Trade War With China
Plus: Theories to explain Trump's behavior, the radium girls, university investigations, and more...

We're doing a trade war: It's just not quite as extensive as previously feared.
President Donald Trump announced yesterday, after more market bloodbath, that he would pause the implementation of his reciprocal tariffs (the higher-level ones) for 90 days, but that the 10 percent universal tariffs would remain in place and that tariffs on Chinese products would be raised to 125 percent. Stocks rallied. Goldman Sachs rescinded its recession prediction, which had put "the probability of a downturn at 65% in the next 12 months" per Bloomberg. (Now it's been adjusted to 45 percent.)
"I thought that people were jumping a little bit out of line," Trump said Wednesday. "They were getting yippy—you know, they were getting a little bit yippy, a little bit afraid."
Just to recap following Bessent's briefing to reporters here at the White House:
- Tariffs on China increased to 125%
- 90 day pause on reciprocal tariffs amid negotiations
- Tariff level brought down to a universal 10%
- Canada and Mexico are part of the 10%
- Pause won't impact…— Shelby Talcott (@ShelbyTalcott) April 9, 2025
In other words, we've been anchored. It's a classic negotiation tactic. Now, 10 percent universal tariffs—and massive tariffs that cripple trade with China—don't feel so bad, do they? We've been primed to believe the worse alternative would become reality.
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This reality is still a bad one, though. And nobody really knows what changed his mind: The Wall Street Journal reports that Trump watched an interview with JPMorganChase CEO Jamie Dimon on Fox Business, in which Dimon said a recession would be a "likely outcome" of the tariffs. "I'm taking a calm view, but it could get worse," added Dimon. There's some thought, given the timing here, that this influenced the president, who later said of Dimon: "He's very smart, and very genius financially, did a fantastic job at the bank. And he knows that everybody knows that."
Nobody really knows for sure. Elon Musk had been privately sounding the alarm. Bill Ackman had taken his concerns public. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent surely played a big role (and publicly turned around and claimed "This was [Trump's] strategy all along").
There are a few takes you could conceivably have, maybe even multiple at once. One is that there's far too much power vested in the executive; that the power to tax has been delegated to Congress, that tariffs are taxes, and that the president attempting to unilaterally impose such taxes—and transform our economy overnight—is a constitutional breach.
Related is the idea that Republicans will at some point be punished for this:
History says the GOP should be terrified of the electorate now:
McKinley tariff 1890: The House flipped midterms from R +7 to D +147. In 1892, D secured unified control of gov for first time in 34 years.
Smoot-Hawley 1930: In midterms, D gain of 52. In 1932, D unified control. pic.twitter.com/bYKF7vVAIM
— Johan Norberg (@johanknorberg) April 8, 2025
Another is that China is our adversary, and that we're far too dependent on China for everything from appliances to machinery to penicillin. These tariffs will provide a clear incentive for domestic manufacturers to ramp up their production of goods we previously relied on China to supply; a transition that was both inevitable and sorely needed.
Another is that, since China is our adversary, a trade war (or a cold war) is more likely to lead to a hot one; our economic interdependence lowered the likelihood of actual conflict on both sides. We extricate ourselves at our own peril.
Yet another is that the economic whiplash hurts American businesses and consumers the most. People caught in the crosshairs of Trump's schizophrenic trade policy—who don't know whether the 90-day pause is a real one or whether they should make business decisions predicated on it—stand to lose the most. The budgets of normal middle-class and poor Americans who've grown reliant on cheap Chinese goods will still suffer. Markets have reacted positively to the initial pull-back, sure, but they don't tend to love this type of volatility. Trump hasn't gone about this in a way that's measured, calculated, strategic; he's shooting from the hip.
Still another is that Trump won. He got what he wanted. He imposed universal (and, frankly, ridiculous) tariffs and China was the one that escalated and he hit back while other countries mostly capitulated (with the European Union notably going for 20 percent retaliatory tariffs, which may now change), coming to the negotiating table. Now, China will be severely hurt by this; Trump imposed the pain that he desired.
It's not clear what happens now, other than a lot of things getting much more expensive. Bessent has not ruled out delisting Chinese stocks from U.S. exchanges and has started publicly saying that any U.S. allies choosing to align with China on trade would be "cutting your own throat." Even if you think decoupling is the right move, it will be short-term painful: Companies seeking to restore their manufacturing have already started asking the administration for tariff exemptions in order to be able to import machinery needed for them to build out manufacturing capacity domestically. (It's unclear whether the administration will grant them such waivers.) "The two economies with a combined GDP of $46 trillion [are] locked in a game of chicken," notes Bloomberg. "At stake is almost $700 billion in two-way annual goods trade, China's estimated $1.4 trillion of portfolio investments in the US, and less obvious but no less significant variables such as people-to-people links forged over decades at businesses and universities and public opinion that's souring on both sides."
Scenes from New York:
all i'm saying is that if i were on the trading floor of the nyse i'd definitely be pulling the most dramatic "it's over" poses i could in the hopes of making it into the papers pic.twitter.com/PUVWOwnui4
— corvid friend (@ahabstanaccount) April 7, 2025
QUICK HITS
- Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) joined us to talk about why he's trying to put a stop to Trump's tariffs:
- The takes have been predictably bad in the wake of all this turmoil:
They did everything they could to create a panic. They predicted a Black Monday that never came. They became jubilant over an intraday correction on Tuesday. They were rooting for Trump to fail even if it meant the market and economy crashed. Fortunately their hopes have been… https://t.co/7V6uLHWoMz
— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 9, 2025
(Who is the they that wanted the market crashed?)
- "House Republican leaders canceled a vote on the Senate's budget resolution Wednesday night, as Speaker Mike Johnson came to terms with what had been clear for many hours: Too many Republicans would vote in opposition and the measure was bound to fail," reports Politico. "The outcome is a brutal blow for House GOP leaders and President Donald Trump, who have spent days trying to wrangle the votes for the fiscal blueprint."
- "President Donald Trump on Wednesday paused for 90 days many tariffs but is not halting 25% tariffs on automotive imports and looming tariffs on auto parts, drawing criticism from Michigan business and auto groups," reports Reuters.
- "The guests at White Lotus resorts arrive and leave by boat, a fact I've come to believe has some kind of mythological significance," writes Sophie Gilbert at The Atlantic. "These guests are never simply going on vacation. Rather, they're entering some kind of magical-realist hinterland where they're tormented by different iterations of fate, pride, vanity, and greed, a ritualistic evisceration accompanied by pool drinks and a spectacular breakfast buffet."
- A teacher in Florida lost her job over calling a student by a preferred name, in violation of new laws that at aim to restore parental rights after schools have become a front in the gender culture wars. Reporting from Florida Today notes that this does look like a case where the child was gender-questioning, and the teacher chose to affirm that in the classroom. I'm sorry if this makes me a bad libertarian, but I have no problem with the firing or the law. It seems important for parental rights to trump everything else at play here, and the parent is the one who gets to make decisions for their child, not the teacher/ideologue.
- "Tuesday, the Trump administration froze over $1 billion of Cornell's federal funding and $790 million of Northwestern's, citing civil rights investigations. The campaign against elite universities continues, fueled by accusations of antisemitism, contempt for the DEI [diversity, equity, and inclusion] industrial complex, and a broader cultural vendetta. Directionally, this is good—universities are bloated credential mills, non-STEM research is largely farcical, and the ballooning student debt crisis is untenable. But if you're going to kneecap research institutions, throwing the baby out with the bathwater, you can't just walk away," writes G.B. Rango for Pirate Wires. "Sure, burn down the universities, but build something better in their ashes."
- Do you know about the radium girls?
The most famous example of the radiation-craze gone wrong was the radium girls.
From 1917 to 1926 clock factories hired around 4,000 people to paint the dials of watches with radium paint, so they would glow in the dark.
A lot of them were women. pic.twitter.com/UZwhH3rTNn
— isabelle ???? (@isabelleboemeke) April 8, 2025
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It's just not quite as extensive as previously feared.
Aw, darn.
You know who else did something not as extensive as originally feared?
Sarcasmic's ex-wife.
I’m convinced he was never married, nor had any children. Here are just drunken delusions.
He was definitely married, you can't fake that bitterness, resentment and raw hatred he fosters for her. As for his kid, she's probably real but not actually his.
She did key the neighbors car…
Elon?
The stock market is irrelevant compared to the bond and currency markets. Esp a one day PR bounce. Those indicate much bigger problems ahead. A financial crisis and a hedge fund bailout and asset bubbles everywhere will explode.. Learning experience ahead
I'm confused, a one-day drop signifies bad policy choices, a one-day bounce means need to wait and see long term. Got it.
I hope we have a third market lined up just in case neither a stock market crash nor a bond market crash pans out.
Commodities.
There was no 'flight to safety' in the bond market during the stock market rout - and a continued problem in the bond market during the short stock relief market rally yesterday. That is what tells you the stock market is the head fake. Which is why the stock market has, today, lost most of its gains from yesterday.
Stocks rallied.
THE ONLY METRIC THAT MATTERS.
Only when it can be used to buttress your preferred narratives.
If there's anything the economists and libertarians have taught us over the last 50 years, it's that bad ideas with economic benefits are still bad ideas.
Which libertarians now?
Do you think the prior asymmetrical trade status is a good idea? Do you think an inflationary policy required by decades of trade deficits is a good idea?
"Do you think..."
Stop right there.
“ Do you think the prior asymmetrical trade status is a good idea?”
Given the fact that it created the most prosperous and wealthy nation in the world? Yes.
At the cost of lost jobs and domestic production. You left that part out.
In other words, we've been anchored. It's a classic negotiation tactic.
Who knew he was using any of this as a negotiating tool?
It’s not like he wrote a book about it or anything.
" I read your book damn it! I read your book!"
-Gen Patton on beating trommel in tank warfare
"where the hell did this art of the deal come from?"
-every retarded illiterate leftist
But business deals are grubby and below the effete!
Also a total mystery to socialists and dedicated government employees.
"I think most of these tariffs are meant, at a high level, as cudgels to get other countries to reduce or eliminate their anti-American or generally protective tariffs or otherwise implement US policies (e.g., push Mexico to help prevent illegal border crossings). I also think Trump sees low-key tariffs eventually as a revenue stream."
Nobody can keep two ideas in their head at the same time!
Tariffs are going to be zero with nations that agree to zero tariffs, exist across the board to collect revenue, and also protect domestic businesses by making things so expensive that nobody buys them and pays the tariff.
All at the same time.
Said twice. Retarded twice.
Did you see this?
https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-consumer-prices-unexpectedly-fall-march-2025-04-10/
Looks like all the hand wringing and pants shitting was for nothing.
Anyword on how goes the negotiation with the cartels on tariffs on fentanyl?
I liked how someone said something like "We hope they just drop fentanyl and go back to just cocaine, marijuana, and a little bit of heroin."
Aka a weekend with Hunter.
Hey Liz did you know China has already released a bio weapon?
Now, now, the COVID amnesty is in full effect as far as the leftists that pushed the disasterous reaction are concerned.
Same for the rightest who also pushed this disastrous reaction.
Donald Trump, all R Senators not named Thune, Romney, Paul or Lee and 189 of 197 House Republicans.
MOoOoooom, he's beating the dead horse again.
Yeah I'm not for amnesty for those who push covid policy on us; regardless of their party affiliation.
OK, sarcasmic, but unless you're a unicorn levitating above everyone else the issue more along the lines of "Did you send your employees home for two weeks or not and, if yes, how many weeks? When they came back was it with or without masks?"
Because, sure as shit, you're absolutely right that Trump was being an authoritarian who wanted to "illegally" close the border with China before COVID was rampant here.
Went into the office everyday, no masks in building required. Construction sites were the GCs to control though.
And I was not alluding to Trump shutting down the border. I was alluding to his negioated, championed and signed Cares Act. The one that sent trillions to the states so they could pay for the lockdowns.
I was alluding to his negioated, championed and signed Cares Act.
You mean the bill that was written by Democrats and backed by a veto-proof majority? We've been over this. It wasn't his fault because Pelosi was holding a gun to his head. Where have you been?
Never heard Mad make that argument. I'll leave it to him to answer for himself instead of you inserting your embellished Jessie take into this.
I was alluding to his negioated, championed and signed Cares Act
Yeah, that's the one. That's the dead horse. At this point, I'm no longer even convinced it was a horse.
Well, thank you all very much. This is a very important day. I’ll sign the single-biggest economic relief package in American history and, I must say, or any other package, by the way. It’s twice as large as any relief ever signed. It’s $2.2 billion, but it actually goes up to 6.2 — potentially — billion dollars — trillion dollars. So you’re talking about 6.2 trillion-dollar bill. Nothing like that. And this will deliver urgently needed relief to our nation’s families, workers, and businesses. And that’s what this is all about.
- Donald Trump
Well your a fucking moron, than. Can't fix stupid.
Yes, I know you're fixated on this. I've addressed it several times. Yes, during an emergency, Trump did the politically expedient thing. Duh.
However, it's long past time to shut the fuck up about it. You're* a fucking moron, then*. Don't worry, I'm not trying to fix you.
Went into the office everyday, no masks in building required. Construction sites were the GCs to control though.
And you fired the hell out of the GCs that shut down sites and replaced them with contractors and laborers who were there to get the job done, right?
Because "It was the GCs!" and "We kept everyone on, figured out time off, and just juggled the books." as well as the rest of the context sounds like a very convenient, almost Trumpian deflection from someone who doesn't staff across the borders of two or more states.
So tell me again how the price on raw materials that you've single-sourced from China is what keeps your company in business.
Hey, do you want 90% of Democrats to panic again, and lock themselves (and us) up?
I was with you until the parenthetical.
There are a few takes you could conceivably have, maybe even multiple at once.
Only the ones that make Trump the villain will be accepted.
"I thought that people were jumping a little bit out of line," Trump said Wednesday. "They were getting yippy—you know, they were getting a little bit yippy, a little bit afraid."
Well, yes, dipshit. You pull shenanigans with trillions of dollars worth of business transactions, and people get anxious. This is one of the many instances where "mercurial asshole" isn't an ideal leadership trait.
Yeah, Joe was so much better.
You mean "Joe's interns were so much better."
Obama still had a pen and a phone.
They can both do stupid stuff. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
Stop, you’ll hurt their “brains.”
The status quo is perfect and free is my favorite form of stupidity.
Joe was worse. That doesn't mean we should give Don a pass when he does something foolish. We should debate these things. It's not as if unity in the Reason comment section is critical for the success (or failure) of any of Trump's plans.
Should we determine if something is foolish if the ultimate outcome is reduced tariffs overall? Or prejudge the outcome and not wait for the results?
What was the strategy used prior? Was it working? Is the status quo preferred to change?
Cuz the 2024 status quo was on the Democratic-WEF global plan timeline, silly.
I am properly shamed into not buying the propaganda of a perfect and free market in 2024.
Actually shocked reason didn't shut down with the market being so perfect.
Show me one person who claimed that the market in 2024 was a perfect (or even pretty good) free market.
Whenever you attack any action that attempts to drive a change as anti free market, what is the actual claim.
And I'm not accusing you of doing this, but CATO, Reason, and others largely have.
The old system of ignore what others are doing was not a system open to change.
I'm pretty sure Bushpig 2 (SPB2) was constantly crowing about how great the economy was the entire Biden administration.
But I'm also pretty sure you weren't asking for an example like him, who's an idiot, liar, and horrible person, so your point stands.
Should we determine if something is foolish if the ultimate outcome is reduced tariffs overall?
Great topic for discussion. We should wait for the results to assess whether or not it's foolish.
However, this is a republic and if we see something that sure looks extremely foolish, we can and should protest and say,"Stop. This is stupid." This is how we dealt with student loan payments and the ministry of truth. We called it for what it was and (IMHO) avoided big mistakes.
This is how we dealt with student loan payments and the ministry of truth.
Those were not mistakes. They were violations against the people of the United States. One was theft and the other was censorship.
Those were not mistakes. They were violations against the people of the United States.
Same with tariffs.
TBF, at least tariffs are laid out in the constitution…
Yeah, I was thinking from an imposed by the executive perspective, but you I see your point.
I see where you’re coming from too.
I'm not going to say it's definitely going to fail. I'm still going to say what I think, though. That doesn't mean I don't still hope it all works out OK.
It is possible that the status quo of 2024 sucked and what Trump wants to do will also suck. I was glad Trump won because I think we did need some big changes. That doesn't mean that any big change is good. Using tariffs as a negotiating tool with the goal of low or no tariffs all around could work, and in my view has the right end goal. But it's still not clear that that is the end goal.
Considering they ignored 0/0 tariff offers up to this point, but now paused some tariffs for negotiation, it seems likely that they are retconning their goal to reducing trade barriers due to the great outcry against this idiocy. This is great news, but looking at what's going on with autos, steel and aluminum suggests that's not the entirety of their goal.
But even if the goal is to reduce tariffs, we have to do a risk analysis. What will we lose in a trade war and what are we likely to gain? Are they setting an impossibly high standard for offers they will accept to drop tariffs? Is that why they've not accepted any offers yet?
Also not implementing this is the most retarded way possible would have been nice. How can anyone guess what will be the tariff situation next week; forget about 4 years from now.
I also hope they succeed with reducing tariffs (if that is there goal) but right now I think we'll see minimal gains relative to the losses.
Biden had 4 years to earn his title of being worse. Trump's winning in the quarter-mile time though. Tariffs, Yemen, Iran, deportations without any court review, strong-arming universities, punishing lawyers and making DOGE cuts in what seems to be a blatantly vendetta/partisan way... only 3 months in.
Joe was worse and we cheered him on. Of course we will turn around and assume the worst of anything related to Don. Stop pointing out our hypocrisies! -Lefty shills
"This is one of the many instances where "mercurial asshole" isn't an ideal leadership trait."
No.
Sorry this is happening to you Shrike, but this is one of the many instances where "mercurial asshole" IS an ideal leadership trait.
The bullshit and theft and dickery had to end.
Shrike claimed at one point to be a banker. If not one of his usual lies he is worried about his grift like all the D.C. fed workers are.
I'm guessing he works at a daycare.
Or a Chuck E Cheese. Or maybe cares for special needs kids. And probably a little league coach and scout master on the side.
Well, he said he 'worked in finance'. Sort of assumed he empties the trash in a bank after everyone went home.
Sort of like Tony claiming to be an editor; of the "Dog Walkers Weekly" in the River Oaks gated community.
Well, yes, dipshit. You pull shenanigans with trillions of dollars worth of business transactions, and people get anxious. This is one of the many instances where "mercurial asshole" isn't an ideal leadership trait.
BOAF SIDEZ! When governors lock down entire states, close ports, and arrest people for going to Church, as long as the market doesn't crash, there's no threat to free trade, and everything is COVID's fault, but if the President imposes billions in tariffs and the market responds with trillions in movements every dollar lost is because The President is mecurial for pursuing the same anti-China, America First policy he's pursued since 2016. Not because the market overreacted.
all i'm saying is that if i were on the trading floor of the nyse i'd definitely be pulling the most dramatic "it's over" poses i could in the hopes of making it into the papers
e.e. cummings here would have a lot of competition.
Capital letters are white male colonial supremacy.
That's why I always capitalize 'Sarcasmic' and 'Shrike', despite their opposition to it.
Inflation lower than expected
SO SORRY THIS IS HAPPENING TO YOU, SARCASMIC. Thoughts and prayers.
“Oh, are we believing government statistics now”?
Tariffs got reduced. Which means from sarc/stg logic we are now seeing deflation.
WSJ: Consumer prices declined month-over-month in March for the first time in nearly five years.
It's been amazing watching the cognitive dissonance going on.
Last week there was a set of tariffs. They get raised. Market "craters" (hits 2024 levels).
75 countries come to negotiations table. Globalists outrage.
Tariffs get dropped to 10%, higher than last week. Market recovers plus some. Everyone cheers higher tariffs than last week. Countries continue to negotiate lower reciprocal tariffs. Globalists still outraged the strategy may work.
Media pivots to saying it was due to the bind Market. Democrats scream insider trading. Globalists pivot to worrying about China.
It is amazing all the sides who pretended to be free market complain we may end all of this at a more globally free market with lower average tariffs, excluding the worst free market actor in China.
What a wild an hilarious week.
Oh. And don't forget all the cries about penguins.
It's been amazing watching the cognitive dissonance going on.
You put your phone in selfie mode?
Suck it up and take the L. Everything you were fearing about didn't happen. You can't even provide an argument.
In the immortal words of Winston Wolf, "Well, let's not start sucking each other's dicks just yet."
The one fact I know is the market prior to last week was not free and was not ideal.
I'm willing to try to fix it instead of lying about it being a free market. All the second and third order costs were causing a much declined society. Increased welfare, increased dependency on credit, constant market disruptions through asymmetrical trade, offshoring work while importing workers, ever growing debt largely driven from welfare and interest.
The shit was failing.
Sometimes you have to cut into the patient to get to the cancer.
Tariffs get dropped to 10%, higher than last week. Market recovers plus some. Everyone cheers higher tariffs than last week. Countries continue to negotiate lower reciprocal tariffs. Globalists still outraged the strategy may work.
And, again, if you're over the age of about 10, this is within living memory of Governors literally shutting down ports, hospitals, and grocery stores for 'two weeks' and, rather than everyone screeching about "MUH FREE TRAYED!" and "MUH ADDED KOSTS!", everyone nodding at each other and saying "We're all in this together.", "Supply chains, amiright?", and "OK, we overreacted. But can you blame us. Give us some amnesty wouldja?"
(Who is the they that wanted the market crashed?)
The pajama class, I assume. The same group seemingly addicted to COVID pr0n.
I saw some snippet of a DEI meeting (I can't recall exactly, some school board members or something like that) yesterday. One of the people was DOUBLE-MASKED...but I think his outer mask--a rainbow mask--was just for virtue signaling his intersectionality. The inner mask was virtue signaling something else.
Probably a strap-on, inverted so that it functioned more like a pacifier.
Whenever I see someone in public with a mask he/she/it always has green hair, 80lbs overweight, and 20 face piercings.
I still see young, apparently healthy people in masks too.
For some that is because they came to like the anonymity of it.
I see mostly women, and some indeterminate genders.
A third of community college enrollments in California may be fake to get tuition money.
https://calmatters.org/education/higher-education/2025/04/financial-aid-fraud-2/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WhatMatters&utm_source=31&utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=State%20Farm%20begins%20first-of-its-kind%20insurance%20rate%20hearing%20today&utm_campaign=WhatMatters
A district court judge will be along momentarily to issue nationwide injunction to prevent basic fraud protection measure from being enacted.
California is trying to blame the attacks against the DoEd despite this going on for years.
California community colleges receive funding based on enrollment. Fakes students "enroll" to receive aid. College gets more money. Dig deeper into who the fake students are, and where that money is ending up? Who thinks those college administrators actually give a flying fuck about where "free money" from the federal government is ending up?
No, they care deeply where the money ends up (in their bursars office, and then their payroll). But they don't care where the money comes from, and how.
No, they care deeply where the money ends up (in their bursars office, and then their payroll).
Pretty much this. A bunch of make-work jobs for social justice grads that are otherwise unemployable outside of grifter NGOs, which they then use to be paid marxist political activists with taxpayer dollars.
in their bursars office, and then their payroll
I assume that is still where the money ends up. Just a little double dipping.
Ahh, following more of the China plan. Limit births while overcounting enrollment in schools.
Again, the next Norman Borlaug or Mahatma Ghandi will have to compete with a billion fake Chinese and Diverse-American propping up teacher's unions and DEI administrators in order to get a college education, but the real threat to global unrealized potential gains is the 10% marginal losses of comparative advantage between on/offshorings.
Latest I have heard is that they are down to as few as 300 million. That is probably reverse (anti China) propaganda, but I would believe less than a billion.
House passes bill restricting district court judges from issuing nationwide injunctions
Again, SO SORRY THIS IS HAPPENING TO YOU, SARCASMIC. Thoughts and prayers.
Did congress get permission from the courts to do this?
Did courts get permission from the deep state?
We’ll find out soon enough.
What time is it in Brussels and Davos?
Sad. I really liked all the "District judge rules Trump has to send the stranded astronauts back to space." memes.
Dont worry. Some inferior court judge would issue a TRO against this law.
Judges issued six nationwide injunctions during President George W. Bush’s administration, according to an analysis published in the Harvard Law Review. The number doubled to 12 during the Obama administration before skyrocketing to 64 during Trump’s first term. ... During the Biden administration, the number of nationwide injunctions fell back to 14, a figure that has already been surpassed in a matter of weeks in the second Trump administration.
6>12>64!>14>14+ in 2 months... Democrats sure like to piss on people and tell them it's raining.
I thought the rain smelled funny.
Moved
To Canadia?
The outcome is a brutal blow for House GOP leaders and President Donald Trump, who have spent days trying to wrangle the votes for the fiscal blueprint.
Throw it in a defense omnibus or some shit.
Mmmm, pork.
" people-to-people links forged over decades at businesses and universities "
Call me paranoid or a sinophobe, but while I'm sure there are any number of legitimate and genuine personal attachments, I'm afraid I turn a jaded eye on any Chinese nationals' (even if naturalized US citizens) motives. This is based on work exposure, a long list of Chinse-related spying and industrial espionage, IP theft, things like Chinese police stations in major US cities...
At the same time, I'm pretty certain that a large number of the Chinese "spys" are wonderful people who are forced to be "spies" by threats against them and their families. CCP doesn't play games.
Yes, any Chinese national in the country with family back in China can at any time get a message through WeChat with instructions from CCP.
Any from Manchuria?
Yeah. Chinese people aren't bad people, or at least, any worse than any other people. The Chinese government though, definitely among the worst. Just ask every other country near China how they feel about China.
True Korea seems pretty buddy-buddy with Gina.
Just in the last week or so:
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/31/fbi-searches-xiaofeng-wang-homes-indiana-university-cyrptography-computer.html
Indiana University fired computer science professor XiaoFeng Wang on the same day FBI agents executed search warrants at two homes owned by Wang and his wife, his union revealed.
The university removed the online profiles of both Wang, who has researched cryptography, privacy and cybersecurity, and Nianli Ma, an IU library systems analyst.
Wang's work at the university's Luddy School of Informatics, Computing and Engineering has been funded by multiple federal government agencies.
A criminal defense lawyer who worked on the federal criminal investigation of then-President Bill Clinton was at the couple's Carmel home when FBI agents searched it.
And
US army soldiers accused of selling military secrets to buyers in China
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/07/us/us-army-soldiers-sell-military-secrets-buyers-china-hnk/index.html
Two US Army soldiers and a former soldier were arrested Thursday, accused in indictments of selling military secrets to buyers in China, according to the Department of Justice.
The two US Army active-duty soldiers were identified as Jian Zhao and Li Tian, stationed at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, in Washington state. Zhao, a battery supply sergeant was assigned to the 17th Field Artillery Brigade and Tian is a health services administrator.
The former soldier, Ruoyu Duan of Hillsboro, Oregon, served in the Army from 2013 to 2017.
"Two US Army soldiers and a former soldier were arrested Thursday, accused in indictments of selling military secrets to buyers in China"
MORE TARIFFS ON MILITARY SECRET SALES!
Look at who is the latest contributors to Tge Bulwark, scary poppins!
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/republicans-are-obsessed-with-a-censorship-lie-twitter-files-taibbi-goebbels
Here with claiming the censorship industry is fake.
Wow she is a cunt
We dodged a bullet with that one.
I wouldn't say it like that. It wasn't a dodged bullet. It was one of the few times in recent history I had faith in the American public. people hated it and fought back deliberately. Complacency would have let it happen.
Yes it is absolutely ghoulish that the MEDIA is lining up behind the notion that the massive censorship regime revealed in the Biden Whitehouse was some sort of conspiracy theory. These people are selling out their own industry for Team Blue. It is incredibly short sided.
It’s partially due to the fact that they were in on it. The censorship would quashed any contradictory information to their messaging, meaning that their message is the only valid one to get out. Information is power, folks, and they think they’re the gatekeepers of information.
to be fair, modern day journalists are mostly 2nd-3rd generation elites who wanted a career that gave lots of prestige for little work.
FYI
The 21st century definition of conspiracy: a substantially true interpretation that is at first loudly denied by Democrats and their pet media, but several months later is quietly confirmed and ignored.
And short sighted!
I C what you did there.
Not even pretending anymore.
Isn't propaganda a kind of pretending?
Sometimes it's actually sincere.
Nina Fucking Jankowicz is writing in Buttplug's favorite Neocon rag now.
This is his serendipity.
I think he renamed his favorite butt plug Nina Fucking Jankowicz.
Nina is a good pet name for a butt plug. The bad news is that the Nina is just to get you ready to take the Pinta full bore.
Oh, Santa Maria!
President Donald Trump on Wednesday paused for 90 days many tariffs but is not halting 25% tariffs on automotive imports and looming tariffs on auto parts, drawing criticism from Michigan business and auto groups...
Including the UAW?
The guests at White Lotus resorts arrive and leave by boat, a fact I've come to believe has some kind of mythological significance...
Yes, because they're all dead and this is the afterlife. Has no one ever even seen Lost?
I prefer to watch shows where the writers know what's going on
Robby Suave would like you to catch him outside.
Is the show any good? Or should I just rewatch all of Firefly again?
Just started season one. Some dark, awkward humor, pretty funny if you’re into that. Seems to have a lot of messages about overcoming personal weaknesses and interpersonal conflict, but I’m not far enough in to confirm that.
Good parody of a lot of woke shit.
Also Alexandra Daddario in a bikini in several scenes, and that Sweeny chic, although not as much.
I generally enjoyed it but I can only say it's probably not for everyone. You can't go wrong with Firefly, however. In lieu of that, do The Expanse.
Enjoyed The Expanse as well, although the main male character is an awful actor. One of those shows I was actually hoping for a spinoff when it ended. A lot of potential stories within that universe.
Yes, because they're all dead and this is the afterlife. Has no one ever even seen Lost?
Jeez, spoiler alert. I was thinking that I might watch it sometime in the next 10 years.
Technically nothing is spoiled because I have no fucking clue what that ending was supposed to tell us.
Democrats are absolutely terrified of Elon looking into Social Security.
Rep. Pramila Jayapal
@RepJayapal
Social Security is not a tech company. 73 MILLION Americans depend on those checks. The power of the people forced DOGE--the Department of Greed and Ego--to retreat from one of its many royal screw-ups.
But Musk's end goal is the same as ever in his words: "eliminate" it. Our answer: HELL NO.
Gotta wonder how many of the millions of illegals aliens with SS cards are really just strawmen for funding Democrat campaigns.
What was the recent DOGE finding that 2.5M illegal aliens got issued SS#s under Biden.
Yeap. And accessing at least medicaid and food programs. They've confirmed that. They also confirmed many registered to vote and some voted.
That can't be. I've seen numerous fact checks that say that illegal aliens are ineligible for SS# and Medicaid. Always the "bend-over-backwards" pedantry. Just because someone is "not eligible for" a program does not mean they are not accessing the program fraudulently.
https://www.factcheck.org/2024/04/posts-misrepresent-immigrants-eligibility-for-social-security-numbers-benefits/
Immigrants who are lawfully living or authorized to work in the U.S. are eligible for a Social Security number and, in some cases, Social Security benefits. But viral posts make the false claim that “illegal immigrants” can receive Social Security numbers and retirement benefits, and they confuse two programs managed by the Social Security Administration.
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-are-immigrants-getting-social-security-1918611
Immigrants living in the country illegally are not eligible for Social Security retirement benefits, but those who entered the U.S. illegally before receiving temporary permission to stay may be eligible for Supplemental Security Income benefits if they meet certain criteria. SSI benefits are distributed to people who have little or no income or resources, a disability, blindness, or attained the age of 65 or older.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-social-security-number-border-552180846074
AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Border Patrol does not give Social Security numbers to immigrants who cross the border, nor does it have the authority to, a spokesperson for the agency told The Associated Press. Immigrants living in the U.S. illegally aren’t eligible for Social Security numbers unless they meet certain criteria, experts say.
Their slight of hand is the SSN is issued after 6 months post asylum claims. They dont consider them true illegals. Despite the Biden policy of pushing for all illegals to claim asylum.
Just ignore the vast majority of asylum claims are rejected... 6 years after made.
They are stuck on the "It's not happening!" stage.
There's no way it was only 2.5 million.
We may have found the real honeypot.
What's realistically the best way to faze out social security? I doubt just ending it all at once would go down verry well. Maybe an opt-out? Individuals can forfeit all rights to social security when you retire and in exchange you can stop paying into it now?
I'd let them keep what I've paid in and will continue to let them take the employer portion if I can keep my portion and let my 401k/IRA be tax free on withdrawal. Have a mix of pre tax and post tax contributions due to current salary.
I still like the Hunger Games bounty plan, where any senior gets to keep 10% of the retirement benefits of any other senior they "retire". That should thin the herd faster.
Bring back covid.
Go tell China.
Scrap Social Security and replace it with a means-tested welfare program for the lower-income, lower-wealth elderly. Yes, end it all at once. No, that won't go over well. One way or another, people who have paid in are going to get screwed. Rip the bandage off.
1/5th of Americans depend on SS... Better send more money to Ukraine.
Why do 1/5th of Americans (we're so great that we have a massive service economy and don't make shit) depend on SS?
*screeeee* Trump's trying to take away your SS!!!! -sarjeff
It’s not possible for everyone to make a high income.
Nuh uh. Just set minimum wage at $100 per hour.
Just for fun compare the population living in poverty before Great Society welfare programs, and the percent of the population living in poverty since they started. You'll see a slight decrease at the onset, followed by basically a flat line for the last 50 years, despite pouring trillions of dollars into the pot.
E.g.,
https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/united-states/poverty-rate
Crazy how medians are always roughly in the middle. No one could have known.
Poverty is relative. Today's "poverty" is not your grandpa's poverty.
That's kind of the point. We keep redefining what "poverty" is and not just the tautology that results if you say "poverty is the lowest 20% of income". Today, poverty means something a lot more like "living typical lower-middle-class lifestyle": people "living in poverty" have TVs, kitchen appliances (dishwasher), laptop computers, video games, cell phones, air-conditioning, car(s), fast-food, far more food calories than are healthy. Sure there's the homeless, but we're subsidizing this lifestyle, a lifestyle that wasn't even available to the pretty-darn well-off townfolk 50 or 60 years ago.
If you ask a person "define poverty" their words almost certainly do not describe the typical "living in poverty" household.
Yes. And activist nanny assholes also move the goalposts to the next county by switching from actual, physical event, like hunger (Last week, how many meals did you skip?) to emotional events, like food insecurity (Last week, how many times were you not sure about getting something to eat)? Given how arbitrary and suggestible people are, we can never eliminate "insecurity".
It's kind of like the games they played with the widely-reported survey of women in college, concluding that one in five women experience sexual assault or rape. When you look at the questions asked, they also included having "regrettable sex" with SA/rape. So one in five women responded that they have experienced SA, rape, OR regrettable sex. Wow. Way to skew the results. But that was the point, so the media can claim SA/rape is so rampant in our "rape culture" that it happens to 20+% of the population of women.
It would be like a survey that asks if customers of X restaurant ever got food poisoning or just regretted eating there. Media headline: 20% of customers of X restaurant got food poisoning. Perhaps 1% of respondents got food poisoning, and the other 19% just didn't like the meal.
"Who is the they that wanted the market crashed?"
You don't watch Morning Joe? Mika and Joe showed off the newspapers with headlines about tanking economy, Trump's wrecking the world, and it was like "What, the market is UP today? Well, what are we going to talk about for the next hour..."
Maybe they didn't WANT the market to crash, per se, but they were fully prepared to revel in the mess.
Everyone forgot about the money they “lost” during the Covid hysteria.
It's been my experience that anytime someone asks "Who do you mean by 'they'?" they know exactly who the other person is talking about.
...this does look like a case where the child was gender-questioning, and the teacher chose to affirm that in the classroom. I'm sorry if this makes me a bad libertarian, but I have no problem with the firing or the law.
Is this enough to allow Elizabeth's return to the Based Club? You tell me.
I don't know. The article where she didn't like the gibli deportation meme was pretty anti-based.
No, it's not enough to redeem Just-about-as-awful-as-ENB Liz.
She remains on probation.
It gets her in the 'standing on the sidelines but tentatively raising a hand to ask a question' club.
Who is Steven Horsford‘s sock?
https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1910055691907182686
What a man child.
What a
manchild. FTFYDon't expect more from a Leftist.
Standard globalist.
That could be about three or four of them here. Boehm, Sullum, Tucielle and Lancaster also fit.
Tuesday, the Trump administration froze over $1 billion of Cornell's federal funding and $790 million of Northwestern's, citing civil rights investigations.
How about we start freezing this funding because WE CAN'T FUCKING AFFORD IT.
Or a really, really crazy thought; eliminate, not freeze, all funding to all colleges because it is unconstitutional.
Hear hear!
Why do you want to murder professors?
Are any of them grandmas?
Or take their bike locks away. That's just as bad.
"These guests are never simply going on vacation. Rather, they're entering some kind of magical-realist hinterland where they're tormented by different iterations of fate, pride, vanity, and greed, a ritualistic evisceration accompanied by pool drinks and a spectacular breakfast buffet."
So, Fantasy Island, but with a boat instead of "de plane!"?
Never watched this White Lotus show.
Still curious about how Reason uses the term "free trade" to mean exchanges with other nations that have significant self-serving trade barriers, as well as other negative impacts.
Sure, the ideal of free trade is no one putting up barriers to trade. But that's probably never going to happen, and is largely out of the control of our or any other government. So what's the next best thing? One might argue that our government should in general not interfere with the decisions individuals or businesses make about whom to trade with.
I get that. But what would you have told people trading with German companies in 1938?
I can accept that there need to be restrictions on trading with actual enemies.
and is largely out of the control of our or any other government
Who, besides governments, has any control of barriers to international trade? Governments are the #1 installer and maintainer of trade barriers.
Of course. But no government has much control over the others. I'm not saying they shouldn't try to negotiate for better, freer trade. But, at least from a libertarian, individualist point of view, you need to balance that against the infringements of the freedom of Americans to trade and do business as they see fit.
You won't be going to jail for continuing to buy less-cheap-but-still-cheap garbage from China.
Does government have a diry to protect property rights in libertarian idoelogy? I believe it does. And a lot of those rights are openly violated by actors like China. Economic responses are better than warfare in my opinion.
Sure, burn down the universities, but build something better in their ashes.
Trade schools and apprenticeships.
A bill board explaining how every global climate warming change model has been proven wrong?
Nah, the hobo professors living in the campus ruins would just paint it over with a message blaming the fire on The Climate Change.
Build a wall around Columbia and let them fend for themselves. Escape from New York style.
But this time Snake Plissken is a fat black trans woman with a lisp who just shoots everyone.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,
No Taxation without Representation!
But Congress delegated certain powers. Whether this was constitutional or not is certainly debatable, but the laws as written do seem to support the ability of the President to do what he's doing (although there may also be some overriding treaty agreements that should prevent some of the actions).
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/how-congress-delegates-its-tariff-powers-to-the-president#:~:text=The%20Constitution%20actually%20grants%20Congress%20the%20power%20to,are%20placed%20on%20goods%20entering%20the%20United%20States.
Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 has been used by the first and second Trump administrations for steel and aluminum imports. It authorizes the president to ask the Secretary of Commerce to determine if goods are being imported in manner that threatens national security. The secretary then reports back to the president if he has any affirmative findings. “Section 232 does not require the President to follow the Secretary’s recommendations but permits him to take alternative actions or no action,” the CRS says. Under Section 232, there is no maximum time limit on the president’s tariff actions.
Among the three provisions that allow the president to act on his own to impose tariffs without an investigation, only one has ever been used: the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977. The act allows the president to declare an emergency under the National Emergency Act (NEA) and then use his extensive economic powers to regulate or prohibit imports. The CRS says that President Trump was the first chief executive to use this act in February 2025, when he announced tariffs on Canada, China, and Mexico. The emergency stated by the president can be terminated at this request, or by a joint resolution of Congress.
Section 122 of the Trade Act of 1974, which allows the president to enact temporary tariffs to address “large and serious United States balance-of-payments deficits” or certain other situations that present "fundamental international payments problems; and Section 338 of Tariff Act of 1930, which authorizes the president to enact “tariffs on articles produced by, or imported on the vessels of, foreign countries that discriminate against U.S. commerce in certain ways,” have not yet been used.
A law repugnant to the Constitution is void.
-Madison v Marbury
Let me know when they pass an amendment to the Constitution. That is the only way to change it.
I get it. Which is why I said "Whether this was constitutional or not is certainly debatable".
But SCOTUS has ruled over and over again that Congress can delegate some powers. From the same source 'In Wayman v. Southard (1825), Marshall noted that Congress could not delegate powers “that are strictly and exclusively legislative.” But Congress had the ability to grant other powers as needed.
I get it too, I know Congress has passed bullshit laws.
The President shouldn't levy taxes. Full stop, no ifs ands or buts about it. It is an afront to Liberty, going back to the Magna Carta.
Congress has passed some bullshit laws *and* your average citizen dreams up even more bullshit laws for even more bullshit reasons every day.
For instance, the Magna Carta doesn't ban tariffs. The ban on taxation from the king was because of the ubiquity of the tax, despite your dishonesty, tariffs are specifically not ubiquitous. If such a conflation were invariably true or unquestioned, it becomes pretty obvious that people throwing the East India Company's (customer's) tea in the harbor were just filthy anti-globalist protectionists.
Moreover wishes for liberty and cries for principles, even supported by violence, doesn't stop Xerxes army from marching over the bodies of dead Spartans even if the Spartans did slow them down for a little bit.
Another problem here is using "national security" as a blanket excuse for the tariffs. Maybe there's something there when it comes to China. But buying fucking lumber from Canada, or cars from Europe is not a national security issue and it is misuse of the law to claim it is. Emergency powers should be used for emergencies (and be a lot more limited than they are). Trade shenanigans that have been going on for decades may be a problem, but it's not an emergency. There is plenty of time for congress to deliberate and decide on a policy.
There is plenty of time for congress to deliberate and decide on a policy.
Not to disagree on the emergency aspect but this assumes that the Congress that knowingly mortgaged us into this mess (and likely would've gone further) isn't intentionally or systematically doing so.
How dare the Constitution contradict Trump! It must be leftist!
Go read MO’s comment first before you go off and make a total retard of yourself, Sarc.
Haha, good one.
What part of the constitution molly?
The Constitution doesn't contradict Trump, nor Trump it.
Best leave your MSNBC talking points in the bathroom where they belong, before you come to to tussle with the mean girls, Sarckles.
But isn't it encouraging to see all the leftists who have rediscovered the Constitution?
Poor sarcbot.
No Taxation without Representation!
What a silly, facile statement.
You didn't vote in 2024?
Are you suggesting Donald Trump ran for Congress? Now that's silly.
Are you suggesting that the elected Congress didn't delegate their responsibilities to the ELECTED President? That's just silly.
No, I am stating they have no authority to alter the constitution by passing a law. That they must pass an amendment, it's why the founders put in place Article 5 in the Constitution.
Stating something that seems to be in opposition with SCOTUS' past rulings is worth as much as shitting in your hand and calling it gold.
Convince your representatives to take their jobs back. Until then, check your hypocrisy at the door.
“silly, facile statement”
Tariffs are the new abortion are the new Ukraine.
Yes, in the sense that it's a polarizing issue. And yes, some people make silly, facile arguments about it. But it's also a real issue where there is legitimate disagreement among people who know what they are talking about. To dismiss arguments against tariffs because some people are idiots is a silly, facile argument.
There's no argument to dismiss. Y'all say "Trump can only do what Congress allows", and then complain that "Trump is doing what Congress allows". Nonsense.
Why are we here now? Because Congress cares more about re-election than doing their jobs.
Care to point me to where I've made such arguments?
I'm on the record agreeing with DOGE and Trump in cutting government. Namely on the same reasoning as above, that Congress never had the authority to create agencies like the Dept of Ed and that Trump is upholding his oath to the Constitution by trying to get rid of them.
I also don't care about his deporting efforts to date outside of making sure an American doesn't get deported like Obama did.
Seems like you are arguing with someone other then me.
Seems like you are arguing with someone other then me.
It's possible. It seems your ire is sorely misplaced then.
Nope, not misplaced. You're the ignorant jackass who call the Sons of Liberty's rallying cry a silly, facile statement.. And not really ire as much as revulsion at the lack of intelligence you displayed. I expect the "You didn't vote in 2024? comment from the same people who think the 1619 Project is historical accurate, worthy to be taught in schools.
Says the ignorant jackass trying to apply the rallying cry to tariffs today? Congress, who was elected, voted to delegate their powers to the President, who was also elected. So, yes, you do the Sons of Liberty a dishonor by misusing their rallying cry.
Fucking moron.
Who is "y'all"? I speak only for myself. I never said "Trump can only do what congress allows". The president does have some powers of his own. The question (to me) is whether congress can constitutionally delegate setting tax policy to the president.
Agree. Just pointing out that these topics seem to bring out the most silly, facile arguments, particularly from people that don’t otherwise do so for other topics.
See: PENGUINS!!!
I guess that its good(?) that I got in on the ground floor and said the same when GW Bush, Obama and Biden all also did this.
Uh, sure. But how about no representation without taxation?
I'm not AnCap, yet.
From 1917 to 1926 clock factories hired around 4,000 people to paint the dials of watches with radium paint, so they would glow in the dark.
A lot of them were women.
I assume eventually we'll also be talking about the radium boys, then?
The vast majority of them were women as they were perceived as being able to paint small areas effectively with their smaller hands. They would even go so far as to lick the brushes and paint their nails with the radium paint. I guess glow in the dark nails must’ve seemed cool to them.
I guess glow in the dark nails must’ve seemed cool to them.
Who wouldn't think glow in the dark nails were cool, back then? Definitely not now, or me. Wait, what were we talking about?
Far. Out. Man.
Apparently the big issue was that managers recommended setting the brush top by licking to get a fiber line. Ooops.
What about transuranic boys?
Don't give jeffsarc any ideas.
(Who is the they that wanted the market crashed?)
Playing dumb is not a good look Liz.
I want to know who thinks that was actually a crash. Was similar to other corrections like 2022.
Who is the they that wanted the market crashed?
Whoever is trading today apparently.
Trump signs a presidential memorandum stripping Miles Taylor--aka the New York Times' "Anonymous"-- which strips him of any remaining security clearance and orders DOJ to investigate his activities.
Of all the many media hoaxes, the one I laugh about the most was when the New York Times assured us "anonymous" was a HUGE, Cabinet Secretary-level figure and it turned out that they were 1000% lying and it was Miles Taylor, IV. Someone wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy down the DHS food chain
Removing clearances is revenge and worse than locking up your political opponents. - sarc
It’s not ok because democrats did it first.
Who is the they that wanted the market crashed?
Why don't you spend some more time doing actual journalism and put some effort into answering (and shedding light on the answer to) this question?
So we want to be economically interdependent with an ideologically authoritarian regime which is known for extensive human rights abuses in order to prevent war?
You do realize that really only works to a point, and we may be crippled when China does find something worth risking a war over?
Germany and the Soviet Union were actually fairly well interdependent up until 1940.
Hey man. The iran peace deal made the ME a utopia before trump canceled it.
A question for Liz (and any other libertarian-aspiring Reason staff): given the wild and crazy Trump approach--and outcomes or trends--so far, would you rather revert to the Democratic program, with its globalist WEF-managed economies and societies, spiced with woke insanity and incessant identity politics?
It gives the appearance that KMW, Sullum (aka Batshit) and his sidekick Boehm (aka Rotten), as well as a few other Beltway Reasonistas would prefer it.
Not an appearance at this point.
Does it seem to you they really object much to Woke insanity and identity politics?
They seem to embrace much of it, especially the alphabet identities.
I figure that they figure so far as they get their weed, psychedelics, food trucks, ass sex, and tariff free cheap shit, they’re fine with the rest of it. They aren’t so much libertarian as liberal-tarian or libertine.
House Republican leaders canceled a vote on the Senate's budget resolution Wednesday night, as Speaker Mike Johnson came to terms with what had been clear for many hours: Too many Republicans would vote in opposition and the measure was bound to fail
Good. Fuck you, cut spending.
Shoot Mike Johnson out of a cannon.
Maybe Tim Walz was DOL this whole time?
Tim Walz was heckled and booed by military veterans in Minnesota today over his stolen valor.
Good call back.
But he proved he had valor by posting a picture of a coin you can buy online weeks after we called him out.
Just came to me, maybe now he’s a fake attorney?
He might be. He's also KAR too, I suspect. I got in an email tussle with Stolen Valor once when I challenged him on his stolen valor, and he demanded reciprocal proof of my identity if he was to provide proof of his service. And there's stuff from that exchange he's later brought up as KAR that was never said here in the comments. Specifically the town I live in.
Anyway, TLDR. DOL is still actively trolling the comments under different names.
he demanded reciprocal proof of my identity
Fuckin' seriously? He couldn't figure that out from the email address alone?
It's unclear whether the administration will grant them such waivers.
Please, sir, can I have some more
Who is the they that wanted the market crashed?
Peter Navarro; socialist hate capitalism.
Anyone who believes that Trump's 90-day tariff suspension was a knee jerk reaction to the drop in the capital markets must necessarily also believe that Trump was totally surprised by that drop and did not fully anticipate it.
If you believe Trump did not know how the capital markets would respond, you are as stupid as you falsely imagine Trump is.
Bingo. He, Bessent, Lutnick and Navarro clearly modeled out the various scenarios.
Ultimately tariffs are a high stakes carrot or stick negotiation, a style Foggy Bottom and the rest of the globalists have zero concept of-- but the business world thrives on.
"Sure, burn down the universities, but build something better in their ashes."
Not the job of the federal government.
Fuck you, cut spending.
Sad that this take follows Liz's only Libertarian take. "Hey teachers, leave those kids alone."
I wonder if reason will post stories on trump getting rid of Biden era ATF totalitarian regulations, or about the senate voting to stop giving the tali an $40 million a week. Or is that too local
Too local.
They had 1 single article post election about the 5T in regulations that accrued under Biden. They won't start talking about the deregulstory state now. Regulations don't effect prices, only tariffs do.
Trump just forced 75+ countries to the negotiating table to fix our trade deficits on a tight timeline
That’s a huge win
But for your comedic interests, here is a clown take:
Peter Schiff @PeterSchiff
It looks like Trump has already surrendered in what may go down as the shortest global trade war in history. I guess once he saw how badly the U.S. was losing, he needed to find a graceful way to save face.
Caturd’s response to Peter Schiff is funny. Peter also needs to be contacted by Retard Finder.
I do enjoy the higher 10% tariffs currently being an act of surrender according to democrats. But they realize they are talking to convince the idiots. Have quite a few of them here.
'Who is the they that wanted the market crashed?'
Let' see:
Dedicated socialists and communists
Democrats hoping for mid-term victories
Aggressive investors making big short bets
Anyone with level 3 or higher TDS
others?
Tim Walz.
Liberals Devastated As Stock Market Recovers
SO SORRY THIS IS HAPPENING TO YOU, SARCASMIC. Thoughts and prayers.
He and Pluggo will still find their spin on it.
Don't leave out SGT and his penguins.
Jessica Tarlov
@JessicaTarlov
Trump caved. Carry on with your day.
Yes, totally caved by... *checks notes*.... successfully using his leverage to bring the nations of the world to the negotiating table for fairer trade deals while realigning global trade against China.
Their heads would explode if they were to admit the truth.
Me and the wife watch the 5 sometimes while making dinner. She is dumb as a box of rocks.
Tarlov, not your wife, right?
Lol, yeah.
My wife hates this chick and I keep telling her she's just doing what she's paid to do. Fox always hires the dumbest token liberal they can find.
I actually like Harold Ford Jr, even though I don’t agree with him on much. I wish they just had him every day. Before Trump ruined their brain I used to flip to Morning Joe once in awhile and he was on there.
Yeah, Harold's pretty good. He is the type of old school liberal I actually respected back in the 80s.
"Sure, burn down the universities, but build something better in their ashes."
Not the job of the government. I look forward to the day, Musk U defeats Duke U in the NCAA championship.
So I guess we’re taking “it was all just a negotiating tactic” from the excuse grab bag, and not “we’re doing it for the revenue” or “these will replace income tax.” Then again, it’s (supposedly) just a 90-day pause, so there’s plenty of time to come up with a new explanation by July for Liberation Day 2: Independence Day.
So sorry your globalist lies turned out wrong again. So sorry that you may end up with lower average tariffs globally.
Ah, so the goal was to LOWER tariffs. So they’re not good, then…? This 4D chess is getting confusing.
The goal is to lower tariffs ideally to zero, use modest tariffs to replace the income tax, or use high tariffs to encourage onshoring of manufacturing jobs. It all depends on who Trump and his defenders are lying to at the time.
Or you could actually listen to him or Bessent. They have plenty of public speeches.
Then again you're now pro raised income taxes over consumption taxes.
There can be multiple goals dependent on phase of implementation. Your goal seems to be solely raising taxes and pushing dem talking points.
Example. You screaming stock market yesterday but not today.
“Or you could actually listen to him or Bessent.”
HAHAHAHA! Good one.
Yes. He has been clear about that since his first term retard.
It is amazing how most of you revel in ignorance and MSNBC narratives.
Lower tariffs domestically and foreign.
What the fuck do you think the negotiations are about?
Some of you really love proving your intentional ignorance.
And whose sock are you?
Thinking SGT who got embarrassed about his penguins.
Sarc or Buttplug's.
Gotta be someone’s with a name line “McCult”. Those two strike me as most likely due to how they claim the rest of us are in a cult.
It's not Jeffy's MO. Not pretentious enough, and Sarc's been calling people "cultists" with extra-special fervor these last two weeks.
Tried muting it to see if it’s just some asshole switching names. With McCult muted, Sarc and the others are still unmuted. Could be an older account switching names as why would someone spend 25 bucks just to be a sock?
It’s a gray box, so yeah
"...This 4D chess is getting confusing..."
TDS-addled piles of shit are easily confused by checkers, asshole.
I believe you that you’re confused midwit.
McCult, of the Biden clan? You want the door to the left, and don't forget to take your meds.
‘Criminal Contempt’: Fani Willis Under Legal Pressure
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/criminal-contempt-fani-willis-under-legal-pressure/ar-AA1CDukb
The Georgia Senate Special Committee recently criticized District Attorney Fani Willis over her noncompliance with subpoenas. Willis has faced numerous legal disputes for failing to provide requested documents and testimony related to her investigation of President Donald Trump’s alleged election interference.
Committee attorney Josh Belinfante reported that Willis’ capacity to challenge the subpoenas has expired. The committee has since set deadlines for her compliance.
Belinfante said, “That person could be held in criminal contempt.”
Sen. Greg Dolezal (R-GA) said, “The DA has thumbed her nose at this committee, she has thumbed her nose at Georgia’s open record law, and I just have limited confidence that she’s acting in good faith. So I do believe that we may be at the point that we do need to escalate this to the next step.”
Didn’t a judge already give her a spanking for ignoring subpoenas?
Yes
If the order had gone the other way the headline could have been "Judge Delivers Blow to Homeless" and we could have got a chuckle.
Instead:
"Judge Delivers Blow to Homeless Camping Ban"
The Oregon city of Grants Pass has faced challenges in balancing homelessness policies with legal requirements concerning accessibility and camping restrictions. A recent court injunction requires the city to restore camping capacity and improve site accessibility for individuals with disabilities. Josephine County Circuit Court Judge Sarah McGlaughlin ruled that Grants Pass must provide camping capacity equal to levels before the recent closure of a 1.2-acre site.
Grants Pass banned camping on most city lands following a U.S. Supreme Court case, limiting it to two council-selected areas. Afterward, the city reduced capacity by closing the largest site, leaving insufficient options for those in need.
McGlaughlin wrote, “The court finds the Plaintiff’s proposed preliminary injunction order is too broad.” She added, “A blanket ban on enforcement of the GPMC [Grants Pass Municipal Code] Camping Regulations causes unnecessary harm to the City and the public’s interest in regulating camping on public property.”
The city is also required to ensure all designated camping areas feature accessible surfaces and routes for disabled individuals.
"Judge Blows Homeless" would've been too on the nose.
Does anyone else remember what happened when we totally put the economic screws to a major Asian power?
It was an oil embargo, not tariffs, but we are no more ready for war now then we were then.
Not predicting, just wondering if Pete is ready.
He’s currently in Panama:
https://justthenews.com/world/latin-america/hegseth-announces-deeper-partnership-panama-effort-keep-control-canal-china
The headline could have been "Federal Student Aid Delivered Blow" and we could have got a chuckle.
Instead it's just another whine-file piece.
"Federal Student Aid Suffers Severe Blow"
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-student-aid-suffers-severe-blow/ar-AA1CCV2n
The FSA, a vital division managing over $1 trillion in student loans and education grants, has suffered severe workforce reductions, affecting its ability to oversee loan processes effectively.
The reduction has cut roughly 2,000 employees, completely eliminating some divisions and allegedly placing reinstated staff in a state of “chaos” and “confusion.” Staff have expressed frustration about limited communication regarding their pay and benefits.
Former employees have described emotional farewells, retrieving their belongings from offices and attending virtual gatherings. Several have recounted shattered career plans, describing the uncertainty as destabilizing and disheartening.
Cuts to the FSA have raised concerns over accountability, particularly because its oversight helps schools administer loans and grants properly. Risks of mismanagement and harm to students dependent on financial aid have become significant fears due to oversight division closures.
Former employees have described emotional farewells, retrieving their belongings from offices…
Because absolutely nobody in private industry has ever suffered through such a thing.
https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1910059547781185659
I wonder if there's a connection between this story and my noticing there has been a recent drop in the number of gray boxes in the typical Reason comment thread.
Interesting to see defense attorney demanding DOJ NOT drop charges.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/09/politics/doj-dropping-charges-alleged-ms-13-leader-east-coast/index.html
The Justice Department moved to drop charges Wednesday against a man they had alleged to be a “major leader” of the MS-13 gang – just weeks after publicly lauding his arrest – a move his lawyer says is the first step towards immediately deporting him to El Salvador.
Attorney General Pam Bondi, in a press conference last month, said the man, Henrry Villatoro Santos, was MS-13’s “leader for the East Coast,” and that he was among the “horrible, violent, worst of the worst criminals.”
Now, just two weeks later, Trump’s Justice Department, without explanation, moved to dismiss the single federal charge he faced for unlawfully possessing a firearm. In a court filing, prosecutors said only that “the government no longer wishes to pursue the instant prosecution at this time.”
The switch in tactic comes as the Trump administration works to rapidly deport alleged gang members. In March, President Donald Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, which gives a president broad power to target and remove undocumented immigrants in times of war or when an enemy attempts an “invasion or predatory incursion.”
Villatoro Santos’ lawyer quickly moved to temporarily keep the federal charges pending against his client, saying that if the case were dropped, Villatoro Santos would be “immediately transferred to ICE custody.”
“The danger of Mr. Villatoro Santos being unlawfully deported by ICE without due process and removed to El Salvador, where he would almost certainly be immediately detained at one of the worst prisons in the world without any right to contest his removal, is substantial, both in light of the Government’s recent actions and the very public pronouncements in this particular case,” defense attorney Muhammad Elsayed wrote to the court.
As expected...
Supreme Court says Trump doesn’t have to rehire independent labor board members for now
https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/09/politics/trump-supreme-court-labor-boards/index.html
Chief Justice John Roberts on Wednesday allowed President Donald Trump to temporarily remove two board members at independent labor agencies while the justices consider whether the president may permanently fire them.
The brief order does not necessarily indicate which way the court is leaning in the case. Instead, the procedural move will give the justices a few days to consider written arguments before deciding whether or not to grant Trump’s request.
“The president should not be forced to delegate his executive power to agency heads who are demonstrably at odds with the administration’s policy objectives for a single day – much less for the months that it would likely take for the courts to resolve this litigation,” Solicitor General D. John Sauer, the Trump administration’s top appellate lawyer, told the Supreme Court in a filing earlier Wednesday.
The underlying lawsuit raises fundamental questions about the president’s authority to remove officials within the executive branch that Congress said could only be dismissed for cause – such as inefficiency or malfeasance – not because the president disagrees with their decisions. The conservative Supreme Court in recent years has moved toward expanding the president’s power to control independent agencies.
5-0 against activist judges this week. Waiting on the sullum article after he screamed about a constitutional crisis.
president’s power to control independent agencies.
What the fuck is an "independent agency"? What branch of government? Who do they report to? Who are they held responsible to? What the fuck.
Who do they report to?
In the case of the CFPB, Liz Warren? I think through a treaty with her tribe.
https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/1909416188821528958
Western Lensman
@WesternLensman
MSNBC’s Eddie Glaude launches unhinged, self-righteous rant blasting Trump supporters as racist:
Says 78M Americans who voted for Trump would rather “destroy the Republic” than "elect a black woman."
The Democrats should have run an actual Black woman then, instead of the Desi that they did.
Does Big Mike count?
For years I've said that if Condi Rice had run at any time, I'd have voted for her. If for any other reason, just to kneecap this exact argument (if such a thing were possible, but knowing leftists she would count as a black woman somehow...she probably would have been "literally Hitler").
Skin color is the most important thing.
Also, what is a woman?
Poor guy couldn't even get through his rant without looking down at the script. Anybody who would rather have elected that particular black woman is obviously not mentally fit to live without a babysitter.
I don't like Kamala for the content of her character.
I would have no problem voting for any woman of any race if I believe they support individual liberty. But if we're to be forced to look at race as a determining factor my mind takes me to some scary places, Tiffany Hendren, Fani Willis, Karen Bass, Kamala Harris, Jasmine Crockett, the list goes on. On balance it doesn't seem like they're sending their best.
Malice had Hotep Jesus on recently and they discussed this. Very interesting.
“destroy the Republic” than
"elect a black woman."destroy the Republic faster and drunker.FTF Eddie
"Now, China will be severely hurt by this; Trump imposed the pain that he desired."
And the American consumer. Tariffs are a tax paid by consumers. But don't tell Trump, he'd prefer to remain ignorant.
Penguins!
Yeah, why did Trump have to start this whole penguin meme by taxing their imports. Someone oughta call PETA.
OK, ass-wipe, I can't get this into one-syllable words, but let’s see if I can make simple enough that TDS-addled imbeciles like you can understand:
"But as to the penguins, I love that for showing your moral bankruptcy. You think penguins are a sign of incoherency, as if I'm too stupid to think of anything else, yet Trump is the one who imposed tariffs on the penguins."
No, like your TDS, you are projecting.
Tariffs include an entire country, even those portions which are not producing export goods and it would be ridiculous to exclude this province or that island. Only TDS-addled brain-dead shits like you find that hard to understand.
Do you have it now, shit-for-brains?
Yes, tariffs do include an entire country, and those two islands are part of Australia which is tariffed too. If you're worried about Australia leasing those islands to China, why restrict that worry to islands? They could just as easily lease any of their territory to China.
Trump is an idiot.
Penguins!
Nope, makes you a parent.
The real problem is government-controlled schooling. (I'd do away with government-funded too, but that's a separate bone.) Get government out of the business so parents have to make real choices instead of just falling back on being lazy and letting the government decide.
That's the problem in general with society, having government fallbacks. It destroys individualism.
"...(Who is the they that wanted the market crashed?)..."
Most all of the writers here.
Someone ought to check White House trades these last few days. Probably put Pelosi to shame.
Trump told people to buy before the market opened. He wanted everybody to enjoy the surge.
Another stupid leftist talking point.
What, Pelosi?
If Pelosi deserves investigating, why not White House staff? Are they too pure and noble?
See damikesc‘s comment above. Trump said in public to buy the dip several hours before announcing the pause.
It’s not insider trading if you make a public announcement.
Thanks Adam Schiff.
https://time.com/7276234/trump-tariff-insider-trading-schiff/
Guess i need to start keeping a list of terms you don't understand, like sarc.
Trump publicly told people to buy. Lol.
Most of us who aren't liberals likely made a lot of money due to the media hysteria this week. Guessing you didn't.
And here's another statist fanboi who doesn't like individuals and doesn't believe in free markets, in addition to Jesse who thinks because markets can't be 100% free, the only alternative is 0% free and controlled by Trump personally.
As Thomas Sowell said,
Markets will come up with something better, if something better is both possible and wanted. If markets don't, then not enough people wanted it, and we're better off without another government-mandated one-size-fits-nobody "solution".
Freer is better than not. Why do you hate progress towards freer markets?
Do it for the penguins.
Did you see Jesse yesterday claiming that because totally free markets have never existed, there are no free markets, and therefore it's better to let Trump control markets than Wall Street?
Keep your fever dreams to yourself. Go to the zoo and check out some penguins.
In other words, you did notice, and now you don't want to admit Jesse said something stupid.
I can't notice things that you made up. I'm beginning to think that you really are sarcjeff.
“Did the penguin tell you to do this?
You'd have to ask Trump, it's his meme and I am sworn to secrecy by Opus.
OK, shit-stain, I can't get this into one-syllable words, but let’s see if I can make simple enough that TDS-addled imbeciles like you can understand:
"But as to the penguins, I love that for showing your moral bankruptcy. You think penguins are a sign of incoherency, as if I'm too stupid to think of anything else, yet Trump is the one who imposed tariffs on the penguins."
No, like your TDS, you are projecting.
Tariffs include an entire country, even those portions which are not producing export goods and it would be ridiculous to exclude this province or that island. Only TDS-addled brain-dead shits like you find that hard to understand.
Do you have it now, shit-for-brains?
I loved Bloom County when I was a kid. I haven't checked up on it in it's reincarnation, but I imagine Berkeley Breathed has gone of the deep end since.
This made me laugh out loud. Damn you.
Hey, “Billy Madison” has a wealth of quotes, including several related to a penguin.
Many have made the analogy:
Fatass Donnie stupidly set the building on fire playing with matchs/tariffs. Then called the fire department to postpone the fire 90 days. And is now congratulating himself for his stupidity.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Many retards may have made that erroneous analogy, but just like Trump said he would from the start, he lowered the tariffs for every country that capitulated only.
And all those countries capitulated.
So sorry this has destroyed the next two months of trolling for you, Pluggo.
He hasn't done a damn thing but kick the can down the road. The markets realized that and are back in destruction mode.
He is even killing the Treasury market. You are fluffing the idiot that will be known as Hoover 2.
turd, the asswipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Bring back "Well-adjusted Biden Guy".
Hoover 2.
That was FDR.
"He hasn't done a damn thing but kick the can down the road."
Better explain that to Jeffy, Sarc and the Buttplug from two days ago, because they swore the apocalypse was now.
And the award for dumbest fucking analogy of the year goes to:
called the fire department to postpone the fire 90 days
wrong place
BREAKING: SAVE ACT passes the U.S. House, requiring U.S. citizenship be proven in order to register to vote.
SO SORRY THAT THIS IS HAPPENING TO YOU REASON / CHEMJEFF, thoughts and prayers.
220-208.
4 Democrats joined Republicans.
Very popular with voters and just plain common sense. But will have to contend with a filibuster in the Senate.
Expect some "totally unforeseen" violence directed at the critters who voted for this. And any in the Senate who express support for this. The assassination admiration party doesn't like challenges to their voter fraud.
It's still pretty popular, even among most 'normal' Democrat voters. Voter ID requirements passed in Wisconsin recently with something like 63%, in the same election where those same voters elected a progressive liberal to the state supreme court by a margin of 10%.
https://ballotpedia.org/Wisconsin_Question_1,_Require_Voter_Photo_ID_Amendment_(April_2025)
Notable:
Fuck you - cut taxes.
Oh, they will. They'll cut taxes while increasing spending, until the final collapse.
I'm sorry if this makes me a bad libertarian, but I have no problem with the firing or the law.
1. If carving up children and castrating them makes you a 'good libertarian' I don't want to be a 'good libertarian'.
b) So, IS carving up children and sterilizing them a 'good libertarian' cause now?
No.
Some questions don't have specifically libertarian answers. Sometimes things are just wrong, regardless of political ideology. There are plenty of leftists who think this shit is insane and evil.
But they still vote for it.
I'm sorry if this makes me a bad libertarian
Not wanting a government employee circumventing the wishes of private citizens makes someone a bad libertarian? I think someone isn't thinking about this correctly.
Jeff shuffles his feet and looks around.
Evidence shows Biden White House directly aided Jack Smith’s J6 probe
Emails confirm a criminal conspiracy between the Biden White House, the FBI Washington Field Office, prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney’s Office – Washington D.C., and Jack Smith to plan, approve, and execute Arctic Frost, with the intent to frame, arrest, prosecute, and imprison Donald J. Trump.
Operation Arctic Frost formed the basis of Jack Smith's false elector case under which President Donald Trump was later charged with a conspiracy to defraud the United States for his campaign’s attempts to assemble alternate slates of electors which that the United States government was overthrown during the 2020 election.
Poor sullum and sarc.
Did facts change?
I'm sorry if this makes me a bad libertarian, but I have no problem with the firing or the law
A petty bureaucrat just got smacked for exercising authority over someone else's child that she didn't have and never should have had in the first place. What kind of libertarian wouldn't cheer for this?
Chemjeff libertarianism.