Could School Choice Work at the Federal Level?
A nationwide tax credit could expand education freedom overnight—but could also open the door to new forms of federal overreach.

President Donald Trump's recent executive order indicates that school choice is on the way for military families and students in the Bureau of Indian Education, but there's momentum building in Congress for something even bolder: a federal tax credit scholarship program that would unleash school choice across all 50 states. For those who support education freedom, this might seem like the holy grail of K-12 policy—but there's good reason to be wary of federal involvement in school choice.
The Educational Choice for Children Act (ECCA) proposes tax credits for individuals and businesses that donate to scholarship-granting organizations (SGOs)—nonprofits responsible for awarding funding to students. Households with an income not greater than 300 percent of the area median gross income would be eligible to receive funding. The program would initially be capped at $10 billion—enough to give about 2 million students $5,000 each. Families could use these dollars on a variety of educational expenses, including private school tuition, tutoring, and homeschooling curricula.
Tax credit scholarships are a fixture at the state level. Twenty-two states have similar policies in place, and scholarships are paid for with private contributions, not public dollars. The ECCA goes to impressive lengths to protect families and SGOs against burdensome regulations, including promising "maximum freedom to provide for the needs of the participants without governmental control" and barring the ability of "any Federal, State, or local government entity…to mandate, direct, or control any aspect of any scholarship granting organization."
The potential upside of the bill is huge. Overnight, millions of students could gain access to public school alternatives, dealing a significant blow to the teachers unions' stranglehold over K-12 education. For families in places like California, New York, and Connecticut—blue states with little hope of adopting school choice—the ECCA could provide an immediate lifeline, especially for those who might struggle to afford private options.
Families in states with existing school choice programs—like Arkansas, New Hampshire, and West Virginia—would also benefit since funds from the federal program could be combined with dollars from state programs. School choice participants receive less funding than public school students, and extra resources would give families even more options and help cultivate a more robust marketplace of K-12 providers.
It's easy to see why school choice advocates are lining up to support the ECCA. But in the long run, inviting the federal government into school choice could prove detrimental.
The ECCA would make private providers vulnerable to far-reaching regulations that fundamentally change the K-12 marketplace. Because scholarships aren't funded with public dollars, private schools couldn't be regulated directly under the program. But they could be caught in the crosshairs if federal lawmakers decided to target SGOs, such as by regulating how they operate or establishing requirements for where scholarship dollars can go.
Private schools that grow dependent on federal dollars could then be forced to comply with federal dictates around admissions, testing, curricula, and countless other things. Regulations like these would make private schools more like public schools, reducing the benefits of school choice and offering families fewer meaningful options. While similar threats exist for state-level school choice programs, giving the public school lobby a one-stop shop in D.C. would raise the stakes for everyone. Burdensome mandates would no longer be confined to just one state and could easily affect thousands of private providers. Because the most likely path to passing the ECCA is through budget reconciliation, it would be even easier for opponents to uproot the bill's safeguards.
For those who want educational freedom, the federal government has a legitimate constitutional role in providing more options to military families, students attending Bureau of Indian Education schools, and those living in D.C. But that's where its involvement in school choice should end. The ECCA, as crafted, provides little cause for concern—but there's virtually no chance it will stay that way for long.
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I see 3 glaringly-poor assumptsions here
1) The organic law that created public schools mandated religous eduction, the one thing parents can't get now at all
Art. 3. Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.
2) those who teach and thoise who make the laws about teaching are record-breakers in avoiding those very schools !!!!
====?> Public School Teachers: Nationally, more than 20% of public school teachers with school-age children enroll them in private schools, or almost twice the 11% rate for the general public. Philadelphia Public School Teachers: 44% enroll their own children in private schools, or four times the national average.
====> 40 percent of members of the House and 49 percent of members of the Senate send or have sent at least one of their children to a private school.
3) "Private schools that grow dependent on federal dollars could then be forced to comply with federal dictates" -- this is girded and underlain by federal rules about who can teach, by things like FEMA coming to a school after a natural disaster and the school ever after having to uphold federal laws, and the totally useless certification agencies who blackmail colleges over certification.
4) and there is a 4th that the asshole Biden joked about
"A 2017 study from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York found that the average tuition increase associated with expansion of student loans is as much as 60 cents per dollar. That is, more federal aid to students enables colleges to raise tuition more."
Now if you say that expensive federal study was wrong --- YOU ARE MAKING MY POINT !!!!!! The money, the tuition, the studies -- ALL forces for confusion
Consider the parents of CFPB , four rather terrible people
Fauxcohantas Sen Warren
Sen CHirstopher Dodd "Whether Dodd's mortgage deal through Countrywide Financial was a sweetheart deal revealing a sense of privilege or just a badly handled misstep, it brought his popularity down, according to a Quinnipiac University Poll, and it may have had a greater impact because of the recession." Our family had a huge runiin with Coutnbrywide , they were going to push us into bankrupty. Thankfully a family member was close to a WSJ economist writer, who gave them a call, said he would publicize what they were doing -we got a call the next day dropping everything. IF Dodd was in cahoots you can bet CFPB winked at many things
Barney Frank, a homosexual of no morals . Corrupt, a liar, a friend of big money
https://www.judicialwatch.org/corruption-scandals-caught-barney-frank/
Then we get CFPB director Richard Cordray, after destroying the public image of CFPB went on to destory FAFSA and resign. BUkt Bidne thought him a brilland and wonderful leader.
Which is like when a pig complains that something smells funny.
Get education out of the federal government. It's fucking failed policy. STOP FUCKING DOING IT!!!
Return it to the states where it belongs. Full stop.
Not even the states. Local, or not at all.
Why should we be giving a tax credit across the country when the education of children is wildly different in both scope and costs?
Not even local, private.
Welcome to Reason.
NITHING works at the federal level.
Laughing Kremlin Insiders Say Trump Has Given Putin Greenlight to Expand the War
https://www.thedailybeast.com/laughing-kremlin-insiders-say-trump-has-given-putin-greenlight-to-expand-the-war/
Vlad's investment into Donnie is paying off. Add the pro-Soviet Tulsi in at National Security and he is now free-balling.
Do you ever tire of being a Bushpig and shill for the military-industrial complex?
Nope.
I can see why you, Liz and Dick Cheney, and the entirety of W's war cabinet voted for Kamala, warpig. Imagine the gall of Trump attempting to broker a viable peace deal between Russia and the Ukraine. You must be apoplectic. All your Raytheon stock is going to go down.
I don't understand the MAGA adoration of Putin. Maybe you could explain it.
Tucker Carlson worships Vlad.
And you worship war.
Putin has respect, but you confuse that with adoration.
Strictly speaking for myself: Putin can only gain this by bumping off his tool Erdogan, invading Istanbul in the name of Christendom, and re-taking the Hagia Sophia.
Nobody "adores" Putin, Warpig.
We just don't want to watch tens of thousands of young men get turned into hamburger for the sake of your shares in Raytheon and General Dynamics.
You will find probably 30 million people who qualify as your MAGA who have no idea what to think about Putin. THey hate war and indicscriminate killing, they hate Biden sending untold BILLIONS ($350 BN by one count) with no oversight...maybe they wouldn't have Putin over for dinner but your point is untestable
Aborto-Freak Louisiana Governor wants to prosecute doctor for prescription - carries 15 year sentence
New York Gov. Kathy Hochul rejected a request to extradite a doctor who was charged with prescribing abortion pills online to a Louisiana resident last month.
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"I will not be signing an extradition order that came from the governor of Louisiana, not now, not ever,” Hochul said at a news conference Thursday after her office received the order for the abortion provider, Dr. Margaret Carpenter.
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NBC News obtained a copy of the extradition warrant, which Louisiana Gov. Jeff Landry signed Tuesday.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ny-gov-hochul-rejects-louisiana-extradition-doctor-abortion-pill-case-rcna192156
Dipshit, the mother and the doctor forced an abortion on a young lady who did not want the abortion and wanted to keep the kid. This is called murder, asshole.
That "young lady" is 13 years old.
You authoritarians won't stop at state borders. I'm glad Hochul is standing up against government tyranny.
13 is a minor, something you know all too well, pedo.
My guess is the kiddie porn he posted the link to, that got his initial account banned, had children younger than 13, but I’m not sure.
Buttplug: "That "young lady" is 13 years old."
I thought that counted as an 'old lady' for a guy like you?
Young lady is a polite way to speak of a teenager, you little globalist Bushpig bitch. And the tyranny here is from Hochul.
Parents should have the right to forbid a young daughter from bearing a child. This is within their right to make medical decisions for their children. A thirteen-year-old is not competent to choose to be mother.
4 !!!! Logic errors in what you say
1) You don't have the right to make your child the killer of a baby
Victims and Victors: Speaking Out About Their Pregnancies, Abortions, and Children Resulting from Sexual Assault 2000
by Sobie Reardon, Makimaa
2) Every state in the union has Abortion Coercion laws.
Forcing a woman to have an abortion, including a minor, is illegal in all 50 states of the United States of America. The Justice Foundation’s Center Against Forced Abortions (CAFA) was created to provide educational resources to empower women who are being forced, unduly pressured, or coerced into an unwanted abortion. Any individual who attempts to use force or coercion could be subject to criminal or civil liability including child abuse, fetal homicide, domestic partner violence, etc.
3) You say parents as if nobody divorces. Divorce correlates to out-of-wedlock births and also brings in rights of 'parents' no longer married.
4) Not a word from you about help for those who don't want to follow your Diktat. Do you ever help someone who does not want to abort or you one of these "kill to show I'm open-minded' types
A fetus isn't legally a person so it has no rights so it's not murder that's why abortions aren't illegal.
It is a human being, unrepeatable ever again and it is taking a human life. Anyway, the whole world laughed at people like you before the Feds usurped existing law
"First, dictionaries of common and legal usage at the time of the Fourteenth Amendment’s adoption defined the terms “person” and “human being” interchangeably. Thus, the original public meaning of the term “person” included every member of the human race. Second, centuries of common-law precedent and state practice leading up to the Fourteenth Amendment’s adoption in 1868 indicate that the unborn were considered legal persons. Third, the authors of the Fourteenth Amendment expected it to protect every human being—especially the weakest and most marginalized. This “original expected application” is indicative of the original public meaning and demonstrates that informed citizens believed that the text of the Fourteenth Amendment applied to every human without exception."
"Aborto-Freak"
Are the "Aborto-Freak's" the ones who want to kill viable fetuses and sell their little arms, legs and organs on the open market, or are they the ones against that?
Confused here.
First you say it bars federal micromanaging. Then you say the feds could micromanage them.
Well, shit. They micromanage everything already. They could micromanage more tomorrow, whether or not this law is passed. I fail to see how this is worse micromanaging.
I'd just as soon get government out of schools altogether -- don't set standards, don't control financing, don't do nuttin'. And I understand the perils of top-down instead of bottom-up control. But those two arguments are contradictory.
Again:
In other words, this law could be changed later to be just as bad as today. That means don't ever try anything new and better because it might be reverted tomorrow?
Don't let the camel get its nose under the tent.
Yeah, let’s not let the nose of the federal government get into education! God you’re so dumb.
I think you and the author are both right. I'm with you that this is an attempt to do good, and any move toward school choice (and away from the status quo) is a win. Though I do have strong reservations about adding more federal funding, including via tax credits, that will inevitably inflate the price of private schools.
But the author is right that this opens them up to future manipulation. Though, of course, he doesn't say the obvious part out loud. The problem is the inevitable return to power of DEMOCRATS who are already responsible for every existing ill in public education.
Ultimately I agree with you that we should try it out. Public education certainly couldn't be any worse. And when the Democrats do start meddling at the behest of their union masters, private schools can refuse the funding and lay the blame at the feet of the people responsible. As we saw in Virginia, dicking with education is the only thing that shakes woke white and black ladies out of their stupor.
But that's my point! He is worried that "this opens them up to future manipulation", but it doesn't do that; they are already open to future regulation. This is not a constitutional amendment, it's just a law, and any future law which could change this could also do the dirty deed from scratch.
I don't want any government involvement in schools, not at any level, not funding or control or testing or anything. But this law doesn't make future regulation more or less likely.
Agreed.
What?! I ranted for nothing?
Fuck. Thanks a lot. Argggh!
My pleasure, LOL. Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
tax credits...will inevitably inflate the price of private schools.
The only way to ameliorate that would be to make it easier to start new schools. Lots of people, including many former teachers, would be interested in getting some of that money if barriers to entry were lowered.
Did you know that after FEMA helps a school it must observe Consitution Day every Septermber by law ? Our shcool laughs at that but hate to see it go to court under cover of something else they don't like about my school
It’s just another example of Reason’s new style guide:
Icky people are achieving or promoting things that we’ve been impotently advocating for so we must attack them.
See: Yesterday’s article calling free speech a culture war issue.
Sullum’s near daily attacks against Doge.
Why are we asking this?
Why are we not asking why we pay 90 percent of our taxes to the feds but 90 percent of our services are are supplied by the state? Why not just pay that tax money to the state instead?
Because the feds discovered that they can get around enumerated powers by making states pass laws as a condition for getting back money that was taken from the people of the state. That’s how we got things like highway speed limits, the drinking age, and a host of other state laws and programs.
This bill would add charter schools to the long list of things the feds control through telling states to pass laws as a condition of getting the money.
Because if they didn't collect and redistribute (some of) the funds at the federal level, they couldn't create 30 new bureaucracies with 200,000 guaranteed Democrat votes.
A massive chunk of your federal taxes goes back to your community as grants and other programs. Some goes to the state for them to use to administer programs. Why can’t the states just do it all themselves? Because without federal nudging some states just won’t have those programs. Some states would have no UI, no or very bare bones healthcare for the poor or elderly, no food assistance for children, and their schools would be even more shit than they are now. Gerrymandering and voter suppression prevents the voters to do anything about it. So it is left to the federal government to ensure that everyone in the US gets a basic level of services.
What a weird defense of an authoritarian state. Feds have to tax and reallocate so they have control. What a statist retard.
You say "authoritarian", I say "not letting children starve and people go without healthcare."
You actually said
In other words, I and my buddy Uncle Sam know what's better for everybody than they do or state governments do, so let's waste a zip-ton of money redistributing some small fraction in order to keep PhD physicists employed in a job with so much free time that they spend all day lecturing the plebes about political and legal matters.
A clear example of a PhD physicist straying outside her lane because the PhD drained every iota of common sense and ability to learn from her brain.
Yet you don't feed other people's children or pay for other people's healthcare.
I agree. You say a lot of retarded shit like false appeals to emotion to defend authoritarianism.
Government isn't anything but a monopoly of 'Gun' FORCE.
'Guns' don't make sh*t.
The only kind of person who thinks 'Guns' is the tool to use to feed children and supply healthcare is a 'armed-theft' CROOK.
Which ironically is provided inside prison walls.
Exactly where CROOKS belong.
You're just pitching legalized crime.
If you have to be a criminal to survive there is a place you can be that.
You just can't run-around being a criminal without any consequence.
"Why can’t the states just do it all themselves?"
Yes.
"Because without federal nudging some states just won’t have those programs"
Good.
" Some states would have no UI, no or very bare bones healthcare for the poor or elderly, no food assistance for children, and their schools would be even more shit than they are now"
Prognostication and an appeal to emotion. Charities and religious orgs would fill the gap like they did in the past, in fact your precious big government is failing at that so charities are having to do it right now.
You're not libertarian, Tony. Not even remotely. What are you even doing here? Missionary work? Fifty-centing?
I am not libertarian, but I do agree with them on some stuff.
What "stuff", because I've yet to see any.
Remember, there's plenty of censorious totalitarians, socialists and corporatists who are absolutely okay with drugs, prostitution, ass sex and food trucks, so those are not specifically libertarian viewpoints.
So what do you agree with that is libertarian?
Your definition of libertarian is sucking on Trump's cock.
Your definition of libertarian is marching into Poland or annexing the Sudetenland.
If Trump suggested it, you'd defend it.
Sarc, your capacity for creating strawmen and having one of the worst cases of TDS is unmatched.
"TRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUMP!!!"
Trump could cure cancer, eliminate the debt and invent time travel tomorrow and you'd find a way to bitch about it, drunky.
You’re the one that bitterly masturbates to a photo of him every day
I agrees with libertinism. Freedom from responsibility.
Stuff like "today is saturday".
As libertarian as Sarc then.
Your evidence sarc is sober enough to know it's Saturday?
>A massive chunk of your federal taxes goes back to your community as grants and other programs.
I know this. I said this in my fucking post. Why did you not read it?
>Because without federal nudging some states just won’t have those programs. Some states would have no UI, no or very bare bones healthcare for the poor or elderly, no food assistance for children, and their schools would be even more shit than they are now. Gerrymandering and voter suppression prevents the voters to do anything about it. So it is left to the federal government to ensure that everyone in the US gets a basic level of services.
1. Most of that *isn't* 'basic level of government services'.
2. Why Americans? Why not pay this money to Mexicans? They're poorer. Or do borders suddenly matter again?
3. Why can't the rich states take their extra tax money and give grants to the poor states? Why is their an assumption that this has to go through the federal government?
3. Because the amount of effort to administer grant programs in all the more affluent states would be almost comically inefficient. Better to have one central organization to administer it.
Like the UN perchance?
"Better to have one central organization to administer it."
Cripes!
Not only are you not libertarian, you're imperialistic.
That's straight up commie shit.
Yes, but Imperialism where they are maintaining and extending of power over other states. The Soviets were imperialistic in that regard.
Which has been shown to be *criminally* inefficient? That's better?
Why would the people in the federal government be better people than the people in state government?
Just because government has much higher fraud and misuse rates than non government entities doesn't mean its inefficient!
And, like, there has never been an instance in history where a single large organization has been more efficient than multiple smaller, independent ones.
I mean, you think the US military would be more efficient if it was one single force rather than multiple independent ones? Would the federal government be more efficient if it was just one massive department managing everything?
Your fetish for centralization is disturbing.
The Borg portrayed this. Their unitary nature made them almost unstoppable, but also incredibly wasteful.
Government is the definition of comical inefficiency and waste. I hear people claim that government spends less to do things because it doesn't "waste" money on profits. Sadly that is not the case. Quite the opposite actually. The way businesses create profits is by rooting out inefficiency and waste. In other words, profits are the price we pay for efficiency. The best way to make an organization inefficient and wasteful is to remove the profit motive, and government has no profit motive.
Thank God. You're finally admitting to being a communist.
Do you realize how inefficient taxes and redistribution are? I read long ago that some federal bureaucracy spent $1 trillion to distribute $200 billion of welfare. I don't have any link, I don't remember which bureaucracy, I don't remember the date other than probably between 10-20 years ago. But one need not read very many budgets to see how much bloat there is.
I read long ago that some federal bureaucracy spent $1 trillion to distribute $200 billion of welfare.
Know how much a trillion is? It's a million millions. Know how much the entire federal payroll is? A trillion? Nope. A billion? Nope. Hundred million? Nope. Fifty million? Nope. Twenty five million? Nope. It's even less than that, and that was before Elon and his wrecking crew came to town. You seem like a fairly rational person who understands math (which puts you two steps above most of the commentariat). Apply rational thinking and math to your claim. Does it seem reasonable?
LOL
In fiscal year 2022, the total cost of the federal government's payroll was about $271 billion. This included compensation for wages and benefits for federal employees.
Sarc thinks the federal payroll is less than what Tom cruise gets paid for a movie.
His weird fetish with defending the deep state while also claiming he isn't is just weird. Expected. But weird.
Bud, that doesn't even pass the back of the envelope smell test.
3 million employees. At $100K each, counting overhead, pension deductions, and all the rest, that's $300 billion.
Or go the other way round. $25 million divided by 3 million employees is ... 8 bucks each! Eight measly bucks for the entire year. And you say it's even less than that!
Like you say, "Apply rational thinking and math to your claim. Does it seem reasonable?"
Nope, not even close.
The alcoholic remains incapable of functioning.
Looks like the word "payroll" really screws up search results because of payroll taxes. Plugging in "salaries" gets a result of around $300B like you said. Which is still less than a third of a trillion.
You're defending the claim that one agency, not the entire federal government but one single agency, spend over three times what is spent on the entire federal payroll today, a couple decades ago.
Really?
You're defending your claim that government employees get paid less than $8 a year, after saying "Apply rational thinking and math to your claim. Does it seem reasonable?"
Really?
I'm not defending that claim. I'm saying I got the info very wrong, but even with the correct info your claim is laughable. So now you're just lying to get attaboys from my hate club. Well done. You'll get a lot of stroking for that.
Hate club? Sarc, as I've said before, we don't hate you. Quite the contrary, we pity you as your rants and knowledge here are so pitiful as not to be believed. We pity the fact that you can't see the world as it is in front of your face; that reality escapes you. We pity the fact that you have one of the worst cases of terminal TDS I've ever seen, and I'm on fucking Twitter. We pity the fact that you keep coming here for abuse and attention because your real life must be either so bad or so dull that this is the attention you want and crave even if it is bad attention.
#Facts.
Also his ignorance, hypocrisy, denials is an interesting psychological study. And hilarious.
Sure you can get it on reddit too, but prefer to study a handful of specimens than an entire herd of insane leftists.
The info...
D.C. has 2.4 to 5 TIMES more wealth than any other State in the Union.
Yet produces NOTHING.
Also, are you justifying federal taxes to cover *unemployment insurance*?
The government UI that crowded out private options?
And wouldn't poor states have concomitantly low unemployment insurance payments because everyone is poor and wasn't making much money anyway?
UI payment levels as a function of prior income is vastly different between states because each state uses a different formula.
And it would be far more efficient and tailored to circumstances if it were private insurance, or people stashed savings for a rainy day.
UI is one of the dumbest possible government interventions in free markets.
Which has nothing to do with what I wrote - again.
Are people not free to move to the state and system of their choice? I know this is what really irks you. Individual choice.
Because without federal nudging some states just won’t have those programs.
Then you won't complain when the feds demand that they turn over the illegals for the money, right?
Thomas Sowell put it something like this
The Feds take a huge cut of your money, waste a lot, send some back to the States and your job is to say "Thank You for the teeny return"
Nothing left to cut
DOGE is firing good people
Bunch of bullshit.
Some of you probably know of Sabine Hossenfelder and her Youtube channel, Science Without The Gobbledegook. She's got a new video out today, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shFUDPqVmTg, reading a letter from a scientist 7 years ago, begging her to reconsider an op-ed she had gotten Nature to publish, condemning the wasted billions of dollars in theoretical physics research. It's worth a listen. Here's a short sample, from one of the most condescending patronizing entitled people you will ever meet. Again, this is not from Sabine, this is the entitled scientist writing to Sabine.
The idea that PhD physicists can't fine gainful employment off the government teat beggars my mind.
But aren't we obligated to ensure that the government waste is cut through 'proper procedures'? Aren't we supposed to get Congress to do this? Isn't that the only legal way?
You know, the Congress that created the problem and benefits from it.
Congress is legally LIMITED by the Supreme Law of the Land.
Congress 'democracy' doesn't legally KILL the US Constitution.
Interagency protocol!
Trump was impeached, and part, because of this.
There are very few jobs for PhD physicists, and it makes it worse that we are highly specialized.
No it doesn't make it worse, YOU made it worse by getting a degree which can only survive by sucking at the government teat.
Are you really such a sorry human being that you can't find gainful employment anywhere else? Are PhDs really so stupid that they can't learn any useful trade?
Bullshit.
Many jobs are government dependent, police, firefighter, anyone in the military, anyone in the judiciary. Jobs that are only for the government are necessary.
Bad bad choices. Firefighters do not need to be government. There are many excellent descriptions of how private firefighters would work, how they used to work and could again. You must have a really piss poor imagination if you cannot imagine such a simple concept. I guess that goes right along with being a PhD whose brain has lost all learning ability yet lectures everybody else on government, politics, and the legal system.
How does particle physics have anything to do with government?
Stop being a parasite. Have some pride in thinking for yourself and earning your own living by being productive.
Know where the term "plug ugly" comes from? It's from they days of private firefighting when the guys who put out the fire got paid by the insurance company. To ensure that their company would be the one to put out the fire, teams would send out "plug uglies" to guard the hydrant until their crew arrived. Meanwhile other crews might show up and the burning would continue. That right there is one of the reasons cities abandoned the private model and created their own fire departments. Because government is bad at most things doesn't mean it's bad at everything and shouldn't do nothing at all. Unless you're an anarchist. But that would make you pretty stupid because anarchy only lasts as long as it takes for gangs of men to use organized violence to steal from people.
Not according to this. Please show your source.
https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/plug-ugly.html
The Plug Uglies were a street gang operating out of Baltimore, Maryland in the 1850s. The notorious Know Nothing Riot, in which political and gang rivalries flared up into mob violence, took place in Baltimore in 1856. Gangs called the Rip Raps, the Know Nothings and the Plug Uglies fought pitched battles in the streets and these events were widely reported at the time.
Hell, he thinks federal employees are paid less than EIGHT BUCKS every year.
Poor sarc.
Where I grew up outside Houston, all of the fire fighters were volunteers. I think the firehouses and equipment were owned by the county or city. So it’s not like there aren’t other examples of ways to do it.
Even still, Molly’s post was fucktarded because most of the stuff she listed is state/local and paid by those taxes, not the federal government.
And all of *those* people have skills that allow them to work outside the government should they choose to.
Why does 8 years of college make you *less* capable than someone who might only have a two year degree?
The only ones being a Supreme Law legal job is the military and judiciary.
You might LEARN something about the USA if you were to actually read the Supreme Law of the Land (the very definition of what a USA is).
And it's rally funny that you opine on all sorts of legal and moral matters as if you are the One True Expert, yet here you claim to be a PhD physicist.
Shit or get off the pot. Either your PhD made you too stupid to stray outside your lane, and we should all laugh and sneer at everything you say which is not related to PhD-level physics ... or you are lying your ass off.
"Doctor of Philosophy". We are well versed in a wide variety of subjects, not just the one we specialize in. Being educated in many subjects is at the core of having a PhD, along with having an big ego.
Then you lied before when you said you had no ability to earn a living outside government.
Which is it?
Specialized? Or "well versed in a wide variety of subjects"?
Legal and political expert? Or physicist?
^THIS.. Yeah. I caught that too and was just about to point it out.
Physicists (Physics) has nothing to do with Philosophy.
I think the "philosophy" must have taught Molly how to Lie.
What a great PhD 'benefit' for society. Learning how to Lie.
Though it fits. Leftards entire platform is how to lie, deceive, manipulate, cheat and hate so they can STEAL from those 'icky' people.
Oh, dear lord. You don't know what a Ph.D. is. You do not have one, let alone a physics one.
Its sad that you're here cosplaying.
Lol. You got a useless degree and now demand others who didn't subsidize you. No wonder you became Marxist.
Too bad that wide variety of subjects didn’t teach you how the fucking federal government is organized through the constitution.
'We'?
Who’s this “we”, retardo?
Nobody buys your a physicist or have a PhD.
And not smart enough to understand your market value if so.
This is Bullshit , I agree. I went to grad school and most students knew beyond doubt that in the open market they would get nothing.
The idea that PhD physicists can't fine gainful employment off the government teat beggars my mind.
In a limited defense, this is true.
Overeducation leads one down the path of being only useful to people who don't care about practicality.
No it doesn't. It does not shut down the capability of learning an actually useful job.
I've learned all sorts of new skills in all my jobs, and gotten new jobs when companies went broke or got bought out.
Are you seriously saying that getting a PhD shuts down all learning centers in the brain? Then I say get rid of all PhD programs, every last one of them. The last thing any country needs is people whose brains have been so desiccated by learning that they are incapable of learning anything new.
What, our brains only have so much learning capability baked in, and school uses it up?
Buncha bullshit.
Are you seriously saying that getting a PhD shuts down all learning centers in the brain?
No. But the topic was employment beyond education or government research, and people who overeducate don't need to try. They view themselves and their work as above "menial" jobs.
So yes, they will have a hard time finding different jobs.
The only reason for having a hard time finding different jobs is because they are a bunch of arrogant condescending entitled fucks who'd rather suck off the government teat. Most of them probably already know how to program computers and know enough mathematics to work in industry. But they don't want that filthy private money, they want government money.
Hence, "limited".
Nope. It is a systemic problem in US society. Many employers will automatically reject applicants who have a PhD, even STEM companies. I know a company (large one) that will reluctantly interview people if they have a Masters degree. It is common for graduate students to see their undergraduate students get jobs that the graduate students can't even get interviews for.
Then don't get a PhD. Don't get it using my taxpayer money. Don't get a job requiring that useless PhD using my taxpayer money.
Leave your PhD off your resume.
Good God, use your imagination! There are all sorts of jobs available if you don't insist on being an elitist asshole.
Earn your way.
Because PhDs aren’t worth any more than a masters and can’t do more than a bachelors because they’ve been in school for far too long and rotted their brains. Most businesses would rather have a bachelors who hasn’t been ruined by the educational system yet.
But they feel much more entitled.
One company I worked at, 100 employees handling court reporters, somehow hired a guy who thought we were going to put him through a Stanford aeronautics PhD program. How he got that idea, I do not know. What he said during interviews, I do not know. I couldn't even find out who had interviewed him. He lasted a month at most.
I have come to the conclusion that stupid people go into PhD programs, not that PhD programs make people stupid.
I'll concur. They go into those programs as they can't function in the real world so they keep to the unreal world of academia. Had one who was a teaching assistant while I was in college. He was the classic perpetual student, never leaving the safety of the academic world.
Because most PhD are shit workers who won't do the job offered because they are entitled shits who believe their own experiments are more important than the company paying them.
Masters degrees on STEM have no issues. It is the 13 year old with no actual useful skills and refuse to do the jobs assigned that struggle. Because of their behaviors.
13 year phd*
TBF, they usually act like spoiled 13 year olds.
It is a systemic problem in US society.
Everything is so unfair!
They can find jobs fine, they just think themselves above the work offered to them.
I've hired 3 PhD the last few years. The end up being some of the worst engineers and we've let 2 of 3 go.
We had to reteach some of our recent hires. They were taught outright lies.
I'd rather have a BSc or Beng with a couple of years of experience than any phd.
They work hard, willing to learn, and didn't spend a decade getting a PhD because they couldn't cut it in industry.
Then I wonder why they don't realize this as the take on loans they can never repay UNLESS they get that job that they know is not likely.
I think you two are arguing about slightly different things.
Yeah. Overeducation cannot completely shutdown a truly motivated, creative mind but then, the structures that build the structure in which overeducation takes root and grows don't attract truly motivated and creative minds.
Why are the trolls here so pissed about the money going away? They’re in on the system and we’re not.
https://x.com/datarepublican/status/1890809231273771305?s=46&t=qeA47-JjK6vq0pfnxg60dA
Elon Musk has accused Democrats of pushing mass illegal immigration to secure one-party rule. He’s probably right. But Republicans are doing the same thing. The International Republican Institute—a GOP-backed NGO—also funds mass migration policies.
That's not controversial on these pages. At all. That's been known. Many on the center right have the same opinions as people on the center left and the far left. It was the Tories that expanded immigration in England to the breaking point. It's only the populist rabble rousers in the GOP (and in the DNC) that are pushing back against it.
It makes up most of CATO now too. Globalists over principles.
Not a day goes by when rank-and-file Republicans aren't damning the RINOs and the GOPe.
The whole reason the GOP has been in the middle of an internal fight is because of the differences between the 'mainstream' RINO's and the 'MAGATs'. We knew the GOP is full of grifters. That's why we have the term 'RINO' - Republican In Name Only.
The Left has been freaking out about the 'transformation the Republican party' is going through, being 'captured by Trump'. The capture is a repudiation of organizations like the IRI.
But what it really is is a re-alignment. The former 'mainstream' RINOs are (barely) out of control of the GOP right now.
Didn't read... is this Reason's "maybe we shouldn't eliminate the department of education" argument?
Yep.
Don't eliminate government, *make it more efficient* - at doing the things it isn't supposed to be doing and/or are actually being done harmfully.
In November, very shortly after the election, they published the abolish everything December edition.
Then in January and February, they turn on a dime when someone dares to try.
I can only assume that the December mag was written as a tease, never intended to be followed up, for fear of being called a right-wing X.
That "abolish everything" issue was more enlightening for what it left out than what it included. Like ATF.
They have the one month windows right after an election where they pretend to be libertarian. But this was extra in trying to set up the anti Trump Nirvana fallacy.
I can only assume that the December mag was written as a tease, never intended to be followed up
Potemkin/Koch stood up the facade anticipating the visit of Empress Catherine II/Kamala.
One thing is for sure, if Trump enacts Federal School Choice, they will come out against it
If the Democrats come out against it, that will give the GOP more of the Black and Hispanic vote.
This is why the EU and the US 'elites' try to clamp down on 'misinformation'.
https://x.com/Playteaux1/status/1890235057278972403?mx=2
They know that if one person can speak against them, others who think the same way will be emboldened to do so. And as more speak against them, it becomes easier for others to stand up and oppose them.
This is why they hate Trump, this is why the EU freaked out about Vance, Germany is freaking out about AfD, Romania annulled an election - because people like this woman, Meloni, Vance, etc are acting as focal points for the opposition to rally around.
Better, they think, to control the narrative, to not let these people speak - because then its easy to make the opposition think they are alone and 'out of step'. But its turning out that our 'elites' are the ones that are out of step. And incompetent to boot.
Zelenskyyyy calls for an Army of Europe:
https://www.the-sun.com/news/13550475/zelenksy-army-europe-russia-putin/
The guy is usually a little bit of a grandstanding clown, but on this he happens to be 100% correct. It's (well past) time for Europe to finally take on the responsibility for its own defense and wean itself off of Uncle Sam's big fat tit.
Trump chooses dishonour in Europe
Following Ukraine betrayal, U.S. no longer deserves seat at G7, NATO
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But the United States’ choice is far more squalid than the decision that faced Chamberlain, who had hoped, to be fair, to buy time. It’s not as though Chamberlain had joined the other side, which is the decision U.S. President Donald Trump has given every impression of having made.
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In Munich on Friday, the dumbfounded Europeans had to sit there and be instructed by U.S. Vice-President J.D. Vance that they should no longer depend on American military prowess and American security guarantees. It’s fitting that Vance was chosen to deliver the message. Three years ago, he was perfectly candid about his own standpoint: “I don’t really care what happens in Ukraine one way or the other.”
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Even before his so-called peace negotiations have begun, Trump appears to have conceded to Stalin’s successor in Moscow just about everything Russia could have hoped for.
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/trump-chooses-dishonour-in-europe
Oh please do so.
Nobody else in NATO will pony up, so US out of NATO will kill it.
Lol, how predictable, Shrike.
Terry Glavin, who penned the opinion you linked to but never actually read, was George W. Bush's biggest supporter and hasn't seen a war he didn't like.
You're a neocon's neocon, Plugly.
Here's a picture of your author doing what he does best. Plotting wars in the Middle East: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Terry_Glavin_(4846674991).jpg
He should change his name to Bush Pigs Buttplug at this point. So far up their asses.
Hahahahahaha
Fuck off, Bushpig warmongering piece of shit.
Western Europe has already fallen. An Army of Europe would be a pro-Islamic army.
You are misunderstanding.
They want an *EU* army. And the nations of the EU reduced not to states (like the US) but to provinces (like Canada). No independence whatsoever.
And joke's on Zelensky - the European Union Army would have been on the side of the Russians. They Rooskies supply their energy needs and have them by the balls.
Saudi leaders outraged by Grand Mufti Trump's plan for Gaza:
But Saudi frustration quickly turned into surprise and then anger when Trump announced his Gaza idea. "He is not pleased," a source close to the Saudi royal court said of Prince Mohammed's reaction.
The level of anger was quickly evident in state media broadcasts - which analysts say are often a measure of official Saudi viewpoints - with television news reports personally excoriating Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
"They are outraged," said Aziz Alghashian, a Saudi analyst familiar with official thinking, describing the mood among senior Saudi officials. "This is outrageous. More than frustration, this is on another level."
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-spearheads-arab-scramble-alternative-trumps-gaza-plan-2025-02-14/
I recall when the idiot poster here named John blamed Obama for the refugee crisis in Syria. For not going to war in Syria or something.
Donnie forcing 1.7 million out of their homeland is incredibly stupid.
The Saudis won't allow Donnie to do just anything though.
In the past the Trump defenders have attacked anyone who suggested that Palestinians resettle elsewhere, calling them ignorant, stupid, and of course leftist. And whoa boy did I get attacked when I said pushing them out looks like a land grab.
Then Trump said Palestinians should be relocated so their land can be taken away, and his defenders suddenly realized that Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.
Nobody cares if they are relocated, as long as it isn’t here.
Do you know what you're even white knighting, Sarckles?
It's an article that says that the Saudis don't like Trump being nice to the Jews.
You've got to be the only guy who arrived at anti-semitism just to spite gentiles you were fighting with on the internet.
Did Trump say it's time for Palestinians to leave the area and go into other countries, yes or no?*
Did Trump say he's going to acquire that territory, yes or no?*
Did you attack me for suggesting that the goal of this invasion was to force Palestinians into other countries and take their land, yes or no?*
Have you defended Trump for the very same things you attacked me for, yes or no?*
*the answers are yes, yes, yes, and yes.
Remember, with Trump defenders it's all about who, not what.
You're seriously white knighting the Bushpig pedo? The one who wants the perpetual war machine churning at our expense? Think about how SPB constantly violates the NAP (as well as 10 year old boys) before you make a fool of yourself*.
*Which I know is probably too late, but you can stop at any time.
Whatever Big Brother Trump says, the Trump Cult mimics.
Nice to know you’re as stupid as Sarc with TDS.
What an idiotic madeup straw man premise
Grand Mufti Trump's plan for Gaza"
Because Islamic leaders are well known for relocating Muslims from the holy land for the sake of the Jews. This caliber of trolling is why Open Society will never hire Buttplug back even if they were still getting all that USAID money.
"https://www reuters com"
Enjoy them now, Buttplug. Their USAID money is running out too.
I'm for any way to lower the tax take of any unit of any government while leaving that money in the private sector.
It would be better if, instead of a credit, the feds canceled or otherwise paid property taxes for those that don't use public schools.
That would require repealing the SALT deduction limits. And in many placed there isn't a specific property tax for schools so implementing such a provision would be a nightmare.
...
Whoa there! You counting money not taken in federal tax as federal dollars?!
A Tax Credit for education expenses?
So it's like a Tax-Cut isn't it?
It is 'arming' the Tax Code but it's not like that hasn't been done on everything under the sun. I'd be more concerned about EIC (wealth distribution) in the Tax Code.
The Democratic Party is beholding to the education associations who provide many millions to Democratic candidates every year. The Ds will return to power at some point. They would certainly torpedo any school choice program they could.
New York actually has a humongous charter school program that seems to work fairly well. The State Constitution prohibits public funding of religious schools. An attempt was made to repeal that prohibition in 1967. It was defeated by 44 points in the needed referendum. Since then all politicians from all parties have considered the topic to be radioactive.
Does Congress have subject-matter jurisdiction over this?
European countries have no need for a defence network outside Europe, and the US's defence expenditures in Latin America or Asia are not relevant.
When the goals are progressive/liberal, the federal government has no power to be involved with education at all. When the goals align with libertarian or conservative priorities - of course it does.
Florida shows everyone the endgame for "school choice" policies.
As an example: St. Margaret Mary Catholic School in Orlando. Annual tuition: $14k (for non-Catholics attending). For this school year, 98% of its students are using an $8k/year state voucher. (Per pupil spending in Florida, State and local combined, is ~$9k/year) Before the state legislature made vouchers available to all students, regardless of family income, that school only had 3% of its students receiving a voucher or "scholarship" from taxpayer funds. Oh, and where is this school located? A poor, urban neighborhood? No, Winter Park - median home price, $453k.
Florida taxpayers are now subsidizing parents that already had school choice to send their kids to the private schools that they would have sent them anyway, and when the local public schools are actually well regarded (math scores look a little low, just under the state average, but the science scores at the two high schools in Winter Park are top 10% in the state).
Then I wonder why they don't realize this as the take on loans they can never repay UNLESS they get that job that they know is not likely.
Wait !! Education fails long before that
Get rid of Dept of Education, teachers unions, federal licensing , and mandatory accredidation
IF you come out of high school and can't read ,do math , or write, somebody must answer for it
Technological society leads to increasing numbers of people who cannot adapt to the inhuman rhythm of modern life with its emphasis on specialization. A class of people is growing up who are unexploitable because they are not worth employing even for the minimum wage. Technological progress makes whole categories of people useless without making it possible to support them with the wealth produced by the progress.
Jacques Ellul