The 3 Myths Supporting NIH Funding
Innovation, basic research, and economic growth do not rely on federal science funding.

The Trump administration's proposal to cut National Institutes of Health (NIH) indirect funds has been widely attacked, with heated claims it will annihilate biomedical scientific research in the United States. Leading with a picture of a 12-year-old child with muscular dystrophy, Shetal Shah, a neonatology professor, argued in the Honolulu Star-Advertiser that the cuts would "hobble" vital medical research, and a Time magazine interviewee went as far as to call it the "apocalypse" of U.S. science writ large. While the funding cut has been blocked by federal judges for now, the future fiscal status of the NIH, and the university researchers that depend on it, remains uncertain.
Pundits discussing the cuts nearly universally agree that federally funded science is a crucial component of lifesaving medical therapies, innovative technology, and the ongoing status of the U.S. as a scientific superpower. These assertions are repeated ad nauseam despite history telling a different story. Promulgating three core myths, advocates for maintaining the status quo of public funding have been active in the media, but none of their key assertions withstand considering the historical record.
Myth No. 1: The U.S. Cannot Be an Innovative Research Leader Without Strong Public Funding
Shortly after the funding cuts were announced, a member of the University of California, Santa Cruz's informatics team wrote, "American research institutions have historically been at the forefront of medical and technological advancements. This proposal is a fast track to reversing that. Other countries that actually invest in research will surge ahead while U.S. institutions struggle to keep the lights on."
These arguments make sense only if the following assumptions are accurate: that the amount of NIH spending is important for scientific achievement, and that publicly funded academic research is the primary factor needed for innovation. These assumptions don't stand up under scrutiny.
Like many things in U.S. research, the NIH owes its growth to the spoils of war. The Ransdell Act of 1930 that established NIH research fellowships was the product of World War I chemists looking for funding to apply their knowledge to medical issues. The subsequent Public Health Service Act of 1944 arose from proponents such as Vannevar Bush, who ran the Office of Scientific Research and Development during World War II, wanting to ensure the massive federal science endowments that took place during the war would continue through peacetime. From these efforts, despite U.S. science previously being mostly laissez faire, the NIH budget would expand from $8 million in 1947 to more than $1 billion in 1966. If federal funding is a prerequisite for scientific innovation, we would expect a severe lack of the latter in medicine prior to the expanded federal role.
But in the early 20th century, philanthropists were already funding the type of research the NIH later did, with impressive yields. Among them was the Rockefeller Foundation, whose research led to the discovery of a vaccine for yellow fever, advanced the understanding of cell biology, and assisted the efforts to mass produce penicillin. For this latter effort, U.S. pharmaceutical firms proved to be the key component to produce enough penicillin to sustain the war efforts and help save the lives of wounded soldiers.
U.S. biomedical science in the era before the NIH was spreading federal money was not hurting for private support, and while some insist that increased government spending only strengthened a good foundation, the public sector's role is often overstated regarding some canonical research achievements. The Human Genome Project is a good example. The NIH correctly asserts this groundbreaking international collaboration "changed the face of the scientific workforce," but it was only made possible by the automatic gene sequencer developed by Leroy Hood, who noted the invention received "some of the worst scores the NIH had ever given."
It was only through the generosity of Sol Price—the founder of warehouse superstores—that the technology came to fruition and the human genome was finally sequenced. Similar stories of private generosity in place of government grants can be found for stem cell research.
As for the importance of publicly supported academics, consider the story of mRNA vaccine development. The NIH timeline implies that smart government investment into years of HIV research was the key to this lifesaving technology, but the chief innovator of the eventual product, Katalin Karikó, was roadblocked for years in academia and even demoted for her lack of grant acquisition. She would later leave the university setting and work for BioNTech in the private sector to create the Pfizer vaccine. Her story is conspicuously absent from the NIH timeline of events.
Karikó's experience suggests that public funding for academic science is not necessarily the crucial factor for scientific advancement and innovation. In practice, the private sector drives new technologies. Drug development, for instance, would be impossible without the power of the pharmaceutical industry to fund new chemical entities. Authors of a 2016 survey on some of the most transformational drug therapies that appeared in the journal Therapeutic Innovation & Regulatory Science wrote that "without private investment in the applied sciences there would be no return on public investment in basic science."
A subsequent analysis in 2022 in the same journal found that only privately funded projects actually hit the market as Food and Drug Administration–approved therapies and that public funding had a possible negative effect on achieving approval. Note the cautious interpretation by the authors: "Our study results underscore that the development of basic discoveries requires substantial additional investments, partnerships, and the shouldering of financial risk by the private sector if therapies are to materialize as FDA-approved medicine. Our finding of a potentially negative relationship between public funding and the likelihood that a therapy receives FDA approval requires additional study" (emphasis added).
If it cannot deliver therapies, federally funded science should at least be producing noteworthy and reproducible science. A writer for Psychology Today noted this month that the federal government is the largest funder of psychological research. But should we consider that a good thing? Psychology is a research field where as low as one-third of the findings can be replicated for a given set of publications, which calls into question the trustworthiness of that nonreproducible work. Even outside psychology, it is not even clear that federally funded research is producing our most noteworthy scientists: A large majority of researchers authoring the most highly cited papers in the biomedical research field operate without NIH funding.
Myth No. 2: Private Firms Will Not Fund Basic Research
Like many articles discussing the potential NIH cuts, the National Education Association's (NEA) take was breathless and hyperbolic, best summed up by the isolated quote, "People will die." Amid such claims, the NEA chose to promote another popular myth: Without public funds, basic research efforts will suffer. As the author writes, "Corporations also don't care about basic science, also known as fundamental or bench science….If the federal government doesn't fund the professors doing this work, it doesn't happen."
This argument originates from the works of the renowned economist Kenneth Arrow. After the launch of Sputnik, the U.S. government commissioned Arrow to come up with an economic model to support the public funding of science, given concerns that the Soviet Union would overtake the U.S. technologically. Arrow penned a now canonical paper in 1962 titled "Economic Welfare and the Allocation of Resources for Invention," where he argued the market would fail to fund basic research, and therefore public funding of science was necessary.
Arrow's theoretical assertion, and that of his modern acolytes, is completely at odds with the literature assessing how much basic research the private sector actually performs. Nathan Rosenberg, in his 1989 paper Why do firms do basic research (with their own money)?, found that corporations invest quite handsomely in basic science, which allows them to be a "first mover" along the learning curve of scientific innovation. Additional work by Edwin Mansfield in The American Economic Review in 1980 has also concluded that companies' profits increase along with greater investment in basic research. A later study in Research Policy in 2012 would demonstrate that Mansfield's findings remained true, finding greater profits in the technological sector for those investing in basic science.
Contrary to the myth, companies do have motivation to invest in basic research, and they are clearly responding to that incentive. The National Science Foundation's own data confirm this—showing that as federal support for basic research has plateaued and declined, business and other nonfederal support for basic research has increased. This trend is consistent with the last 65 years of research and development investment patterns. In the "golden era" of NIH funding in the later 1950s and through the 1960s, large increases in federal R&D funding were accompanied by a decline in private contributions, as reported by the Congressional Research Service (CRS) in the figure below. When federal funds became scarcer, the business share started to rise again.

In short, if federal funds do contract, basic research will be well taken care of in the hands of the private sector.
Myth No. 3: Cutting Public Funding for Science Will Devastate the Economy
Whenever national science budget cuts are proposed, academics are quick to claim the cuts will have devastating economic effects. Within a few weeks of the NIH budget announcement, University of Arizona astronomy professor Chris Impey asserted that federal cuts would have "negative impacts on the economy" and that a "substantial part of U.S. prosperity after World War II was due to the country's investment in science and technology." The aforementioned Shah wrote, "With these losses, we risk losing both scientific progress and economic vitality."
The most thorough review of the relationship between scientific funding and economics does not support the link between government scientific research money and positive macroeconomic outcomes. Terence Kealey, in his 1996 book The Economic Laws of Scientific Research, thoroughly examined centuries of international trends and found that countries that operated under laissez faire science policies enjoyed greater economic growth and technological innovation than those who chose dirigisme—state control of economic and social matters. Britain had little to no government support for science in the 18th and 19th centuries, and yet it enjoyed the agricultural and industrial revolutions. France, on the other hand, promoted government funding of science since the late 17th century and ended up far less prosperous.
In the United States in the 19th century, the government did have a scant number of offices for mission-oriented research such as the U.S. Office of Coast Survey, but by and large, science was not widely supported by the government. Despite various government research offices growing at the beginning of the 20th century, Kealey found the U.S. private sector was still providing just over 76 percent of R&D funds as late as 1940. As we have seen, this changed in the 1950s with a massive expansion in public funding.
If economic prosperity results from a country's investment in science, post-1950s economic trends should vindicate this assertion. They do not. After an impressive growth of real gross domestic product (GDP) in the immediate postwar years, annual growth of real GDP was fairly static during the "Golden Era" of NIH funding. The trend of real GDP between the late 1940s and early 1980s confirms growth proceeded at roughly the same rate with little deviation during this time. We should be thankful the economic effect of U.S. public research endowment was only neutral, as other countries were not so lucky. Britain's Labour Party in the 1960s, ignoring the historic success of the country's laissez faire approach, believed government funding for science would be the backbone of prosperity, but by 1976, it was already applying for a loan from the International Monetary Fund to curtail Britain's poor economic conditions.
The greatest counterargument to the economic myth is, ironically, a series of audits performed by the government itself. The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) was assessing returns on R&D investments as far back as 1989, and reported, "the far more dominant pattern is that federally financed expenditures have no discernable effect on productivity growth." The BLS reviewed the literature again in 2007 and found R&D had a large rate of return—but only if it was privately funded. "Returns to many forms of publicly financed R&D are near zero," the BLS reported.
Internationally, the findings on R&D have been the same. In 1999, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development sought to understand why some countries, particularly the United States, had enjoyed such marked economic growth while others had not. Their findings, published in 2003, showed positive returns for private R&D but "could find no clear-cut relationship between public R&D activities and growth."
Despite the readily available mountain of literature showing publicly funded science has no clear economic benefit, the NIH funding cuts were followed by a myriad of reports that such action would threaten "economic stability." Some myths are so pervasive that no matter the evidence, someone is always ready to revive them yet again.
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Gotta cut it, we can’t afford it.
Cut it? Eliminate it. Buh-bye.
You'd think socialist countries would be leading in science if that were the more effective way to support it.
Look at how good the Chinese bio weapons labs are doing with funding from the usa
Poor QB. He relies on federal graft.
QB might beed to become a WR to keep up the lifestyle.
Vannevar bush is among the illustrious people who were wrong as soon as the words left his retarded mouth. He claimed basic research was the only way to advance science. At the time of writing, the light bulb and ac electricity were already in existence not developed by basic research, and 3 years after the transistor was accidentally developed.
Vannevar bush is among the illustrious people who were wrong as soon as the words left his retarded mouth.
Not "wrong" and not "as soon as", "oxymoronically" or "anti-thetically misguided" and "before, after, and in perpetuity"... 'not even wrong' as it were. Bill Gates was wrong about 32-bit computing. Nonetheless, even if he didn't verbally correct himself, he obviously did so behaviorally. Even if the whole thing is apocryphal, he contributed to the development and popularization of 32-bit (and higher) architecture.
Bush, OTOH, should have people urinating on his grave in perpetuity in the name of scientific progress. It would be more true, both conceptually and physically, than his idiocy.
Government agencies have a poor track record in pretty much everything they do. In science the possible exception is DARPA, where there have been several examples over the years of key backing for a critical breakthrough at just the right moment. In keeping with that, government proposal reviewers are the worst possible resource to rely upon if you want to actually advance science. The key statistic in that sense would be something like "scientific return on investment." I suspect a private firm would go bankrupt if it maintained the performance of government scientific funding agencies in that regard.
Every single thing in the nih that supported funding to the Wuhan lab, the jab mandate, and demonizing people that spoke out against all of that deserve execution.
This article contradicts the narrative that tReason opposes everything Trump does because they're a bunch of government-loving leftists. Therefore it does not exist.
Move along. Nothing to see here.
It is in no way authorized by the constitution; then it is reserved to the states or the people.
End of story.
123% Debt to GDP ratio. Sorry, not sorry, your agency needs to go.
What percentage of government grant fits the description given? 2% maybe?
It's all bait and switch. Grants are another grift so the new aristocracy can get rich without having to produce anything just like the old aristocracy.
^This. I don't know what the percentage is, but it needs to start with a "ninety" or immediately be reformed or eliminated. That should apply to all government spending and departments. Let's start with the $1.2 TRILLION infrastructure and claw back every unspent/unstollen remaining dollar, since almost none of that money is going into actual infrastructure. Perhaps someone should create a Department of Government Efficiency to look into that...
There is a fourth and, I believe, even more important myth: that the more money you invest in science, the more important discoveries will be made. Possibly as much as 95% of the scientific reports published are about minor "filling in the details" experiments that cannot even remotely be considered to be cutting edge or important discoveries. Although all properly conducted experiments add to the fund of knowledge held by society, a significant number of published results are bogus or even AI generated. Even minor results can trigger the next great breakthrough, but claiming that larger amounts of (public) money invested correlates with important new discoveries or breakthroughs is laughable.
Myth #4:
There is a reason the NIH should exist.
This post is a vast oversimplification of the world of research funding.
There are many areas of basic research that businesses will do, if they think they can profit off of it. But there are many flavors of science that don't have apparent profit opportunity and thus business won't fund it. I reject the argument that research is only valuable if it is profitable.
Businesses don't like taking risks so they won't fund the most advanced research ideas while NIH or DoD will fund research that is riskier but has long term impact.
There is also the vast world of science that is done on behalf of the government because that research is important to their mission.
Also some areas of research is expensive, very expensive and thus it makes sense to house those facilities at universities where academics and businesses can access them.
Businesses also don't like to give information to rivals and thus they don't publish as much as academics.
Agreed. But the burden of proof is on YOU to support the assertion that government investment of public funds in the research that applied scientists won't risk investing in actually results in important new discoveries. Otherwise, you cannot justify government - or anyone else for that matter - funding that research.
Agreed. But the burden of proof is on YOU to support the assertion that government investment of public funds in the research that applied scientists won't risk investing in actually results in important new discoveries.
In many ways, what counts as an "important new discovery" is a value-based judgement. Is research into astrophysics, particle physics, or paleontology "important"? I don't see any business ever putting money into that unless they feel like using it as a tax write-off. Rich business owners might do so using their personal wealth rather than their business's assets and profits to do so.
The whole idea of efficiency in a free market makes investing in basic research appear as a cost to a business with really vague and uncertain return on that investment, even in the long term. It doesn't make a lot of sense to expect businesses to do that. To me, that places the burden on people arguing that they are funding basic research with the expectation of future profit to show that it actually pays off for those businesses.
And as for the idea of basic research leading to "important discoveries" for any definition of "important", well, that is virtually self-evident as a general* principle. It requires an enormous amount of luck and trial and error to engineer better computer chips if you don't have the basic research into how semiconducting materials work and how quantum effects could alter their properties at the smaller and smaller scales being used.
*(Specific research topics and grants need to be identified to debate whether they have or could lead to "important" discoveries.)
You seem to have missed the point: the assertion that investing more money into research causes more scientific results is unproven and you have not corrected that with your restatement of the unproven assertions. As to the IMPORTANCE of the results, it is NOT self-evident as a general principle. If you invest money in apparently impractical or high-risk projects and they later turn out to be practical and profitable, then and only then can you support your assertion. I question the examples you gave as having been funded by government because private enterprise would not fund them.
Theoretical physics, since the late 1800s to the present, is performed and funded in universities. I'm sure that there is some industry funding of those positions (tax deductible funding, as I suggest), but it is generally funded by government and philanthropy. Theoretical physics is essential to leading to improving experimental and applied physics knowledge that can then be further refined in materials science and engineering for useful devices.
Want an example? How about MRI? Quantum theory was developed over decades and nuclear magnetic resonance was studied by university professors, and it relied on other fundamental quantum research, such as the Stern-Gerlach effect, that showed that the spatial orientation of angular momentum of fundamental particles is quantized. (Otto Stern and Walther Gerlach were German physics professors in the early 1900s.)
Who would have funded quantum research in the early 1900s in order to have the knowledge to invent nuclear magnetic resonance imaging 70 years later?
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This slimy pile of lefty shit promotes murder as a preventative for, well, the steaming pile of shit isn't really sure:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Fuck off and die, shitbag.
"...Who would have funded quantum research in the early 1900s in order to have the knowledge to invent nuclear magnetic resonance imaging 70 years later?..."
Are you familiar with the term 'non-falsifiable claim', shitbag?
Fuck off and die.
Ah! Another person who understands nothing of business. And certainly not income taxation of businesses.
Trots out the oft repeated but absolutely false "use it as a tax write off" argument.
Anyone with half a business brain would know that spending a dollar to save a quarter is not a very business like approach.
Molly:
I agree! Reason's unfettered enthusiasm for "Free Markets" and economic reasoning can lead to some pretty weird solutions: If we follow the libertarian way of doing things, we will be outsourcing our military to the Chinese and
I have a Ph.D. in a hard science (Geophysics) and I have worked for both the private and public sectors. The private sector is very good at applying existing science to new problems. For the most part, the private sector isn't nearly as motivated to develop new science or, as you have noted, to share it with anybody. Without this shared information, the private sector doesn't have anything to work with.
That said, the amount of frivolous "research" funded by the Feds is truly mindboggoing, and needs to be reigned-in, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater.
"we will be outsourcing our military"
Why not? History is full of such actions. Mercenaries have done well, saving smarter folks from becoming cannon fodder while also affording them solid defense. And, after all, isn't that what our military should be? A defense of the country?
What's more, Winston is arguing a strawman; no great surprise. Hey, Winston! What does the Constitution say about that?
Yeah, you have a degree and a love of the swamp.
No mention of the most prominent result of public financing of research in our lifetimes...COVID.
It was gain of function research funded by the governments of China and the US together.
What was the rate of return on that?
It is not accurate to say that covid was the result of a lab leak. We do not have enough evidence to say that.
Most world governments concluded that it was a lab leak 5 years ago. Keep up.
Most world governments concluded that it was a lab leak 5 years ago. Keep up.
But isn't consensus supposed to always be suspect? And do most world governments have the kinds of experts within them that are capable of drawing conclusions about it? Should opinion of the government of Uruguay be given the same weight as the opinion of the government of Germany on a scientific question?
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Keep in mind this slimy pile of lefty shit promotes murder as a preventative for, well, the steaming pile of shit isn't really sure:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Fuck off and die, shitbag.
There is lots of reliable evidence that indicates that it was manufactured in the Wuhan lab and escaped from the lab, causing the COVID-19 pandemic; and what little evidence against that theory is fading fast as more honest appraisals and more complete evidence become available, and more of the official denials are exposed as fraudulent. I suspect your feeble rebuttal is wrong.
More and more assertions that it was a lab leak appearing in right-wing echo chambers is not "reliable evidence" that it was "manufactured in the Wuhan lab and escaped from the lab."
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Don't forget this slimy pile of lefty shit promotes murder as a preventative for, well, the steaming pile of shit isn't really sure:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Fuck off and die, shitbag.
BTW, slimy pile of lefty shit, how about some cites for your imbecilic claims?
"...What was the rate of return on that?"
Several million deaths, a cohort of young people lacking educational skills and economies still knee-capped 5 years later.
About par for government effectiveness.
This trend is consistent with the last 65 years of research and development investment patterns. In the "golden era" of NIH funding in the later 1950s and through the 1960s, large increases in federal R&D funding were accompanied by a decline in private contributions, as reported by the Congressional Research Service (CRS) in the figure below. When federal funds became scarcer, the business share started to rise again.
The "Myth" that Caverley is trying to expose here is that "Private Firms Will Not Fund Basic Research". But that figure that he copies into his article? That and all of the data in the CRS Fact Sheet he got it from is for all R&D, not just basic research.
Look at the NSF report he links, and you see that in 2012 constant dollars, federal funding for basic research varied between $35 and $40 billion (the low end of that in the years following the Great Recession) over the last 20 years. Business spending on basic research went from just over $10 billion in 2004 up to over $35 billion in 2021.
The myth that I am seeing is that federal basic research funding needs to go down in order for business spending on basic research to go up. Using the "share" of all research funding is also so misleading that I can only assume that it is intentional. If the goal is to argue that increasing federal research funding causes business research funding to go down, then using the share of each is obviously going to result in that because the total has to add to 100%!!!
I think that what the country really needs is more funding for teaching critical thinking in education so that people are better prepared to spot this kind of manipulative argumentation.
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Lest you forget, his slimy pile of lefty shit promotes murder as a preventative for, well, the steaming pile of shit isn't really sure:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Fuck off and die, shitbag.
The best Reason could do is this?
Reminds me of Ghostbusters. "Frankly I liked the University. They gave us money, equipment and facilities. You've never worked in the Private Sector. They expect results."
"Innovation, basic research, and economic growth do not rely on federal science funding."
That's strange.
Jonas Salk didn't have millions of taxpayers' dollars to play with when he discovered a vaccine for polio and neither did Walter Reed when he found for malaria.
In 1938, five years after entering the White House, Roosevelt helped to create the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis, later renamed the March of Dimes Foundation, which became the primary funding source for Salk’s vaccine trials.
https://www.history.com/articles/8-things-you-may-not-know-about-jonas-salk-and-the-polio-vaccine
Maybe no taxpayer funding, but it wasn't a profit-seeking private business that funded it either. Note that it was never patented either. And that researching and developing a vaccine is not basic research.
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Remember, this slimy pile of lefty shit promotes murder as a preventative for, well, the steaming pile of shit isn't really sure:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Fuck off and die, shitbag.
"Maybe no taxpayer funding, but it wasn't a profit-seeking private business that funded it either. Note that it was never patented either. And that researching and developing a vaccine is not basic research."
Deflect and pick them cherries, lefty shitbag.
The author misquotes, misrepresents and otherwise misinterprets decades of economics research pertaining to the value of NIH research. He also includes quite a few straw men argument along the way
Myth 1: Innovation and public funding: Those in the venture capital or pharma space regularly invest in spin-outs based on government funded work. A current popular example: GLP1 agonists. The first example found, exenitide, was discovered by a VA scientist, John Eng, who was interested in understanding the potential therapeutic potential of venoms. That discovery was directly commercialized by Amgen and Eli Lilly to produce the first GLP1 agonist, exenitide. What is the return on investment for this project? Any venture capital group would dearly accept such a return.
Myth 2: Private funds will not fund basic research. They won't. Having been in front of dozens of private companies and venture groups, not one has offered to fund "basic" work which is considered high risk and low reward. The NIH dominates "basic" biomedical research for the simple reason that it is undirected and without an obvious commercial outcome. Nonetheless much investment is based, cumulatively, on the work reported by those funded projects. Commercial groups also engage in "basic" research inasmuch they will test an unproven therapy or device for efficacy. This is often called "applied" research but is counted under the banner of "basic" research in a companies bottom line.
Myth 3: Cutting Public Funding for Science Will Devastate the Economy. A gross overstatement to be sure. Nonetheless, the return on investment of each dollar of NIH funding yields $2.56 of economic activity and supports over 500,000 full time jobs. Non-trivial effects in all. In addition, the NIH directly supports startup and existing pharma companies with both funding and technology transfer. How this ecology of public and private funding will operate in the future is in question. The US is the preminent global leader in the biotechnology space, with the NIH and its institutes serving as the core component of this ecosystem. The "doomsday " scenario is that, eventually, without that long-term innovation engine, private money will move elsewhere for investment, throttling a national industry that generates hundreds of billions of dollars a year in economic activity.
Well said.
The author misquotes, misrepresents and otherwise misinterprets decades of economics research pertaining to the value of NIH research.
This is only true if he doesn't start from the ass-backwards assumptions that you do.
By your own stupidity, Retardation 1 - "What is the return on investment for this project? Any venture capital group would dearly accept such a return."
So you're saying a private venture capital group would fund the work and incur the risk for the potential payoff? Or are you suggesting that the NIH should continue to subsidize big pharma?
Fucking retard.
Again by your own stupidity, Retardation 2 - You don't seem to have a solid definition of "basic" or "applied" that doesn't effectively render the NIH's "dominance" to be irrelevant if not far more costly and far more productive, indicating that you don't actually know dick about science, research, economics and almost certainly have not been "in front of dozens of private companies and venture groups" or are writing off their refusals to fund your "Working backwards from my foregone conclusions." stupidity as refusal to do "basic" or high risk-low reward or "applied" or whatever brain damaged descriptor of your own stupidity you use.
Fucking retard.
Again by your own stupidity, Retardation 3 - Devestate the economy worse than shutting down every bar, restaurant, grocery store, gym, office, port, and OR in the country for "two weeks"? You do realize that just because the government cuts those dollars, the people and capital don't magically disappear, right? They just make your retarded conception of basic/high-risk-low-reward/applied idiocy more feasibly funded by the private sector directly rather than skimming the NIH's bureaucracy, which has a cost, off the top yielding back most if not all of the $1 in addition to the $2.56 in gains.
Fucking retard.
Again, despite all your retarded criticism and buffoonery you don't actually offer any proof or evidence of your assertion. Terence Kealy, cited in the article, has been breaking all this down with and on behalf of public health policy makers across the OECD for 20+ yrs. and, using retrospective data, for over two centuries of public and privately funded research. The case for your stupidity is not there and you don't make it. Before the NIH most research in the US was privately funded and we didn't lose or lag behind other nations, frequently right up to the point the government got involved. Conversely, the US and several other nations have subsequently thrown mountains of money at public research and public health to generate results that other nations were able to generate for pennies on the dollar. The only way you come out ahead is if you utterly liquidate NIH employees outside government spending, otherwise, the ~2% growth in GDP with the concomitant increase in NIH spending would feedback exponentially rather than looking like the same ~2% growth if those same people had been working filing insurance claims or tracking Amazon packages.
But again, you're obviously a dishonest fucking retard who has to start from the conclusion "If the government doesn't fund 'basic'/high-risk-low-reward/'applied' research, no one will." despite the centuries of human history demonstrating the exact opposite.
There are some areas that private companies will just not research because there is no chance they will be profitable. Say, rare genetic diseases. That research, however does benefit the public (add up all the rare diseases and syndromes and it impacts a lot of people). Such research often has side effect impacts (better understanding of how genes work) that are of wider benefit. NIH should only fund research that will benefit the public but doesn’t have a lot of profit potential. Private industry can fund the rest.
Reducing research to ROAs is myopic. Why do we allow businesses to deduct meals and travel costs from their taxes? Do they really need to socialize and network over sushi?
Research has huge network effects and brings people together. Universities are engines of networking for the sicnce and business community. University research is also counter-cyclical. When in recessions corporations lay off scientists while universities pick up the slack.
We also need to point out that our universities are the best in the world and bring in large amounts of foreign dollars. While this can be substituted to some extent by corporate research where do young people get trained to do research at corporations? Much of the research dollars are spent on enabling grad studets to get educated.
"Reducing research to ROAs is myopic. Why do we allow businesses to deduct meals and travel costs from their taxes? Do they really need to socialize and network over sushi?"
No one here assumed you had an intellect equal to a 5th-grader, but thanks for proving it yet once more.
******Zachary R. Caverley is a Physician Assistant practicing ****************Cardiology in Oregon*****************
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NO HE'S A FRAUDSTER
Those who practice Cardiology are fully qualified professionally in that medical specialty are known as CARDIOLOGISTS. They have earned doctor of Medicine (MBBS) or Osteopathy (DO) degrees from accredited schools, then completed at least 5(!) years of post-graduate residency and/or fellowship training in accredited programs. Zachary Robert Caverly is a "physician's assistant. He is NOT a cardiologist , though he fraudulently claims to practice "cardiology" as "physician's assistant."
That struck me also. Where did they find this nobody? He's not even an MD and he went to U. of Toledo a fourth tier program.
Not real sorry; should we assume a DEI hire?
Bullshit. You clearly--given your reference to MBBS rather than MD--know nothing about American medical terminology.
An MBBS, MD, or DO practicing cardiology--'the study of the heart and its action and diseases', according to Merriam-Webster--is a cardiologist. But PAs and NPs specializing in the field are also described as practicing cardiology, as you can see if you check out the list of providers at, say, the Mayo Clinic Health System.
In any case, what does this have to do with the content of his argument? If, as your handle suggests, you are yourself a physician, you presumably have no training in rudimentary logic, but you should know that what is called the argumentum ad hominem is a *fallacy*.
To summarize the arguments of the lefty shits, government does better than private research efforts.
And yet the USSR, the CCCP, No Korea, Venezuela have yet to provide any cutting-edge research.
All of it seems to derive from the profit motive.
Two additional points:
1. To borrow from Bastiat: What is seen is the money spent by private institutions on research vis a vis the money spent by government. What is not seen is the money that would be spent by private institutions on research if the money they *can* spend weren't reduced by taxes and expensive regulations.
2. It's silly to pretend that government-sponsored research is more 'disinterested' than private-sponsored research. If the research is funded by a regulatory agency, that agency is going to expect researchers to find something to regulate.