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Technology

The European Commission Is Assaulting American Tech Companies

Meta, Apple, Microsoft, and others have all faced legal action from the European Union in recent years.

Jack Nicastro | From the April 2025 issue

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An illustration of a referee in a European Union uniform giving a red card to a player in a U.S. uniform | Illustration: Joanna Andreasson
(Illustration: Joanna Andreasson)

The European Commission, the executive body of the European Union (E.U.), defines its role in international relations as designing development policy and delivering national aid. The commission should also acknowledge the role it plays in antagonizing American corporations on the world stage.

The commission's Directorate
General for Competition is charged with evaluating mergers, prohibiting collusion, and monitoring for abuses of dominant market position. Such abuses, in the commission's eye, include "imposing unfair purchase or selling prices….limiting production, markets or technical development….and applying dissimilar conditions to equivalent transactions." On this last basis alone, the commission brought at least five major lawsuits against American firms during President Joe Biden's administration.

Meta was fined more than $817 million for tying Facebook and Facebook Marketplace this November. In March, Apple was fined about $1.84 billion for preventing music streaming app developers from informing iPhone users about cheaper streaming services on the App Store. (Spotify—not Apple Music—made up 56 percent of Europe's music streaming market.) Intel was fined $384 million for conditional rebates and naked restrictions pertaining to the sale of computers featuring x86 CPUs in September 2023.

In July 2024, Apple was compelled to share its mobile wallet technology with competitors under a penalty of 5 percent of its daily revenue for each day of noncompliance. Amazon was threatened with a fine of up to 10 percent of the company's annual revenue for using nonpublic data for its retail business two years earlier. The E.U. General Court only recently overturned a $1.53 billion fine imposed by the commission on Google on the allegation the company had anticompetitively favored its own ad exchange.

This noncomprehensive list excludes active investigations against American firms such as the one against Microsoft for tying Teams and Office 365. Also excluded are those lawsuits against American tech firms on General Data Protection Regulation grounds, such as the $324 million fine Uber suffered in August for allegedly transferring personal data about European drivers to the U.S. without sufficient protection.

Expropriating billions of dollars from American businesses is injurious and capricious. Citizens of the E.U. benefit from the American technology sector; siphoning capital from U.S. tech firms leaves them with less to commit to research and development, stymieing further innovation. The E.U. should stop penalizing American firms that outcompete their European counterparts.

This article originally appeared in print under the headline "The European Commission Is Assaulting American Industry."

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Jack Nicastro is an assistant editor at Reason.

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  1. Chumby   2 months ago

    The US taxpayer has been subsidizing the defense of the EU for decades in the form of NAFO. That needs to end, yesterday. Afterwards, perhaps western Europe will stop acting like smug trust fund bitches.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      They could get spiteful and ask Uncle Vlad for money.

      1. Chumby   2 months ago

        I think Vlad putin enough already with all the sanctions confiscated assets.

      2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

        Apparently Australia is freaking out because we cut off almost a billion to their universities being funded by the US.

        https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/03/inflation-at-home-grants-abroad-why-were-we-funding-aussie-universities/

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

          Well, the Aussies can ask Uncle Jinping, that cuddly pooh bear.

          1. Chumby   2 months ago

            They are scared as fuck Emperor Xi will invade their island nation any day. I remind my contact there: Beijing’s next target is Taiwan. Thinking they’d go to Oz first is just a roos.

            1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

              They'd have to koalout to be that kookaburra.

            2. BYODB   2 months ago

              I don't think anyone wants Australia. It's mostly uninhabitable and even the wildlife wants you dead.

              Maybe there's some reason why China would invade, but I can't really think of one offhand outside of resources that China already controls in Africa.

            3. Vernon Depner   2 months ago

              Beijing’s next target is Taiwan.

              Or the Philippines.

        2. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

          The balls on those gaslighting sociopaths are the size of large planets.

          "The federal government must push back on the Trump administration's blatant foreign interference in our independent research in the strongest possible terms," NTEU president Alison Barnes said."

          Not bribing them with $600 million is "foreign interference in our independent research". This is Jeff-tier gaslighting insanity.

          1. Chumby   2 months ago

            They think the US taxpayer canberra lot more graft headed their way.

          2. damikesc   2 months ago

            As has been said --- if you are taking money from the US, your Australian research is sure as heck not "independent".

  2. Adans smith   2 months ago

    Not to mention all the protectionist laws and high tariffs The E.U. has. It's time to quit NATO. They bitch about Trump, but, they are far worse.

  3. шинка   2 months ago

    The Brussels' Effect.

    The EU started a trade war long ago with this bullshit. It's only now catching up to them.

  4. TJJ2000   2 months ago

    So long as they can do it Tax(i.e. Tariff)-Free!!! /s

  5. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

    The proper action to Reason is to never respond to bad acts from foreign countries. I mean tariffs are out. So is your solution war?

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

      Reddit seems to be having similar issues. Raging at prices coming down.

      https://x.com/reddit_lies/status/1903568375990583397

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Stupid TDS cunts judge things only on whether they help or hurt Trump.

        1. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

          Throw Jesse into the mix and that's basically Sarcasmic. He'd start a nuclear war if it would tweak MAGA and Jesse.

          1. Chumby   2 months ago

            Perhaps because he thinks Jesse is tall and looks like a cop.

            1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

              His imagination lends to the belief he is just jealous of me. I bet he loves his entire life jealous of other people, leading to his anger, leading to his drinking.

          2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   2 months ago

            Exactly. Sarc's Jesse Derangement Syndrome is off the charts.

            1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

              Jealous??

    2. Chumby   2 months ago

      Importing more of the worst people from foreign countries then supporting their inalienable rights to steal from, rape, and murder Americans.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Hey, don't you want to imitate our European betters?

        1. Chumby   2 months ago

          I want to be like Hiram Maxim with them: facilitate the self destruction they so long for.

    3. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

      If only you understood that tariffs tax Americans!

      How's this go?

      EU: We're fining American corporations billions out of pure jealousy.

      US: Hold my beer. We're fining American citizens billions out of pure spite.

      I thought borders were sacred. Since when is it immoral for EU to do EU things inside the EU? If American businesses think there's still enough profit to be made inside the EU in spite of billion euro fines, why is that our government's business?

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

        We get it man. No matter how much data you get, hiw much information you get, you won't change your religious beliefs. Even when proven wrong time and time again.

        Your argument is the same one the left is now using. Unilateral trade is not free trade retard. But you persist with religious fervor.

        It is a failed system. One that has hollowed out America. But you don't give a fuck because it is easier to maintain your bumper sticker beliefs than it is to research reality. Understand how market imbalances from other countries bad acts do have negative costs. You dont care. You have no interest in learning.

        So instead of responding to you I'll just keep pointing out on economics you're the same as sarc or shrike or any other big government globalist. You just want the government to be a global oligarchy of large corporations lol.

        You sound just like the reddit post above. Your theory is america bears the costs, other countries do what they want. Congrats, you support advantaged trade like a fucking moron.

        1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

          What data? What information? You have not rebutted a single one of my simple simon questions. Here, I'll repeat them for you, since you seem to have forgotten these basic Econ 101 definitions.

          Discussion is a two-way process. You see fit to never answer my two basic questions about tariffs and trade balances. At most you wander off into national security, 4D chess, environmental and labor laws, and other material irrelevant to my two basic questions. Sometimes you ask loaded questions in turn, then scoff that you have refuted me and I won't answer your questions. Or you claim I have made no predictions which you can falsify. News to you, Jesse — my questions are about definitions from Econ 101, not theories about the future. There has to be agreement about the basic definitions before any predictions are even possible.

          Squirming out of trying to define a common ground is not discussion. You are speechifying to the crowd, pretending your golden-headed idol is not an economic ignoramus. Why, I don't know, and don't care; that is your business, but the world notices, bub. You are earning your reputation.

          So once again, here are my two basic Econ 101 questions. If you answer these, then we can proceed to predictions and discussions about the future. Leave out the national security environmental labor laws bafflegarb and the weird little corner cases which only show up in ivory tower PhD theses — this is Econ 101 basics, not 4D chess. It's a sorry general who doesn't understand the most basic aspects of his weapons. Trump has proven he doesn't. Prove you do. Dare to differ.

          1. Trade deficits are the same as foreign investment. If one grows, so does the other, and ditto for shrinking. The name change doesn't magically reverse one of them. How can Trump grow foreign investments while reducing the trade deficit?

          2. Tariffs are taxes on imports. Taxes raise revenue for the government from higher prices paid by importers and passed on to consumers like all other business expenses. If tariffs did not raise prices, they would be pointless, because the entire point of protective tariffs is to raise prices so high that domestic producer prices are suddenly relatively cheaper — not because they became more efficient, but because the government raised import taxes. This is protective tariffs, not revenue tariffs — the purpose is to discourage imports, not collect more revenue. 2024 imports were worth $3 trillion. 2024 income taxes raised $5.1 trillion in revenue. Import tariffs would have to be 170% to match income taxes, which would of course reduce imports too much to produce meaningful tariff revenue. How could Trump's tariffs replace the income tax?

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   2 months ago

            So once again, here are my two basic Econ 101 questions.

            Way too advanced for Jesse. Give it up.

            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

              turd, the TDS-addled ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

            2. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

              Pretty sure SGT doesn't want help from the guy who still pretends the Biden jobs and economic figures were real.

              1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

                If he think it's help, it's dreck.

          2. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   2 months ago

            Well, I can certainly understand why Sarc thinks you're Jesse's sock.

            (/sarc)

            1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

              Lol.

              They have a lot of traits in common.

              First to post a response then cry if their response gets a response.

              Funny how all the ones I called put as sharing his views joined in. Lol. Well sarc hasn't yet but he will.

              1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

                You're the one crying in your soup every time I call you out for not admitting Trump is an economic ignoramus.

                You're the one whining for a conversation, then refusing to even discuss the basic Econ 101 definitions because you don't want to admit Trump is an economic ignoramus.

                Keep on crying. It does the body good.

                1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Democrats are domestic terrorists)   2 months ago

                  SGT, I think you need to go relax, and have a nice juicy Trumpburger.

              2. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

                No. Once SGT told Sarcasmic to fuck off, the drunken retard has been insisting that you and SGT are the same guy.

                No, really. You two fight like cats and dogs over tariffs but because you both think Sarcasmic is an idiot, he thinks you're the same guy.

                1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

                  Well sarc is a fucking moron.

                  I tend to not respond to STG now on economics as there's really no point in discussing things with fanatics. But he continues to respond to me when I point out all the predictions the false free marketers make continue to be wrong.

                  Would do STG well to understand that all models are wrong, some are useful. When your model has zero predictive ability, it's time to trash it or evolve it.

                  1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

                    You have not refuted anything that anyone who understands economics has said.

                    You have succeeded in attacking their intelligence, attacking strawmen, refusing to answer direct questions, associating them with people you hate, lying about already answering questions, and obfuscating.

                    But you have not refuted 250 years of economic study.

                  2. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

                    Would do you well to understand (a) Trump is not perfect, and (b) Basic econ definitions.

                    You don't respond because you have no coherent response, because the only coherent response is admitting Trump is an economic moron.

                    You haven't proven a single thing about free markets.

                    1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

                      You’re kicking your ass in this “debate” Jesse.

                    2. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

                      Remember when Sarcasmic went apeshit because we suspected he was Sqrlsy sock?

                    3. SQRLSY   2 months ago

                      Marxist Mammary-Farter-Fuhrer THE Moist Excellent NecroFartiac is Satan's PervFected Sock!!!!

            2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   2 months ago

              That had to be one of the most ridiculous, retarded things I've ever seen Sarc say in a long line of ridiculous, retarded things.

              For those who doubt the veracity of the comment, here it is in full living color (one of the rare comments I've bookmarked):

              https://reason.com/2025/03/21/chuck-schumer-thinks-only-republicans-hate-paying-taxes/?comments=true#comment-10969159

              sarcasmic 2 days ago

              Look at the Jesse sock that understands economics, but is otherwise still an insufferable cunt.

          3. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   2 months ago

            2024 imports were worth $3 trillion. 2024 income taxes raised $5.1 trillion in revenue. Import tariffs would have to be 170% to match income taxes, which would of course reduce imports too much to produce meaningful tariff revenue. How could Trump's tariffs replace the income tax?

            Massively reduced spending? 😀

            1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

              Doesn't even make sense as a response as it has nothing to do with what I said.

              My response and belief is purely reciprocity as stated below. Bad acts deserve to be recognized and responded too. STG can't understand that.

              His viewpoint will never end in free trade as other countries will continue to enjoy their advantages with no responses. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

              1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

                Ah, another point of ignorance. Unilateral free trade works fine, but you'd have to admit that tariffs are domestic taxes first, and then have to agree that cutting domestic taxes is a good idea.

                Giving the government more revenue from tariffs is not the path to lower spending.

            2. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

              Shit, great idea. But that requires changing Social Security and Medicare, and Trump refuses to discuss that.

          4. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   2 months ago

            How could Trump's tariffs replace the income tax?

            It would not be close. Trump is ignorant.

            Maybe more ignorant than progressives who think "taxing the 1% will fix the deficit!" (No, a 100% tax on the 1% would only cut the current deficit in half).

            But half is a lot closer than the ignorant tariff claim.

            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

              turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

            2. sarcasmic   2 months ago

              Trump and his defenders believe that tariffs don't raise prices because we don't pay them. That's why Trump created the Bureau of External Revenue - to collect tariffs from Canadians, Mexicans, Chinese and such.

              1. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

                That must be why Canadians, Mexicans and Chinese are so happy about having their products tariffed and are totally not at all upset.

                1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

                  Looks like sarc joined in lol.

              2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   2 months ago

                Hey, um, dumbshit, care to explain why you think SGT is Jesse's sock?

          5. sarcasmic   2 months ago

            What data? What information?

            Hey Jesse, you're making your alter-ego look better than you and yourself look dumb by not answering your questions.

            1. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

              Hey Jesse, you're making your alter-ego look better than you

              Hahahahahahahahaha... Sarcasmic is so fucked in the head.

              Give it a break, retard. Nobody believes your crazy theory.

              1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

                STG should take which team he is on here as evidence maybe his model is wrong.

                The worst and most ignorant of the economists here.

                Thats the thing, and why globalist cooped free trade describing unilateral trade.

                I even showed sarc where the formation of these ideas came from, largely the same schools as Keyenesian economics.

                50 years of failure but they persist.

                1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

                  You attack people and say they are wrong because of who they are or who they are associated with, and that impresses your fellow imbeciles, but it doesn’t refute Econ 101.

                  1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   2 months ago

                    Are you always this self-unaware, or is this just a show you put on here?

                2. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   2 months ago

                  STG should take which team he is on here as evidence maybe his model is wrong.

                  You should consider that your mode of presenting assertions and no actual arguments isn't all that superior to Sarc. Fuck "teams". I don't know any of you and not a single one of you warrants any more respect than the cogency and salience of your logic and argumentation. I haven't paid all that much attention to your slap-fights with STG, but at least when I argue against him he actually bothers to respond to my points, which I have noticed you don't seem capable of with his. I may not agree with him every time, but you seem to just equate "loud" with "correct", which other than the fact that you align with my sense of reality a lot more frequently, would seem to put you far closer to Sqrlsy in terms of mental horsepower.

                  Do better. Or, y'know, don't, it isn't as though I actually care. I think you're capable, but perhaps you'd simply prefer not to exercise that.

                  1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

                    Except this has been a multi week response from STG lol.

                    He's been pounding this argument over and over with sarc ever since he got embarrassed when Canada and Mexico backed down from the initial tariff threats. Literally hours before that even many of us told STG the reason for the tariffs was to get them to secure the border. He attacked everyone who told him. Then raged when it happened hours later.

                    As stated above, I leave him alone on his economic ignorance until he responds to me.

                    This isn't a one off from him. But dozens of times of showing he can't ever get past his bumper sticker formation of economics. I've listed books and articles for him to read and he refuses just like sarc did. So I have zero respect for him on this issue.

                    I am not making bald assertions here.

                    I haven't paid all that much attention to your slap-fights with STG, but at least when I argue against him he actually bothers to respond to my points, which I have noticed you don't seem capable of with his.

                    And this is where you must have missed me being nice to him and listing out arguments for him to rage and dismiss without a counter.

                    Got tired of it after the above incident. And since that incident he just comes in like sarc to start shit constantly. Notice in the last few back and forth he is always the one to initiate lol.

                    Sorry man, but you don't know the entire history. He has zero respect from me on economic views as he refuses to learn or counter arguments. He just dismissed and attacks. And I'm not the only one this is happening too. He has done the same to Red Rocks when asked to show when tatiffs correlated with inflation. He couldn't so he attacked. He is worthless to have discussions with on economics. Full stop.

                    1. Alberto Balsalm   2 months ago

                      You.
                      Are.
                      Full.
                      Of.
                      Shit.

                    2. sarcasmic   2 months ago

                      You said a lot of things about the people you disagree with and nothing about what you disagree about.

        2. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

          First: You don't speak for everybody. "We" don't get it? You don't get it. You can't even be honest about that.

          Second: You didn't answer any of my points. You never have, not even two simple Econ 101 definitions which scare you to death, as if contradicting Trump's ignorance is a mortal sin.

          Point 1 was simple: why is Americans hurting Americans proper retaliation for Europeans hurting Americans? But of course, that would require admitting that tariffs are domestic taxes, which would require admitting Trump is an economic ignoramus.

          Jesse? AWOL. Can't even admit such a simple truth about such a simple definition.

          Point 2 was simple: You like to present American borders as sacrosanct and scoff at other countries complaining about US government actions within US borders. Why are not EU borders also sacrosanct? Why is it any business of the American government to complain about what the EU government does within EU borders? Oh, but that would require admitting that the EU has equally and reciprocal concerns about what happens within the US:

          * US data protection laws.

          * US environmental laws.

          * US labor laws.

          Jesse? Hypocrite.

          And then you pivot to all sorts of bafflegarb which has nothing to do with the two simple definitions (tariffs and trade deficits/foreign investments) and nothing to do with those two simple points.

          America is NOT hollowed out. Manufacturing as dollars is higher than ever before; employment is down because that's how productivity increases, by doing more with fewer employees so other industries have resources to use. Your logic says we should ban ATMs to employ more bank tellers, ban automatic elevators to employ more elevator operators, and ban self-serve gas pumps to employ more gas jockeys. But admitting that would showcase another Trump lie, and you can't do that. Your idol with the golden head is too preciousssss.

          But "we" get it. The whole world sees you weave and dodge and change the subject. That's not what winners do. That's what losers do.

          Loser. Go back to posting news snippets. You're good at that.

      2. Nobartium   2 months ago

        If American businesses think there's still enough profit to be made inside the EU in spite of billion euro fines, why is that our government's business?

        Amongst other reasons, this is a main duty of governments, negotiations.

        But as I've already said, there are no free marketers at the global scale.

      3. BYODB   2 months ago

        Who do you think shoulders the costs of EU meddling one might wonder.

        The answer is consumers, worldwide, including Americans.

        Of course, it doesn't really matter. These corporate interests want access to the EU markets and are willing to charge you a lot more for the privilege.

    4. Nobartium   2 months ago

      The only solution is for US businesses to cease operations there.

      But this will never happen, because nobody in corporate America is a free marketer.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

        Given that our corporate overlords are all "citizens of the world" what do you expect?

      2. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   2 months ago

        Or just ignore the fines.

        "OK, well, feel free to call our American bank and insist that you have the authority to withdraw that from our accounts. Let us know how that works out for you."

      3. BYODB   2 months ago

        Agreed. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's more or less the EU's goal.

        They want the European equivalent of Facebook, only they want it under their control so they can use it however they want to manipulate and police their own populace.

        American companies are largely happy to go along with the EU's diktats, but they haven't fully capitulated as much as the EU wants them to. Yet.

  6. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

    'Such abuses, in the commission's eye, include "imposing unfair purchase or selling prices….limiting production, markets or technical development….and applying dissimilar conditions to equivalent transactions."'

    Hmm, sounds like their target exactly matches their own behavior. Maybe they should prosecute themselves.

    1. Stupid Government Tricks   2 months ago

      Except they've stifled their domestic industry so much that they haven't got any of their own industry to fine. The ones that are big enough, like car manufacturers, got big before the EU got big, but don't worry, their green energy is sapping the life out of them. The VW emissions scandal was their last chance; if they were to do that again, VW might shrink too much.

  7. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

    Not convinced tariffs will help US mfg'ing, but:
    "Canadians furious at U.S, but furniture giant Prepac shuts down its British Columbia plant and moves jobs to North Carolina amid tariff debate and worker backlash"
    [...]
    "Prepac Manufacturing Ltd, a Canadian furniture manufacturer, will close down its Delta, British Columbia, plant and has planned to move its operations to North Carolina in the United States, as per a report. The move, which will reduce the workforce of 170 at the Delta plant, has set off a heated controversy over whether US tariffs contributed to the closure, reported Industrial Equipment News..."
    https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/canadians-furious-at-us-but-furniture-giant-prepac-shuts-down-its-british-columbia-plant-and-moves-jobs-to-north-carolina-amid-tariff-debate-and-worker-backlash/ar-AA1BkxDy?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    Might well be Cnd union stupidity rather than tariffs.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

      Here is another link about reciprocity for trade. Something I've supported for over a decade.

      https://www.barrons.com/articles/reciprocal-tariffs-manufacturing-fairness-trump-trade-8426d6b2?st=u2wgnB

      Simple policy. Purely reactive. Achieves actual free trade if other countries drop to no tariffs. Something people like STG would hate.

      1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   2 months ago

        What, anywhere, has STG said that makes you think they would "hate" a zero tariff situation? They seem to be arguing pretty strongly that they would, in fact, prefer to at the very least not have the American government levy tariffs on American citizens. Why do you think there would be an objection to other governments not levying tariffs on their own citizens as well?

        1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

          Because he decries and attacks any response as wrong, see above.

          His solution and his advocacy is for unilateral trade where the US never raises a tariff in response to others. His system has no response mechanism to have other countries maybe reduce their tariffs. He has attacked even purely reciprocal taxes on other nations. Meanwhile every other nation has higher tariffs than the US.

          Oddly a handful of countries are now working to reduce their tariffs to zero in response to Bessent and Trump.

          https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2025/02/14/bessent-well-put-our-tariffs-to-zero-with-a-country-that-does-likewise/

          As I've let STG know many times now. A tit for tat strategy has largely optimized and reduced overall trade penalties or tariffs for decades in economic modeling games.

          But his response is always the US is never allowed to respond. So ultimately his goal is never reduced or zero tariffs, his goal is to have the US be disadvantaged to other countries and bad actors. We have almost 50 years of unilateral markets under his demands, and the situation gets worse and worse.

          So he may claim to want zero tariffs globally, but in reality he advocates and defends advantaged markets for non US entities.

          1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

            To simplify it. He treats economics like Soros prosecutors. Never jail violent criminals and hope they just stop being violent. That's what his economic policy is.

          2. BYODB   2 months ago


            We have almost 50 years of unilateral markets under his demands, and the situation gets worse and worse.

            Frankly, this is the bit that makes me seriously question what my Econ professors were telling me in college regarding unliteral free trade and comparative advantage. I know it's a truism in the field, but in reality something seems suspect about it given the track record.

            I'll fully admit I might not be savvy enough since I always had a bit of trouble with the logic of comparative advantage, but I did very well in economics despite that. The fact of the matter is that reality doesn't seem to line up with what is taught in Econ 101 and 102. Parts of it do, but other parts don't which means there must be some flaws in their reasoning somewhere.

            1. Gaear Grimsrud   2 months ago

              It's a dismal science.

            2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

              Those models are built from incorrect assumptions. So they don't work.

              It is the same as all models built for ideal situations. If you built a 747 assuming ideal physics and atmospheres, they'd be falling out of the air all the time.

              Most of these simplified models ignore negative responses and controls. Thinking of responses more like a PID controller where a response is required to keep a stable system makes far more sense and matches reality far more.

              Unilateral and comparative advantage makes sense on short term and ideal thinking. But oddly long term planning and results are disastrous as there is no response control from continued advantage seeking from foreign countries.

              China's trade minister even stated this clearly where they were giving up short term gains from comparative advantage to cripple US and European industrial bases to create an artificial dependency. A dependency we now see clearly happening.

              On top of that we just saw the true costs of this dependency during covid and the supply chain destruction that played a hand in inflation and costs.

              1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

                Friction coefficients and six add to ideal physics. They don’t negate it.

                You claim is that Econ 101 is completely negated because of added complexity, which is just false.

                No Econ professor tells his students to forget everything they learned up to that point because it was simplistic theory for simple minds.

                All of your denials of economics are based upon politics, not economics.

                1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

                  *such* not six

              2. BYODB   2 months ago

                Economics purports that people are rational and make choices to maximize benefit to themselves on average.

                Rational choice theory can be shown to be false on the micro level simply by going outside and meeting some average people.

                They basically steal a base by saying 'on average' which just makes me think economists have never met a single average person in their lives, nor are they able to imagine one.

                1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

                  The primary problem is a) people aren't rational and b) they assume rationality is purely economic when it isn't. Some value time greater than money. Others put the value of minimal effort over money. These are "rational" choices based on an individuals value.

                  This is why simplified economic models don't work. It is much closer to a chaotic system in which case controls are needed, response limiters needed, etc.

                  None of the simplified economic models predicted the tulip craze, the stock market crash, why fartcoin had a 1B valuation, etc. Sure they all attempt to explain after the fact, but that is not predictive in nature.

                  This is why I started reading behavioral economics and the addition to game theory and other behavioral models as the proper economic modeling. But those models admit to not being purely predictive as there are too many unknowns.

                  The most important part of that, however, is the acceptance of knowledge. If China is going to be anti free market and manipulative, that becomes part of the models and the correct economic impulse changes from a simplified no knowledge purely rational system.

                2. sarcasmic   2 months ago

                  Average people make choices you would not make, and that proves they’re irrational. So choices should be made for them. Leftists say the same thing,

          3. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   2 months ago

            None of what you said here signals any rational indication that STG would "hate zero worldwide tariffs". It indicates that he thinks your strategy is flawed, but that isn't anywhere near the same thing.

            1. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

              I don't know how to say this simpler.

              His views don't lead to what he claims to want. See soros prosecutor example above.

              If you claim you want something but then attack any and all means to get that something, do you actually want it? It is even worse than the Nirvana fallacy because he refused to even recognize or admit his views causes an advantaged market. He has even joined with sarc in arguing unilateral markets are free markets even after being given the actual definition of free markets.

              Like sarc and others saying "fuck you cut spending" then attacking any attempt to do so.

              Cmon man, you're smarter than this.

              1. Chumby   2 months ago

                What about Sarcramento? Sarcborough could work too if he lives in Scarborough.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 months ago

        Thanks for the Barron's link. I'm beginning to grasp the theory.

    2. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

      Might well be Cnd union stupidity rather than tariffs.

      More about Premier David Eby, an uglier, stupider version of Trudeau who wants to deindustrialize Canada, being rabidly anti-industry, than about tariffs or unions. David Eby read about Pol Pot and year Zero and said "Me too".

  8. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   2 months ago

    This is why free-trade globalism is inevitable and MAGA provincialists are wrong again.

    No Fortune 500 corporation wants to limit their reach to just the USA. Sure, Google or Microsoft could tell the EU to stuff it and leave that market. But they will never forego such a large market.

    Donnie represents shrinkage - Davos represents American execptionalism.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   2 months ago

      "Libertarians for the WEF!"

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   2 months ago

        No.

        "Capitalists for Free-Trade Globalism"

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

        2. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

          There's nothing free about your globalist regulatory empire, Nazi.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   2 months ago

            Let's see, I support free trade. You (Mother Lament) support tariffs/protectionism.

            I support free market capitalism. You support MAGA progressives.

            I support secularism. You support Christian theocracy.

            I support balanced budgets. You support Trump Big Debt/Deficits.

            I am anti-nation building. You are pro-Gaza, pro Soviet Trumpist.

            I support Jews. You are a raging anti-Semite.

            Looks like you are the Nazi, ML.

            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

              turd, the lying TDS-addled shit-show of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

            2. sarcasmic   2 months ago

              You forgot his support for armed government goons barging into houses without warrants to arrest people without charges and deport them without due process.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   2 months ago

                And you white knight anything that goes against your supposed "mean girls".

              2. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

                Remember when Sarcasmic wanted internment camps for vaccine refuseniks? But now kicking Venezuelan gang bangers who snuck into the country illegally back home is practically Hitler.

                He's like if somebody wrote the cheesiest, most hackneyed characterization of a Democrat.

            3. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   2 months ago

              You support fucking kids.

              You posted hardcore child pron links to Reason.

              You got you original account permabanned.

              You are full of shit.

              You are a fucking Democrat in libertarian clothing.

            4. DesigNate   2 months ago

              You support managed trade, lying fuck.

              1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

                Only if you buy Jesse’s lie that support for free trade must mean support for free trade agreements and managed trade.

                Jesse knows dick about economics, but he is a master at lying, attacking people with false accusations, and fooling idiots who feel that attacking a person negates what they say.

                Don’t be an idiot.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   2 months ago

                  Your Jesse Derangement Syndrome knows no bounds.

                  1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

                    I'm trying to get promoted from ambassador.

                    Letting him flail in his retarded drunken responses without comment has really annoyed him lol.

                    1. Chumby   2 months ago

                      You hoping for Prime Meanister?

                    2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

                      I like it. Name accepted.

                2. DesigNate   2 months ago

                  That was supposed to be a reply to shrike who, for years now, bitched about Trump pulling out of the TPP, which was 100% unabashedly managed trade.

                  1. sarcasmic   2 months ago

                    Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

            5. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

              Wow. Give me one example of you supporting Jews or free market capitalism because this is a shocking change of heart given your posting history here.

              In fact just last week you were raging about Bibi and the Zionists.

              Next you're going to try to tell us you don't call Blacks "shine boys", "porch monkeys", and "lawn jockeys".

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

  9. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   2 months ago

    Boeing secures $20 billion contract for F-47 fighter jet under Trump administration

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2025/03/21/boeing-trump-fighter-jet-contract/82595053007/

    MEanwhile the Neo-Nazi frat boy Pete H finds $500 million in defense cuts.

    #SpendingLikeDrunkenSailors

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    2. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

      Wait, what are you even trying to claim here, aside from pretending that DOGE has already audited the military?

  10. MollyGodiva   2 months ago

    Europe has a different perspective on privacy and anti-trust than the US. I do not see either as inherently unreasonable. If US tech companies don't like the EU rules, they are free to cease doing business there.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

      "Europe has a different perspective on privacy and anti-trust than the US."

      This is how MG spells "imbecility".

    2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

      Well yeah. Because you're an authoritarian.

      1. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

        Totalitarian.
        Authoritarianism is characterized by a strong central government that allows people limited political freedom, whereas totalitarianism asserts total control over the lives of its citizens. Tony thinks authoritarianism is for wimps.

    3. sarcasmic   2 months ago

      If US tech companies don't like the EU rules, they are free to cease doing business there.

      Yup.

      1. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

        You do understand that Tony is neglecting to mention that those weren't the rules until Brussels pulled them out of their ass just now, right?

      2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   2 months ago

        Sarc, how many times do I have to tell you that no matter how hard you simp, Molly is still not going to fuck you?

    4. JFree   2 months ago

      The reason big tech gets pissed at Europe is because it forces them into protecting data privacy. That pressure seems to have no effect on American customers who don't give a shit about privacy. But at some point we might - and when that day comes, it will be Europe that proves that it is possible to protect privacy and data property. And that forcing competition ain't bad either

  11. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

    Venezuela agrees to allow repatriation after TdA housed in El Salvador. Damn. Almost like actually responding to bad acts of other countries can end in good outcomes. Weird.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/venezuela-resume-accepting-us-deportation-flights

    1. Chumby   2 months ago

      Should jeff, sarc, pluggo, Molly, retard white mike, et. al. collectively find themselves in another country that wants to ship them back to the States, it would take considerable pressure for Washington to acquiesce and give the green light for that.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

        Fair.

      2. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   2 months ago

        Says the obedient party apparatchik.

        1. Chumby   2 months ago

          Says the MAPedo that posted links to cp in the Reason comments that resulted in that account getting banned.

        2. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

          Says the failed politruk trying to get his old job with Open Society back.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   2 months ago

            Do you two fight to see who gets to suck Donnie's cock first?

            1. Chumby   2 months ago

              How’s your White NAMBLA Dudes for Harris support group holding up?

            2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

              turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

            3. sarcasmic   2 months ago

              Ha!

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   2 months ago

                And then you white knight the pedo. Is that the look you really want here, dudette?

                1. Chumby   2 months ago

                  Not sure many Reasonistas had “sarc fellating MAPedo Pluggo” on their bingo card for today. But there it is.

                  1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   2 months ago

                    He has been doing it for months.

                    1. Chumby   2 months ago

                      It was bad enough when he craved White Mike’s cawk, but this is a new low.

                    2. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

                      To be fair, he thought White Mike was ENB, so it wasn't totally gay.

                      Maybe Pluggo nostalgically reminds Sarc of the guy he used to peddle his ass to as a teen for drugs and smokes.

                      20 pumps for a cigarette, 100 for a joint.

                    3. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   2 months ago

                      Wait, it was determined that White Mike wasn't ENB?

                    4. JesseAz (Prime Meanster of Sarcasia)   2 months ago

                      White Mike had a pathetic YouTube channel and we found his shit political website. He was just an ENB stan.

            4. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

              Do you two fight to see who gets to suck Donnie's cock first?

              Welp, now we know what the kids chained up in Pluggo's basement are doing tonight... If they're still alive.

              It's never so much projection as fantasy for our dirty old Georgian.

  12. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   2 months ago

    Elon Musk Thinks He’s an Ayn Rand Hero. Nope: He’s One of Her Villains.
    ...
    This brings us to the inconvenient fact that Musk is unquestionably a looter in Rand’s schema. Musk’s companies rake in billions of government subsidies, and Tesla has only been able to stay solvent with government assistance. One might forgive this in the interest of ramping up electric vehicle production in order to replace internal-combustion vehicles. But Musk uses his coziness with the state as an economic weapon. Musk himself has said, “Take away the subsidies, it will only help Tesla,” a clear admission that he would use state power to cripple his competitors.

    https://www.thebulwark.com/p/elon-musk-thinks-he-is-an-ayn-rand-hero-nope-one-of-her-villains-silicon-valley-thiel-andreessen?utm_source=publication-search

    Good stuff if you like Ayn Rand.

    1. damikesc   2 months ago

      Good lord, you actually read The Bulwark?

      Been saying you were a neocon Bush war pig. You're proving the case admirably.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   2 months ago

        Libertarians write for the Bulwark. I know that pisses you off.

        1. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

          No libertarian has ever written for the Bulwark. It is however founded by arch-neocon, Bill Kristol and manned by the Iraq War cheerleading crew David Frum, David French, Jonah Goldberg, Max Boot, Rick Wilson, Paul Ryan, Liz Cheney, etc.

          The only Bushpig here is you, Buttplug, and you prove it time and time again.

          1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   2 months ago

            http://www.cathyyoung.net/

            My politics can be described as libertarian/conservative -- leaning more libertarian on some issues and more conservative on others.
            ....
            I am a strong believer in individual rights and limited government. I believe in judging people as individuals, not on the basis of membership in a group.

            I said LIBERTARIAN. Not a MAGA jackass like yourself.

            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

              turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
              If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
              turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

            2. Mother's Lament - (Here's your attention, Sarckles)   2 months ago

              1. The Bullwank is arch-neocon Kristol's magazine. Young just writes NeverTrumper articles for it.

              2. The anti-Musk rant you posted was written by Paul Crider, who also writes for Jacobin. No, really. Jacobin.

              3. Young is about as libertarian as ENB and Shikha. Also, didn't Young grow up in Moscow. How come Tulsi is somehow Putin's devil daughter but you're giving Young a pass?

              Retardation like this is why Open Society will never give you your old job back.

          2. Gaear Grimsrud   2 months ago

            True but Reason editors are avid readers of The Bulwark. Rumored that USAID pays for their subscriptions although it hasn't been independently verified.

        2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   2 months ago

          turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
          If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
          turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.

    2. JFree   2 months ago

      Tesla would be dead without the 100% tariffs on EV's. They make more cars in Shanghai than they do in TX, CA, and Germany combined. But the tariffs give Tesla a protected market here in the US at a high price point. And their Shanghai factory gives them a low price point for the rest of the world.

      If we had free trade, ain't no way Tesla (500 k global production) could compete with China EV/hybrid producers - 13 million production.

      1. markm23   2 months ago

        Chinese-built EV's are only competition when the ships carrying them make it here, without ships and their cargos being destroyed by battery fires en-route.

  13. MWAocdoc   2 months ago

    Nowhere in the article did I see anything about how US tech companies responded to the "fines" except for the one that was overturned by the EU Court. It would be interesting to see what options US tech companies might have besides paying the fines or changing their business models. How much revenue do they get from customers in the EU? Is it technically feasible to stop providing service to everyone in the EU? What percent of their revenues comes from there?

  14. AT   2 months ago

    siphoning capital from U.S. tech firms leaves them with less to commit to research and development, stymieing further innovation.

    Please go back and reread how socialism works, Jack. This is pretty much it in a nutshell.

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