DOGE Goes Deep State
A smaller government with a more powerful set of unaccountable executive officials is unlikely to be much of a win for liberty.

For much of the past decade, President Donald Trump and his allies have been waging a war against the so-called "deep state"—and the conflict has only escalated since Trump's return to power.
There's no official definition of the term, of course. Loosely, the deep state is the collection of bureaucrats, contractors, intelligence officials, and other official or even quasi-official entities that more-or-less retain their power no matter who occupies the White House or which party controls Congress. But it's more specific than that. Implicit in talk about the deep state is the idea that certain individuals outside the official chain of command wield the true power in the federal government, and that they frequently ignore or thwart the will of the people's elected and appointed representatives. In a nutshell, the deep state is undemocratic and unaccountable, even to powerful figures in the federal government.
Trump has cast the deep state as one of the chief antagonists of his populist movement, in no small part because such movements always require enemies (and the less well-defined the better). Much of what the second Trump administration has done so far—from the mass firings of federal employees to the appointment of unorthodox leaders at the Pentagon, FBI, and other key outposts—is probably best understood as a direct assault upon this perceived opponent.
But at the same time that he's focused on dismantling the deep state, Trump seems to have built his own undemocratic, unaccountable executive apparatus.
How else should we view the incident that The Washington Post reported on last week involving Elon Musk, the unofficial head of the White House's Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), and Secretary of State Marco Rubio?
As DOGE was slashing its way through the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID), Rubio issued a waiver ensuring that "existing life-saving humanitarian assistance programs" should continue, despite the announced shutdown of USAID. "Several times, USAID managers prepared packages of these payments and got the agency's interim leaders to sign off on them with support from the White House," the Post reported. "But each time, using their new gatekeeping powers and clearly acting on orders from Musk or one of his lieutenants, [Luke] Farritor and [Gavin] Kliger would veto the payments—a process that required them to manually check boxes in the payment system one at a time, the same tedious way you probably pay your bills online."
As a result, USAID clinics that were supposed to be protected by Rubio's order were shuttered.
That is an almost perfect illustration of how conservatives used to believe the deep state operated—with unelected, unofficial back-channel operatives overruling the plainly stated instructions of those who are nominally in power.
And, sure, much of USAID's spending seems to have been wasteful and in need of a thorough audit, if not a serious cut. Yes, you can also make whatever jokes you'd like about Rubio getting exactly what he deserves for becoming Trump's lackey.
Still, this should be worrying to anyone who takes seriously the threat of the deep state or values the rule of law.
Whatever your views of Musk and Rubio as individuals, it simply cannot be that the Senate-confirmed secretary of state is having his decisions overruled by a man (or his lieutenants) who still lacks any official place in the White House's organizational chart and who runs a rebranded version of the U.S. Digital Service, an agency meant to streamline the executive branch's digital outreach efforts that has no statutory authority to make spending decisions.
It's an encouraging sign that some Republicans are upset about this.
"Now that Marco is confirmed and in place, there should be nobody in the administration—outside of the president of the United States or at the direction of the president—that should pause, delay, or cancel anything Marco thinks is in our best national interest," Sen. Thom Tillis (R–N.C.) told NOTUS last week in response to a question about the Rubio/Musk turf war. Tillis also chalked up the incident to a case of having "a lot of cooks in the kitchen" but said there should be no doubt that Rubio, in this case, is "head chef."
Maybe it was all just a mix-up. But while the situation with USAID and Rubio is the most high-profile, it is not the only example of DOGE and Musk operating like the very deep state Republicans used to criticize.
Take, for another example, how the Trump administration is working to exempt DOGE from the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). As Reason's C.J. Ciaramella reported, Justice Department lawyers are now arguing that the DOGE does not have to respond to FOIA requests because it is no longer part of the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB).
Much of the office of the president is exempt from FOIA (the OMB is a bit of an outlier), but that maneuver still "runs contrary to Trump and Elon Musk's promises and stated goals of delivering open, transparent government to the public," Ciaramella wrote. Indeed, Musk has claimed that "all aspects of the government must be fully transparent and accountable to the people," Musk posted on X earlier this month. "No exceptions."
Well, some exceptions, apparently.
Musk's role within the executive branch is starting to look every bit as vague and unaccountable as the shadowy deep state operatives that Trump campaigned against—and that lack of clarity might soon undermine some of what DOGE has accomplished. In a statement to a U.S. district judge in February, a White House attorney explained that Musk is a "special government employee" and an adviser to the president, not the actual head of the DOGE or even an employee of the department.
So who is running things? The White House said last week that Amy Gleason is now the administrator of the DOGE project. But Musk remains the face of the effort, and federal judges assessing the legality of DOGE's actions seem to have questions about the chain of command.
"Based on the limited record I have before me, I have some concerns about the constitutionality of U.S.D.S.'s structure and operations," Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly said during a hearing in the federal district court last week. The New York Times notes that she "expressed particular concern that [Musk's role] violated the appointments clause of the Constitution, which requires leaders of federal agencies to be nominated by the president and confirmed by the Senate."
You have to assume that other federal judges hearing other legal and constitutional challenges to DOGE's spending cuts will soon be asking similar questions. Even if the Trump administration can fall back on the claim that those changes are authorized by the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), judges are likely to look less favorably on these maneuvers if they appear to be happening on the orders of someone who holds no actual power (and, don't forget, runs a business empire that's significantly funded by government contracts).
Overruling the decisions made by legally appointed officials. Dodging transparency. Refusing to identify who is running the show. Are Musk and the DOGE just the deep state by a different name?
Some clarity and transparency from the White House about Musk's official status and the limits of DOGE's powers would go a long way toward establishing the necessary constitutional credibility to make any of these cuts stick—and would have practical benefits too, like clearing up whether federal workers are supposed to respond to his emailed demands.
It is fair to point out, as Reason's Christian Britschgi has, that Musk is not the first personal adviser to the president who has occupied an unclear and constitutionally dubious role while exercising vast, unofficial powers from the White House.
But Trump promised to demolish the deep state, not reshuffle the seating chart. Instead, he seems to be delivering a new version of the deep state, but one oriented toward conservative ends—which is, in fairness, what some conservatives wanted.
That might be good enough for some Republicans who can't see past the next election. Principled conservatives and libertarians, however, should balk at the constitutionally dubious nature of all this and recognize that a smaller government with a more powerful set of unaccountable executive officials is unlikely to be much of a win for liberty.
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Eric Boehm, are you either reluctantly or strategically majorly and totally retarded?
Totally retarded. Came in here to laugh at the dumbass.
This article more than any others proves Eric is a standard leftist.
also an "I don't even see the fucking glass" pessimist
JesseAZ, this is sad. I took a break from reading Boehm the Birdbrain's droppings, post-inauguration, just to get perspective. He hasn't changed one iota. I will attempt to help the birdbrain.
Memo to Boehm the Birdbrain: Fewer non-essential DC-based federal bureaucrats is a good thing. Stopping the sewer of unaccountable NGO funding is a good thing. Shrinking spending is a good thing. Regarding your ED problem (Elon Derangement). Musk identifies issues to POTUS Trump and relevant cabinet secretaries. There is a discussion and POTUS Trump makes a decision. The problem with that is....Nothing at all.
PS: It is fine for you to be 'reluctantly Ok' with many of the policies POTUS Trump is enacting.
I think he's more of a Libertarian. Libertarians care very much about freedom from governmental intrusion. Donald Trump is all about maximizing government intrusion. He just wants there to be fewer people to check in on him or offer pushback when he finds things in Constitution he finds inconvenient. See the difference?
Of course you don't.
I am wondering why we waste our time here. Maybe time to read the Post now.
"...while exercising vast, unofficial powers from the White House..."
What powers, TDS-addled slimy pile of shit?
There aren't any. The only 'power' that they have is to look at stuff. That's it.
A total government audit is the most libertarian thing to have happened to the United States government in the last 100 years, and yet here's Boehm pretending that it's some sort of tyranny.
There is no other way to explain this article than Boehm was paid to deliberately lie for the purposes of propaganda.
What audit has occurred?
Fucking moron.
An audit is too slow. It would be like removing tumor with a scalpel. Who needs a scalpel when you have a chainsaw? And if the patient dies, well, the cancer would have probably gotten him anyway. Go get 'em Elon!
What a fucking disgrace.
Are you one of Tony's sock puppets?
Hahahahahah... Fuck you Boehm, you brown-envelope taking shill.
This take has to be too retarded even for Sarcasmic.
Nothing is too retarded for sarc.
That’s not gonna stop Boehm from trying.
He’s really outdone himself here.
""There's no official definition of the term, of course.""
Cannot confirm or deny the term exists.
I have no respect for government. In almost every regard, governments are evil. They murdered 100+ million civilians last century, not including wars, and the mafia and drug cartels never came close.
But the worst thing about governments is they define their own limits. People get a vote every few years which has to stand for everything, and that is why We, The People can't control government. Police, prosecutors, judges, politicians, and bureaucrats all have the same employer, all have the same overarching interest in protecting their jobs.
The US government's three branches are pretty rare in my understanding, with most governments following the parliamentary system where the chief executive comes from the elected branch. I could be wrong, I've never seen any specific tallies, and there are a lot of dictators.
At any rate, the US government has been consolidating power in the Presidency since Day One. Pretending Trump is extraordinary is ridiculous. About the only recent except was Biden, because the real President was Dr Jill or some collection of shadowy figures, reminiscent of Woodrow Wilson almost exactly 100 years before.
And along comes Musk and DOGE, actually uncovering some small portion of the graft and corruption which has built up over the last 237 years, and all you can complain about is that Trump is continuing the 237 year trend of increasingly consolidated Presidential power?
Give me a break. I'll take some temporary reduction in government graft and corruption over none any day of the week, and twice on Sunday, over Biden's much faster growth in graft and corruption.
Your priorities suck.
Seems like you are one of those conservatives that wanted a new version of the deep state, but one oriented toward conservative ends, as Boehm suggested in his piece.
If the ends justify the means, that's fine. But just admit that prior criticisms about previous administrations were about the ends, not the means.
Seems like you can't read and are so far to the left that anything to the right of Lenin is conservative. You must have gone to government schools.
Was this a reference to means, or ends?
Yes, your reading comprehension is on a par with Joe trying to comprehend a teleprompter.
You said "I'll take some temporary reduction in government graft and corruption over none".
That's an end. You don't seem to care about how the temporary reduction was achieved (the means), you'll take it anyway.
What had Trump done that is illegal or unconstitutional?
That is the requirement for the attack you're attempting.
A libertarian would argue the entire structure of USAID, as an example, is not constitutional. So removing it isn't wrong. But please point out the article 1 sec 8 clause that authorized USAID.
Also what is Trump replacing USAID with? Another requirement for yours and Eric's argument to make any sense.
Government graft and corruption are an end only to the corrupt bureaucrats. The people who pay for it via taxes, who suffer from it with bullshit regulations and laws, they see them as a means.
Unfortunately, there are others for whom graft and corruption are an end: the people who pay for favors from the corrupt bureaucrats.
Eh, it's not far off the mark to consider them an unofficial part of the government at that point. But yes, I did leave them out.
"You don't seem to care about how the temporary reduction was achieved"
Doug, when did you start caring about how the ends of the progressive socialist subversion of the Constitution and the rule of law were achieved? Or do you only care about the ends justifying the means when the socialists are implementing their agenda?
Great point. Doug didn't say anything when Democrats did it first. So that makes whatever Trump does ok.
Good point!
Right wingers are collectively too old, uncompetitive and impotent to make it for much longer. Them infecting some younger people will turn out to be a meaningless blip, and a great warning to future generations. The matter is settled.
Sarc didn't say a peep when Democrats did it first. But somehow when Trump does it it's evil.
Governments being by definition the repository of legitimate force means they are the entities most expected to exercise large-scale force.
Often this is to bad ends, but sometimes it’s angled toward killing fascists, which is a noble cause.
Of course libertarians don’t care about that and only focus on the terrible destructive maw of feeding and housing poor people.
"And along comes Musk and DOGE, actually uncovering some small portion of the graft and corruption which has built up over the last 237 years, and all you can complain about is that Trump is continuing the 237 year trend of increasingly consolidated Presidential power?"
They haven't uncovered jack shit. All they have done was to pick out a series of expenditures that were available on agency websites anyway, all having been approved expenditures by Congress. I don't doubt there is fraud or that there is abuse or waste. The thing to remember is that waste is in the eye of the beholder- and in the eyes of the Congress who approved those expenditures. If they were finding fraud and abuse I'd want to hear about. But there hasn't been fuck-all. The main talking points have either proven to be just more fucking Trumpian nonsense or expenditures on things *they didn't like*.
There is no reason to believe that they are doing anything but dismantling government. Simple hicks and rubes who know nothing about how government works or how appropriations work. The idiots are cheering on the destruction of the federal government , secure in their ignorance that "government doesn't do anything", because it doesn't affect them personally. It will. Soon.
You fucking morons.
There will be a lot of name calling directed at Boehm in the comments for this piece, because the piece itself is pretty air tight.
Poor sarc.
Air tight? Then what are all the arguments against it?
Why don't you go ahead and point out some specific air tight parts? Quote a few.
Doug Heffernan, you haven't responded with any rebuttable examples of his air tight logic. Do you have none?
Are you as retarded as Boehm or something?
Probably is Boehm. All of a sudden this Doug guy shows up out of nowhere, seems to know the tenor of all the conversations here and starts posting prolifically.
If it isn't Boehm then it's another one of Jeff or Pluggo's socks.
Lol. Fucking clown.
Big government bad!!!
*government gets cut*
Small government bad!!!
What a putz.
Boehm's, or maybe Sullum's next scReed:
The libertarian Case for USAID.
Followed by the libertarian case for war.
That was half the articles yesterday.
Reason has been making that case since at least 2022.
Boehm preemptively considered that criticism.
The idea is even if you think all of the USAID sucks, you should still care about the process involved in getting rid of it.
If you're just glad that it is gone, and don't care about how it was done, then just know that the same process can be used to bring it back, or to get rid of something that you do care about.
The process was fine, jackass. It was created by executive order and died by executive order.
Explain, please, how the process was illegitimate.
Then explain why you did not complain about the process by which Joe Biden's puppet strings were handled for four years, or how Kamala was made the nominee without getting a single primary vote.
"Boehm preemptively considered that criticism."
This is Boehm, isn't it?
The 'process' involved in getting rid of it was specifically 'fortified' and refortified by successive dem administrations with the intent of creating an unassailable fortress of deep state progressive reflex within any future administration.
The attempt has been (largely successful) to make the first 'legitimate' step to be undoing all the Byzantine rules, regulations and laws which , of course , will be law-fared over the course of any administration that tried - until the rightful rulers (D) come back to once again undo any undoing that has been done.
So, yeah - I care about the process! I hope it is bulldozed into a landfill by the SCOTUS affirming that the executive arm of the govt can do what it likes to execute the laws the way it sees fit consistent with the constitution.
That is an almost perfect illustration of how conservatives used to believe the deep state operated—with unelected, unofficial back-channel operatives overruling the plainly stated instructions of those who are nominally in power.
When Trump does it it's not deep state. It's only deep state when Democrats do it. And even if it is, it's ok because Democrats did it first.
"they frequently ignore or thwart the will of the people's elected and appointed representatives."
The problem here is that the "will of the people's elected and appointed representatives" has been 99.9% terrible for liberty and limited government for a very long time, and the deep state has NOT been thwarting that terrible "will" but actively perpetuating and expanding it. The Will of The People is a slogan, not an actual goal that can be achieved. The will of a powerful minority can be - and has been - achieved. The will of a simple majority can be achieved. The will of an entrenched deep state bureaucracy can be achieved, and that is why limited government constitutionally prevented from enforcing the Will of The People is the goal we MUST achieve now.
Now we have a classic example of a Sarcasmic false equivalency doubled with a strawman. Nice try, Sarc Quixote, but that’s just a windmill you’re tilting at.
Find someone to love you as much as sarc loves unelected bureaucracy.
You need a new schtick, sarcasmic.
Sarc's not very smart so that's a tall order.
It’s so nice of Reason to let actual retards write their articles.
Eric, your concern for the rule of law is touching, but about as real as your concern for Tinkerbell.
There is no such thing. The theory, or more honestly the fantasy, is that written laws enforced by objective courts are better than King's men roaming the countryside and whacking people for no reason.
It's a fig leaf meant to cover up the naughty bits. Rule of men is the reality. It matters little whether those King's men ride horses or wear robes; the only practical difference is how quickly other King's men come along and change the rules.
One of the clearest examples is the Biden/Trump change. DEI, wokism, transgender mutilation, and all the rest have flipped. The Supreme Court actually tells the new administration to submit their new interpretations of pending court cases. What was once lauded is now reviled.
It's a joke. Yet you applaud it just the way you applaud to save Tinkerbell.
I find this incredibly amusing. In the very next article, Jack Nicastro not only shows an example of a King's man overriding the Rule Of Law, he actually encourages using it.
https://reason.com/2025/03/04/jail-time-for-cheap-rides/?comments=true#comment-10943071
Oh, sure, someone will say, it's legal, there's a law saying he can override the ruling. Yes, exactly my point. The German 1933 Enabling Act made all Hitler's decrees as legal as properly passed legislation. Did that change his decrees into Rule of Law? Does this DC process change Rule of Men into Rule of Law?
No. It's still a King's Man making decisions instead of the legislature.
"Trump seems to have built his own undemocratic, unaccountable executive apparatus."
By definition this executive apparatus is nothing like the deep state it is supposed to be rooting out (if, in fact, that is its purpose). Also, it would make sense to me that a counter-deep-state apparatus with authority equal to or greater than that of the deep state would be the only practical way to accomplish the job if Trump and Musk are serious about it, and not just engaging in aspirational theater. As long as this task force does not simply replace the existing deep state and replace it, I will continue to cheer them on!
It's a pretty odd deep state that operates in the open. I think he is unclear on the concept of deep states.
It's a pretty odd deep state that operates in the open.
Is that why Trump defenders claim FOIA requests are leftist lawfare?
No, it's because FOIA requests are pure harassment designed to distract them from their task rather than to uncover secrets.
So they're totally transparent except when they're not, and FOIA requests for the stuff they're not transparent about is leftist lawfare. Got it.
You’re a hyper partisan leftist, got it.
So you're a nonselected, fading culture war casualty, got it.
maybe the press should file FOIA requests against the current strategies for the war in Ukraine and the anti cartel strategy at the border... I'm sure there are some juicy memos and briefings there.
Surely the state has no reason to slow walk or reject those either.
point being - some of these FOIA requests are surely to gain some advantage for the 'resistance' just as FOIAS on the topics above could easily be seen as attempting to provide aide and comfort...yada yada
They can be granted AFTER the job is done, yes?
Only if the current tyrant doesn't totally ignore the FOIA while the courts take up the matter over the next few months ... unless the current tyrant ignores the court order to comply. I still don't have an answer to my question: "What happens if Trump ignores the court orders?" I'm trying to imagine a bailiff going over to the White House with an arrest warrant issued by the Bench and arresting Trump ...
You didn't care about rule of law when Obama and Biden were president! That makes what Trump is doing ok!
If that's a misreply to me, take a gander at this:
https://chartertopia.substack.com/p/campaign-finance-shows-the-rule-of
Dated October 16, 2024.
Or this one, dated July 31, 2024:
https://chartertopia.substack.com/p/follies-03
derp
Ok, Sarc Quixote, keep tilting at those strawmen in windmills.
"You didn't care about rule of law when Obama and Biden were president!"
Sarcasmic didn't care about rule of law when Obama and Biden were president.
Maybe Reason churnalists could take a hard look at who ran our country for four years? That is certainly an under-reported story with wide-reaching implications worthy of any newsroom. The curiosity about Doge contrasted against the incuriosity about the Jill/Hunter Presidency is quite striking.
I wonder why that is?
" . . . take a hard look at who ran our country for four years . . . "
And who, exactly, was that?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Yes, an interesting comparison of the invisible deep state and the visible ... shallow state?
Any writer showing such ignorance of what "deep state" means ought to find a new line of work.
""Inquiring minds want to know.""
We do.
Exactly. Reason didn't say anything about Biden, so that makes whatever Trump does ok.
Poor sarc.
Again, not just Jill/Hunter.
Fauci illegally funded banned research in a hostile foreign nation, accidentally killed a million Americans in the process and conducted a McCarthy-esque campaign of censorship against doctors whose policies he disagreed with. All of this is openly understood and relatively unquestionable save moot details. It took dozens of people inside the government to make it happen at every step.
You could go, and a couple times we have gone, right down the list of bureaucrats stacked a dozen layers *deep* in carrying out such injustices not out of any service to the people but by their own perceived mandates.
I will accept your worry and agree with you. We have to ensure that this does not become another monster that will have to be slain.
However, the fact that the DOGE is situated against the other departments does create a semblance of the separation of powers. Similar to other efficiency or budget review processes. So, I think you are being overdramatic in your worry. Additionally, the DOGE's main asset has been almost unprecedented transparency. That has kept the momentum going where every other audit and improvement process has more or less died in committee.
So while I can agree that your concerns are not nonsense, I do not think they are justified at this point in time.
The libertarian case for why we shouldn't treat cancer because cancer might come back.
Random thought induced by your comment:
What if some rogue deep state actor puts cancer on the endangered species list?
Isn't cancer just a clump of cells?
Uneducated, right-wing rejects with a jesus fetish typically consider killing the host a cure for the disease, as much as they consider clothes hangers a technological innovation in birth control. They may focus on the wrong kind of literature.
Agreed, but with this caution: they haven't actually achieved anything like the dislodging of the deep state from their entrenched positions yet. If they become the monster they seem to be trying to slay or fail to slay it, then the writer is correct that it will have added to the trend of expansion of deep state power
""then the writer is correct that it will have added to the trend of expansion of deep state power""
And some will be fine with that because their people will be in charge.
That's why I acknowledged the concern as legitimate. Because I can very well see this becoming yet another money-wasting hurdle.
They’ve successfully put a pretty big dent in the deep state’s funding.
Did they put a big dent in Pentagon's budget?
A $5,000 hammer is $50 for the hammer, $4,500 to the deep state.
They just started auditing the pentagon.
Both books?
We'll see. Two months ago I would have laughed at the idea and then I saw what they uncovered with USAID.
They'll defenitely be able to find out who got the extra money for the hammer.
I remember an article I read back in the 90s. It might have Moynihan, but one of the Senators was talking about a field trip to CIA headquarters. They had a QA with the CIA person at the end. Moynihan asked where does their budget come from or something similar. The reply was, I can't tell you, but we can hide our budget in other budgets.
Minor detail.
DOGE will expire next year.
Many right-wingers will too next year. And this year. Forever for the better.
Well, wouldn't having people like in DOGE who are directly accountable to the president make the executive more accountable? Most of the permanent bureaucracy has been barely accountable at all for a long time now. If people don't like DOGE and all that, they can vote for someone different for president in 4 years. When it was business as usual, people really got very little say in how the executive branch ran. This seems like a move in the right direction.
LOL. "The alleged deep state, if one could even define such a thing accurately, doesn't exist and even if it did exist, it would be a good thing. No questions about the funding and coverup of COVID or Hunter Biden's laptop or who was running the country for the last half of the previous administration will be answered at this time."
The orange is a good start, but you really need to work more yellows, blues, and reds into the color scheme of this clown car magazine.
—is probably best understood as a direct assault upon this perceived opponent.
Probably not. Best understood as reducing government. Worst understood as an attack on his enemies. But even if it's the later, it achieves the former; which since most of these agency and certainly the modern administration state (pass bill, then write law) are unconstitutional, its a good thing.
We are at 123% debt to gdp ratio, there must be cuts and they will all look ugly to some asshole. But cuts we must make.
So Boehm how about telling us what you would cut since every spend cut is an outrage?
"Unaccountable"? DOGE is accountable to the President you ignoramus.
Wait, is that a picture of Elon Musk wearing a ball cap and a T-shirt? In the Oval Office? How disrespectful! Where's his suit?
Ha!
You both suffer from ED, I see. My sympathies.
(Elon Derangement) 😉
"How disrespectful! Where's his suit?"
Remember how Musk was a President of a foreign country on a mission to beg for more money?
Fucking idiot.
And if he was a Democrat he'd be flashing his boob job at people on the White House lawn or getting railed in the Senate by his boyfriend.
That's the ticket. Focus on some irrelevancy and pretend that's what people are really concerned about.
New here?
It's a joke. Lighten up Francis.
Interesting.
https://www.investopedia.com/blackrock-leads-consortium-buying-panama-canal-ports-for-nearly-usd23b-11690345
I don't think companies like Blackrock should fall under the same free market definition as Jim's Plumbing & Heating or MacKenzie Trucking of the Midwest. Libertarianism needs to figure out how to deal with gigantic pseudo-governments in its philosophy.
Now THERE'S an idea whose time has come! For starters, perhaps some of these Parallel Governments operating in this country should be expected honor our First Amendment, for example?
Can of worms? Well, put on your thinking caps!
If the president fired everyone in the executive branch would he become all powerful? Would he become god?
Trump is the Demiurge. He controls time, space and all matter, locking souls into the material realm.
His subservient, hopeful, wide-eyed, kneeling followers seem to experience more than just a demi-urge when someone points out to them that he is not their friend and that he played them for his gains. It shakes them. Deeply. Probably all fatherless.
>There's no official definition of the term, of course. Loosely, the deep state is the collection of bureaucrats, contractors, intelligence officials, and other official or even quasi-official entities that more-or-less retain their power no matter who occupies the White House or which party controls Congress. But it's more specific than that. Implicit in talk about the deep state is the idea that certain individuals outside the official chain of command wield the true power in the federal government, and that they frequently ignore or thwart the will of the people's elected and appointed representatives. In a nutshell, the deep state is undemocratic and unaccountable, even to powerful figures in the federal government.
That is a weird paragraph.
There is no 'official definition' - *who* would provide such a thing? English is a descriptive, not prescriptive, language. Is Boehm expecting the federal government to have it codified in a manual? The AP style guide?
Secondly, he then goes and provides a definition of it.
So assuming he means 'no agreed upon definition' when he says 'official', well the problem is that that is the agreed upon definition. That is exactly what everyone - supporters and detractors alike - mean when they say 'deep state'. Even the people who deny the deep state exists are denying that a cabal *defined as above* exists.
There is no Deep State, except for DOGE, it is the Deep State.
Judging by the comments, the Deep State is good when the right people are part of it. Thanks for clearing that up.
Right and wrong are determined by who, not what.
Two dipshits agreeing about how retarded they are. Cute.
Isn't that your position on immigration? That the immigrants themselves (morality) determines whether the US immigration law is right or wrong?
No.
Then why is it here, retardo?
Then why shouldn't they follow the law when crossing the border?
In your argument that they do not have to follow the law you posted a diagram of the current difficulties as the excuse for them to not follow the law.
Don't remember that?
If me seeing certain things and shifting the way I did is any indication, Republicans are done, long term. And possibly mid term.
Judging by this comment, shrike is a retarded leftist with shitty reading comprehension.
The deep state exists and is going to be hard to untangle. So right now the option isn't deep state or no deep state. People may disagree on what constitutes "better", but I don't think it should be very controversial to say that it is preferable to have officials in place in the deep state who support better policies and more transparency than the alternative. For practical politics, you need to compare things to the available alternatives, not the hypothetical right way for things to be. I used to be a total cynic about things like that. But I've decided to try a little optimism. I don't have terribly high hopes, but maybe the current administration can improve some things.
the Deep State is good"
Why don't you tell us all how the fuck DOGE is Deep State without lying, shill.
Boehm couldn't do it and lied his ass off about the powers it has and what it does. Why don't you give it a shot.
Also a good point. DOGE are basically advisers to the president. They are serving at his pleasure and are not a permanent part of federal bureaucracy. The deep state is the bureaucracy that stays in place regardless of how people vote for president. And DOGE is very much not that.
Excellent article, Mr. Boehm! The hypocrisy of the new administration is on full display, not that it's much of a surprise. If the law can be broken, sidestepped, or ignored to advance an agenda - even if it includes limited government elements - it makes it far easier to advance a pro-government agenda. Tyranny thrives on lawlessness.
Eric, is that you?
Trouble is, the federal government has been tyrannical and lawless for ages now, and that's how it got to the state it is in now. Is there really such virtue in going strictly by the book if it will mostly serve to allow the status quo to continue? It's not like the other side is all of a sudden going to start playing by the rules and obeying the constitution.
The old libertarian/conservative line: tyranny is bad, except when a guy I like does it 1,000 times worse.
Politics is a dirty, shitty game. What are you going to do? Of course people prefer the policies they prefer.
Also, how is it 1000x worse?
Because the Democratic governments have been largely constitutionally adherent and normal and pragmatic, and the Trump regime has been a fascist wrecking ball?
You’re the one defining tyranny as any old thing. Then, naturally, welcoming actual tyranny.
Maybe the dems should have ran a better candidate?
How can you possibly run someone better than the most incompetent criminal orange meat sack ever to grace the planet with his diaper odor?
Well when you put it that way. It should be real easy.
But I guess the democrats are worse.
Nah, I have eyes and ears and can tell which politician is worse between a normal qualified moderate constitutionally accountable politician and a horrendous fascist illiterate mass of cottage cheese.
So the only logical conclusion is that the participating American voters are majority dumbfucks of crisis proportions or Trump stole the election.
I am not surprised those are the only conclusions you could come up with.
We finally have an administration willing to tackle the corruption, waste and fraud that every libertarian has cried for for the past half a century. Boehm is a grifter.
Is the idea that we need literally the most bankrupt morally corrupt fraudster in the history of earth to be able to sniff out all the fraud?
"Literally"?
Name a bigger criminal in the history of the United States than Donald Trump.
It’s his whole shtick. Be such a cosmically scaled criminal that the law simply doesn’t know what to do with him.
You’re a retard.
Tony is not a serious person. The only appropriate response is mocking his stupidity.
But I am the eldest boy.
I’ve been here a long time, and if there’s a few things I’ve learned about libertarianism, it’s that:
1) Government is bad because it commits violence, which is why it must be restricted only to those tasks that require shooting, maiming, and caging people.
2) If a democratic electorate doesn’t do what libertarians want, we need an autocratic drag queen to force them to eat it.
You always hated libertarianism because you're a fascist, Tony. Don't pretend you gave it a fair shake.
Explicitly anti-fascist, which you rubes decided somehow was a bad thing. Remember?
Yes, it's a bad thing when you redefine "fascist" to mean whatever you don't like politically.
I know what fascist means. Thanks for your concern.
I would love to have a non-fascist Republican Party I could entertain voting for during fits of financial conservatism or whatever.
Unfortunately they’re literal Nazis now, which to be fair I predicted would happen as long ago as the 90s.
No, you apparently don't. The closest thing the US has had to fascism is the early 20th century progressive movement. And they would have said so too (before the war anyway).
So Trump seizing unilateral control of all functions of government, politically targeting undesirables and putting them in extralegal camps, banning books, and joining an Axis of douchebag tyrants ain’t no big thing because something something 1930s. Got it.
""So Trump seizing unilateral control of all functions of government, ""
All three branches? Really? Wow that guy is good.
I’ll meet you back here when he concedes to all the litigation in the courts and apologize for exaggerating.
How could that happen. You claimed he seized the courts when you claimed he seized all government functions.
"Unfortunately they’re literal Nazis now"
Republicans - literal Nazis
Hamas - independence fighters
That about right, Tony? I assume you're fighting in the frontlines of Ukraine?
I’m not fond of uneducated radicals of any stripe. Thanks for your concern.
""Explicitly anti-fascist, ""
You mean the new anti-fascist? The kind of people who will chase you down because you tried put out their protest dumpster fire?
I’m an American. We’ve done worse to fascists.
But you would claim the fascist is the guy defending himself from people like you.
I would claim that a fascist is a fascist and as an American we either destroy fascists or there’s no point to being an American.
I'm going to second the claim you don't know what a fascist is. Or third or fourth it, whatever.
But you do seem to be good a trolling. Like most fascists.
How kind of you to say.
A fascist is, for example, Adolph Hitler, who by sheer coincidence I’m sure is the author of the only book ever confirmed to be within reading distance of Donald Trump.
Godwin's law is the mantra of the left.
A moot law now that we have a president who openly praises Hitler and studied Mein Kampf but no other book as far as anyone knows.
Not only is Godwin's law is the mantra of the left.
They have little ability for actual comparison.
Hitler invaded how many countries? Killed millions of people.
What has Trump done for you lately? Upset some government officials?
He’s done nothing to me yet but he has sent people to a concentration camp with no due process and crashed several airplanes and it’s only March.
Why is Elon Musk assumed to be uncorruptable by the MAGA commetariat? He is a corrupt as the next billionaire. Everything DODGE does should be subject to FOIA unless there is a real state security reason for keeping it under covers.
The SPACEX and satellite contracts should be audited for excess expenditures along with the rest of the big contracts, but not by Musk's hand-picked team.
I feel like he's sincere. That doesn't mean he's incorruptible. But I think that if he was only after enriching himself he would have made a lot of different choices over the past several years. Time will tell, but at this point I would guess that he will go back to just running his companies and trying to go to Mars in a year or two.
Pray tell - what exactly was transparent about out borders? What constitutional authority allows a wave of foreign nationals to enter our land unannounced, and receive special treatment? Biden let in a gazillion people and dumped them at cities without telling a soul. People only realized just how many criminals were in their cities when Trump enforced deportations that were already ordered. According to your definition, Obama is "deep state" for DACA and Iran deal, both a subversion of congress.
Most people (like me) barely had any idea USAID even existed, much less the fact that they were funding trans operas. Simple question - did DOGE achieve transparency into government operation, or did they obscure it? Elon probably opened more eyes to government bloat and steered related discourse than this magazine did for most of its existence.
We have a working definition of "deep state". DOGE, which at worst is "guys doing the right thing but requires congressional input", cannot be thought as deep state. DOGE has never sent anyone to jail for posting memes, conducted lawfare on political enemies, or schemed to cancel European elections because they didn't like who won. Ridiculous.
If you like the cuts but would like it to be constitutionally kosher, then grant the president broader powers to do so. Javier Milei shut down entire departments on his order, and presidents in Argentina have the power to do so. You guys love Milei, right? This is all about just being sticklers for convention and rule of law and not TDS? Because it's not like Reason ever urged readers to disobey unjust laws or justify subversion of our immigration laws for the sake of morality?
Elon Musk, a cokehead who was once called a genius for liking vroom vroom cars and pew pew spaceships (something I never understood), has uncovered no government waste or fraud other than the kleptocratic looting he himself is committing.
I think there is a clear libertarian position on borders, which is that people should have freedom to travel wherever they want and respond to supply and demand of their labor. I understand, however, that sometimes they have brown skin.
""which is that people should have freedom to travel wherever they want and respond to supply and demand of their labor."'
So how come it is other people and not US citizens to get that privilege? Can I just go to Mexico and look for job without showing any papers at all?
A libertarian position on open borders requires 1. Reciprocity. 2. Just because you cross the border doesn't mean we have to feed and house you, even if you have no money.
I dunno, it’s called having principles. Libertarians are usually willing to sacrifice their own children to rampant school shootings on principle. So what gives?
I’m all for pragmatic compromises. But if I’m more libertarian on borders than you are, doesn’t that make me the libertarian and you the tyrannical thug?
Denying equal rights to Americans is having principles?
The thing is, you don’t even have a case for why (the longtime American tradition of) free immigration is bad. Even industry wants it, which libertarians usually suckle like piglets on principle. Cheap labor is the lifeblood of the American economy and always has been.
But the fucking racist rubes Republicans rely on to keep that good deal in limbo decided their racism was more important than not being poor. Oh well.
""The thing is, you don’t even have a case for why (the longtime American tradition of) free immigration is bad.""
I am not aware of American's tradition of free immigration. At least where people can just walk across the border unchecked.
Part of my family immigrated here in the 1800s and had to go through Ellis Island.
I’m just positing the libertarian position. I can’t for the life of me reconcile a philosophy of maximum individual freedom with turning away people at artificial lines on a map because they happened to be born on the wrong side. But maybe there’s some pragmatic reality to address with respect to borders.
The point is that Republicans had a good thing going. Industry gets a bunch of cheap labor with no rights while their base of ignorant rednecks get to hate those same people as a main motivation for voting for Republicans.
Now their groceries are going to bankrupt them and all they got was putting Latinos in an extralegal concentration camp and 10 transgender people not getting to play sports.
They upset the whole balance. I always knew stupid would win in the end.
"" a philosophy of maximum individual freedom with turning away people at artificial lines on a map because they happened to be born on the wrong side. ""
But you seem fine if that doesn't not apply to Americans. That is NOT a libertarian position.
Trust me I wish it were easier to emigrate to other places about right now
If controlling your border is fascist, why would you want to move to a fascist country that controls their borders?
Or here's an idea. Just pick the country you want to go to. Pay someone to smuggle you in. Find a host city and demand to be fed and housed.
It sounds like a stupid idea doesn't it. Because it is.
Now there are people who are willing to take advantage of people who believe that it sounds good. If you pay them large sums of money they will "help you" make it happen. These people are preying on people who are not that smart. If liberals really cared about people they would be calling for an end to the human trafficking pipeline that is bringing people here.
Laws about border crossings are not fascist, they’re just not that libertarian.
Comprehensive immigration reform has been on the table for all my life, but because Republicans like having cheap labor with no rights and ignorant racist voters, and are psychopaths, they have had no incentive to have any sensible law on the issue.
Democrats are now the party of corporations, pay attention.
Democrats are both the former racists and the current racists, maybe you should learn some history and find non leftist sources on information.
I think reason is being aimed at low info folks like yourself these days.
You’re too stupid for me to engage with.
YIKES, he thinks a larger fed with unacountable bureaucrats is better than a smaller fed with unaccountable bureaucrats........does he think before he writes???
This piece is leftist babble, why is it inn reason????
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With Republicans, every accusation is a confession.