Has the Imperial Presidency Arrived?
There's little question that Trump is taking the concept of the imperial presidency to its apogee.

I've always enjoyed movies and TV shows about parallel universes, where the protagonists somehow enter another world that looks just like the real one but is fundamentally different and usually quite twisted. Perhaps my favorite of the genre is The Man in The High Castle, where the alternative universe is one in which the Nazis triumphed in World War II. It's a great way to explore ideas and think about history.
Along those lines, let's say some weird vortex blows in from the, er, Gulf of America and we suddenly find that instead of losing the election, Kamala Harris won a solid victory. Democrats control both houses of Congress and the Supreme Court has a progressive majority. We also find that the Democratic base has a cult-like commitment to the former vice president and the media are acting like lapdogs. It's preposterous (except for the media part), but we're talking science fiction.
Instead of governing in the typical misguided way that every presidential administration has operated in the post-war era, President Harris decides to echo the approach of Real World President Donald Trump and govern by edict. Spare me the "whataboutism." Yes, I know that all presidents have abused their executive-order authority, have defied the Constitution's clear words, and have used the administrative state to advance some dubious ends.
But there's little question that Trump is taking the concept of the imperial presidency to its apogee. The term refers to the vast expansion of presidential authority—and the process whereby a president uses supposed national-security emergencies to justify far-reaching policies that evade the scrutiny of Congress and the courts. Everyone has done it. George W. Bush used the War on Terror to justify everything. Barack Obama used the financial crisis as an excuse.
But the situation is more perilous in our current dystopian world. First, Trump is more brazen than anyone since FDR in exerting presidential muscle. Second, some in the Trump orbit suggest the courts have no check on the executive branch. Third, the self-appointed defenders of the Constitution (conservatives) no longer are complaining about these power grabs. In the old days (before January 20), they would have publicly decried the actions of elected dictators.
The separation of powers embodies the essence of our Constitution. "The Framers' experience with the British monarchy informed their belief that concentrating distinct governmental powers in a single entity would subject the nation's people to arbitrary and oppressive government action," explains the official congressional website. Former Chief Justice William Rehnquist rightly said "the creation of an independent constitutional court…is probably the most significant contribution the United States has made to the art of government."
Apparently, this reflects a dying art. While I agree with some of Trump's stated goals in slashing the federal behemoth, it's crucial that such efforts—and I do believe most of these current efforts are flashes in the pan or attempts to replace civil servants with MAGA loyalists—follow proper legal procedures. Perhaps Trump's most blatantly unconstitutional action was his attempted abolition of birthright citizenship. Hint: One cannot change the Constitution by executive order. Fortunately, the courts have so far blocked this dictatorial impulse.
What would conservatives say had Alternative Universe President Harris created new agencies by decree? And what if she threatened to defy court oversight? Toward the end of the Biden administration, the former president and Harris foolishly claimed the Equal Rights Amendment was ratified (it wasn't). People laughed. But if Harris were in charge, wouldn't conservatives hope for judicial scrutiny?
Yet Vice President J.D. Vance argued recently on X: "If a judge tried to tell a general how to conduct a military operation, that would be illegal. If a judge tried to command the attorney general in how to use her discretion as a prosecutor, that's also illegal. Judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power." Fortunately, Trump just said that he will abide by court rulings but appeal them, so there is some hope for maintaining judicial review.
If he doesn't stick to that, why not just make the president a king and be done with it? Law professor Ilya Somin puts it more eloquently: "If the president is able to defy or ignore court orders against him, then the executive branch would be effectively free of legal constraints…It could violate constitutional rights, usurp the authority of Congress (as Trump is trying to do with his wide-ranging assault on the spending power), and more…(W)e would no longer have a constitutionally constrained federal government, except perhaps in name only."
One of my oft-repeated maxims: Never support new government powers that you wouldn't trust in the hands of your enemies. Perhaps Republicans figure Democrats will never win again—and the president continues to toy with running for a third term—but that seems unlikely. In an alternative world where Harris or Gavin Newsom were president, would you be comfortable with this kind of imperial presidency?
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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LOL.
Some Brit: Has there ever been any President who has done more in his first 100 days, than Trump?
Robby Soave: Bear with him, folks. He's British, FDR isn't a name he would recognize.
Steve Greenhut: Has there ever been any President who has been more imperial than Trump?
You're a clown, Greenhut.
Clown is too generous. This half a tard didn't mention a single Biden EO. Like not one.
Which is more offensive, using every tool in your chest to try to get rid of a small chunk of the permanent "public servant" class, or using EOs to lavish tens of thousands of other people's dollars on antisemitic campus activists in hopes of buying their votes? Oh, and continuing to do so after the Supreme Court explicitly said it was illegal. Can't imagine where JD got the idea he could question the authority of the court.
Oh, I know, Greenhut. You wrote, "Spare me the whataboutism," so now you have magical immunity from having to justify your change of heart about executive fiat. Maybe at the Bulwark or apparently the OC Register, but that shit don't fly here. You got republished in the wrong place, you fucking hack.
""You wrote, "Spare me the whataboutism," ""
When people start claiming whataboutism they are really saying good for me but not thee.
"Whataboutism."
Yes, newspeak for "Shit! My utter hypocrisy has been exposed!"
Is it just a coincidence that this convenient distraction suddenly came into fashion right about the time when the progressives' hypocrisy had reached such near universality that no one could ignore it? Probably coined by some fascist psy-op developer like Cass Sunstein.
Trump's not doing anything different or more than previous Presidents, going back to the beginning. Jefferson thought it was unconstitutional to buy Louisiana from Napoleon, but did it anyway. The only real difference with Trump is that government has gotten bigger so there's more at play. Biden with his student loan nonsense, Trump 45 with his huge spending, Obama with his pen and phone, Bush 43 with his wars and Medicare prescriptions. Clinton was a rare exception, but it wasn't for lack of trying, what with Hillarycare and all his raping and her pimping, Bush 41 raising taxes, St Ronnie and his doubling of the national debt. Even relatively benign Presidents like Coolidge added their own graft.
"all his raping and her pimping,"
+1
A perfect description of the Clinton Administration. Plus that made me lol.
More than anything else, it was her enabling and excusing of his rapes which offended me. If she'd just shut up, or said something half-honorable like "I stand by my man", I could have ignored her role in all those "affairs". But she accused them all of lying when she knew they were true. Fuck that "believe all women" nonsense which came later. She knew what he'd done and helped cover it up by proactively accusing his victims of lying, over and over, and I would not be surprised if she were found to have kept funneling new victims to him. A truly despicable person.
It took a lot of hard decisions move r the years for Hillary. But she is now Supreme Director of C.U.N.T.
A good name for a Hillary Clinton would be ‘From Bottom Bitch to Evil Queen: The HRC Story’
It should also be noted that Greenhut has a narrow and arguably incorrect definition of 'Imperial'.
Personally, Obama's 'pen and phone' wasn't as much of a concern as the Nobel Peace Prize and the succession, or nearly so, of Bush 43 of Bush 41 and HRC of WJC. As you point out, Presidents always test their unwritten powers within their own domain, but Obama won the Peace Prize, rather overtly, for imposing his political will on the world and the Bush's Imperialism is well-tread ground.
Greenhut, like a true-blue anti-libertarian, anti-capitalist moron, seems to be confusing or conflating wealth and prestige, or even just self-aggrandizing boastfulness, for actual, no-shit Emperor/God-King Imperialism.
How dare you blaspheme against St Reagan you leftist!
Unfortunately, the man who said:
Namque pauci libertatem, pars magna iustos dominos volunt.
worked for Julius Caesar.
Unlike you far left democrats, we’re capable of engaging in critical analysis.
Like:
"A good name for a Hillary Clinton would be ‘From Bottom Bitch to Evil Queen: The HRC Story’"
?
Damn Stevie. Couldn't wait even 2 sentences to make your Hitler connection. Needles to say, that's where I stopped reading.
Did I accidentally stumble into the Washington Post?
No, the Orange County Register (where Greenhut writes), but they style themselves as the WaPo of the West.
That’s really setting their sights low.
Seriously? After what we witnessed over the last 4 years and following Obama's infamous "I've got a phone and a pen" now someone it worried because Trump is going after the permanent bureaucracy and exposing the corruption?
Jesus, you couldn't even make it to the second paragraph before trotting in the Nazi's.
"Along those lines, let's say some weird vortex blows in from the, er, Gulf of America and we suddenly find that instead of losing the election, Kamala Harris won a solid victory. Democrats control both houses of Congress and the Supreme Court has a progressive majority. We also find that the Democratic base has a cult-like commitment to the former vice president and the media are acting like lapdogs. It's preposterous (except for the media part), but we're talking science fiction."
Apparently, in Greenhut's reality, the Biden Administration did not happen. Fortunately, the SCOTUS had a majority reluctant to read penumbras and emanations into the Constitution in order to justify vaccine mandates through OSHA regulations.
The assertion that Trump is the "apogee of the imperial presidency" seemingly takes the rhetoric of democracy by Democrat president's at face value while regarding Trump's similar rhetoric as untrue. It seems more towards the writer's biases than anything real.
Lots of question begging going on here.
With the exception of the birthright citizenship--which is really about how the term 'and subject to the jurisdiction' is interpreted--pretty much every action Trump has taken so far is on solid legal footing as far as this layman can tell. And even 'subject to the jurisdiction' can be re-adjudicated.
E.g., despite the claims in this essay, Trump has not "created new agencies by decree". He has used the powers granted to him by law..."There is further established within USDS, in accordance with section 3161 of title 5, United States Code, a temporary organization known as “the U.S. DOGE Service Temporary Organization”. Go read the USC section quoted and tell me how DOGE is NOT valid within the confines provided; including Musks voluntary position within the organization. Further, Presidents HAVE created agencies by decree. The very same USDS that Trump latched DOGE onto was create by Obama's decree.
Firing workers in mass is illegal, as is moving USPS, giving Musk access to the federal databases, cutting budgets and grants, declaring federal regulations by EO, and shutting down CFPB and USAID. All illegal.
Oh, an expert, are you? I thought you were ...
Except you also were ...
What makes firing workers in mass illegal?
Political blinders.
It is a RIF, and there are rules and laws about how the government handles RIFs. Trump is ignoring those laws.
Can't answer my question? Exactly where is your expertise? Physics? A wide variety of subjects?
Federal law and regulations are available for anyone to read. They are not written in some secret language either.
Then link and cite them (copying the full text) here. We don’t do your legwork for you for free. You want me to do it, I’ll charge $1,000 per citation.
They are not written in some secret language either.
Like COBOL? I heard everyone who understands that is dead.
I'm not dead yet! I don't want to go on the cart!
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/05/reagan-fires-11-000-striking-air-traffic-controllers-aug-5-1981-241252
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-05-20-mn-37442-story.html
Reagan fires ATC.
Hillary Clinton fires Whitehouse travel staff.
I bet you didn't know a first lady can fire federal employees too
It’s illegal for Trump to do anything Molly/Tony doesn’t like.
"Firing workers in mass is illegal, as is moving USPS, giving Musk access to the federal databases, cutting budgets and grants, declaring federal regulations by EO, and shutting down CFPB and USAID. All illegal."
All outright lies from a steaming pile of lying lefty shit.
Can you cite US Code making it illegal?
"And even 'subject to the jurisdiction' can be re-adjudicated."
It's my understanding that it has never been adjudicated in anything like the modern context. The weaponized phrase "illegal immigrant" didn't mean much of anything until the 1920s. But IANAL and this will all come down to what lawyers argue, and even then will only be settled until the next gaggle of lieyers come along with new interpretations.
I used to think it was relatively straight forward from the legal quibblery point of view until the Volokh Consipracy started quibbling over births on foreign ships within the territorial waters (not included even though subject to jurisdiction if, say, a murder occurred onboard), and births to American citizens behind enemy lines if the US had been invaded (obviously not subject to jurisdiction while occupied, but yes subject to jurisdiction once reconquered; see Tokyo Rose for example, an American citizen trapped in Japan by Pearl Harbor and convicted post-war). Lawyers fuck everything up.
It was a shot at Hochul you dumb fucker. What a maroon.
It's the equivalent of Dark Brandon. Trolling.
.45 caliber?
"In an alternative world where Harris or Gavin Newsom were president, would you be comfortable with this kind of imperial presidency?"
Well, we already lived through Obama's "I have a pen and a phone." and "Elections have consequences, and I won." And we've lived through Biden's multiple SCOTUS-spiting "Well, I'm still going to forgive student loans", COVID mandates, Title IX redefinition, and general "10% for the big guy" graft.
Trump firing a bunch of executive branch employees is not the end of the world.
I have to agree. we have all these expansions, and now when the change is that Trump is reducing his power by shutting down agencies and firing bureaucrats, there's question?
If anything, the power to NOT spend money is one of the clearest and most explicit executive powers.
I will confess, I don't understand the legal basis for these rulings that these actions are illegal. Because if this is outside the powers of the president, a lot more should be as well
I don't believe there have been any such rulings. So far there's only been TROs attempting to constrain the Adminstration from carrying out certain actions until hearings and rulings can occur. Maybe I've missed some actual rulings?
"And what if she threatened to defy court oversight?"
It would depend on what the court did. While the courts do have the authority to scrutinize whether the executive is following statute and statute follows the Constitution, they are not all powerful. The Constitution did not create a judicial supremacy, and the courts have limited authority.
Thomas and I belive gorsuch already called out these lowest level judges and their TROs.
I think Stevie-boy here forgot the prior President specifically DID ignore court orders.
His memory gaps are specific and convenient.
correct me if I'm wrong but the courts can say all they want but have no power to enforce, that then falls to the senate to impeach an offending president. this is how we keep any one branch from having to much power
Yes, but we have had the Democrats abusing forum shopping to find judges in the bag for them who give overly broad interpretations of what their authority is to command the executive as well as bizarre interpretations of law, and we have Greenhut essentially saying the law is whatever the courts say it is.
While I agree with some of Trump's stated goals in slashing the federal behemoth, it's crucial that such efforts—and I do believe most of these current efforts are flashes in the pan or attempts to replace civil servants with MAGA loyalists—follow proper legal procedures.
Bullshit! Either you support everything Trump is doing and how he is doing it, or you don't want to cut government at all! So spaketh the Trump defending True Libertarians!
That and you didn't complain when Democrats first did whatever you're complaining about, which means it's ok because you're a hypocrite.
Another strawman. Typical sarc.
It's all you have lol. So much coping.
Starting your drinking day early, Sarc?
This assumes he stopped sometime last night you liar.
I figured he had to pass out from it some time.
And typically in a pool of his own urine and vomit.
I think it was Steven Miller who explained this very well to teh media the other day. We elected Trump to carry out our request and he is doing that by replacing those who refuse to carry out the peoples will.
You do realize that Trump was able to gain the support of just 31% of eligible voters, right? He didn't even get the support of 50% of those who did bother vote.
Hardly the mandate that he and his defenders claim.
Really, you’re using Democrat talking points again? How lame, Sarc.
You can do the same with any election.
Maybe you should have voted for Chase then instead of refusing because he is gay.
More democrat talking points from Sarc’s democrat owners. Do you roll over and sit lefty form them too?
Hey stupid, shut up. Thanks. PS, how's CPS?
I thought everyone lost their minds last time around. This is getting funny.
This is getting funny.
I'm actually getting beyond the bend on this.
Like "Is everyone taking crazy pills?" meets Groundhog's Day.
I know it's not the right solution but maybe we don't actually drop enough people out of helicopters.
When I think of autocracy, what always come to mind are fascist dictators that fire large portions of their staff and reducing their budgets.
The problem is not the what, it's the how. You, like every other retarded and dishonest Trump defender (but I repeat myself), will accuse anyone who questions the how with opposing the what, because you lack the mental ability to separate the two.
Someone better let Sarc know that someone is using his handle again. He scolded me many times for spending too much time arguing what "you" think. This fact that he was unwilling to go so low as to make personal attacks was the only thing that supported his self righteousness.
Except that I'm 100% correct, because I've yet to see someone who questions the how not be viciously attacked by many Trump defending mental midgets (but I repeat myself) with accusations of opposing the what.
Sneering and calling me a hypocrite doesn't make me wrong. Just makes you an asshole.
Poor sarc. Always the victim,
Jinx
Poor sarc, always the victim.
Oh look. One more Trump worshiping retard who can't separate the what from the how. I suppose if you did you'd be kicked out of the church. Be like questioning the virgin birth or the resurrection.
You're a leftist fuck whose primary motivation appears to be TDS and the status quo who has zero actual understanding of how government works.
Every one of your arguments is to retain the current spending in all forms as you rage at any action that might give Trump a victory.
You're a broken sad pathetic leftist shit weasel lol.
You can't articulate anything outside of your MSNBC/reddit narratives.
Poor sarc.
We have asked you dozens of times to explain how it is wrong to fire executive employees, when it is part of article 2. We have asked you dozens of times to show us which appropriations or laws are being violated. DOGE is an audit using a congressionally established office of digital services. Trump is executing cuts that are not line item appropriated, which is is free to do.
You remain fucking intentionally ignorant despite having been told all of this.
I’ve yet to see anyone actually point out how, past their bald assertion that it is so.
That’s not fucking good enough.
You have yet to say how the how is illegal or against current statutory law or against appropriation you dumb retarded fuck. And you continue to demand congress being superior while on the same day blaming Trump for covid spending. Lol.
Article 2 has the vesting clause. But you argued just yesterday the executive is subservient to congress. Not coequal, not having the powers in article 2.
You're a leftist retard.
Congress does have more power than the president, The Constitution never says the branches are co-equal nor does it mention separation of powers.
Congress doesn't not have more power. It has the powers listed in article 1. The executive has the powers listed in article 2.
Your understanding of our constitutional system is from apparent ignorance.
The powers regarding the executive is oversight, appropriation of budget, and advice and consent. They have zero power to direct how the powers in article 2 are executed outside of specific legal direction. And even there article 2 protects against u constitutional direction.
Now you'll probably argue impeachment as proof. Yet we just had a case last year of the executive arresting a member of congress. So they can actually individually under their powers to effect each other.
What powers in Article II? There is only one that is not checked by Congress. The president is specifically tasked with following the laws passed by Congress.
The president is specifically tasked with following the laws passed by Congress.
Nuh uh.
Trump said "I have an Article 2 where I have the right to do whatever I want as president" which means Article 2 says the president can do whatever he wants. Anyone who actually reads Article 2 is a leftist.
Sarc, no matter how you white knight, Molly still isn’t going to bang you.
Tony totally would though.
It is weird how you're not a Democrat but have joined all the democrats in retarded understanding of our system.
The article 2 clause to execute is the take care clause. Outside of that demand, executive decides how to execute the laws.
You and Brandy seem to think the president is just a low level worker.
Execution and who the president hires outside of top level positions is held in the vesting clause.
How about you and Molly go on a date and read the constitution and Federalist papers to start.
Please return your fake doctorate and retake 5th grade civics.
Lower courts making ex parte rulings that restrict what seem to be legal actions taken by the Pres limited to management of the Executive branch need to be challenged in SCOTUS. Any pressure that the Trump Admin applies in that direction should be toward that end.
I guess people who were fond of ruling by secret central committee struggle to deal with an open and public (and deplorable) executive.
Actually, I suspect that progressives would benefit more from an imperial Presidency than conservatives would.
Progressives are quite keen on economic redistribution, and the beneficiaries of that redistribution can be a powerful political force, so purportedly conservative politicians would be fearful of rolling back those policies. Look no farther than Trump's declaration that he wouldn't touch Social Security and Medicare benefits—and no, folks, the taxes you've paid haven't been enough to cover the benefits that you've received and will receive.
This is why we need an aggressive system of checks and balances. We need to give the government as little power as possible, since that power will chiefly be used to take away people's money and restrict their freedom. Rather than lauding Trump's unitary-executive notions, we should be using the Republican hold on both houses and the Presidency to eliminate laws that enable Presidents to rule by decree.
I'm the king of rock, there is none higher
Sucker MC's should call me sire
To burn my kingdom, you must use fire
I won't stop rockin' till I retire
let's say some weird vortex blows in from the, er, Gulf of America
The lack of self awareness at being trolled makes the troll even more epic. The CNN reference is icing on the cake.
"What would conservatives say had Alternative Universe President Harris created new agencies by decree?"
Hmm, wasn't the USDS (the agency that is now called DOGE) created by Barak Obama by decree?
Yes. Yes it was.
How the tables have turned, eh?
USDS was just an office in the White House, nothing more.
DOGE is literally USDS.
A group that is illegally cutting grants and firing people is not the same as a group that aimed to help modernize government computer systems.
Name the laws violated with the full text of the law reprinted here.
Doge isn't cutting anything. You keep lying about those. The cabinet secretaries are doing the cuts. Doge is just auditing and updating systems.
You continue to lie constantly. No wonder sarc agrees with you.
*said without evidence
again
DOGE hasn’t cut shit you lying cunt.
The problem with this article is the same problem that Greenhut has suffered as his career has progressed. When Republicans do things, he holds them to a different standard than Democrats. Every little line of evidence to support his thesis only works if you accept his handwaving and selective memory.
If Trump is an Imperial President for creating "new agencies by decree", then how is Obama not an Imperial President? After all, that agency was created by HIM, not Trump (Trump only renamed it).
But see, that's all this article is- Greenhut cherrypicking and recasting evidence to fit his narrative- the type of "evidence driven" (and critical-thinking-free) essay you expect to see from 6th Graders. The EOs issued by Biden during the Pandemic make pale any EO that Trump has made so far, save for the Birthright Citizenship. Vaccine Mandates, Title IX decrees, War in Ukraine, the multiple offices of censorship in the Whitehouse, State Department, CDC and DOD, the funding of censorship and boycot campaigns abroad that targeted American companies and citizens.
It has become painfully clear that the Biden administration, funding NGOs in other countries, was undertaking one of the biggest resettlement programs in US history, creating pipelines of immigrants from other countries, then housing them in American towns until they could establish themselves. I'm largely supportive of people coming to America, but this SMACKS of imperialism- an administration moving tens of millions of people around the country like pieces on a game-board.
You want extralegal decrees? Perhaps the only reason we might suggest "Elections have consequences" Obama wasn't "Imperial" is that he did his extralegal maneuvers on the sly, rather than putting them out in public (though that might largely be because of the intentional disinterest of the media). Unable to legally attack the speech of conservatives and the market for firearms, Obama instead set to starve them of money- using Operation Chokepoint to target financial institutions doing business with entities his bureaucracy deemed "extremist".
Let's not forget Obama oversaw numerous Imperial gambits, including the 2014 Maidan Revolution in Ukraine. Starting in 2011, American fingerprints and bootprints were all over the Arab Spring, resulting in the fall of governments in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Yemen.
This is not to justify Trump's actions or to minimize the hypocrisy of Republicans who have no problem now with Extra-legislative actions when it's their guy (Or the Democrats who suddenly find principled reasons we should respect the courts). And I am sure there are plenty of people lined up to explain why such-and-such imperial action was justified.
You'd like to think Greenhut is just suffering from recency bias, but- come on- this is substantially (D)ifferent.
But that is the point, isn't it? Running government is actually complicated, and attempts to generalize Trump's actions are lazy, contrived attempts to stop all discourse rather than debate each action on its merits. Is DOGE really the creation of Caesar Trump, or is it the re-tasking of a department that has existed for over a decade? Is it a good idea? Will it succeed? Greenhut doesn't want to go into those details, so he just declares this man the "Imperial President" so that he doesn't have to.
The quality of Greenhut's thinking has slipped further and further over the years and his writing has followed. Reason deserves better.
Well put.
+1, Overt.
It's sad, but all too common, that the only well researched think pieces at Reason appear in the comment section as replies to some half-assed hackery. Reason should be paying you, not Greenhut, because I definitely don't come here for his insight.
"...the type of "evidence driven" (and critical-thinking-free) essay you expect to see from 6th Graders..."
TDS-addled 6th Graders.
Democrats have used the increasing power of the Executive to enrich themselves and their friends. Trump has (so far) used it to shrink the size of government.
But which one is the "libertatian" Steve Greenhut more concerned about?
>There's little question that Trump is taking the concept of the imperial presidency to its apogee.
The previous president openly defied the supreme court and interfered in another countries internal law enforcement.
The previous president sued to get the courts to agree that the president can fire appointees.
But sure - its *Trump* that's 'Imperial'.
Obama created DOGE by decree.
Obama and Warren created the CFPB and arranged it to be unaccountable to congress, answerable only to the executive.
Biden created agencies for censorship and had a thriving community of government censors embedded within telecommunications companies.
CFPB was created by Congress.
Do you know who Warren is?
A prominent Native-American?
No shit. What does that - again - have to do with what I wrote?
You keep hallucinating what I write and then you post responses to those hallucinations here. You could try *to actually read* first.
MollyGodiva, actually read a comment? Unpossible!
Previous presidents have used agencies like USAID to fund tons of 'NGO's' (though if 80% of your funding is from the US government you are not an 'non' government organization any more) in order to push agendas that the people of the US not only do not support, but actively oppose.
How many of Trump's "imperial decrees" are undoing the "imperial decrees" of previous administrations, or even more commonly "we'll do whatever the hell we want" decrees of the entrenched bureaucracy?
On the immigration front, it's not like he's writing new immigration law from the Oval Office (like Obama did), he's simply deciding to enforce the existing immigration law that the previous administration not only ignored but actively subverted.
Anyone who thinks Trump or Musk care about reducing the size of government is intentionally naive. They are consolidating and expanding executive power by eliminating any agency or person who gets in their way. The slashing of government jobs and budgets is to instill fear and dominance of the president over proper procedures and federal law.
The MAGAs want an imperial presidency , just are not yet openly saying it quite yet.
*said without evidence
I care that Trump (and Musk) are doing what I put them in office to do, and it's undeniable that this is what's happening.
That is my point. You don’t care one luck if what Trump is going is legal.
Now do Biden's student loan forgiveness.
You didn't care if what Biden did was legal. Why should I care now?
No, YOU DONT CARE if what Trump is doing is legal or not, you are just supporting the Left as they use whatever delay and deny tactics that are available, no matter how dishonest (or Unconstitutional, as in a pissant District Judge assuming control of the Executive Branch)
What the fuck is this retardation. Those "standing" in their way are executive branch employees. Under the president through vestments in article 2.
EB employees are loyal to federal law and the Constitution, not the President.
Same at my day job. I'm not loyal to the CEO, but the CEO can fire me anyway.
If Congress was concerned about the executive firing people that work in jobs overseen by the executive, they should not relegate their authority to the executive for such departments.
They did not. Congress passed laws prohibiting exactly what Trump/Musk are doing.
Except that the Biden adminstration took that to court - and the court's said the president can do that.
So . . . again, thank the Progressives for developing the legal tools being used today.
"...Congress passed laws prohibiting exactly what Trump/Musk are doing..."
Lying lefty shit-piles have this miraculous belief that if a lie is repeated often enough, it becomes true.
Hint, lying pile of lefty shit: It doesn't.
What laws would those be?
Except they didn’t.
They are doing so by using the tools your Progressive politicians developed for them.
Remember that next time a Democrat is in office.
"Spare me the "whataboutism" he says, and then jumps into the purple haze up to his eyeballs. Trump -- any President -- has the executive power, and wielding it is not "edicts." But I suppose the fact that both Trump and King George the Whosis both breathed air makes Trump a king.
At least Trump does it all out in the open.
Who ran the US for the preceding four years?
Tell me who.
Molly thinks joe's inability to form sentences was just a meme.
Birthright citizenship is actually not an easy issue at all. What does "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" mean in the 14th Amendment? There are good arguments on both sides. I lean to the view that simply being born on American soil isn't enough.
I guess that makes me a crazy nut per Greenhut.
It would also mean that the US cannot arrest nor prosecute illegal immigrants because the US lacks jurisdiction over them. You cant interpret the phrase differently depending on context - "it means this when you're talking about illegal immigrants committing crimes, but it means something different when you're talking about their children". Nope.
"It would also mean that the US cannot arrest nor prosecute illegal immigrants because the US lacks jurisdiction over them."
Does that amount of gymnastics cause physical harm?
No that's not what "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means.
What do you think it means?
Quite literally subject, like the colonists were subjects of the crown.
I mean, it’s not like we hadn’t just fought a war where one side believed you could own people and the other side said you all belong to the government and I’ll die before I let you leave.
I don't think we're there yet. But if Trump appeals one of the recent rulings against his EOs to the Supreme Court, loses there, and then ignores their ruling - which he has said he won't - we will be in an imperial presidency, and it will be cheered on by the cultists here.
"I've always enjoyed movies and TV shows about parallel universes..."
Yeah, me too. Since we're still stuck on that box of rocks Harris I'll just post this again here...
THE MAN IN THE ZLUUBEN
The Players:
Klautzen Schtuppen - Evil Globalist who is definitely NOT the leader of the WEF
Kahla-LAH Hamass - An unscrupulous brownish woman who is definitely NOT running for POTUS
Yoo Ching - An elder Manchurian who is the top aide and consultant to Schtuppen.
SCENE: A cavernous chamber in an underground super-bunker, a secret number of miles below Munich. Its walls are dark and embedded with many thousands diamonds and precious stones, though it is otherwise sparsely decorated. On the far wall is a huge fireplace of polished black stonework, adorned with a thousand human skulls. A flame fills the fireplace, casting a red glow about the chamber. Klautzen Schtuppen and Yoo Ching enter stage right (house left). An automatic door slides shut behind them. Schtuppen, in uncomfortable looking brown leather pants, sports a wide-ribbed charcoal-gray leather jacket with exaggerated shoulders, giving him the look one might find on the cover a science fiction paperback from the nineteen-fifties. Yoo Ching wears a plain white tuxedo.
SCHTUPPEN: It's kind of hot down here. Do we need the fireplace?
YOO CHING: Flame give off no heat. It is fakery. Hologram, you see. Problem is, we are so close to earth core it require enough power to run a small city just to keep it cool.
SCHTUPPEN: Why is that?
YOO CHING: Is because you insisted that your ZLUUBEN be located far enough below surface that you could foment nuclear war and survive it in stupendous luxury.
SCHTUPPEN: Did I? Hmmm... Does that include ALL OUT Nuclear war?
YOO CHING: Of course. And Global Famine, Pandemic, Total Economic Collapse, World War Three... Whatever is on the Menu.
SCHTUPPEN: Excellent! And ZLUUBEN? What is that again?
YOO CHING: It stand for Ztupendously Luxurious Underground Uber Bunker. You made acronym up yourself.
SCHTUPPEN: Did I? I zeem to have forgotten... Oh, of course. It is zomething I planned long ago... Yes! Now I remember. I added the extra E-N at the end to make it zound more Germanic.
YOO CHING: Correct.
SCHTUPPEN (looking around): I like the red glow. Nice effect. It reminds me of zomething...
YOO CHING: Zhoe Biden televised address to American public.
SCHTUPPEN: That's it! Thank you, Yoo.
At that moment a chime is heard. They both look toward the door.
YOO CHING: That will be your mistress. She has only just arrived from District of Columbia, United States.
SCHTUPPEN: Ah, yummy! You may leave now, Yoo.
Yoo Ching bows, then turns to exit the chamber. Moments later Kahla-LAH Hamass enters, wearing a light trench coat. Once fully inside the chamber she drops the trench coat to the floor, revealing a crimson negligee. She takes another step forward and does a turn, showing off her curves.
SCHTUPPEN: Kah-la-la-la-LAH! You look ravishing!
Schtuppen produces a cell phone and taps it a few times. A huge black oaken bed floats down from above and settles in the middle of the chamber. The door to the chamber slides shut and a heavy bolt is heard slamming into place. Kahla-LAH walks up to Schtuppen and they embrace.
SCHTUPPEN: I have a zurprise for you, my dear.
He walks to a side table and opens a twenty-four inch square envelope and removes a large black, translucent ring. He then positions it over his head and it floats there, suspended like the rings of Saturn, girding his gleaming, bald head about an inch above his pointy ears. It maintains its position automatically as he moves about, and has lit up to display a dramatic rendering of the zodiac.
KAHLA-LAH: Oh Joy, Klautzen! That is so... you!
SCHTUPPEN (beaming): Does it make me look extra diabolical?
KAHLA-LAH: Oh my darling! Uber, UBER diabolical! How does it stay in place?
SCHTUPPEN: I had magnetic studs embedded in my skull so it hovers in place. Nice effect, eh?
KAHLA-LAH: Very. But won't it get in the way when we make love?
SCHTUPPEN: Not at all. I can position it at any angle with a special app on my phone. It can be tilted up so we can kiss, if that is your conzern.
A small, round table rises from beneath the floor, upon which a bottle of red wine and two glasses are set. Schtuppen pours two glasses and hands one to Kahla-LAH. They move to the edge of the bed to make a toast.
SCHTUPPEN: To Evil.
They clink their glasses and sip.
SCHTUPPEN: So Kahla-LAH, how was your descent?
KAHLA-LAH: Quite pleasant, actually. I was so exhausted from the flight over that I slept for nearly three hours. I spent the rest of the six-and-a-half-hour descent between the spa and the video game room. You amaze me, Klautzen. Only you could have thought of an elevator with bedrooms and a spa and...
SCHTUPPEN: Wait till you see what we have planned for the new shaft we'll be opening up under Den Haag. That one will have all the amenities of the one here plus a swimming pool.
KAHLA-LAH: It must cost a fortune. It seems it would take all the money in the world to build such colossal things. Not to mention the energy.
SCHTUPPEN: Well my dear, you must consider all our sources. The UN, the Federal Reserve, the compounded interest on the US national debt, the graft from all the subsidized green energy, trillions in new taxes from our climate crisis fear mongering, leftover monies printed for the pandemic, kickbacks from all the dictators we have installed worldwide. Wall Street, London... do you have any idea how much capital is run through London? Switzerland? Offshore banks? We get an increasingly large piece of it all. Now consider the huge, unaccounted-for military and intelligence budgets. And thanks to the pandemic we were able to destroy thousands of small businesses and prop up our partners in warehousing and shipping with billions and billions in added revenues. In short, we DO own "all the money in the world."
KAHLA-LAH: It's... it's just so...
SCHTUPPEN: Evil?
KAHLA-LAH: Yes, but...
SCHTUPPEN: Meanwhile the world is being systematically destroyed. All according to plan. Chaotic migration, crime, terror, war, climate hysteria, pandemic fears, you name it. We will soon manipulate the weather... It's all in the playbook.
KAHLA-LAH: So it really IS a conspiracy...
SCHTUPPEN: Well, yes and no. Some conspiracies are necessary, of course. But the majority of our agreements are pure conniving. You see, conspiracies are messy and involve very careful vetting. You must trust your co-conspirators one hundred percent and take immense precautions so that you never get caught. Think of all the known conspiracies of the past where large numbers of the conspirators and hapless witnesses had to be eliminated. That's a lot of wet work. But when you are practiced in the art of conniving those stresses are eliminated. It's actually more evil, to be sure. But highly effective.
KAHLA-LAH: How so?
SCHTUPPEN: Well, when you conspire you join with others for specific, selfish goals. You hatch your plot, and your success depends upon how well you execute, and of course you are screwed if you get caught. But when you connive there is no residue. Conniving is... well, it's just more vile. There's a level of vileness to it that conspiracy cannot even approach. One: In a conspiracy you may be indifferent to your enemies; but when you are conniving, you truly despise them. Two: You rely on the same entrenched depravity and corruption shared among your co-connivers. You make no explicit deals with them because you already know "the deal", so to speak. Thus you deny your enemies an even playing field, and though they can clearly point out what you're up to, they have no proof of conspiracy. Three: Then you laugh in their faces, and all your co-connivers - the media, your propagandists, celebrities, shameless politicians, judges, lawyers - all of them can pile on with no fear of repercussions. You've seen this play out thousands of times I'm sure. And finally, Number Four: Fools smell blood in the water and join the feeding frenzy, elated with the ease with which they can join the winning side and torment the opposition. Conniving on this scale is the height of the black art, and we have mastered it.
KAHLA-LAH (giggles): Can we actually drink blood sometime?
SCHTUPPEN: Um, perhaps... But listen! Our tentacles are everywhere. We have even managed to corrupt the Libertarians via some high-placed moles in their organization. It dawned upon Yoo Ching one day that the Libertarians had the potential to attract millions of people with their simple, appealing message. He said that the message was powerful enough and their numbers zignificant enough that if they overcame some minor divisions within their ranks that appeal could snowball, and no candidate for high office would have a chance without their blessing. We could not abide that, so we set about exacerbating those differences, ultimately sowing confusion among them. It was quite simple when you look at it. We infiltrated their upper ranks and got them bickering amongst themselves over minutia. Distinctions between immigration, illegal immigration, migration and so on. They could have shrugged it all off and threw their support to a sensible policy but instead they were cowed into open borders, even going so far as to turn a blind eye to welfare for illegals at the expense of the taxpayer! Then we corralled them into some nonsensical positions in which many of them were actually SUPPORTING our censorship efforts. So, in essence, their libertarian center was kaput. We denied them the ability to define their own essence. Their membership suffered, and we zwooped in. And on top of it they never realized how abzurd it was for them to be running candidates for POTUS, which only diluted opportunities to align with any libertarian seeds within the major parties. We saw to their impotence. They never realized the strength they could have had. They wavered, and we are the victors!
KAHLA-LAH: The authors of confusion! And now we are poised, dare I say, to rule the world!
SCHTUPPEN: Yes! For a thousand years. And yet that is nothing compared to what might soon come to pass. Yoo Ching has explained to me wonders I could never have imagined. We will one day open a shaft right underneath CERN in Switzerland.
KAHLA-LAH: You mean the Super Duper Collider?
SCHTUPPEN: It's just Zuper Collider, I think. Anyway, when we have full control of CERN, Yoo Ching informs me that we can harness the energy to destroy the whole universe.
HAHLA-LAH (giggles): Wow, I never imagined... but what happens then?
SCHTUPPEN: Quite simply, we transition to an ALTERNATE universe. One where, say, I can be the ruler of the galaxy.
KAHLA-LAH: And I, perhaps the first Evil Woman President of the United States?
SCHTUPPEN (hesitates): Well, it pains me to disappoint you but, that is not possible. You see, according to Yoo Ching there already has been an alternate universe in which the first Evil Woman POTUS was elected.
KAHLA-LAH (frowns): That's just not fair.
SCHTUPPEN: Just be thankful you weren't born there. Yes, she was beyond evil; her wickedness was exponential... But it was not to last. It seems she gave a huge celebration after she took the election. It entailed the biggest fireworks display ever in Nova York City. And when it was all over, and all the sparks of the grand finale had zettled to the river, and all the peons and useful idiots were shouting and applauding and blowing their horns, then all of a sudden a zuper bright streak of blinding light went clear across the sky and well, the whole earth was blown to zmithereens. KA-BOOM! Gone in an instant.
KAHLA-LAH (her eyes widen and she starts giggling): Oh, that's SO unfair! How...
SCHTUPPEN: Yoo Ching has explained. Most likely a very large asteroid slammed into the earth at that moment. Yoo has posited that there are rare, unstable universes in which the inhabitants can create a situation that is so obscene and unthinkable that the planet itself simply has an obligation to zelf-destruct.
KAHLA-LAH (sighs): Yoo Ching is very smart.
SCHTUPPEN: Yes, he is. It is good to have him around.
Momentarily the intercom comes alive, filling the chamber with the sound of crickets chirping. Kahla-LAH looks about the chamber for the source of the sound.
SCHTUPPEN: Ah! Dinner is zerved!
KAHLA-LAH (visibly recoils): Hey, wait a minute lover boy...
SCHTUPPEN (laughing heartily): Don't worry my dear. I set that up just to see your reaction. I'm sorry - I just couldn't resist playing a little joke on you. Of course your meal will be ztupendous! Anything you could possibly desire. I have enlisted the finest chefs in Europe.
Kahla-LAH breathes a sigh of relief and looks askance at Schtuppen. Schtuppen then starts laughing again, a sonorous, diabolical tone. Kahla-LAH starts giggling, which soon becomes uncontrollable. Their laughter continues to rise to an other-worldly cacophony, echoing throughout the chamber as the curtain falls.
END
One can argue the imperial presidency started with the dictator Abraham Lincoln.
But that would take too much cerebral exercise for a dimwit like Greenhut.
Department of Government Efficiency, or Disinformation Governance Board - which is more Imperious?
Crossfire Hurricane, or renaming the Gulf of America - which is more Imperious?
Firing Executive Branch Workers Workers, or stealing hundreds of billions our taxes and giving it to Donors and leftist NGOs to fund an actual Great Replacement?
Three Strikes and the leftists are OUT!
Nice pitching!
"But the situation is more perilous in our current dystopian world. The separation of powers embodies the essence of our Constitution."
Steven, I don't see it. Everything after the word "perilous" is what someone says they believe, not what they actually DO in pursuit of their beliefs, so please spare us your angst. The separation of powers USED TO BE the essence of our Constitution before it was trashed long ago. I don't see what difference the rate at which what is left of the Constitution is destroyed by executive order makes - gradually over a hundred years or quickly now; or the brazenness of the President who executes it. Since there are no longer any realistic restraints on Executive power and since the Supreme Court abandoned any pretense of actually applying the founding principles embodied in the Constitution long ago the only thing that matters these days is WHAT the President decides to order, not how.
I thought this publication was supposed to be "Libertarian"? I am not seeing it at all in this article. I guess the term is subjective in these shifty times.
Remember this guy has a thought process that keeps him in California.
I've always enjoyed movies and TV shows about parallel universes
Is there one where this magazine is libertarian?
Maybe the original book version?
To my fellow commenters: who was it that yesterday posted "Long Live the King"?
I'm thrilled to see the administrative state get a major wing clipping, and POTUS being the head of the Article II Executive Branch, it's within his powers to do so. But please spare us the boorish chatter, the childish bullying of our neighbors, friends and allies. Trump is no libertarian, nor even conservative, by any standards. He is a wannabe Hamilton who would be king.
""He is a wannabe Hamilton who would be king.""
I blame Lin-Manuel.
Lin-Manuel .... the only reason 90 % of the American public has any knowledge of Hamilton.
I think the $10 bill might have more influence.
And your evidence for Trump wanting to be king?
Use of the executive order at a rate that will put him in the category of Wilson and FDR for using his signature solo rather than collaborating with Congress.
You do realize that most of his executive orders undo older executive orders by Biden and Obama, and those that don't pertain to the domain of the executive, those within the executive branch?
A king would just make law for all without Congress. He's not doing that. Biden did.
moved
@Steven Greenhut
Do you understand the word "apogee"? Perhaps Trump is pushing the upper limits, but all that it will take is for another president to take it one small step farther to render your assertion utterly moot. Or perhaps Trump's conduct will enliven a reformation that will reign in presidential power and render your conception of "the imperial presidency" moot.
Only in the latter will Trump have taken the concept to its apogee. More likely, the former will just demonstrate that Trump is just another booster pushing the imperial presidency to greater heights.
I am old enough to notice that leftists and Democrats only seem to bring up "Imperial Presidency" when they are out of power.
Pfffft.....
"HE'S HOLLOWING OUT [OUR] public ([Na]tional So[zi]alist) institutions (Empire)!!!"
That's why he's such an ?Imperialist? President.
Leftardville - Where Up is Down and Left is Right.
Amazing just how dumb sheeple can get from media indoctrination.
Along those lines, let's say some weird vortex blows in from the, er, Gulf of America
Why'd you say "er?" Why did you hesitate?
Instead of governing in the typical misguided way that every presidential administration has operated in the post-war era, President Harris decides to echo the approach of Real World President Donald Trump and govern by edict.
Were you going somewhere with that thought experiment? Because it seems to have ended quite abruptly having made no point.
It's like you were setting up a hypothetical to get us to think about Trump - but then you just immediately abandoned it to *checks notes* just call Orange Man Bad a nazi. Albeit slightly more polite than most lefties do.
While I agree with some of Trump's stated goals in slashing the federal behemoth, it's crucial that such efforts—and I do believe most of these current efforts are flashes in the pan or attempts to replace civil servants with MAGA loyalists—follow proper legal procedures.
This never gets old.
Leftists in power: "If we don't [Insert Leftist Agenda], we're facing an existential threat! If we don't Do Something™ immediately, then Bad Things™! We have to act now! The ends justify the means!"
Leftists not in power: "The procedures exist for a reason! They must follow procedure! Dot every I and cross every T, sign every form in triplicate, and don't forget to double-stamp the triple-stamp! Anything not reaching Vogon-levels of proceduralism is wrong!"
Like, you genuinely think it's not plainly obvious how disingenuous you are when you say, "I agree, but..."
Perhaps Trump's most blatantly unconstitutional action was his attempted abolition of birthright citizenship. Hint: One cannot change the Constitution by executive order.
A) It's not unconstitutional; B) abolishing birthright citizenship wouldn't require any change to the Constitution.
You are, of course, just mindlessly regurgitating the 14A claptrap that your echo chamber has fed you - conspicuously ignoring when 14A was established and why.
Remember that 14A is nestled snugly between its two companions, 13A and 15A. Those three were a package deal, and 14A was about establishing the indisputable citizenship of all those fine folks who were "born or naturalized in the US" but all of a sudden were now considered people instead of property, thanks to 13A. (And 15A similarly secured their right to vote. All so that there would be no chicanery now that slavery is abolished and former slaves are now full-fledged members of American society.)
How could this POSSIBLY be interpreted as equally intended for rampaging hordes of border jumping criminals coming in by the millions to lay down anchors? Heck, how could it even be interpreted as intended for birth tourists?
Answer: it can't. And you know it. But that won't stop you from intentionally bastardizing the words and intent of 14A.
Fortunately, the courts have so far blocked this dictatorial impulse.
Yea, the Ninth Circuit. The courts of Clown World.
Nobody takes them seriously. Especially SCOTUS.
But if Harris were in charge, wouldn't conservatives hope for judicial scrutiny?
No, we'd all be peeing our pants every day as she tries (fails) to string together sentences containing whatever term was on her Word Of The Day calendar, and not come off sounding like a gibbering retard while doing it.
(And let's not kid ourselves, even when Kamalamadingdong was de facto in charge, she wasn't in charge. And everybody knew it.)
Yet Vice President J.D. Vance argued recently on X: "...Judges aren't allowed to control the executive's legitimate power."
They're not. They can point out when the executive has exeeded that power and enjoin him from doing those things, but they can't control lawful exercises of it.
Now, that said, as it applies to birthright citizenship - I do think that's more Congress' rodeo than the President's. Which, to that end, the President should say to them, "Put a bill on my desk that ends birthright citizenship. That's the first bill I intend to sign. I will pocket veto literally every other one you send me until I get that one. In the meantime, DOGE has no leash and I'll bet some of you will face prison time when my autsitic friend and his shiny new chainsaw are done. Something to think about."
If he doesn't stick to that, why not just make the president a king and be done with it?
Because he doesn't aim to be
the Fuhrer"a king." That's a prejudice you're imposing on him that does not fit with the reality of his first month of being back in office.President Donald Trump on Friday evening fired Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. CQ Brown, Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Lisa Franchetti and Air Force Vice Chief of Staff Gen. Jim Slife.
https://www.militarytimes.com/pentagon/2025/02/22/trump-fires-joint-chiefs-chairman-navy-head-in-dod-leadership-purge/
Well, the coup has gotten out of 1st gear.
If a coup were in gear, he'd have flunkies in place to take their spots.
He doesn't.
He's just straight up firing the diversity hires.
Gen. Charles Q. Brown Jr., a four-star fighter pilot known as C.Q. who became only the second African American to hold the chairman’s job, is to be replaced by a little-known retired three-star Air Force general, Dan Caine, who endeared himself to the president when they met in Iraq six years ago.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/21/us/politics/trump-fires-cq-brown-pentagon.html
Cite to NYT! *drink*
"General Caine is an accomplished pilot, national security expert, successful entrepreneur, and a 'warfighter' with significant interagency and special operations experience," Trump wrote, adding that Caine "was instrumental in the complete annihilation of the ISIS caliphate."
Seems to qualify him for the job.
Brown's ouster appeared increasingly likely following the confirmation of Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. Prior to his nomination, Hegseth had called for Brown to be removed, alleging he supported a "woke" agenda that undermined military readiness.
"First of all, you've got to fire the chairman of the Joint Chiefs," Hegseth said during an appearance in November on the Shawn Ryan Show.
We want Trump listening to his advisers, right?
Before becoming Joint Chiefs chairman, Brown pushed for the military to streamline its bureaucracy and also increase recruitment by attracting Americans from more diverse backgrounds.
DEI hire, DEI goals, DEI destruction. Clearly he had to be shown the door. And if you read Orange Man's tweet on the subject, he was actually pretty kind about it.
In 2020 — as he was awaiting confirmation to serve as Air Force chief of staff — he gained national attention for a passionate video message about race that he shared as the nation was grappling with the police killing of George Floyd.
Oof.
Yea, that's NPR, by the way. In case you want to whine about the source.
He’s couping himself?
Do you know what words mean?