice jab. That factual retort stirred up the lice on at least three Muted Lewsers.
Hahahahahahaha
You’re an absolute treasure Hankie.
I am lost. When did it become a MAGA lie that the J6 people go no due process? They got trials, lawyers, appeal rights. Their crimes were broadcast live on TV and many uploaded photos of their crimes to social media.
You are indeed lost. Also an asshole.
You realize that you have lost the argument so you resort to profanity.
Where did I lose the argument?
Oh. So misapplying laws is due process? Scotus would disagree.
Allowing a defendent to remain jailed for over a year before seeing a single judge is due process?
Broad declaration of no bail is due process?
Most ended up with parading charges yet were in jail for months. That's due process?
Fuck you Molly. Piece of shit.
Illegal aliens, let alone illegal enemies of the US, have NO due process right to remain in this country. The imposition of some ersatz Miranda warning is a beyond insane development in this judicial insurrection.
Their due process is literally in the laws around illegal immigration. Those laws have never been struck down.
Fascist don't care about laws.
Is that why you have been ignoring what the laws actually say while I've been posting the actual laws?
We know you don’t, it’s why you shitheels are sompissed whenever immigration laws are actually enforced.
Get fucked, Nazi Barbie.
The “laws around illegal immigration”? What the f? They’re illegally in the country and the law, which they broke ( hence illegal alien), requires their expulsion.
I agree with you. Posted the relevant law earlier.
https://reason.com/2025/04/24/parental-opt-outs-for-controversial-books/?comments=true#comment-11018501
Molly doesn't know what the actual law is.
Who’s next? I’m sure that there are other people who don’t deserve to see the inside of a court room. Who should be derived of due process next?
The Constitution AND statutory law say otherwise. Even the Alien Enemies Act specifically says they get a hearing before a judge.
The insanity is your wanting to scrap the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.
You posted the wrong law "Harvard grad" Charlie Hall! Lol.
What was your opinion on J6 again molly?
Fucking traitors got off easy.
Lol. Thank you for admitting you're the fucking piece of shit fascist here.
"...Except that Babbit chick, she got what was coming to her..."
1/6 defendants appreciated how hard you fought for them.
Observe how collectivized rights replace individual rights in a sort of Gresham's law aberration.
Pam Bondi is doing it the right way. She is indicting the TdA gang members by a RICO Statute. That is how it is supposed to be done, try them in court.
Only immigration courts are required by law dumdum.
What is interesting is that most of them are already in prison for other crimes. She will have to prove that the TdA gang constitutes an "enterprise". Not easy to do. This will be a long prosecution.
Hey "Harvard grad" Charlie hall... why is the doj dropping charges so they can deport them?
It was a riot seeing lawyers arguing to the court that the DOJ cannot drop charges against their client! How dare they drop charges against my client! Because if the charges are dropped, the outstanding deportation order will take effect...
Judge needs a refresher course on existing immigration laws. None say "depending on what a judge in Colorado says."
Not true. Immigration laws are interpreted differently in the various "Circuits." The Constitution says supremo judges are supposed to "ride circuit" and take part in all these different regional conglomerations. Mr Dooley believed many districts balked at the idea of letting Howard Taft climb onto a horse or mule in flagrant defiance of laws against cruelty to animals. Whatever the reason, they get to skip work, get paid just the same, and not meddle quite as directly in CIVIL migra courts as they did in Cruickshank and other criminal matters.
No, it is the commenters here who disagree with her who do.
I will make it easy for you. Here is a link to the text of the actual Alien Enemies Act. Judicial review is required, in Section 2.
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/alien-and-sedition-acts
Lol. God you're retarded "Harvard grad" Charlie hall!
No. It's not.
Notice has to be given and if the aliens can remove themselves in a timely fashion without futher ado.
Overstay that notice period (whatever the "reasonable time as may be consistent with the public safety, and according to the dictates of humanity and national hospitality" would be), or if the person is "chargeable with actual hostility, or other crime against the public safety," then they shall be "duly apprehended and conveyed before such court, judge, or justice; and after a full examination and hearing on such complaint, and sufficient cause appearing, to order such alien to be removed out of the territory of the United States."
So the due process rights here amount to 1. a notice, with a grace period to self-deport, 2. a habeous right, with the applicability to be decided in a hearing after which deportation, should it be ordered, and off we go.
Being that we’re not in a state of war, Trump now has carte blanche to deport anyone.
Apparently he just has to arbitrarily declare them to be an enemy. Just like he has carte blanche to impose tariffs by arbitrarily declaring emergencies.
The only thing more chilling than the fact that Trump is becoming a supreme leader with arbitrary power is that people are cheering him on.
You do realize the AEA covers more than just wartime and was passed by Congress during a time no war had been declared, right?
He knows it, it just doesn't matter. The left has picked their hill and will say anything to vilify Trump and other Americans. They've allied themselves to alien criminals.
The rest of us need to keep their allegiances in perspective.
Where do I find the strawman defending Muslim rapists? I’d like to slap it silly.
You're literally screaming due process regarding illegals given FINAL deportation orders like a retarded leftist.
Muslim rapists, like girl-bullying MAGAts, are the same thing. Both assert they may with impunity force women to put out by shrieking race suicide, God and Allah in loud voices with bad breath. What female would voluntarily have anything to do with either?
Actually an AUMF had been enacted about six weeks earlier.
The only thing more chilling than the fact that Trump is becoming a supreme leader with arbitrary power is that people are cheering him on.
Yep.
As Donald Trump nears the end of his first 100 days in office, he has issued a record-breaking high of 124 executive orders, while signing a record-breaking low of just five new bills into law, and caused concerns among constitutional scholars...many of Trump’s executive orders have pushed into areas typically run by states
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-executive-orders-constitution-law-b2738186.html
Governing by decree.
Just like von Hindenberg did in 1933. So what's the problem?
You have to ask what the problem is? Or are you a Nazi?
Enjoying some badinage and repartée with Da Sarcas man. Youse legal guys that can't knock off a leading question is not competent to butt into da vernacular, dig? De dig was also one a dem double awn tawnders, dig? Saaay... d'you mind showin' us some proof of citizenship since we're on the subject? Hmmmm? Papieren?
OH shit! Retard fight!
LOL
The terrifying part is that people would prefer unelected judges to run the country, not the only official elected by the populace at large
Judges are a check on power. No wonder you hate them. You want no limits on Trump’s power.
He already did. Just like Clinton, Obama, and Biden did.
Whats (D)ifferent sarc?
Let's not be dramatic!. The exact same thing was done in Germany in 1933 and "The Ladies' Home Journal" clapped and cheered with the other multitudes. The Law to Remedy the Distress of People strengthened the Christian National Socialist deportation plank. And voters, thanks to economy-wrecking antidope pressure from Harry Anslinger and Herbert Hoover, elected the candidate American prohibitionist policies made popular by calling everything a narcotic and banning it Over There. It's all free to read in the Pittsburgh and Berkeley papers online--thanks to Google's evil monopoly!
Yeah when Hitler started sending Jews to El Salvador the GOPee sprung into action and applied the Comstock Act to the entire hemisphere. If not for libertarian spoiler votes we would all be Salvadorans.
Again, it's amazing to me that Trump is at least Trying to placate these rogue district judges. Does everyone forget in the constitution the 3 branches of government are "co-equal"? Trump as president has the same level of power as Congress and SCOTUS. He should simply ignore any court order, document, tro, ruling, etc that comes from any court lower than SCOTUS. I believe there is pending legislation right now in congress to state that explicitly in law, though I don't see there's a need to state the obvious. Hasn't it already been ruled that District courts do Not have the power to make rulings on a National level? It's those District court judges that should be held in contempt of SCOTUS.
I think it's good that Trump is showing
some restraint towards the judiciary. What I see as a problem is that the Supreme Court either doesn't have the power or isn't using their power to condemn or remove these activist judges.
Where does the Constitution say that? What I see from 14A is that the J6ers engaged in treasonous insurrection. Donnie then gave them aid and comfort. But the judges with which he and previous Christian National Socialists packed the court handed him an Enabling Act loophole with which to moot impeachment, rather like Germany's President did for the Chancellor in 1933. Surely God's Own Prohibitionists can come up with abler sockpuppets than Smiffy here!
The J6 protestors were all girlbulliers. Even the 1974 Libertarian spoiler votes couldn't stop them as they enforced the Comstock Act nation wide. Be afraid Hank. Be very afraid. The insurrectionists are coming for you next.
" He should simply ignore any court order, document, tro, ruling, etc that comes from any court lower than SCOTUS. "
Not true. One can question whether District judges can issue nationwide orders, but if Trump or the Administration is a party to the case, they MUST obey the order in the specific case in front of the District judge.
There is not really a question.
No, they cannot issue national injunctions. Based on any reading of US law or even English common law.
Why is it that a coequal branch MUST obey the lowest of members of another branch?
The original, uninfiltrated LP platform defended due process for the criminally accused. Immigration proceedings are civil, not criminal--although there are statutory provisions for criminal indictment and district court proceedings for deportees who turn around and re-enter illegally. Since its founding the US--like the LP--has been surrounded by communo-fascist dictatorships and mystical-berserker monarchies eager to infiltrate, corrupt and destroy. Our home-grown looter kleptocracy is proving itself able to accomplish all that without imported saboteurs.
Tragically once the LP was infiltrated their 2 percent vote share declined to 1 percent. Pundits blame the unsubstantiated rumor that Chase is gay.
I knew that because Jeff repeatedly told us all that Chase was a "fag".
"Since its founding the US--like the LP--has been surrounded by communo-fascist dictatorships"
Given that the words communism and fascism didn't exist in 1776, you now are in first place for the prize for the most ignorant comment of the day.
The vernacular for early applied communism was The Terror (see 1793 f/ex.), and EVERY christian monarchy and pantheist empire since before Italy was so baptized was mystical fascism. The referent--the "thing" to non-linguists--sits there uncaring. Apologists make up dummy names from time to time to confuse anonymous sockpuppets. What Augustus and Mussolini stood on was the same boot. The Germania WW1 and WW2 were fought on was largely the lebensraum out of which Vandals and Goths sallied SW to harry Rome in many languages.
OH Shit. Harvard Charlie thinks Hank is MAGA!
This has been a highly entertaining comment section.
§22. Time allowed to settle affairs and depart
When an alien who becomes liable as an enemy, in the manner prescribed in section 21 of this title, is not chargeable with actual hostility, or other crime against the public safety, he shall be allowed, for the recovery, disposal, and removal of his goods and effects, and for his departure, the full time which is or shall be stipulated by any treaty then in force between the United States and the hostile nation or government of which he is a native citizen, denizen, or subject; and where no such treaty exists, or is in force, the President may ascertain and declare such reasonable time as may be consistent with the public safety, and according to the dictates of humanity and national hospitality.
§23. Jurisdiction of United States courts and judges
After any such proclamation has been made, the several courts of the United States, having criminal jurisdiction, and the several justices and judges of the courts of the United States, are authorized and it shall be their duty, upon complaint against any alien enemy resident and at large within such jurisdiction or district, to the danger of the public peace or safety, and contrary to the tenor or intent of such proclamation, or other regulations which the President may have established, to cause such alien to be duly apprehended and conveyed before such court, judge, or justice; and after a full examination and hearing on such complaint, and sufficient cause appearing, to order such alien to be removed out of the territory of the United States, or to give sureties for his good behavior, or to be otherwise restrained, conformably to the proclamation or regulations established as aforesaid, and to imprison, or otherwise secure such alien, until the order which may be so made shall be performed.
Seems like the law here is pretty explicit. Court orders you deported, good bye.
Court. Not ICE.
USCIS and ICE were acting as drumhead courts for awhile. Semiliterate teens crowded at the border because "señor Baidem eenbyeted us." The general impression was that all they had to do was claim a loanshark was out to get them for the stiffed fare and they'd be in like Flynn as refugees, all set up with hot and cold running political asylum and "free" lawyers. As epidemic-control improv the kids (and whatnot) were quizzed and sent packing, lies and all, back in the other direction. THEN they got the idea that sobbing the same story to a judge would work. It did actually work, but mainly to elect republicans.
"What the Supreme Court's order did not do, however, was to spell out exactly what counted as either a 'reasonable time' or a proper 'manner'"
Oh look, look illegal invaders! More ideas on how to STALL the 'due process' of the law... /s
Where in the Constitution are district court judges given the power to fill in perceived blanks in statutes?
Hey buddy. The constitution is a living breathing ever evolving force. We could wake up tomorrow and it could be breathing fire on Tokyo and battling Mothra.
Again, this is a Judicial Order that has no teeth.
Round up the illegal, staple a postcard that says "Due Process LOL" to his forehead just to openly mock him, and then get him out of the country. Once they're on someone else's soil, the issue is moot.
You can sob oceans of liberal tears about it, whining about a Constitution you'd happily wipe your ass with any other day of the week, but not a one of them will make a difference. Once the illegal alien is out, America's legal reach to do anything whatsoever about him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkJqKOb0ZhY
So get over it. This happening. And it won't be stopped. This is Donald J Orange Bad Man we're talking about. He's just going to ignore them.
If the government fails to faithfully follow the clear terms of D.B.U. v. Trump, the government's bad faith will be plain for all to see.
Who cares. Not one single person who voted for him, and not very many people who didn't.
But you know what, I am getting a little sick of constantly hearing about Killmore Alfredo Tequila and why a wife-beating gangbanger is the epitome of American Civics. So, let's politely as our friend in El Salvador to arrange transportation out of the nation.
And to Somalia.
Oooh, or better yet, Israel. We can make a call to our friends there too (I hear property in Gaza has recently been made available), and then delight in watching the libs go really bananas - knowing there's absolutely nothing whatsoever they can do or rightfully object to about it.
What is the point of this comment? Are you trying to prove to somebody (or perhaps yourself) how tough you are? Killmore Alfredo Tequila is a nice touch.
You know, the moderation on this site is kinda lax. You can just call him a wetback. It's not like people can't read between the lines of your racist ramblings.
We get it. You don't like restraints on executive power. You want Trump to be an emperor. If a majority of the people want any illegal alien found hung from lightpoles you will be the first to cheer the executive on to make sure it happens. Hooray.
Students in history class, when confronted with the horrors of Germany in WW2, always ask the same question. How could the German people have let that happen? Well now we know.
AT is here to carry out the President's will. A fox news polls said 82% of GOP support Trump's deportation efforts therefore no law, no court, no constitution can stop it.
Because that is how everything works in simpletonville. Just a quick car ride from propaganda-estates.
Pathetic. Even for you. Demand better of yourself.
Pathetic. We expect no better of you.
What is the point of this comment?
I could say the same to you. Basically all you did was call me a racist and an authoritarian (you can just say nazi, the rest of your ilk does).
I don't really care, because neither of those things are true - but what's telling is that it's the only arrow left in your quiver at this point.
Tell me I'm wrong about the enforceability of these court orders. Don't think I didn't notice how you skipped right past that (in every thread in which it's been pointed out). They can straight up be ignored. Keep loading the planes and shipping them out. Heck, it doesn't even matter if you accidentally scoop up a few visa holders. Just revoke the visa as soon as they're gone. They're not entitled to it. And if they really want back in, they can just reapply.
You pretend to be an attorney - tell me I'm wrong and how. What legal authority do you think the Court has over non-citizens not in America?
I'll wait.
And in the meantime, we'll all enjoy the mass deportations that are long overdue.
A fox news polls said 82% of GOP support Trump's deportation efforts therefore no law, no court, no constitution can stop it.
Well, I'm not GOP so I can't speak to that - but... yea, if we can round these people up and get them out of the country, due process is moot. They're non-citizens (I actually prefer the term anti-citizen) not in America. Court has no say over them.
And they know it. And so do you. But you can't bring yourself to admit that, so it's straight back to the oh-so-pedestrian... "UR RACISS U NAZI" TDS nonsense.
Killmore Alfredo Tequila is a nice touch.
I thought so. 😀
"The Supreme Court's April 7 order is perhaps best understood as a broad declaration of basic principles of due process and judicial review, specifically issued by the Court in response to the administration's flagrant disregard for such principles. In effect, the Supreme Court put the Trump administration on notice."
Bullshit.
All it did was affirm the requirements present in the AEA, wherein the requisite due process is spelled out. There was not a sweeping expansion of magical due process rights conjured out of thin air.
This was simply: "The law you're using says that you have to do A and B, so we expect that you do A and B."
SCOTUS found that the AEA does, in fact, include a notification requirement, and a habeous right. IANAL but I can I read the text of the law pretty plainly to do both...
"Provided, that aliens resident within the United States, who shall become liable as enemies, in the manner aforesaid, and who shall not be chargeable with actual hostility, or other crime against the public safety, shall be allowed, for the recovery, disposal, and removal of their goods and effects, and for their departure, the full time which is, or shall be stipulated by any treaty, where any shall have been between the United States, and the hostile nation or government, of which they shall be natives, citizens, denizens or subjects: and where no such treaty shall have existed, the President of the United States may ascertain and declare such reasonable time as may be consistent with the public safety, and according to the dictates of humanity and national hospitality.
[Although "...may ascertain and declare such reasonable time as may be consistent with the public safety, and according to the dictates of humanity and national hospitality." could allow for zero time after notice to vacate, if the President ascertains and declares it, but that might not be reasonable...according to the dictates of humanity and national hospitality."]
"That after any proclamation shall be made as aforesaid, it shall be the duty of the several courts of the United States, and of each state, having criminal jurisdiction, and of the several judges and justices of the courts of the United States, and they shall be, and are hereby respectively, authorized upon complaint, against any alien or alien enemies, as aforesaid, who shall be resident and at large within such jurisdiction or district, to the danger of the public peace or safety, and contrary to the tenor or intent of such proclamation, or other regulations which the President of the United States shall and may establish in the premises, to cause such alien or aliens to be duly apprehended and convened before such court, judge or justice; and after a full examination and hearing on such complaint. and sufficient cause therefor appearing, shall and may order such alien or aliens to be removed out of the territory of the United States, or to give sureties of their good behaviour, or to be otherwise restrained, conformably to the proclamation or regulations which shall and may be established as aforesaid, and may imprison, or otherwise secure such alien or aliens, until the order which shall and may be made, as aforesaid, shall be performed.
Why doesn't Trump just use the law that Obama used to deport. According to Grok it is the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), particularly Section 237?
Regardless we have a due process trap with regards to illegal aliens. Congress needs to write a law whereby their undocumented status is all one needs to deport them?
Any law passed by Congress would still have to abide the due process clauses of the 5th amendment. The Statute at issue here implies a (statutory) right to hearing. But even if it didn't, the Constitution and a string of US SUP CT decisions interpreting the Constitution's due process clause would require/demand it anyway.
If Congress tried to pass a new version of the AEA, for example, and left a right to hearing out and left everything to the discretion of the Executive branch, the US SUP CT would have to overturn it. Or reverse dozens upon dozens of their own cases. I don't think the US SUP CT is going to throw all that out for the sake of Trump appeasing his racist base to hasten deportations. The damage would be too great and stare decisis is a thing that would be destroyed along with the some of the constitution's most important restraints on government.
"Any law passed by Congress would still have to abide the due process clauses of the 5th amendment. The Statute at issue here implies a (statutory) right to hearing. But even if it didn't, the Constitution and a string of US SUP CT decisions interpreting the Constitution's due process clause would require/demand it anyway."
True of US citizens. End of story. Fuck off and die, asshole.
“Well, he’s just sending them back home. If their home decides to put them in jail that’s on them.”
Most are from Venezuela. El Salvador isn’t home.
“Well, who cares? If El Salvador decides to put them in prison that’s on them.”
Trump hired El Salvador expressly to put them in prison. They’re in prison because he made that happen and he’s using your money to imprison them.
“Maybe they shouldn’t have broken the law?”
There’s no evidence they did. The USA didn’t charge them with anything or formally accuse them of anything. They simply rounded up immigrants because they looked suspicious to ICE officers and put them in prison.
“Well, they weren’t here legally. So it’s good.”
Says who? They were never given the ability to prove they were here legally. And attorneys for many of the victims have indicated they were here legally. Their assertions haven’t been refuted and the state won’t hear their case in court.
Besides, if the worst they’ve done is be here illegally, why do you think putting them in prison for life is a just punishment for that?
It’s not even a crime.
“But they’re in gangs. Why do you want gang members here?”
There’s no evidence they were in gangs. Maybe some were, maybe some weren’t. Do you think it’s good for a cop to simply say you’re in a gang and then toss you in prison for life?
“That’s different. I’m a citizen. I get different rights!”
If you’re going to appeal to rights guaranteed by the state, you’re wrong. The constitution is clear that due process is owed to all people, not just citizens. And the courts have routinely upheld that.
“I’m tired of them using my tax money to be here in the first place.”
It’s debatable on whether they were.
What’s not debatable is your tax money IS being used to imprison them.
“It’s a good deterrent, though. That way other migrants don’t come.”
Do you think having a government imprison innocent people as a deterrent is how you get a free society?
Do you just want a dictator that can punish whoever he wants whenever he wants, even for breaking no laws? Do you think that will end well for you later on when other people wield the same power but have different goals than you?
Well put. I think the issue here in these comments... is that many take the Stephen Miller approach to these issues. And by that I mean, "the cruelty is the point." The crueler the 'punishment' the better.
Scapegoat entire nationalities as rapists, drug dealers, thugs, vermin and the 'worst of the worst.' That only works if there are no hearings because if there were hearings, then the public would know that a majority of them are not the 'worst of the worst.' It quite likely the vast majority are in violation of some civil immigration statutes. But not 'rapists, murderers, thugs, etc...'
So basically they have to ignore anything that would show their rhetoric and propaganda is false. If following the constitution would show not just the public but the greater world that they are incompetent as well as fascist... you hide the evidence, deny the hearings, and sacrifice the constitution to protect your own reputation. It's one thing to be cruel. Its another to be a clown. And incompetence on display in public hearings will hurt their ego as infallible powerful men of purpose.
"Scapegoat entire nationalities as rapists, drug dealers, thugs, vermin and the 'worst of the worst.'"
Notice this steaming pile of shit is now claiming illegal aliens are a "nationality". And s/he claims to be a lawyer!
Lie.
Lie.
Lie.
Lie.
Lie.
BSalz3586 is a lying pile of TDS-addled shit, ain't he?
"Federal authorities arrest Wisconsin judge over immigration battle"
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"Federal authorities have arrested a Wisconsin-based judge amid an investigation into whether she tried to help a migrant lacking permanent legal status avoid arrest after he appeared in her courtroom.
Milwaukee County Circuit Judge Hannah Dugan was arrested Friday on charges connected to obstructing a proceeding and concealing an individual to prevent their arrest .
“I can confirm that our @FBI agents just arrested Hannah Dugan — a county judge in Milwaukee — for allegedly helping an illegal alien avoid an arrest by @ICEgov,” Attorney General Pam Bondi wrote. “No one is above the law.”..."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/federal-authorities-arrest-wisconsin-judge-over-immigration-battle/ar-AA1DD9ih?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=2021bf538c4f464fae67e09cfc66daf6&ei=16
There's room in the jail, lady.