Pete Hegseth Says the Signal Chat Had 'No Classified Information.' How Is That Possible?
The U.S. has a real problem with overclassification. But the assertion that details about impending air strikes would not be classified strains credulity.

After it came to light this week that National Security Adviser Mike Waltz had added Jeffery Goldberg, the editor in chief of The Atlantic, to a Signal group chat where members of President Donald Trump's administration discussed upcoming air strikes on the Houthis, government officials issued a series of odd deflections. One of the strangest: that the information was definitely not classified.
"There was no classified material that was shared," Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard testified this week. "So, let's [sic] me get this straight," Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth wrote on X. "The Atlantic released the so-called 'war plans' and those 'plans' include: No names. No targets. No locations. No units. No routes. No sources. No methods. And no classified information."
Hegseth can choose to downplay the content of the messages, which included strategy considerations and two hours' advance notice of when the bombings would begin, including, per a message from Hegseth in the chat, the precise time "WHEN THE FIRST BOMBS WILL DEFINITELY DROP." But one thing he cannot do convincingly is claim the information, which can be found in detail here, did not meet the bar for classification.
You don't have to look far for corroboration. According to the guide from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), the agency Gabbard now oversees, "information providing indication or advance warning that the US or its allies are preparing an attack" qualifies as top secret. Hegseth then proceeded to share that information with a chat that contained a number unknown to him.
"Obviously, the unauthorized disclosure of an imminent combat operation could tip off the enemy and place American pilots, sailors, and soldiers in exceptionally grave danger," writes former federal prosecutor Andy McCarthy, now a conservative commentator, in the New York Post. "It could lead to mission failure, which itself could have catastrophic ramifications."
Many Americans are likely unaware of how low the bar is for classifying something. Indeed, the U.S. has a real problem with overclassification, zeroing in on things as meaningless as, say, how much peanut butter the U.S. Army purchased. For those familiar with the thin standard, however, it is beyond belief that impending air strikes—information that actually makes sense to classify and protect—would not meet the threshold. It is also particularly rich when considering the zealousness with which the government is willing to pursue the little people for sharing classified information.
"In any event, the claim that 'the information wasn't classified' is a red herring," adds McCarthy. "An official need not disclose documents physically marked classified in order to violate classified information laws. Some information is communicated orally and those communications are 'born classified' — i.e., they are classified from the moment they are generated — if the subject matter is secret under the guidelines, as information about imminent military operations is."
After spending years hammering former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who by all reasonable accounts also mishandled classified information, Republicans are likely eager to disabuse any onlookers of the notion that they would recklessly do the same. The effort has been unconvincing. Replace "the Trump administration" with "the Biden administration," and something tells me Republicans would not agree that details concerning an upcoming bombing were safe to share with a stranger.
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"After it came to light this week that National Security Adviser Mike Waltz had added Jeffery Goldberg"
NO. It didn't.
It came to light this week that a staffer working under National Security Adviser Mike Waltz had added Jeffery Goldberg. Not Waltz.
It's always spouting DNC talking points with you clowns, huh? You guys need to be less obvious with the brown envelope jobs.
I mean seriously. Why the hell would anyone in the Trump administration have the email or account number of Jeffery Fucking Goldberg of all people?
Literally their arch-nemesis.
This would be like the Biden Admin having Alex Jones or Tucker Carlson on the call.
Waltz's staffer who hooked up Goldberg better have all his security clearances removed and be sitting in purgatory right now.
It really doesn't matter who added them. They never should have been discussing classified information on a public app, even if it does have end to end encryption. Might as well have been storing the messages on a home computer.
Take it up with the Biden administration who approved Signal for this and deemed it a best practice.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/03/27/biden-authorized-signal/
Yes, Biden admin authorized use of Signal — but not for sensitive military intel
What your Snopes article claims at the summary doesn't match the article itself. From your own link:
"Guidance from the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Agency released in 2024 — under Biden — recommended that "highly targeted" individuals "who are in senior government or senior political positions" should "use only end-to-end encrypted communications" and suggested using an app "such as Signal." It also said Signal and other encrypted apps with "features like disappearing messages and images" help "enhance privacy."
That looks exactly like it was authorized by the Biden administration for sensitive military intel.
That is not what that means. Nowhere in that does it say to use Signal for highly sensitive material. The DoD under Biden released the following:
"Unmanaged 'messaging apps,' including any app with a chat feature, regardless of the primary function, are NOT authorized to access, transmit, process non-public DoD information. This includes but is not limited to messaging, gaming, and social media apps."
If you know people in the military, they will tell you it is widely accepted to use Signal for personal communication but NOT for highly classified material.
Just for the record, Walz - to his credit - took responsibility for adding Goldberg to the chat accidentally.
Of course it was classified, and of course those who got caught are lying about it. And of course the MAGA cult is busy denying, deflecting, and whatabouting with every fiber of their being. The good news is that nothing bad happened because of it, and maybe the embarrassment will force these pompous fools to do better.
Lots of use of "of course" butressed solely by your ignorance on classification.
It was off course
"Of course" you will be able to answer the question: "Who was the classification authority?"
Apparently the law prohibits discussion of classified information on ANY third party apps, and even having a security clearance doesn't allow the holder of that clearance to everything they happen to want. The Treasury Secretary had no legitimate reason to be in this chat at all, but there he was. Trump has appointed only Trump loyalists, regardless of qualifications or other loyalties (I'm looking at YOU, Tulsi) so no one is around who really knows any of the rules or applicable policies or laws. Generally, we have a bunch of rank amateurs in charge.
"Trump has appointed only Trump loyalists, regardless of qualifications or other loyalties"
Unlike Biden, who only put people who opposed him in cabinet positions because that's the "proper and democratic" way to do it?
As I recall the only thing Biden cared about in his hiring practices was are you an extreme liberal, preferably one with a mental illness who is pretending to be the opposite sex. Remember, half the women in his cabinet were women.
I don't see why this is a thing.
It's not like anybody - anybody - reads The Atlantic in the first place.
Plus, it's mean. Stop stomping on Jeff Goldberg's rainbows. This is like the ONLY TIME IN HIS LIFE he will ever be noticed or matter even slightly. Just... let him have it.
Not after The Scatlantic apparently has allowed a security flaw where user names and passwords can easily be accessed:
https://x.com/TheGeorgeHQ/status/1904643957382082846
I'll bet you $20 Jeff Goldberg is the kind of guy who has his PC login password taped to his monitor, and that it's "Password123!"
So, wasn't using alternative communications for the purpose of dodging FOIA requests and the like explicitly mentioned in the Project 2025 documents that nobody will admit to reading/being a part of/ knowing anything about?
Hey fucknuts. I know that you already know this, but hopefully it makes you lose fifty-cents:
Signal was approved by the Biden Administration for all these conversations. Not only that, but they deemed it a best practice.
It was preinstalled on all their phones and they were told to use it. If there is any fault here it's from your team.
Records retention requirements were observed with the government's use of Signal. There was no 'dodging'.
Signal use that was approved for this sort of thing by the Biden administration.
Project 2025 explicitly trained people on having verbal meetings to ensure nothing gets saved with no FOIA. They explicitly did make a video with pro forma notes about what must legally be saved when using Signal/etc. Haven't seen the video but likely it is along the lines of:
Ok this setting saves chat records in compliance with retention laws. This other setting doesn't and will get rid of records in a variety of time frames from an hour to a few weeks. So lots of options for doing things this way. But of course it's the other way that comports with archives retention laws.
Is that like have your own email server in the bathroom of your house?
"Project 2025"
Lol, BlueAnon is everything that the QAnon bogeyman was supposed to be.
You're citing a "recommendation" from Project 2025? Who cares? They are not the Trump administration. You know that right? And then you didn't see the video? Why even post.
Because he's JFucked.
https://www.cisa.gov/sites/default/files/2024-12/guidance-mobile-communications-best-practices.pdf
Really, you suck at this and should stop. You are just embarrassing yourself at this point.
They are incapable of feeling embarrassed.
Also, remember Binion's outrage about Hillary's server?
Or his opprobrium when Committee on Homeland Security and Subcommittee on Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Protection member Eric Swalwell was literally fucking a Chinese spy?
And when chubby Army lieutenant colonel with a dead-end career listened in on a confidential call between the President of the United States and the President of Ukraine, and then he violated all of the confidentiality terms of his security clearance and ran to unauthorized Congressional staffers to blab the contents of that confidential, high-level conversation? Remember how Binion thought that was just peachy-keen fine?
But somebody's totally-not-suss NSA staffer hooks up Goldberg without telling anyone all of a sudden it's a national security catastrophe.
What fucking clowns. What fucking hypocrites.
To be fair I think Billy was still in high school when Hillary had top secret documents in her bathroom.
>>How Is That Possible?
if you have nothing to tell go watch paint dry.
Well as we learned from the raid on Mar-a-Lago, it's only classified if the put envelopes labeled with "classified" on them.
>The U.S. has a real problem with overclassification. But the assertion that details about impending air strikes would not be classified strains credulity.
No it doesn't.
The chats are released. The only thing that probably should not have been discussed was the timing.
Everything else is 'sensitive but unclassified' and was overtaken by events (OBE) within 2 hours.
There *are* issues here - why was Signal approved for use, why did no one think to question the members who were only initials, but that's it.
80 years ago, the US was competent enough at that military intelligence thang that we could stage an entire army and our best known general in an attempt to deceive the enemy into not responding to a DDay invasion because it might save lives.
Now we no longer have to do that (or be competent) because we don't risk anything. We just drop ordinance. War the MIC way.
How Is That Possible?
Because the closest thing to classified in that entire chat was a vague timetable in 15 minute increments. The initial claim of names, sources, and/or methods was patently false.
Members of Congress don't go through the normal security clearance process. They just kind of decide who can see what on their own and discuss whatever they wish. I saw examples of that during the Vietnam Conflict. Due to the nature of my job in the military, I had an L clearance most of the time, and a Q clearance for a short time. The former let me see all Confidential documents, and some Secret, while the latter let me see all of the lower two, and some Top Secret documents. I found that a lot of documents started as Confidential, and then dropped out of that category when Congress started talking about them to people with no clearances, like the press and their constituents.
Hegseth says no confidential information. Trump apopinted Hegseth. Hegseth is loyal to Trump. Therefore Hegseth tells the truth.
If you doubt this then you are not a true believer and guilty of treason and need to be deported.
/sarcasm?
Maybe he didn't know what the "C" meant.
https://www.theverge.com/2016/9/2/12775240/fbi-report-hillary-clinton-emails-classified-label
I do love when people like you have no fucking clue on the topic at hand represent yourselves as experts on the topic.
What specifically do you think was classified?
Why did they repeatedly talk about switching to the high side to discuss specifics? Do you know what the high side refer to?
1. The entire transcript is released. Look it over and point out the confidential bit, clowntits. It was an after the fact conversation even though Goldberg initially lied and said it was before the attack.
2. Neither Hegseth, Waltz or fucking Trump himself hooked up Jeffery Goldberg up to the conversation. It was a NSA/CIA staffer who was assigned to Waltz by the Blob.
Incidentally Goldberg has done a lot of water-carrying for the CIA, starting with the Saddam/Al Qaida link he created. As Lying Jeffy would say "Hmmmmmmmmmmm".
3. The Biden administration approved Signal exactly for this purpose and declared it a best practice. The phones came preinstalled from the Blob with it. This wasn't Hegseth saying "Hey, let's just use signal".
Something happened to the minds of senior boomers like Brandyfuck, who seem compelled to eat everything CNN feeds them.
"It was an after the fact conversation even though Goldberg initially lied and said it was before the attack." I haven't heard anyone else say that. My sincere good-faith question to you is this. How do you know that it was an "after the fact conversation," particularly given that from the transcripts that I have seen, it seems to be speaking of future attacks?
Hegseth talked about how they bombed the building with the top guy in it and it collapsed. So, unless Pete can time travel and then come back to report, the discussion about the bombing was post hoc.
Goldberg also claimed that the information Hegseth disclosed in the Signal chat was so detailed that it included a list of “human targets to be killed in the attack”. It didn't. On no planet is one name a "list".
It had times but didn't have targets from what I saw or numbers.
They can argue it was sensitive (Still a reach), sure but not classified or top secret .
He should of had his own private server in a closet or stored classified information in his garage, that's ok.
If you doubt it, you obviously are so goddamn brain dead that you can’t read the full chat that has been released.
Or an MSNBC viewer. But I repeat myself.
What they did was stupid. However, it is the government that gets to decide what is classified and what is not. If the government is saying it isn't classified then who are we to say it is?
What part of "girl-bullying Republican looters are habitual liars" does Billy Boy have trouble understanding?
Needz moar Comstock
Last I checked Def Sec or President can classify or declassify items...
Hey Binion let's play your game.
It's classified information. It's a threat to national security. Why didn't Goldberg speak up? Why didn't he say "Hey, I'm not supposed to be here , you might want to check if anyone else should be?" We do at NASA vendor meetings.
You don't talk about that at all do you? Media seems to ignore that because...words right?