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Reason Roundup

Trade War With China

Plus: Theories to explain Trump's behavior, the radium girls, university investigations, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 4.10.2025 9:31 AM

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We're doing a trade war: It's just not quite as extensive as previously feared.

President Donald Trump announced yesterday, after more market bloodbath, that he would pause the implementation of his reciprocal tariffs (the higher-level ones) for 90 days, but that the 10 percent universal tariffs would remain in place and that tariffs on Chinese products would be raised to 125 percent. Stocks rallied. Goldman Sachs rescinded its recession prediction, which had put "the probability of a downturn at 65% in the next 12 months" per Bloomberg. (Now it's been adjusted to 45 percent.)

"I thought that people were jumping a little bit out of line," Trump said Wednesday. "They were getting yippy—you know, they were getting a little bit yippy, a little bit afraid."

Just to recap following Bessent's briefing to reporters here at the White House:
- Tariffs on China increased to 125%
- 90 day pause on reciprocal tariffs amid negotiations
- Tariff level brought down to a universal 10%
- Canada and Mexico are part of the 10%
- Pause won't impact…

— Shelby Talcott (@ShelbyTalcott) April 9, 2025

In other words, we've been anchored. It's a classic negotiation tactic. Now, 10 percent universal tariffs—and massive tariffs that cripple trade with China—don't feel so bad, do they? We've been primed to believe the worse alternative would become reality.

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This reality is still a bad one, though. And nobody really knows what changed his mind: The Wall Street Journal reports that Trump watched an interview with JPMorganChase CEO Jamie Dimon on Fox Business, in which Dimon said a recession would be a "likely outcome" of the tariffs. "I'm taking a calm view, but it could get worse," added Dimon. There's some thought, given the timing here, that this influenced the president, who later said of Dimon: "He's very smart, and very genius financially, did a fantastic job at the bank. And he knows that everybody knows that."

Nobody really knows for sure. Elon Musk had been privately sounding the alarm. Bill Ackman had taken his concerns public. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent surely played a big role (and publicly turned around and claimed "This was [Trump's] strategy all along").

There are a few takes you could conceivably have, maybe even multiple at once. One is that there's far too much power vested in the executive; that the power to tax has been delegated to Congress, that tariffs are taxes, and that the president attempting to unilaterally impose such taxes—and transform our economy overnight—is a constitutional breach.

Related is the idea that Republicans will at some point be punished for this:

History says the GOP should be terrified of the electorate now:

McKinley tariff 1890: The House flipped midterms from R +7 to D +147. In 1892, D secured unified control of gov for first time in 34 years.

Smoot-Hawley 1930: In midterms, D gain of 52. In 1932, D unified control. pic.twitter.com/bYKF7vVAIM

— Johan Norberg (@johanknorberg) April 8, 2025

Another is that China is our adversary, and that we're far too dependent on China for everything from appliances to machinery to penicillin. These tariffs will provide a clear incentive for domestic manufacturers to ramp up their production of goods we previously relied on China to supply; a transition that was both inevitable and sorely needed.

Another is that, since China is our adversary, a trade war (or a cold war) is more likely to lead to a hot one; our economic interdependence lowered the likelihood of actual conflict on both sides. We extricate ourselves at our own peril.

Yet another is that the economic whiplash hurts American businesses and consumers the most. People caught in the crosshairs of Trump's schizophrenic trade policy—who don't know whether the 90-day pause is a real one or whether they should make business decisions predicated on it—stand to lose the most. The budgets of normal middle-class and poor Americans who've grown reliant on cheap Chinese goods will still suffer. Markets have reacted positively to the initial pull-back, sure, but they don't tend to love this type of volatility. Trump hasn't gone about this in a way that's measured, calculated, strategic; he's shooting from the hip.

Still another is that Trump won. He got what he wanted. He imposed universal (and, frankly, ridiculous) tariffs and China was the one that escalated and he hit back while other countries mostly capitulated (with the European Union notably going for 20 percent retaliatory tariffs, which may now change), coming to the negotiating table. Now, China will be severely hurt by this; Trump imposed the pain that he desired.

It's not clear what happens now, other than a lot of things getting much more expensive. Bessent has not ruled out delisting Chinese stocks from U.S. exchanges and has started publicly saying that any U.S. allies choosing to align with China on trade would be "cutting your own throat." Even if you think decoupling is the right move, it will be short-term painful: Companies seeking to restore their manufacturing have already started asking the administration for tariff exemptions in order to be able to import machinery needed for them to build out manufacturing capacity domestically. (It's unclear whether the administration will grant them such waivers.) "The two economies with a combined GDP of $46 trillion [are] locked in a game of chicken," notes Bloomberg. "At stake is almost $700 billion in two-way annual goods trade, China's estimated $1.4 trillion of portfolio investments in the US, and less obvious but no less significant variables such as people-to-people links forged over decades at businesses and universities and public opinion that's souring on both sides."


Scenes from New York: 

all i'm saying is that if i were on the trading floor of the nyse i'd definitely be pulling the most dramatic "it's over" poses i could in the hopes of making it into the papers pic.twitter.com/PUVWOwnui4

— corvid friend (@ahabstanaccount) April 7, 2025


QUICK HITS

  • Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.) joined us to talk about why he's trying to put a stop to Trump's tariffs:

  • The takes have been predictably bad in the wake of all this turmoil:

They did everything they could to create a panic. They predicted a Black Monday that never came. They became jubilant over an intraday correction on Tuesday. They were rooting for Trump to fail even if it meant the market and economy crashed. Fortunately their hopes have been… https://t.co/7V6uLHWoMz

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) April 9, 2025

(Who is the they that wanted the market crashed?)

  • "House Republican leaders canceled a vote on the Senate's budget resolution Wednesday night, as Speaker Mike Johnson came to terms with what had been clear for many hours: Too many Republicans would vote in opposition and the measure was bound to fail," reports Politico. "The outcome is a brutal blow for House GOP leaders and President Donald Trump, who have spent days trying to wrangle the votes for the fiscal blueprint."
  • "President Donald Trump on Wednesday paused for 90 days many tariffs but is not halting 25% tariffs on automotive imports and looming tariffs on auto parts, drawing criticism from Michigan business and auto groups," reports Reuters.
  • "The guests at White Lotus resorts arrive and leave by boat, a fact I've come to believe has some kind of mythological significance," writes Sophie Gilbert at The Atlantic. "These guests are never simply going on vacation. Rather, they're entering some kind of magical-realist hinterland where they're tormented by different iterations of fate, pride, vanity, and greed, a ritualistic evisceration accompanied by pool drinks and a spectacular breakfast buffet."
  • A teacher in Florida lost her job over calling a student by a preferred name, in violation of new laws that at aim to restore parental rights after schools have become a front in the gender culture wars. Reporting from Florida Today notes that this does look like a case where the child was gender-questioning, and the teacher chose to affirm that in the classroom. I'm sorry if this makes me a bad libertarian, but I have no problem with the firing or the law. It seems important for parental rights to trump everything else at play here, and the parent is the one who gets to make decisions for their child, not the teacher/ideologue.
  • "Tuesday, the Trump administration froze over $1 billion of Cornell's federal funding and $790 million of Northwestern's, citing civil rights investigations. The campaign against elite universities continues, fueled by accusations of antisemitism, contempt for the DEI [diversity, equity, and inclusion] industrial complex, and a broader cultural vendetta. Directionally, this is good—universities are bloated credential mills, non-STEM research is largely farcical, and the ballooning student debt crisis is untenable. But if you're going to kneecap research institutions, throwing the baby out with the bathwater, you can't just walk away," writes G.B. Rango for Pirate Wires. "Sure, burn down the universities, but build something better in their ashes."
  • Do you know about the radium girls?

The most famous example of the radiation-craze gone wrong was the radium girls.

From 1917 to 1926 clock factories hired around 4,000 people to paint the dials of watches with radium paint, so they would glow in the dark.

A lot of them were women. pic.twitter.com/UZwhH3rTNn

— isabelle ???? (@isabelleboemeke) April 8, 2025

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    It's just not quite as extensive as previously feared.

    Aw, darn.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcasia’s disloyal opposition)   2 months ago

      You know who else did something not as extensive as originally feared?

      1. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

        Sarcasmic's ex-wife.

        1. Strawmancasmic, Town Drunk and Gay for Booze   2 months ago

          I’m convinced he was never married, nor had any children. Here are just drunken delusions.

          1. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

            He was definitely married, you can't fake that bitterness, resentment and raw hatred he fosters for her. As for his kid, she's probably real but not actually his.

            1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

              She did key the neighbors car…

      2. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

        Elon?

    2. JFree   2 months ago

      The stock market is irrelevant compared to the bond and currency markets. Esp a one day PR bounce. Those indicate much bigger problems ahead. A financial crisis and a hedge fund bailout and asset bubbles everywhere will explode.. Learning experience ahead

      1. MT-Man   2 months ago

        I'm confused, a one-day drop signifies bad policy choices, a one-day bounce means need to wait and see long term. Got it.

        1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

          I hope we have a third market lined up just in case neither a stock market crash nor a bond market crash pans out.

          1. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

            Commodities.

        2. JFree   2 months ago

          There was no 'flight to safety' in the bond market during the stock market rout - and a continued problem in the bond market during the short stock relief market rally yesterday. That is what tells you the stock market is the head fake. Which is why the stock market has, today, lost most of its gains from yesterday.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Stocks rallied.

    THE ONLY METRIC THAT MATTERS.

    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

      Only when it can be used to buttress your preferred narratives.

    2. The Mysterious Edwin Dunkel   2 months ago

      If there's anything the economists and libertarians have taught us over the last 50 years, it's that bad ideas with economic benefits are still bad ideas.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Which libertarians now?

      2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

        Do you think the prior asymmetrical trade status is a good idea? Do you think an inflationary policy required by decades of trade deficits is a good idea?

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          "Do you think..."

          Stop right there.

        2. Nelson   2 months ago

          “ Do you think the prior asymmetrical trade status is a good idea?”

          Given the fact that it created the most prosperous and wealthy nation in the world? Yes.

          1. Truthfulness   2 months ago

            At the cost of lost jobs and domestic production. You left that part out.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    In other words, we've been anchored. It's a classic negotiation tactic.

    Who knew he was using any of this as a negotiating tool?

    1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   2 months ago

      It’s not like he wrote a book about it or anything.

    2. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

      " I read your book damn it! I read your book!"
      -Gen Patton on beating trommel in tank warfare

      "where the hell did this art of the deal come from?"
      -every retarded illiterate leftist

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        But business deals are grubby and below the effete!

        Also a total mystery to socialists and dedicated government employees.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

      "I think most of these tariffs are meant, at a high level, as cudgels to get other countries to reduce or eliminate their anti-American or generally protective tariffs or otherwise implement US policies (e.g., push Mexico to help prevent illegal border crossings). I also think Trump sees low-key tariffs eventually as a revenue stream."

      1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   2 months ago

        Nobody can keep two ideas in their head at the same time!

      2. sarcasmic   2 months ago

        Tariffs are going to be zero with nations that agree to zero tariffs, exist across the board to collect revenue, and also protect domestic businesses by making things so expensive that nobody buys them and pays the tariff.

        All at the same time.

        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

          Said twice. Retarded twice.

          1. Strawmancasmic, Town Drunk and Gay for Booze   2 months ago

            Did you see this?

            https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/us-consumer-prices-unexpectedly-fall-march-2025-04-10/

            Looks like all the hand wringing and pants shitting was for nothing.

    4. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

      Anyword on how goes the negotiation with the cartels on tariffs on fentanyl?

      1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

        I liked how someone said something like "We hope they just drop fentanyl and go back to just cocaine, marijuana, and a little bit of heroin."

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

          Aka a weekend with Hunter.

  4. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

    Hey Liz did you know China has already released a bio weapon?

    1. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

      Now, now, the COVID amnesty is in full effect as far as the leftists that pushed the disasterous reaction are concerned.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

        Same for the rightest who also pushed this disastrous reaction.

        Donald Trump, all R Senators not named Thune, Romney, Paul or Lee and 189 of 197 House Republicans.

        1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

          MOoOoooom, he's beating the dead horse again.

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

            Yeah I'm not for amnesty for those who push covid policy on us; regardless of their party affiliation.

            1. mad.casual   2 months ago

              OK, sarcasmic, but unless you're a unicorn levitating above everyone else the issue more along the lines of "Did you send your employees home for two weeks or not and, if yes, how many weeks? When they came back was it with or without masks?"

              Because, sure as shit, you're absolutely right that Trump was being an authoritarian who wanted to "illegally" close the border with China before COVID was rampant here.

              1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

                Went into the office everyday, no masks in building required. Construction sites were the GCs to control though.

                And I was not alluding to Trump shutting down the border. I was alluding to his negioated, championed and signed Cares Act. The one that sent trillions to the states so they could pay for the lockdowns.

                1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

                  I was alluding to his negioated, championed and signed Cares Act.

                  You mean the bill that was written by Democrats and backed by a veto-proof majority? We've been over this. It wasn't his fault because Pelosi was holding a gun to his head. Where have you been?

                  1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

                    Never heard Mad make that argument. I'll leave it to him to answer for himself instead of you inserting your embellished Jessie take into this.

                2. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

                  I was alluding to his negioated, championed and signed Cares Act

                  Yeah, that's the one. That's the dead horse. At this point, I'm no longer even convinced it was a horse.

                  1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

                    Well, thank you all very much. This is a very important day. I’ll sign the single-biggest economic relief package in American history and, I must say, or any other package, by the way. It’s twice as large as any relief ever signed. It’s $2.2 billion, but it actually goes up to 6.2 — potentially — billion dollars — trillion dollars. So you’re talking about 6.2 trillion-dollar bill. Nothing like that. And this will deliver urgently needed relief to our nation’s families, workers, and businesses. And that’s what this is all about.

                    - Donald Trump

                    Well your a fucking moron, than. Can't fix stupid.

                    1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

                      Yes, I know you're fixated on this. I've addressed it several times. Yes, during an emergency, Trump did the politically expedient thing. Duh.

                      However, it's long past time to shut the fuck up about it. You're* a fucking moron, then*. Don't worry, I'm not trying to fix you.

                3. mad.casual   2 months ago

                  Went into the office everyday, no masks in building required. Construction sites were the GCs to control though.

                  And you fired the hell out of the GCs that shut down sites and replaced them with contractors and laborers who were there to get the job done, right?

                  Because "It was the GCs!" and "We kept everyone on, figured out time off, and just juggled the books." as well as the rest of the context sounds like a very convenient, almost Trumpian deflection from someone who doesn't staff across the borders of two or more states.

                  So tell me again how the price on raw materials that you've single-sourced from China is what keeps your company in business.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Hey, do you want 90% of Democrats to panic again, and lock themselves (and us) up?

        1. Ska   2 months ago

          I was with you until the parenthetical.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    There are a few takes you could conceivably have, maybe even multiple at once.

    Only the ones that make Trump the villain will be accepted.

  6. Chinny Chin Chin   2 months ago

    "I thought that people were jumping a little bit out of line," Trump said Wednesday. "They were getting yippy—you know, they were getting a little bit yippy, a little bit afraid."

    Well, yes, dipshit. You pull shenanigans with trillions of dollars worth of business transactions, and people get anxious. This is one of the many instances where "mercurial asshole" isn't an ideal leadership trait.

    1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   2 months ago

      Yeah, Joe was so much better.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

        You mean "Joe's interns were so much better."

        1. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

          Obama still had a pen and a phone.

      2. Knutsack   2 months ago

        They can both do stupid stuff. It doesn't have to be one or the other.

        1. McCult   2 months ago

          Stop, you’ll hurt their “brains.”

        2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

          The status quo is perfect and free is my favorite form of stupidity.

      3. Zeb   2 months ago

        Joe was worse. That doesn't mean we should give Don a pass when he does something foolish. We should debate these things. It's not as if unity in the Reason comment section is critical for the success (or failure) of any of Trump's plans.

        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

          Should we determine if something is foolish if the ultimate outcome is reduced tariffs overall? Or prejudge the outcome and not wait for the results?

          What was the strategy used prior? Was it working? Is the status quo preferred to change?

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

            Cuz the 2024 status quo was on the Democratic-WEF global plan timeline, silly.

            1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

              I am properly shamed into not buying the propaganda of a perfect and free market in 2024.

              Actually shocked reason didn't shut down with the market being so perfect.

              1. Zeb   2 months ago

                Show me one person who claimed that the market in 2024 was a perfect (or even pretty good) free market.

                1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

                  Whenever you attack any action that attempts to drive a change as anti free market, what is the actual claim.

                  And I'm not accusing you of doing this, but CATO, Reason, and others largely have.

                  The old system of ignore what others are doing was not a system open to change.

                2. Jefferson Paul   2 months ago

                  I'm pretty sure Bushpig 2 (SPB2) was constantly crowing about how great the economy was the entire Biden administration.

                  But I'm also pretty sure you weren't asking for an example like him, who's an idiot, liar, and horrible person, so your point stands.

          2. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

            Should we determine if something is foolish if the ultimate outcome is reduced tariffs overall?

            Great topic for discussion. We should wait for the results to assess whether or not it's foolish.

            However, this is a republic and if we see something that sure looks extremely foolish, we can and should protest and say,"Stop. This is stupid." This is how we dealt with student loan payments and the ministry of truth. We called it for what it was and (IMHO) avoided big mistakes.

            1. Idaho-Bob   2 months ago

              This is how we dealt with student loan payments and the ministry of truth.

              Those were not mistakes. They were violations against the people of the United States. One was theft and the other was censorship.

              1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

                Those were not mistakes. They were violations against the people of the United States.

                Same with tariffs.

                1. DesigNate   2 months ago

                  TBF, at least tariffs are laid out in the constitution…

                  1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

                    Yeah, I was thinking from an imposed by the executive perspective, but you I see your point.

                    1. DesigNate   2 months ago

                      I see where you’re coming from too.

          3. Zeb   2 months ago

            I'm not going to say it's definitely going to fail. I'm still going to say what I think, though. That doesn't mean I don't still hope it all works out OK.

            It is possible that the status quo of 2024 sucked and what Trump wants to do will also suck. I was glad Trump won because I think we did need some big changes. That doesn't mean that any big change is good. Using tariffs as a negotiating tool with the goal of low or no tariffs all around could work, and in my view has the right end goal. But it's still not clear that that is the end goal.

            1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

              Considering they ignored 0/0 tariff offers up to this point, but now paused some tariffs for negotiation, it seems likely that they are retconning their goal to reducing trade barriers due to the great outcry against this idiocy. This is great news, but looking at what's going on with autos, steel and aluminum suggests that's not the entirety of their goal.

              But even if the goal is to reduce tariffs, we have to do a risk analysis. What will we lose in a trade war and what are we likely to gain? Are they setting an impossibly high standard for offers they will accept to drop tariffs? Is that why they've not accepted any offers yet?

              Also not implementing this is the most retarded way possible would have been nice. How can anyone guess what will be the tariff situation next week; forget about 4 years from now.

              I also hope they succeed with reducing tariffs (if that is there goal) but right now I think we'll see minimal gains relative to the losses.

              Biden had 4 years to earn his title of being worse. Trump's winning in the quarter-mile time though. Tariffs, Yemen, Iran, deportations without any court review, strong-arming universities, punishing lawyers and making DOGE cuts in what seems to be a blatantly vendetta/partisan way... only 3 months in.

        2. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

          Joe was worse and we cheered him on. Of course we will turn around and assume the worst of anything related to Don. Stop pointing out our hypocrisies! -Lefty shills

    2. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

      "This is one of the many instances where "mercurial asshole" isn't an ideal leadership trait."

      No.
      Sorry this is happening to you Shrike, but this is one of the many instances where "mercurial asshole" IS an ideal leadership trait.

      The bullshit and theft and dickery had to end.

      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

        Shrike claimed at one point to be a banker. If not one of his usual lies he is worried about his grift like all the D.C. fed workers are.

        1. Chupacabra   2 months ago

          I'm guessing he works at a daycare.

          1. Strawmancasmic, Town Drunk and Gay for Booze   2 months ago

            Or a Chuck E Cheese. Or maybe cares for special needs kids. And probably a little league coach and scout master on the side.

        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          Well, he said he 'worked in finance'. Sort of assumed he empties the trash in a bank after everyone went home.
          Sort of like Tony claiming to be an editor; of the "Dog Walkers Weekly" in the River Oaks gated community.

    3. mad.casual   2 months ago

      Well, yes, dipshit. You pull shenanigans with trillions of dollars worth of business transactions, and people get anxious. This is one of the many instances where "mercurial asshole" isn't an ideal leadership trait.

      BOAF SIDEZ! When governors lock down entire states, close ports, and arrest people for going to Church, as long as the market doesn't crash, there's no threat to free trade, and everything is COVID's fault, but if the President imposes billions in tariffs and the market responds with trillions in movements every dollar lost is because The President is mecurial for pursuing the same anti-China, America First policy he's pursued since 2016. Not because the market overreacted.

  7. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    all i'm saying is that if i were on the trading floor of the nyse i'd definitely be pulling the most dramatic "it's over" poses i could in the hopes of making it into the papers

    e.e. cummings here would have a lot of competition.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      Capital letters are white male colonial supremacy.

      1. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

        That's why I always capitalize 'Sarcasmic' and 'Shrike', despite their opposition to it.

  8. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

    Inflation lower than expected

    SO SORRY THIS IS HAPPENING TO YOU, SARCASMIC. Thoughts and prayers.

    1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   2 months ago

      “Oh, are we believing government statistics now”?

    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

      Tariffs got reduced. Which means from sarc/stg logic we are now seeing deflation.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

      WSJ: Consumer prices declined month-over-month in March for the first time in nearly five years.

  9. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

    It's been amazing watching the cognitive dissonance going on.

    Last week there was a set of tariffs. They get raised. Market "craters" (hits 2024 levels).

    75 countries come to negotiations table. Globalists outrage.

    Tariffs get dropped to 10%, higher than last week. Market recovers plus some. Everyone cheers higher tariffs than last week. Countries continue to negotiate lower reciprocal tariffs. Globalists still outraged the strategy may work.

    Media pivots to saying it was due to the bind Market. Democrats scream insider trading. Globalists pivot to worrying about China.

    It is amazing all the sides who pretended to be free market complain we may end all of this at a more globally free market with lower average tariffs, excluding the worst free market actor in China.

    What a wild an hilarious week.

    Oh. And don't forget all the cries about penguins.

    1. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

      It's been amazing watching the cognitive dissonance going on.

      You put your phone in selfie mode?

      1. Truthfulness   2 months ago

        Suck it up and take the L. Everything you were fearing about didn't happen. You can't even provide an argument.

    2. Ska   2 months ago

      In the immortal words of Winston Wolf, "Well, let's not start sucking each other's dicks just yet."

      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

        The one fact I know is the market prior to last week was not free and was not ideal.

        I'm willing to try to fix it instead of lying about it being a free market. All the second and third order costs were causing a much declined society. Increased welfare, increased dependency on credit, constant market disruptions through asymmetrical trade, offshoring work while importing workers, ever growing debt largely driven from welfare and interest.

        The shit was failing.

        Sometimes you have to cut into the patient to get to the cancer.

    3. mad.casual   2 months ago

      Tariffs get dropped to 10%, higher than last week. Market recovers plus some. Everyone cheers higher tariffs than last week. Countries continue to negotiate lower reciprocal tariffs. Globalists still outraged the strategy may work.

      And, again, if you're over the age of about 10, this is within living memory of Governors literally shutting down ports, hospitals, and grocery stores for 'two weeks' and, rather than everyone screeching about "MUH FREE TRAYED!" and "MUH ADDED KOSTS!", everyone nodding at each other and saying "We're all in this together.", "Supply chains, amiright?", and "OK, we overreacted. But can you blame us. Give us some amnesty wouldja?"

  10. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    (Who is the they that wanted the market crashed?)

    The pajama class, I assume. The same group seemingly addicted to COVID pr0n.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

      I saw some snippet of a DEI meeting (I can't recall exactly, some school board members or something like that) yesterday. One of the people was DOUBLE-MASKED...but I think his outer mask--a rainbow mask--was just for virtue signaling his intersectionality. The inner mask was virtue signaling something else.

      1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

        Probably a strap-on, inverted so that it functioned more like a pacifier.

    2. Randy Sax   2 months ago

      Whenever I see someone in public with a mask he/she/it always has green hair, 80lbs overweight, and 20 face piercings.

      1. Zeb   2 months ago

        I still see young, apparently healthy people in masks too.

        1. mamabug   2 months ago

          For some that is because they came to like the anonymity of it.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        I see mostly women, and some indeterminate genders.

  11. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

    A third of community college enrollments in California may be fake to get tuition money.

    https://calmatters.org/education/higher-education/2025/04/financial-aid-fraud-2/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=WhatMatters&utm_source=31&utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=State%20Farm%20begins%20first-of-its-kind%20insurance%20rate%20hearing%20today&utm_campaign=WhatMatters

    1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

      A district court judge will be along momentarily to issue nationwide injunction to prevent basic fraud protection measure from being enacted.

      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

        California is trying to blame the attacks against the DoEd despite this going on for years.

    2. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

      California community colleges receive funding based on enrollment. Fakes students "enroll" to receive aid. College gets more money. Dig deeper into who the fake students are, and where that money is ending up? Who thinks those college administrators actually give a flying fuck about where "free money" from the federal government is ending up?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        No, they care deeply where the money ends up (in their bursars office, and then their payroll). But they don't care where the money comes from, and how.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 months ago

          No, they care deeply where the money ends up (in their bursars office, and then their payroll).

          Pretty much this. A bunch of make-work jobs for social justice grads that are otherwise unemployable outside of grifter NGOs, which they then use to be paid marxist political activists with taxpayer dollars.

        2. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

          in their bursars office, and then their payroll

          I assume that is still where the money ends up. Just a little double dipping.

    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

      Ahh, following more of the China plan. Limit births while overcounting enrollment in schools.

      1. mad.casual   2 months ago

        Again, the next Norman Borlaug or Mahatma Ghandi will have to compete with a billion fake Chinese and Diverse-American propping up teacher's unions and DEI administrators in order to get a college education, but the real threat to global unrealized potential gains is the 10% marginal losses of comparative advantage between on/offshorings.

        1. rbike   2 months ago

          Latest I have heard is that they are down to as few as 300 million. That is probably reverse (anti China) propaganda, but I would believe less than a billion.

  12. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

    House passes bill restricting district court judges from issuing nationwide injunctions

    Again, SO SORRY THIS IS HAPPENING TO YOU, SARCASMIC. Thoughts and prayers.

    1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   2 months ago

      Did congress get permission from the courts to do this?

      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

        Did courts get permission from the deep state?

        1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

          We’ll find out soon enough.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

            What time is it in Brussels and Davos?

    2. Randy Sax   2 months ago

      Sad. I really liked all the "District judge rules Trump has to send the stranded astronauts back to space." memes.

      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

        Dont worry. Some inferior court judge would issue a TRO against this law.

    3. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

      Judges issued six nationwide injunctions during President George W. Bush’s administration, according to an analysis published in the Harvard Law Review. The number doubled to 12 during the Obama administration before skyrocketing to 64 during Trump’s first term. ... During the Biden administration, the number of nationwide injunctions fell back to 14, a figure that has already been surpassed in a matter of weeks in the second Trump administration.

      6>12>64!>14>14+ in 2 months... Democrats sure like to piss on people and tell them it's raining.

      1. Eeyore   2 months ago

        I thought the rain smelled funny.

  13. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

    Moved

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      To Canadia?

  14. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    The outcome is a brutal blow for House GOP leaders and President Donald Trump, who have spent days trying to wrangle the votes for the fiscal blueprint.

    Throw it in a defense omnibus or some shit.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      Mmmm, pork.

  15. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    " people-to-people links forged over decades at businesses and universities "

    Call me paranoid or a sinophobe, but while I'm sure there are any number of legitimate and genuine personal attachments, I'm afraid I turn a jaded eye on any Chinese nationals' (even if naturalized US citizens) motives. This is based on work exposure, a long list of Chinse-related spying and industrial espionage, IP theft, things like Chinese police stations in major US cities...

    At the same time, I'm pretty certain that a large number of the Chinese "spys" are wonderful people who are forced to be "spies" by threats against them and their families. CCP doesn't play games.

    1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

      Yes, any Chinese national in the country with family back in China can at any time get a message through WeChat with instructions from CCP.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Any from Manchuria?

    2. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

      Yeah. Chinese people aren't bad people, or at least, any worse than any other people. The Chinese government though, definitely among the worst. Just ask every other country near China how they feel about China.

      1. Randy Sax   2 months ago

        True Korea seems pretty buddy-buddy with Gina.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

      Just in the last week or so:

      https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/31/fbi-searches-xiaofeng-wang-homes-indiana-university-cyrptography-computer.html

      Indiana University fired computer science professor XiaoFeng Wang on the same day FBI agents executed search warrants at two homes owned by Wang and his wife, his union revealed.
      The university removed the online profiles of both Wang, who has researched cryptography, privacy and cybersecurity, and Nianli Ma, an IU library systems analyst.
      Wang's work at the university's Luddy School of Informatics, Computing and Engineering has been funded by multiple federal government agencies.
      A criminal defense lawyer who worked on the federal criminal investigation of then-President Bill Clinton was at the couple's Carmel home when FBI agents searched it.

      And

      US army soldiers accused of selling military secrets to buyers in China

      https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/07/us/us-army-soldiers-sell-military-secrets-buyers-china-hnk/index.html

      Two US Army soldiers and a former soldier were arrested Thursday, accused in indictments of selling military secrets to buyers in China, according to the Department of Justice.

      The two US Army active-duty soldiers were identified as Jian Zhao and Li Tian, stationed at Joint Base Lewis-McChord, in Washington state. Zhao, a battery supply sergeant was assigned to the 17th Field Artillery Brigade and Tian is a health services administrator.

      The former soldier, Ruoyu Duan of Hillsboro, Oregon, served in the Army from 2013 to 2017.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        "Two US Army soldiers and a former soldier were arrested Thursday, accused in indictments of selling military secrets to buyers in China"

        MORE TARIFFS ON MILITARY SECRET SALES!

  16. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

    Look at who is the latest contributors to Tge Bulwark, scary poppins!

    https://www.thebulwark.com/p/republicans-are-obsessed-with-a-censorship-lie-twitter-files-taibbi-goebbels

    Here with claiming the censorship industry is fake.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

      Wow she is a cunt

      1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   2 months ago

        We dodged a bullet with that one.

        1. Randy Sax   2 months ago

          I wouldn't say it like that. It wasn't a dodged bullet. It was one of the few times in recent history I had faith in the American public. people hated it and fought back deliberately. Complacency would have let it happen.

    2. Overt   2 months ago

      Yes it is absolutely ghoulish that the MEDIA is lining up behind the notion that the massive censorship regime revealed in the Biden Whitehouse was some sort of conspiracy theory. These people are selling out their own industry for Team Blue. It is incredibly short sided.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcasia’s disloyal opposition)   2 months ago

        It’s partially due to the fact that they were in on it. The censorship would quashed any contradictory information to their messaging, meaning that their message is the only valid one to get out. Information is power, folks, and they think they’re the gatekeepers of information.

        1. mamabug   2 months ago

          to be fair, modern day journalists are mostly 2nd-3rd generation elites who wanted a career that gave lots of prestige for little work.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        FYI

        The 21st century definition of conspiracy: a substantially true interpretation that is at first loudly denied by Democrats and their pet media, but several months later is quietly confirmed and ignored.

      3. Rick James   2 months ago

        And short sighted!

        1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

          I C what you did there.

    3. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

      Not even pretending anymore.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Isn't propaganda a kind of pretending?

        1. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

          Sometimes it's actually sincere.

    4. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

      Nina Fucking Jankowicz is writing in Buttplug's favorite Neocon rag now.

      This is his serendipity.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        I think he renamed his favorite butt plug Nina Fucking Jankowicz.

        1. Eeyore   2 months ago

          Nina is a good pet name for a butt plug. The bad news is that the Nina is just to get you ready to take the Pinta full bore.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcasia’s disloyal opposition)   2 months ago

            Oh, Santa Maria!

  17. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    President Donald Trump on Wednesday paused for 90 days many tariffs but is not halting 25% tariffs on automotive imports and looming tariffs on auto parts, drawing criticism from Michigan business and auto groups...

    Including the UAW?

  18. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    The guests at White Lotus resorts arrive and leave by boat, a fact I've come to believe has some kind of mythological significance...

    Yes, because they're all dead and this is the afterlife. Has no one ever even seen Lost?

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

      I prefer to watch shows where the writers know what's going on

      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

        Robby Suave would like you to catch him outside.

    2. Randy Sax   2 months ago

      Is the show any good? Or should I just rewatch all of Firefly again?

      1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

        Just started season one. Some dark, awkward humor, pretty funny if you’re into that. Seems to have a lot of messages about overcoming personal weaknesses and interpersonal conflict, but I’m not far enough in to confirm that.

        Good parody of a lot of woke shit.

        Also Alexandra Daddario in a bikini in several scenes, and that Sweeny chic, although not as much.

      2. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

        I generally enjoyed it but I can only say it's probably not for everyone. You can't go wrong with Firefly, however. In lieu of that, do The Expanse.

        1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

          Enjoyed The Expanse as well, although the main male character is an awful actor. One of those shows I was actually hoping for a spinoff when it ended. A lot of potential stories within that universe.

    3. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

      Yes, because they're all dead and this is the afterlife. Has no one ever even seen Lost?

      Jeez, spoiler alert. I was thinking that I might watch it sometime in the next 10 years.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

        Technically nothing is spoiled because I have no fucking clue what that ending was supposed to tell us.

  19. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

    Democrats are absolutely terrified of Elon looking into Social Security.

    Rep. Pramila Jayapal
    @RepJayapal
    Social Security is not a tech company. 73 MILLION Americans depend on those checks. The power of the people forced DOGE--the Department of Greed and Ego--to retreat from one of its many royal screw-ups.
    But Musk's end goal is the same as ever in his words: "eliminate" it. Our answer: HELL NO.

    1. Social Justice is neither   2 months ago

      Gotta wonder how many of the millions of illegals aliens with SS cards are really just strawmen for funding Democrat campaigns.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

        What was the recent DOGE finding that 2.5M illegal aliens got issued SS#s under Biden.

        1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

          Yeap. And accessing at least medicaid and food programs. They've confirmed that. They also confirmed many registered to vote and some voted.

          1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

            That can't be. I've seen numerous fact checks that say that illegal aliens are ineligible for SS# and Medicaid. Always the "bend-over-backwards" pedantry. Just because someone is "not eligible for" a program does not mean they are not accessing the program fraudulently.

            https://www.factcheck.org/2024/04/posts-misrepresent-immigrants-eligibility-for-social-security-numbers-benefits/

            Immigrants who are lawfully living or authorized to work in the U.S. are eligible for a Social Security number and, in some cases, Social Security benefits. But viral posts make the false claim that “illegal immigrants” can receive Social Security numbers and retirement benefits, and they confuse two programs managed by the Social Security Administration.

            https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-are-immigrants-getting-social-security-1918611

            Immigrants living in the country illegally are not eligible for Social Security retirement benefits, but those who entered the U.S. illegally before receiving temporary permission to stay may be eligible for Supplemental Security Income benefits if they meet certain criteria. SSI benefits are distributed to people who have little or no income or resources, a disability, blindness, or attained the age of 65 or older.

            https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-social-security-number-border-552180846074

            AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. Border Patrol does not give Social Security numbers to immigrants who cross the border, nor does it have the authority to, a spokesperson for the agency told The Associated Press. Immigrants living in the U.S. illegally aren’t eligible for Social Security numbers unless they meet certain criteria, experts say.

            1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

              Their slight of hand is the SSN is issued after 6 months post asylum claims. They dont consider them true illegals. Despite the Biden policy of pushing for all illegals to claim asylum.

              Just ignore the vast majority of asylum claims are rejected... 6 years after made.

            2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

              They are stuck on the "It's not happening!" stage.

        2. Rick James   2 months ago

          There's no way it was only 2.5 million.

    2. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   2 months ago

      We may have found the real honeypot.

    3. Randy Sax   2 months ago

      What's realistically the best way to faze out social security? I doubt just ending it all at once would go down verry well. Maybe an opt-out? Individuals can forfeit all rights to social security when you retire and in exchange you can stop paying into it now?

      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

        I'd let them keep what I've paid in and will continue to let them take the employer portion if I can keep my portion and let my 401k/IRA be tax free on withdrawal. Have a mix of pre tax and post tax contributions due to current salary.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        I still like the Hunger Games bounty plan, where any senior gets to keep 10% of the retirement benefits of any other senior they "retire". That should thin the herd faster.

        1. Randy Sax   2 months ago

          Bring back covid.

          1. Truthfulness   2 months ago

            Go tell China.

      3. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

        Scrap Social Security and replace it with a means-tested welfare program for the lower-income, lower-wealth elderly. Yes, end it all at once. No, that won't go over well. One way or another, people who have paid in are going to get screwed. Rip the bandage off.

    4. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

      1/5th of Americans depend on SS... Better send more money to Ukraine.

      Why do 1/5th of Americans (we're so great that we have a massive service economy and don't make shit) depend on SS?
      *screeeee* Trump's trying to take away your SS!!!! -sarjeff

      1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   2 months ago

        It’s not possible for everyone to make a high income.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

          Nuh uh. Just set minimum wage at $100 per hour.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

        Just for fun compare the population living in poverty before Great Society welfare programs, and the percent of the population living in poverty since they started. You'll see a slight decrease at the onset, followed by basically a flat line for the last 50 years, despite pouring trillions of dollars into the pot.

        E.g.,

        https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/USA/united-states/poverty-rate

        1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

          Crazy how medians are always roughly in the middle. No one could have known.

        2. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

          Poverty is relative. Today's "poverty" is not your grandpa's poverty.

          1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

            That's kind of the point. We keep redefining what "poverty" is and not just the tautology that results if you say "poverty is the lowest 20% of income". Today, poverty means something a lot more like "living typical lower-middle-class lifestyle": people "living in poverty" have TVs, kitchen appliances (dishwasher), laptop computers, video games, cell phones, air-conditioning, car(s), fast-food, far more food calories than are healthy. Sure there's the homeless, but we're subsidizing this lifestyle, a lifestyle that wasn't even available to the pretty-darn well-off townfolk 50 or 60 years ago.

            If you ask a person "define poverty" their words almost certainly do not describe the typical "living in poverty" household.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

              Yes. And activist nanny assholes also move the goalposts to the next county by switching from actual, physical event, like hunger (Last week, how many meals did you skip?) to emotional events, like food insecurity (Last week, how many times were you not sure about getting something to eat)? Given how arbitrary and suggestible people are, we can never eliminate "insecurity".

              1. Jefferson Paul   2 months ago

                It's kind of like the games they played with the widely-reported survey of women in college, concluding that one in five women experience sexual assault or rape. When you look at the questions asked, they also included having "regrettable sex" with SA/rape. So one in five women responded that they have experienced SA, rape, OR regrettable sex. Wow. Way to skew the results. But that was the point, so the media can claim SA/rape is so rampant in our "rape culture" that it happens to 20+% of the population of women.

                It would be like a survey that asks if customers of X restaurant ever got food poisoning or just regretted eating there. Media headline: 20% of customers of X restaurant got food poisoning. Perhaps 1% of respondents got food poisoning, and the other 19% just didn't like the meal.

  20. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    "Who is the they that wanted the market crashed?"

    You don't watch Morning Joe? Mika and Joe showed off the newspapers with headlines about tanking economy, Trump's wrecking the world, and it was like "What, the market is UP today? Well, what are we going to talk about for the next hour..."

    Maybe they didn't WANT the market to crash, per se, but they were fully prepared to revel in the mess.

    1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   2 months ago

      Everyone forgot about the money they “lost” during the Covid hysteria.

    2. Super Scary   2 months ago

      It's been my experience that anytime someone asks "Who do you mean by 'they'?" they know exactly who the other person is talking about.

  21. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    ...this does look like a case where the child was gender-questioning, and the teacher chose to affirm that in the classroom. I'm sorry if this makes me a bad libertarian, but I have no problem with the firing or the law.

    Is this enough to allow Elizabeth's return to the Based Club? You tell me.

    1. Randy Sax   2 months ago

      I don't know. The article where she didn't like the gibli deportation meme was pretty anti-based.

    2. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

      No, it's not enough to redeem Just-about-as-awful-as-ENB Liz.

    3. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

      She remains on probation.

    4. Rick James   2 months ago

      It gets her in the 'standing on the sidelines but tentatively raising a hand to ask a question' club.

  22. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

    Who is Steven Horsford‘s sock?

    https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1910055691907182686

    1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   2 months ago

      What a man child.

      1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

        What a man child. FTFY

        Don't expect more from a Leftist.

    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

      Standard globalist.

    3. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

      That could be about three or four of them here. Boehm, Sullum, Tucielle and Lancaster also fit.

  23. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Tuesday, the Trump administration froze over $1 billion of Cornell's federal funding and $790 million of Northwestern's, citing civil rights investigations.

    How about we start freezing this funding because WE CAN'T FUCKING AFFORD IT.

    1. Longtobefree   2 months ago

      Or a really, really crazy thought; eliminate, not freeze, all funding to all colleges because it is unconstitutional.

      1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

        Hear hear!

      2. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

        Why do you want to murder professors?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

          Are any of them grandmas?

        2. Randy Sax   2 months ago

          Or take their bike locks away. That's just as bad.

  24. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    "These guests are never simply going on vacation. Rather, they're entering some kind of magical-realist hinterland where they're tormented by different iterations of fate, pride, vanity, and greed, a ritualistic evisceration accompanied by pool drinks and a spectacular breakfast buffet."

    So, Fantasy Island, but with a boat instead of "de plane!"?

    Never watched this White Lotus show.

  25. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    Still curious about how Reason uses the term "free trade" to mean exchanges with other nations that have significant self-serving trade barriers, as well as other negative impacts.

    1. Zeb   2 months ago

      Sure, the ideal of free trade is no one putting up barriers to trade. But that's probably never going to happen, and is largely out of the control of our or any other government. So what's the next best thing? One might argue that our government should in general not interfere with the decisions individuals or businesses make about whom to trade with.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        I get that. But what would you have told people trading with German companies in 1938?

        1. Zeb   2 months ago

          I can accept that there need to be restrictions on trading with actual enemies.

      2. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

        and is largely out of the control of our or any other government

        Who, besides governments, has any control of barriers to international trade? Governments are the #1 installer and maintainer of trade barriers.

        1. Zeb   2 months ago

          Of course. But no government has much control over the others. I'm not saying they shouldn't try to negotiate for better, freer trade. But, at least from a libertarian, individualist point of view, you need to balance that against the infringements of the freedom of Americans to trade and do business as they see fit.

          1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

            You won't be going to jail for continuing to buy less-cheap-but-still-cheap garbage from China.

          2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

            Does government have a diry to protect property rights in libertarian idoelogy? I believe it does. And a lot of those rights are openly violated by actors like China. Economic responses are better than warfare in my opinion.

  26. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    Sure, burn down the universities, but build something better in their ashes.

    Trade schools and apprenticeships.

    1. Longtobefree   2 months ago

      A bill board explaining how every global climate warming change model has been proven wrong?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Nah, the hobo professors living in the campus ruins would just paint it over with a message blaming the fire on The Climate Change.

        1. Randy Sax   2 months ago

          Build a wall around Columbia and let them fend for themselves. Escape from New York style.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

            But this time Snake Plissken is a fat black trans woman with a lisp who just shoots everyone.

  27. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

    Article I, Section 8, Clause 1:

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises,

    No Taxation without Representation!

    1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

      But Congress delegated certain powers. Whether this was constitutional or not is certainly debatable, but the laws as written do seem to support the ability of the President to do what he's doing (although there may also be some overriding treaty agreements that should prevent some of the actions).

      https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/how-congress-delegates-its-tariff-powers-to-the-president#:~:text=The%20Constitution%20actually%20grants%20Congress%20the%20power%20to,are%20placed%20on%20goods%20entering%20the%20United%20States.

      Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 has been used by the first and second Trump administrations for steel and aluminum imports. It authorizes the president to ask the Secretary of Commerce to determine if goods are being imported in manner that threatens national security. The secretary then reports back to the president if he has any affirmative findings. “Section 232 does not require the President to follow the Secretary’s recommendations but permits him to take alternative actions or no action,” the CRS says. Under Section 232, there is no maximum time limit on the president’s tariff actions.

      Among the three provisions that allow the president to act on his own to impose tariffs without an investigation, only one has ever been used: the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977. The act allows the president to declare an emergency under the National Emergency Act (NEA) and then use his extensive economic powers to regulate or prohibit imports. The CRS says that President Trump was the first chief executive to use this act in February 2025, when he announced tariffs on Canada, China, and Mexico. The emergency stated by the president can be terminated at this request, or by a joint resolution of Congress.

      Section 122 of the Trade Act of 1974, which allows the president to enact temporary tariffs to address “large and serious United States balance-of-payments deficits” or certain other situations that present "fundamental international payments problems; and Section 338 of Tariff Act of 1930, which authorizes the president to enact “tariffs on articles produced by, or imported on the vessels of, foreign countries that discriminate against U.S. commerce in certain ways,” have not yet been used.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

        A law repugnant to the Constitution is void.

        -Madison v Marbury

        Let me know when they pass an amendment to the Constitution. That is the only way to change it.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

          I get it. Which is why I said "Whether this was constitutional or not is certainly debatable".

          But SCOTUS has ruled over and over again that Congress can delegate some powers. From the same source 'In Wayman v. Southard (1825), Marshall noted that Congress could not delegate powers “that are strictly and exclusively legislative.” But Congress had the ability to grant other powers as needed.

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

            I get it too, I know Congress has passed bullshit laws.

            The President shouldn't levy taxes. Full stop, no ifs ands or buts about it. It is an afront to Liberty, going back to the Magna Carta.

            1. mad.casual   2 months ago

              Congress has passed some bullshit laws *and* your average citizen dreams up even more bullshit laws for even more bullshit reasons every day.

              For instance, the Magna Carta doesn't ban tariffs. The ban on taxation from the king was because of the ubiquity of the tax, despite your dishonesty, tariffs are specifically not ubiquitous. If such a conflation were invariably true or unquestioned, it becomes pretty obvious that people throwing the East India Company's (customer's) tea in the harbor were just filthy anti-globalist protectionists.

              Moreover wishes for liberty and cries for principles, even supported by violence, doesn't stop Xerxes army from marching over the bodies of dead Spartans even if the Spartans did slow them down for a little bit.

      2. Zeb   2 months ago

        Another problem here is using "national security" as a blanket excuse for the tariffs. Maybe there's something there when it comes to China. But buying fucking lumber from Canada, or cars from Europe is not a national security issue and it is misuse of the law to claim it is. Emergency powers should be used for emergencies (and be a lot more limited than they are). Trade shenanigans that have been going on for decades may be a problem, but it's not an emergency. There is plenty of time for congress to deliberate and decide on a policy.

        1. mad.casual   2 months ago

          There is plenty of time for congress to deliberate and decide on a policy.

          Not to disagree on the emergency aspect but this assumes that the Congress that knowingly mortgaged us into this mess (and likely would've gone further) isn't intentionally or systematically doing so.

    2. sarcasmic   2 months ago

      How dare the Constitution contradict Trump! It must be leftist!

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcasia’s disloyal opposition)   2 months ago

        Go read MO’s comment first before you go off and make a total retard of yourself, Sarc.

        1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

          Haha, good one.

      2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

        What part of the constitution molly?

      3. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

        The Constitution doesn't contradict Trump, nor Trump it.

        Best leave your MSNBC talking points in the bathroom where they belong, before you come to to tussle with the mean girls, Sarckles.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

          But isn't it encouraging to see all the leftists who have rediscovered the Constitution?

      4. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

        Poor sarcbot.

    3. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

      No Taxation without Representation!

      What a silly, facile statement.

      You didn't vote in 2024?

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

        Are you suggesting Donald Trump ran for Congress? Now that's silly.

        1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

          Are you suggesting that the elected Congress didn't delegate their responsibilities to the ELECTED President? That's just silly.

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

            No, I am stating they have no authority to alter the constitution by passing a law. That they must pass an amendment, it's why the founders put in place Article 5 in the Constitution.

            1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

              Stating something that seems to be in opposition with SCOTUS' past rulings is worth as much as shitting in your hand and calling it gold.

              Convince your representatives to take their jobs back. Until then, check your hypocrisy at the door.

      2. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

        “silly, facile statement”

        Tariffs are the new abortion are the new Ukraine.

        1. Zeb   2 months ago

          Yes, in the sense that it's a polarizing issue. And yes, some people make silly, facile arguments about it. But it's also a real issue where there is legitimate disagreement among people who know what they are talking about. To dismiss arguments against tariffs because some people are idiots is a silly, facile argument.

          1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

            There's no argument to dismiss. Y'all say "Trump can only do what Congress allows", and then complain that "Trump is doing what Congress allows". Nonsense.

            Why are we here now? Because Congress cares more about re-election than doing their jobs.

            1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

              Care to point me to where I've made such arguments?

              I'm on the record agreeing with DOGE and Trump in cutting government. Namely on the same reasoning as above, that Congress never had the authority to create agencies like the Dept of Ed and that Trump is upholding his oath to the Constitution by trying to get rid of them.

              I also don't care about his deporting efforts to date outside of making sure an American doesn't get deported like Obama did.

              Seems like you are arguing with someone other then me.

              1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

                Seems like you are arguing with someone other then me.

                It's possible. It seems your ire is sorely misplaced then.

                1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

                  Nope, not misplaced. You're the ignorant jackass who call the Sons of Liberty's rallying cry a silly, facile statement.. And not really ire as much as revulsion at the lack of intelligence you displayed. I expect the "You didn't vote in 2024? comment from the same people who think the 1619 Project is historical accurate, worthy to be taught in schools.

                  1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

                    Says the ignorant jackass trying to apply the rallying cry to tariffs today? Congress, who was elected, voted to delegate their powers to the President, who was also elected. So, yes, you do the Sons of Liberty a dishonor by misusing their rallying cry.

                    Fucking moron.

            2. Zeb   2 months ago

              Who is "y'all"? I speak only for myself. I never said "Trump can only do what congress allows". The president does have some powers of his own. The question (to me) is whether congress can constitutionally delegate setting tax policy to the president.

          2. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

            Agree. Just pointing out that these topics seem to bring out the most silly, facile arguments, particularly from people that don’t otherwise do so for other topics.

            See: PENGUINS!!!

        2. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

          I guess that its good(?) that I got in on the ground floor and said the same when GW Bush, Obama and Biden all also did this.

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      Uh, sure. But how about no representation without taxation?

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

        I'm not AnCap, yet.

  28. Fist of Etiquette   2 months ago

    From 1917 to 1926 clock factories hired around 4,000 people to paint the dials of watches with radium paint, so they would glow in the dark.

    A lot of them were women.

    I assume eventually we'll also be talking about the radium boys, then?

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcasia’s disloyal opposition)   2 months ago

      The vast majority of them were women as they were perceived as being able to paint small areas effectively with their smaller hands. They would even go so far as to lick the brushes and paint their nails with the radium paint. I guess glow in the dark nails must’ve seemed cool to them.

      1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

        I guess glow in the dark nails must’ve seemed cool to them.

        Who wouldn't think glow in the dark nails were cool, back then? Definitely not now, or me. Wait, what were we talking about?

        1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

          Far. Out. Man.

      2. rbike   2 months ago

        Apparently the big issue was that managers recommended setting the brush top by licking to get a fiber line. Ooops.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      What about transuranic boys?

      1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

        Don't give jeffsarc any ideas.

  29. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

    (Who is the they that wanted the market crashed?)

    Playing dumb is not a good look Liz.

    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

      I want to know who thinks that was actually a crash. Was similar to other corrections like 2022.

    2. Quicktown Brix   2 months ago

      Who is the they that wanted the market crashed?

      Whoever is trading today apparently.

  30. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

    Trump signs a presidential memorandum stripping Miles Taylor--aka the New York Times' "Anonymous"-- which strips him of any remaining security clearance and orders DOJ to investigate his activities.

    Of all the many media hoaxes, the one I laugh about the most was when the New York Times assured us "anonymous" was a HUGE, Cabinet Secretary-level figure and it turned out that they were 1000% lying and it was Miles Taylor, IV. Someone wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy down the DHS food chain

    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

      Removing clearances is revenge and worse than locking up your political opponents. - sarc

      1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

        It’s not ok because democrats did it first.

  31. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

    Who is the they that wanted the market crashed?

    Why don't you spend some more time doing actual journalism and put some effort into answering (and shedding light on the answer to) this question?

  32. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

    So we want to be economically interdependent with an ideologically authoritarian regime which is known for extensive human rights abuses in order to prevent war?

    You do realize that really only works to a point, and we may be crippled when China does find something worth risking a war over?

    Germany and the Soviet Union were actually fairly well interdependent up until 1940.

    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

      Hey man. The iran peace deal made the ME a utopia before trump canceled it.

  33. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    A question for Liz (and any other libertarian-aspiring Reason staff): given the wild and crazy Trump approach--and outcomes or trends--so far, would you rather revert to the Democratic program, with its globalist WEF-managed economies and societies, spiced with woke insanity and incessant identity politics?

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcasia’s disloyal opposition)   2 months ago

      It gives the appearance that KMW, Sullum (aka Batshit) and his sidekick Boehm (aka Rotten), as well as a few other Beltway Reasonistas would prefer it.

      1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

        Not an appearance at this point.

    2. Mickey Rat   2 months ago

      Does it seem to you they really object much to Woke insanity and identity politics?

      They seem to embrace much of it, especially the alphabet identities.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcasia’s disloyal opposition)   2 months ago

        I figure that they figure so far as they get their weed, psychedelics, food trucks, ass sex, and tariff free cheap shit, they’re fine with the rest of it. They aren’t so much libertarian as liberal-tarian or libertine.

  34. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

    House Republican leaders canceled a vote on the Senate's budget resolution Wednesday night, as Speaker Mike Johnson came to terms with what had been clear for many hours: Too many Republicans would vote in opposition and the measure was bound to fail

    Good. Fuck you, cut spending.

    1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

      Shoot Mike Johnson out of a cannon.

  35. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

    Maybe Tim Walz was DOL this whole time?

    Tim Walz was heckled and booed by military veterans in Minnesota today over his stolen valor.

    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

      Good call back.

      But he proved he had valor by posting a picture of a coin you can buy online weeks after we called him out.

      1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

        Just came to me, maybe now he’s a fake attorney?

        1. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

          He might be. He's also KAR too, I suspect. I got in an email tussle with Stolen Valor once when I challenged him on his stolen valor, and he demanded reciprocal proof of my identity if he was to provide proof of his service. And there's stuff from that exchange he's later brought up as KAR that was never said here in the comments. Specifically the town I live in.

          Anyway, TLDR. DOL is still actively trolling the comments under different names.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   2 months ago

            he demanded reciprocal proof of my identity

            Fuckin' seriously? He couldn't figure that out from the email address alone?

  36. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

    It's unclear whether the administration will grant them such waivers.

    Please, sir, can I have some more

  37. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

    Who is the they that wanted the market crashed?

    Peter Navarro; socialist hate capitalism.

  38. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

    Anyone who believes that Trump's 90-day tariff suspension was a knee jerk reaction to the drop in the capital markets must necessarily also believe that Trump was totally surprised by that drop and did not fully anticipate it.

    If you believe Trump did not know how the capital markets would respond, you are as stupid as you falsely imagine Trump is.

    Bingo. He, Bessent, Lutnick and Navarro clearly modeled out the various scenarios.

    Ultimately tariffs are a high stakes carrot or stick negotiation, a style Foggy Bottom and the rest of the globalists have zero concept of-- but the business world thrives on.

  39. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

    "Sure, burn down the universities, but build something better in their ashes."

    Not the job of the federal government.

    Fuck you, cut spending.

    Sad that this take follows Liz's only Libertarian take. "Hey teachers, leave those kids alone."

  40. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   2 months ago

    I wonder if reason will post stories on trump getting rid of Biden era ATF totalitarian regulations, or about the senate voting to stop giving the tali an $40 million a week. Or is that too local

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcasia’s disloyal opposition)   2 months ago

      Too local.

    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

      They had 1 single article post election about the 5T in regulations that accrued under Biden. They won't start talking about the deregulstory state now. Regulations don't effect prices, only tariffs do.

  41. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

    Trump just forced 75+ countries to the negotiating table to fix our trade deficits on a tight timeline
    That’s a huge win

    But for your comedic interests, here is a clown take:

    Peter Schiff @PeterSchiff
    It looks like Trump has already surrendered in what may go down as the shortest global trade war in history. I guess once he saw how badly the U.S. was losing, he needed to find a graceful way to save face.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcasia’s disloyal opposition)   2 months ago

      Caturd’s response to Peter Schiff is funny. Peter also needs to be contacted by Retard Finder.

    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

      I do enjoy the higher 10% tariffs currently being an act of surrender according to democrats. But they realize they are talking to convince the idiots. Have quite a few of them here.

  42. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    'Who is the they that wanted the market crashed?'

    Let' see:
    Dedicated socialists and communists
    Democrats hoping for mid-term victories
    Aggressive investors making big short bets
    Anyone with level 3 or higher TDS
    others?

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 months ago

      Tim Walz.

  43. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

    Liberals Devastated As Stock Market Recovers

    SO SORRY THIS IS HAPPENING TO YOU, SARCASMIC. Thoughts and prayers.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcasia’s disloyal opposition)   2 months ago

      He and Pluggo will still find their spin on it.

    2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

      Don't leave out SGT and his penguins.

  44. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

    Jessica Tarlov
    @JessicaTarlov
    Trump caved. Carry on with your day.

    Yes, totally caved by... *checks notes*.... successfully using his leverage to bring the nations of the world to the negotiating table for fairer trade deals while realigning global trade against China.

    1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

      Their heads would explode if they were to admit the truth.

    2. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

      Me and the wife watch the 5 sometimes while making dinner. She is dumb as a box of rocks.

      1. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

        Tarlov, not your wife, right?

        1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

          Lol, yeah.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 months ago

        My wife hates this chick and I keep telling her she's just doing what she's paid to do. Fox always hires the dumbest token liberal they can find.

        1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

          I actually like Harold Ford Jr, even though I don’t agree with him on much. I wish they just had him every day. Before Trump ruined their brain I used to flip to Morning Joe once in awhile and he was on there.

          1. mamabug   2 months ago

            Yeah, Harold's pretty good. He is the type of old school liberal I actually respected back in the 80s.

  45. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

    "Sure, burn down the universities, but build something better in their ashes."

    Not the job of the government. I look forward to the day, Musk U defeats Duke U in the NCAA championship.

  46. McCult   2 months ago

    So I guess we’re taking “it was all just a negotiating tactic” from the excuse grab bag, and not “we’re doing it for the revenue” or “these will replace income tax.” Then again, it’s (supposedly) just a 90-day pause, so there’s plenty of time to come up with a new explanation by July for Liberation Day 2: Independence Day.

    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

      So sorry your globalist lies turned out wrong again. So sorry that you may end up with lower average tariffs globally.

      1. McCult   2 months ago

        Ah, so the goal was to LOWER tariffs. So they’re not good, then…? This 4D chess is getting confusing.

        1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

          The goal is to lower tariffs ideally to zero, use modest tariffs to replace the income tax, or use high tariffs to encourage onshoring of manufacturing jobs. It all depends on who Trump and his defenders are lying to at the time.

          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

            Or you could actually listen to him or Bessent. They have plenty of public speeches.

            Then again you're now pro raised income taxes over consumption taxes.

            There can be multiple goals dependent on phase of implementation. Your goal seems to be solely raising taxes and pushing dem talking points.

            Example. You screaming stock market yesterday but not today.

            1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

              “Or you could actually listen to him or Bessent.”

              HAHAHAHA! Good one.

        2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

          Yes. He has been clear about that since his first term retard.

          It is amazing how most of you revel in ignorance and MSNBC narratives.

          Lower tariffs domestically and foreign.

          What the fuck do you think the negotiations are about?

          Some of you really love proving your intentional ignorance.

        3. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcasia’s disloyal opposition)   2 months ago

          And whose sock are you?

          1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

            Thinking SGT who got embarrassed about his penguins.

          2. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

            Sarc or Buttplug's.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcasia’s disloyal opposition)   2 months ago

              Gotta be someone’s with a name line “McCult”. Those two strike me as most likely due to how they claim the rest of us are in a cult.

              1. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

                It's not Jeffy's MO. Not pretentious enough, and Sarc's been calling people "cultists" with extra-special fervor these last two weeks.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcasia’s disloyal opposition)   2 months ago

                  Tried muting it to see if it’s just some asshole switching names. With McCult muted, Sarc and the others are still unmuted. Could be an older account switching names as why would someone spend 25 bucks just to be a sock?

            2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   2 months ago

              It’s a gray box, so yeah

        4. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          "...This 4D chess is getting confusing..."

          TDS-addled piles of shit are easily confused by checkers, asshole.

        5. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

          I believe you that you’re confused midwit.

    2. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

      McCult, of the Biden clan? You want the door to the left, and don't forget to take your meds.

  47. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    ‘Criminal Contempt’: Fani Willis Under Legal Pressure

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/criminal-contempt-fani-willis-under-legal-pressure/ar-AA1CDukb

    The Georgia Senate Special Committee recently criticized District Attorney Fani Willis over her noncompliance with subpoenas. Willis has faced numerous legal disputes for failing to provide requested documents and testimony related to her investigation of President Donald Trump’s alleged election interference.

    Committee attorney Josh Belinfante reported that Willis’ capacity to challenge the subpoenas has expired. The committee has since set deadlines for her compliance.

    Belinfante said, “That person could be held in criminal contempt.”

    Sen. Greg Dolezal (R-GA) said, “The DA has thumbed her nose at this committee, she has thumbed her nose at Georgia’s open record law, and I just have limited confidence that she’s acting in good faith. So I do believe that we may be at the point that we do need to escalate this to the next step.”

    1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

      Didn’t a judge already give her a spanking for ignoring subpoenas?

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 months ago

        Yes

  48. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    If the order had gone the other way the headline could have been "Judge Delivers Blow to Homeless" and we could have got a chuckle.

    Instead:

    "Judge Delivers Blow to Homeless Camping Ban"

    The Oregon city of Grants Pass has faced challenges in balancing homelessness policies with legal requirements concerning accessibility and camping restrictions. A recent court injunction requires the city to restore camping capacity and improve site accessibility for individuals with disabilities. Josephine County Circuit Court Judge Sarah McGlaughlin ruled that Grants Pass must provide camping capacity equal to levels before the recent closure of a 1.2-acre site.

    Grants Pass banned camping on most city lands following a U.S. Supreme Court case, limiting it to two council-selected areas. Afterward, the city reduced capacity by closing the largest site, leaving insufficient options for those in need.

    McGlaughlin wrote, “The court finds the Plaintiff’s proposed preliminary injunction order is too broad.” She added, “A blanket ban on enforcement of the GPMC [Grants Pass Municipal Code] Camping Regulations causes unnecessary harm to the City and the public’s interest in regulating camping on public property.”

    The city is also required to ensure all designated camping areas feature accessible surfaces and routes for disabled individuals.

    1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

      "Judge Blows Homeless" would've been too on the nose.

  49. Longtobefree   2 months ago

    Does anyone else remember what happened when we totally put the economic screws to a major Asian power?
    It was an oil embargo, not tariffs, but we are no more ready for war now then we were then.
    Not predicting, just wondering if Pete is ready.

    1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

      He’s currently in Panama:

      https://justthenews.com/world/latin-america/hegseth-announces-deeper-partnership-panama-effort-keep-control-canal-china

  50. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    The headline could have been "Federal Student Aid Delivered Blow" and we could have got a chuckle.

    Instead it's just another whine-file piece.

    "Federal Student Aid Suffers Severe Blow"

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-student-aid-suffers-severe-blow/ar-AA1CCV2n

    The FSA, a vital division managing over $1 trillion in student loans and education grants, has suffered severe workforce reductions, affecting its ability to oversee loan processes effectively.

    The reduction has cut roughly 2,000 employees, completely eliminating some divisions and allegedly placing reinstated staff in a state of “chaos” and “confusion.” Staff have expressed frustration about limited communication regarding their pay and benefits.

    Former employees have described emotional farewells, retrieving their belongings from offices and attending virtual gatherings. Several have recounted shattered career plans, describing the uncertainty as destabilizing and disheartening.

    Cuts to the FSA have raised concerns over accountability, particularly because its oversight helps schools administer loans and grants properly. Risks of mismanagement and harm to students dependent on financial aid have become significant fears due to oversight division closures.

    1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   2 months ago

      Former employees have described emotional farewells, retrieving their belongings from offices…

      Because absolutely nobody in private industry has ever suffered through such a thing.

  51. Marshal   2 months ago

    https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1910059547781185659

    I wonder if there's a connection between this story and my noticing there has been a recent drop in the number of gray boxes in the typical Reason comment thread.

  52. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    Interesting to see defense attorney demanding DOJ NOT drop charges.

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/09/politics/doj-dropping-charges-alleged-ms-13-leader-east-coast/index.html

    The Justice Department moved to drop charges Wednesday against a man they had alleged to be a “major leader” of the MS-13 gang – just weeks after publicly lauding his arrest – a move his lawyer says is the first step towards immediately deporting him to El Salvador.

    Attorney General Pam Bondi, in a press conference last month, said the man, Henrry Villatoro Santos, was MS-13’s “leader for the East Coast,” and that he was among the “horrible, violent, worst of the worst criminals.”

    Now, just two weeks later, Trump’s Justice Department, without explanation, moved to dismiss the single federal charge he faced for unlawfully possessing a firearm. In a court filing, prosecutors said only that “the government no longer wishes to pursue the instant prosecution at this time.”

    The switch in tactic comes as the Trump administration works to rapidly deport alleged gang members. In March, President Donald Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act of 1798, which gives a president broad power to target and remove undocumented immigrants in times of war or when an enemy attempts an “invasion or predatory incursion.”

    Villatoro Santos’ lawyer quickly moved to temporarily keep the federal charges pending against his client, saying that if the case were dropped, Villatoro Santos would be “immediately transferred to ICE custody.”

    “The danger of Mr. Villatoro Santos being unlawfully deported by ICE without due process and removed to El Salvador, where he would almost certainly be immediately detained at one of the worst prisons in the world without any right to contest his removal, is substantial, both in light of the Government’s recent actions and the very public pronouncements in this particular case,” defense attorney Muhammad Elsayed wrote to the court.

  53. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    As expected...

    Supreme Court says Trump doesn’t have to rehire independent labor board members for now

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/04/09/politics/trump-supreme-court-labor-boards/index.html

    Chief Justice John Roberts on Wednesday allowed President Donald Trump to temporarily remove two board members at independent labor agencies while the justices consider whether the president may permanently fire them.

    The brief order does not necessarily indicate which way the court is leaning in the case. Instead, the procedural move will give the justices a few days to consider written arguments before deciding whether or not to grant Trump’s request.

    “The president should not be forced to delegate his executive power to agency heads who are demonstrably at odds with the administration’s policy objectives for a single day – much less for the months that it would likely take for the courts to resolve this litigation,” Solicitor General D. John Sauer, the Trump administration’s top appellate lawyer, told the Supreme Court in a filing earlier Wednesday.

    The underlying lawsuit raises fundamental questions about the president’s authority to remove officials within the executive branch that Congress said could only be dismissed for cause – such as inefficiency or malfeasance – not because the president disagrees with their decisions. The conservative Supreme Court in recent years has moved toward expanding the president’s power to control independent agencies.

    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

      5-0 against activist judges this week. Waiting on the sullum article after he screamed about a constitutional crisis.

    2. Randy Sax   2 months ago

      president’s power to control independent agencies.

      What the fuck is an "independent agency"? What branch of government? Who do they report to? Who are they held responsible to? What the fuck.

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

        Who do they report to?

        In the case of the CFPB, Liz Warren? I think through a treaty with her tribe.

  54. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

    https://x.com/WesternLensman/status/1909416188821528958

    Western Lensman
    @WesternLensman
    MSNBC’s Eddie Glaude launches unhinged, self-righteous rant blasting Trump supporters as racist:

    Says 78M Americans who voted for Trump would rather “destroy the Republic” than "elect a black woman."

    1. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

      The Democrats should have run an actual Black woman then, instead of the Desi that they did.

      1. Randy Sax   2 months ago

        Does Big Mike count?

      2. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

        For years I've said that if Condi Rice had run at any time, I'd have voted for her. If for any other reason, just to kneecap this exact argument (if such a thing were possible, but knowing leftists she would count as a black woman somehow...she probably would have been "literally Hitler").

    2. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   2 months ago

      Skin color is the most important thing.
      Also, what is a woman?

    3. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

      Poor guy couldn't even get through his rant without looking down at the script. Anybody who would rather have elected that particular black woman is obviously not mentally fit to live without a babysitter.

    4. Super Scary   2 months ago

      I don't like Kamala for the content of her character.

    5. Gaear Grimsrud   2 months ago

      I would have no problem voting for any woman of any race if I believe they support individual liberty. But if we're to be forced to look at race as a determining factor my mind takes me to some scary places, Tiffany Hendren, Fani Willis, Karen Bass, Kamala Harris, Jasmine Crockett, the list goes on. On balance it doesn't seem like they're sending their best.

      1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

        Malice had Hotep Jesus on recently and they discussed this. Very interesting.

    6. Sometimes a Great Notion   2 months ago

      “destroy the Republic” than "elect a black woman." destroy the Republic faster and drunker.

      FTF Eddie

  55. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

    "Now, China will be severely hurt by this; Trump imposed the pain that he desired."

    And the American consumer. Tariffs are a tax paid by consumers. But don't tell Trump, he'd prefer to remain ignorant.

    1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

      Penguins!

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

        Yeah, why did Trump have to start this whole penguin meme by taxing their imports. Someone oughta call PETA.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          OK, ass-wipe, I can't get this into one-syllable words, but let’s see if I can make simple enough that TDS-addled imbeciles like you can understand:

          "But as to the penguins, I love that for showing your moral bankruptcy. You think penguins are a sign of incoherency, as if I'm too stupid to think of anything else, yet Trump is the one who imposed tariffs on the penguins."

          No, like your TDS, you are projecting.
          Tariffs include an entire country, even those portions which are not producing export goods and it would be ridiculous to exclude this province or that island. Only TDS-addled brain-dead shits like you find that hard to understand.
          Do you have it now, shit-for-brains?

          1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

            Yes, tariffs do include an entire country, and those two islands are part of Australia which is tariffed too. If you're worried about Australia leasing those islands to China, why restrict that worry to islands? They could just as easily lease any of their territory to China.

            Trump is an idiot.

        2. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

          Penguins!

  56. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

    Nope, makes you a parent.

    A teacher in Florida lost her job over calling a student by a preferred name, in violation of new laws that at aim to restore parental rights after schools have become a front in the gender culture wars. Reporting from Florida Today notes that this does look like a case where the child was gender-questioning, and the teacher chose to affirm that in the classroom. I'm sorry if this makes me a bad libertarian, but I have no problem with the firing or the law. It seems important for parental rights to trump everything else at play here, and the parent is the one who gets to make decisions for their child, not the teacher/ideologue.

    The real problem is government-controlled schooling. (I'd do away with government-funded too, but that's a separate bone.) Get government out of the business so parents have to make real choices instead of just falling back on being lazy and letting the government decide.

    That's the problem in general with society, having government fallbacks. It destroys individualism.

  57. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

    "...(Who is the they that wanted the market crashed?)..."

    Most all of the writers here.

    1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

      Someone ought to check White House trades these last few days. Probably put Pelosi to shame.

      1. damikesc   2 months ago

        Trump told people to buy before the market opened. He wanted everybody to enjoy the surge.

      2. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

        Another stupid leftist talking point.

        1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

          What, Pelosi?

          If Pelosi deserves investigating, why not White House staff? Are they too pure and noble?

          1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

            See damikesc‘s comment above. Trump said in public to buy the dip several hours before announcing the pause.

            It’s not insider trading if you make a public announcement.

      3. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

        Thanks Adam Schiff.

        https://time.com/7276234/trump-tariff-insider-trading-schiff/

        Guess i need to start keeping a list of terms you don't understand, like sarc.

        Trump publicly told people to buy. Lol.

        Most of us who aren't liberals likely made a lot of money due to the media hysteria this week. Guessing you didn't.

  58. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

    And here's another statist fanboi who doesn't like individuals and doesn't believe in free markets, in addition to Jesse who thinks because markets can't be 100% free, the only alternative is 0% free and controlled by Trump personally.

    "Tuesday, the Trump administration froze over $1 billion of Cornell's federal funding and $790 million of Northwestern's, citing civil rights investigations. The campaign against elite universities continues, fueled by accusations of antisemitism, contempt for the DEI [diversity, equity, and inclusion] industrial complex, and a broader cultural vendetta. Directionally, this is good—universities are bloated credential mills, non-STEM research is largely farcical, and the ballooning student debt crisis is untenable. But if you're going to kneecap research institutions, throwing the baby out with the bathwater, you can't just walk away," writes G.B. Rango for Pirate Wires. "Sure, burn down the universities, but build something better in their ashes."

    As Thomas Sowell said,

    No matter how disastrously some policy has turned out, anyone who criticizes it can expect to hear: "But what would you replace it with?" When you put out a fire, what do you replace it with?

    Markets will come up with something better, if something better is both possible and wanted. If markets don't, then not enough people wanted it, and we're better off without another government-mandated one-size-fits-nobody "solution".

    1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

      Freer is better than not. Why do you hate progress towards freer markets?

      Do it for the penguins.

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

        Did you see Jesse yesterday claiming that because totally free markets have never existed, there are no free markets, and therefore it's better to let Trump control markets than Wall Street?

        1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

          Keep your fever dreams to yourself. Go to the zoo and check out some penguins.

          1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

            In other words, you did notice, and now you don't want to admit Jesse said something stupid.

            1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

              I can't notice things that you made up. I'm beginning to think that you really are sarcjeff.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcasia’s disloyal opposition)   2 months ago

      “Did the penguin tell you to do this?

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

        You'd have to ask Trump, it's his meme and I am sworn to secrecy by Opus.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          OK, shit-stain, I can't get this into one-syllable words, but let’s see if I can make simple enough that TDS-addled imbeciles like you can understand:

          "But as to the penguins, I love that for showing your moral bankruptcy. You think penguins are a sign of incoherency, as if I'm too stupid to think of anything else, yet Trump is the one who imposed tariffs on the penguins."

          No, like your TDS, you are projecting.
          Tariffs include an entire country, even those portions which are not producing export goods and it would be ridiculous to exclude this province or that island. Only TDS-addled brain-dead shits like you find that hard to understand.
          Do you have it now, shit-for-brains?

        2. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

          I loved Bloom County when I was a kid. I haven't checked up on it in it's reincarnation, but I imagine Berkeley Breathed has gone of the deep end since.

      2. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

        This made me laugh out loud. Damn you.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (Sarcasia’s disloyal opposition)   2 months ago

          Hey, “Billy Madison” has a wealth of quotes, including several related to a penguin.

  59. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   2 months ago

    Many have made the analogy:

    Fatass Donnie stupidly set the building on fire playing with matchs/tariffs. Then called the fire department to postpone the fire 90 days. And is now congratulating himself for his stupidity.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    2. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

      Many retards may have made that erroneous analogy, but just like Trump said he would from the start, he lowered the tariffs for every country that capitulated only.

      And all those countries capitulated.

      So sorry this has destroyed the next two months of trolling for you, Pluggo.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   2 months ago

        He hasn't done a damn thing but kick the can down the road. The markets realized that and are back in destruction mode.

        He is even killing the Treasury market. You are fluffing the idiot that will be known as Hoover 2.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          turd, the asswipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        2. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 months ago

          Bring back "Well-adjusted Biden Guy".

        3. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 months ago

          Hoover 2.

          That was FDR.

        4. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

          "He hasn't done a damn thing but kick the can down the road."

          Better explain that to Jeffy, Sarc and the Buttplug from two days ago, because they swore the apocalypse was now.

    3. Bertram Guilfoyle   2 months ago

      And the award for dumbest fucking analogy of the year goes to:

      called the fire department to postpone the fire 90 days

  60. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

    wrong place

  61. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

    BREAKING: SAVE ACT passes the U.S. House, requiring U.S. citizenship be proven in order to register to vote.

    SO SORRY THAT THIS IS HAPPENING TO YOU REASON / CHEMJEFF, thoughts and prayers.

    220-208.

    4 Democrats joined Republicans.

    1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 months ago

      Very popular with voters and just plain common sense. But will have to contend with a filibuster in the Senate.

      1. VinniUSMC   2 months ago

        Expect some "totally unforeseen" violence directed at the critters who voted for this. And any in the Senate who express support for this. The assassination admiration party doesn't like challenges to their voter fraud.

      2. Minadin   2 months ago

        It's still pretty popular, even among most 'normal' Democrat voters. Voter ID requirements passed in Wisconsin recently with something like 63%, in the same election where those same voters elected a progressive liberal to the state supreme court by a margin of 10%.

        https://ballotpedia.org/Wisconsin_Question_1,_Require_Voter_Photo_ID_Amendment_(April_2025)

        Notable:

        Opponents

        Officials
        State Sen. LaTonya Johnson (D)
        State Sen. Kelda Roys (D)
        State Rep. Andrew Hysell (D)
        State Rep. Lee Snodgrass (D)
        Organizations
        ACLU of Wisconsin
        All Voting is Local Action Wisconsin
        Disability Rights Wisconsin
        Ex-Incarcerated People Organizing (EXPO) of Wisconsin
        League of Women Voters of Wisconsin
        Wisconsin Conservation Voters
        Wisconsin Council of the Blind and Visually Impaired
        Wisconsin Democracy Campaign
        Wisconsin Justice Initiative

  62. Eeyore   2 months ago

    Fuck you - cut taxes.

    1. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

      Oh, they will. They'll cut taxes while increasing spending, until the final collapse.

  63. Rick James   2 months ago

    I'm sorry if this makes me a bad libertarian, but I have no problem with the firing or the law.

    1. If carving up children and castrating them makes you a 'good libertarian' I don't want to be a 'good libertarian'.

    b) So, IS carving up children and sterilizing them a 'good libertarian' cause now?

    1. Don't get eliminated(Lying Jeffy thinks about people having anal sex with their sisters)   2 months ago

      No.

    2. Zeb   2 months ago

      Some questions don't have specifically libertarian answers. Sometimes things are just wrong, regardless of political ideology. There are plenty of leftists who think this shit is insane and evil.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   2 months ago

        But they still vote for it.

    3. Minadin   2 months ago

      I'm sorry if this makes me a bad libertarian
      Not wanting a government employee circumventing the wishes of private citizens makes someone a bad libertarian? I think someone isn't thinking about this correctly.

  64. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

    Jeff shuffles his feet and looks around.

    Evidence shows Biden White House directly aided Jack Smith’s J6 probe

    Emails confirm a criminal conspiracy between the Biden White House, the FBI Washington Field Office, prosecutors from the U.S. Attorney’s Office – Washington D.C., and Jack Smith to plan, approve, and execute Arctic Frost, with the intent to frame, arrest, prosecute, and imprison Donald J. Trump.

    Operation Arctic Frost formed the basis of Jack Smith's false elector case under which President Donald Trump was later charged with a conspiracy to defraud the United States for his campaign’s attempts to assemble alternate slates of electors which that the United States government was overthrown during the 2020 election.

    1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

      Poor sullum and sarc.

      Did facts change?

  65. Moonrocks   2 months ago

    I'm sorry if this makes me a bad libertarian, but I have no problem with the firing or the law

    A petty bureaucrat just got smacked for exercising authority over someone else's child that she didn't have and never should have had in the first place. What kind of libertarian wouldn't cheer for this?

    1. Mother's Lament - (Sarcasian Meanister of Foreign Affairs)   2 months ago

      Chemjeff libertarianism.

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