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DOE Set To Die

Plus: How NYC botched weed legalization, tuberculosis programs paused, "everything's computer!" and more...

Liz Wolfe | 3.12.2025 9:30 AM

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Department of Education cut in half: As of Tuesday, the Education Department is about half the size it was when President Donald Trump took office just a few weeks ago.

Seemingly per the Department of Government Efficiency's guidance, the Department of Education cut 1,315 workers. In addition to those firings, "572 employees accepted separation packages offered in recent weeks and 63 probationary workers were terminated last month," reports The New York Times (which seems substantially more concerned about these moves than I am).

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Laid-off workers "will remain on the payroll for 90 days, receiving full pay and benefits, and be given one week of pay for each of their first 10 years of service and two weeks' pay for every year of service beyond 10 years," per the Times. (Seems reasonable.)

Trump needs congressional approval to fully close the office, which he appears motivated to do. The issuance of Pell Grants for low-income students and funding for special ed programs will not be affected by the current cuts; if the department is fully shuttered, it remains to be seen what will happen to these programs.

The DOE should best be thought of as a "grant maker and a loan lender," higher ed expert Peter Granville tells CBS News. It manages student loans and operates the Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA) program, which services some 17 million students each year. Trump has called the department "a big con job" which…isn't how I'd put it, per se, but isn't totally wrong.

In fact, its operation of such programs has, in some cases, allowed more students to access a college education than otherwise would have. But "easily accessible loans led to skyrocketing tuition," writes Reason's Emma Camp, "and gave schools an incentive to create low-value programs accepting students unlikely to graduate, all to absorb government money." If federal student loans were abolished, private loans or income-sharing agreements could fill the void (and colleges might bring down their out-of-control prices).

"Federal money is inevitably accompanied by rules and regulations that keep the influx of funds from having much, if any, impact on student outcomes," reads The Heritage Foundations' (hilariously reviled) Project 2025 guidebook for what conservative policymaking could and should look like. This is accurate! (It goes on to endorse school choice, arguing that "Washington should convert some of the lowest-performing public school systems in the country into areas defined by choices, creating rigorous learning options for all children and from all backgrounds, income levels, and ethnicities." Correct again!)

"The real victims will be our most vulnerable students," says Becky Pringle, the president of the nation's largest teachers union. It's not really clear how, especially if Pell Grants and special ed program funding is preserved. Trump isn't saying all public schools should be closed, or that all schoolteachers should be fired; he's merely trying to bring greater control of education to states and localities (which already decide the most important things, like curriculum). Also, for all the hubbub—much of it warranted—about Trump's penchant for flouting the Constitution, it's worth pointing out that it gives the federal government no authority to govern education.

Averting shutdown: "The House on Tuesday approved a stopgap bill aimed at funding the federal government through September 30 and preventing a shutdown after the Friday deadline," reports CNN. "The legislation now moves to the Senate, where it's largely up to the Democrats to decide whether to support the measure or risk a shutdown."

Compared to FY 2024, defense spending is expected to increase by $6 billion while nondefense decreases by $13 billion. If a measure to fund the government fails to pass, the federal government will shut down on Friday, which amusingly means only 900,000 federal workers will be furloughed—considered nonessential—while 1.4 million will be expected to continue showing up to work.

The political dynamics of a government shutdown would be fascinating, given the efficiency push by DOGE and the Trump administration; we're already seeing wild amounts of malicious compliance, so would a little more even matter? The fact that some government operations cease might give Musk and team more ideas about how to make the cuts they desire.


Scenes from New York: "If the first half of the 20th century was termed 'the golden age of child play,' the first quarter of the 21st feels like a death rattle. The mid-'80s brought milk carton kids. Amber Alerts, which send out messages about missing or abducted children in suspected danger via cable news, radio, and text message, were invented a decade later. In the early 2000s, certain prosecutors started cracking down on child truancy. Now, in the 2020s, that icon of American ingenuity—the McDonald's PlayPlace—has started to become replaced by screens, with glorious plastic kingdoms torn down all across America. The culture shifted from one of widespread permissiveness to one of extreme scrutiny and worry. And nothing was exempt from this parenting culture shift, not even the playgrounds."

From my latest, a deep dive into padlocked playgrounds and lawsuits and safetyism in parenting culture. Easy-to-digest X thread version HERE if reading long articles ain't yer thing.


QUICK HITS

  • A new documentary out on how New York botched its weed legalization because it was too obsessed with "equity":

  • Conservative paradise? I don't think so: "Hungary's government will limit the profit margin for grocers on a number of basic food items, the prime minister said on Tuesday, a response to growing inflation hitting consumers in the Central European country," reports the Associated Press.
  • Ukraine has just accepted a U.S.-led proposal for a 30-day truce between the embattled country and its aggressor, Russia, as part of a deal with the Trump administration "to lift its freeze on military aid and intelligence for Kyiv," per Bloomberg. Now, the American delegation, helmed by Mike Waltz, Trump's national security adviser, will meet with the Russians to get their buy-in. The Ukrainians "made concrete steps and concrete proposals, not only accepting our proposal for a full ceasefire," Waltz said. "We also got into substantive details on how this war is going to permanently end, what type of guarantees they're going to have for their long-term security and prosperity, but also really looking at what it's going to take to finally end the horrific fighting."
  • American-funded tuberculosis programs worldwide have been paused due to aid freezes President Trump announced upon taking office. A New York Times investigation maps the fallout: "Family members of infected people are not being put on preventive therapy. Infected adults are sharing rooms in crowded Nairobi tenements, and infected children are sleeping four to a bed with their siblings. Parents who took their sick children to get tested the day before Mr. Trump was inaugurated are still waiting to hear if their children have tuberculosis. And people who have the near-totally drug-resistant form of tuberculosis are not being treated."
  • "A rise in skepticism toward romance is a loss, not just for boys but for society as a whole," writes Faith Hill at The Atlantic. "Romantic love isn't better or more important than platonic love, but it's different—and telling yourself you have no need for it doesn't necessarily make it true."
  • LMAO. Saudi Arabia! You cannot make this up. (Confirmation that it's true and not a joke.):

No joke: Meet the new Chair of the U.N. Women's Rights Commission. pic.twitter.com/Dw9mSd5l2R

— Hillel Neuer (@HillelNeuer) March 11, 2025

  • Feud watch:

This tweet from Trump's account is very misleading.

I never voted for a CR that became law. I did vote for a CR under McCarthy that included an 8% cut to all discretionary spending, but unfortunately that CR did not become law.

Do research and you'll find I've been consistent. pic.twitter.com/XSEFGvsbFE

— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) March 11, 2025

  • Everything's computer! Love or hate the man, he's pithy and funny.

Trump: Wow… Everything's computer
pic.twitter.com/LjGoZD4Qk8

— Acyn (@Acyn) March 11, 2025

  • Still promoting this. Not going to stop until everyone's seen it. Our Just Asking Questions episode with James Pogue was one of my absolute favorites. For the preceding episode, we had on Matt Taibbi. For this week's episode, Tom Woods. Please check out our channel, it has been so hard building a new one from scratch and any like/comment/view/subscribe goes a really long way. Thank you so much!

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    Department of Education cut in half...

    President Solomon!

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

      Lancaster or Boehm article condemning the move in 3... 2... 1...

      1. Ajsloss   6 months ago

        "Anything positive to come out of this is unintentional." -Lancaster

      2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

        Emma will be here asking about FAFSA soon.

        1. Stupid Government Tricks   6 months ago

          I'll be glad when that well runs dry.

    2. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

      Donald the Trump out to cut the Gordian knot.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

        Gordian? Is that the "G" in NGO?

    3. Moonrocks   6 months ago

      If we cut the Department of Education in half, and then cut it again in half, and then cut what's left in half, and so on, will we ever be rid of it?

      1. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

        Back in college, I botched an economics exam question by saying the farmer should keep 27.5 cows. I'd guess when the Dept Ed. is down to a single employee, we won't chose to cut it in half again. OTOH, that employee could work part-time, when that 0.5 cow was not ever going to be part of the herd.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

          But now that animal could identify as part moose, and you would be legally bound to recognize her half-cowness.

        2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

          Why was your professor against cross breeding and not letting the farmer create the cowdonkey?

          1. Jefferson Paul   6 months ago

            If it's possible to cross-breed like that, why not create the Donkey-Phant (Eliphonkey?) so the establishment uniparty has a mascot?

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

              "pig and elephant DNA just won't splice"

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

                Who really wants an elephant that shits like a pig?

              2. TrickyVic (old school)   6 months ago

                Isn't that a Bon Jovi tune?

                1. Stuck in California   6 months ago

                  Loverboy, actually.

        3. Stupid Government Tricks   6 months ago

          That was a calf, which would grow into a 1.0 cow, which would breed and recreate the entire herd eventually.

          1. Uilleam   6 months ago

            FYI technically you need 1.0 cows and 1.0 bulls to achieve that, so...

            1. Zeb   6 months ago

              Nah, you only need a few ml of the bull to do that.

              1. Uilleam   6 months ago

                Fair, but someone has to milk him. Not it.

        4. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

          0.5 cow sounds like veal to me.

        5. Eeyore   6 months ago

          Or. The last person actually gets cut in half. Think of it as a special sacrifice to the gods of education.

        6. EISTAU Gree-Vance   6 months ago

          Don’t have half a cow, man.

      2. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

        You just blew my public school educated mind.

        1. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

          AND DON'T ADD ELLIPSES TO MAKE ME HAVE SAID:

          "You just blew m..........e........"

      3. VinniUSMC   6 months ago

        Cut it in half, and then cut the other half. Then it's 100% cut, and we can party.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    The issuance of Pell Grants for low-income students and funding for special ed programs will not be affected by the current cuts; if the department is fully shuttered, it remains to be seen what will happen to these programs.

    In all seriousness, the country needs skilled tradesmen. And a lot of the kids would probably be better off following that path.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

      Why do hate immigrants? How are they going to feed their families in El salvador if Americans fill all the trade jobs?

      1. Idaho-Bob   6 months ago

        Would be funnier if it wasn't so goddamn true.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

        Food trucks?

        I mean the word "food" is right in there.

    2. Randy Sax   6 months ago

      I don't know about y'all, but my high skool did everything in it's power to get people into 4 year college programs. Everything else was considered a failure. Trade skool? failure. Associates degree? failure. Military? failure. They boiled it down to a percentage of success/fail placement and pushed the students as hard as they could into the "success" pile.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

        Likewise. There was a push by them to get everyone into a college, and this was back in the early 1990s.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

          Now it looks like they might as well have mailed every high school graduate a college diploma. Except, of course, for the "needs" of hordes of professors and administrators.

        2. Uilleam   6 months ago

          Yep

      2. DeAnnP   6 months ago

        Because that was a way of defending outrageous CEO salaries. "Don't have class envy, if you want to make the same, then you go to college like that CEO did." Blue collar jobs were something to be ashamed of, and not worthy of comfortable lifestyles. You didn't earn it like those who went to college did.

        1. DesigNate   6 months ago

          Derp da derp da tidddly terp.

        2. damikesc   6 months ago

          "Work smarter, not harder" was one of the most asinine thing the education establishment ever dreamed up.

          1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 months ago

            It's a phrase about efficiency. Even blue collar job it's generally better to work smarter not harder.

      3. Zeb   6 months ago

        We had some pretty good vocational programs. But still too many people were on the college prep track.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    But "easily accessible loans led to skyrocketing tuition..."

    Government subsidies lead to higher costs? Now I've read everything.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

      MOAR RESEARCH!

  4. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    "The real victims will be our most vulnerable students," says Becky Pringle, the president of the nation's largest teachers union.

    "Don't cry for me," says the union. "I'll be fine. But think of the children, left out in the cold, underdoctrinated, without dues-paying teachers to tell them what to think."

    1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   6 months ago

      How many times can the hardest hit be hardest hit?

      I’m literally shaking right now.

  5. A Thinking Mind   6 months ago

    Remember how there was a terrorist attack on Nee Year’s Day? Weird how few people seem to even be talking about that having happened.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

      They got the car that did it.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    Also, for all the hubbub—much of it warranted—about Trump's penchant for flouting the Constitution, it's worth pointing out that it gives the federal government no authority to govern education.

    Do we really want to go down the slippery slope of analyzing all the things the federal government does extraconstitutionally?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

      Yes, please.

      1. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

        You fascist!

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

          Thank you.

          (Best response when called a "fascist" in 2025.)

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

      Can we at least get a yearly list published?

      1. Longtobefree   6 months ago

        I think they do that now.
        But they label it "The Budget".

        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

          That would work, but that would require Congress actually passing that thing you called "The Budget".

          1. Uilleam   6 months ago

            We have to pass it to know whats in it?

            1. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

              Damnit, all. Foiled once again. Guess we'll just have to keep shoveling money at them till they "solve" the "problem" they were created to "fix".

  7. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    The legislation now moves to the Senate, where it's largely up to the Democrats to decide whether to support the measure or risk a shutdown.

    Yeah, I'm thinking if there is a shutdown, CNN ain't gonna be reporting it's the Democrats' fault grandma is eating cat food.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

      I thought we killed grandma?

      1. Ajsloss   6 months ago

        Not we. It was those damn kids on spring break, getting covid down in PCB and bringing it back for grandma's birthday party.

      2. Eeyore   6 months ago

        I tried.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    ...what type of guarantees they're going to have for their long-term security and prosperity, but also really looking at what it's going to take to finally end the horrific fighting.

    The horrific if lucrative fighting.

  9. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    American-funded tuberculosis programs worldwide have been paused due to aid freezes President Trump announced upon taking office. A New York Times investigation maps the fallout...

    Feel free to use your own funds to save the world, NYTimes. The United States of America is out of money.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

      Without USAID, so is the NYT.

    2. mad.casual   6 months ago

      It's weird how immigrants, even illegal ones, are an unbridled good that we should obliterate borders over but, somehow, the if the government doesn't pay to obliterate tuberculosis no one will prevent it themselves and it will just spread everywhere unchecked killing everyone in its path.

      And I think I just explained to myself why they call it consumption and white death.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    A rise in skepticism toward romance is a loss, not just for boys but for society as a whole...

    So suddenly it isn't romantic for boys to be called toxic rapists. What do the lads want?

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

      Sandwiches?

      Also, don't stand in front of the TV.

      1. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

        Or talk during play.

        1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   6 months ago

          Or most other times. Unless asking what I want on my sammich. Which she should know by now.

    2. Randy Sax   6 months ago

      When you have the top 90% of women fighting for the top 10% of men and refusing to "settle", these are the outcomes you will see.

      1. I, Woodchipper   6 months ago

        it's simple hoe math

      2. Eeyore   6 months ago

        When one of those women finally go out on a date with him and find out he isn't a Democrat, her head will explode.

        1. I, Woodchipper   6 months ago

          No they will go along with whatever if they find him attractive. It's true

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

            And by attractive you mean his salary and bank account?

    3. mad.casual   6 months ago

      Just a year or two ago we were thinking about the Roman Empire every day and that was a problem. What happened? Make up your mind!

  11. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    No joke: Meet the new Chair of the U.N. Women's Rights Commission.

    Maybe he's a woman. You don't know.

    1. Quicktown Brix   6 months ago

      They is wearing a table cloth on thats head so them's probably down for making sandwiches at least.

      1. Jefferson Paul   6 months ago

        In wokespeak, is "they," when used to refer to one non-binary person, considered a singular pronoun, or is it plural? It's all so stupid to me, and there are no grammatical rules for this. I've just only seen you, when you're using it in jest, use a singular verb with "they." I guess a singular verb makes more sense since the antecedent is still a singular person, despite the plural pronoun.

        1. Quicktown Brix   6 months ago

          Yes "they" is used as singular as we use it for an undeclared gender. Like I might say, "If the customer has money, they can enter, but if they don't, make them leave."

          However, when you know the person it becomes quite stupid as you said.

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

      It is how they "fix" gay over there; respect different cultures!

      1. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

        Gays for people that throw gays off roofs!

        1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

          Surprised Iran never got a USAID contract to study if gays could fly.

          1. Idaho-Bob   6 months ago

            I laughed way too hard at this. Damn.

          2. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

            Seems appropriate.

          3. Eeyore   6 months ago

            They have been studying how high a building you need, without any funding from us.

          4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

            Tinkerbell?

    3. Randy Sax   6 months ago

      In Kazakhstan, it is illegal for more than five woman to be in the same place except for in brothel or in grave.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

        What about waiting in line to vote? Or in a classroom?

      2. mad.casual   6 months ago

        And you only trust the ones in the grave.

  12. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    Feud watch...

    It would be better if Trump and Massie wouldn't feud, but what can you do.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

      Trumpfields and McMassies? 😉

      1. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

        THIS WAS A STUPID COMMENT WHICH I DID NOT AT ALL CHUCKLE AT.

        1. VinniUSMC   6 months ago

          AT ALL!

    2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

      Gotta say I'm on Massie's side on this one. But yeah, Trump is on the cusp of realizing 75% of Massie's dreams. Perfect/good etc.
      They need to create a working relationship.

      1. Quicktown Brix   6 months ago

        They need to create a working relationship.

        Trump only cares about loyalty and Massie works on principles. Trump won't change and Massie shouldn't.

        1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

          It's received wisdom that Trump only cares about loyalty. Plenty of times he's made peace and promoted people who fought with him or publicly disdained him. JD Vance and Marco Rubio are good examples.

          What he doesn't care for, and nobody in their right mind would, are people who betrayed their oaths like Milley, or received their orders and purposefully did the opposite like Bolton or Deborah Birx.

          1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

            The deep state should be revered. According to many here.

            1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 months ago

              Well they did help Hillary come up with a plan to try to keep the orange one out. It didn't work out, got a little messy, but they are still appreciative.

            2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

              Libertarians for big government!

          2. Quicktown Brix   6 months ago

            Plenty of times he's made peace and promoted people who fought with him or publicly disdained him. JD Vance and Marco Rubio are good examples.

            Received wisdom is usually correct.

            He made "peace" only because they reformed and bent the knee. Trump's favorite loyalty is when it humiliates the servile pawn. He even praised Fetterman when he kissed the ring at Mar-a-lago. But look at those that didn't bend the knee like Pence or Amash; still in exile.

            1. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

              Amash participated in an attempted coup against him. How should he react?

              1. Quicktown Brix   6 months ago

                Coup?

                We're not living in the same reality so we'll find no middle ground.

                1. Uilleam   6 months ago

                  You're not as clever as you think.

                  1. Quicktown Brix   6 months ago

                    ?

            2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

              That doesn't even make sense. There was no public humiliation of those people, they just kissed and made up.
              That's what people do when they decide to work together. They make up.

              Amash, on the other hand, deliberately lied about the contents of the Mueller Report in a vain attempt to support his aborted presidential run, and has never once apologized and to this day still acts like he's the aggrieved... and does Trump even know who he is?

              Pence is the same. He doesn't want to make peace with Trump. He was the GOPe's chosen man to keep Trump under their control and replace him with, and he's never approached Trump and said let bygones be bygones.
              Instead he ran for president on an anti-Trump platform. And contrary to that same received wisdom, Trump didn't attack him back during the campaign and said he wouldn't.

              You can't make peace and have rapprochement with men who don't want to.

              1. Quicktown Brix   6 months ago

                That doesn't even make sense.

                To you. I guess the different mindset between those predisposed to be loyal to a cult of personality leader and those predisposed to reject it may be causing our very different opinions on what is "letting bygones be bygones" vs. "one side doing humiliating bending of the knee" while the other side makes no concessions.

                Amash, on the other hand, deliberately lied about the contents of the Mueller Report in a vain attempt to support his aborted presidential run

                Can you refresh my memory on that? I don't remember Amash lying, only that he thought the report contained sufficient evidence that Trump had obstructed justice to impeach.

                1. DesigNate   6 months ago

                  Who has done humiliating bending of the knee (besides Ted Cruz)?

                  What do you consider humiliating bending of the knee might be a better question.

                  1. Quicktown Brix   6 months ago

                    Bending the knee = abandoning your principles or waffling on things you believe to take on those of the leader.

                    I'd argue a great many R's
                    and l's did this with tariffs/ free trade, spending and the stolen election belief for starters.

                    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

                      Who abandoned their principles? Did Rubio? Did Vance? They're both saying exactly what they were saying before. If anyone shifted a little it's been Trump.

                2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

                  "Can you refresh my memory on that? I don't remember Amash lying"

                  When he claimed Trump had committed impeachable offenses he deliberately lied about what Mueller said in the report in order to do so. Not just misinterpreted, lied.

                  He then peddled the same lie in two different interviews with Reason.

                  The "libertarian" condoning the weakest impeachment effort in history to undo an election.

                  And he's never apologized for this since, even though we now know that everything was based on a) bullshit and b) actual criminal activities by the Bidens and c) a whistleblower who perjured themselves.

                  Amash likes to portray himself as a principled conscientious objector, and Reason likes to help. He is not. He lied about the report solely to kickstart his failed campaign ambitions.

                  He was never a Massie and always a fraud.

                  1. Quicktown Brix   6 months ago

                    When he claimed Trump had committed impeachable offenses he deliberately lied about what Mueller said in the report in order to do so. Not just misinterpreted, lied.

                    You just reiterated your claim without expounding. What lie?

                    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

                      From the donkey in elephant drag himself:
                      https://x.com/justinamash/status/1129831615952236546

                      Read it all, and marvel with hindsight how absolutely crooked and corrupt the whole thing was. But here is the part relevant to our conversation:

                      "Contrary to Barr’s portrayal, Mueller’s report reveals that President Trump engaged in specific actions and a pattern of behavior that meet the threshold for impeachment."

                      Mueller in fact said the opposite of this.

                      "In fact, Mueller’s report identifies multiple examples of conduct satisfying all the elements of obstruction of justice, and undoubtedly any person who is not the president of the United States would be indicted based on such evidence."

                      Again, the Mueller report does not do this. If Amash read the report as he claimed he must be deliberately lying.

                      But hey! It earned him a thumbs up from Brian Krassenstein.

                    2. Quicktown Brix   6 months ago

                      Meh. I'll concede rather than reading the whole report. Thanks for clarifying though.

                  2. Quicktown Brix   6 months ago

                    Rubio was always MAGA? Really?

                    Vance:
                    I’m a ‘Never Trump’ guy. I never liked him.
                    – PBS interview, Oct. 2016
                    I think that I’m going to vote third-party because I can’t stomach Trump. I think that he’s noxious and is leading the white working class to a very dark place.
                    – NPR interview, Aug. 2016
                    Now
                    "For the last eight years, President Trump has given everything he has to fight for the people of our country. He didn’t need politics, but the country needed him."
                    "President Trump represents America’s last best hope to restore what, if lost, may never be found again: a country where a working-class boy born far from the halls of power can stand on this stage as the next vice president of the United States of America."

                    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

                      Don't be retarded. I said he hasn't changed. Like many people, he realized that half the shit everyone thought was "MAGA" were inventions of the Hillary Campaign.

            3. Incunabulum   6 months ago

              Pence is irrelevant, not on 'exile'.

        2. VinniUSMC   6 months ago

          Brix thinks loyalty means unquestioning devotion, like worship. Hint: that's not what loyalty is. You can be loyal to someone without being a "yes man".

          ML has it right. Trump doesn't seem to expect "yes men", he expects people with the balls to stand up when he's wrong, instead of pretending to be on board, and then turning around and leaking shit to the news, going on the news to trash talk him, or subversively undermining him. Act like a weasel, get treated like a rat.

          1. Quicktown Brix   6 months ago

            You're wrong about what I think. I disagree with all your claims in the 2nd paragraph. Pence is exhibit 1. He was loyal in every way you described up to and beyond "hang Mike Pence."

            1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

              You do realize that the whole "hang Mike Pence" thing was a hoax, right?

              In all the J6 crowd videos there is only one guy yelling it and everyone else around him is calling him a "Fed" and telling him to fuck off.
              The J6 committee's Hollywood director added his own crowd sounds for the testimonies.

            2. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

              Repeating sqrlsy lies now?

            3. Quicktown Brix   6 months ago

              Whether the crowd chanted "hang Mike Pence" or not is irrelevant and not something I care to argue about now. The point is Trump and MAGA discarded a loyal ally for doing his Constitutional duty. That's what I was referring to.

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

                Narrative uber alles!

                1. Quicktown Brix   6 months ago

                  He says to entertain the vast majority of commenters that think and say exactly what he does. Interesting.

              2. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

                A quote so irrelevant you...quoted it.

                1. Quicktown Brix   6 months ago

                  Its like talking to a devout person and mentioning dinosaurs. When they derail the conversation saying dinosaurs are a trick of Satan, and the universe is 6000 years old, you realize you're in an argument you never wanted with someone that doesn't share your reality. So you try to nicely exit the conversation but they keep reminding you how you are guilty of blasphemy.

    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

      Bundy-esque protest? And now with DOGE cuts there won't be any rangers to drop a dime!

    4. I, Woodchipper   6 months ago

      Because Trump is not a libertarian and not even close. He is more or less correct in a lot of the direction he his taking, but in a lot of ways also very much pro-leviathan. Shrug. Whattyagonnado.

  13. Mickey Rat   6 months ago

    A less pearl-clutching take on the Khalid deportation case:
    "Can Trump Deport a Green-Card-Holding, Pro-Hamas Columbia Grad?"
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/03/can-trump-deport-a-green-card-holding-pro-hamas-columbia-grad/

    "His most prominent role seems to have been as a negotiator of sorts on behalf of student radicals with the university administration. Objectively speaking, his activities are pro-Hamas, but I assume that if the government had strong evidence that he’d committed the crime of providing material support to a designated terrorist organization — such as recruiting or fundraising on behalf of Hamas — the Justice Department would indict him.

    Fortunately, it need not be provable in criminal court that an alien agitator committed crimes in order to establish that the alien should be deported.

    Section 1227 of the immigration laws controls deportation. For the most part, deportation on security-related grounds — subsection (a)(4)(A) – (C) of the statute — is triggered by criminal activity. The statute, however, indicates that activities do not necessarily have to be crimes in order to warrant deportation if they are “terrorist activities” or involve support for the overthrow of the U.S. government by force. The “terrorist activities” provision incorporates by reference the terrorism provision we discussed above — §1182, governing the exclusion of aliens from entering our country.

    This provides the Justice Department with an opening to argue that Secretary Rubio is right: An alien, even an LPR, has no right while in the United States to join with groups that endorse or espouse terrorist activity — activity that would be a basis for excluding the alien from the United States in the first place."

    That is, a legal immigrant has no free speech right to retain his green card when supporting terrorist groups and activities and does not have to be convicted of a crime to be in violation of his his resident alien status.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

      I posted yesterday what his group supported publicly. It was a lot of violence, taking down western countries, terrorism, etc.

      Easily removable by any definition of our immigration system.

      https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1899348525298729368.html

      1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

        The Democratic Party is only days away from kidnapping a bunch of Jews to exchange as hostages for Khalid.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

          The Hamasocratic Party.

          1. VinniUSMC   6 months ago

            That makes it sound like they're critical thinkers (Socratic). I vote no on this name change.

            Let's just go all the way, The Rat Party.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

              Demonrat Party? I know it’s tried and true…

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

                Just say Marxists.

      2. Marshal   6 months ago

        To be clear: he doesn't just support Hamas. He's an actual member of an organization which openly advocates terrorism and the "eradication of Western Civilization".

        Claiming this is about speech and therefore the 1st Amendment protects him is the same as claiming actual Hamas membership should not disqualify someone from immigration. It would not surprise me if left wingers actually believe membership in terrorist groups should not be disqualifying, but I'm willing for this to remain a core difference between us and put it before the American public.

    2. mad.casual   6 months ago

      His most prominent role seems to have been as a negotiator of sorts on behalf of student radicals with the university administration.

      Weird how every time Trump tosses a rock, it hits *another* Islamic Religious Scholar.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

        Just like every city we bombed in Iraq was holy.

  14. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

    No Department of Education? OMG! If the government does not tell people what to learn, they might learn the wrong things! And that will be the end of (D)emocracy!

    (Seriously, I wager that is what most Democrats actually think.)

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

      Now x-tians will ban Snow White and be teaching their kids to hate the gays!!!

      1. Fats of Fury   6 months ago

        Was Chemjeff a consultant on the New Snow White shitshow?

    2. I, Woodchipper   6 months ago

      They definitely think that.

  15. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    Trump: Wow… Everything's computer...

    The only things I've ever seen Trump actually drive was a garbage truck and a golf cart, so of course he's going to be impressed.

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

      HE'S UNQUALIFIED TO RUN A NORMAL CAR!!!

      1. Ajsloss   6 months ago

        "Driving dies in darkness." -WaPo

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

          At least my bags ride for free when I drive.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

            Gas, grass, or ass.

            1. Anomalous   6 months ago

              It's a Tesla. So just grass or ass.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

      There was that time he shoved Secret Service agent out of the way to take the wheel of The Beast to go back to the Capitol on Jan 6.

      1. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

        All while throwing ketchup packets at everyone.

      2. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

        Forgot about that.

    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

      Are you saying Mars Largo doesn't have the latest and greatest most advanced golf carts for its 80 year old members?

    4. Fats of Fury   6 months ago

      If his lunge had been successful he could have driven the presidential limo.

    5. VinniUSMC   6 months ago

      It's silly, maybe derivative, but it's true?

    6. EISTAU Gree-Vance   6 months ago

      Dude can drive a garbage truck from shotgun position. That’s talent right there.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    Still promoting this. Not going to stop until everyone's seen it.

    I'M NOT WATCHING IT. But I will listen to it through where I get podcasts.

  17. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

    Well that CR is fun. Usually not a supporter, but this one is better than the one Massie voted for under McCarthy.

    Rep. Chip Roy Press Office

    @RepChipRoy
    1) The CR freezes spending (a win in the swamp).

    2) No earmarks.

    3) No giant omnibus.

    4) Allows for the president to use impoundment.

    The impoundment is the winner here. It let's Trump and the audits of DOGE basically cut government spending without going through lengthy recission. This will also stop the judicial activists claiming 100% of appropriation needs to be spent.

    So while there is zero growth, in reality it is a means to allow for cuts of wasteful spending that's already been allocated as they go through the normal budget process for next year.

    1. Jefferson Paul   6 months ago

      That sounds so good that I fully expect it to be rejected by the Dems (and a few GOPe) in the Senate. It will probably get watered down so much that all of the good things will be removed in reconciliation.

      I hope I wrong.

  18. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

    Joe Bidens Green New Deal slush fund was ran by a familiar name, John Podesta. Most of the money was sent to newly formed pass through entities connected to democrats.

    https://nypost.com/2025/03/05/business/john-podesta-375m-epa-slush-fund-gave-billions-to-newly-formed-charities/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

      Why do you hate (D)emocracy?

    2. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

      When are they going to arrest that pedophile already?

      1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

        Jeff's still commenting below... Oh, you mean Podesta.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

          And here I thought he was talking about Buttplug.

      2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

        Cmon man. The IC created pizzagate that occurred right after all those pedestal pedophile emails dropped proved he was never a pedophile. Ask shrike.

        1. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

          That’s right I forgot, pizzagate was debunked. The guy that debunked it getting arrested for child porn is just a coincidence.

        2. Jefferson Paul   6 months ago

          I don't recall anything like that with Podesta, other than being a Dem swamp creature. What were the Podesta pedophile allegations?

          1. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

            Listen to the recent Ian Carroll episode of Rogan.

    3. TrickyVic (old school)   6 months ago

      It's all about supporting the party.

      Democrats have more in common with Mao than Trump does with Hitler.

      1. Jefferson Paul   6 months ago

        That's because you're not doing it right. Anyone to the right of Mao is automatically a far-right fascist like Hitler.

  19. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

    Such a fascist.

    Marco Rubio
    @marcorubio
    After a 6 week review we are officially cancelling 83% of the programs at USAID.

    The 5200 contracts that are now cancelled spent tens of billions of dollars in ways that did not serve, (and in some cases even harmed), the core national interests of the United States.

    In consultation with Congress, we intend for the remaining 18% of programs we are keeping (approximately 1000) to now be administered more effectively under the State Department.

    Thank you to DOGE and our hardworking staff who worked very long hours to achieve this overdue and historic reform.

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

      Looks like Chemjeff and Tony might need to get real jobs.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   6 months ago

        Not a chance in hell.

      2. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

        Lying Jeffy can sit in his mom’s basement pounding cheesypoofs and lying on the internet with or without that paycheck.

    2. Ajsloss   6 months ago

      83%... 18%... What's going to happen with the rounded off remainders? Superman III?

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

        Close enough for government.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

        Officespace.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

          "It's not stealing!"

        2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

          “I must have put a decimal point in the wrong place or something. I always do that. I always mess up some mundane detail.“

          1. Bertram Guilfoyle   6 months ago

            MollyG wears at least 57 pieces of flair.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

              You know, the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.

            2. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

              Lumberg fucked her

    3. mad.casual   6 months ago

      (and in some cases even harmed), the core national interests of the United States.

      Again, USAID funded, judging by the layoffs, half the staff of Stonewall Lobby group which, since 1998, has been supporting the criminalization of homophobic speech and gender reassignment surgery on minors.

      It wasn't only harming US interests.

  20. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

    DOGE turns it's sights on the political consultant class liek Booz Allen Hamilton that has revenues of 11B a year with 98% of it from government.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/doge-has-consultant-cabal-run

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

      Which side has bigger balls?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

        AC/DC.

        1. Ajsloss   6 months ago

          +1

        2. Dillinger   6 months ago

          lol. nice.

      2. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

        Randy Marsh?

  21. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

    “A senior official at USAID instructed the agency’s remaining staff to convene at the agency’s now-former headquarters in Washington on Tuesday for an “all day” group effort to destroy documents stored there, many of which contain sensitive information.”

    Rep. Tim Burchett @RepTimBurchett
    This is why Americans want to see people in cuffs.

    Because it's juxtaposed by people being arrested outside abortion clinics praying and singing or people arrested at home by feds with guns drawing for similar "crimes".
    These people and those like them need to get the Roger Stone treatment.
    Full SWAT and perp walk.

    1. Knutsack   6 months ago

      According to a Whitehouse spokesperson, it's not quite as nefarious as it seems.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

        Yeah. As long as digital copies remain, which they said is true, not a big issue.

        Maintaining classified areas is expensive.

        I do question why there is so much classified material at USAID though.

        1. Ajsloss   6 months ago

          As long as digital copies remain, which they said is true, not a big issue.

          It'd be a shame if some bleach spilled on the servers.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

      Usually documents get destroyed for the following reasons:

      1. Cutting off diplomatic relations and preparing for war.

      2. Stopping the enemy from obtaining your documents when they’re closing in, preparatory to surrender.

      3. When you’ve been caught doing something criminal and don’t want to be incriminated by those documents.

  22. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

    'American-funded tuberculosis programs worldwide have been paused due to aid freezes President Trump announced upon taking office. A New York Times investigation maps the fallout: "Family members of infected people are not being put on preventive therapy. Infected adults are sharing rooms in crowded Nairobi tenements, and infected children are sleeping four to a bed with their siblings. Parents who took their sick children to get tested the day before Mr. Trump was inaugurated are still waiting to hear if their children have tuberculosis. And people who have the near-totally drug-resistant form of tuberculosis are not being treated."'

    Shorter NYT: How dare Americans spend their money on themselves! Except, of course, properly privileged people who live plush lives in one of the most expensive cities in the world.

    Oh, and we demand a generous SALT!

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

      Name and shame the governments that were making Americans pay for their tuberculosis programs. Speculate on the graft by their leaders.

      1. Ajsloss   6 months ago

        I think you're onto something since the former president of Kenya was just talking about how America owes Kenya nothing. Any wagers on how wealthy the current president of Kenya is?

        1. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

          It’s a shame the people of Kenya have to take to the streets and overthrow him now.

          Or was that going to be funded by usaid?

  23. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

    No joke: Meet the new Chair of the U.N. Women's Rights Commission.

    It was his turn!

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

      Are you a biologist?

      1. Longtobefree   6 months ago

        Not a biologist, also not a veterinarian; but I can tell a cat from a dog.

        1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CatDog

        2. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

          What about a catfish from a dogfish from a batfish?

          1. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KIOTE8w37ZM&pp=ygUfcmVuIGFuZCBzdGltcHkgbXVkZHkgbXVkc2tpcHBlcg%3D%3D

        3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   6 months ago

          My German shepherd caught a mouse last night. True story.

  24. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

    If you ever wondered how AI let's you door dash doritos, Kamala has the answer.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/watch-someone-invited-kamala-harris-speak-major-ai-conference

    1. mad.casual   6 months ago

      Shawn Farash @Shawn_Farash

      It doesn't get worse than this.

      Actually it could've been worse. She could've been president. We dodged a bullet.

      We didn't dodge a bullet. A better man than most of us knowingly stood up and literally drew their fire.

    2. I, Woodchipper   6 months ago

      civilization dodged a bullet

    3. VinniUSMC   6 months ago

      JEEZUZ, and that's Commie-Llama sober... !

  25. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

    I bet they did.

    CBS News requests FCC stop probe into edits of '60 Minutes' interview with Kamala Harris

    1. VinniUSMC   6 months ago

      News outlets beware, air your shit in full view, or swallow down like good little shit-eaters.

  26. Moonrocks   6 months ago

    American-funded tuberculosis programs worldwide have been paused due to aid freezes

    I mean, that sucks and all, but how is the public health of the entire rest of the world the responsibility of the US taxpayer?

    a further thought: perhaps the billionaires that spent millions of dollars on "non"-government organizations targeting political speech could send a few bucks that way.

    1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

      An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

      We live in a global economy now, stopping disease outbreaks at their source makes it less likely that there will be one of those outbreaks here.

      Would you rather the US government spend money to stop Ebola in Africa, or the US government spend even more money to stop Ebola in the US?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

        Were these programs doing that, or were they more for graft? What was their effectiveness?

      2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

        "Would you rather the US government spend money to stop Ebola in Africa, or the US government spend even more money to stop Ebola in the US?"

        You sure do love your false dilemmas, don't you, Jeffy?

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

          Okay smart guy, how do you expect dirt-poor countries in Africa to stop disease epidemics?

          Recent ones like with Ebola and tuberculosis have only been stopped with international help.

          You can yell at them all you want for not having the resources to fight disease epidemics, but yelling doesn't translate into dollars.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

            How to stop epidemics? Duh, just use those fool-proof, super-effective COVID protocols. Lock everyone down and seal the borders. And artisan face masks. You supported that, right?

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

              Let me know when you're ready to offer a serious answer.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

                He gave you one befitting of your line of inquiry.

              2. Chupacabra   6 months ago

                How about we stop funding the bio-weapons labs, such as the ones in Wuhan and Ukraine?

              3. damikesc   6 months ago

                Why is it OUR concern, out of curiosity?

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                  If you don't fight the disease there, you will fight the disease here.

                  1. damikesc   6 months ago

                    Wow, a neocon virologist.

            2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

              Don’t forget to lock the bears in trunks.

          2. sarcasmic   6 months ago

            Okay smart guy, how do you expect dirt-poor countries in Africa to stop disease epidemics?

            They don't. Duh.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

              You don't have to be some bleeding-heart liberal to understand why spending money on disease prevention overseas is a wise idea. If you don't fight the disease there, you will fight the disease here. If we don't want more COVID-style public health lockdowns and mandates here, why not fight diseases elsewhere? Do Jesse and ML et al. really want more lockdowns and quarantines?

              1. sarcasmic   6 months ago

                Keep the disease out by deploying the military at the border and killing anyone who tries to enter illegally and by cutting legal immigration down to the bone, and then let the dirty foreigners die.

                1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

                  See, you understand libertarianism after all, if not a tad retarded in the framing.

              2. damikesc   6 months ago

                We could not allow them here due to health protocols to begin with.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                  Did travel restrictions stop the spread of COVID?

                  1. Nobartium   6 months ago

                    They could have, if it has been detected ahead of time.

                    But the exact same group of people funding this bullshit were also gaslighting us about the rona.

                    And setting that aside, we have known for a long time that Africa has bad disease control, so it would be easy to identify and stop travelers.

                  2. Marshal   6 months ago

                    Did we have travel restrictions? Or did we have Nancy Pelosi and Bill DeBlasio telling us to go to Chinese New Year and hug some Chinese people to prove we aren't racist?

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                      Yes we had travel restrictions.

                      https://www.dhs.gov/archive/coronavirus/protecting-air-travelers-and-american-public

                      How do you not know this?

                    2. Marshal   6 months ago

                      Check the dates hero. When travel bans could have worked you were still calling them racist.

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                      This is called "shifting the goalposts". You asked if there were travel restrictions. I pointed out that yes, there were travel restrictions. A person of integrity would have said "thank you for answering my question, but I was unclear when I asked it, I was actually referring to travel restrictions prior to that date." But you are not a man of integrity, you're a shit-stirring troll.

                    4. Marshal   6 months ago

                      This is called "shifting the goalposts".

                      I'm sure that's the important aspect to you. People with more empathy would care more that your need to call those you hate racist killed millions of people.

                    5. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                      Now here comes the appeal to emotion in order to deflect. Isn't that what leftists do? Does that make you a leftist?

          3. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

            "Okay smart guy, how do you expect dirt-poor countries in Africa to stop disease epidemics?"

            Stop stealing the people's money and pocketing all the mineral and oil dollars China is paying them.

            It's pretty racist of you, Jeff, to assume that Africans are incapable of good governance.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

              I didn't say they were incapable. That was you. I said that they lack the resources. Which is demonstrably true.

              I agree that most African nations (most nations generally, actually) are mismanaged. But yelling at them to clean up their act won't actually stop diseases from spreading. Moral shaming doesn't actually work as a practical strategy to accomplish things.

              Besides, even if they were the most well-governed nations on earth, these diseases still exist. You can't scold diseases into going away.

              1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

                Nowhere did I say they were incapable, but anyone reading the dreck you posted throughout this thread will see that you definitely inferred it.

                Serious question, when you make a claim to the contrary of everything else posted thus far in the thread, do you think the previous things you and I wrote here just disappear?
                Like reality shifted the second you wanted to change it, and nobody can see your previous statements anymore?

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                  No, that was you projecting your racist bullshit onto me. I never once said or even inferred that they were incapable. I said from the outset that they lacked the resources to do so.

                  Serious question, do you think you can get away with lying about me indefinitely just because you have a supportive choir of mean girls to always defend you?

                  1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

                    Okay smart guy, how do you expect dirt-poor countries in Africa to stop disease epidemics?
                    Recent ones like with Ebola and tuberculosis have only been stopped with international help

                    They're too poor and backwards to figure it out!!!

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                      I didn't say "backwards", I didn't say that they couldn't "figure it out". I said they were poor and therefore lacked the resources to effectively fight the disease. It was you who entirely invented "backwards" and "couldn't figure it out" and projected it onto me because you're a lying shitweasel.

                    2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

                      Yeah, keep lawyering. That'll convince everybody.

                    3. DesigNate   6 months ago

                      You implied it by asserting that we did in fact need to spend OUR tax dollars on it.

                    4. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                      Uh huh. Sure. So if you want to go the ML route and project onto me things I didn't say so as to generate the strawman villain that he so desperately wants to argue against, then that is your choice I guess. I thought you were better than that.

                  2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   6 months ago

                    Uggh. Yeah, and don’t even start with the picture ID to vote stuff. Those backwards people here in our rich country just can’t figure it out.

                    You are consistent, Jeff.

          4. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

            Same way dirt poor nations like America did in the past? Struggle through them and keep building a relatively free market with cheap drugs on delivery. Create clean water sources and handle waste management. And end the corruption that is fueled by these very same aid programs.

          5. TrickyVic (old school)   6 months ago

            ""Okay smart guy, how do you expect dirt-poor countries in Africa to stop disease epidemics?"'

            White savior complex.

            Many countries in Africa are not poor. Just look at how well off the warlords are.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

              No, it is realism. These diseases exist, poorer nations have a lesser ability to fight the diseases than richer nations, and unless we want poorer nations to export their disease problems to richer nations (intentionally or otherwise), it behooves richer nations to nip the problem in the bud and try to provide resources to stop those diseases from reaching richer nations.

              1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 months ago

                ""No, it is realism. These diseases exist,""

                Yes they do. That doesn't mean government is the answer, nor should it require your tax dollars. But please feel free to donate any amount you want to the cause.

              2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   6 months ago

                You fucking idiot.

                None (or very little) of any money stolen from us and sent to shithole countries ever gets used to benefit anyone who is not a warlord, cartel, or politicians.

                You fucking idiot.

                1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 months ago

                  To your point. Why did Clinton send troops to Somila?

          6. TrickyVic (old school)   6 months ago

            Bill Gates?

            https://omaha.com/news/nation-world/bill-melinda-gates-foundation-mrna-vaccines-funding-africa/article_c3908e38-378d-5b80-8d4d-183e51bdcc4e.html

            How about letting Billionaires solve that problem?

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

              Sounds great! Of course, Bill Gates runs one of those NGOs that the MAGA crowd wants to investigate, examine, ban, or otherwise look unfavorably upon.

              1. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

                You misspelled “not fund with tax dollars” Socialist Jeffy.

                1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 months ago

                  That was the point.

              2. Marshal   6 months ago

                Nobody cares if he funds the NGO with his own money. People object to laundering taxpayer money to left wing activists. If Gates cares enough to do this he probably cares enough to hire effective administrators rather than activists focused on outside activities.

                Isn't it interesting Jeffey has to lie about others' concerns in order to justify his point?

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                  I'm pretty sure many of the complaints about NGOs were not just that some of them were receiving tax money.

                  Here are some comments about NGOs and nonprofits generally which were broadly critical of them, for reasons having nothing to do with getting tax money.

                  https://reason.com/2024/04/24/this-bill-would-give-the-treasury-nearly-unlimited-power-to-destroy-nonprofits/?comments=true#comments

                  Here is an article that is critical of an NGO because they were helping illegal immigrants. Again not because they were getting tax money.

                  https://reason.com/2023/11/18/the-good-samaritans-who-saved-syrian-refugees/?comments=true#comments

                  So there is plenty of discontent about NGOs that don't revolve around taxpayer money. I've provided you two sources now that demonstrate this.

                  This is where you admit you were wrong and apologize for calling me a liar, right?

                  1. Marshal   6 months ago

                    It's interesting your thoughts are so limited you think you've proven something. I never claimed taxpayer funds is the only reason to object to a specific NGO which would have to be true for this to "prove" me wrong. The cases you found deal with refugees and left wing political activists. People oppose these NGOs based on their activities. But this doesn't apply to the issue under discussion.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                      You wrote originally:

                      Nobody cares if he funds the NGO with his own money.

                      That statement is not true - people around here especially do very much care about the activities of NGOs, including his, beyond simply whether it is funded by taxpayer money.

                      So yes I have shown that your original statement is wrong. But I never expected you to admit it anyway. You just barge in and stir up shit, you're not exactly a person of integrity.

                    2. Marshal   6 months ago

                      That statement is not true -

                      This is a lie. The discussion was about a specific set of actions: Gates using an NGO with his own funding to combat disease in foreign countries. Because your need to attack is greater than your (admittedly non-existent) integrity you're trying to generalize that to justify criticizing others.

                  2. TrickyVic (old school)   6 months ago

                    Your first link is about taxes. Well, the privilege to not pay them.

                    Bills in question from the link.

                    H.R.6408 - To amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to terminate the tax-exempt status of terrorist supporting organizations.

                    S.4136 - A bill to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to terminate the tax-exempt status of terrorist supporting organizations.

                    Are you for NGOs that support terrorism having a tax exemption?

                    The second article does not seem to be critical of NGOs at all.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                      Let me just cut to the chase, because I have seen this happen again and again:

                      When someone does X, people complain about this person doing X. They will say "If he would only do Y instead, then I wouldn't have a reason to complain." Then, later on, the person does Y instead. Those same people complaining, then say "Oh, well, but look at all the Z he is doing! That's awful!"

                      It's just a never-ending string of shifting goalposts of complaints.

                      So the conclusion I have drawn, is that those doing the complaining, won't be satisfied by what the person is doing. They will only be satisfied if they can trust the person doing the work. It's the in-group/out-group dynamic. When the person is in the out-group, nothing he does is ever good enough. But when the person is in the in-group, then the person gets the benefit of the doubt.

                      It's basically the same thing happening here. It is great to suggest that Bill Gates and other NGOs solve the problem of disease epidemics in foreign countries. I welcome that solution! And if we weren't dealing with this whole in-group/out-group dynamic around here, that would be the end of the story. But instead, I don't think that whatever Bill Gates does will ever be good enough for the MAGA 'libertarians' around here because they fundamentally don't trust him and don't regard him as part of their tribe. So he will always be thrown under the bus for doing something supposedly sinister and wrong. Now, if Elon Musk were to propose doing the same thing, they would all welcome it with open arms...

                    2. TrickyVic (old school)   6 months ago

                      That's cutting to the chase?

              3. TrickyVic (old school)   6 months ago

                Bill Gates is rich enough that he doesn't need federal dollars. So that seems like a good NGO to defund. Let the rich pay. Right?

          7. I, Woodchipper   6 months ago

            Libertarians and radical individualists for global health programs managed by the USA. perfect

          8. VinniUSMC   6 months ago

            Jeffy, the White Knight of POOR AFRICA. So, poor and diseased, and incapable of doing things without the assistance of the Almighty Whitey Leftist.

            Here's a thought, jeffsarc, how about you go to Africa... and maybe feed a pack of lions.

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   6 months ago

              Jeffy is a fucking idiot. The same technology that allows travel to the other side of the world in less than 24 hours provides access to the all the world's knowledge of disease prevention. Poverty is not the problem, it is ignorance, feigned to reel in the graft.

              Seriously, Africans are not stupider than other people and Jeffy is a racist piece of shit.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                The issue isn't knowledge, it's resources.

                1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   6 months ago

                  Bullshit. The single most effective tool, education, has marginal cost.

              2. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                Oh, I just noticed this part.

                Poverty is not the problem, it is ignorance, feigned to reel in the graft.

                So, you are seriously arguing that the leaders of these African nations are "feigning ignorance" in order to get handouts? Or maybe it's the people themselves? That is way more racist than anything that you all are claiming that I said.

          9. See.More   6 months ago

            Okay smart guy, how do you expect dirt-poor countries in Africa to stop disease epidemics?

            It doesn't matter how I expect them to do anything. It's not my country, not my government, so my expectations are meaningless to them.

            Additionally, not my country, not my government, also means not my fucking responsibility. No article of the Constitution authorizes spending taxpayer dollars on "public health" in other nations.

            You wanna help? Donate time, money, and/or resources to private charities. You want me to help? Persuade me to donate time, money, and/or resources to private charities. Otherwise, fuck off slaver!

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

              What would persuade you to help?

              1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   6 months ago

                I will send money if you promise to stop posting at Reason.

                1. tracerv   6 months ago

                  I would send the money so quick my Venmo would need a cigarette.

                2. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                  I don't believe you.

                  1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   6 months ago

                    Why do you hate Africans so much, you racist shotweasel?

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                      Same to you, pal

                    2. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

                      Haha, Racist Jeffy has been exposed!

              2. See.More   6 months ago

                What would persuade you to help?

                Irrelevant to the discussion.

                The salient point is that it is not a proper function of the US Federal Government to provide aid to treat a public health issue in another country; that is a function of private charity.

        2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

          He always poses a small percent of spending to justify enormous amounts of spending. It is actually quite amazing.

          Jeff is a fucking emotional dishonest child.

          Same shit as when he defends cutting off kids dicks or they'll commit suicide.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

            Disease epidemics are a real problem, and they are an international problem (see: COVID). Yelling at people won't stop diseases from spreading. So what is your plan?

            1. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

              Do they even have trunk bears in Africa? Hmmm?

              1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

                "aFriCaNs aRe tOo pRiMiTiVe tO rUn tHeiR owN pReVeNtIoN pRogRaMS"

                Take up the White Man's burden—
                Send forth the best ye breed—
                Go bind your sons to exile
                To serve your captives' need;
                To wait in heavy harness
                On fluttered folk and wild—
                Your new-caught, sullen peoples,
                Half devil and half child.
                - Rudyard Kipling 1899 and chemjeff radical racist in 2025.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                  I didn't say they were too primitive. I said that they lack the resources. That's you trying to project racism onto me, which is par for the course.

                  1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

                    Lying Jeffy, all the other posts you made her until now didn't just suddenly disappear.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                      Oh this is so on brand for you. You lied about me, got caught, and because you will never admit it, you double down and triple down and do your best to gaslight and trick everyone into thinking that you were right all along.

                    2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

                      "do your best to gaslight and trick everyone into thinking that you were right all along."

                      PEOPLE ARE READING THE WHOLE THREAD RIGHT NOW, YOU GASLIGHTING FUCK. You aren't tricking anyone.

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                      Yup, they are reading where I said "they're poor", and then you stepped in and tried to project onto me some racist crap which I didn't say.

                  2. Bertram Guilfoyle   6 months ago

                    I didn't say they were too primitive. I said that they lack the resources.

                    The implication is obvious Jeff. Stop bullshitting.

                  3. rbike   6 months ago

                    Where does an elephant keep it's bears?

                    In its trunk.

                    More intelligence in this post than all of SpazJeff.

                2. But SkyNet is a Private Company   6 months ago

                  If youre out of luck and out of work
                  We could send you to Johannesburg - Declan McManus 1979

                  1. DesigNate   6 months ago

                    The implications are obvious to everyone except the one’s that make the posts.

        3. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

          And it's not a false dilemma. Even with international help to foreign nations to stop disease outbreaks there, diseases like Ebola and TB still make their way to developed countries. If you don't fight the disease there, you will end up fighting the disease here.

          1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

            It is exactly a false dilemma. You inferred the only two options were American taxpayer funding or a global tuberculosis pandemic.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

              In the timeline that we are currently living in, that's basically what it boils down to. Again I point out that recent outbreaks of diseases like TB and Ebola were only controlled in African nations with a great deal of international help. It would be nice if every nation was a libertarian paradise with robust market economies that could afford to provide basic public health services, but we don't live in that ideal world.

              Seems to me, you are positing a type of Nirvana fallacy: either the world must conform to this libertarian ideal, or we do nothing at all.

              1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

                "In the timeline that we are currently living in, that's basically what it boils down to"

                Again, your false dilemma, which isn't even remotely true.

                HEY EVERYBODY, READ THIS:

                Seems to me, you are positing a type of Nirvana fallacy: either the world must conform to this libertarian ideal, or we do nothing at all.

                1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

                  Why do Jeff and sarc pick up our criticisms of their stance then start projecting those criticisms against others a week or two later? We've been saying Nirvana fallacy for months.

                  1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

                    Because they're unoriginal and unlearned, and where else are they going to learn stuff?

      3. Moonrocks   6 months ago

        Thanks for making the case for tougher border enforcement.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

          Even with tougher border enforcement, you can't seal the borders tight enough to stop all disease outbreaks. Not unless you want to go full North Korea.

          Furthermore, it's a question of the wisest use of money. Wouldn't it be smarter to spend money so as to make such strict border enforcement less necessary to stop deadly disease outbreaks?

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

            So what you’re saying is that you can’t always lock the bear in the trunk?

          2. sarcasmic   6 months ago

            Not unless you want to go full North Korea.

            If by that you mean deploying the entire military along the border and killing anyone who tries to cross it while using tariffs to force self sufficiency and economic isolationism? Yeah, I think most MAGAs could live with that.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

              STRAWMAN ALERT!

              1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

                Only the very finest of strawmen will be lovingly crafted by Sarc. The American Arts Council should declare him a national treasure.

      4. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

        If the programs are so effective in stopping the spread, why is it still happening? This isn't like stopping smallpox. You can stop shit cultures from eating raw bush meat. Spend the money on screening to stop people from coming here infected.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

          Let's see, the world spent billions and billions of dollars trying to stop COVID, why didn't it work????

          Because these diseases mutate rapidly and can evade the body's defense mechanisms as well as drugs designed to fight them.

          1. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

            Thanks for proving all the spending on prevention is waste.

          2. Bertram Guilfoyle   6 months ago

            why didn't it work????

            I thought it was because all those assholes drove around with trunk bears refused to wear masks.

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   6 months ago

              Lol! It didn't work because COVID isn't deadly to people who aren't otherwise going to die. Just like the flu and colds.

      5. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

        Lmao. I remember when you pretended to be a libertarian.

        1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

          Only 'claimed to be', he never bothered actually pretending.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

          I'm not a myopic misanthrope. That is you and your team.

          1. Bertram Guilfoyle   6 months ago

            Jeffsarc is a proud member of Libertarians for USAID.

          2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

            What the hell are you talking about? You hate humanity.
            You don't give a shit about tuberculosis. You're pushing DNC narratives about USAID because that is what you are paid to do.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

              You hate humanity.
              You don't give a shit about tuberculosis.

              You, above:

              sarcasmic 4 hours ago
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              Keep the disease out by deploying the military at the border and killing anyone who tries to enter illegally

              Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive) 3 hours ago
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              Mute User
              See, you understand libertarianism after all

              So, it is actually you who doesn't give a shit about human beings getting deadly diseases as long as they are not in your country.

              I believe that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Stopping deadly diseases where they start makes it much less likely that we will have to fight those deadly diseases when, not if, they come here.

              You want them to suffer and die behind huge border walls that keep them out.

              1. Bertram Guilfoyle   6 months ago

                Spend your own money on this shit, jeff.

              2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

                Then do it with your own coin, fucknuts. Not everyone else's.

                There's nothing noble and charitable of you demanding other people give their money instead.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                  Should the government use taxpayer money to build a border wall? Yes or no?

                  1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   6 months ago

                    If individuals could sponsor portions of the wall it would already be built, fuckwit.

              3. DesigNate   6 months ago

                Do you not consider attempting to illegally enter the country while knowingly carrying an actual deadly disease an act of aggression?

                Because you justified all manner of Covid bullshit by saying people were violating the NAP by leaving their house, even while healthy or asymptomatic…

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                  First I don't really care about the "entering illegally" part.

                  Now, could a person who is *knowingly* carrying a communicable disease be committing an act of aggression by walking about in public (whether migrating or not)? I think the answer is "possibly".

                  In all of the COVID discussions all I wanted was a discussion about what the limits of the NAP were when it came to contagious diseases. If that disease-carrier were to be committing an act of aggression, it would be by a standard of negligence. That the individual failed to what he/she was reasonably supposed to do in order not to harm others. So the real question is, how does the concept of negligence fit in with the NAP? I don't think there is a necessarily tidy correct answer here, and I think it's worth having a conversation about.

                  But, people around here don't seem to want this conversation.

                  What do you think?

          3. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

            You’re not a libertarian either.

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   6 months ago

      "...a further thought: perhaps the billionaires that spent millions of dollars on "non"-government organizations targeting political speech could send a few bucks that way..."

      Regardless, get your hand out of my pocket.

    3. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

      I find it interesting that in this entire discussion, I used a slightly modified version of the arguments made in favor of building the border wall, and yet people here were very opposed to them.

      "Let's spend lots of tax money to build a border wall so that those foreigners don't import their problems here" -- this is considered a good idea

      "Let's spend lots of tax money fighting deadly diseases in foreign countries so that those foreigners don't import their problems here" -- this is apparently considered socialist and wrong

      It's like the brand of libertarianism on display here actively requires not giving a shit about foreigners. When did misanthropic xenophobia become a part of canon libertarianism?

      1. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

        Stupid and dishonest analogy, Lying Jeffy.

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   6 months ago

          Beyond dishonest, pure gaslighting. You can send all the money you want to Africa. Try enforcing the border or build your own wall and you will be sent to prison.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

            That's not even true. You are free to build a wall on your own property, even those with land on the border. OF COURSE those who want to build walls/fences/etc. have to go through the same permitting process as anyone else, but that is not because it's on the border, that is because of a fucked up permitting system.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

          No it's actually a pretty good one. You're fine with spending tax money as long as it's not actually about helping people, and especially not foreigners.

          1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   6 months ago

            Jeffy ignored my comment to continue his fallacious argument. I have never encountered another person so deserving of being mauled by a bear with COVID.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

              Your comment was self-evidently false, of course people can build walls on their own property. But if it makes you happy, I directly responded to it pointing out how stupid you are.

          2. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

            Lying doesn't make your stupid analogy less stupid, Lying Jeffy.

          3. markm23   6 months ago

            If Democrats are spending the money, there's a 90 percent chance it is hurting the people it is supposed to help.

  27. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

    'If the first half of the 20th century was termed 'the golden age of child play,' the first quarter of the 21st feels like a death rattle.'

    Meanwhile, we have pushed "childhood", as defined by a lack of expected adult responsibility and behavior, well into peoples' twenties, and may have broken the 30 year old barrier.

    What the nanny state giveth, the nanny state taketh away.

    1. Ajsloss   6 months ago

      Meanwhile, we have pushed "childhood", as defined by a lack of expected adult responsibility and behavior, well into peoples' twenties, and may have broken the 30 year old barrier.

      Unless you want to remove your genitals. Then you're an adult at age five.

  28. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

    'really looking at what it's going to take to finally end the horrific fighting'

    Just like Hitler.

    1. Ajsloss   6 months ago

      A final solution, if you will?

  29. Marshal   6 months ago

    The DOE should best be thought of as a "grant maker and a loan lender," higher ed expert Peter Granville tells CBS News.

    The DOE should be thought of as a hive of scum and villainy. Their most important achievement was colluding with Higher Ed institutions to corrupt Title IX into a Kafkaesque Inquisition devoid of basic investigative standards and any semblance of due process rights which ironically also violates Title IX.

  30. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

    Also, for all the hubbub—much of it warranted—about Trump's penchant for flouting the Constitution, it's worth pointing out that it gives the federal government no authority to govern education.

    Yes!!!!!!!!!!! And this should be pointed out more on Reason.

    1. Randy Sax   6 months ago

      "This unconstitutional program was created by congress, and Trump is defying the constitution to end it. How dare he!?"

  31. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

    Hungary's government will limit the profit margin for grocers

    Government intervention in markets is good and proper, these grocers are selfish bastards!

  32. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

    Jesse, ML, etc. set to cream their pants at the creation of a new type of crime: "gender identity fraud"

    https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-politics-and-policy/texas-bill-identify-transgender-state-felony-rcna195642

    A Texas state bill could charge transgender people with “gender identity fraud,” making it illegal to identify as trans on official documents and potentially leading to jail time.

    The bill, which was filed last week by Republican state Rep. Tom Oliverson, would make it a state jail felony if a person “knowingly makes a false or misleading verbal or written statement” by identifying their sex assigned at birth incorrectly to a governmental entity or to their employer. State jail felonies in Texas are punishable by up to two years in jail and a fine of up to $10,000.

    Expect the usual recitation of events:

    1. It's not going to happen
    2. Even if it were going to happen, it wouldn't be such a bad thing
    3. Looks like it's going to happen, I support it because it's making all the libs mad
    4. It happened, and it's a good thing!

    1. Super Scary   6 months ago

      Seems redundant if there was already a punishment/fine for lying on a government form.

      1. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

        This. Looks like political grandstanding. OH MY!

    2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

      Oh look, pants creamed.
      Thanks Lying Jeffy, you near-hysterical, politruk pervert.

      All they have to do is stop lying on legal documents about their sex, and expecting people to be forced to indulge their delusions or perversions.

      1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

        It's actually your team which wants to force them to lie about who they are.

        expecting people to be forced to indulge their delusions or perversions

        And things may be different in Canada, but in the US, people have full liberty to yell at transgender people and to call them dirty filthy groomer perverts if they want. There is no law against it.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

          Dude, they can’t become the other sex anymore than you can become a skinny runway model.

          1. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

            Or tell the truth consistently.

        2. Mickey Rat   6 months ago

          "It's actually your team which wants to force them to lie about who they are."

          Who they are matters less for certain things than what they are, of which sex is an immutable characteristic.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

            Oh give it a rest. When a trans-man asks that people use his preferred pronouns, it's you and your team who have a fit, refuse to do so, and claim victimhood status that the world is "forcing" you to "accept their delusions". It's you and your team which wants to reorient the world to fit your narrow binary vision of how the two sexes ought to operate, and in so doing, force everyone who doesn't fit that binary choice to lie about who they are in order to conform.

            1. Mickey Rat   6 months ago

              The progressive Left has proposed as matter of ideology that no recognition of inherent differences between the sexes is acceptable and wish to impose legal sanctions for doing so.

              And yes, I object to being compelled by force of law to say something that is untrue like that a male is a woman, or a female is a male, especially where the differences matter like competitive sports and private areas. It is a violation pollution od freedom of speech and conscience.

              1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                The progressive Left has proposed as matter of ideology that no recognition of inherent differences between the sexes is acceptable and wish to impose legal sanctions for doing so.

                You made this up. Provide even one quotation from even one person, even the kookiest activist, who actually claims both (a) there is ZERO difference, not even a biological difference, between the sexes, AND (b) wants to make it a crime to claim that there are differences.

                And yes, I object to being compelled by force of law to say something that is untrue like that a male is a woman, or a female is a male

                I agree that no one should be compelled by force of law to say those things. But that is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about the social climate that you and your team want to create, where everyone must choose one of two narrow paths for their gender identity, and if a person doesn't fit either one, that person has to lie about themselves in order to try to fit into one of the two.

                1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   6 months ago

                  Lie some more, Jeffy. Not one person in this thread came close to demonstrating what you assert half the country is trying to do.

                  1. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

                    Oh, "in this thread". Maybe we should have yet another discussion around here about the difference between sex and gender (plenty of your fellow tribalists claim that there is no such thing as gender as applied to people), or how the word "woman" has multiple meanings, not just one singular meaning that depends on biological sex organs, or how the mere thought of a trans-woman going into a woman-only space like a bathroom, without any other information about who this person is or what this person's intentions are, is an immediate cause for alarm and it probably means the trans-woman is going to rape someone.

                    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   6 months ago

                      Pointless. As you prove once again by your constant reliance on fallacy.

        3. damikesc   6 months ago

          "It's actually your team which wants to force them to lie about who they are."

          "In spite of my penis, I AM A WOMAN DAMMIT" --- jeff.

        4. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

          "which wants to force them to lie about who they are"

          How the fuck is not lying about your sex, "LYiNg"?

          This is a true madman folks. Jeff is the comment section's version of this:

          'You are a slow learner, Winston,' said O'Brien gently.

          'How can I help it?' he blubbered. 'How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four.

          Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.'

    3. Mickey Rat   6 months ago

      And the writer makes their biases known by using the loaded phrasing "their sex assigned at birth", implying this was an optional categorization imposed by someone, rather than an observable objective fact.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

        That’s why Jeffy chose the article he did, by that author. It confirms his own biases while he can try to use it as a hammer against his perceived enemies here.

      2. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

        For some people, it is not an 'observable objective fact', their biological sex is a matter of controversy.

        But even if you discount the small number of pathological cases, stating "sex assigned at birth" is the most unbiased and pedantically true way to describe how a baby's sex is determined for purposes of official records. A doctor literally assigns the baby's sex from his/her observations and writes that down on the birth certificate.

        1. Marshal   6 months ago

          This is false. "Assigns" means the doctor could choose any option even based on whim and it would still be correct. "Record" is the correct term.

          1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

            The choice to use the word "assign" rather than "record" was deliberate and malignant.

            1. Marshal   6 months ago

              Right, the left specifically chose that word because it misleads the pubic. Language policing is an important component of propaganda.

              1. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

                But the more these conscious illusions of the ruling class are shown to be false and the less they satisfy common sense, the more dogmatically they are asserted and the more deceitful, moralizing and spiritual becomes the language of established society.

                — Marx

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   6 months ago

            I think that is splitting hairs too finely. I think it's understood that the assignment made by the doctor is based on the doctor's observations, and is not some arbitrary whim.

            1. Marshal   6 months ago

              Then you have agreed this is the wrong word.

              Correct usage: As the students come into class I assign them to a team.

              Incorrect usage: I assigned you an A.

              The second does not work because the grade is based on something not under the teacher's control. This is the same as a baby's sex.

        2. Mickey Rat   6 months ago

          Actually, it is not that controversial. Even with chromosomal abnormalities, a determination can be made with more sophisticated tests. However, that is a red herring. Trans people do not have such abnormalities. Their issues are in their minds, not their bodies.

        3. See.More   6 months ago

          . . . stating "sex assigned at birth" is the most unbiased and pedantically true way to describe how a baby's sex is determined for purposes of official records.

          False. The most unbiased and pedantically true way to describe the is, "sex identified by observing sexual characteristics at birth."

    4. TrickyVic (old school)   6 months ago

      Would it be ok to misrepresent on the paperwork if both sides were ok with it?

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

        Jeff agreed listing legal fees as legal fees was 34 felonies. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

  33. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

    Psychotic Nigerian robber can stay in UK because he believes he is ‘possessed’
    Crack cocaine dealer who believes he is ‘suffering from demonic forces’ can stay in the UK on human rights grounds, judge rules
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/02/psychotic-robber-cocaine-dealer-nigeria-possessed-migration/?msockid=2e7f3b7811696d7b25232ed5102a6c4b

    1. Super Scary   6 months ago

      "The case is the latest example exposed by The Telegraph where migrants or convicted foreign criminals have used human rights laws to remain in the UK or halt their deportations.

      They include an Albanian criminal who avoided deportation after claiming his son had an aversion to foreign chicken nuggets,"

      Preventing someone from having the right kind of chicken nuggies is a violation of human rights according to the UK.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

        The UK is done.

        Whatever happened to "We will fight them on the beaches..."

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   6 months ago

          The Labor gov't.

          1. damikesc   6 months ago

            Sadly --- Tories were honestly no better.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

              And as for Reform…

              Well, it’s been nice knowing the land of Arthur, Alfred the Great, Magna Carta, Henry VIII, Robert the Bruce, and so much more. Enjoy being the London Caliphate.

            2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

              They really weren't. They just didn't brag about it. Half of it happened under their watch.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

        https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/11/19/why-was-a-congolese-paedophile-allowed-to-stay-in-the-uk/

        Yet another scandal has been sparked by the UK’s fealty to the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR). Last week, the Telegraph revealed that a paedophile convicted of sexually assaulting his stepdaughter has been allowed to remain in the UK. Supposedly, deporting him would have breached his human rights.

        As reported in the Telegraph, the child sex abuser in question – who is referred to in legal papers as ‘MD’ – is from the Democratic Republic of Congo in Africa and lives in the Glasgow area. In 2020, he was imprisoned for three years for ‘appalling’ offences such as sexual penetration and sexual assault against his stepdaughter, as well as two other young girls in the family.

        The Home Office had initially ordered for MD to be deported to his home country, but he appealed. Despite the severity of these crimes, an immigration tribunal ruled that deporting him would breach his ‘right to family life’, which is enshrined in Article 8 of the ECHR. In a ruling published last month, the tribunal judge claimed that deportation would have a negative impact on the wellbeing of MD’s wife and their three biological children (who were not victims of the sexual offences). Remarkably, the tribunal made this decision while acknowledging that he ‘continues to pose a risk to the community, in particular children’.

        Until we confront these facts, there will be many more similar cases. Just last month, it was revealed that a deported Albanian criminal had won the right to stay in the UK, despite returning to the country illegally. According to the ECHR, deporting him again would have breached Article 8, because he had fathered a child with his Lithuanian wife since returning.

      3. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

        https://www.spiked-online.com/video/the-insanity-of-britains-asylum-system/

        An Albanian criminal was granted the right to stay in Britain because his son doesn’t like foreign chicken nuggets. A Jamaican drug dealer was spared deportation because his daughter is questioning her gender. An Afghan sex offender was granted asylum because he is a sex offender. All of these insane decisions were made by unelected judges on dubious ‘human rights’ grounds. In this video, spiked’s Fraser Myers explains how we got here – and how we can restore sanity and democracy to our migration policy.

    2. Mickey Rat   6 months ago

      The government institutions of Britain seem to be entirely corrupted against any kind of effective immigration policy, including deporting the vilest of convicted criminals. We keep getting evidence of a ruling class who wants to do nothing about the bad effects of mass immigration and will twist the law into the shape they want to get that result.

  34. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

    https://www.dailydot.com/debug/jeffrey-epstein-conspiracies/

    Wait. Was pedophile Jeffrey Epstein an informant for Mueller’s FBI?

    From the 5/24/18 FBI Vault release: “Epstein has also provided information to the FBI as agreed upon.”

    Is that why he escaped serious charges for molesting over twenty girls?

    1. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

      Wtf?

    2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

      In 2020 the mask got ripped off to expose a world that even fiction writers couldn't envision.

  35. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

    $375B EPA slush fund handled by John Podesta gave billions to charities founded only months earlier
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/375m-epa-slush-fund-handled-by-john-podesta-gave-billions-to-charities-founded-only-months-earlier/ar-AA1Aiigv
    The Biden administration funneled at least $20 billion dollars into environmental groups, most of which had only recently been founded, The Post has discovered.

    In one case, former Vice President Kamala Harris handed over a check for nearly $7 billion to Bethesda, Maryland, based group Climate United Fund, which does not appear in the IRS’s charities database, and has no federal filings.

    The non-profit fund had only been incorporated in Delaware on November 30, 2023, according to public records, five months before Harris handed over the cash in April 2024.

  36. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

    American-funded tuberculosis programs worldwide have been paused due to aid freezes President Trump announced upon taking office.

    I've got it on good authority there is a Nigerian prince with loads of money to give if you just send him a money order so that he can get it access to it.

    More seriously, USA aid does more damage to these country then good. The autocrats that run them leach off the funds and use them to solidify their control. Also we are broke, sorry the bank is closed.

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

      Jeffy says above that if you don't give them all that money there will be a tuberculosis pandemic in the US.

  37. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

    HIS laptop - if you sue someone for releasing the contents of YOUR laptop, you've conceded its yours.

    Hunter Biden reveals his dire financial situation after selling one piece of art this year and lackluster book buys
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/hunter-biden-reveals-his-dire-financial-situation-after-selling-one-piece-of-art-this-year-and-lackluster-book-buys/ar-AA1AoIaQ?ocid=BingNewsSerp
    Biden said that his debt was “in the millions of dollars range” and his income has “decreased significantly” since late 2023, according to documents filed in federal court in California urging district judge Hernan D. Vera to dismiss the suit against Garrett Ziegler, who published the contents of his laptop in 2020.

    His income before December 2023, according to the documents, came from sales of his artwork and his memoir Beautiful Things. “In the 2 to 3 years prior to December 2023, I sold 27 pieces for art at an average price of $54,481.48,” Biden said in the filing. “But since then I have only sold 1 piece of art for $36,000.”

    Biden added that his book sales plummeted from 3,161 copies in mid-2023 to 1,100 later that year.

    “Given the positive feedback and reviews of my artwork and memoir, I was expecting to obtain paid speaking engagements and paid appearances, but that has not happened,” he added.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   6 months ago

      There are times when justice is served.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

      Who the fuck bought that Hunter artwork this year?

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   6 months ago

        Someone named Zelenskyy?

      2. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

        One of Joe's accomplices who didn't get a pardon? Joe threatening to release their dirt being the motive.

      3. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

        I actually like Hunter's art and would buy it, although not for the extortionate bribe prices they were going for.

        1. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

          You know who else’s art was actually quite good?

          1. damikesc   6 months ago

            Certainly not Hitler. His stuff was kinda crap.

            1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

              I don't know. Like Churchill's they had an almost boho kind of charm. The real artist of the three was Stalin, though. Doodles of dicks and other associated imagery in the margins of his documents.

              1. Stuck in California   6 months ago

                https://youtu.be/TVstwh6rSd8

    3. mad.casual   6 months ago

      “Given the positive feedback and reviews of my artwork and memoir, I was expecting to obtain paid speaking engagements and paid appearances, but that has not happened,”

      LOL. Really?

      It's astounding the degree to which Hunter is the worst iteration of every. single. white. trash. stereotype rolled into one person and people act like Trump is the king of degeneracy.

    4. Fats of Fury   6 months ago

      Apparently he can't access his off shore accounts or FJB can't remember his PIN.

  38. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

    Too bad that Tesla's batteries didn't catch on fire.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   6 months ago

      They were replaced by Energizers for the presser.

  39. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

    check out the different heights for mens and womens volleyball nets

    https://www.sportsimports.com/blog/volleyball-net-heights/

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

      And the men have bigger balls.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

      Gee, one might get the impression that they have different bone structures, muscle mass, height, etc.

    3. mad.casual   6 months ago

      More incredulously and to the point (or the other side of it) I keep making:
      Men's
      Men's 55-69
      Men's 70+
      Women's
      Women's 45+

      It seems that there are no appreciable numbers of 70+ female volleyball players (and/or that their ability doesn't stratify) *and* that you have to dip into the 40s to get comparable numbers to the numbers of male competitors... for volleyball.

      You can't possibly will women into physical equivalence with men on the court. It's just not possible. 100 generations of women nearly exclusively waging war on each other *voluntarily* *might* get you to the point where you can find enough 70+ yr. old female volleyball players that you need to recalibrate the nets for them.

  40. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

    https://www.newblackmaninexile.net/2010/04/we-are-not-your-weapons-we-are-women.html

    Two weeks ago, on a Monday morning, I started to write what I thought was a very clever editorial about violence against women in Haiti. The case, I believed, was being overstated by women’s organizations in need of additional resources. Ever committed to preserving the dignity of Black men in a world which constantly stereotypes them as violent savages, I viewed this writing as yet one more opportunity to fight “the man” on behalf of my brothers. That night, before I could finish the piece, I was held on a rooftop in Haiti and raped repeatedly by one of the very men who I had spent the bulk of my life advocating for.

    It hurt. The experience was almost more than I could bear. I begged him to stop. Afraid he would kill me, I pleaded with him to honor my commitment to Haiti, to him as a brother in the mutual struggle for an end to our common oppression, but to no avail. He didn’t care that I was a Malcolm X scholar. He told me to shut up, and then slapped me in the face. Overpowered, I gave up fighting halfway through the night.

    Accepting the helplessness of my situation, I chucked aside the Haiti bracelet I had worn so proudly for over a year, along with it, my dreams of human liberation. Someone, I told myself, would always be bigger and stronger than me. As a woman, my place in life had been ascribed from birth. A Chinese proverb says that “women are like the grass, meant to be stepped on.” The thought comforted me at the same time that it made me cringe.

    A dangerous thought. Others like it have derailed movements, discouraged consciousness and retarded progress for centuries. To accept it as truth signals the beginning of the end of a person–or community’s–life and ability to self-love. Resignation means inertia, and for the past two weeks I have inhabited its innards. My neighbors here include women from all over the world, but it’s the women of African descent, and particularly Haitian women, who move me to write now.

    Truly, I have witnessed as a journalist and human rights advocate the many injustices inflicted upon Black men in this world. The pain, trauma and rage born of exploitation are terrors that I have grappled with every day of my life. They make one want to strike back, to fight rabidly for what is left of their personal dignity in the wake of such things. Black men have every right to the anger they feel in response to their position in the global hierarchy, but their anger is misdirected.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

      Morning-after regrets.

    2. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

      Suicidal empathy.

    3. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   6 months ago

      Humans are still animals. It takes willful ignorance not to understand that circumstances leave some humans feral. It takes Marxist ideology to deny it.

  41. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

    The case against Anthony Fauci
    On the fifth anniversary of the COVID outbreak, a new book examines where American science — and politics — went wrong.
    https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/03/09/opinion/covid-five-year-anniversary-2020-mistakes/

    1. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

      ‘The lockdowns were never really effective’: New research shows COVID stay-at-home orders did more harm than good
      https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/03/10/metro/new-scientific-research-suggests-covid-lockdowns-did-more-harm-than-good/

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   6 months ago

        Those folks who gathered at Great Barrington were on to something, weren't they?

        1. Michael Ejercito   6 months ago

          Lockdowns were based on a 14-year-old gorl's science fair project.

          1. Truthfulness   6 months ago

            How dare you!

  42. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   6 months ago

    "...In fact, its operation of such programs has, in some cases, allowed more students to access a college education than otherwise would have..."

    Even more reason to ax it.

  43. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

    All these tariffs are causing inflation to fall.


    The Kobeissi Letter
    @KobeissiLetter
    BREAKING: February CPI inflation FALLS to 2.8%, below expectations of 2.9%.

    Core CPI inflation FALLS to 3.1%, below expectations of 3.2%.

    This marks the first decline in both Headline and Core CPI since July 2024.

    Inflation is cooling down in the US.

    Or maybe it is just reigning in government spending.

    1. Quicktown Brix   6 months ago

      Interesting. 2 days ago, in reference to the bad economic indicators you said:

      JesseAz (mean girl ambassador) 2 days ago
      Flag Comment
      Mute User

      Old rule of thumb is the ex president holds for the first year. But this time it is (D)ifferent.

      I guess it is different this time.

      1. Truthfulness   6 months ago

        It really is different!

  44. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

    We fund the school, the school funds this

    Pro-Palestinian Columbia University group calls for armed resistance: 'violence is the only path'
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/israel-hamas/2024/10/10/columbia-university-students-armed-resistance/75602932007/

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

      But if you send in the police with truncheons then all of a sudden it's brutality. It must be lovely, being a prog, when you can do nothing wrong and your enemy can do nothing right.

    2. Fats of Fury   6 months ago

      Lebanon learned it's lesson.
      Jordan learned it's lesson.
      Egypt learned it's lesson.
      The US should have learned this lesson in 1968.
      Palestinians are violent, murderous troublemakers.

  45. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

    Amazon forest felled to build road for climate summit
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/amazon-forest-felled-to-build-road-for-climate-summit/ar-AA1AJQvd?ocid=BingNewsVerp

    A new four-lane highway cutting through tens of thousands of acres of protected Amazon rainforest is being built for the COP30 climate summit in the Brazilian city of Belém.

    It aims to ease traffic to the city, which will host more than 50,000 people - including world leaders - at the conference in November.

    1. VinniUSMC   6 months ago

      Yup, that's the Green's for you. Don't worry, they'll pay a carbon tax on that and their private jets, and their mansions, while telling you that "those other billionaires who aren't here with us" are the real problem. Those ones are the fascists, who want governments to work for their own people. Crazy, Stupid, Globalists.

  46. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

    Breaking news: U.S. inflation eased more than expected in Feb.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/price-growth-set-remain-stubborn-090000849.html

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

      Oh noes, now what imagined disaster will the Democrats use now?

  47. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

    Barack Obama just sent me an email!

    Living in a democracy is about recognizing that our point of view won't always win out, but continuing to fight for the change we believe in.

    Since the last election, the foundational principles of our democracy have been challenged, and it would be easy to give in to fear and despair.

    But the change we seek -- the change we need -- will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time.

    The best way to make a difference is to get up and do something. Don't wait for the next election. Go out and make a difference right now.

    Because through your action, you will fill others with hope. And you might just fill yourself with hope.

    Today, I am asking you to do something that will give Democrats across the country hope that the next election will be different.

    I am asking you to contribute $5, $50 or whatever you can afford to the Democratic National Committee today. The amount of the donation isn't as important as the number of people choosing to make a difference.

    If you've stored your info with ActBlue, we'll process your contribution instantly.

    1. Super Scary   6 months ago

      "Since the last election, the foundational principles of our democracy have been challenged, and it would be easy to give in to fear and despair."

      That's right folks, you too can give into your fear and despair for "$5, $50 or whatever you can afford".

    2. Bertram Guilfoyle   6 months ago

      If you've stored your info with ActBlue, we'll process your contribution instantly.

      Barry is soliciting donations from conservatives now?? Asking for Nelson.

      1. Marshal   6 months ago

        Now that the USAID slush fund is defunct they don't have a choice. It's not like left wingers were going to fund Dems out of their own money.

  48. Stupid Government Tricks   6 months ago

    Stopgap my ass.

    Averting shutdown: "The House on Tuesday approved a stopgap bill aimed at funding the federal government through September 30 and preventing a shutdown after the Friday deadline," reports CNN.

    That's the end of the fiscal year. It's not a temporary stopgap emergency measure, as CNN would like us to think,

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

      The next CNN report will describe limits on spending increases as massive cuts.

  49. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

    This tweet from Trump's account is very misleading.

    You mean one of the key players responsible for one of the biggest frauds perpetrated on the American taxpayer can't be trusted? I'm shocked.

  50. MollyGodiva   6 months ago

    Let's be clear about what the goal of closing the DoE is. They want to reduce money for colleges. They want to turn the DoE grants in to block grants, where many states will use to subsidies private and religious schools for already affluent students. Some will even use that money for religious teaching in public schools. Stupid uses of the money will also happen, such as using welfare money for a field hockey stadium. Some states will use the loser federal rules to reduce testing (which is good).

    But to believe that Musk or Trump care one hoot about helping students get a better education is a fool's errand.

    1. Ajsloss   6 months ago

      Establishment,
      Establishment,
      You always know what's best.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

      You’re a prime example of what the Department of Education has created since it became a cabinet level position.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   6 months ago

        DoI - "Department of Ignorance"

    3. Marshal   6 months ago

      But to believe that Musk or Trump care one hoot about helping students get a better education is a fool's errand.

      Similarly exactly zero left wingers (including Molly) care about improving education. They care primarily about creating no-work jobs for left wing activists so they can spend their time on political activity without the distraction of making a living. Secondarily they care about corrupting the education into indoctrination. Actual education doesn't even make their list of concerns.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   6 months ago

        You didn't mention that Molly is a steaming pile of lying lefty shit who should fuck off and die.

    4. damikesc   6 months ago

      Trump and Elon cannot do a worse job than the DoE has done in its existence.

      ANYTHING will be an improvement.

    5. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

      I’m convinced!

    6. TrickyVic (old school)   6 months ago

      ""Let's be clear about what the goal of closing the DoE is. ""

      I figured the quality of reading and writing skills in this country would be sufficient. The DoE is not helping our kids learn.

      So I have a different question. What's the goal of keeping it open?

      1. Fats of Fury   6 months ago

        The goal is to keep shoveling money to schools until every month is celebrating gay month.

        1. Truthfulness   6 months ago

          Put a chick in it and make her gay and lame!

    7. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

      Except the student loan program was one of LBJ's Great Society programs, which was established when the Education office was still part of Health and Human Services.

      So this assertion that it's critical so colleges get funding for their bullshit marxist seminary classes doesn't line up with the facts.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

        Also, 40-70% of incoming college students need remedial math and English just to get to baseline of what's expected of them at the increasingly dumbed-down college courses.

        I'd say the Department has completely failed its mission if the goal is education.

        1. Mike Parsons   6 months ago

          Id also add that we are missing the 2 most important negative effects of unlimited school loans:

          - blossoming of 1000s of majors that are either not beneficial, or a direct detriment to society as a whole, due to no scrutiny in funding and pushing this 'need' for a college degree, we have created so many nonsense majors that are nothing more than a govt subsidized waste of 4 years, complete with a meal plan

          - due to the above, the unlimited money to colleges has taught the colleges that they can increase tuition to infinity, and guess what?! They did! Apparently when there is no scrutiny in funding, and the people setting the prices know the money will come in no matter what, the price ends up going up 5000%!

          The current student loan funding policies have resulted in bloated prices for worthless college degrees, churning out kids that cant function in society in any meaningful way, with a crushing amount of debt they will never pay off.

          And of course when you take just a few steps back, it looks an awful lot like a sweet handshake where the govt launders money to colleges to produce good useful idiots who will not question our benevolent (read: authoritarian) leftist govt. who made it possible for them.

        2. DesigNate   6 months ago

          The goal is not education.

  51. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

    https://x.com/HansMahncke/status/1899806969629728995
    Newly revealed: At the start of the pandemic, German intelligence services had secret information from China and assessed with 80-95% certainty that Covid originated from a lab. Angela Merkel’s office ordered the concealment of these findings, changing the course of history.

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

      Meanwhile, you lost your Twitter and your Facebook account for pointing out the truth.

      1. mad.casual   6 months ago

        Ukraine blew up NS1&2.

        I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm not even a "This shit doesn't add up and it's obvious theorist." At this point, it's just pattern recognition.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

        I got put into FB jail for COVID misinformation for summarizing the plot of a book I had just read that was written a few years before COVID.
        --------
        Written in 2017 and set not too many years into the future, the story-line follows a group of people who survived a cruise ship hijacking only to find themselves in the middle of a plague that kills 99% of the world's population in a few weeks.

        It seems that the world was already suffering from the "bat-flu" pandemic, and a group of billionaires and the US government (which seems to be owned by the billionaires) were tired of the riff-raff being able to move about freely, and the bat-flu checkpoints, force quarantines, etc., were being protested by "New Patriots" (a group of which also turned out to be the terrorists who attacked the cruise ship...maybe) and the general population. One of the billionaire's companies manufactured a "universal flu vaccine" to combat the bat-flu, and gave millions of doses away on a "National Day of Health". But they had also engineered a new virus, which they intentionally gave to 100,000 "undesirables" during that event, in the hopes that the mass deaths (despite most people wearing masks and gloves all the time already) would give them the cover they needed to pass the "Safe and Secure Act" and force everyone to be fitted with a chip that provides instant access to health (infection) status and "contact tracing", but more importantly would give government (and the corporate overlords) constant tracking/surveillance of everyone. All in the name of "health" and "security", of course.

        But oops. The engineered virus mutated in those also infected with the "bat flu" and becomes a "Captain Tripps-like, kills-everyone" kind of virus.

  52. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

    https://x.com/OborneTweets/status/1899534760587714852

    Mahmoud Khalil is tonight in a federal jail after Trump called him a “radical foreign pro Hamas student”. A former Brit diplomat tells MEE he worked for Britain on “flagship soft power policy” and had security clearance.

    1. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

      https://x.com/JackKaplanNY/status/1899473521517994284

      Video emerges showing Mahmoud Khalil wearing a sweatshirt with a picture of someone in a kafiyeh wearing the Hamas headband, while chanting to “cut the head off Zionists”

      If hate has no place here, then Khalil doesn’t belong here.

      1. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

        Fuck him and fuck the USAID funded NY Times.

        This Is the Greatest Threat to Free Speech Since the Red Scare
        https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/10/opinion/mahmoud-khalil-free-speech.html

        On Saturday, immigration agents showed up at the apartment building of Mahmoud Khalil, a leader of last year’s pro-Palestinian protests at Columbia University, and told him his student visa had been revoked and that he was being detained. Khalil is married to an American, and his lawyer, speaking to the agents by phone, informed them that he had a green card, but they said that had been revoked as well. He was taken away, and as of this writing appears to be in a detention facility in Louisiana.

        In a post on Truth Social, Donald Trump made it clear that Khalil was snatched because of his activism. “This is the first arrest of many to come,” wrote Trump. “We know there are more students at Columbia and other Universities across the Country who have engaged in pro-terrorist, anti-Semitic, anti-American activity, and the Trump Administration will not tolerate it.”

        Like many things done by Trump’s administration, Khalil’s arrest was shocking but not surprising. On the campaign trail, Trump repeatedly said he was going to deport anti-Israel student activists.

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   6 months ago

      The Brits handle security oh, so well, don't they?

      1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 months ago

        Not your Churchhill's England.

  53. swillfredo pareto   6 months ago

    [DOE's] operation of such programs has, in some cases, allowed more students to access a college education than otherwise would have....

    Cite?

    ...But "easily accessible loans led to skyrocketing tuition"

    That undermines the question begging of more students, doesn't it?

  54. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

    Not going to stop until everyone's seen it.

    God your poor husband. Nag, nag, nag. No wonder romance is dead.

    1. Dillinger   6 months ago

      on most nature shows the morph to Soccer Mom Karen is subtle.

  55. I, Woodchipper   6 months ago

    If a measure to fund the government fails to pass, the federal government will shut down on Friday, which amusingly means only 900,000 federal workers will be furloughed—considered nonessential—while 1.4 million will be expected to continue showing up to work.

    This is not a shutdown. They keep using that word but I dont think it means what they think it means.

  56. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   6 months ago

    "Environmental justice offices to close under Trump administration, impacting vulnerable communities"
    https://www.scrippsnews.com/politics/president-trumps-first-100-days/environmental-justice-offices-to-close-under-trump-administration-impacting-vulnerable-communities#google_vignette

    And "impacting" a bunch of "....Studies" majors who were hoping not to have to work for a living.

  57. Dillinger   6 months ago

    >>DOE Set To Die

    the Cosmic Fool proclaims this conformity factory ... closed!

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

      Those poor, mirth beaten workers.

  58. Dillinger   6 months ago

    >>The political dynamics of a government shutdown would be fascinating

    only now?

  59. I, Woodchipper   6 months ago

    Conservative paradise? I don't think so: "Hungary's government will limit the profit margin for grocers on a number of basic food items, the prime minister said on Tuesday, a response to growing inflation hitting consumers in the Central European country," reports the Associated Press.

    Both conservatives and liberals LOVE price controls.

    It's only libertarians who oppose price controls.

    1. But SkyNet is a Private Company   6 months ago

      I grew up reading WFB's National Review and dont recall that much love therein

      1. Dillinger   6 months ago

        #metoo wtf happened to that place?

      2. markm23   6 months ago

        What did WFB think of Richard M. Nixon? IIRC, Nixon imposed the very first peacetime price controls in the USA.

  60. Dillinger   6 months ago

    mho when Massie is not necessary seems like a dumb time to pillory him

  61. Dillinger   6 months ago

    >>American-funded tuberculosis programs worldwide have been paused due to aid freezes ...

    is the slippery slope on pneumatics here?

  62. Dillinger   6 months ago

    >>A rise in skepticism toward romance is a loss

    a rise in skepticism toward romance is evil. love is light.

  63. I, Woodchipper   6 months ago

    American-funded tuberculosis programs worldwide have been paused due to aid freezes President Trump announced upon taking office.

    two things here

    1. Is it american taxpayers' job to provide medicine to every sick person on the planet?

    2. Charitable donations are an option for all americans who want this operation to keep going

  64. Dillinger   6 months ago

    >>LMAO. Saudi Arabia! You cannot make this up.

    nothing needs making up. the elites hate women the same way some serial killers hate their mothers but kill prostitutes about it

  65. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

    BBC News Pidgin. Its real and its spectacular.

    https://www.bbc.com/pidgin

    1. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

      https://x.com/bbcnewspidgin

      1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

        Still more coherent than Scots Doric.

        1. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

          Ev'noo, the Gaelic accent in Dingle Ireland was so strong, I was dottlit by their English.

  66. Dillinger   6 months ago

    >>The mid-'80s brought milk carton kids.

    to some places. in south Jersey we played flashlight tag in the woods and skated unsupervised on the lake

  67. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

    Turns out the last minute judges 'appointed' by Biden may not be legit:

    https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1899613998771060773

    BREAKING:
    @OversightPR
    finds that former President Biden’s pardons all have the same “autopen” signature:

    -Biden Family Members
    -Anthony Fauci
    -General Milley
    -J6 Committee

    The autopen findings could open up legal challenges to the validity of Biden’s pardons in a court of law.

    The U.S. Constitution requires a president be “present” for all legal signatures.

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   6 months ago

      The Biden family grifters are the only ones on that list that I don't think there is a moral imperative to jail.

    2. I, Woodchipper   6 months ago

      it will be so beautiful if they can roll back the last year of the Biden admin . Just imagine.. wow

    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

      "My hands were cramping that day. Im old and have arthritis. And earlier I was balancing both sets of the Biden Family Accounting books, Hunter was a busy boy the last few months...I wasn't supposed to say that 2nd part was I and who crapped my pants?"

      - transcripts of Biden's future testimony

  68. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

    https://x.com/willchamberlain/status/1899826001741304295

    I do hope that we see the same energy from the administration in deporting noncitizens flying Mexican flags while blocking traffic as we did for Mahmoud Khalil

    They've been violating the terms of their visa as well, it's time for them to go

    1. mad.casual   6 months ago

      It's quintessentially the definition of disruptive foreign agents/nationals. The retardation on this is astounding. Even native hecklers don't get absolute veto powers granted to them via free speech. The idea that hostile foreign agents do is just cravenly, immorally stupid.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   6 months ago

        I have been saying this since Charlottesville. Blocking access to parks or roads or whatever is NOT nonviolent. Restraint is violence. No permit. Go to jail asshole.

        That would have kept the guy that Reason eulogized from getting ventilated in Austin during an illegal protest.

  69. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

    https://x.com/ambermarieduke/status/1899842732614353249

    Violent anarchists are firebombing Tesla dealerships and charging stations to protest Elon Musk's role in the Trump administration.

    The media are calling the attacks "very spirited peaceful demonstrations" and "mostly peaceful."

    Sounds awfully familiar!

    1. mad.casual   6 months ago

      My BIL said he needed to get a "Bought It Before Musk Went MAGA" sticker for it. He didn't like it when I replied that "As long as we can agree that nobody really cared about saving the environment, yeah, protect your 'investment'."

    2. LIBtranslator   6 months ago

      Like Ebeneezer the Drunk grinned when British Hessians set fire to the church at Concord: "That's a shame..." (https://libertariantranslator.wordpress.com/2024/04/15/women-tank-tesla/
      )

    3. LIBtranslator   6 months ago

      Is Dave Jesus Smif among thim vilent arnychists?

      1. Dillinger   6 months ago

        I'm torching this car because the IDF shoots babies in the head! ~~Dave

    4. Mickey Rat   6 months ago

      Firebombing other people's property is, by definition, not peaceful. It is an act of violence.

  70. Ra's al Gore   6 months ago

    Experts don't make the decision, government does. Government was just following the advice of 'experts'. Nobody accountable.

    https://x.com/WHO/status/1899770467910823949
    WHO does not impose lockdowns or policies on countries. It does not have the authority to do this and isn't trying to get it.

    Only governments can make those decisions.

    Know the facts

    1. mad.casual   6 months ago

      OK, so the WHO is the drunken idiot in the back seat who's shitty with directions when he's sober and should've been kicked to the curb six blocks ago.

    2. I, Woodchipper   6 months ago

      Leaving the WHO is one of my favorite Trump moves so far. Fuck all those people.

  71. The Angry Hippopotamus   6 months ago

    it's worth pointing out that it gives the federal government no authority to govern education.

    After Ms. Camp’s eleventy billion articles on FAFSA, I was beginning to wonder if anyone at Reason realized this.

    I guess I should have known “good Liz” knew this

  72. LIBtranslator   6 months ago

    Stormy Liz may try to impersonate a libertarian while shining Republican jackboots, but she ain't never gonna be no Natalie Mains.

    1. Truthfulness   6 months ago

      Wanting the Department of Education to be reduced or eliminated makes one "impersonate a libertarian"? Why do you support Big Government?

  73. MWAocdoc   6 months ago

    "which amusingly means only 900,000 federal workers will be furloughed"

    We are NOT amused! All non-essential federal workers should be fired, not furloughed. Their jobs should be permanently eliminated and their offices closed.

    1. I, Woodchipper   6 months ago

      and the "essential" ones too if you ask me

  74. Uncle Jay   6 months ago

    "DOE Set To Die."

    This is wonderful.
    Now kill the Commerce Department, the EPA, the FBI, FEMA and cut 75% of the federal employees.
    Just think of the billions of dollars the taxpayers will save.

  75. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

    Example # 1,758 of “England has fallen”:

    London Mayor Sadiq Khan with "Islam" microphone: "The children of Muslims who are underemployed or in jobs not suited to their great skills will have subsidies and I will build housing for those of Islamic faith. Diversity is our strength!"

    https://x.com/RadioGenoa/status/1899840003343085603

    1. mad.casual   6 months ago

      Just think, in 50-60 yrs. everyone can debate and obfuscate exactly how long the persecuted Muslim minority has been living as a conspicuous people and/or State on the British Isles.

    2. Eeyore   6 months ago

      Conceded the crusades almost a 1000 years too late.

    3. Mike Parsons   6 months ago

      "Example # 1,758 of “England has fallen”:"

      1759:

      The glorious NHS strikes again. Family member was across the pond seeing London for the first time. Developed some concerning acute (to him at least) weakness/numbness in his arm, and felt really off overall.

      He went to the closest hospital to him. It wasnt a rinky dink rural operation, he was in London. After a substantial wait, the doc there sent him home with some ibuprofen, told him "it should go away on its own".

      He got back stateside, issues were still there. He had a stroke. This is the kind of medical care you get with universal health care. We give better care than that to a homeless schlub that roles into the ER in the US.

      Minimum workup would have been some head and neck imaging to rule out stroke or C-spine issue. "Go home, itll be fine, take an ibuprofen" is medical malpractice in this scenario. But hey, he didn't get a bill!!

  76. See.More   6 months ago

    American-funded tuberculosis programs worldwide have been paused due to aid freezes President Trump announced upon taking office. A New York Times investigation maps the fallout: "Family members of infected people are not being put on preventive therapy. Infected adults are sharing rooms in crowded NAIROBI tenements, and infected children are sleeping four to a bed with their siblings. Parents who took their sick children to get tested the day before Mr. Trump was inaugurated are still waiting to hear if their children have tuberculosis. And people who have the near-totally drug-resistant form of tuberculosis are not being treated." (Emphasis added.)

    Cry me a fucking river! Nairobi, Kenya? Is Kenya a state or US territory? No? Then they shouldn't be getting any taxpayer's tax dollars.

    Care about the TB plight in Nairobi? Donate to private charities.

  77. Don’t get eliminated   6 months ago

    A federal judge has BLOCKED President Trump from revoking the security clearance of Perkins Coie, the law firm which helped develop the Russia Hoax

    WTF?

    These activist judges HAVE TO GO. How can a judge FORCE the President to give someone a security clearance?!

    https://x.com/nicksortor/status/1899910154822267316

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   6 months ago

      You can't give something to someone they already have. The question is about taking. But yeah, not sure how a judge can interfere with the removal of that privilege.

      I suppose there could be a review of the holding. Questions asked under oath. Not something Perkins Coie would probably want to do.

  78. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

    "A rise in skepticism toward romance is a loss, not just for boys but for society as a whole," writes Faith Hill at The Atlantic. "Romantic love isn't better or more important than platonic love, but it's different—and telling yourself you have no need for it doesn't necessarily make it true."

    It boils down the the calculus that a lot of men have determined that having a significant other that will let you bust a nut in her once in a while isn't worth the hassle of all the other bullshit you have to go through with western women to make it work. For a lot of women, they're married to their careers and see romantic love from a parasocial standpoint, not a substantive one.

    1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   6 months ago

      Women and men are different in body and mind. It is a biological fact. The loss of romance corresponds to the rise of the denial of that fact. That is not a coincidence.

    2. Mike Parsons   6 months ago

      We were out with a bunch of folks at a friends birthday. Woman there who we have seen at some school functions for the kids chats us up. Conversation with my wife gets around to child care. She wishes she could stay at home and just be with her kid, but she *has* to work (despite the fact that her husband makes great money). She seems to hate her job, hate the corporate environment, and not like anything about her job. My wife: "Ya, I hated my job too, so I quit, and now I love being home with the kids, its amazing". This lady: "I just worry sometimes about what message I would send to my daughter if I gave up everything I worked for all these years...things were just so much easier before kids " I remember thinking just how sad and pathetic she sounded.

      Western women really are a nightmare. They are essentially suppressing every natural instinct that has evolved over millennia to, funny enough, do what (*current*) society wants them to do...which is pretend they are able to function as a man in every was shape and form.

      This of course has created thousands of women that are past their expiration date from a relationship perspective, who spent all their attribute points in categories that guys like *for themselves* and not something someone looks for in a partner.

      These late 30-40s women who have climbed the corporate ladder, are making 6 figures, and spent all of their child bearing years (coincidentally the time they were hot AF) getting the job they wish their husband had.

      1. Bill Falcon   6 months ago

        Yep. Studies indicate single women get more and more angry, woke, and support authoritarian cultural marxism the longer they are single and the more money they make. filled with anger, anxiety, guilt, and anger they lash out at in most cases White Men as the problem. Very sad. They should have married young and focused on kids and running the household. Just like the old days..women were much happier, and families thrived.

  79. BLPoG   6 months ago

    DOE is the Department of Energy, not education. Education is commonly abbreviated DoEd (although the official abbreviation is ED). Not a big deal if people read the article, but a lot of people are just going to see the headline and misunderstand.

  80. Bill Falcon   6 months ago

    Damn now where will all these new and progressive ideas to improve education like fuzzy math, whole language and trans kids come from? and all those $200K a year jobs at the DOEd with their spouses, partners, friends, fellow tribe members running "consultants" and ngos running the "programs" to fight white supremacy and promote pedos going to get rich from? Racism..

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