Alito and Thomas May Trust Trump To Follow a Court Order, but Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett Seemingly Do Not
Understanding the Supreme Court's unusual late-night ruling against the Trump administration

Justice Samuel Alito protests that the U.S. Supreme Court acted "hastily and prematurely" when it issued an unusual late-night order on Friday blocking the Trump administration from using the Alien Enemies Act to carry out a new batch of deportations. "I refused to join the Court's order," Alito wrote in dissent in A.A.R.P. v. Trump, "because we had no good reason to think that, under the circumstances, issuing an order at midnight was necessary or appropriate."
Notably, only Justice Clarence Thomas joined Alito's dissent. Which raises the obvious question: Why did the other seven justices—including all three justices appointed by President Donald Trump—decide that the midnight order was necessary and appropriate?
Before tackling that question, it's worth recounting how we got here. On April 7, the Supreme Court unanimously held in Trump v. J.G.G. that all deportees under the Alien Enemies Act (AEA) must be afforded due process, including "notice and an opportunity to challenge their removal." Specifically, according to the Court's order, "AEA detainees must receive notice after the date of this order that they are subject to removal under the Act. The notice must be afforded within a reasonable time and in such a manner as will allow them to actually seek habeas relief in the proper venue before such removal occurs."
Yet the Trump administration was reportedly preparing to carry out another round of rushed AEA removals late last week absent the required notice and opportunity to challenge. In other words, the Trump administration was reportedly preparing to act in potential violation of the Supreme Court's April 7 order.
That prompted emergency filings by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which is representing some of the Venezuelan nationals facing AEA deportation. Those individuals are currently being held in a detention center in Texas.
After failing to obtain a federal district court order to halt those Texas deportations, the ACLU asked both the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit and the Supreme Court to step in. The Supreme Court obliged, ruling late on Friday night (April 18) that "the Government is directed not to remove any of the putative class of detainees from the United States until further order of this court."
Writing in dissent, Alito argued that the Court did not need to do what it did because the Trump administration had already informed a lower court that, in Alito's words, "no such deportations were then planned to occur either yesterday, April 18, or today, April 19."
But Alito may have been mistaken about the government's representations in court. According to this report from ABC News, the Trump administration did not foreclose the possibility of carrying out further deportations on Saturday April 19:
While a lawyer for the Department of Justice initially suggested that no deportation flights were scheduled for Friday or Saturday, he backtracked later in Friday's hearing, keeping the door open for flights to begin as soon as Saturday.
"I've spoken with DHS, they are not aware of any current plans for flights tomorrow, but I have also been told to say that they reserve the right to remove people tomorrow," Deputy Assistant Attorney General Drew Ensign said.
If that report is accurate, then the Trump administration's claim to "reserve the right to remove people tomorrow" suggests that the administration may have been preparing to act in imminent violation of the Supreme Court's April 7 order.
Which brings us back to the question posed above: Why did seven justices decide that the unusual midnight order was necessary and appropriate in A.A.R.P. v. Trump?
The most plausible answer may be that Alito and Thomas are now the only members of the Court who are still willing to trust the Trump administration to faithfully abide by court orders in an AEA case, especially when the clock is ticking. The rest of the Court, including Trump appointees Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett, are now seemingly prepared to use a much firmer hand to keep the administration in check.
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>>unusual late-night ruling
hilarious! gonna explain the why here?
Well right off the bat the X (formerly known as... Yeah I'm not doing this anymore) link specifically says that they received notice of their imminent deportation. But the more interesting issue is that Root steers clear of how exactly title 3 has any jurisdiction or interest in deportation. I get that the Court claims to be the infallible final arbiter of virtually every conceivable question that might ever arise. But it's a power that the court gave itself. I didn't vote for it. Nobody did. But libertarians kneel before these costumed clowns. Until they don't anymore.
As alito states in the dissent there were no known deportations for over the weekend. The ACLU lied.
Yeah ACLU brought their claims to the district court, the circuit court and the Supreme Court all in the same day. To call this midnight order unusual is a gross understatement. I look forward to Gorsuch's explanation.
Maybe they will hear a Second Amendment case this fast, since those violations have been going on for decades.
There was a bus of detainees heading to a Texas airport who were told they were about to be deported. None of them got due process. The ACLU ended up being right.
Lol. Gonna laugh my ass off when you post whatever leftist lie you got that from.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/legal-fight-raged-ice-buses-filled-venezuelans-heading-airport-turned-rcna202007
A lot of assumptions in that article Jeff. Which one of the 5 the ACLU was arguing for were on the bus?
What does heading towards an airport mean? Have you ever been to Texas? Most highways lead to airports. Was a plane waiting for the bus?
Even your article says it turned around prior to the ruling lol. How long? Why before a ruling dumdum?
Lots of missing "facts" there buddy.
So, at least you acknowledge that there was a bus, it was full of migrants going to be deported, even though the government said that they weren't going to be deporting any that weekend. Despite your goalpost-shifting games, you acknowledge the validity of the claim made above.
SCOTUS said that each migrant must have the opportunity to file a habeas corpus petition. Did they have that opportunity?
We acknowledge that that’s what the article says. You fat bitch.
Also, you completely gobbled government propaganda as if it were truth and then decided to regurgitate it here. When did you become a boot-licking worshipper of the state?
You’re the boot-licker, pedophile.
Name calling is not the win you think it is. Then again, withholding the Constitutional right to due process isn't much of a win for anyone either. Come to think of it, the 11 trillion dollars erased from the stock market isn't what normal people would consider "winning" either.
Some of us made the mistake of taking Trump literally when he said he was going lower prices, instead of taking him seriously, in that he is seriously fucking up all over the place.
As a champion of Marxist democrat propaganda, you’re not one to talk.
Are you Fatfuck. Go back to your NAMBLA board, and go bother Shrike and the other child fuckers there.
"...None of them got due process..."
You have been shown to be a lying pile of shit regarding this issue many times; why would anyone now think you're not blowing it out your ass?
Ok Tony, describe what ‘due process’ means in this context.
I suspect that he won't be satisfied until each and every illegal immigrant winds through the Courts, all the way to the Supreme Court, for each and every possible infraction that the immigrant may have committed, one at a time, from murder all the way down to shoplifting a penny candy, before we could determine if the illegal immigrant has, to the satisfaction of the Supreme Court, been found they are here illegally -- and then start the process yet again until it gets back to the Supreme Court to determine that yes, because he is here illegally, he can be sent home.
The process will take years for each immigrant immigrant, but that's ok, because it's the only possible way to ensure every immigrant has had "due process".
Even *if* that were the case, if the law is in the Constitution, it's the law. Support of the Constitution is not a la carte. We are either a nation of laws or we are not. You can scream until you're blue in the face why President Trump *ought* to ignore the Constitution, but you would still only be suggesting he break the law. Patriots have a problem with that.
But the fact is that not every person the administration wants to deport would even qualify for a court battle. Certainly not a Supreme Court battle. Due process means a judge looks at each case and determines whether the people have the right of protection from deportation or not. Those who have been granted asylum or temporary asylum, permanent residents and those with green cards or visas, and American citizens should all be protected from deportation. If it cannot be shown that they are citizens or have been granted those waivers they can be deported summarily. What the fuck is wrong with that? All anyone is demanding is that before throwing someone out of the country- or worse, throwing them in a foreign prison- we make sure the government is not (once again) committing an "administrative error" as the Trump administration admitted it has done in more than one instance. What is wrong with that? Seriously!
MAGAts love to repeat the assertions that Abrego Garcia was a gang member. But he has no gang affiliation that anyone can demonstrate. He was complying with court orders and following the law. He was never criminally charged and never found guilty of breaking the law. Not here. Not in El Salvador. Nowhere.
How is it that people can claim simultaneously to be libertarians and demand that the government deny people their rights in direct contradiction to the US Constitution? Can you *genuinely* not sense the hypocrisy? Do you have any ability to think critically? Or are you so deep up the ass of the cult that the fumes have overwhelmed you? This is about Constitutional rights. I would have thought that Constitutional rights were something the people here cared about. I should have known better.
That isnt the law, you Marxist shitweasel.
Yeah, I just want him to admit it. Of course, being a lying, sophist, Sorosite snake, he won’t.
So you're saying the order didn't do anything. So no harm done.
“ I didn't vote for it. Nobody did.”
Much like the Constitution itself. Is that your argument for why it’s OK to ignore it?
What part of the constitution is being ignored?
Before you scream due process like the dumb leftist retard you are, know that SCOTUS has already ruled on immigration courts and the laws being utilized.
Have you heard of this one?
The administration is claiming an invasion, of gangs whom the administration claims are terrorists. Personally, I think deport every illegal, but nobody gets imprisoned without a trial; but your quote does not address their argument.
Trump did not suspend habeas corpus (yet) and SCOTUS said that each migrant had the right to file a habeas corpus appeal.
I will scream due process because the detainees were not getting what the law required.
Again. You refuse to educate yourself on what the law requires. We have posted the relevant laws. You have not.
And the courts have corrected your misunderstanding about the law. Misinterpreting it is something you can avoid if you read their ruling. If you weren't completely learnproof.
Tony Godiva doesn’t have a fucking clue about the law. Notice how he NEVER has a specific argument to make. He just shrieks buzzwords like MSNBC to him to.
No, you'll scream incoherently and without purpose or function or any understanding of anything at all.
There's a difference.
It's... just what you theater kids do.
Hey pop quiz hotshot. What does "due process" mean? No googling! Honor system.
Again, you scream words you obviously don’t understand.
Then you should remember that despite Stephen Miller pretending it was a win when Trump lost 9-0 in the SC, it was in fact a loss. And it was because the immigrants had been given due process.
the Trump administration's claim to "reserve the right to remove people tomorrow" suggests that the administration may have been preparing to act in imminent violation of the Supreme Court's April 7 order.
So what if they do?
Here's the problem for the Court (and the media, and the left): these are not American citizens we're talking about. These are foreign nationals, and America has no claim, obligation, or responsibility to them once they're outside of our borders.
All Trump has to do is get them out of the country, and that's it. Game over. What's the Court going to do? Sanction him? Wag their finger and say, "You can't do that!" Assert their non-existent authority over a foreign nation?
Trump gets it. And to his credit, I agree with him on this approach. Get these people OUT of America, and they STOP being America's problem. What are they going to do, file a civil suit? Well go ahead and do that from El Salvador or Venezuela or Somalia or wherever the heck you get punted. Good luck with that.
Oh my gosh, some American Civil Liberties Union files suit looking for injunctions and restitution? Fine. Who cares. Ignore them. Keep doing it. What are they going to do?
The Court is in the unenviable position of ruling, but knowing they have no enforceability on the subject whatsoever. None. Zero. And the best part is, the Democrats already played its jokers and aces the last go around. (What, you think impeachment is going to have any more traction today than it did the last few times?)
The border jumpers are going to be rounded up and shipped out. The legal shenanigans of these criminal sympathizers may make a lot of hay, but they won't amount to ANYTHING. And, better yet, it illustrates PRECISELY how much "rights" a border jumping criminal ACTUALLY has when they are here illegally. For all the whining about Due Process and Equal Protection and Legal Challenge to Removal and everything else - hey guess what, they're not Americans. If they're already removed, none of that means squat.
Because, as foreign aliens, they never actually had those rights in the first place. That was a legal fiction, 100%.
Yeah meanwhile Bukele is offering to swap Venezuelans in EL Salvador prisons for El Salvadoran political prisoners in Madura's prisons. How will SCOTUS litigate that? Order Trump to bomb El Salvador?
"You.... you can't do that! We said so! Trump, you need to do something you have no power or authority to do!"
lol, I'm still on a "libertarian" website.
I'd be a lot more impressed if Maduro had made the corresponding offer.
So what rights should foreigners have while they are in the US? Any?
You tell us first.
I don't know Jeffster. You tell me. Literally, make me a list and explain each bullet point on it. What rights should border jumping criminals have?
No, I'm asking you.
I'll also point out that mass-murdering psychopaths in this country at least have a right to a trial by jury before being sent to prison. Don't you think that if the government is going to be sending 'border jumping criminals' to a foreign prison, they should at least have the same rights as psychopaths?
AT aspires to be a mass murderer. Seriously. He's said that he'd cheerfully murder anyone in the world who doesn't want to be forced into being an American. He's spend the rest of his life killing people one by one if he could. Or maybe in gas chambers.
Feel free to go quote that with a link, yea drunky?
Oddly still no quote from sarc.
He passed out.
Rights such as...?
Seriously, list them.
He won’t. Fatfuck is a shitweasel that way.
I agree that the guy who is an American citizen should not have been sent to a prison.
But the rest of them should be deported without concern of SCOTUS. Take them out for a boat ride and let the boat dock in Mexico and let them off there - if they want to go. Not deported, choosing to leave.
This guy?
Tricia McLaughlin
@TriciaOhio
The narrative being pushed about Jose Hermosillo is false. On April 8, Hermosillo approached Border Patrol in Tucson and stated he had entered the U.S. illegally through Nogales. He said he wanted to turn himself in and completed a sworn statement identifying as a Mexican citizen who had entered unlawfully.
He was processed and appeared in court on April 11. Afterward, he was held by the U.S. Marshals in Florence, AZ. A few days later, his family presented documents showing U.S. citizenship. The charges were dismissed, and he was released to his family.
This arrest was the direct result of Hermosillo’s own actions and statements.
Jesse is literally repeating government narrative here. Tricia McLaughlin is the assistant secretary for DHS. Funny how he doesn't mention this.
https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/immigration/2025/04/21/us-citizen-jose-hermosillo-arrested-held-10-days-immigration-charge-arizona/83196225007/
Hermosillo was arrested on April 7. He went before a judge on April 10 and said he was a US citizen. His family brought his documents to the court. It took 9 more days for him to be released. What were they waiting for? Why did it take so long? And frankly I don't believe this claim that he 'turned himself in' as an illegal alien. It sounds way too convenient. I'll wait until I see the primary source material.
Hermosillo was arrested on April 7. He went before a judge on April 10 and said he was a US citizen. His family brought his documents to the court. It took 9 more days for him to be released.
So the system worked. Great!
Sorry, why were you complaining again?
Well, good thing Hermosillo got due process and the opportunity to prove that he was a citizen. According to you, if the government thinks you're not a citizen, they can do whatever they want to you, apparently. Isn't that right?
Not if the "think" you're not a citizen.
If you're NOT a citizen.
Maybe he's complaining about the times it didn't work out be King Trump ignored the ruling of the court. One instance of complying by *not* deporting a citizen does not excuse the illegal deportation he is so hell-bent on.
Trump’s deportations are legal. You are a lying pinko trying to bring down this country, so fuck you.
Case closed.
Psychopaths are more likely to be serial killers than mass murderers. Think Ted Bundy. John Wayne Gacy.
No you fat faggot, you tell us exactly what you mean by ‘due process’ for illegals.
Due process rights. Because if foreigners don’t, then none of us do. All the government has to do is say that chemjeff is a foreigner (or illegal alien, or however you want to define those with no rights) and they can deport you. And you can’t prove otherwise, because as a foreigner you have no due process rights.
I never get tired of how childlike your guys' simplicity is.
Like, there's no way of telling an illegal alien from an American citizen. At all. Such a thing is beyond comprehension!
lol, rationalize harder. And cry into the jar.
ICE agent: "Hey you, are you a citizen?"
AT: "Yes of course!"
ICE agent: "Do you have proof?"
AT: "Yes here is my ID!"
ICE agent: "This looks forged. I'm taking you in. Hope you like El Salvador."
AT: "Wait wait I can prove I'm a citizen, just let me go get my birth certificate..."
ICE agent: "Nice try, illegal scum, but you're coming with me."
So, how do you get out of this mess without due process?
You really think that's the extent and scope of ICE's citizenship verification?
Of course you do. You have to. That's the only way your position makes any sense. Ignore the premises!
You're dodging the point. What happens when the government doesn't believe you when you claim to be a citizen?
Your citizenship is proven - like you literally just acknowledged above.
Yeah I get it. You know I am making a valid point and you cannot rebut it so you just keep dodging the point.
As much as you hate to admit it, due process for them protects YOU just as much as it protects them.
No, you're not making a valid point. You're making an idiotic point.
You're intentionally ignoring reality in order to do so. Axe ain't going to grind itself, is it.
Are you saying that the Courts are going to automatically believe everything that ICE says -- that, in particular, the Courts aren't going to take claims of citizenship seriously?
Because if that's where we're at, not only do we need to disband ICE, we need to disband the Judiciary as well.
What's more, I won't take this line of thought seriously unless you can prove that it's actually happening. It's very easy to imagine a "worst case scenario", but that doesn't mean that the "average case scenario" is invalid.
MAPedo Jeffy always has to lie. Because nothing truthful backs up his arguments.
ICE agents can't acquire anyone who wasn't ordered deported by courts and has a criminal record.
Why do you pepole keep repeating this? They can't just stop some "immigrant looking" guy off the street and ask for ID.
Also, until *this* *very* *moment* the government had no means by which to dronessassinate American citizens, deplatform whistleblowers and hound them to international zones, classify people as secessionists and treat them as they please, invent completely arbitrary tax and campaign finance law in the moment to prevent citizens from participating in their own democracy...
*Never* *before* *this* *moment* has the government's ability to punish its own citizens extrajudicially been as perilously close as it is now.
I mean sure, just a scant few years ago large portions of the public were literally pointing out where the Jews were hiding in attics and declaring between 1/5 and 1/3 of the population to be pariahs undeserving of basic, ambulatory public health services, but *this* is the keystone that's been holding it all aloft for the last 250 yrs.
This remains a leftist retarded talking point.
And yet legally ordered out of the country but refused means nothing to you lying Leftists. None of you give a shit about due process, you care about destroying Western civilization.
They do t even know what ‘due process’ means in this context. It’s just buzz words to these democrats.
No they can’t, you stupid fuck. He will have ID, a birth certificate, etc.. he can prove citizenship, assuming Pedo Jeffy is even American.
Hasn't the Supreme Court already decided that the Bill of Rights applies to anyone in the US, regardless of citizenship?
Not with immigration. See border searches. See removal of citizenship for a nazi. See revocation of visas due to speech such as communists.
You know you guys could actually spend 5 minutes looking this shit up.
The US Sup Ct literally just ruled that deportations pursuant to AEA require notice and meaningful opportunity to file habeas numbnuts.
And we just found out from Fri's hearing in DC that the notice the govt uses is woefully inadequate and to the govt, 24hrs is sufficient time to file for habeas before being removed. One full day! That is how the DOJ is saying they are complying with the Sup Ct's order. Shitty notice and a whole day to secure counsel and file for habeas before ending up in the Gulag. It's pathetic even for this DOJ but that is the story they are going with.
There are also several injunctions in various federal districts preventing removal under the AEA including southern district of texas...so the govt moves detainees to the northern district to get around the injunction. That is what is known as acting in bad faith. Not as bad faith as the legal arguments MAGA idiots in this comment section make but pretty close.
You know what happens when the govt's attorneys routinely argue and act in bad faith? The courts don't trust that their representations are truthful. They lose credibility. Once that is lost, it is very hard to regain trust. We are only a few months into this clown show. It's only going to go downhill from here.
I remember COVID.
People like you did not give the iota of a fuck about civil rights then.
Fuck off.
This shit with the court, and the democrats bleating for illegal gang bangers and for turning our kids into trannies will soon bring back McCarthyism.
The American people will demand it. And it will be glorious.
The US Sup Ct literally just ruled that deportations pursuant to AEA require notice and meaningful opportunity to file habeas
Yea, but you know as well as I do that it's wholly unenforceable. I mean, that's what makes this wife-beating Maryland Man case so fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A0q36NOgdQ
The Court KNOWS they have no power once the border jumper is outside of American jurisdiction. They're not Americans, they have no rights as Americans, and we have no claim to them or demand on their or any government whatsoever once they're in a foreign international jurisdiction.
That's WHY this approach to deportation is so.... *chef's kiss*
And you can tell Stephen Miller is just absolutely delighting in it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A0q36NOgdQ
"Well we're not in the government," say the clowns of Clown World. LMAO.
You seem to forget that whether or not the Court has jurisdiction over a particular deportee... it has and will retain jurisdiction over the attorneys the govt sends to Court. And if the govt acts in bad faith to make sure the deportee ends up outside the US jurisdiction to avoid the court's jurisdiction; then the Court has remedies against the attorneys. I am not talking about contempt. Each attorney that appears is licensed somewhere and unethical conduct and lack of candor to the court's to perpetuate abuses of due process will not be tolerated by whichever jurisdictions license these fools. Bondi can keep replacing them but if and when 'working for the DOJ' is a one way ticket to losing your ability to practice law most sensible people will reject it. And then all you get is the dregs of the profession. Kinda like Trump's Kraken lawyers only on a larger scale.
Many long term DOJ career employees left voluntarily, were fired for refusing to take unethical actions or were fired for insufficient loyalty to the President's agenda. That institutional brain drain is going to hurt.
I'm still waiting for the Judiciary to require bonds for their TROs, as required by law.
It's to the point where I'm wondering: since the Courts aren't following the law, why should they expect the Executive to?
unethical conduct and lack of candor to the court's to perpetuate abuses of due process
Except that's not happening, so no biggie.
And then all you get is the dregs of the profession.
I love the tacit admission that non-deportation supporting attorneys are the dregs of the profession.
https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815/gov.uscourts.mdd.578815.100.0_2.pdf
Please read this order and educate yourself about what is happening in the district court's right now. The DOJ has lost its ethical/moral compass and its starting to get them lost in the woods.
Eh, I've already read that. Don't know what you think it says, but ngl if I were Pam Bondi I'd be laughing my butt off.
Oh reply to the discovery requests. OK, here ya go.
"After a diligent search and reasonable inquiry, the Responding Party has no information or documentation responsive to this request. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL."
Meanwhile, border jumping Pedro is still 100% out of the Court's grasp.
US citizens don't have those rights either then. As long as the govt can do whatever it wants to whomever it wants in whatever way it wants - with a consequence of 'no recourse' if/when they eliminate those people (in a prison in El Salvador or simply disappeared under an earthen dam in Mississippi is the same thing).
This has nothing to do with some carefully parsed rights differences between aliens and citizens as evidenced in a courtroom. Aliens don't have those due process rights because we are mushy to aliens. They have those rights because you gotta be a police state goon to believe that citizens will ever have those rights if it's up to the goons to arbitrarily determine what rights citizens have
US citizens don't have those rights either then.
...why?
I mean, if an American is being illegally held in El Salvador, that's quite a different thing than if a Salvadoran is being legally held in El Salvador.
You get that right? I mean, I can get the crayons...
Because govt is a bureaucracy. They follow rules and check boxes and cover their asses. Process matters 100%. That is why due process is a constitutional right.
Once you say - it's ok to wing it and hey if you can bury the evidence, there's no recourse - then no one that govt will ever encounter is protected by rules and processes.
And why do you think a prison in El Salvador is going to allow an American special rights that they don't allow a Salvadorian. Esp if the Prez US wants them there
Due process is the Sec of State determining that they are a national security risk - that's the law. Why SCOTUS doesn't want to follow the law is beyond me.
Due process is not one executive making arbitrary decisions.
I can theoretically understand why the SC didn't just declare the AEA unconstitutional once it was exercised outside a war context. But the nanosecond they saw that the exec will continue to exercise while defying the judicial, they should have ruled that that law is unconstitutional.
"...Due process is not one executive making arbitrary decisions..."
Prove it.
He doesn’t know. This is likely what some group like Media Matters has told him to say. He’s just a mindless drone like the rest of them.
The judiciary needs to be straightened out, pronto. Or things will get ugly. Millions of us won’t tolerate any group flushing this country down the toilet.
Because govt is a bureaucracy.
*smirk*
And what is it you're defending there, my friend?
And why do you think a prison in El Salvador is going to allow an American special rights that they don't allow a Salvadorian.
"Special rights?" It's the demand for the return of an American citizen. That's not something a Salvadoran has. Because.... wait for it.... the Salvadoran isn't American.
*BOOOSH* MIND BLOWN AM I RIGHT?
Inefficient govt is the ONLY way individual liberty can be protected from the state. It's the difference between the rule of law and arbitrary tyranny.
You don't know shit about an American in foreign prisons you fucking snowflake. Bush already started that sort of shit with renditions.
Language.
Inefficient govt is the ONLY way individual liberty can be protected from the state.
And it's what you're clearly - malevolently - relying on in order to rationalize millions of border jumping illegals in America's mainland.
Why is it you want that, again?
This is, bar none, my favorite debatable issue in current events. You'll notice that all these punks ignore the very first premise. They never make even a single effort to argue in its favor or defend it against criticism. They go immediately to the derivative points, acting as if their core premise is self-proving.
It's not.
Jfree, you sissy limpwristed gimp punk, go ahead and defend the first premise. "Border jumping illegal criminal aliens are great because...................."
Aaaaaand, go.
I know you can't.
That ' first premise ' is as dumb as you are but hey I'll play.
'Border jumping criminal aliens are great because ' .... their existence proves we aren't North Korea -yet
Now go dream of machine gun nests and alligator filled moats along a beautiful yoodge border wall (paid for by Mexico).
BTW - Your beloved dear leader wants all of them as citizens doesn't he? Or is taking Central America down to the Panama Canal just a large ethnic cleansing project (libertarian of course)?
Oh wow... so you literally want to flood America with illegals because... *checks notes* you're afraid of seeming like NK.
That's your argument.
That's what you're going with.
Huh. Well, good luck with that.
What is the difference NOW between, say, last year?
Government could not just invent shit before Trump?
"The government could make stuff up about you". They ALWAYS could. This is not new.
How do we know they are foreign aliens?
They're usually not too good about hiding it.
They all look alike. And they smell of shitholes. Takes 10 generations of citizenship and eating at McDonald's for that to disappear.
Enough about your family.
Your legally wrong, ugly, hateful, fascist, and un-American position is why we are in this problem in the first place.
Loss of rights for anyone means loss of rights for all. You would be singing a different tune if you were one of those being deported, with the ICE agents not believing that you are a citizen.
Do you just say retarded shit you hope is true? Even after it is pointed out it isnt?
He just moves on to latest lefty talking point, and forgets what he already posted.
Loss of rights for anyone means loss of rights for all.
A prisoner convicted of a crime loses a lot of his rights. So does an infantryman in the United States military.
Somehow, my own rights stay just fine.
Don't be an idiot, Molly. If you can help it. (If you can't, I'm sorry - in which case, you should probably stop posting because it won't be good for your long-term mental health, what with constantly being called an idiot and having your idiocy illustrated. That's.... that's gotta be demoralizing after awhile.)
"Loss of rights for anyone means loss of rights for all."
People had to take a vaccine that, at best, did not work to keep their job. Had their free practice of religion openly violated. People had to die alone. Kids were forced to not spend any time socializing (the one remotely arguable benefit of public schools) with other kids. Businesses died.
Not one fucking iota of due process happened.
You did not care. At all. So, fuck you.
He fag, do you not understand that on every level, You are the fascist? Fascism being gone of the three bastardized children of Marx.
Now fuck off Tony.
Without the right to petition a court and argue they are citizens, there is no way to know if the people being removed are in fact foreign nationals.
Nonsense.
It's like you knuckledraggers think NOBODY is checking this at any stage whatsoever during ANY of this. If that were the case - even slightly - wouldn't you think a few ACTUAL Americans would have wound up down there by accident?
But have there? NO. Not even a single one.
At the end of the day, this is nothing more than gussied-up concern trolling. Knock it off.
It's like they think the government NOW can suddenly decide to fuck with people.
All of the leftist filth here don’t give a shit about anyone’s rights. All they care about is preventing illegals from being deported. Period. Because the illegals will be conditioned to vote democrat. Allowing them to flip more congressional districts and states to the democrat party.
Except we only have the word of some anti-immigrant zealots that they are illegal at all. And they report to a president who doesn’t give a sh’t about the law. The court had to act to preserve what is left of the rule of law in this country.
Has even a single one of them turned out to NOT be an illegal?
Even just one?
Can you name just a single one?
You’re lying propagandist cunt.
A quick reminder to every single one of you.
If you are content to ignore the rule of law, and are willing to deny **anyone** due process thereof - citizen or otherwise - then you are NOT a libertarian. You are an authoritarian who finds libertarian rhetoric to be a convenient stalking horse.
If you argue that the Supreme Court - a co-equal branch of government - has no standing to check the power of the executive, you are not a libertarian.
When you deny due process to **anyone**, then you have cases like Abrego - who followed the law, and was here legally, and deported anyway.
The mind bending level of hypocrisy required for any "libertarian" to tolerate, or even applaud, that cannot be exaggerated.
then you have cases like Abrego - who followed the law, and was here legally, and deported anyway.
In what way was he here legally? His asylum was rejected, twice. He had a removal order. The only stipulation was that he had an order of protection against being deported specifically to El Salvador, which was violated. The removal from the US was lawful. The destination was not.
He was never here legally. Stop lying.
So reason is just fine with SCOTUS telling inferior Courts what their lanes are, having the inferior Courts violate the lanes, the. Have SCOTUS upend over a century of precedence with a midnight ruling?
hey! it was unusual ... and late-night ... cut Root some slack I'm sure Roberts confused the ever living fuck out of everyone ... except Roberts' new side piece she's on board
having the inferior Courts violate the lanes
This is how you can tell Jesse only reads what his right-wing masters tell him to read.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/supreme-court-temporarily-blocks-new-deportations-under-alien-enemies-act/
So when Judge Hendrix in the Northern District of Texas refused to block the deportations, the lawyers went to Boasberg to try to stop it. You know, Jesse's favorite whipping boy. And what did Boasberg do?
Oh, he did what he was supposed to do .
Your lies, sophistry, and links are how we can’t tell MAPedo Jeffy only reads what his left wing masters tell him to.
Yes, Because Trump was about to illegally ship out another batch of detainees.
Twice now with no cite. Which reddit did you get this from lol.
Illegally? Prove it faggot.
Just get rid of SCOTUS already. All they do is tell people in power that they can't do things.
At least Biden recognized the constitution.
Except, of course, when it didn't suit him, like entering the Paris climate treaty and forgiving student loans.
Really? He thought he was Prez of NATO! How could he recognize the difference between the Constitution and Das Kapital.
He certainly did.
He wiped his ass with it frequently enough.
Biden openly bragged about defying the SCOTUS you dumb cunt.
You get more retarded by the day.
Remember when you for years defended 20 years for J6 before SCOTUS smacked down these very same inferior courts? And then the Biden DoJ and judges refused to reduce sentences for those convicted on misapplication of the law.
So many principles for you sarc.
The fact that Gorsuch went this way tells it all. No doubt, the admin was going to do more, and Gorsuch is a Vulcan, like judges should be.
The problem is the scale in all "justice" departments is LEFT, legislating from the bench with squinty interpretations that suit their interest in justice, not the law, and certainly not the Constitution. Gorsuch is the last rock of Gibraltar.
I would like to think that Gorsuch has a reasonable explanation for this but protecting the institution is a powerful force. I hope I'm wrong but I'm not sure he can accept that there are limits to the power of the Courts. He's made some pretty wacky decisions in the past. Looks like the court was quiet today but we shall see. Or maybe just wait for midnight.
Alito and Thomas are totally corrupt.
We know you are what what are they?
It would be prudent for both of them to resign while Trump has a Senate majority so he can replace them. Thomas is getting on and Alito doesn't like the gig any more.
You mean the only ones who aren’t.
And why aren’t you and a Misek off at your next nazi rally?
Question: let’s stipulate that at least 7 Justices don’t trust the Trump Administration. Is there a legal theory that allows the Justices to ignore the defined rules of civil procedure (per Alito, this is precisely what the majority did)?
Is this analogous to an umpire, suspecting a pitcher was using steroids, deciding to a call a pitch right down the middle a ball instead of a strike because the umpire didn’t trust the pitcher?
The legal theory is ORANGE MAN BAD. It has been a successful legal argument for like eight years and will be referenced in law schools for the next century.
Same reason people get bail, pre-trial jail, or other restrictions prior to trial. Because the judges do not trust them. Normally the government is trusted to follow court orders, but Trump has not been, so it is reasonable for the courts to put such strong emergency orders in place.
And the reason your favorite inferior court judges keep getting overturned or violating laws such as not requiring bonds prior to issue of a TRO?
Tony doesn't even know what any of that means.
The issue has to do with what “rights” foreign illegals in our country actually are entitled to, people who do not belong here, less visas, or with a history of criminal activity. The basic screen is legality. The secondary screen is documented criminal record as in a rap sheet in country of origin or in our country, the third is association with organizations of criminal intent and record. Any one should qualify for immediate deportation. "Due Process” can constitute violation of any of the above, As a citizen, my belief is the proof that these people can exist here has to be in their court-not ours—the Government not withstanding.
The US stripped citizenship from, and deported to Israel, a Ukrainian, who had led a blameless life in the US for decades, although he had no criminal record in any country.
But they thought he was a sadistic concentration camp guard.
But after a trial, Demjanjuk went free. America had to take him back.
Then we deported him. Again.
Well how it works in the US is that we have laws that are on the books and that are adjudicated by a judiciary (which even so is more a kangaroo court of the executive branch)
Improper entry is a crime but that is required to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Unlawful presence involves civil penalties - the main of which is deportation or removal which involves its own due process.
And BTW - if Trump really wanted to streamline the process for deportation, then that involves reforming that law - not invoking a 200 year old law never used outside a declared war.
If he really wanted to uncover illegals who are being assisted to remain unlawfully present, then he would create - and prosecute - cases against employers and landlords. Those could also get serious fines and penalties - from precisely the people who donate to pols and ensure we have a broken migration system
But hey - easier to blame the brown skin
https://babylonbee.com/news/people-who-bypassed-legal-process-in-migrating-to-usa-demand-due-process-before-being-kicked-out
No, it is for OUR benefit. So that we know that only the correct people are deported, and not the ones who are legally permitted to be here.
Why are you fighting so hard against this? Your team would gain more credibility if you could show that you had a reliable process in place to only kick out the proper people. But you don't have that and you are fighting against it. You are just ASKING for a citizen to be "accidentally" deported.
What do you think will happen with your team's popularity if/when a citizen is 'accidentally' sent to CECOT, the courts ask for him back, and Bukele says no?
Your absurd fantasies are of no concern to me.
Yes we know. The leopards would never eat your face...
His new fantasy is rmac fucking his sister. Jeff is a sick fuck.
Did he actually say something like that? And I’m assuming rmac’s sister is a small child, given MAPedo Jeffy’s child rape fetish.
We have extradition agreement with El Salvador, so if our citizen was accidentally deported there, we can arrange for his return. That's what embassies are for. If we do nothing, than Bukele has every right to deport him back to us. Because he's not THEIR citizen.
Do you see how the SC stepped out of judicial norms in ordering Trump to have Garcia returned? They're asking the president to obtain a citizen of a sovereign nation, urging to argue against the president who's unwilling to do so. He's not ours, he was never ours. If Russia accidentally sent back Snowden during the Obama years, we didn't have to send him back to Russia in deference to their due process. Russia never had any inherent right to grant asylum to one our fugitives.
When the babylon bee and notthebee can almost share the exact same content you know we're in clown world
Trump is kicking people out who DID follow legal process.
You say a lot of really unsupported, moronic things.
I suggest Alito had another reason. He is on a campaign to reduce inalienable rights and Due Process is clearly a inalienable right to liberty. Rights, in Alito's mind, increase the size of the federal government and thus interfere with the goal to shrink tot he size that it can be drowned in a bath tub. That is the underlying thought in Dobbs, i.e. women totally lack the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. Rather they only have the rights which a state's voter decides that they have.
Ten to one, he votes to cut off the right of district courts to issue injunctions on fundamental constitutional questions so injunctions of federal constitutional rights must be filed in each district. If Trump should suspend the writ of habeas corpus in the Ninth Circuit and it enjoins him, the suspension will be valid in all other districts while thousands of Trump's enemies are swept up and incarcerated.
District courts have never and still do not have the right to issue national injunctions.
They can, literally, only issue verdicts dealing with the people in their courtroom alone.
Find ANY legal justification for district judges issuing unilateral universal injunctions. There is not one.
"Alito and Thomas are now the only members of the Court who are still willing to trust the Trump administration to faithfully abide by court orders"
Which means that seven justices may have finally realized that the Trump Administration is completely lawless. The question is, will they do anything about it.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
This is impossible! I was told, repeatedly by all of the idiot leftist that post here, that the three justices Trump “installed” would just be total lackeys who were so loyal they would light the constitution on fire in the middle of the court.
It's become a due process trap whereby the law was ignored to bring them in but has to be scrupulously followed to get them out. These sorts of procedural antics have been used against the West for decades upon decades and partially responsible for some of the rot in the West. The Congress needs to change and/or streamline the law else the next Dem admin will do the same shit. Let millions in unlawfully then scream "due process" when trying to remove them.
Remember all the way back to the months before the election? Biden got a bipartisan bill dealing with immigration and the border almost through the house and what happened? Oh ya. Daddy Trump told the GOP to kill it. Because Trump was running on a platform of chaos (and racism) at the border that only he could fix.
So for political election reasons, the bi-partisan bill didn't pass. Any GOP whining about that situation now can f right off. They followed their pied piper. They can live with the results of their decision.
"...Because Trump was running on a platform of chaos (and racism) at the border that only he could fix..."
You could seek treatment for your TDS, steaming pile of lying shit, but you'd have to have a room temp I.Q. and you don't qualify.
Shut the fuck up Sevo. The only one with TDS is you. I’ve been following your comments on here for years and you NEVER criticize him. You have a deranged obsession with defending everything he does. TDS addled steaming lying piece of shit
That bill would have left 5000 entries a day.
Trump has it down to about .1% of that.
Fuck you and your idiocy.
But it was a "bipartisan border bill"! He said the magic word "bipartisan."
Great... so what you are telling me is that the 'emergency' declared at the border is over and it can be cancelled. Trump is going to cancel the emergency when?
Why is it that as with most authoritarian leaders... declaring an emergency (whether it objectively exists or not) is always so easy. Removing an emergency once its declared?? *crickets*
Trump has declared more emergencies than most. I see it for what it is. What do you see?
That bill would have allowed 5000 illegal aliens ( 1.825 million per year)to enter the USA before the border restrictions went into effect and even then the border restrictions could be waived by the DHS Secretary on little more than a whim. It was nothing more than a fig leaf for the Democrats to claim they were doing something when nothing would be done.
Oh and to prove the bill was not necessary to bring the border under control since Trump resumed office illegal border crossings have dropped 90%. Biden could easily have brought the border under control if he wanted to and did take some steps to slow things down when it became obvious that illegal immigration was hurting his re-election. All it really took was a presidential administration that was serious about controlling the border.
A bipartisan deal that would have ALLOWED the DHS to act if certain threshold was met, and would have sunset in a few years.
Illegal crossings at the borders have declined by more than 90%. Enforcing the law, rather settling with a weak half measure turned out to be right after all.
I remember that. The bill in question was going to entrench in law the neglect Pretendent Biden had shown to the border -- and would have ensured a non-stop flow of illegal immigration.
When President Trump took office again, he just reversed Pretendent Biden's lawless decrees, and illegal immigration shriveled almost overnight. It's as if enforcing current law was enough to address illegal immigration!
Here's a pro tip: gaslighting only works when the victim can see the truth -- and in this case, the truth has been laid bare.
(and racism)
There it is! Thanks DEI hire! ps, here's your pink slip.
Scalia said aliens are entitled to due process rights.
Illegal immigrants deserve the same rights as pedophile rapists who get due process. You nativist weirdos put way too much stock into citizenship status when the 5th Amendment never even mentions it. And you nativists also grossly exaggerate the “crime” of unlawfully entering the country.
No, they do not.
Trump should simply ignore the courts and keep sending them.
Remind the courts how little power they actually have.
Ok fascist
We never had to convict in a court of law to deport anyone. No country allows illegals to be deported only after a conviction.
Due process means applicable legal protocols and rights are observed. It's does not guarantee you a jury trial. I have no "right" to sue a restaurant for not giving me food when I refused to pay.
I can be evicted out of a federal building for violating its rules without a single court getting involved. Over 70% of deportees under Obama didn't get a single hearing. If you got caught near the border, you get processed and bussed out pretty fast. If you snuck in and stayed for 10 years, you become "Maryland Man" and must be afforded protections. Yes, it doesn't make sense.
You're right, it wouldn't make sense to someone with such a failed understanding of due process. People here illegally are entitled to notice of their deportation as well as a hearing before they get removed. That is part of due process as well.
Also, Abrego Garcia was here *legally* because a judge ordered a withholding order on his deportation. In order for him to be deported, that order has to be lifted by a judge after the state makes a convincing argument he will no longer fear for his life in El Salvador.
That's just how the law works, dude.
Some morning, soon, I expect to wake up to the news that millions of CCP, Russian, and Iranian troops are at our border, demanding "sanctuary," and all the rights/privileges that go with it.
And that the Supreme Court insisted they be allowed in.
And we displaced our own troops to provide lodging and an array of welfare benefits to them while living on our bases.
The End
"Alito and Thomas May Trust Trump To Follow a Court Order, but Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett Seemingly Do Not."
Yet, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett trusted Biden when it came to student loans.
Weird, huh?
Excellent point. Perhaps even more important, though, is that it is not up to the Supreme Court to make decisions on "trust," only LAW.
Exercising trust is in the domain of the legislative branch, when they write laws to curb behaviors, and the executive branch to enforce those laws, once signed into law by the president.
You lost me at, "That prompted emergency filings by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), which is representing some of the Venezuelan nationals facing AEA deportation."
Since the ICE literally processes (by law) who gets a visa, who's visa is denied and etc... The only 'due process' needed in terms of justice is whether subject has a citizenship claim.
There is NO HUMAN RIGHT for Venezuelan nationals to be here. If the ICE determines (by law) said subject is illegal or their invite is denied what 'due process' beyond that is justified?
This is just a stall tactic by that 1st phrase.
"Your honor, my client can't be deported because Venezuela isn't at war with us"
"But the SC says the president can still use the alien enemy act to deport"
The whole point of the alien enemies act is expedited deportation of enemy NONCITIZENS. If the court found that Trump's use AEA was unconstitutional, they could have made that decision. They didn't. They agreed Trump's view that Venezuelan gangs can be seen as participating in "predatory incursion" that's not part of a war.
So what is "due process in this context" as ordered by courts? Due process for enemies of the state as declared by the president? What, suing for being fed non halal meal the day before deportation in violation of their faith?
The court could have specified "all those deported must be verified as noncitizens" because immigration status is the only viable option left to illegal alien invaders. But they didn't. So again, we see the court playing by its own rules, granting exceptions and special privileges. Our court ordered that an illegal found to be gang member not to be deported back to his OWN COUNTRY. It didn't lift that stay when a cop busted him transporting 19 people his car. A judge randomly ordered Trump not to deport Kahlil, and ordered him to justify the reason. Why him, but not for thousands of others who were deported for green card violation?
Again, these are illegal aliens. Whether they're in a gang or broke any law should be irrelevant. They had no right to be here. You can support legislation that grants them path to citizenship or temp stay. But a court can't just make up standards in the interest of cause celebre. If they didn't force Obama to grant due process to the thousands of people he kicked out without a hearing, they cannot now act outraged over Trump "disobeying" their nonsensical orders, like one that would have him extract a citizen of another country. Absurd.
"The most plausible answer may be that Alito and Thomas are now the only members of the Court who are still willing to trust the Trump administration to faithfully abide by court orders in an AEA case, especially when the clock is ticking."
No, forget the "most plausible answer may be" wishy washy talk. Here is the real answer: Aliot and Thomas accept Donald Trump as their lord and master and obey his will in any and all matters whatsover. That is the answer. Sound off like you've got a pair, Damon.
Alito and Thomas don't believe Trump will abide by court orders. They simple don't care because they are partisan hacks with massive hards ons for executive power as long as it's wielded in service of their hateful ideology.