Trump's Dramatic Crossroads Between Protectionism and Dynamism
The GOP faces a choice about how to move forward.

A popular meme depicts a road diverging. In one direction is a many-towered palace glistening in the sunshine. In the other is a crumbling castle beset by storm clouds and eerie purple lightning. The point of the image, known as "Dramatic Crossroads," is not hard to apprehend: A single starting point can lead to very different outcomes depending on the path one chooses.
At the start of President Donald Trump's second term, two unusually distinct possibilities await, and skirmishing has already begun between proponents of the two visions. Trump seems to find each appealing in its own way, so it's hard to guess which path the new administration is more likely to take.
In a surprisingly thoughtful keynote speech at last summer's National Conservatism Conference, Vivek Ramaswamy took a stab at clarifying the situation. The entrepreneur and onetime presidential candidate drew a distinction between the "national protectionist" and "national libertarian" wings of the ascendant American right. According to Ramaswamy, both options are nationalist in that they try to put America's national interests ahead of other considerations. (This he contrasted with the "neoliberal" consensus of the 1990s and early 2000s, which supposedly prioritized economic growth at the expense of national security and national unity.) "I think it's been decided, as obviously as it possibly can be, that America First is the future direction of the Republican Party," he told me the day after his speech. "From where I sit, the most important debate for the country to have is the intra–Republican Party and even intra–America First debate" about how best to advance the American cause.
That's as useful a way as any to conceptualize the crossroads facing the GOP and the country. The (national) protectionist path sees free trade and immigration as threats to Americans' well-being, and it sees the federal administrative state as a weapon conservatives can and should use to reward their friends and punish their enemies. The (national) libertarian alternative sees trade as positive except where national security is narrowly at issue, welcomes foreigners as long as they're willing to work hard and embrace America's civic ideals, and wants to shrink the administrative state so that conservatives' enemies can no longer wield it against their friends or anyone else.
The two visions imply meaningfully different approaches to public policy. Take trade. A national protectionist aims to stop cheap foreign goods from undercutting domestic producers; he wants Americans to buy American, even if it costs more, because those purchases will support jobs on the homefront. That would make all imports troubling—T-shirts as well as technology, from Canada as well as from China. A national libertarian, in contrast, cares about eliminating dependence on China only in what Ramaswamy called "critical sectors for U.S. security": military equipment and pharmaceuticals. Moreover, he recognizes that "if we're really serious about decoupling from China in those critical sectors, that actually means more, not less, trade with allies like Japan, South Korea, India, Vietnam." Stopping Americans from buying fruit from Peru or cars from Germany makes consumers worse off, and it doesn't do anything to address concerns that our top geopolitical adversary could control our access to lifesaving drugs. (How serious a concern that ought to be is a separate question.)
Until recently, Trump has been treated as a dyed-in-the-wool protectionist. But at the tail end of the 2024 campaign, he and those around him began to make recognizably libertarian noises. Now, as he begins the difficult task of assembling a governing agenda, two paths lie before him. One leads toward dynamism, the other toward stagnation. The future of American prosperity depends in no small part upon the choices he and his party will make.
DOGE Days
You may be wondering how different these options really are. While neither will align perfectly with a typical Reason subscriber's preferences, even a MAGA-inflected libertarian agenda could represent a major improvement over the left's militant progressivism or the "muscular" conservatism advocated in recent years by the so-called New Right. As evidence, witness the leading protectionists' indignant reactions to some of these recent developments.
Oren Cass is often considered the top policy wonk pushing right-wing economic nationalism. A former adviser to presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, Cass in 2020 launched American Compass, a think tank "dedicated to helping American conservatism recover from its chronic case of market fundamentalism." Since then, he and other nationalist conservatives have endorsed a host of government interventions historically associated with the Democratic rather than the Republican Party, from industrial policy to labor regulations to family subsidies to tariffs. The Cass agenda is explicitly protectionist, seeking to shield American workers from foreign competition and to prop up the domestic manufacturing sector with taxpayer dollars.
For years, both the mainstream media and right-wingers online have treated this as the only plausible future for the GOP. The debut of national libertarianism upended that presumption, and Cass was none too pleased. Days after the election, he began lambasting Ramaswamy's ideas as "warmed-over market fundamentalism with a dash of nationalism sprinkled on to mask that past-the-expiration-date funk." His resentment at being overshadowed at what should have been a moment of triumph for nationalist conservatism was almost tangible. Yet his complaint that national libertarianism lacked popular support ("Who, besides Vivek Ramaswamy, is a National Libertarian?" he asked) was belied by the excitement around the idea of slashing government emanating from many of Trump's own supporters. "Vivek's 'National Libertarianism' is much closer to the coalition's center of gravity than NatCon-style communitarianism," responded a contributor to Cass' own website, Samuel Hammond.
It was around this time that Trump announced he was tapping Ramaswamy himself, along with Tesla and SpaceX chief Elon Musk, to head the whimsically named Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), an advisory commission tasked with streamlining the federal government by rooting out waste, fraud, and abuse; rolling back intrusive regulations; and perhaps even "deleting" unneeded agencies. "We are assisting the Trump transition team to identify and hire a lean team of small-government crusaders, including some of the sharpest technical and legal minds in America," the pair wrote in a November op-ed for The Wall Street Journal. This was by no means the last word on the administration's agenda—indeed, Ramaswamy's tenure with DOGE would turn out to be short-lived—but it made it clear that the political momentum was no longer running full-speed in a protectionist direction.
Marc Andreessen, another Silicon Valley entrepreneur, volunteered his services as well. "In the two months since Trump's election, Andreessen has been leveraging the hiring skills he honed scaling start-ups to help build the Trump administration during frequent visits to the president-elect's Mar-a-Lago Club in Florida," The Washington Post reported in January.
According to Andreessen, his break from the Democratic Party came after officials in the Biden administration made it clear they intended to regulate the crypto and artificial intelligence sectors into the ground. In a January podcast with The New York Times' Ross Douthat, he described a meeting in which White House senior staff told him and his business partner, Ben Horowitz, "This whole thing where you guys think you can just start companies and write code and release code on the internet—those days are over."
"That's the day we walked out and stood in the parking lot of the West Wing and took one look at each other and were like, 'Yep, we're for Trump,'" Andreessen said. Even knowing that the MAGA coalition contains its own share of tech skeptics, he added, "I'm 100 percent certain it's going to be better than what we've been dealing with."
H-1Betrayal
National libertarianism's appeal to this president should not come as that much of a surprise. A big part of his selling proposition is that under Trump, America will start to win again. We'll be winning so much, you'll get tired of winning! We're going to win like never before! And like the emerging "tech right"—but unlike national protectionist types—libertarians have always been fundamentally bullish about what human beings can accomplish if the government would only get out of the way and let them shoot the moon.
In his conversations with the Trump transition team, Andreessen explained, "the high-level thing they say with respect to anything involving tech or business is, 'We want America to win.' What that means is we want America to be the preeminent country in the world. We want America to be the global economic leader….We want to make sure that American technology proliferates globally and not Chinese technology." But as libertarians understand, that vision requires unleashing American innovation, not stymieing it with regulations or coddling it with subsidies. It means opening foreign markets to our companies, not walling off the American economy from the rest of the planet.
At the end of the day, protectionism is rooted in fear and pessimism: fear that we'll be outcompeted, and pessimism about the idea that a growing, dynamic economy can make us all better off. Libertarians are fond of making just such claims—so fond that Cass coined a term to mock us for it. Instead of tussling over the size of different constituencies' relative shares of the fixed economic pie, the libertarian view is that our goal should be to grow the pie so everyone's share is bigger. Cass calls this "economic piety," and he rejects it. For him, the goal is not to grow the economy; it's to direct the economy for the benefit of deserving constituencies such as blue-collar workers.
This is pure zero-sum thinking. It cements in place a mindset where one group's gains necessarily come at some other group's expense. To libertarians, technological innovation is a boon because it makes the whole economy more productive and everyone richer in the long run. But some people usually are hurt in the short run—think of the proverbial buggy-whip salesmen when automobiles come along. Protectionists are inclined to be suspicious of the tech sector and sympathetic toward policies that would tamp down economic dynamism in the name of protecting the would-be losers. The result, inevitably, is stagnation.
In December, the uneasy coexistence of New Right and tech right within the Trump coalition broke open after Ramaswamy posted a missive on X complaining that the culture in America "venerate[s] mediocrity over excellence." The result is a dearth of math and science skills, he said, which forces tech companies to bring in talent from abroad.
While most Republican politicians have long insisted that only illegal immigration is a problem, national protectionists à la Steve Bannon object to all immigration as undercutting the wages of native-born workers (and perhaps also sullying American bloodlines). Thus, computer programmers who come to the U.S. on H-1B visas are just as suspect as Central American refugees who slip by night across the southern border—more so, in the view of certain New Right social media accounts, since they take high-paying jobs that rightfully belong to white American men.
On this issue, Trump's longstanding antipathy toward migrants from "shithole countries" crashes into his desire to see American companies win on the global stage. Bannon has tried to brand the H-1B program as a "total and complete scam" and Musk et al. as "truly evil" and "sociopathic overlords" for supporting it. But those who have tried to run enterprises in Silicon Valley know that part of winning is recruiting the best and brightest, regardless of where they happened to be born—a point highlighted by libertarians and downplayed by protectionists during the great immigration fracas of Christmas 2024.
In the end, Trump appeared to side with tech, declaring that "I've been a believer in H-1B" and "it's a great program." New Right accounts exploded with outrage at the supposed betrayal, but the American people didn't seem to mind. Trump's favorability ratings continued to tick upward, approaching record highs before Inauguration Day, according to the FiveThirtyEight poll aggregator.
NatConfused
Still, there are abundant reasons to be skeptical about the staying power of this (national) libertarian moment. On the one hand, Trump has proved himself to be a savvy intuiter of public opinion. In the immediate aftermath of an election in which voters named inflation as a top issue, he surely recognizes that people are not likely to react kindly to policies that drive up the price of goods. That realization may have had something to do with the conspicuous absence of tariffs from his flurry of Day 1 executive orders (and the speed with which he negotiated a delay of threatened tariffs against Mexico and Canada).
On the other hand, as Cass and Co. are learning the hard way, anyone who thinks this president can be counted on to faithfully execute a coherent ideological agenda is deluded. What's more, to the extent that Trump does have persistent commitments, they have for decades run in the direction of hostility to both global integration and the rule of law. Some of the executive orders that were issued the first day—one of which reportedly stopped Afghan refugees, including family members of active-duty U.S. military personnel and people who risked their lives by assisting America against the Taliban, from boarding planes to the United States—should be a sobering reminder of that fact.
The tech right is hardly populated by principled free marketers either. As entrepreneurs, they may object to the stranglehold that Democrats have tried to put on their business model, but they generally have no qualms about benefiting from the public fisc: According to Politico, SpaceX and Tesla alone have received more than $15 billion in federal contracts. It's eyebrow-raising as well that many Silicon Valley founders and funders swim in the same water as people such as the "neoreactionary" blogger Curtis Yarvin, who has said that Americans need to "get over their dictator-phobia." (Newly minted Vice President J.D. Vance—a venture capital alum with ties to both Musk and Ramaswamy—has favorably cited Yarvin's ideas and referred to him as a friend.) None of this should inspire confidence.
While the enthusiasm about shrinking the state is welcome, DOGE itself has always been a questionable proposition. The new administration has evinced zero appetite for cutting the entitlement programs that overwhelmingly drive federal insolvency, which means the government efficiency push at best will probably amount to tinkering around the edges of America's overspending problem.
Whether the new "department" will manage to competently push through even modest reforms without sparking a popular backlash against the very idea of limited government is also very much in doubt. Within minutes of Trump's swearing in, DOGE was facing lawsuits on procedural grounds. That same day, Ramaswamy announced he would not be helping to lead the effort after all—ostensibly because he wants to explore a run for Ohio governor, but allegedly because he antagonized too many people in the MAGA orbit with his vigorous defense of high-skilled immigration. And even libertarians are now warning that some of Trump's subsequent executive actions appear constitutionally dubious.
As always, Trump's mercurial nature is a towering obstacle to getting anything done. It certainly seems like only a matter of time before Musk, too, finds himself on the outs with the administration. Whither the government efficiency momentum then?
Nonetheless, the GOP faces a choice about how to move forward. The protectionist path will always be tempting because it means instant goodies for favored constituencies. But protectionism weakens not just the economy but the American spirit by telling people that their industries can't compete, that winning on the world stage is no longer a realistic goal, that concessionary redistribution rather than genuine abundance is the best they can dream of. Nationalist conservatives are confused if they think that is what voters were pulling the lever for in November. Most people aren't asking for a handout; they just want Washington to stop rigging the system against them so they can get on with their lives.
America's greatness has always stemmed from the energy and adventurousness of her citizens. As Trump himself put it in his second inaugural address, "Nothing will stand in our way, because we are Americans and the future is ours." Instead of retreating to our crumbling castle and pulling up the drawbridge, we should be moving with hope toward brighter days ahead.
This article originally appeared in print under the headline "Trump's Dramatic Crossroads."
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"In a surprisingly thoughtful keynote speech at last summer's National Conservatism Conference, Vivek Ramaswamy"
Why was it surprisingly thoughtful? Because he's a dot head and isn't capable of being thoughtful in your view?
Ohhhh you want to protect h1b. Fuck off and die. "we need to import Indians because the are better than American workers". If that was remotely true India would look like wakanda. The reality is Indian culture praises theft and back stabbing. So if India has better engineers why is their country shit?
So to sum up slades retarded cuntyness
"I look down on vivake because I disagree with him being not a Marxist pos, but if he's pro importing people to destroy America then I guess he's okay for this one.
These people are entirely too stupid to realize why they continue to lose.
Never interrupt your enemy when he/she/they/it is making a mistake.
It is an amazing economic theory CATO/left libertarians have made.
Offshore manufacturing to other countries. Then bring in anyone who wants to come into the US after offshoring. All while reluctantly agreeing to a large welfare state, increased regulatory differentiation between national and foreign markets, and ignoring all bad acts.
Basically remove the jobs here, then import more workers despite moving jobs elsewhere. All in a large cost welfare state. Then scream and rage if someone ever starts to cut or dismantle the welfare and corrupt system.
How else can we achieve left-libertarian Neo-feudalism?
"CATO/left"
Yeah, that was an infuriating revelation.
That was one of my favorite lines from Steven Crowder:
If Indians are so amazing, then why does India still look like...India.
You'd think these amazing wunderkinds would improve the country significantly. I mean, WE need them more than anything, it seems, but India does not?
India is also the slave capital of the world, despite it being "outlawed".
No wonder they want more brownskins from the subcontinent.
Poo in the loo
Why do you hate natural, organic, free-range poop? (insert SFC joke)
Well, for lack of a better term, India is shitty.
*..."we need to import Indians because they are better than American workers". If that was remotely true India would look like wakanda.*
Policy aside, that Wakanda line is priceless. I will undoubtedly be borrowing it in the future, so thanks in advance.
This mayor seems like a dumb fuck.
https://www.9news.com/article/money/denver-mayor-20-service-charge-restaurant-bills/73-c83f3349-2ed2-4780-8ab0-d20fa2c0a6eb
Denver mayor talks about 20% service charge added to restaurant bills
Look, like all progressives, Johnson does not "think" like you and me, especially in finance and commerce. In his mind, people while paying to dine in a restaurant are rich capitalist oppressors, and a justified target for punitive taxes and wealth transfer. And people working in restaurants are oppressed wage slaves in need of socialist state support and wealth equity.
But the dimwit asshole cannot see that those are the same people. And he can't see how other consequences of his proposed tax might actually harm the people he wants to save.
ps. As a clever politician Johnson might understand these things very well. And he might know that retarded Democratic voters do not, and will support his delusions and reelect him.
pps. He might also know (and I do) that plenty of blue-pill limousine liberals will pay the 20% surcharge and still tip, to demonstrate their support for the peasantry.
"But the dimwit asshole cannot see that those are the same people. And he can't see how other consequences of his proposed tax might actually harm the people he wants to save."
Spot on. This will turn out just like the delivery tax disaster in Seattle if passed.
"pps. He might also know (and I do) that plenty of blue-pill limousine liberals will pay the 20% surcharge and still tip, to demonstrate their support for the peasantry."
Bullseye on this post script. So true. I unfortunately know some of these types as well.
I am impressed how much people who have never done work for tips in their lives seem to know best what people who work for tips need or want.
...Hourly wages will be a pay cut for them, as a rule. I was a crap waiter and it would have been a pay cut for me.
"This mayor seems like a dumb fuck."
If you have been to Denver before 2015 and after, you will know that dumb fuck doesn't even begin to describe everyone who has anything to do with running Denver (into the ground). Legal weed brought every halfwit wake-and-baker to the city and its surrounds, and when Trump got elected the first time, they put the bong down long enough to turn the state blue and to turn Denver midnight. That sent out the bat signal to every parasite in Austin, California and the hinterlands to flee the places they already ruined and come here to enforce their horrendous politics on a new state.
Denver, which a decade ago was among the cleanest and most liveable large cities in the country, is now a true shithole like every other big blue city in the west. Suburban hipsters celebrate its great restaurant scene and all of the A-list music acts that love coming to Denver to play a gig, partake and hit up the mountains for a few days. But the same suburban hipsters won't take their nice cars up there or walk down most of the city streets after dark because they're almost guaranteed to have something bad happen to their property or their person. (And their version of "something bad" doesn't even include navigating the endless junkies shitting on the sidewalk or the outdoor REI conventions posing as homeless camps.)
Denver's schools are all abysmal because they elect racist activists and serial pedophiles to run the school board (actually true). Its streets are mess because they elect mayors who not only allow endless bums and junkies to set up shanties pretty much anywhere, they bilk the taxpayers to make sure said bums and junkies have plenty of subsidies to buy their drugs and puffy jackets. Its crime is a mess because they elect police chiefs based on their sex, skin color and promises to decriminalize crime.
In short, Denver is a warning sign to whatever nice cities still exist. Elections have consequences, and Democrats refuse to stay put and live with their consequences. They've already started to flee Denver. Just hope they don't come to where you live.
Get rid of the democrats. Their existence isn’t worth all of this.
Can confirm. Used to go yearly. Now I go elsewhere. It truly has become a shithole for the most part.
This is what Trudeau did to Canada.
Interesting.
I used to go every year to Denver to catch a Cubs game starting around 2012. Right around the time Chicago started to go in the shitter.
We stayed about a mile from the park and would walk to the game. Felt safe even in early evening. By 2017, less than 5 years, it completely bottomed out. That mile walk, even during the day, was a complete nightmare. Just like Chicago a decade earlier, no more games in Denver.
A freaking shame. Beautiful city. Always a blast. Ruined.
They've already started to flee Denver. Just hope they don't come to where you live.
Too late. I live near Chicago. They infested here before they got to most other places.
Yup. Lived in Downtown Denver in the 90s. Safe, clean and cheap rent.
Today it's full of homeless and junkies, plus it's crazy expensive to live there.
As bad as Republicans may be, Democrats just seem to ruin everything they touch.
Ask Red Rocks about that jackass. He's got more than a few choice words about the mayor of Denver.
The two paths described here are essentially polar opposites; seeing them as two "forks" in the same road seems bizarre to me. I frequent this website because I am a libertarian, so clearly I favor the second path. Is there any chance that Donald Trump can really be coaxed over to the libertarian side? It seems unlikely to me. But certainly, I encourage those who might have some influence over him to try.
Is there any chance that Donald Trump can really be coaxed over to the libertarian side?
He is a businessman who understands how tariffs make protected businessmen rich (at the expense of consumers), and he's a petty narcissist bent on using his power to get revenge on Democrats. He doesn't care about economics, nor does he care if he turns the executive branch into a roided weapon that will be used on conservatives after he's out of office.
It's all about him, right now. So, no. Not a chance.
Concur. Zero chance. There is not a libetarian cell in Donnie's diseased body.
He says "tariff" is the most beautiful words in the English language. He wants to pick the winners and losers by regal fiat.
Just to remind that Republicans used to believe Obama was evil for loaining money to GM and saving the domestic auto industry. Fatass Donnie is Obama on steroids.
Now Donnie is openly siding with Soviets over Western democracy.
And he claims Ukraine wants to start WW3 for defending itself from Soviet communists.
Reagan would be spinning in his grave if corpses could react.
Just to remind that Republicans used to believe Obama was evil for loaining money to GM and saving the domestic auto industry. Fatass Donnie is Obama on steroids.
You don't mean they think it's ok because Democrats did it first, do you? Because that would be a first.
You thought it was okay when the Democrats did it first, and never made a peep, but if Trump even muses about it you shit your pants with rage.
You're what's popularly known as a hypocrite.
Obama was evil for loaining money to GM and saving the domestic auto industry. Fatass Donnie is Obama on steroids.
When did Trump give money specifically to an auto manufacturer, pedo?
"Now Donnie is openly siding with Soviets over Western democracy."
That's right, neocon warpig. Keep fighting right down to the very last Ukrainian. Soros' Raytheon dividends aren't fat enough yet.
Tell me you're a neocon Bushpig warpig without actually coming out and saying so, you little bitch. Here's an idea: go over there and enlist yourself, fucktard.
You mean like pardoning Ross fulbright, and cutting goverment regulations, and working to end us involvement in foreign conflicts?
Is that libritarian?
Or cutting spending, removing democrat capture of government, undoing the NGOs and their unaccountable, government funded system.
But that sounds like the path to the apocalyptic ruined castle hellscape!!!
Has there been any update on Rand’s Recision Bill? That would be huge.
Recessions generally require the listing of exact things to cut. Believe they are waiting for DOGE to collect that information to make the cuts. Can't do it without the knowledge.
Interesting. I’ll be honest, i didn’t even know they were a thing till I saw the post about him proposing it.
Please accurately describe your libertarian side.
Quicker response, do you hate the mises caucus?
What a sad, little man you are, attacking anyone who doesn't hate the same people you hate. So much hate. So petty. So sad. So Trump-like.
So, you cannot discuss your libertarian side.
Got it.
The gullible idiots like sarc can never articulate their beliefs. They latch on to simplistic bumper sticker phrases that sound good and stop there. This is why they fall for bullshit that is obvious bullshit when you even peel back a single layer and think about the underlying ideas.
I've discussed it plenty, but I realize it doesn't matter. I'll say what I think and then the usuals will call me a liar because what I say conflicts with what they say about me, and then they'll continue to argue against what they say about me. So there's no point. I just skip the part where I say what I think and let them do what they're going to do anyway.
Poor sarc.
Cite?
"the usuals will call me a liar"
That's because you are a liar. A prolific one even though you're not very good at it.
This is why we bookmark your posts. Because every time you kind of sober up a little you try to deny everything you posted.
Thanks for proving my point. Is the sap running your way? Getting some base for your maple whine?
No, thanks for proving MY point, retard.
Ideas™ !
Yeah, that isn’t the sick burn you think it is. You look like a pathetic asshole (which is fair. You ARE a pathetic asshole).
I'll say what I think and then the usuals will call me a liar because what I say conflicts with what they say about me, and then they'll continue to argue against what they say about me.
Oh woe be to Sarc the woebegone True Libertarian® who is the only one here who can see properly and carry the light of libertarianism through the darkness of what he believes is the evil conservative wasteland.
Sarc, fuck off.
That post wasn’t an attack…
It was a setup to see if the guy hates the same people Jesse hates. If he does then Jesse might try to bond over the hate because that's the only thing he seems to bond with people over. If not Jesse will go on the attack because that's what he does to anyone who doesn't hate the people he hates.
Almost everyone hates you, Sarc, because you're a shitty little ragetroll, so Jesse's got hundreds of people to bond with.
Not me though, you're my favorite lolcow. The best milker here. I'm always laughing whenever you're flipping out.
...big ones, small ones, skinny ones, fat ones...
...drunk ones, troll ones
I've told you before, we don't hate you. Hate is a strong emotion, like love, and requires actually caring about you. Most of us just don't give two shits about you except to counter your lies. It's not hate, it's pity.
He asked a question jackass, not an attack on you. Yet you felt you should use your Jesse Derangement Syndrome and attack him.
"...I frequent this website because I am a libertarian, so clearly I favor the second path. Is there any chance that Donald Trump can really be coaxed over to the libertarian side?..."
You are obviously NOT a libertarian, but are a TDS-addled steaming pile of shit.
It has now been one year since Reason went pay-to-comment, will they ever cash this threat?
I believe they will at some point.
Maybe just tariffs on foreign import comments. (Sorry, ML.)
Doh!
Maybe next Leap Day.
The comment section is an emarrassment to "Free Minds and Free Markets" since MAGA has infested it.
The comment section is an embarrassment to multicellular life, which is supposedly endowed with neurons capable of even some rudimentary thought processes.
The only embarrassment is that you still post here.
No, it’s been an embarrassment since you linked child rape videos here.
The comment section has been an embarrassment since a certain neocon statist pedophile troll started making third-rate shitposts here... just like that one.
An insane coprophiliac with a penchant for heckler's vetos, a drunken rageoholic who is slowly becoming a Nazi out of sheer peevishness, and a fat fifty-centing politruk aren't helping either.
Twat about the devout, PervFected "Christians" who say that Jesus told them to tell the "politically wrong" people to kill themselves? Because THAT is twat Jesus wants, for politically wrong people, at least, for sure?
Are you confusing me with Jesus? Weird.
PervFected You ARE indeed confusing Yourself with Jesus! Weird, yes, butt FAR worse, EVIL!!!
Nobody is going to pay money to argue with the MAGA imbeciles who have taken over the comments.
What about arguing with pedophile warmongers and near-retarded drunken trolls who would suck off Hitler if it meant they could piss off Jesse by doing it?
That's what his Canadian Thanksgiving would look like if they celebrated it.
Why would I have thanksgiving at your place?
No, Sarc, few will pay money to have socks here unless they're older ones like those you have. Face facts, we outnumber you here and in real life.
he and those around him began to make recognizably libertarian noises.
Unlike Reason.
Please quote the "certain New Right social media accounts" claiming that "high-paying jobs...rightfully belong to white American men."
Why not? We have had several decades of "X percent of high-paying jobs rightfully belong to (fill in your favorite oppressed class not white, American, or male)."
That's pretty funny, you asking for quotes, when yesterday you claimed (on a different subject) that no one had ever answered you, and when several people did, you said it was not worth discussion.
https://reason.com/2025/02/28/mass-firings-arent-meritocracy/?comments=true#comment-10937181
I know this wasn't yours, but this one has been proven wrong hundreds of times: "Profits would go to legitimate businesses rather than gangs and cartels"
For example, the huge and incredibly violent cigarette smuggling business.
Another is that the same people who were selling weed illegally here in Canada before legalization, are still selling weed illegally in greater amounts but with more of a focus on minors or export.
Finally, Trudeau's safe supply program has essentially legalized fentanyl and opioids. The addicts pick up their legal drugs and promptly take them to dealers to trade for something with a stronger kick. The dealers then pass the legal stuff to the cartels who either send it straight to the US or distill it and then send it to the US or sell back to the junkies. Since then ODs have increased a hundredfold.
It’s a tricky wicket, to be sure, as it seems illicit drug use (and its perils) dwarfs even that of alcohol.
That’s not to say that either should be illegal, but there will be inherent down sides to legalization that we just didn’t see when Prohibition was overturned.
I'm for drug legalization solely because it's morally wrong to arrest someone for what they willingly choose to do to themselves for pleasure, but I'm under no illusion that it will make anything better.
In fact, any improvement on things like drug trafficking will be ameliorated by an increase in things like child neglect.
That’s where I fall as well.
My issue with Reason style support both editorial and erstwhile commenters) is that they tend to only focus on the upsides of the policies they like (immigration, trade, drugs, etc). People that have been adversely affected by these things don’t want to hear platitudes and people that are indifferent can tell when you’re blowing smoke up their asses, so it behooves us to acknowledge the downsides of our preferred policies.
But as Overt has lamented in the past, they don’t argue from first principles so it’s incredibly hard to do that.
The (national) protectionist path sees free trade and immigration as threats to Americans' well-being, and it sees the federal administrative state as a weapon conservatives can and should use to reward their friends and punish their enemies.
America! Fuck yeah! All hail his Orange Majesty!
The (national) libertarian alternative sees trade as positive except where national security is narrowly at issue, welcomes foreigners as long as they're willing to work hard and embrace America's civic ideals, and wants to shrink the administrative state so that conservatives' enemies can no longer wield it against their friends or anyone else.
Libertarian? More like leftist America haters with TDS.
No, Drunky, YOU are the leftist. We’re patriots.
"Libertarian? More like leftist America haters with TDS"
That's certainly true for you, trollboy.
'A popular meme depicts a road diverging. In one direction is a many-towered palace glistening in the sunshine. In the other is a crumbling castle beset by storm clouds and eerie purple lightning.'
Uh, sure. Do you know any other fairy tales (or, these day, college freshman lit)?
NOTHING is reality is simple black and white, good or bad. And everything has costs and trade-offs. People with adult-level intellect can see how choices can provide only some desired goals, and only for some people. And actual libertarians temper their visions with restraint so that other people are not forced onto desired paths.
Actual libertarians have principles. You faux libertarians attack anyone with principles with accusations of having TDS.
Wow. Are you this drunk already?
Oh my god. It's already 1030 there. Can't a guy have a breakfast 40. It's called brunch.
He woke up drunk.
And went straight to getting drunker.
Best way to deal with a hangover is to drink more.
On a related note, Sarc hasn’t had a hangover in years.
"Actual libertarians have principles"
See? That's why I'm always telling you that you're not libertarian, trollboy.
Obama is black and white
And red all over!
And blind. I mean gay. Wait, which one is the one where you like sex with dudes? Oh yeah, gay.
He can't be. He became president. That's the only thing that stopped Chase.
Chase? Chase Manhattan?
Chase is gay?! This is the first I’ve heard of it.
Does Sarc know?
He’s definitely pinko on the inside.
Stephanie, like many CATO globalists, seems to have a fundamental understanding of free trade. We continue to see the description of disadvantaged or unilateral trade declared free trade, it is not. Free trade literally has the word between in its definition, but the term has been coopted into one way.
Throughout this article Stephanie declares the corporation, globalist, one way free trade as free trade. She infers the large trade pacts that allow other countries to issue limits, tariffs, and other negative responses on america as free trade, and in return America promises to off shore their economy. It is a shared Marxist and globalist view whose intention is to for Marxists, spread the wealth of the rich, and for globalists, enrich the political elite.
Lost everywhere is the regulatory delta Stephanie's side issues only to the givers in this system, the theft of the takers in this system, the continuation of subsidies from givers to takers. Her definition of free trade, as well as the CATO one, is current leftist theory applied at a global scale. Always disadvantage one side to give to the other side.
This narrative started around 2010 at CATO and has spread like a disease. Ignoring theft, market manipulation... endorsing regulatory deltas and subsidies... advantaging some over others while calling it free trade.
We see it at the WTO, WEF, Climate agreements, large "free trade" agreements, etc. All whole rewarding actors who don't share your libertarian views. Countries that are seeking advantage through theft, exploitation of others, and even slavery. This is the key item the left libertarians do in their nonsense declarations of free trade.
Should be misunderstanding in that first sentence, or change fundamental to naive.
Classical liberal economists, the ones that Jesse calls leftist, look at trade from the point of view of the consumer. Unilateral free trade is better for the consumer than what Jesse promotes. This is because it maximizes consumer purchasing power, does not promote opportunity cost by protecting industries at a comparative disadvantage, and doesn't interfere with consumer freedom.
Jesse's ilk goes around lying about free trade because his lot puts businesses first at the expense of consumers. He mocks low prices, mocks the concept of comparative advantage, mocks opportunity cost, and mocks consumer freedom. Then he promotes import taxes and subsidies at the expense of the consumer, and says it's for the benefit of the consumer. When in reality he wants to fleece consumers and taxpayers for the benefit of politically connected businesses.
None of his arguments are economic. They're all fallacies and lies.
He also equates free trade agreements with free trade. Free trade simply means your government lets you freely engage in trade. That's it.
If the consumer has no job, then lower prices aren't exactly Shangri-La.
A century ago at least half of the population were farmers. Now it's two percent. That means we have no food and forty-eight percent unemployment. At least that's where your logic leads.
No, it really doesn't. You're under the mistaken belief that everything needs to be imported with your strawman and false equivalency there.
"Jesse's ilk goes around lying about free trade"
Fuck you're telling a lot of lies today, trollboy. Give us an example of that, drunky.
Throughout this article Stephanie declares the corporation, globalist, one way free trade as free trade....Stephanie's side issues only to the givers in this system, the theft of the takers in this system, the continuation of subsidies from givers to takers...Countries that are seeking advantage through theft, exploitation of others, and even slavery. This is the key item the left libertarians do in their nonsense declarations of free trade.
This really reads just like something from Bernie Sander's website or the Huffington Post. Where did you get these ideas?...oh right...the Huff Post economist you like to cite.
This narrative started around 2010 at CATO
Bullshit. You try to rewrite history to validate your confirmation bias that Trump is correct on tariffs. You're only fooling yourself. You're in denial that you want leftist market manipulation. How much socialist policy will you internalize as MAGA adopts it into the GOP? And then accuse libertarians for being left?
Jesse has already internalized Trump's idiocy over trade deficits / foreign investments, and Trump's bizarre claim that Zelensky started Russia's invasion of Ukraine. He will never admit Trump has flaws.
If Putin is an asshole does that mean that Zelensky can't be an asshole?
He's lying about what we say about Ukraine. He's a sarctard.
*whiny voice* He's lying. Waaaah!
The only government meddling you hate is when it's agin you. You have no more principles than Trump, which is a hurdle only for a shadow. Is that what you are, a Trump shadow?
Things you refuse to do:
* Explain how Trump can raise foreign investments while lowering the trade deficit they increase.
* Explain how Ukraine started the Russian invasion.
A shadow is also incapable of explaining the impossible.
"Explain how
Ukrainethe US and Boris Johnson started the Russian invasionFixed that for you, but the Azov Brigades and ethnic cleansing in the Donbass certainly played a big part too.
Ukraine is as corrupt as Russia, give or take.
Zelensky canceled elections and shut down media. Putin probably doesn't have to shut down media since he's been in power a lot longer, and he probably knows how to rig elections better.
But Putin was the invader, and claiming Zelensky started the war is as nonsensical as claiming Poland started the Nazi invasion, or Britain and France started WW II by declaring war.
Yeah, pretty much this. It's like when a certain member of my family died and everyone started pretending he'd been a saint his whole life, when in reality he was kind of a dick.
Just because Russia invaded Ukraine (unequivocal) and started this war (unequivocal) doesn't turn Zelensky in Ghandi or Ukraine into Tibet. Unlike most of Reason's writers and commenters, I can acknowledge that two things can be simultaneously true.
And I can hope they both lose. I guess the simple human-child mind recognizes a bad guy and then has to assume a good guy. (And the compulsive compassionate human then has to help the good guy.)
Exactly, Zelensky is an asshole installed by our leftist, globalist elites. One might say that the war is a consequence of the actions of people like Victoria Nuland.
Lol. Okay sarc lite.
I've had these views and have developed them over 2 decades dumbfuck.
Amazing how on this topic you mirror the fragility and attacks of sarc. Ever noticed that?
Did you bother reading any of the links or books i provided you? Or like sarc you're too scared to learn and ruin your shallow belief systems?
Your entire economic ethos is built on a shallow idealistic system that forces the analyst to dismiss any form of reality, as it crumbles on any scrutiny.
Glad to see you show the exact same behaviors as sarc when you get cornered on a religious belief not founded on reality.
I've been ignoring you in economic threads because I can just reads sarcs bullshit if I want your views. But you can't help defend your ignorance on the subject, just like sarc lol.
I mean you even borrowed sarcs strawman generator. Lol.
You are just slightly less retarded than sarc on other subjects.
I've criticized Trump plenty. Almost everyone here has.
When did I sat big Z started the war you lying sarc like shit weasel? Lol
Fucking retards like yourself can't help but push lies when your shiboleths are easily destroyed.
Fuck off sarctard.
Jesse, you've got a great nose for sniffing out interesting tweets and articles.
But you haven't got a lick of independence. If Trump likes it, you like it. If Trump's agin it, you're agin it. No more discretion than a hog in a garbage pit.
Stop fawning over the idol with the golden head. Being better than Biden is a pretty low bar. He ain't the Maharajah of Bavaria. He still puts his pants on one leg at a time.
He's an economic ignoramus who thinks he can lower trade deficits and raise foreign investment, even though they are the same thing.
He thinks Zelensky started Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Try using a filter instead of a pass-through for your Trump news.
Try being a thought leader instead of a cheer leader.
Try thinking for yourself.
Surely you have higher aspirations than being sarc's and jeffy's do-si-do partners to amuse your cadre of NPCs. Work can't be very rewarding at the rate you post. Maybe you need a better hobby.
Yes. You are so mad that your fragile religious belief systems break that you resort to the same bullshit as sarc. Lol.
You can go back to articles under Obama with my same views you dumb retarded sarc wannabe.
I have called him out on his gun issues, on even some of his tariffs (because i understand the purpose of retaliatory tariffs unlike your retarded ass), or his demeanor, and picks.
But you and sarc have to create this strawman because you can't defend your own stances. Because of how little you actually understand to do so.
You literally become the same as sarc in any thread on economics. It is pathetic lol.
Defend your fucking system. Use real world examples, not bumper stickers. You can't though. Because to you it is a shallow belief system. The strongest part of it is your conviction you're right despite all evidence.
It's pathetic.
You attack peoples morality instead of their beliefs with your idolization claims. You do so just like sarc because you have nothing intelligent to say. Youre a fucking moron.
Free trade was a real world success for Britain for 50 years. Is that good enough for you, or are you going to ignore it or deny it?
Here's your turn: explain how Trump can lower trade deficits while increasing foreign investments. He can't, and you can't explain it, because foreign investments add to trade deficits.
For bonus points, admit that Trump is full of shit when he claimed Zelensky started Russia's invasion. Don't drag in some provocation about Ukraine wanting to join NATO unless you want to also admit that Russia should control the independent country Ukraine. You won't because that would be admitting that Ukraine should control the independent country Russia, and Mexico and the US should control each other.
Asking Jesse to admit Trump is full of shit is the same as asking an Evangelical to insult Jesus.
You’re not full of shit Sarc.
You deposited the contents of your bowels into your tattered, unwashed undergarments, while you were blackout drunk again.
Shut the fuck up, Sarc.
Surely you have higher aspirations than being sarc's and jeffy's do-si-do partners to amuse your cadre of NPCs.
Ha!
SGT neither invited nor wanted your help, jackass.
No. You do not understand free trade. It is, literally, free of government encumbrance. Nothing more, nothing less. And it always benefits the country as a whole even when applied unilaterally.
Your conflating it with national security, isolated jobs lost and gained, isolated price rises and taxes, is mendacious off-topic nonsense. If you want to argue those, be honest about it. If you insist on throwing them into the pot, be honest that you have changed the recipe.
Trump's a damned fool when it comes to basic economics. He doesn't understand that trade deficits, by definition, include foreign investments; he thinks he can raise foreign investments and lower trade deficits. He thinks trade deficits are some kind of debt. He's ignorant.
He blames Zelensky for starting Russia's invasion of Ukraine. He's a damned fool.
If you can't even admit that Trump gets those two things 180° wrong, then you're a bigger fool than he is. Just because he's better than recent Presidents doesn't make him perfect. If you can't admit his flaws, your admiration for his successes is meaningless.
Grow up.
And in your second sentence you show how fucking retarded you are on the subject. Yes. Free of government encumbrance FOR ALL MARKET ACTORS, just not a subset.
This means unilateral trade is not a free market you fucking dumbass. As other governments are still restricting or causing trade restrictions.
Retards like you think it is fine if foreign governments manipulate trade while screaming free trade. Your own thesis denies your own claims lol.
You're too fucking dumb to see your own contradictions.
God damn man. You're a fucking moron on economics.
Here is a second hint for you. If your views only work in an ideal state, your views are sophmoric and retarded. Again, building a 747 using high school physics.
You demand zero anti market reactions to others inserting anti market actions while screaming free trade like a fucking retarded acolyte. Lol.
Must fucking hurt how often you've been proven wrong constantly this year. But like most retard religious acolytes, you double and triple down.
Imagine having such a religious belief as you do that requires you to constantly dismiss reality to justify the belief.
Apparently you don't understand the meaning of "unilateral". And you sure don't understand free trade.
You haven't proven me wrong about squat. You sure haven't proven Econ 101 wrong about free trade and trade deficits.
All you've done is yell and scream and cuss and back up Trump.
All you've done is yell and scream and cuss and back up Trump.
Must be a day that ends in 'y'.
So your conception of a free market is the president imposing top-down artificial price controls without so much as a hat tip from Congress.
Why don’t you save some of those “retards” for later. You’re going to need them for when you mash your head against a wall and start eating your pubes.
As much understanding of validity as STG.
Short answer. No you retarded fuck.
Long answer, educate yourself to understand one actor pretending a market is free when it reality it is not does not make a free market you retarded fuck.
The fact your system requires lying about the state of reality shows how bereft of thought it is.
I couldn’t find any content in that post. Try again.
I’m for free markets tempered by rational government regulation.
You’re for what? One fat orange drag queen deciding how much you pay for everything? That free market?
"So your conception of a free market is the president imposing top-down artificial price controls without so much as a hat tip from Congress."
What the fuck, Tony. This was literally your position for the last four years. Who do you think you're kidding.
Your first sentence is a spot on description of his view of free markets.
How so, drunky?
Your conflating it with national security, isolated jobs lost and gained, isolated price rises and taxes, is mendacious off-topic nonsense. If you want to argue those, be honest about it. If you insist on throwing them into the pot, be honest that you have changed the recipe.
Yup. He is intentionally and dishonestly conflating politics with economics. Or too stupid to tell the difference. Or both. I go with both.
And congrats for not renouncing economics to become a True Trump Defender. I didn't think you had that much integrity.
You talking about integrity is like Shrike talking about child safety.
SGT will be on the shit list in the next article where he agrees with Trump on something.
SGT has already told Sarc multiple times that his "help" in this discussion with Jesse isn't wanted. Sarc, like a buzzing fly, never seems to get the point that he's not wanted there.
“And it always benefits the country as a whole even when applied unilaterally.”
Well that’s just demonstrably untrue, especially in the short term, though I’d argue we’re seeing the long term consequences from 40 years of mostly* unilateral free trade play out (personally it seems like a mixed bag).
*I say mostly because it’s not like we’re anywhere close to 100% free of government interference in the market and depending on the year, not even the most economically free.
It's almost as if this article were written for a far different publication, rejected, and then altered for Reason.
The article is yet another attempt to wrap globalist and leftist thought under the veneer of libertarianism.
Cass calls this "economic piety," and he rejects it. For him, the goal is not to grow the economy; it's to direct the economy for the benefit of deserving constituencies such as blue-collar workers.
The subtitle of the piece linked talks about favoring production over consumption.
Last I checked, there is no economy growth if you don't actually have things to buy.
"European leaders rally behind Zelenskyy after Oval Office blowup"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGa61g5lU8I
Terrific! Let the Euros foot the bill for their problem!
Oh, they're "rallying around him", not paying the bills? Goody.
They increased their social media signatures to five Ukraine flags!
^+1
Hilarious
It's not protectionism vs. libertarianism anymore. We are back to feudalism. The heads of vassal states are supposed to grovel and beg for mercy and pledge their loyalty to their feudal lord Trump who will bestow it only if he is pleased with their offerings.
If this is about Ukraine, you should be overjoyed, as Europe wants this exact relationship with the US to stop.
I was unaware other countries have a right to American money.
What countries have a right to our money? How long have they had this right?
Why is it so important to Donnie for Ukraine to surrender to the Soviets?
Why is he insisting on $500 billion of minerals from Ukraine to repay $160 billion in military aid? (He lies and says it is $350 billion).
Why not dun Israel for our past aid instead of giving them more like he is doing?
Both Israel and Ukraine were attacked and deserve the right to defend themselves.
But somohow Donnie sides with Putin again and again.
"Why is it so important to Donnie for Ukraine to surrender to the Soviets?"
Why is it so vital we keep spending billions on a losing war? How does it benefit us?
"Why is he insisting on $500 billion of minerals from Ukraine to repay $160 billion in military aid? (He lies and says it is $350 billion)."
Why should he not? We are being asked to do things that are not in our direct interests. Ukraine ceasing to be is not an American problem.
"Why not dun Israel for our past aid instead of giving them more like he is doing?"
Israel is not losing billions of our dollars and they are not busily losing their war. Also, Israel has elections.
"Both Israel and Ukraine were attacked and deserve the right to defend themselves."
Yes, they do. Nobody is saying they do not.
WE do not have to be involved. That seems to be your stumbling block.
"But somohow Donnie sides with Putin again and again."
Weird how Putin did not invade other countries under Trump, but did under Obama and Biden.
You evaded the first question.
Pulling military aid is reasonable. Insisting they surrender is not. I hope Europe steps up their support.
And for the 100th time - Vlad and Donnie are sympatico in their hatred of Western liberal democracy. That is why they cooperate.
Nobody has demanded anybody surrender. Pointing out that without the US, this war would have been over long ago is simply stating reality.
Zelensky can fight on if he so wishes. Without US money and arms, it will not go terribly well. Or long.
"And for the 100th time - Vlad and Donnie are sympatico in their hatred of Western liberal democracy. That is why they cooperate."
Europe has decided to sic the police on people for insulting the government or praying. They overturn election results and THEN arrest the top vote getter.
Honestly, Venezuela and Europe seem fairly similar these days. If what Europe has right now is a "liberal democracy", then no, it is not worth having.
What they have, mind you, is fascism. Which is always falling in the US but always lands in Europe.
"Nobody has demanded anybody surrender."
Remember that turd lies. It's all turd does.
No. He also pervs on young kids. Do not sell him short.
You're right.
Seriously, you are engaging a pathological liar who has NEVER argued in good faith for the many years he's been here posting a constant stream of lies.
You cannot expect the shit-pile to begin now.
turd, the ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Putrid Putin-Vlad The Impaler needs to militarily grab-invade a small slice of Israel. Then, being doubtlessly a Man of Principles, FatAss Donnie will STOP all American assistance to Israel, the Arabs will take it all over, and we'll finally have Peace in The Middle Deceased!!! Thanks Vlad and Donnie!!!
Why is it so important to Donnie for Ukraine to surrender to the Soviets?
Because the alternative is every drop of Ukrainian blood.
Many of us would rather die than serve Evil. Let them decide.
Then go die with them.
Preferably now.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Serve evil? You ARE evil. You are an unrepentant pedophile who proudly linked child rape videos here.
By rights you should kill yourself.
Cuntsorevaturds making friends, gathering votes, and influencing people by... PEDDLING KOOL-AID AND SUICIDE!!! How's it workin' for ya, servant and serpent of the Evil One?
EvilBahnFuhrer, drinking EvilBahnFuhrer Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…
He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
His Hero is Jimmy Jones,
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jim-Jones
Loves death and the dying moans,
Then he likes to munch their bones!
He’s truly, completely a necrophiliac,
His brain, squirming toad-like, is REALY, really whack!
Has no thoughts that help the people,
He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
Kool-Aid man, please listen,
You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/
Hey EvilBahnFuhrer …
If EVERYONE who makes you look bad, by being smarter and better-looking than you, killed themselves, per your wishes, then there would be NO ONE left!
Who would feed you? Who’s tits would you suck at, to make a living? WHO would change your perpetually-smelly DIAPERS?!!?
You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!
I see a rabid squirrel has responded. It should be burned slowly. Until nothing is left.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Hey, dumbshit retarded pedo, you go over there, you enlist, and you fight, fucker.
Don't you socialist (including social libertarian)? Everyone's wealth belongs to everyone else. Plus borders are bad.
Feudalism? Like in the Peoples Paradise of California? Fuck off.
Democrats did it first, that makes it ok.
You don’t know how to say anything else, do you?
Except Trump isn’t instituting feudalism and Jeff is wrong.
Neither is Newsom, and jeff is exaggerating. Hyperbolic metaphors all around.
You defend Newsom like a knee jerk. How unsurprising.
I don’t believe Jeff thinks he’s exaggerating, but hey, I could be wrong.
This literalistic shit is getting tiresome. Sometimes people make jokes.
Libertarians don't call it "the imperial presidency" for nothing.
White knighting Jeffy and Pluggo who both want to fuck kids, is not a good look on you.
Sarc would happily stab a baby if it meant he could troll Jesse about it.
If he ever had a soul, the alcohol dissolved it long ago.
Nothing but respect earned for Zelensky yesterday. You can't get more boss rizz than heading into pro-Soviet hostile territory and push back. He was giving Putin a solid "fuck you" by pissing on his surrogate Fat Donnie.
turd, the TDS-addled ass-wipe of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Shut up, you statist boot-licker.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a TDS-addled lying pile of lefty shit.
Imagine sucking the dick of someone who canceled elections and demands money and arms from other nations and then calling someone else a bootlicker.
Never change bushpig.
I think that Trump and Vance planned to tag team him advance. Their attacks sounded too rehearsed. Especially Vance's. They probably figured out that the old Soviet mineral surveys weren't accurate and wanted out of the deal. So they ambushed the guy and blamed him in order to save face.
You are so delusional. Didn't you notice that every jackass EU leader sent out the exact same, down to the punctuation marks, message supporting Zelensky afterward?
https://x.com/22BMCG/status/1895993783814406588
So who tried to set up an ambush, Sarc?
Lol. Little man with his hand out knowingly feeding his own people into the meat grinder in a losing effort in order to prolong his grift from the American taxpayer for as long as possible before eventually accepting reality. Buttplugs hero. Haha.
Oh, and “eventually” is here. Let’s get this shit over with. Or at least stop financing it.
Idiot.
As I said, if you love Zelensky so much, you go there, enlist, and fight. Shit, I'll even buy the fucking one-way plane fare for your laying pedo ass, dipshit.
Nothing but respect earned for Zelensky yesterday.
You mean when his bullying attempt failed and he tried to come groveling back a few hours later?
For the sake of the grift you morons would see every single Ukrainian dead, wouldn't you, Joe McCarthy.
The "Dramatic Crossroads" meme is a misleading oversimplification here. For one thing, no current social situation is EVER limited to just two paths! There are hundreds of millions of individuals in America alone and each one of them is making hundreds of minor and major decisions every day. Even in retrospect after the purple lightning and decaying castle; or the shining city on the hill has been achieved a highly complex analysis is required to try to tease out the elements that led from the beginning state to the observed outcome. Secondly, what "path" Trump takes is not limited to either-or for the options speculated about in the article. He can do both or neither, emphasizing one over another, while taking quite a number of other actions simultaneously that do not fit comfortably into either of the tags above. And finally, there's the "shit happens" narrative overarching the entire treatise here: in the two castles meme, an earthquake happens causing a chasm to open up in the middle distance blocking both paths.
Obviously, the walking brainstems so thoroughly represented here who simply worship whatever orange human aspic their Facebook feeds tell them to worship are just useless sacks of nothing.
What bothers me is this pathology of already being a billionaire and needing to turn the US into a dystopian piggy bank to loot it further. Maybe Elon just knows no other way of doing business. It’s not like he’s good at anything other than sucking on the public tit.
At least he has told us what he wants, not that you idiots listened: to destroy the earth so he can be king of Mars. Shrugs. He is an idiot, after all.
I get slimy oligarchic morons taking over a shithole wasteland like Russia, but the sheer greedy menace of these Republican cunts is hard to fathom.
Who really cares if Trump peed on a hooker? Why does Mike Johnson need the full force of US power to make sure his son doesn’t masturbate?
It’s just all so baffling.
Maybe you should try looking in a mirror. You seem to be the only one baffled here. Trump was President for four years and managed to loot ... NOTHING! Musk is part owner of a number of enterprises and has a lot of money. If that makes you jealous you should, again, look in a mirror. If Musk does what he says and cuts fraud, waste and abuse from the federal bureaucracy, try to recall who made fraud, waste and abuse illegal. When something bad happens to America you can say you told us so. Until then go cower in your safe space until the boogey man goes away.
Even a moronic poseur like Elon knows that “waste, fraud, and abuse” is Republican code talk for stealing your money. Come on. For how many decades must we dance this dance?
I seem to recall a global pandemic happening on Trump’s watch in which he managed to secure the dubious first-place honor of worst death rates in the world. I say dubious because at least it was mostly his own cultists he killed, which is probably why his ridiculous choad oligarchs needed to juice up the social media blender that turns people’s brains to mush, if of course they didn’t simply steal the election like so many other third-world drag queen autocrats who can’t simply win power by being decent or intelligent.
Tony, you faggot democrats are the thieves. You and your fellow travelers are traitors to your pinko cores.
Then why didn’t we steal the 2024 election?
I fully advocated for it, but my fellow faggot Democrats didn’t listen.
His defenders are too stupid to understand that his 2024 win is proof that he legitimately lost in 2020.
They are unburdened by the bondage of evidence. What matters is what Daddy says goes.
The irony is that they want Daddy to tell them how to think, but they also want Daddy to be as dumb as they are so they don’t feel insecure.
I don’t really understand the logic.
They are unburdened by the bondage of evidence.
They feel it to be true, and you can't reason people out of feelings.
Sarc and Tony, go get a room so you can actually get it on.
Tony is in luck. Sarc will let Tony finish inside him for the low cost of a sixer. After all, Sarc does have his pride.
God it is hilarious watching sarc and STG join your side even though you proudly admit to not being libertarian or for capitalism.
Lol.
Show how far away from libertarianism the political right gone when progressives are sensible by comparison.
You were never a libertarian, dudette.
Progressives’s aren’t sensible?
I didn't think they were very sensible when Obama was in power and they defended my criticism of his policies with attacks of racism, "It's complicated and you're simplistic" and you're getting paid.
Nor do I think conservatives are very sensible when Trump is in power and they defend my criticism of his policies with attacks of TDS, "It's complicated and you're simplistic" and you're getting paid.
I mean, they're slightly different. But not in any way that matters.
"I didn't think they were very sensible when Obama was in power and they defended my criticism of his policies with attacks of racism"
Who did that here, you lying drunken fuck? Even if you were able to remember things said here last week, let alone 10 years ago, you'd still be lying.
@sarc: Sorry, that was a little tongue-in-cheek as I think we’re all aware that progressives, even the GOPe kind, aren’t sensible. Probably should have included the sarcasm tag.
@ML: he was saying the progressives here, like Tony and shrike, would do that. And they absolutely did, and still do.
Shocking. We see the exact same argument from Tony as STG.
Hey STG. Hope you realize how dumb your turn to yelling Trump idolization is now. I doubt you'll realize it though.
Venezuela is calling for your return.
Go full communist.
Although I’m not a capitalist in the sense of giving away all public resources to Elon Musk so he can stick the money in his ears and go “pthphtph,” I do appreciate the value of free minds and free markets. Someone has to carry the libertarian torch.
You’re a very stupid person who can’t help but say very stupid things. Your comment was showcases that.
I am so interested in the assessment of my intelligence by a person whose apparent sole personality trait and political stance is to be a murderous psychopath.
So, sticks and stones.
I have empathy. Just not for soulless Marxist fucks like you. And your intelligence is a fraction of mine.
Oh, and your comments are ill conceived and unwarranted. Did you know that?
I conceive my comments here by warrant of my pinky nail. The rest of me is busy conceiving actual thoughts for other purposes, like cooking soup.
The whole point of being a fascist is to relieve you of the burden of thought, so I don’t know why you feel need to boast about your intelligence. Just hit the bad people with stick. That’s your only thought. Why bother with more?
Always shocking how you communists can never comprehend simply not taking other people's things.
Is it capitalism when you freely hand your social security to Elon Musk so he can be king of Mars?
Why do lefty shits lie so transparently?
Yes, Elon spent millions to steal literally hundreds of dollars. Totally logical.
You do not worry about people far less wealthy and infinitely more anonymous than Elon who have had access to your SSN info this whole time?
He might be referring to SpaceX contracts. He thinks Elon is trying to loot the government.
Your democrat friends got there first.
He like Trump is a notoriously bad businessman yet somehow rises to the top anyway. This is the purpose of oligarchy. So they don’t have to actually be intelligent because, well, they can’t be.
What does Jesse want? Import taxes! When does he want them? Tuesday!
You wouldn't recognize that torch even if it was burning your face off, but given your hatred of those you deem less intelligent, you'll soon meet said torch.
I love the poorly educated, as long as they don’t get uppity and put people into power who hurt me and my loved ones.
Considering your violent ideations, I think my concerns are validated.
These guys are not looting anything. This is about power, not money.
Whatever it is, it’s pathological. Something about our economy evolutionarily filters assholes to the top.
I’m not full libertarian because I believe that the greediest and most power-hungry among us shouldn’t have the most wealth and power. Oopsie.
In a capitalist economy people get wealthy by proving goods and services that people want more than they want their money. And I've got no problem with that.
What I do have a problem with is rent-seekers who get wealthy because of tariffs, licensing, regulations and other government uses of force that suppress competition.
These clowns who defend Trump are not libertarians by any stretch of the imagination because they cheer abuse of power as long as it is against Democrats, immigrants, government workers, and anyone else they hate. They either don't understand or don't care that we've got a government of laws, not men, which means that firing people doesn't not shrink government. It just temporarily hobbles it until the next Democratic administration.
Actual libertarians would shrink government by repealing laws, not firing people. The result would be less power for power-abusing politicians of either party to wield.
“Whatever it is, it’s pathological.”
Lol. Didn’t take much to get you to back off from your rock solid “Elons stealing your social security!” premise.
All of your whiny premises are similar. “Useless bureaucrats getting fired are being punished!” “Government wastes staggering amounts of money, but it’s not fair that they don’t take more from the rich!”
My god, you’re an ugly, resentful bitch.
Always has been.
I like Tony. He's consistent which makes me think he's honest. Disagreement isn't lying.
You like Tony because you think he's on your "team" and hope he'll be friends with you.
Newsflash: Tony Godiva will say whatever he's paid to say, Sarckles.
I have vehemently disagreed with Tony for years, but he’s not stupid and seems honest enough.
That doesn’t stop him from being an “ugly, resentful bitch”. Though that comes with the territory of his political afflictions.
There’s some truth to that. Tony is an openly malignant global Marxist. He makes no pretense about it.
You should really follow his example and just admit your extreme far leftism.
Consistent isn’t the word I’d use for that postmodernist asshole. Of course, you’ll white knight him as you seem to have a perverse hatred for the majority here.
So I’m a postmodern Marxist. Words you people learned from some third-rate psychology professor famous solely because he was loudly bigoted in Canada.
I hate you people. You are so stupid it’s actually painful in my toes.
But government doesn’t waste staggering amounts of money and bureaucrats aren’t useless. At least when Republicans aren’t in charge. This is just a stale article of faith for you.
You solipsistic psychopaths think government wastes everything except the money and services you personally enjoy. One cent or one service taken from that booty and you fat stupid morons cry like actual babies. Hence pathological.
Facebook? Ok boomer.
The only 'protectionist' going on is by those insisting the foreign trade sector has to be Tax-Exempt while Domestic continues to get charged at 80% and the exact same foreign shipping rates are pennies on the dollar next to next-door.
America First? Heck; I'd just be happy with America Equal.
Slade once again showing no familiarity with the arguments on the right and no understanding of the underlying concepts that they are built upon.
The Republicans and Democrats have been looting America through lucrative careers in government for themselves and their cronies for generations. The Democrats have been looting America diverting money to "the poor" while both the Republicans and Democrats have looted America by steering lucrative but questionable government contracts to their cronies in big corporations, also for decades. It's a huge scam and fraud perpetrated by power-hungry politicians - who could barely make a living practicing law - on the American people. While the current Administration is nominally Republican, they are the first to make even a show of eliminating fraud, waste and abuse, eliminating large parts of the government apparatus and reducing the number and cost of the apparatchiks in over a century. I hope they mean it and that they are massively successful. If not, this cannot be worse than what came before!
It’s unclear how Democratic politicians enrich themselves by sending safety net money to the poor, but I agree that we’re living the libertarian dream.
Watch out for planes.
So is MAGA-world is drinking fair-trade coffee now?
Is Stephanie Slade confused about who was President in August 2021? "What's more, to the extent that Trump does have persistent commitments, they have for decades run in the direction of hostility to both global integration and the rule of law. Some of the executive orders that were issued the first day—one of which reportedly stopped Afghan refugees, including family members of active-duty U.S. military personnel and people who risked their lives by assisting America against the Taliban, from boarding planes to the United States—should be a sobering reminder of that fact."