The Progressive Betrayal of Trans Americans
How well-intentioned laws created new cultural conflicts—and eroded personal liberty

Transgender Americans like me are trapped in a grim paradox. Our progressive champions may have introduced notions of "birthing persons" to corporate America, but they have done little to safeguard our fundamental right to bodily autonomy. As legislative threats from Republicans escalate, those same progressive champions stand to benefit, undeservedly, from a style of civil rights advocacy that unwittingly takes hostage a minority group that feels increasingly desperate for protection.
A Long History of Changing Bodies
In 1952, African Americans faced Jim Crow, doctors labeled same-sex attraction a mental disorder, and homosexuality was criminalized in nearly every state. Yet in that same year, a New York Daily News headline proudly heralded, "Ex-GI Becomes Blonde Beauty: Bronx Youth is a Happy Woman After 2 Years, 6 Operations."

The blonde beauty was Christine Jorgensen, and much of the media coverage of her was surprisingly positive. A Chicago Daily Tribune article from the same year, "Parents Praise Bravery," included quotes from Jorgensen's father, who declared his daughter deserving of "an award higher than the Congressional Medal of Honor" for volunteering to undergo "guinea pig treatment."
Jorgensen also faced intense scrutiny, but the criticism often lacked a coherent narrative. One article chided her apparent inability to distinguish between mink fur and nutria fur, while Time implied she might have transitioned for fame rather than a genuine femininity.
Seven decades later, a great deal of progress has been made. A 2022 Pew Research poll found that only 10 percent of Americans oppose protecting transgender people from discrimination—protections that have been enshrined in law by the highest court of the land. Operations like Jorgensen's are no longer at the forefront of medical technology. With the rise of extreme body modification, they're not even the most radical kind of personal presentation Americans might encounter.
In my hometown of Austin, Texas, Eric "Lizardman" Sprague proudly displays bright green skin, subdermal implants, and a forked tongue. The Guinness World Records publishes articles on people like Eric, and many Americans enjoy popular reality TV shows like "Botched," which depict extreme cosmetic transformations.
One might think that in an era of unprecedented tolerance and body modification, transgender people would be the least of anyone's concerns. But turn on the TV and you will find little discussion of the Lizardman or worries of a rhinoplasty craze sweeping our youth. Instead, the 2024 legislative session saw more than 500 anti-LGBT bills introduced nationwide, with a significant portion targeting transgender individuals.
Now, only a month into Donald Trump's second presidency, a series of executive orders has made it clear the issue is one of Trump's top priorities. How did we get here?
The Cost of Mandated Inclusivity
The society Christine transitioned in was one still reeling from the horrors of World War II. While Nazi officers stood trial at Nuremburg, the Allied powers faced a trial of their own: If the deeply held values of the old world had led to this, what use were those values?
The cool-headed rationalism promised by the League of Nations had failed. Nationalism marched with Germany into Poland and imperialism sailed with Japan into Nanjing. Even science could be regarded with suspicion. Once the providence of Western optimism and world fairs, it had bathed the empire of the rising sun in atomic hellfire and left hundreds of thousands of civilians dead in its wake.
What values could justify such destruction of the old world and the creation of the new? Americans found a powerful answer to that question in civil rights.
The same year Christine Jorgensen transitioned, a Superman poster illustrated this emerging idea of American duty: "To talk against someone because of his religion, race, or national origin is
That's a compelling message, made all the more compelling when Superman is thwarting the creation of a death ray.
But when legislators take on the responsibility of regulating discrimination out of existence, real life has a tendency to present challenges rarely covered in the pages of Action Comics.
What constitutes discrimination? How should laws against discrimination be enforced? What is an appropriate punishment for having discriminated against someone?
Is that un-American if someone uses "he" or "him" to describe me? What if someone calls me a "tranny"? What if someone calls me a tranny and I'm OK with it? Faced with questions like these, it's not surprising that an often flawed government might fail to regulate effectively. As an adult, I feel I should have the right to negotiate my own boundaries for what's appropriate. The government disagrees.
As civil rights laws have evolved, the government has created a set of regulatory standards for what is and is not discrimination. Because it is impossible for Congress to anticipate every potential scenario in which discrimination may take place, questions like the ones posed above are decided by the courts.
Discrimination lawsuits can present a significant cost to businesses. Fee-shifting provisions, like those found in Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Americans with Disabilities Act, and the Fair Housing Act, allow courts to award attorneys' fees to the "prevailing party," often the plaintiff, if that person succeeds in proving discrimination. These practices make losing a discrimination case particularly costly.
Businesses have responded by taking every step possible to guard against accusations of discrimination. This rational response, however, has created an unintended arms race.
Guidelines established by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission in conjunction with the Uniform Guidelines on Employee Selection Procedures (codified in the 1991 Civil Rights Act) have created a legal framework in which failure to adopt "best practices" heightens the risk of liability.
If businesses begin to adopt an expansive set of diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) programs, that decision can become one piece of a broader best practice and, therefore, instrumental in protecting against liability. United States Steel boasts of its commitment to "fostering diverse, inclusive and equitable workplaces." This kind of language is universal among large U.S. firms—not because employees of tech companies in San Francisco and steel mills in Gary, Indiana, share social preferences, but because both companies exist downstream from the same federal standards.

This arrangement has put the bureaucrats who design DEI programs in charge of regulating social norms at work, at school, and in government.
If a transgender man works at United States Steel, my guess is that he's capable of handling a few jabs on the job. In fact, my guess is that he's one hard-nosed son of a bitch, like the other hard-nosed sons of bitches he works with, and that it might not help him integrate at work if everyone is walking on eggshells around him.
Then again, maybe he likes the DEI programs offered at his workplace. Many employees appreciate strong protections and identity affinity groups. There's a genuine business argument to be made that such programs can be used as a tool to recruit and retain talent from minority groups.
But in such cases, putting regulatory force behind them is all the more absurd. Rather than allow employees to self-select into employers that match their preferences, our laws encourage the adoption of a single, universal, hyper-progressive option.
There's no doubt this option works for many transgender—and non-transgender—people in San Francisco and New York. But for those of us who live in red states, introducing neologisms and radically restructuring what is appropriate speech have only inflamed cultural tensions.
Progressive activists' ability to push their most unpopular opinions into every area of American life that is regulated by civil rights law has failed to deliver us the kinds of protections that matter, while also making the political right—and generally apolitical voters who might be drawn to the right—more hostile toward us.
Putting Freedom Back at the Center
What matters most to me and millions of other transgender people is much more fundamental than linguistic minutiae. It's freedom.
I should have the freedom to wear the clothes I want to wear and I should have the freedom to pursue cosmetic changes to my body. But that freedom goes both ways. You should be free to not care, not date me, not call me a woman, and not pay for my hormones or surgeries.
Cases like the "Lizardman" suggest that Americans are broadly open to even radical free expression. But many of the central transgender issues of today—public restrooms, sports participation, metaphysical questions about womanhood—require society to do more than just leave transgender people alone.
They are about what transgender people are entitled to. Does our society have an obligation to protect transgender people from being misgendered in the workplace? Does it have an obligation to provide transgender women access to their preferred restrooms and sports teams?
Among these issues, Americans remain divided. Despite finding only 10 percent who oppose protecting transgender people from discrimination, the same Pew data show Americans divided on the questions posed above: 41 percent believe transgender people should use bathrooms that match their biological sex, and 58 percent believe trans athletes should compete on teams that match their biological sex. Only 27 percent of Americans (and a minority of Democrats) believe health insurance companies should be required to cover gender transitions.
Moreover, while Americans are broadly in favor of bodily autonomy for adults, most agree that we have a social responsibility to protect children from decisions they may come to regret. And on the question of whether that means preventing minors from transitioning, Americans are also divided: 46 percent believe such transitions should be illegal.
These disagreements speak to fundamental philosophical values that can't be ignored. Americans ought to have a great deal of freedom to negotiate the answers to these questions for themselves. The current interpretation of civil rights law makes that impossible, instead putting activists in charge of regulating social norms.
The Trump administration made a major stride forward by repealing Executive Order 11246, which required the government to engage in affirmative action. But other executive orders leave much to be desired, indicating Republicans have more interest in instituting their own regulations than in freedom.
Thus far, the Trump administration has focused on withholding government funding. Executive Order 14187, "Protecting Children from Chemical and Surgical Mutilation," restricts federal funding to medical institutions providing gender-affirming care to individuals under 19, including treatments like puberty blockers and hormone therapies. Meanwhile, Executive Order 14201 bans transgender women and girls from participating in female sports teams at educational institutions, threatening to withhold federal funding from schools that do not comply.
I would normally argue that no sports team, educational institution, or medical provider is entitled to government money. But just as civil rights law makes a more laissez-faire approach to speech in the workplace prohibitively costly, the extent of government involvement in sports, education, and medicine makes genuine competition between private organizations with differing views unlikely.
We must defend freedom on two fronts. First, the arms race for progressive workplace regulation has to end, and that begins with scaling back fee-shifting and the informal and formal regulations on best practices. Second, our government must be held to its constitutional commitment not to infringe on personal liberties.
If a company wants to mandate respectful pronoun use and gender-neutral bathrooms, then it should have that freedom. If a sports league wants to let transgender athletes compete with athletes of the opposite sex, then it should have that freedom. And if a hard-nosed son of a bitch working at a steel mill in Indiana is OK with being jokingly called a "tranny," then goddammit—he should have that freedom.
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True libertarians hate trannies.
The alphabet sex cult and sociopaths gaslighting gay kids into getting castrated? Yes.
You're such a freak, Sarkles. You'd argue for the holocaust if you thought it would troll Jesse.
Other than fellow worshipers of the gameshow host in chief, is there anyone you don't hate?
You decry others for attacking you, then you pull this bullshit.
He’s a mutant who undoubtedly hates himself.
"is there anyone you don't hate?
Outside of child castration fetishists like Jeff and pedos like Buttplug I don't hate anyone here.
And I think trannies are just fine as long as they leave the kids alone. You want to join the alphabet sex cult and make how you fuck your identity?
Go ahead.
Just don't involve children, Sarcasmic.
Trannies deserve our pity, for they are so mentally gone they live under a painful delusion that breaks their world and mind.
People pushing tranny shit on kids deserve the lamp post
No, we just hate you.
Well, that escalated quickly. And I loved it.
It's only natural for liars to hate truthtellers.
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/catches breath
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You, Sarc the fucking hypocritical liar calls himself a truthteller.
BWAHAHAHAHA….
Yep, definitely messiah complex.
Cite any truth you've ever said.
I mean you compared fired employees to raoe victims yesterday lol.
"It's only natural for liars to hate truthtellers."
Sarcasmic's statement is absolutely correct.
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Mother’s Lament is the worst human being I’ve ever been unfortunate enough to communicate with in my entire life. I wouldn’t piss on his face if his teeth were on fire. So I really don’t care what he supports.
https://reason.com/2022/12/30/new-york-city-mayor-eric-adams-wants-you-to-love-big-brother/?comments=true#comment-9855824
EbHS, +1. 🙂
True libertarians don't believe in special rules and laws for different groups of people. The government has no business in pushing any one particular lifestyle over another or telling people what they should accept and tolerate. Especially in government run schools to children. Transgender libertarians should say the samething as all libertarians when it comes to government involvement in an adult's lifestyle choices; fuck off slaver.
But chase advocated for protected classes and special rights... oh. Your assertion checks out.
Right. No special rights means no federal funding for transgender "medicine" or procedures. It means no special rights, period, just the same old boring human rights.
^THIS +10000000
Course; [WE] Identify-as gang building is what Democrats 'democracy' is all about.
You're so not a Democrat. Just use all their virtue signaling and strawman. Lol.
Beyond erasing women as a distinct and definable thing, what purpose does introducing the phrase "birthing person" other than creating conflicts? With the attitude that such things are good, why should I engage with the rest of your self-serving delusions about the world?
That's where I stopped reading. Anyone who brags about "Our progressive champions may have introduced notions of "birthing persons" to corporate America" is delusional.
There are only two sexes, and English only has three genders, if you include neuter. I don't care if you castrate yourself as an adult, but when you brag about being part of the gender mutilation industry and "birthing persons", you are part of the problem and the rest of your screen is useless.
You hate the correct people, so that's good. All you need to do is publicly denounce economics as leftist and the Trump defenders will welcome you into the fold.
Are you fucked in the head or something? Or have you hung around Jeffy too long?
SGT was being critical of the article and the writer’s beliefs, and you jump to claiming he hates the right people.
He's butt hurt in the fourth degree because he thinks the world is divided black and white, therefore because Jesse and I have some differences, I should be on sarc's side.
Every day, I manage to be surprised by people who completely misread articles.
Mostly it's the Reason commenters.
You're the one who is misreading. You're supposed to approach every article in bad faith, assuming that the author is a left-handed leftist who defends Democrats and hates Trump. You then ignore anything that doesn't support your prejudices, and if there isn't anything to support them you make it up. Finally you declare the author to be a leftist left-handed leftist progressive Democrat leftist Marxist leftist with TDS, say something in support of Trump, put on a smug smile, and enjoy your victory.
Did you get a massive deal on straw this morning or something?
He is in the third stage of cope. Crying and lashing out.
Every day, I am not surprised to find that people who claim I am an ignorant slut refuse to say how or where I have misspoken.
Please, finish your comment, unless you want to admit your comment is worthless.
ETA: You didn't read my comment either, where I said I stopped reading. You're just a twofer liar.
Every day, my opinion of you goes down another notch as you bend over backwards to gain the approval of people who are so full of hate that they'd be in orbit around Jupiter if the stuff made a person float.
Listen, all you have to do is denounce economics as leftist. Once you do that they'll all love you. But until then they all secretly loath you for not being a protectionist mercantilist tariff defender like them.
Every day, Sarc, my opinion of you goes down another notch, and you’re in double digit negative territory, buddy. Those folks aren’t the ones full of hate. For that, you need a mirror. The only common denominator is you, dudette.
How is it not already rock bottom?
This might come as a shock, but most of us aren’t forming our opinions to gain anyone here’s approval.
Yeah, that revealed rather a lot. If that is their opening salvo for their argument I don't have any interest.
I should have the freedom to wear the clothes I want to wear and I should have the freedom to pursue cosmetic changes to my body. But that freedom goes both ways. You should be free to not care, not date me, not call me a woman, and not pay for my hormones or surgeries.
If that is the point here, then I don't even know what we're talking about anymore. Has anyone suggested that people don't have the right to do those things to themselves? It's certainly true that people increasingly don't have the right to push back on the trans cult. If demanding society indulge their delusion isn't the point of all their rabble rousing, then what is?
I like to bring up transracial as a thing that's beyond the pale still, which is remarkable since two men of differing races are far more similar than a man is to a woman yet it remains outside the Overton window. Curious, that.
If that is the point here, then I don't even know what we're talking about anymore. Has anyone suggested that people don't have the right to do those things to themselves
I don't think she's trying to convince you or people like you. She's trying to convince the woke that their activism is counter productive.
You can't reason someone out of a position they did not reason themselves into.
But Reason, nor its commenters, are progressives…
That's where I stopped reading.
I think you'd find it worth reading. I think her point there was that activists didn't attain anything useful, but only managed to annoy normies.
The irony is palpable given that you have modified your language to refer to a man as a woman in this very comment.
Or perhaps not. I made an assumption there, but doing a bit of research this may actually be a woman arguing on behalf of trans people which is it's own flavor of irony. I can't really be sure either way though since nobody talks about trans people in a sane way, least of all themselves.
It does remind me of an old Calvin and Hobbes strip where Calvin proclaims 'language can be a total impediment to understanding' though.
Yes, please leave the language policing to the left because we don't have any options that doesn't upset somebody.
"He" sure the hell doesn't fit and I don't call any individual "they." So I land on "she."
After doing a little more digging it is in fact a male, so stating it had no effect in a statement that showcases the effect is as amusing as I originally thought.
I figured it was tremendously unlikely that a natural born woman would have much cause to recognize men as women for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is the blatant misogyny and false equivalence.
Natural born women tend to be go along to get along types though, so I had to at least entertain the possibility that someone was advocating for their own revocation of sex based social privileges. After all, there are probably some few feminists out there that think that beating your wife isn't a special circumstance or that assumption of child custody shouldn't default to the mother. If they do exist, they have been pushed just outside of the Overton window these days.
I guess I'm the odd one out for thinking Taf being a conservative transgender whatever arguing "that freedom goes both ways. You should be free to not care, not date me, not call me a woman, and not pay for my hormones or surgeries." is worthy of respect.
Where have I indicated they are not worthy of basic human respect?
Simply noting that it's a man should not fall into the realm of 'disrespect', nor is pointing out the clear and obvious logical disconnect between 'the trans lobby has no effect' while calling a man a woman.
Would you have called a man a woman 30 years ago, and meant it? I can't believe that you would have.
Where have I indicated they are not worthy of basic human respect
That's not what I meant. I wasn't meaning to single you out either. You're in the comfortable majority here.
Would you have called a man a woman 30 years ago, and meant it? I can't believe that you would have
Sure I would. I wouldn't have known she was born male if she didn't say so. I don't need a DNA test result to choose pronouns. If someone looks like a woman, I use feminine pronouns when referring to them. Taf is post surgery and fully feminized. Calling her "he" takes conscious effort and is only for virtue signalling just as much as people that would say "they."
Sure I would. I wouldn't have known she was born male if she didn't say so.
Most trans people can not and will not pass as the gender they claim. That type of transition costs big money, usually requires they start super young (before the age of consent, even), and even then is no guarantee. We're talking dozens of surgeries and a lifetime medication regime. If you have any experience with medical, we're talking easily hundreds of thousands of dollars without insurance. If you ever wonder why medical is a specific locus of this nonsense, that is why.
The author can pass well enough, which is why they get a microphone in this space. You never see a trans person that cannot pass as a spokesperson or activist for a reason, they are uncanny valley and yet make up the biggest part of that group.
I've seen no shit 300lbs men crunched into a babydoll dress with a full beard, and that is a more honest reading of the typical trans individual in the M2F space. This is most likely because either they were too old to 'properly transition' or simply don't have a quarter of a million dollars laying around to coddle their delusions.
Perhaps this is why so many want to be influencers or go into porn, it's relatively easy money to fund their ongoing medical issues.
Yeah. I agree with all this. Most trannies aren't pulling it off (no pun intended) and nowhere near as reasonable politically or socially as this author. That last point is the primary reason I stepped in to defend her.
And if a trannie has a beard I go with "he."
And if a trannie has a beard I go with "he."
Yikes. Mask slip or just failed attempt at humor?
I meant that if someone looks masculine, I use male pronouns to refer to them.
I expected as much just from the headline. But when the article starts out with nonsense as a sop to the woke, then it's not for me.
They lost me long ago when they decided it was my social duty to remember special pronouns which are at odds with ordinary usage. I have enough trouble remembering names of co-workers. When someone has a full beard and gets offended at being misgendered, my respect for their intelligence and their attitude towards freedom takes a nose dive. Tell me that "birthing persons" is anything meaningful and I write them off as control freaks to avoid. Pass laws making it illegal for teachers to tell parents how they have brainwashed their kids, then pass laws making it child abuse to not use those brainwashed pronouns, and they become enemies in every way.
If this man expects normies like me to pay him any heed, he can damn well change his attitude and pay the vast majority some heed.
If this man expects normies like me to pay him any heed, he can damn well change his attitude and pay the vast majority some heed.
That's the point of the article.
I skimmed it.
* Starting with that "birthing persons" nonsense still means it's not for me. If the author actually meant this for the woke crowd who have betrayed him, he should preach to them, not libertarians.
* It's full of language about laws protecting transgenders. That's not libertarian. Laws should protect everybody, not just flavor of the day. The whole concepts of protected classes and affirmative action are racist, ableist, ageist, ist ist ist, all singling out everybody except the majority. I'm tired of everybody else being able to sue for discrimination except the majority. I'm tired of being the deep pockets every welfare bum depends on, the culprit every lawyer turns to, and the target of every frigging politician looking for a new law to lay blame and fish for a few more votes.
When Reason starts publishing articles with a libertarian, individualist, leave-me-alone slant, I'll start donating to them again. As long as articles accept the system as basically functional and only needing a few pragmatic tweaks, I'll disparage them. This is supposed to be libertarian, with an ideological slant unavailable elsewhere. Without that, these articles are a dime a dozen. Substack is full of them.
Well I guess we saw very different words between the lines, but I appreciate that you gave it a 2nd look.
I'm sure you meant "his."
I use language to convey ideas, not to virtue signal.
Birthing person
The author is using that as a derision against progressives. That they are too concerned with pronouns and words instead of fighting for what matters. The article does fail though to explain what their true champions of trans want from government and society; other than for adults to be left alone to their own to make their own decisions (which I can get behind).
I don't read the beginning in that way, but it's also possible that it's just poorly written.
I interpret it as a 'they did this one good thing, but didn't follow it up hard enough'.
No. Taf's whole deal is being a conservative trans person opposed to the progressive trans movement.
Then they are a poor writer.
Transgender Americans like me are trapped in a grim paradox. Our progressive champions may have introduced notions of "birthing persons" to corporate America, but they have done little to safeguard our fundamental right to bodily autonomy. As legislative threats from Republicans escalate, those same progressive champions stand to benefit, undeservedly, from a style of civil rights advocacy that unwittingly takes hostage a minority group that feels increasingly desperate for protection.
They refer to them as 'progressive champions' twice in one paragraph, and if it's intended to be snarky (which is possible) it's done poorly enough to invoke Poe's Law.
Fair enough.
If you take the time to read the article, you’ll find you and the author agree with a lot of including the counter productivity of pushing terms like “birthing parents”.
Male and female have nothing to do with the presence or absence of a cock, tits, or pussy.
why do people refuse to accept that?
A uterus is just a state of mind.
Ya, except for in 99.999999% of cases
So, they are ONLY about feelings? That it?
Ya, the presence of tits/pussy totes is irrelevant to the concept of gender, and thats why its of vital importance to mutilate kids to match up with the gender they think they are, because you know, those parts dont matter at all or something
True. Cutting off your cock and growing tits doesn't make you a woman.
You have it backwards. Attacking trans rights makes you a massive asshole.
No, demanding tolerance and respect while providing none (trannies are, EASILY, the most narcissistic group on Earth) makes one an asshole. And trying to sentence children to a horrifying life because YOUR life sucks also makes you an asshole.
MollyGodiva does not specify which rights are being attacked.
They don't demand tollarance. They demand praise, and for people to agree with their delusions and a firm them. Then they say violence from them is justified if you don't go along with their insanity.
Trannies are truly mentally disturbed.
Don't get me wrong though I do like approximately 45% of them
More than vegans? How about vegan trannies?
Ever wonder who the vegans are?
No, wait 30 seconds and they'll tell you.
Fuck. That’s all we need for peak narcissism, a vegan bicycling mtf trannie.
That’s all we need for peak narcissism, a vegan bicycling mtf trannie teacher.
Vegan gluten free bicycling mtf trannie teacher.
"...Attacking trans rights makes you a massive asshole..."
As does being a lying pile of lefty shit, massive asshole.
Because it's not true?
I love people like Z Crazy who just parachute into comments and make these statements as if they are just obviously, universally, true.
Some Gender-Studies professor in Washington State declared that Gender has nothing to do with Sex, and all of a sudden we have reached epistemological closure. "That's it folks, Xebanon Moondew has written their paper and PUBLISHED it in the peer reviewed Gender Studies America, so we can all rest assured that gender has finally been defined."
So, erm, fuck you activists. Gender has always been heavily determined by biological sex (not your 'assigned sex', but rather your chromosome makeup). The notion that this isn't a major determinant of your gender is wishful thinking that flies in the face of thousands of years of civilization. Sure, there are exceptions. But not "20 girls in a class of 40 just decided to swap genders" exceptions.
I thought Z Crazy, due to his past comment history, was being snarky about the article.
Yeah, that was my read, too, but in fairness sarc meters have really been having to work overtime the last couple of years.
"Xebanon Moondew"
Well done.
The notion that this isn't a major determinant of your gender is wishful thinking that flies in the face of
thousandsmillions of years ofcivilizationevolution.FTFY
Billions of years, sexual reproduction first appears about 2 billion years ago. Differentiating sexes appeared soon after.
Gender has always been heavily determined by biological sex
Oh, so not identical to biological sex then? Thank you for conceding the point.
Furthermore, it has also been the case that, up until relatively recently, women were considered inferior to men. So out of the past thousands and thousands of years of human existence, how much of that gender expression by both sexes was determined by biology, and how much was determined by sociology?
Given that humanoids, and all other species, have deceived themselves with gender constructs way before the first womens' studies degrees, I am pretty sure biology rules.
And no matter how many people think not, the two human sexes/genders have innate superiority and inferiority factors.
Expression/roles =/= Gender, no matter how much you want to conflate the two.
The trans movement was betrayed by no one but themselves.
When it went beyond :
"We want to be left alone and treated equal"
to
"We want to be included in women's only spaces, and force you to admit that our opinion/delusion is YOUR reality, and we want to be able to teach this to confused kids, and we want to be able to give harmful drugs to said confused kids"
They jumped the fucking shark 10 times over, and lost the sympathy of every normie in the country.
A super majority of approaching 80% are against most of the tranny shit. Its hard to get that much agreement on anything. Theres a reason for it
The trans movement was betrayed by no one but themselves.
When it went beyond : I am the "gender" I was born with.
Imagine for a moment that, in Kafka's Metamorphosis, the whole thing is a metaphor and the 'protagonist' isn't actually a "monstrous vermin" he has just, for whatever reason, decided to project himself as such. In this conception the one that doesn't require or invoke supernatural power or exceptional mental gymnastics or empathy, at the point where Gregor wakes up perceiving himself as a cockroach, he and he alone has sealed his own fate just as much as any other human chooses (or not) to seal their own. The only distinction being that the former clothier is valued by the people around him, even if only for his ability to provide a paycheck, whereas the vermin should even by his own precepts and to the benefit of everyone involved, be exterminated.
It's like the zombie movies where there is no conception of a cure but some characters somewhere have loved ones locked in a/the basement or barn or garage holding out hope. Except, in this case, the loved ones choose to zombify themselves (and pretend it isn't a choice).
In fairness I think it's more a case of Democrats who saw the end of the Civil Rights Era coming and had nothing to follow it up with and who got gay marriage a lot faster than they were anticipating went to the trans folks who were saying "We want to be left alone and treated equal" and said "We want you to be included in women's only spaces, and force people to admit that your opinion/delusion is reality, and we want to be able to teach this to confused kids, and we want to be able to give harmful drugs to said confused kids so that when people say 'no' we can call them bigots. Is this leading to rising resentment and violence against you? Great! That proves our enemies are bigots!"
Good points. The claim of discrimination is just too useful a cudgel to relinquish that easily.
That's because you're either ignorant or a dishonest, revisionist shitbag. It's plainly documented in print and on the internet, the 'T' has been right there in the middle of the LGBTQIA since before Stonewall, before there even was an "LGBT Community". The Street Transvestite Action Revolutionaries and Hedesthia were right there along side the Gay Liberation Front.
*If*, despite all the oxymoronic stupidity woven into the idea, the Democrats "infiltrated" a nonexistent transgender non-activist "community", there's no reason that isn't even more oxymoronically idiotic to assume they didn't to the same with the gay community simply convincing some of the homosexuals that they were oppressed trannies different than the oppressed homosexuals in the era after both J. Edgar Hoover and Roy Cohn. Like saying the Nazis invented Czechoslovakia out of a bunch of people living in the countryside who just wanted to be left alone. The Nazis absolutely were politically manipulative and self-orientedly revisionist, but the idea that Czechoslovakia didn't exist or that none of the former Austria-Hungarians in Czechoslovakia weren't overwhelmingly sympathetic with Nazi sentiment is just as dishonestly revisionist.
The LGBTQIA+ vote was overwhelmingly pro-Harris. More than any other demographic except maybe black women. Unless you rely on completely unprovable, non-scientific/falsifiable speculation like "The majority of gays and lesbians are closeted and were really closer to an even split.", the LGB community, the T community, and the DNC are more interchangeable or hand-in-glove with each other than any demographic in the last 60 yrs.
The civil rights era showed neurotic attention whore activists that they could use guilt and victimization to bludgeon their opposition and they just stacked up the alleged victims, no matter how tenuous, tied them all together and went to hacking away. Taj himself sums it up:
In 1952, African Americans faced Jim Crow, doctors labeled same-sex attraction a mental disorder, and homosexuality was criminalized in nearly every state.
African American is as relevant to being gay as being right-handed or blue-eyed or lactose intolerant, but that doesn't or didn't stop any of them from tying Jim Crow to homosexuality to transgenderism/autogynophilia.
My God, you are such an idiot.
^THIS +10000000000 Well Said.
Trans American would be a good name for an airline. Or an oil pipeline. If only it were so.
Trans American would be a good name for an airline.
Looks like i picked the wrong week to stop smoking.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue!
It's never the wrong time to use an Airplane! quote.
Transgender Americans like me are trapped in a grim paradox.
The pouring of gasoline and shoveling of Koch money onto this dumpster fire really is a spectacle to behold.
A "long history" doesn't make anything right. In fact, there are some things where a long history is even more reprehensible. You can call yourself anything you like, but your genes are your genes.
There was a long history of leaches, lobotomies, slavery, and child fucking all throughout human history too
Slavery has a long history.
One of my personal favorites that I'm sure I've trotted out before:
SEAN MURPHY: We know a lot about sociology now. Why crime exists. And we know that punching back doesn't make sense. Like in the '40s, that comic mostly made sense. But we know now that doesn't work. So what would Gotham be if it was a real city?
JAMES TYNION IV: So I guess we should retire the police department altogether? [LAUGHTER]
HENRY FAULKNER: [Referring to Murphy] This is a great question. As we've come to know more sociologically, psychologically, what challenge does that create for you as writers?
FRANK MILLER: Excuse me, excuse me. You're mistaking whatever the current trend in thought is for knowing more. Sometimes people are wrong for millennia. You know, during the Spanish Inquisition, they thought they were doing the right thing.
We've been through whole eras of (elite) adults castrating or even just raping children for the intellectual space their singing voices generate or so they can watch after their harem without fear of children or whatever. The entire LGBTQIA+ movement is every inch a vice masquerading as current-fashion moral rectitude. Dave Chappelle has called it out, numerous others as well. It's one thing for someone to say, "I struggle with heroin." or "I'm sexually aroused by the oblong space made by a person's feet when they hold them together." it's an entirely different thing to say "Maybe a steel mill making space for heroin addicts and foot fetishists... of their own free will (wink, wink)... is actually a good thing for society."
Since "the right thing" is a function of our thinking, if you think you're doing the right thing, you are. That's not a matter of fact, only opinion.
That is one really twisted thought.
The trouble is that "right" can be meant either morally or factually. Since morals are a human construct, long history does indeed make them likelier. Doesn't change facts, though.
Morals are not a human construct. Even animals can have a conscience. Perhaps there's some objectivity to all this, hmm?
The most that can be said about the societal engendering of morals is that they're a spontaneous order, like language. There's no language that's "correct". Within a given, established language there are correct and incorrect forms, but that's just a matter of consistency, as in mathematics.
What's Reddit doing here?
Reason wasn't going far enough Left fast enough for ENB? Fuck this noise.
Didn't you even read the title of the article?
This article could have been condensed into two paragraphs:
Then we need an entirely different article on the NAZIistic, mass-sterilization of children that's going on.
It’s entirely waffling and almost afraid to just openly call for the freedom to be left alone. We’ve known for decades, now, that the progressive movement likes weaponizing marginalized groups as a cudgel to score points in the culture war. Maybe
groups as a cudgel to score points in the culture war.
And then JD Vance has to "take it to Europe" maaan.
Disagree. The latter paragraph specifically dovetails into the 'entirely different article'.
The cosplaying hard-nosed son of a bitch in an Indiana steel mill didn't convince management that what the steel mill really needed was a man with a vagina to roll steel. The hard-nosed son of a bitch off-loaded personal responsibility and dishonestly exploited civil rights law and other peoples' stupidity to force the steel mill into compliance, openly bragging about it along the way... right up until the point where an even more stupid "hard-nosed son of a bitch" steamrolled a local librarian into supporting their effort to sexualize children.
When the foreman at the steel mill can spit on the ground when smaller women apply and calls everyone in his all-male crew by female pronouns, that's when hard-nosed sons of bitches roll steel. When corporate mandates respectful pronoun usage, any hard-nosed sons of bitches have long since retired if not been put in the ground.
You should realize you’re basically calling for the repeal of Title IX by saying this. Which is fine, if you want to call for that-it’s very problematic. But it did put the government in the business of regulating women’s sports and programs at every institution, and consequentially, the government then has to determine what a woman is.
Women are essentially allowed to try out for the football team at most colleges. There have been a few women placekickers, mostly at smaller colleges. But men are prohibited by law from joining the women’s soccer team or the women’s volleyball team. It creates a competitive disadvantage, and ruins the purpose of creating places where women can compete against each other. As long as Title IX exists, the government will be required to gatekeep men away from women’s places.
So if you’re calling for repeal of Title IX, it’s probably best to just put that out front. Be direct about it, don’t make me infer it. It’s clear, it’s straightforward, it’s actionable, and doesn't muddy up the issue by adding excessive caveats.
There's a sub paragraph that needs to be added about what is a "sports league". If it's a private sports league, fine. But I also believe that women... actual women (yes, I said it because there is such a thing) have a right to sue said "sports leagues" over sexual discrimination. Oh what a tangled web we weave when we choose to believe in lies.
The author had earlier talked about institutions receiving federal funding. Those are the only ones that will be subject to federal regulation, and the method of enforcing that is the denial of federal funds. It was clear that she’s talking about letting different colleges determine their own standards.
There are already some mixed sports organizations where men and women compete against each other. They tend to be small, independent operations. Nobody is getting into arguments about them. Women willingly are signing up to compete against men in addition to other women. There’s never going to an issue with transgender athletes in those leagues because they don’t care about gender. They’re also useless to progressives because they can’t be a wedge issue in a culture war. They’d much rather make women compete against the 357th best male swimmer in the country in high-level competition.
Co-ed softball beer leagues exist. One I was involved in over a decade ago had a rule that a the 10 players on the field had to be evenly divided, 5 men and 5 women. The batting order had to alternate between male and female batters. If a male could call himself a female and could not be questioned on it, the rules which intended to make things fair could not be enforced, which would make the league less fun.
I appreciate your comments Thinking Mind. But I think the author misses a big reason for the "trans agenda": doctors and hospitals want to make a lot of money transitioning minors, who will likely need ongoing medical treatment for the rest of their life as a result (even if they de-transition).
So they pushed the government schools to implement it behind parents' backs, and why not, most everyone involved are Democrats who care more to engage in performative acts of conformity and compliance in their political circles, than actually serve their alleged customers (I say alleged, because they act as if their customers are the politicians who set their salaries, and to whom their union dues go).
As a libertarian, I don't care if an adult wants to undergo transition surgery and hormone treatments, and don't care if they are trans (my wife is friends with a trans man trying to be a woman, and I'm OK with her/him and respect them enough to use she/her for the person).
What I object to, is government getting involved and especially using my taxpayer money to pay for such transitions. And I think telling others your preferred pronouns is presumptuous: people should be free to call you want they think, even if it's an insult, and I don't recommend insulting people either. Government pushing preferred pronouns isn't in the Constitution, and neither are Miss Manner's rules of etiquette. But most successful people recommend you be courteous and ethical, if you want to be successful.
Personally it's worth asking the medical 'community' that if 'do no harm' is no longer one of their guiding principles, what have they replaced it with?
Treatments that do more harm than the underlying condition have been frowned on or outright banned many, many times in the past. There's always been debate on where the line is, but that doesn't mean there is no line.
I''ve coached girls on teams in two football clubs in different leagues. Our opponents had some too. No problems arose.
My brother was an all state nose tackle, he once had to go up against a female center, he definitely held back because she was female (had no sacks for the game, which was a first for him). He said he had no idea where to put his hands when blocking her or trying to get past her. He was embarrassed to play against her. So, yeah she can play, but let's not pretend there is no issues.
Our boys definitely didn't hold anything back against girls! And one of the girls I coached turned out to be the star of our team. The deal was that we had to take her little brother along with her in the draft.
Just for the record, there was no good intention.
OK, semi-serious question: what other mental disorders about personal dysphoria are treated by complete indulgence, up to a societal level?
Gender affirming therapy and possible transmission is the treatment for gender dysphoria.
"Gender affirming therapy" does not treat or cure gender dysphoria. It accommodates it.
"Gender affirming therapy and possible transmission is the treatment for gender dysphoria."
Given the lack of improvement by any measurable criteria --- how, EXACTLY, are they a "treatment"?
Leaches have more medical legitimacy as a treatment for diseases than lopping off body parts.
I love the belief that if men take too much testosterone (which steroids absolutely were), they'll suffer serious health problems but women --- who, mind you, were designed to handle miniscule amounts of testosterone compared to men --- lack that potential danger.
Leeches do have viable medical uses. That doesn't absolve most of leech therapies in the past.
Gender affirming therapy and possible transmissionself acceptance is the treatment for gender dysphoria.There is no scientific evidence, no medical evidence, no evidence period that gender affirming care treats gender dysphoria at all. If anything it exacerbates the condition. Fuck, how can anyone be wrong on every fucking subject, like you are?
What a nightmare "gender affirming care" would be if it actually DID cure sex dysphoria. You block your puberty, distort your body with hormones, have your cock and balls cut off, and then—your dysphoria is cured, and you realize you really are and want to be a man!
…and possible transmission..
Its transmissible?? Should I wear a mask or something?
N95 briefs.
You are such a stupid cunt.
Gender affirming therapy
Gender reassignment therapy. A reluctance to use accurate language reveals the shaky foundation of your framing.
Cutting off people’s genitalia is the opposite of affirming you sadistic fuck.
None. Yet. Which is why, as others have pointed out above, most of this gooble-gobble nonsense polls around 80% against.
There is no practical difference between this and people who identify as animals. Or as eternal children. For those who are sincere vs losers who are desperate to be special, you have my sympathy. What you don't have is a "right" to piss on firehydrants like your inner-doggie or play youth league soccer as a 45-year-old man. Or to piss in the ladies restroom or play girls' volleyball when you are not a woman.
OK, semi-serious answer: anorexia.
Some definite similarities. And people who suffer from both have my sympathy. But the different way the two are treated reveals the game.
First, the majority of anorexia cases aren't people cosplaying at anorexia to be "special". I'm sure a percentage of those exist, particularly when the fad catches on at some privileged school in the Southern California. We are (or were until recently) experiencing a 10,000% increase in transgenderism. And wouldn't you know it, almost entirely among high school girls in blue cities. Almost like it's a cultural fad, or something. But if we don't take it seriously and bow to their demands (which will suddenly change back in a month) then we are all guilty of somethingphobia and surely driving them to suicide.
Second, and more importantly, the treatment for anorexia is to CURE the mental disorder. We don't try to indulge it, celebrate it, and create more liberated anorexics in the name of diversity.
It's also worth noting that untreated anorexia is a deadly condition, whereas gender dysphoria is not.
Karen Carpenter being a prime example of where that road leads. She took it further than most are able to do, but notably the insane things she did could be read as enabling her mental disorder that actually took her life.
Really? We encourage anorexics to indulge their mental image of themselves and what they think they want to do to themselves?
This is an absurd post. The progressives pushed for equality and non-discrimination, just like they did with race, sex, and disability ---> Which pissed off bigots ---> Which caused Trump go after Trans people with a vengeance ---> And it is the why it is the progressive's fault.
Complete BS.
"Progressive activists' ability to push their most unpopular opinions into every area of American life that is regulated by civil rights law has failed to deliver us the kinds of protections that matter, while also making the political right—and generally apolitical voters who might be drawn to the right—more hostile toward us."
'Well meaning' progressives race to fight others battles, screw things up, then dash off to the next agenda that catches their interest in windmill jousting. That about sums it up.
Gals who don't like seeing hairy turgid ladydick in the swimming pool lockerroom leering at little girls are bigots.
Also, prison rape is part of the "if you can't do the pregnancy, don't do the crime"
I agree; your post is complete BS.
"This is an absurd post" should preface everything you write. Just remember the colon next time
This is untrue, and obviously written by someone who does not live in a blue state or is schilling for them.
The reason Trans issues won big with Trump is that Trans people came after our kids. Very simple.
Living in a Blue State, I have always got along fine with socially liberal values, and have always taught my kids that one can be polite and inclusive even if you don't agree with someone's life choices.
But then my daughter started coming home asking me if she is a boy because she likes camping and playing with pocket knives. And then several of her friends all declared they were boys within months of starting in middle school. I have discussions with their parents (all dyed-in-the-wool, Trump hating, Socialism loving, liberals) who are appalled by this- they know their kids, and they aren't boys. And they are absolutely terrified of how activists have weaponized inclusivity against their families. Teachers have created a pipeline starting with 4th and 5th grade teachers that engage in activities like having kids draw themselves as another gender, then feeding kids into "LGBTQ Allies" clubs at middle schools that use cult-like tactics to turn kids natural pubescent insecurities into full on manias.
This is fucking simple: If Queer activists are right, and gender is nothing but some "cultural archetype" then by their own admission they are pushing their culture on unwilling communities. That bitch teacher telling my daughter that she isn't a tomboy, but an actual boy, is pushing her culturally-arbitrary gender norms on my kid, just as surely as I would be if I started hassling a Muslim girl about wearing a head scarf.
Had the Trans activists stayed in their lane and fought for non-discrimination and acceptance in adult society, this would be nothing. But they pushed this into the schools, and all the blowback is absolutely justified imho.
Well said.
I can be tolerant of things I disagree with up to a point, but when they go from 'acceptance' to 'endorsement' is where I start to lose my desire to be tolerant.
It's hard not to notice that issues of sexuality and gender really don't have any place at that grade level. Most people would say the same of heteronormative sexuality being taught at that grade level, so it's astounding they would demand non-orthodox relationship types be taught before they've even taken SexEd or rigorous biology classes.
The only reasonable conclusion one can come to is indoctrination given they push this agenda before classes that teach actual facts about human sexuality, reproduction, or the makeup of life on this planet Earth.
when they go from 'acceptance' to 'endorsement' is where I start to lose my desire to be tolerant
This is my thing, too. I've known various transgender people over the decades, and I even had a neighbor for a number of years who was male-to-female trans in her late '50s, and I knew her for several years before she let it drop that she used to be a man.
I have always referred to male-to-females trans as "she" and female-to-male as "he" because whatever, why not?
However, this stopped being a matter of courtesy in recent years and is now a tool of authoritarianism and witch-hunt mentalities that try to force everybody into new pronoun regimes that don't make any sense if you think about them too hard.
These days I am much more resistant to using people's 'preferred pronouns' than I was ten years ago, because it isn't about politeness anymore, it's about compliance with bullies.
These days I am much more resistant to using people's 'preferred pronouns' than I was ten years ago, because it isn't about politeness anymore, it's about compliance with bullies.
Yeah, I've known lots of people in 'fringe' life styles my whole life and while I've never really agreed with any of them they were capable of being decent people outside of their weird life style choices and we never had any trouble getting along because I didn't have to be a part of their in group to be friends.
I'm not so sure that's even possible anymore as so many people define their personal politics as a required thing to continue knowing them. That isn't just the weird people either, you see it from 'main stream' large groups of people who simply can't be friends because they don't agree with this particular view on this or that political wedge issue.
The phrase 'the personal is political' seems like a warning in retrospect, although there were plenty of people pointing that out even at the time I guess.
This accounts for a lot of how society has simultaneously desexualized and hypersexualized childhood. When I was a child, photos of children that would've been uncontroversial are now considered at least borderline pornographic, because sexiness has been read into contexts where it wasn't before. Actually even some intended child pornography was probably not thought of as such in those days, because people didn't think of kids sexually.
This, exactly.
MollyGodiva.
Is.
Still.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
And you prove the authors point. Keep calling people bigots because they don't want their little girl showering with boys.
Fuck once again proving you are wrong every time you post. Fuck, are you clinically retarded?
She has a PhD in physics but still manages to be retarded.
Hmmm, a PhD, in physics? Maybe a PhD in women's studies or some other bullshit degree, but I have a hard time thinking she's smart enough to have a post grad degree in any hard science.
It’s Molly, so yes, she is clinically retarded.
And a cunt.
Nope. No thanks. Don't want anything to do with this madness.
In 1952, African Americans faced Jim Crow, doctors labeled same-sex attraction a mental disorder, and homosexuality was criminalized in nearly every state.
Go. Fuck. Yourself.
Your selectively dishonest interpretation of this statement is "Race transitively homosexuality (transitively transgenderism) is not a mental disorder." but inherent in your dishonest interpretation of the transitivity you wouldn't dare assert "Being black is largely or only just a mental disorder." You're overtly trying to drape yourself in the history and culture of race while trying to keep or leverage the (false) persecution to take advantages that neither black people nor white people enjoy.
This is utterly retarded and retarding category error stupidity.
"In 1952, African Americans faced Jim Crow, doctors labeled violent sociopathy a mental disorder, and murder was criminalized in nearly every state."
"In 1952, African Americans faced Jim Crow, doctors lobotomized people, and organized gambling was criminalized in nearly every state."
Imagine the dishonest stupidity of going from there to "There's a genuine business argument to be made that such programs can be used as a tool to recruit and retain talent from minority groups (such as gamblers)."
It's especially galling since trans racial is frowned on by nearly everyone. How can it be that race is fundamental to a person but sex is not?
'Gender identity' is not, in fact, the same as sex according to these people but they also openly admit that 'gender identity' can change by the hour making it a trait that can't honestly be used as the basis of any kind of civil rights considerations. They also then demand preference based on sex rather than gender, meaning we can be pretty sure their arguments are not in good faith.
Hilariously, transvestites and drag queens have been open and out in society for decades enjoying all those equal rights and fundamentally there isn't an obvious external indicator for any difference between them and 'trans' other than the delusion factor specifically. If you remove the demands on society, they are identical to external viewers outside the cult and no one cares about their infighting.
How can it be that race is fundamental to a person but sex is not?
I have it on good authority that the answer is "shut up, transphobe."
Dressing up, taking hormones, and mutilating one's body won't make a male a female anymore than blackface makes a white person black.
There are exactly two sexes. There are a few cases of people born with both (or neither) sets of gonads. Those people are genetic aberrations, not some mystical, "third sex".
If an adult wants to cosplay as the other sex, that adult should be more than free to do so on their own dime. But it's completely unrealistic for that person to expect the rest of society to play along with their delusion.
Trans people are not only mentally ill but dangerously so. To the point where they commit mass murders due to the illusion they are being victimized by others, The delusion is brought upon by progressives who brainwash and incubate this delusion.
The results are another mass shooting or attempted mass shooting by a person who belongs in a mental institution instead of allowed out in the general public.
Therefore, Trump and his cabinet should make every effort to build new institutions for those mentally crippled/ill who live in a fantasy world of make believe.
There are only two sexes and genders. A man cannot become a woman and a woman cannot become a man. At least I can safely say this without the fear of the FBI breaking in my front door at 5:00AM to haul me away to Room 101 for thought crime and bad speak.
At least I can safely say this
For now. In this country.
Trans people are not only mentally ill but dangerously so. To the point where they commit mass murders due to the illusion they are being victimized by others, The delusion is brought upon by progressives who brainwash and incubate this delusion.
Even at that, “The cunning of the fox is as murderous as the violence of the wolf.”- Thomas Paine
Calling the cops, siccing DCFS on families... fantastic way to fuck shit up for generations for exceedingly normal behavior... for someone to have the ability to say "It's not like I physically hurt anybody, I just wanted them to respect my pronouns."
You have the right to dress as you will, change your name and if you can pay for it, have your body mutilated. That is one edge of the sword. The other is that other people have the right to not tolerate or coddle your delusions and fantasies.
The minute you attempt to force other people to view you as you view yourself, use specialized unnatural language, accommodate your delusions, you cross a line.
I'm really confused, because that is the point of this article.
He wants us to conform to his pronoun nonsense - "Corporations and businesses can mandate DEI programs" -
This is an individual choice. Corporations do not get to decide that a man can come into the women's restroom.
And thinks banning biological men in female spaces and sports is antu-lgbtq laws. At best you might stretch to call those anti-trans laws and even that is a huge stretch. No one is banning you from being trans, they are saying that you can't use women only space just because you feel like a woman and maybe we shouldn't let minors take potentially dangerous (and there are numerous dangerous side effects that occur far more frequently than they like to admit) and surgically mutilate themselves.
The state of Iowa paid 2 million dollars to pay for trans people in prison.... Because... The state is now trying to change the law by removing gender as a protected right. The trans are sure howling about how they expect the Taxpayers of Iowa to pay for this. Nope. All adults are free to pay for it themselves. Don't care. But I don't want to pay for it. In the military? Too bad. If it's a problem for you, dishonorable discharge or whatever.Your out as the taxpayer shouldn't have to pay for it.
My biggest problem with them in the military is it makes them non-deployable for several months to a year. No other elective surgery/treatment that requires you to be non-deployable is allowed in the service. Your entire purpose is to be deployable.
Given the extensive medical follow-up they require for the rest of their lives, aren't they really made permanently non-deployable?
If only homosexuality, gender dysphoria and autogynephilia do not also have a high coincidence of comorbidity with narcissistic personality disorders. There really are no rights that transgenders do not have. What is wanted though is to require society to believe these conditions are not dysfunctional in any fashion.
Part of the problem is we are getting increasing evidence that transitioning, especially for children, does not work in solving the mental issues behind gender dysphorias, while creating a class of people requiring permanent medical maintenance.
We have also made "queerness" a sacred, protected position. Schools are full of signs saying "this is an LGBTQ safe space". The easiest way for a marginalized child to get attention from adults is to declare yourself some kind of queer identity.
Part of the problem is we are getting increasing evidence that transitioning, especially for children
Even this is exceedingly generous to the delusion. The actual evidence is that the efficacy for everyone is spurious at best and for children it's especially harmful given the alternatives.
And this is completely sensible given even a low amount of common sense on a/the subject. There are people out there, right now, with manic depression and schizophrenia and actual disorders that can be clinically detected both psychologically as well as medicinally. Treating even them is no "Take two of these and call me in the morning." or out-patient procedural practice. The idea that employers instituting inclusion policies and support for their delusions in the name of inclusion, even voluntarily, is between stupid and evil.
Mental illness is the predominant theme here. It is to be treated, not celebrated.
Our progressive champions may have introduced notions of "birthing persons" to corporate America, but they have done little to safeguard our fundamental right to bodily autonomy.
Hey, what is "My Body, My Choice", chopped liver? /s
lol how'd that work out for you? ~~Fauci
What if someone calls me a tranny and I'm OK with it?
What if someone calls me a tranny and I'm OK with it, but someone who's not OK with it overhears?
Nigga, please
>But turn on the TV and you will find little discussion of the Lizardman [Eric "Lizardman" Sprague] or worries of a rhinoplasty craze sweeping our youth. Instead, the 2024 legislative session saw more than 500 anti-LGBT bills introduced nationwide, with a significant portion targeting transgender individuals.
I lived in Austin for years and I 've met Eric a couple times as our social circles briefly crossed on a couple occasions. Here is what I know:
Eric is a freakshow. He loved the attention and discussing his modifications.
He has never, to my knowledge anyway, tried to control, or convince an employer to control, anyone's speech or pronouns. He has never been in public and needing to use the restroom and gone "Nope, not a man, not the men's room. Not a women, so not the ladies. I am a lizard... so I guess I'm gonna shit on the sidewalk in front over everyone like a lizard would do". (I cannot speak to if he ever tried to join any lizard's sport teams.)
Eric goes about his life as a sideshow, not trying to convince others to change and preaches live and let live.
You want someone to blame for the pushback on trans, it should be the trans activist. They are the ones who are trying to control our speech. The are the ones who are trying to force their views and vernacular on others. They are the ones who are trying to undue decade of women's rights so that they can intrude on into the private spaces and insert themselves in their hard fought victories.
The trans community isn't represented by the gender dysphoric who want to quietly live by living a life other than the genetic gender they were born with. No, the trans community is being represented by clowns, but instead of red noses and absurdly large shoes, they were drag queen type attire. It is over the top, theatrical, and comes with demands that are untoward.
OK I zoned out when I read "gender affirming care". I'm old enough to remember the Christine Jorgensen rehashed a few times and I had a friend 50 fucking years ago who was trapped in a man's body and became a parody of a woman. Nobody gave a shit. The culture was a hellava lot more tolerant in the 70s. In the pre Obama years Americans of all skin colors thought race relations were pretty good. Obama and the progressives made it clear that a post racial society would not be tolerated. Tranny oppression is a problem that didn't need to be solved because outside of the narcissism of the self proclaimed victims, nobody gives a shit what you do to your body. But the progressives have made it clear that the rest of us have to not only tolerate delusional people, we have to sacrifice our children to them. The problem isn't transgender people. The problem is the misogyny and grooming of children that the "movement" has embraced.
Retards like this writer are why I reject egalitarianism.
Some people don't deserve fairness.
Exactly what anti-lgbtq are being passed by the right? Explain how they are anti-lgbtq especially how they are anti-lgb? You can't, because it isn't happening. You're just pissed that the law doesn't allow you to utilize women's spaces and sports based on your feels and that minors can't undergo dangerous and unproven medical treatments.
Be fair. To people who define oppression and physical violence as just the feeling that others will not celebrate their personal and political deviance, anyone who merely questions the LGBTQXYZ123 movement is stealing their human rights.
minors can't undergo dangerous and unproven medical treatments.
Again, not just minors. The therapy is of dubious efficacy for knowing/consenting adults. It still provides cover for trans rapists. It still legitimizes chemical castration. It's still as morally and/or legally dubious as lobotomies or electroshock therapy which, as Reason has so recently shown us, the compulsory imposition of which s not beyond the reach of modern sensibilities.
Maybe there are a couple of handfuls of people (adults) who *need* the therapy, the conflation of them with men raping women in prison, castrating children, etc. is rather overtly worse than simply finding the narrow handfuls of people a different treatment.
You're a delusional person with mental problems. Society has no obligation to accommodate your delusions and pathologies and pretend that they are normal.
I feel bad even asking this because I can't imagine a trans person would ever discuss this with me, nor do I expect a response, but just as food for thought: what if I disagree with the idea of gender identity? I don't mean an argument where I just repeat missives like "2 scoops, 2 genders, 2 terms", but actual real ideological disagreement. I've read a lot of philosophy and the building blocks of transgender ideology (post modernism, neo marxism, all those french socialists like derrida and foucault, critical theory, etc.) and I arrived at a different conclusion. I don't think gender exists. It's just a synonym for sex and it's relatively meaningless as a concept. Women can be scientists, men can like pink, and it doesn't make them any more or less of what they biologically are.
That's really my fundamental problem with trans as a concept. Maybe you're the exception to the norm, but I can't imagine having this discussion with anyone and not having it lead down this logical path:
Disagree on gender -> you're denying my identity and lived experience -> you're discriminating against me -> use whatever legal means available to penalize
I agree with your ethical and/or philosophical observation here. What we are observing though is purposeful obfuscation where they are not arguing in good faith.
See, 'gender' and 'sex' are not the same thing in gender theory but the advocates argue as if they are the same thing. That implies they either are unware of the underpinnings of their own claims, or that they are being mendacious and lying to get to a preferred outcome. Probably both, since it's a nonsense position in the first place so no doubt many of them don't understand or don't care to understand. They care about the results, in essence 'the ends justify the means'.
Looking for consistent ethical, practical, or philosophical underpinnings to this is looking for something that doesn't exist. That's why you get the thought chain of "Disagree on gender -> you're denying my identity and lived experience -> you're discriminating against me -> use whatever legal means available to penalize".
They know their arguments can't withstand honest critique or unbiased observation, so they try to shut them down before they are made and come down as hard on possible when someone does dissent as a lesson to others. It's very thinly veiled authoritarianism wearing the clothes of civil rights, which is sort of apropos if you think about it.
This describes nearly all of Jeff’s posts on this subject.
Transgenderism is sexism itself: the belief that one's thoughts, feelings, and behavior must comport with one's body type. Those of us who are not sexist recognize that anyone of either sex may have whatever thoughts, feelings, and preferences they wish. "Transitioning" is unnecessary if you accept that anyone may be him- or herself in either a male or female body.
what if I disagree with the idea of gender identity?
I've said this since the beginning. Transgenderism *requires* paranormal/anti-scientific conceptions akin to the Scientologist's Thetans or other religion's souls. In order to conceptually preserve the rigor of biological sex while allowing for the freedom of linguistic gender, you need some purely artificial construct to map between the two. But, again, the idea that a business saying "We should accept male bodies with female souls for diversity purposes." even of their own volition, isn't a good thing. They're encouraging, if not forcing, their employees to do something impossible that in no way benefits them or the business. Like putting out a statement saying that it's a good idea to pray to the flying spaghetti monster 3 times a day or, at least, to support those who do because they bring diverse ideas to the table. There isn't and can't be any evidence that praying to the FSM diversifies and supports anything one way or the other and any company or employee that has the time to encourage people to voluntarily support such an idea has run out of actual productive things to do.
The left has literally survived on [WE] Identify-as *special* people gang building to Gov - 'Gun' usage against those icky people.
It's as predictable of a consequence of [Na]tional So[zi]al[ism] as water is wet.
The Democrats denial of their Nazi mentality runs consistent with their denial of gender, their denial of justice (EARN) and their denial of being Racist/Sexist.
Denial, Self-Projection, Narcissistic is what makes a Democrat voter.
First, we don't have red states, we have blue cities and mostly red everywhere else. Second, the reason, IMO, there's been so much loss by progressives is that they "pushed". No one likes being told what to say and what to think or act. In the workplace, most importantly, we spend a lot of time together. Sometimes more than our families. We all should know this and realize that because of this, "people are messy" and being "messy" means forgiving each other and being respectful. We're actually more alike than we give ourselves credit when going down these "rabbit holes". Let's be first, humans. Second, slow to judge. Third, more focused on our similarities without having to be forced to endure and focus on what divides us.
Transgender Americans like me are trapped in a grim paradox.
Normies just call it "reality," but OK.
Seven decades later, a great deal of progress has been made. A 2022 Pew Research poll found that only 10 percent of Americans oppose protecting transgender people from discrimination—protections that have been enshrined in law by the highest court of the land.
Nobody wants to discriminate against you. That's not their problem with you.
One might think that in an era of unprecedented tolerance and body modification, transgender people would be the least of anyone's concerns.
Don't make me tap the sign.
What makes Superman a hero and not a tyrant—what justifies his exertion of force—is this commitment. If such a poster were made today, the cartoonist would probably add sex, sexuality, and gender identity to that list of protected groups.
Only if he's being gay.
And I don't mean homosexual.
In fact, adding those would straight up undermine Superman's message. Sex is already included in his message (note the chick in the plaid skirt). Sexuality and gender identity? Those are not akin to race, religion, or national origin.
Sexuality and gender identity are lifestyle choices. And it's not un-American to criticize those. Especially when one is right to do so.
For your argument to hold water, Superman would also have to add, "and style of dress, and haircut, and (since you brought it up) body modifications, and what kind of music they listen to, and how they choose to spend their weekends, and, and, and and and and into infinity."
It's. Stupid.
And it's also dangerous.
Superman would also have to inevitably add, likely in a hushed tone, "and whether they're sexually attracted to children" (since - let's not kid ourselves, we all know what the "+" stands for in LGBTQ+).
What constitutes discrimination?
Withholding goods, services, or commercial opportunities available to the public - in part or in whole - based on a person's immutable characteristics.
How should laws against discrimination be enforced?
File a complaint and let a jury decide.
What is an appropriate punishment for having discriminated against someone?
Usually capped compensatory damages. Punitives if it's really egregious.
I feel like you could have just looked most of this stuff up on your own.
Is that un-American if someone uses "he" or "him" to describe me?
Are you a biological male? If so, then no.
What if someone calls me a "tranny"?
What if someone calls me a "nigger?"
Might hurt my feelings, might cause me to experience outrage and/or victimization.
But... well, as the saying goes, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me."
Nor should we - as a society or a State - be in the business of seeking retribution against jerks who use mean words.
Faced with questions like these, it's not surprising that an often flawed government might fail to regulate effectively.
Because they shouldn't be regulating it at all.
As an adult
*snicker*
Bro, you're playing an un-ending game of perpetual make-believe. And expecting everyone else to go along with it. Don't stand there and pretend that's you being "an adult." Grownups don't do that.
This kind of language is universal among large U.S. firms
Don't know if you've been tracking the winds lately, but that kind of language is quickly becoming a death sentence - especially among large US firms.
Nobody wants to be the next Bud Light.
Even Disney is yanking the reigns on this DEI nonsense. They're all learning very quickly that "go woke, go broke" is just a gussied up version of FAFO.
If a transgender man works at United States Steel, my guess is that he's capable of handling a few jabs on the job.
Why? You're literally stereotyping both women (I assume that's what you meant by "transgender man") and steelworkers. Why are you doing that?
There's a genuine business argument to be made that such programs can be used as a tool to recruit and retain talent from minority groups.
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I should have the freedom to wear the clothes I want to wear and I should have the freedom to pursue cosmetic changes to my body. But that freedom goes both ways. You should be free to not care, not date me, not call me a woman, and not pay for my hormones or surgeries.
And most importantly I should have the freedom to not go along with your game of make-believe.
It's curious that you omitted that one. You can pretend you are a girl. I should not - in any way: bathrooms, sports, watercooler, classroom, whatever - have to ALSO pretend you are a girl.
There should be no prejudice or retribution against me if I use your given name, rather than the invented name of the false persona you've chosen for yourself. Same goes with your pronouns (and the trappings of your lifestyle choice - including the pride idols).
Despite finding only 10 percent who oppose protecting transgender people from discrimination, the same Pew data show Americans divided on the questions posed above: 41 percent believe transgender people should use bathrooms that match their biological sex, and 58 percent believe trans athletes should compete on teams that match their biological sex.
Because Americans understand there's a difference between legal and illegal discrimination. The alphabet people want to blur that distinction (and they do this VERY consciously because they know that sexuality and gender identity DO NOT meet the standards that would constitute illegal discrimination).
I am not obligated to like, accept, or even tolerate you. Or anyone else. But that's what sticks in your craw, isn't it. The fact that others won't go along with your game of make-believe.
Only 27 percent of Americans (and a minority of Democrats) believe health insurance companies should be required to cover gender transitions.
That's actually very comforting, given that so few Americans (and zero Democrats) understand what health insurance is. Let alone why it should NEVER cover pre-existing conditions, let alone elective cosmetic procedures.
And on the question of whether that means preventing minors from transitioning, Americans are also divided: 46 percent believe such transitions should be illegal.
And jailable as child abuse. And not just white collar slap on the wrist jail - I'm talking thrown down a dark hole forever jail.
There is no such thing as a "trans child." It's no different than vegan cats. We all know who's really making the decisions.
If a company wants to mandate respectful pronoun use and gender-neutral bathrooms, then it should have that freedom.
Ahh, but see, then you run into another problem - are THEY discriminating against ME when they do that? Does that become compelled speech? Are they forcing their employees to subject themselves to potential (indeed, likely) violent and/or predatory behavior as a condition of employment?
Aaaaaalllllll kinds of problems with that sort of thing, that you seem to hand-wave (with a limp wrist, lol?) away under some vaguely defined notion of "freedom" (for yourself, but not others).
I feel like you could have just looked most of this stuff up on your own.
They don't have Wi-Fi in the grim paradox he's trapped in because white, homophobic Superman won't give it to them.
If that explanation seems absurd and wrong to you, that's because even if you're trans, you're an evil bigot who just hates diversity.
Aww man, I really wanted to like diversity. Airplane crashes and all.
Holy shit, bro. That was epic. I can't keep track anymore, but if he/she has balls, you just kicked him/her squarely in they/them.
So ask about female circumcision. Then when you're done with that, about circumcision, period. Of babies, I mean.
What's worse... being over-"protected" by the left, or outlawed by the right? Sadly, I'll have to choose the left because at least with them, they acknowledge I exist.
Outlawing something isn't denying your existence. Might be denying a game of make-believe, but it's not denying their existence.
If transgenders choose the right, it acknowledges their existence. It also acknowledges that they need serious, compassionate help, and will offer its charity in any way it can.
If they choose the left, all they get is affirmation. Enablers on their path of self-denial and ultimately self-destruction.
If I believe - sincerely, genuinely, wholeheartedly - that I was born with the ability to fly. The person on the right is going to try and convince me that is not in keeping with reality. Might hurt my feelings, might even send me into a full-blown identity crisis.
The person on the left is going to point you to a tall building and say, "Be true to yourself and go live your best life."
Which of them is actually on your side, AB?
"only 10 percent of Americans oppose protecting transgender people from discrimination" , which means the opposite of how you take it. I loathe Dylan Mulvaney and he would risk being killed if I saw him with my kids. But I have no warrant for initiating harm against him. Judging by my neighbors , co-workers, students that is what the statistic means. Jeffery Dahmer needed help not execution but barring that he got excecuted. Someone should help Dylan Mulvaney. I would never initiate any harm against Amber Scardina but read the Masterpiece Cake case and you can't help but hate her perversion. You are losing touch, you really are.
======> only 41% of Americans would be somewhat or very comfortable learning that a friend is transgender, while a full third are willing to tell pollsters this would make them uncomfortable.
18/205 Muted grey boxes on this one.
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