Ayn Rand in Ukrainian Crimea
What the Russian-born author would have thought of Russia's war in Ukraine

Ukrainian forces continue to pummel Russian-occupied Crimea and assassinate high-ranking war criminals on what was once their sovereign territory. Vladimir Putin, a graduate of Leningrad State University, says his seizure is a matter of historical prerogative. The "true sovereignty of Ukraine," he claims, "is possible only in partnership with Russia." Another graduate of Leningrad State University, Alisa Rosenbaum—better known by her nom de plume Ayn Rand—foresaw and condemned the philosophical underpinnings of Putin's war in Ukraine.
Rand was only 12 when she and her family fled from Petrograd to Ukrainian Crimea in 1917, during the withering nationalization campaigns of the Bolsheviks. She and her family returned in 1921 to Petrograd, where, despite the abysmal conditions brought about by civil war and collectivization, she took advantage of the Communists' liberal policy of allowing women into universities. Just before graduating, however, she was summarily purged for being excessively bourgeois—but reinstated at the behest of visiting British scientists. Personal experience, unsurprisingly, led her to abhor the injustices inflicted by collectivist ideologues. "Call it fate or irony," she later wrote, "but I was born, of all countries on earth, in the one least suitable for a fanatic of individualism, Russia."
Rand's 1964 essay collection The Virtue of Selfishness, composed amid the tensions of the Cuban missile crisis, helps illuminate the moral underpinnings of the geopolitical tensions surrounding Ukraine today.
She begins by clarifying the difference between collective and individual rights: "A group has no rights," said Rand, "and any group that does not recognize this principle is not an association, but a gang or a mob." She understood that granting "collective rights" was a trick to ensure that "rights belong to some, but not to others—that some men have the 'right' to dispose of others in any manner they please—and that the criterion of such privileged position consists of numerical superiority."
Rand introduced individual rights into the otherwise realpolitik terrain of how a nation may act on the world stage. "The amorality of [the] collectivist mystique," she said, "is particularly obvious today in the issue of national rights." A nation, she said, "like any other group, is only a number of individuals and can have no rights other than the rights of its individual citizens. A free nation—a nation that recognizes, respects and protects the individual rights of its citizens—has a right to its territorial integrity, its social system and its form of government."
Things are different for nations without those qualities. "A nation that violates the rights of its own citizens cannot claim any rights whatsoever," Rand insisted. "The right of 'the self-determination of nations' applies only to free societies or to societies seeking to establish freedom; it does not apply to dictatorships."
Not only did dictatorships lose moral standing, according to Rand, but they opened themselves to just invasion by rights-upholding nations. "Dictatorship nations," she wrote, "are outlaws." She believed any free nation "had the right to invade Nazi Germany and….the right to invade Soviet Russia, Cuba or any other slave pen." While she didn't believe it was a free nation's duty to liberate other nations at the price of self-sacrifice, she believed it was a free nation's right "when and if it so chooses."
In the context of 1960s geopolitics, that sentiment was richly controversial. The Bay of Pigs debacle (April 1961), followed by the Cuban missile crisis (October 1962), figured centrally in The Virtue of Selfishness. In retrospect, she seems to have been grappling with the implications of her logic. "The invasion of an enslaved country is morally justified," she said, "only when and if the conquerors establish a free social system….based on the recognition of individual rights." And since there was "no fully free country today, since the so-called 'Free World' consists of various 'mixed economies,' it might be asked whether every country on earth is morally open to invasion by every other."
The answer, she said definitively, was no. "There is a difference between a country that recognizes the principle of individual rights, but does not implement it fully in practice, and a country that denies and flouts it explicitly."
Rand believed that four characteristics branded a country as a dictatorship: one-party rule, executions without trial (or with a mock trial) for political offenses, the nationalization or expropriation of private property, and censorship. A country guilty of these outrages forfeits any moral prerogatives, any claim to national rights or sovereignty, and becomes an "outlaw."
In Rand's formulation, then, Putin's Russia is the living embodiment of an "enslaved country" and is open to a morally justified invasion. But no such invasion is remotely plausible. The threat of nuclear retaliation makes a conventional military invasion inconceivable. Still, as Russia continues its devastating operations in Crimea and the Donbas, it may splinter under the weight of its own injustice. Putin's "Special Military Operation" may be the final manifestation of Ivan Vovchuk's 1968 observation: "Bolshevism started building its empire by starting war against Ukraine. This empire will end its existence with a victorious war of Ukraine against Moscow."
In other words, the country Rand said was "least suitable for a fanatic of individualism" may find itself a fractured region of freedom-hungry individual republics as a result of its immoral invasion of Ukraine.
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Crimea voted to secede from the corrupt Ukrainian government after the 2014 coup deposed the man they elected president. Explain to me why a Libertarian wouldn't respect the people's right to secede from a government that ignored their vote?
Ukraine has cancelled elections, outlawed political opposition, shut down media outlets critical of their government, outlawed the Russian Orthodox religion and jailed their priests, and forcibly conscripted its own citizens into a meat grinder. Oh yeah and they're literal Nazis.
Yeah Ukraine fits Rand's definition of a dictatorship as easily as Russia does. But Reason just loves them neocons and their forever wars.
Yeah Ukraine fits Rand's definition of a dictatorship as easily as Russia does.
Nope.
It’s damn close. Please elaborate the differences.
The differences exist, but are too slight for any practical differentiation. For someone like SRG2, it's like trying to prove which of 23 deodorants is best.
Did she also foresee and support the US coordinated coup in 2014 and the Jew Zelensky employing Nazi AZOV battalions in a terrorist civil war against the pro-Russian citizens of Crimea?
Oooh, here comes the 24th deodorant, and it stinks up the place instead of clearing it.
Fuck off and die, Nazi shit.
Shrike definitely uses Lumi.
Not remotely. Putin has run a dictatorship in Russia for a generation or more, has had political opponents murdered, has committed multiple war crimes. Zelensky declared a state of emergency when Russia invaded Ukraine and according to Ukrainian law elections were suspended. And only an idiot thinks that being invaded by Russia was not a state of emergency.
But you Putinazis just have to defend your man, because Krasnov likes him.
Ha ha. Seems you forgot more than the closing italics tag. You forgot to include any actual argument. Mighty clumsy of you.
Crimea river!.
Let’s not Russian to things
Yeah, it's funny that for all the "BOAF SIDEZ" this place drums up, they can't actually seem to come to terms with the idea that "Neither one of them are people I want to associate with... and I don't have to."
Trump v. Biden is a tough choice but... [performs reluctant strategery] I choose not to vote!
Ukraine v. Russia is a tough choice
but,Ukraine!But that's _after_ Ukraine got invaded, so can't justify the invasion in the first place.
In Russia, elections pick the leader for you.
Ukraine doesn't even get elections.
It is amusing that big Z is agreeing to "step down" if they get into NATO. What a shit trade.
By making an impossible request he effectively refuses to step down without admitting it.
bingo
Crimea voted to secede from the corrupt Ukrainian government after the 2014 coup deposed the man they elected president.
Sure. 97% of the people of Crimea voted to join Russia in a referendum that violated Crimea's existing constitution and only gave people the choice to join Russia or go back to an earlier version of their constitution (1992) where it was an autonomous state associated with Ukraine, but that was was actually vague, since the constitution was modified later in 1992, so which one the people were voting on was uncertain. And, of course, this vote occurred all under the watch of Russian soldiers.
Look, if you want to spout off Russian propaganda, feel free. The U.S. is still a (mostly) free country, unlike the one you seem to prefer.
And unlike Ukraine, which you seem to be simping for.
I get it. I'm "simping" for Ukraine because I think it is horrible that a dictator with dreams of reforming the Russian/Soviet Empire invaded it, displacing millions of people and killing tens of thousands of civilians. And whatever issues it still has with corruption and restrictions on liberty, most of that can be lain at the feet of Russia turning some Ukrainian politicians into its puppets prior to 2014. (And some still are.)
And really, who thinks Zelenskyy is a dictator because their Dear Leader called him that? Who thinks that Ukraine is responsible for Russia invading it because that is what Trump says? (Or that it was our fault, because we orchestrated the "coup" in 2014, rather that Ukrainians simply being tired of the President elected in 2010 consolidating power around himself and his wealthy family, the decline of freedom since his election, and his turning against a pledge for an EU economic agreement that he cancelled in favor of a deal with Putin.)
Trump hates Ukraine because Paul Manafort convinced him in 2016 that all the hacking and such was their doing, not Russia's. You know, the guy that worked for the president and his party in Ukraine that was kicked out, and that gave Trump campaign polling data to a Russian agent.
But hey, I'm the one simping...
They follow Krasnov, and Krasnov follows Putin, so they follow Putin.
They'd have supported Hitler's invasion of Czechoslovakia and Poland if Krasnov had been around then to support it.
Here 's how JasonT20 reacts to murder of the unarmed:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Dis Sergei Oblensky's Tatar cavalry ride to her rescue?
So what? And there's an obvious inconsistency in her argument. You can't say only individuals have rights and then say free nations have rights.
Governments chosen freely by the people have the rights given by the people to them.
Which is none unless given unanimously. Did you give the Biden administration the right to send $100 billion to Ukraine and $100 billion to Swiss banks? Majority rule is just a different form of oppression; better than a dictator, but that's a low bar.
Unanimity is, if course, an impossible ideal. That’s why we have representative government empowered to act on our behalf. And different decisions require different levels of agreement, e.g. constitutional amendments vs budget items, vs appointed officials. Some of these should have the level of agreement increased, IMHO.
"Unanimity is, if course, an impossible ideal."
Which is a mystery to "Stupid".
Careful - if you continue to be rational the cultists will get all upset and call you names.
Her passage about the rights of free nations is glaringly at odds with her belief that nations are just a collection of free individuals. Given that it's unlikely more than about 2/3 of those free individuals will ever support the same foreign adventurism, let alone want to pay for it, and that less than 1% will actually have to fight those wars, it's hard to square her circle.
I'm happy to acknowledge that anybody who writes enough stuff about any topic is going to contradict herself over time. But she (and you) have to acknowledge it when it happens.
"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"
One of the the issues is sloppy language. Individuals have rights, governments and their executives have authority ("just powers").
Any article starting out with show breathless fandom is unreliable at best.
No, jackass, when her family fled. This is written as if she led her family, as if she had children and possibly a husband in the fleeing. Yes, everyone knows she was just a child. that's why you added "only 12", it's not a lie per se, but it's got a stench to it that bodes ill for any objectivity (get it? ha ha) in the rest of this screed.
Here's how that would have been written by an honest writer:
I hate writing like this. I hate writers like this.
Your version leaves open whether she was with the family when they fled together.
Gosh, it also leaves open the question of whether they were clothed and shod, how they fled, whether they brought along their pet poodle Fluffy, and whether Fluffy was dead or alive.
Here's a tip: reasonable inferences are reasonable. The construct used was redundant in the normal case. If the family had fled and left her behind, that would be the exceptional case justifying an extra clause.
This is written as if she led her family, as if she had children and possibly a husband in the fleeing.
Is that your reasonable inference for a 12-yr old girl?
That's my point; the "was only 12" was redundant, and only there to imply that she made the choice. What a precocious 12-year old!
It's bias. It's gushing fandom and doesn't belong in an objective article.
You'd do better to STFU.
I hate writers like this
Hey, the “Verhkhovna Rada medal by the Ukrainian Parliament for ‘Merit to the Ukrainian People’” doesn’t give itself away.
I'll take "Dumb things to get hung up on" for $400 Alex.
Makes your comment even dumber, doesn't it?
Not a surprise. Reason will offer no serious thoughts at all about what Trump is doing - about what Putin and Trump are doing together - about how "libertarians" will view foreign policy through a "sphere of influence" lens.
If Trump accepts that Europe is Russia's sphere of influence, will 'Canada' become one state or three? Or is he just a shitty negotiator? I'd recommend three in order to consign 'Canada' to the dustbin of history. We have to add stars to the flag anyway. Let us welcome the new fellow Americans of Labradoodle, Sorry'Eh?, and Ima Lumberjack.
Funny seeing a fake libertarian demand national spheres of influence for countries in other parts of the world.
'Fake libertarian'? You mean Trump's demand that Denmark sell Greenland to the US? That 'Canada' become a state? That the US retake the Panama Canal? That the first tariffs are targeted against Canada and Mexico? That he has threatened to invade Mexico? That he has since his inauguration also threatened Cuba and Venezuela and Colombia? That in his inaugural, he invoked Manifest Destiny and expanded territory for the US? That he has used the Monroe Doctrine to threaten both China and Russia 'attempts' to have any influence in the Americas? That Rubio's first trip abroad as Secy State was to Panama to threaten them to withdraw from China's Belt and Road Initiative? That his subsequent trips were to El Salvador, Costa Rica, DR, and Guatemala to threaten the same?
That he used a Munich Security Conference - which entitled its Conference Report - Multipolarization - to dismiss Europe as either its own pole or a pole that is an ally of the US. That overtly prefers a German political party in the current elections there that is hostile to the US, willingly subordinate to Russia, and not at all interested in spending more on military
Your ilk are so stupid.
Europe minus Russia has around 600 million people, almost double the United States and four times the population of Russia. And some of them even have nukes (albeit relatively small stockpiles).
I'm not sure why apologists like you insist that Europe can't be its own sphere of influence and carry more weight. We're not talking about some small remote island somewhere.
Europe CAN be its own sphere of influence. It is the US that resists the implication of that.
Demanding x% of GDP for everyone in NATO is a way for the US to get Europe to serve as America's poodle in places like Afghanistan, Pacific, Middle East, etc. Rather than for Europe to focus on what it might see as the threat - which is Russia. Dealing with Russia as a threat is not a % of GDP challenge. It is an absolute challenge of how to deter a pathetic kleptocratic economy with a powerful military (with nukes).
Vance lecturing Europeans on 'free speech' at a European security conference - and deliberately diminishing both Russia and China as a threat is also an attempt to subordinate Europe to the US rather than treat it as its own sphere of influence.
Further - what is going to happen if the Europeans ever grab their nutsack and take care of their own threats (see Russia)? I can see that Europe might work with CHINA as an ally against Russia. And it will absolutely use soft power as much as hard power. Whereas it appears that the US is trying to pry Russia away from China so that it can ally with Russia against China. With absolutely zero concept of what soft power even is.
Trump's US is NOT going 'isolationist' or non-interventionist. Despite what the Magamises crowd wants. Rather - we are likely to find ourselves in old imperialist (our view - prob not China's) conflict with near-peer China - with NO allies.
This Ayn Rand chick seems pretty cool.
I wonder where she would’ve fit in with today’s US Libertarian Party?
Definitely the be anti racist, trans the kids side.
Not very well, according to this:
"A free nation—a nation that recognizes, respects and protects the individual rights of its citizens—has a right to its TERRITORIAL INTEGRITY, its social system and its form of government."
"Territorial integrity" sounds an awful lot like secure borders to me.
Oh, it's secure borders, but not in the sense you're implying. It's secure borders from invasion by a foreign military.
Ayn Rand didn't write about immigration, but she was asked about it at one point, “What is your attitude toward immigration? Doesn’t open immigration have a negative effect on a country’s standard of living?”, and this was her answer:
"You don’t know my conception of self-interest. No one has the right to pursue his self-interest by law or by force, which is what you’re suggesting. You want to forbid immigration on the grounds that it lowers your standard of living — which isn’t true, though if it were true, you’d still have no right to close the borders. You’re not entitled to any “self-interest” that injures others, especially when you can’t prove that open immigration affects your self-interest. You can’t claim that anything others may do — for example, simply through competition — is against your self-interest. But above all, aren’t you dropping a personal context? How could I advocate restricting immigration when I wouldn’t be alive today if our borders had been closed?"
https://ari.aynrand.org/ayn-rand-on-immigration/
So it's pretty safe to say Ayn Rand would likely side with zero immigration controls and the likes of Ilya Somin on the question.
Depends. Given the growth in welfare which she was vehemently against, she likely would have changed her tune once the self interest harm becomes government forced instead if just competition.
You and I could quibble over whether the onslaught of the last few years constitutes a hostile invasion. But I very much appreciate the reference material, and more than that the distilling of such.
"Ukrainian forces continue to pummel Russian-occupied Crimea and assassinate high-ranking war criminals on what was once their sovereign territory."
Personally, I would love to see some actual video footage of the war, but we never get that because there are no real reporters anywhere close to the front lines.
99% of the American media coverage of this war is pure propaganda and appeals to emotion; we get basically nothing at all in the way of hard, verifiable facts on the ground.
There is plenty of drone footage of the frontlines, available online. The mainstream media is useless, but there are plenty of people doing independent journalism, and several academic groups (Institute for the Study of War is one example) verifying claims of advances, losses, and other minutiae of the war.
Wait, so how does Ayn Rand having briefly lived in the Crimea add anything to this? I thought they might find a quote from her on the idea of territorial claims, but there’s nothing.
Also, Crimea never belonged to Ukraine during the Russian Civil War. The Republic of Ukraine fought for independence, allying with the Central Powers in the still ongoing the First World War. Germany went into Crimea, cleared out the Bolshevik’s, and occupied it, without the Ukranians annexing Crimea. Crimea had also declared independence, proclaiming themselves the Crimean People’s Republic. But the Bolsheviks had control of the Black Sea Fleet, quickly captured Sevastopol, and then whole Crimea within 2 months.
That was when Germany, allied with Ukraine, took over, and then established Crimea as a client state. Eventually Germany withdrew, and a second client state was formed with troops from France and Western powers briefly occupying. Then the Bolsheviks took over, then the White Russians, then the Bolsheviks finally won the Russian Civil War. In fact, Crimea was only transferred to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1954.
In short, there was no “Ukrainian Crimea” for Ayn Rand to have lived in from 1917-1921. Her parents probably fled to a location under control by European Powers.
The lack of understanding the historical roots of the dispute over the peninsula is leading people to say a lot of very stupid things.
You might try reading the essays if the article disappoints you.
How are Russian generals 'war criminal's and why aren't ours by the same definition?
When you order the execution of surrending enemy soldiers, you're a war criminal.
When you order the execution of civilians, you're a war criminal.
When you intentionally kidnap children and disappear them into your own country to be raised as Russians, you're a war criminal.
Those alone make a decent number of Russia's ranking commanders in Ukraine war criminals.
Well, we've done 2 out of those three so . . .
Well, we've done 2 out of those three so . . .
... so Russia isn't that bad and we should leave Ukraine to be swallowed up by it? Is that you're line of thought there?
Besides, who is "we" in this case? Which war criminals among U.S. military commanders or even junior officers that did those things are currently alive and walking free? Well, aside from the ones Trump pardoned.
I mean, I fully believe the US military has committed war crimes at various points. Prosecute them, too, if the evidence lines up.
I can't think of any time we've executed surrendering enemy soldiers, though (That is, uniformed and declared soldiers. Insurgents are not soldiers - fighting as an insurgent strips you of protections). Whether any of the civilian deaths attributable to US military activities were executions is more questionable - some of them probably were, and some probably weren't, and you'd need a jury trial to figure it out.
fighting as an insurgent strips you of protections
Not entirely. That is a bit of a myth people came up with to justify Gitmo and "enhanced interrogations" and the like. It is controversial, and I don't see anything that definitively settles the question. But I am not supportive of the idea of "insurgents" or "terrorists" being stripped of human rights for three reasons: 1) it creates a gap in the protections international laws and treaties, such as the Geneva Conventions, are meant to offer. Human rights aren't human rights if they only apply to our side, and those treaties that the U.S. has ratified are clear that they protect everyone, not just the "good guys" in a conflict. 2) The gap encourages disingenuous arguments by bad actors that someone is an "insurgent", "terrorist", or otherwise an unlawful combatant just so that they don't have to treat them like human beings. 3) As a moral matter, it is absolutely wrong to kill someone not an immediate threat to you or others. We call that murder, except, perhaps, for civilians killed in the heat of battle in conditions that lead us to apply euphemisms like "collateral damage". Anyone, once they surrender and are not trying to escape, "lawful" combatant or not, has a right not to be tortured, maimed, threatened, or even treated with indignity (see the Abu Ghraib incident for what that means).
An "unlawful combatant" means one not in uniform and that doesn't follow a defined chain of command, among other things. "Insurgents" could be unlawful or not, depending on whether they meet other criteria. Besides, if the U.S. was invaded, any U.S. citizens that fought the invaders out of uniform while in territory occupied by the invaders could be called unlawful insurgents by the invaders, but would we want them to be denied human rights as POWs if captured?
>She believed any free nation "had the right to invade..."
But nations have no rights. She said so.
Consistency and lubbertarians -- not gonna happen.
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Who knows what she would have thought? In 1970s, she said the Libertarian Party was nothing but filthy hippies, yet most of the folks I saw at Party conventions were dressed in blue blazers, ties, and looked pretty normal.
Letting countries invade others they call "unfree" is like letting people murder others they call bad. It's vigilante "justice", aka anarchy. Rand would justify invading Iraq to remove Saddam, and look what that led to. The U.N. Charter's basic rejection of non-defensive war is the only sane framework. It's not always obeyed (see Iraq) and it prevents some righteous wars, but on balance it's the least bad option.
Basically, Rand says that any nation that doesn't conform to her desired form is fair game for any nation that does.
Cool.
Putin feels the same.
That is a nice formulation.
Also, if there are no collective rights, then how do nations have rights?
Rand was wrong about quite a few things. Most philosophers have been. What distinguishes good philosophers from bad ones is that their explorations of the logical limits of their thought experiments and strength of each of the steps from their premises to their conclusions makes the rest of us think about the implications for us in the real world. If their premises are false or there are weaknesses in the steps, the exposition can still be useful in making us think about why we reject their conclusions and prefer other philosophical treatises. In this particular case I concur right up to the final step where she says that the difference between the INTENT of some nations and the INTENT of others justifies the invasion of worse states by better ones according to her criteria. It just does not hold up. I prefer the non-aggression principle for both individuals and the groups of individuals we call nations - i.e. even a dictatorship has the right to defend itself against unprovoked invasion just as each of the individuals in every nation has the right to self-defense whether or not the government recognizes that right in principle or in fact. This minimizes the logical contradictions that Rand generated here.
Off topic, but I can guarantee with near certainty that Rand would have hated everything about what this site is in 2010-2025. She already hated libertarians in her time ("objectivists without teeth") - if she saw what authoritarian lapdogs and special interest enablers you've all become now, she might even openly advocate for your public execution.
Just saying. If you're going to insist on talking about Rand.
You have long lost any authority or claim to "What would Rand say..." type articles.
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