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Deportation

Where Deportees Are Being Held

Plus: Talks with Russia, Zizian death cult leader arrested, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 2.18.2025 9:35 AM

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Now that they've been deported, where do they go? There were 109 deportation flights in January, 65 before the inauguration of President Donald Trump and 44 after. The Department of Homeland Security posted publicly that agents had arrested almost 9,000 people between the start of the Trump administration and February 3.

Meanwhile, Trump is apparently angry that deportation numbers aren't higher and that his preferred targets—between 1,200 and 1,400 arrests of illegal immigrants per day—are not yet being met.

So where are people going when they're sent "back home" if "back home"—China, Iran, Afghanistan, for example—won't take them?

So far, Costa Rica has opened its borders, receiving one flight of 200 deportees from Central Asia and India. And Panama has so far received at least three flights of deportees, with plans to first house migrants at hotels before sending them to camps near the Darién Gap, called San Vicente. The United States is paying for these flights, but assisting these migrants will be the joint responsibility of the United Nations and the host countries once they've landed.

"Lawyers in Panama say it is illegal to detain people without a court order for more than 24 hours," reports The New York Times. "Yet roughly 350 migrants deported by the United States on three military planes have been locked in a soaring, glass-paneled hotel, the Decapolis Hotel Panama in Panama City, for nearly a week, while officials ready a camp near the jungle." It's not clear when San Vicente will be finished, what living conditions will be like for migrants who have no place to go, or how the Panamanian government will put pressure on these migrants' sending countries—which, in some cases, may persecute those who have fled—to allow them to return.

The U.S. government has also tried another strategy: Guantánamo Bay. "Dozens of Venezuelan migrants sent by the Trump administration to the U.S. military base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, are being guarded by troops rather than civilian immigration officers," reports The New York Times, holding them in Camp 6, a prison building. This is, of course, where the military used to detain Al Qaeda suspects—an infamous spot that multiple presidents starting with Barack Obama vowed to close. The optics are undeniably bad, the conditions possibly even worse.

How much does it cost to deport? "ICE's average cost during the Biden administration for deporting a single person was about $10,500, including arrest, detention and the deportation flight," per NBC News. Within our borders, the Biden administration had the capacity, via 106 facilities, to detain 41,500 people.

And then there's this, dropped on Valentine's Day, which really strikes me as not at all tonally correct coming from the United States government:

Happy Valentine's Day ♥️ pic.twitter.com/6d7qmo7gtz

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) February 14, 2025

In other words, Trump's mass deportation scheme has so far been a predictable mess: Chaotically carried out, with no real plan in place, and an extra helping of cruelty seemingly designed to excite his base. But there are also very real challenges for which there is no way around: When the countries migrants originate from refuse to take them back in, where are they supposed to go? And who ought to foot their bill?


Scenes from New York: New York's supreme court is weighing whether voting by noncitizens should be allowed in New York City elections. Local Law 11, which was passed in 2022, "would allow green-card holders and individuals with work permits who have lived in the city for at least a month to cast ballots in municipal elections," reports Politico. Vito Fossella, Staten Island's borough president and a former member of U.S. Congress, is leading the charge against the law, which was passed by an almost entirely Democrat city council and would allow more than 800,000 people to newly vote.

"The lawsuit remains another shameful attempt by xenophobic Republicans who would disenfranchise residents rather than promote a more inclusive and participatory democracy," said the New York Immigration Coalition in a statement. But calling your opponents dirty names because you believe your policy priorities will be better achieved when you add a ton of Democratic voters to the rolls is wrong; there are real, hard questions to grapple with regarding who gets a say over policy, and it's not bad for New Yorkers to want to designate voting rights to people with skin in the game.


QUICK HITS

  • "The most charitable take on [diversity, equity, and inclusion programs in the government] is that they're a waste of money," Washington Free Beacon reporter Aaron Sibarium says. But the least charitable take? "That they're actively subverting the American constitutional order and promoting harmful race-based policies that are reorganizing the country." New—and very fiery—Just Asking Questions on the dismantling of DEI programs in the federal bureaucracy.

  • More evidence, courtesy of Fox, that NYC Mayor Eric Adams will basically do the bidding of any and all Trump administration officials because of a possible deal they made. Background here. Pretty awful if you care about the rule of law.
  • "Top US and Russian officials started meeting in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday to discuss how to end the war in Ukraine, without anyone from Kyiv involved," reports Bloomberg. "The head of Russia's sovereign wealth fund, Kirill Dmitriev, tasked with dealing with economic issues at the talks, said US firms have lost $300 billion from quitting the Russian market since the war started."
  • More horrible aviation accidents to start the year: The wreckage of a commuter plane in Alaska, operated by Bering Air, was recently found crashed on sea ice with all 10 dead. Then, yesterday, a Delta plane with 80 aboard traveling from Minneapolis to Toronto crashed upon landing, caught on fire, and flipped over; there were 18 injuries but everyone survived.

BREAKING- Toronto had a Delta flight flipped upside down. I got these photos from a friend on the plane. He's okay. Minnesota to Toronto. pic.twitter.com/DeSoYAlsVo

— Kellie Meyer (@KellieMeyerNews) February 17, 2025

  • Bay Area death cult leader Ziz is in custody. Background here, courtesy of Reason Roundup.

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   4 months ago

    No Roundup yesterday for Trump's birthday? Will tReason antiMAGA-zine ever learn?

    1. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

      And late this morning, too, I was jonesing.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

        Is that the same as Resist!-ing?

    2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

      Beltway libertarians love ALL the benefits of government.

    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 months ago

      Keep Holy the Sabbath Day

  2. Fist of Etiquette   4 months ago

    BREAKING- Toronto had a Delta flight flipped upside down.

    You expect that kind of thing from the Aussies, but Canuckistan?

    1. Ska   4 months ago

      As their hockey goes, so goes their nation.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

        Looks like the plane got cross-checked by the wind.

        1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

          Here's the video. Looks like pilot came in far too hard on the landing.

          https://redstate.com/bonchie/2025/02/18/watch-shock-video-of-crj-crash-in-toronto-released-reveals-a-ton-about-what-happened-n2185705

          1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   4 months ago

            Totally amazing everyone got out.

          2. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

            Former Naval Aviator, was aiming for the first wire.

            1. Stupid Government Tricks   4 months ago

              Oh, the hot wire.

          3. Stupid Government Tricks   4 months ago

            Gusty winds could do that; used to be called wind shear.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   4 months ago

      Belly up. The current state of Canada?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

        You know who else went belly up?

        1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   4 months ago

          Fatty Arbuckle?

        2. TrickyVic (old school)   4 months ago

          Stormy Daniels?

  3. Fist of Etiquette   4 months ago

    Now that they've been deported, where do they go?

    Closing time.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

      Yep. You don't have to go home but you can't stay here.

      1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

        Deliver them to the nearest land border in a friendly country. Barring the existence of one of those, drop them at the 12 mile line in a rubber dinghy with some water, some rations, and some oars.

        It's not clear when San Vicente will be finished, what living conditions will be like for migrants who have no place to go, or how the Panamanian government will put pressure on these migrants' sending countries—which, in some cases, may persecute those who have fled—to allow them to return.

        Funny, that seems like it would have been an excellent incentive to follow the asylum process properly. Y'know, by claiming asylum in the first safe country you come to, just like the treaty says.

        1. MatthewSlyfield   4 months ago

          "Y'know, by claiming asylum in the first safe country you come to, just like the treaty says."

          That's not exactly what the treaty says.

          My understanding of what the treaty says is that potential host nations may turn away refugees who passed through another safe country.

          Two important things to that.
          1. It governs the actions of the host nations, not the actions of the refugees (which is to be expected of a treaty).
          2. The relevant language is permissive, not mandatory.

          1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

            That was not what I got from it the last time I read it, but I would have to read it again before I either agreed or argued with that position.

            Though even if that truly is the case, it still provides significant incentive for a person who is truly fleeing government persecution in their home country to seek the best chance of avoiding a return trip.

            1. Stupid Government Tricks   4 months ago

              Yes, that truly makes a huge difference. Like climate catastrophists who swear the climate will reach a tipping point in 12 10 6 years, but reject nuclear power and natural gas in favor of windmills and solar cells.

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

                No, more like the climate disaster porn addicts who told us the world would end in 10 years 30, 20, or 10 years ago.

              2. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

                Right. If someone is rejecting the most effective scalable solutions, and also still going on vacations to foreign countries, it's hard to believe that they're really all that concerned about the problem.

        2. Vernon Depner   4 months ago

          drop them at the 12 mile line in a rubber dinghy

          Or, get rid of hundreds at a time by putting them on a barge and cutting it loose inside territorial waters.

    2. Commenter_XY   4 months ago

      Somewhere else = Where do they go?

    3. Longtobefree   4 months ago

      I don't really care, Margaret.

      1. Ajsloss   4 months ago

        ^--This guy gets it.

        1. Wizzle Bizzle   4 months ago

          Yup. If you have an ounce of realism in your bones, this is where you inevitably end up.

    4. Randy Sax   4 months ago

      where do they go?

      Canada. Suckle off that government's teat instead. Shorter flights.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

        Upside-down flights.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   4 months ago

          Because.....we were inverted.

          1. Wizzle Bizzle   4 months ago

            I think they were uninverted. That's the problem.

          2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

            Eh, Lieutenant, what were you doing there?

    5. mad.casual   4 months ago

      Where Deportees Are Being Held

      By the pussy, if they let you.

  4. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

    Some fun things happening in D.C.

    Search terms for lawyers, RICO, statute of limitations, bleach bit, etc skyrocket.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/eruption-bleachbit-wipe-hard-drive-offshore-bank-searches-dc-suggest-deep-state-panic

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/eruption-bleachbit-wipe-hard-drive-offshore-bank-searches-dc-suggest-deep-state-panic

    Housing prices in D.C. collapse.

    https://x.com/KobeissiLetter/status/1890815411907674372

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

      The rats are abandoning the ship before all the graft dries up.

    2. Kungpowderfinger   4 months ago

      Swamp, fuck thyself

    3. Weigel's Cock Ring   4 months ago

      Some local D.C. area chapter of the Pink Pussies was trying to organize a protest and like four people showed up to it.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   4 months ago

    So where are people going when they're sent "back home" if "back home"—China, Iran, Afghanistan, for example—won't take them?

    Trade imbalance! Tariff the hell out of the illegals they export to the U.S., of course.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   4 months ago

      Why wouldn't these countries want their doctors and engineers back?

      1. Ajsloss   4 months ago

        They're at capacity for food trucks.

        1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

          Why are doctors and engineers running food trucks? That seems like a waste of their prodigious talents.

    2. mad.casual   4 months ago

      Just shuffle all the paperwork one "back home" to the left; all the Iranians end up in China, all the Chinese end up in Afghanistan, and all he Afghans end up in Iran... call it a day. If anyone complains, the next round they get all the immigrants.

  6. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

    https://x.com/joma_gc/status/1890179677618335797

    Bad Hombre
    @joma_gc
    Veteran Democratic Party strategist James Carville is reportedly furious about the direction the party is headed, expressing to colleagues: “I dedicated the best years of my f-cking life to this party, only to see it taken over by a bunch of stupid motherfu-kers. Everything’s gone to sh-t.”

    Carville is especially livid following the DNC leadership election, reportedly saying, “Who are these people? This David Hogg guy and that other sissy (referring to Malcolm Kenyatta) come out of goddamn left field. Well, there goes the male vote forever. Thanks guys! We’re f-cked and we deserve it.”

    Also:

    Pointing to the gender rules that were enumerated during a recent Democratic National Committee meeting – that went viral due to their woke nature – the longtime Democratic strategist suggested that someone was sabotaging the party from within by suggesting these policy points.

    “And it’s like, there’s a, a plant somewhere in quote, progressive, unquote America, that just to seize how many jacka–, stupid things that they can embrace, it’s stunningly stupid. Both of them.”

    George
    @BehizyTweets
    I can't believe what I just listened to. The DNC Leader interrupted the party election to tell members that not enough non-binary candidates have been elected, so they MUST now vote for one.

    "With the results of the previous four elections, our elected officers are currently two male and two female. In order to be gender balanced, we must elect one male, one female, and one person of any gender."

    And Democrats wonder why America didn't vote for them.

    1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   4 months ago

      Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

        I think we've had enough of their authoritarian niceness.

        1. Stupid Government Tricks   4 months ago

          I don't. It was still a pretty close election, and that's when they were fired up against Trump and for the first female woman of color. There are a lot of wokies in this country who haven't learned anything except that the country has been racist since 1619.

          1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   4 months ago

            Yeah….. some McCarthyism can straighten a lot of that out.

    2. Quo Usque Tandem   4 months ago

      In addition to electing Boy Hogg as vice chair, they also unanimously agreed that Harris lost because of misogyny and racism.

      They are not about to get their heads out of each other's assess and see the light of day; glorious.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

        Much of leftist media is even advocating going even further left. They just didn't get their messages out.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

          But cutting off USAID funding might save them from themselves. Time for a bit of emergency funding so they can drive the rest of the way off the cliff.

      2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

        The hilarious part is that spazzoid queer is already using his position to grift for his own PAC. These people really did learn at Obama's knee.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

          You sure that was Obama’s knee?

          “Tell me, schatze, is it twue what they say about the way you people are... gifted?”
          - David Hogg and Harry Sisson

    3. Eeyore   4 months ago

      Can you really have a quorum without at least one eunuch? Maybe we should provide funding for the procedure to turn DNC leaders into eunuchs?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

        Eunuch could be the next gender fad for the cool kids. Or did that already happen and I missed it?

        1. MatthewSlyfield   4 months ago

          Wouldn't trans women who have had bottom surgery technically qualify as Eunuchs?

          1. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

            Eunuchs still have the twig but no berries, right?

            1. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

              It depends on who did the surgery, sometimes they removed the whole plumbing.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

                Essentially the difference between the Unsullied and Varys.

              2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

                The Ken doll crotch?

                1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   4 months ago

                  “Stinkditch” is one of the more colorful euphemisms I’ve seen right here on these esteemed pages.

              3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   4 months ago

                Just remove the head and mount it on whatever shape of mannequin that strikes their fancy. Easy peasy.

        2. Vernon Depner   4 months ago

          Eunuch could be the next gender fad for the cool kids.

          I did know a kid who was a natural eunuch (Klinefelter Syndrome) who declined treatment because he was happy with his body the way it was.

    4. Idaho-Bob   4 months ago

      we must elect one male, one female, and one person of any gender."

      Ah, the DNC thinks 1/3 of Americans are cosplayers. And these fuckers wonder why they lost.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

        Revealing that they think male and female are not "genders".

      2. Zeb   4 months ago

        Yeah, pretty weird. TO have balance we need to make sure a vanishingly small minority is represented?

      3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   4 months ago

        They need more senior DNC leaders like Hogg. It will ensure many more losses for them going forward.

    5. Moonrocks   4 months ago

      I dedicated the best years of my f-cking life to this party, only to see it taken over by a bunch of stupid motherfu-kers. Everything’s gone to sh-t

      I mean, that sucks and all, but he wasn't complaining too hard while it was happening.

      1. Don’t get eliminated (all the sudden I have no idea where I am on the list)   4 months ago

        Plus he’s still an authoritarian asshole.

      2. MatthewSlyfield   4 months ago

        Back then, everyone in the Democrat party thought it was working.

        At least James Carville is willing to admit that it backfired on them and they need to change course. What has him pissed of is that so few people in the Democrat party are willing to acknowledge what went wrong and address the problem, instead they keep doubling down on what backfired on them.

        1. Ska   4 months ago

          Explaining that you're an idiot for not adhering to their ideological positions will surely work this time.

        2. Kungpowderfinger   4 months ago

          The only thing that pisses off James Carville is not being at the reigns of power.

          Raccoon eating, amoral POS.

        3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   4 months ago

          Ace o rats don’t have much of a track record admitting mistakes, or ever being accountable for anything. The last one I can think of that believed in those things was Truman.

    6. Mike Parsons   4 months ago

      "Well, there goes the male vote forever. Thanks guys! We’re f-cked and we deserve it.”

      Well, frankly electing a bunch of pussy male feminists to positions no one cares about is about 1000 straws after the camels back was broken.

      A decade of women girl bossery, 'white dudes for harris' cuckery, Biden - "a woman can do anything a man does, but better", etc.

      This horse is so far out of the barn it might as well be in outer space

    7. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

      Couldn’t happen to a better bunch of motherfucking assholes. Suck it, Carville.

    8. Ska   4 months ago

      I just want to pause and acknowledge that sissy is still a great put down that needs to be used more often.

    9. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

      “And it’s like, there’s a, a plant somewhere in quote, progressive, unquote America, that just to seize how many jacka–, stupid things that they can embrace, it’s stunningly stupid. Both of them.”

      Nope. That's all (D), all the way down.

      Though to be fair, if someone could stand being around those folks for long enough, it's not a terrible idea.

    10. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

      The demented Cajun elf is occasionally right.

    11. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

      Keep in mind this shit all started in the liberal arts departments of academia. That's the real target that needs to have the fire saturation on it.

      1. Weigel's Cock Ring   4 months ago

        My generation (Gen X) mostly understood that you weren't supposed to take all the communist professors seriously, you just nodded and went along with the game while laughing inside so you could get decent grades. The generations after us somehow didn't understand that important lesson.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

          That's because the Gen-Xers that stayed in academia actually believed that bullshit. Most of the hyper-radicalization of the left in the last 30 years can be laid at their feet.

          1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

            This.

  7. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

    Universities were charging up to 70% for indirect costs with grants recieved from government. Jeff claims this goes to The Science. But it tended to go to yachts, painting of presidents houses, DEI, etc.

    https://justthenews.com/government/federal-agencies/welfare-colleges-nih-slush-fund-allegedly-stiffs-research-fund

    Basically a university slush fund.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

      Jeffy is a libertarian for graft and corruption.

      1. DesigNate   4 months ago

        Jeff is as libertarian as shrike is.

        1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   4 months ago

          And they both REALLY like kids.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

      Yeah, forcing US universities to charge only 15% overhead, like in the private sector and close to the 20% limit in Canadia, is the death knell for our enlightened society.

    3. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

      More than that. I worked for a grant funded department at the medical school nearby for a while, and any computer equipment we purchased was subject to a 100% "tax" by Facilities for "installation", even though I was the person actually installing the equipment, in the server rack that we bought, in the building that was "ours" from the school.

    4. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

      First, full disclosure: I do research at Johns Hopkins. My income is partly based on NIH direct funds.

      It's easy to assume that universities that have higher indirect costs is due to graft (and of coarse some is), but consider that these universities are doing more cutting edge research which almost always requires more expensive equipment. They work with more actual human patients which add a great deal to costs.

      To give the University of Boondock studying why flies land on shit the same funding as Johns Hopkins studying protein dysregulation in ALS using differentiated stem cells, is not really sensible.

      Having said that, in general, scientists make terrible business people. There is obviously administrative bloat that should be trimmed.

      Still, I think there's better solution than "15% for all" rule pulled out of Musk's ass. It's not the worst idea to limit indirect costs either though.

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   4 months ago

        The only sensible idea is to get rid of all government funding and control of science. Make it reliant on charity donations.

        People who say donations won't be enough don't realize how much Americans donate. Here's Wikipedia's list of the top six countries by percentage of GDP from February 2016:

        1.44% United States
        0.79% New Zealand
        0.77% Canada
        0.54% United Kingdom
        0.50% South Korea
        0.39% Singapore

        This can't be blamed on / credited to tax writeoffs. Even if charity donations are 100% tax writeoffs, all that does is steer money to charities instead of government; it doesn't add anything to the donor's pocketbook.

        1. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

          Yeah, donations and private company contracts.

          I've worked under both of those scenarios. Even now, about half of our funding comes from private companies (Venture capital and biotech sponsored research). We're currently trying to concentrate our efforts here for obvious reasons. We are expecting funds from a private donor soon too.

          Private research paid better, but once companies figured out it was cheaper to buy partially complete government funded research, they dropped research like crazy. Many (most?) pharma scientists moved to Universities.

          1. Lester75   4 months ago

            If you make science research based only on donations and private contracts then 1) If you get a disease which isn't one of the top-10-most-common you are dead 2) If you get a disease for which the cure won't make a pharma pr medical equipment corp a ton of money you're dead 3) If you get a disease that is genetically linked to, say, whether you are black or some other minority you're dead 4) If you get a disease which doesn't play well in the media you're dead etc..

            1. See.More   4 months ago

              If you make science research based only on donations and private contracts then 1) If you get a disease which isn't one of the top-10-most-common you are dead... /snip

              Cry me a fucking river. Your emotional blackmail aside, getting a disease, of any sort, does not entitle someone to someone else's resources.

            2. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

              I often wonder if we lived in libertopia, where we weren't taxed so heavily, how much extra charity would go to research. I mean if people want this from their tax money that should carry over to their charity. More likely there's a better model than just charity, like working it in to something like a comprehensive health plan; maybe being a subscriber to John's Hopkins or Mayo or whoever. If it's worth it's expense, the free market should provide. Just spitballing.

              Under our current tax load, I'd guess you're mostly correct, but the current situation isn't far off from that anyway.

              As it is now, most donations (that I've sent at least) are huge donations from billionaires.

      2. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

        University of Boondocks doing the fly research is likely a land grant University, and the research is very applicable to the agricultural industry (everyone eats not everyone gets ALS). You work isn't more important, it's just a different field (I say this as someone with an MS in Animal Science from a land grant University). In fact, I'm betting the research being done at land grant universities probably impacts more people day to day then your ALS research. My personal research was in preservation techniques of silage, which is major source of feed for dairy and beef cattle. Although my research wasn't ground breaking due to the ubiquitous nature of silage in major protein sources for human consumption, it is still impactful (and is very heavy in microbiology and biochemistry). And I have to say of the 15% admin took from my (private) grant not a penny actually benefitted my research.

        1. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

          Oh my god.

          They were made up examples. I don't do ALS research. I mostly do mass spectrometry based pharmacokinetics for many indications.

          And I never claimed you're shit-eating research was less important, it's just cheaper to conduct.

          And Serbia didn't start WWI anymore than turning an ignition key causes a car accident.

          1. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

            Yes you did claim, and still do, with your shit eating comment, that the research conducted at state schools is less important. Admit you have an elitist attitude. And who the fuck started WWI if not Serbia? Who shot the crown Prince again? Who funded the group who assassinated the crown Prince again? Fuck.

            1. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

              And who the fuck started WWI if not Serbia? Who shot the crown Prince again? Who funded the group who assassinated the crown Prince again? Fuck.

              You are correct that Princip was recruited by the Black Hand which was funded by Serbia. He did indeed, in an amazing series of coincidences, assassinate the Archduke. But there were millions of other things that were necessary, both before and after that, which led to WWI. You cannot assign blame to any 1 nation for starting the war.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

                I’d say that there’s a lot of blame for starting WWI to go around.

                Serbia for funding the Black Hand and thusly assassinating the one man who could’ve prevented it, Franz Ferdinand.

                Austria for having the most pro-war assholes in government, including the worst of them, Franz Conrad von Hötzendorf, Chief of the General Staff for the armed forces. He had a major hard on for going to war with Serbia that Franz Ferdinand was keeping at bay.

                Russia for their ridiculous protective attitude towards Serbia even when Serbia was being stupid as they were.

                Germany for the infamous “blank cheque” they gave Austria and a bunch of generals that wanted some kind of war, especially against Russia.

                France for their aggressive attitude and revanchism towards Germany for having lost the Franco-Prussian war over 40 years prior.

                Great Britain for stupidly deciding that Belgian neutrality was the hill they were going to foolishly die on.

                1. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

                  Good summary.

                2. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

                  But the thing is almost all those conditions listed had existed for decades or more prior to the war. The triggering action was Princeps. All those other conditions were largely pre-existing (I mean Britain and their paternalistic attitude towards the low countries had existed for centuries and was largely their stated reason for declaring war on Revolutionary France and Napoleonic France also).

                3. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

                  Additionally, no matter if Germany had invaded the low countries or not, Great Britain would have found an excuse to declare war on Germany, because Germany had the audacity to build it's own Navy that was approaching the same size and power as the Royal Navy and England simply couldn't allow that. Especially from another European power and one that bordered what Britain considered their own personal pond, the North Sea.

                  1. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

                    I agree with everything you wrote in these 2 comments.

                    Maybe we're just using different meanings of "started" WWI. I agree they triggered the war, but I don't think they are to blame for starting the war. If not for Princip, something else would have likely triggered it.

                    1. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

                      Very likely. Although I think it would have been only a regional war between Germany and France if not for all the damn alliances and British jealously guarding the naval supremacy.

                    2. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

                      The ironic thing is, that Franz Ferdinand was considered to soft on the Balkans (and was pretty popular in Croatia and Bosnia). This made him an enemy of the Serbian nationalists, who wanted a Serbian dominated Yugoslavia (which neither the Croatian or Bosniaks wanted but were forced to accept by the allies who promised national self determination but then really didn't give it to anyone after 1918).

                    3. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

                      There's also a lot of myths regarding nationalism and the new nations formed from the corpse of the Austo-Hungarian Empire. For example the Czech nationalist movement wasn't really that large. It's forgotten that about 40% of Bohemians were ethnic Germans in 1914 and that Bohemia had been part of the Holy Roman Empire since the Middle Ages. Croatia also didn't have a strong nationalist movement, and large parts of it had been part of the Hapsburgs external holdings (e.g. outside the Holy Roman Empire before it's disillusion in 1806) since the late middle ages and early modern era, and outside of Hungary, may have been the strongest non-German pro-empire provinces (largely because they saw Austria-Hungary and before it the Holy Roman Empire as the powers that rescued them from the Ottomans). Contrary to even today's views, the Czechs and the Slovak were not really culturally close. The Slovak tended to be more Eastern Slavic, while the Czechs tended to be more westernized.

                    4. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

                      Yeah I remember learning it was caused by nationalism in middle/high school history, but it does stand up so well when you probe in deep.

                    5. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

                      That's because the concept of "nations" in the sense we use the term today was still ... somewhat amorphous. Particularly in that chunk of the world. It had been broken up, shredded, remolded, mince, diced, and sculpted into just an absolutely insane patchwork crazy quilt of individual cities and principalities and so on and so forth with all these tiny, tiny nobles each the ruler of the local whatever. I mean shit, even today, there are parts of Spain that don't really consider themselves to be part of Spain. And that's got a great big fuck-off mountain range between it and France. Very solid natural border. But the people on the southwestern side of it, that speak very nearly the exact same language as... the other people on the southwestern side of it, still consider themselves "Catalan" instead of "Spanish". Well, some of them do, anyway.

                    6. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

                      Yeah, not to mention the Holy Roman Empire in it's late stages was a really fucked up place (starting with the Peace of Westphalia). The Hapsburgs were the elected Kaiser and had central authority as long as they didn't try to actually wield it. So they increasingly stopped focusing on the empire and focused on their own holdings especially their external holdings. Then you had the Reichstag, which was sometimes in session, then out of session for decades than permanently in session but no one was really sure who was supposed to be on it, and how representation was divided, especially after the reformation made the seats allocated to the clergy very contentious. Then you had the Hohenzellerns who were electors because of Brandenburg but also Kings because of their inheritance of the Prussian Throne. And subordinate to the Hapsburgs due to being electors of Brandenburg, but also enemies of the Hapsburgs through their throne of Prussia. Also, throw in that some of the empire was actually subordinate to the Spanish line of Hapsburgs right up until that line ended with the War of Spanish Succession. Throw in the near constant state of war with the Ottomans in the 15-17th century and people like Vlad who one day swore allegiance to the Ottomans, the next to the Hapsburgs and then the next declared independence, and then rinse and repeat the process. Throw in Revolutionary France and Napoleonic messing around with things. Yeah, it's pretty amazing that there is any semblance of balance in Central Europe.

                      And I didn't even touch on Peter and Catherine's power plays as they tried to make Russia a European power. Or that for awhile you had four external kings who were electors (Prussia, Sweden, Denmark and Great Britain).

                    7. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

                      Or that the Reichstag was dominated by Catholics (especially prior to the thirty years war and a major cause of the war) but the majority of subjects of the empire were protestant (but divided between Lutheran and Calvinists with some Anabaptists thrown in for flavor and a handful of proto-protestant hussites still running around Bohemia).

          2. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

            The fact you call it the University of Boondocks and then label it shit eating is more than adequate grounds to conclude you feel it's not important and that your an elitist asshat.

            Oh, you do mass spec. So impressive (never did that in my research, never, that's way to impressive for a land grant state university). Oh, mass spec was among the simpler analysis we did in my research, never mind.

            1. Zeb   4 months ago

              I think you are reading too much into his comments. I don't see the elitism or self importance either. Some research is more complicated and expensive. That doesn't mean it's more important or better. His point is that some research costs more than others. IF that is wrong, make that point.

              1. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

                Thanks, Zeb. You are correct about the point I was attempting to make.

              2. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

                Re-read his second reply and reference the following sentence from him 'I never claimed you're shit-eating research was less important, it's just cheaper to conduct.' and tell me how that is me reading into it and not him being an elitist asshat who is now trying to pretend like he wasn't.

                1. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

                  Either that or it's extremely poorly worded. Since he references you're (which he states he didn't mean my research but his allegorical research, in which case he should have stated 'my" instead of you're) in direct reply to me explaining my own real research.

                  1. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

                    This is a fair criticism of my comment. I said "your" because you stepped up to defend it. I should have been more careful since you did mention your own research in the same comment, but that wasn't present in my mind when I replied.

            2. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

              Why do you have such a victim mentality?

              I intentionally invented a stupid sounding low budget university with a ridiculous research project as a made up inexpensive research project. To my surprise though, you step up and claim that's you! That's on you, not me.

              Note: I did not criticize your silage research at all, nor do I even know where you worked to criticize that.

              your an elitist asshat. he says

              Oh, mass spec was among the simpler analysis we did in my research, never mind.
              He then says.

              I'm not trying to impress you. I was just telling you what my work is.

              Yes you did claim, and still do, with your shit eating comment, that the research conducted at state schools is less important.
              I NEVER mentioned state schools. I graduated from a state school. I worked at a state school. We routinely collaborate with state schools. I see better research coming from state schools than Hopkins all the time.

              Side question about your MS experience: Did you do GC or LC MS? Did you work on a QQQ, QTOF, QTrap or Orbitrap instrument? Did you do qualitative or quantitative analysis? Any tandem MS method development? Any proteomics or metabolomics? Any unknown or metabolite identification?

              Just wondering because those are the expenses we get in our lab and wondering how your work compares cost-wise.

              1. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

                Both GC and LC, mostly quantitative, measuring concentrations of organic fatty acids, especially short chain like propionic, acetic, lactic, butyric. Saying mass spec was some of the easier analysis is not elitist, but labeling something University of Boondocks where they're studying shit sounds awful fucking elitist, especially after you name drop John Hopkins University. Further here is a direct quote from you 'I never claimed you're shit-eating research was less important, it's just cheaper to conduct.' That sounds pretty much like you're insulting me directly. You reference 'you're shit eating research'.

                1. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

                  I name dropped JHU because it was specifically called out in the article as the largest receiver of NIH funds. I was revealing my bias.

                  And my sympathies, I hate measuring fatty acids.

                  1. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

                    For a ruminant nutritionist, VFA are our bread and butter, they're the main product of microbial fermentation in the rumen, and thus the main source of energy for the cow/sheep/goat or other ruminants.

                    1. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

                      They're also the main precursors used for gluconeogenesis and long chain fatty acid synthesis in ruminants, which are both vital to ruminants, as they get very little glucose from their diet (it's almost entirely fermented by the rumen microbes).

            3. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

              Also, by the "your shit eating research" comment, I wasn't referring to your actual research, but to my fictional fly-shit study you were defending.

              1. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

                That's extremely poorly worded than. Especially in a reply.

                1. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

                  Yes it was very poorly worded. That's why I clarified here.

                  1. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

                    Okay. And I will say I may have overreacted, and misinterpreted your intention. I did my schooling at land grant universities and worked for another one for seven years, so I can be touch biased myself.

                    1. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

                      Seems like we have a truce. Tooo bad we can't make it official in a train car in France.

                      I wonder if we're clashing because we have similar backgrounds and interests.

                    2. See.More   4 months ago

                      Seems like we have a truce. Tooo bad we can't make it official in a train car in France.

                      Bwahahaaaa! That line actually made me spit coffee... /waste of coffee 🙂

                  2. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

                    It took me a long while to completely stop using "you" terms when describing basically anything on the internet, unless I actually mean to specify the person I'm talking about.

                    I still feel like talking about "things one might do, and how they would proceed with it" and so forth sounds really stilted, but the fuckin' internet, man. People seem read one's words with maximum hostility with great frequency, even when it's people they know personally. That's why I quit Facebook, in the end. Every goddamn thing that came off my keyboard, people would take as a directed attack, no matter how innocuous it might have been.

                    1. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

                      Good advice. I have to try to keep this in mind.

              2. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

                Wasn't defending fly-shit so much as the land grant universities, which a lot of people don't realize the importance of their research. As for fly shit I can actually come up with very valid, and important reasons, that such research may be warranted. About 15% of cattle carry the hemorrhagic form of E. coli (albeit the industry has a very good track record over the past couple decades keeping it out of the food system, most E. Coli outbreak have been linked to fruits and vegetables the past couple decades, especially organic crops). It would be worth seeing if flies are attracted more to bovine excrement from cows that are are carriers, and if they are a possible vector to transferring it to cows that are not carriers. Another avenue of research could be are the flies more likely to feed on bovine excrement with higher crude protein content, which could indicate cows that underutilize non-protein nitrogen (NPN) (which the rumen bacteria can actually turn into microbial proteins which the cow can then utilize themselves). So, by monitoring flies the farmer can either see if his cows are underutilizing protein and NPN or if he may be overfeeding NPN in a manner cheaper than using a lab test, or as a spot check. When I was still working as an animal scientist with a specialty in rumen nutrition, one of the simple things we did was what is called the smear test, you smear a fresh cow patty with your boot, to see how much grain, or other undigested feeds were in the feces.

                1. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

                  I was trying to be silly with the flies on shit study, but you make good points about how it could actually be quite beneficial.

                  you smear a fresh cow patty with your boot

                  Well I've done that thousands of times, but not on purpose or for research.

        2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

          I find it more hilarious that he justifies using indirect costs when material can be billed to the government through GFM (Government Funded Materials) or other accounting activities.

          No private industry can tack on a 70% indirect costs to a government contract and be free use it however they care to.

          Government contracts get paid out in material and labor as the costs. The indirect costs is tied into cost of labor.

          This is true of expendable material as well.

          I don't think QB has ever looked at a government contract or has understanding of accounting methods for government contracts.

          He is just defending graft.

          1. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

            I don't think QB has ever looked at a government contract or has understanding of accounting methods for government contracts.

            You're right about that.

            He is just defending graft.

            I was? That seems like an untenable stance for me to have taken.

    5. MT-Man   4 months ago

      Have you heard of FRIP's? If you think indirect is bad check that out.

    6. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   4 months ago

      Gosh, do you mean to say that Pedo Jefffy……. LIED?

  8. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

    "Man Without Criminal History Detained By ICE on His Way to Work" ???????????????? Oops nevermind.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2025/02/14/busted-ice-catches-denver-tv-station-spreading-misinformation-and-corrects-the-record-n2652193

    Denver's NBC affiliate published a headline this week that read, "Man Without Criminal History Detained By ICE on His Way to Work." The framing of the story was that poor Victor Manuel was victimized by a random demand for papers as he minded his own business, en route to be a productive member of society at his job. Why would cruel, heartless Immigration and Customs Enforcement arrest someone like this, when the stated enforcement priorities center on criminals?

    ICE’s Enforcement and Removal Operations for Denver released a statement explaining that Montanez-Jacquez had illegally entered the United States three times and had pled guilty to driving under the influence in January 2024. “He also had a DUI conviction in 2005 when he was residing in Fort Collins, Colorado,” the statement continued.

    https://x.com/ERODenver/status/1889789887412338828

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

      NBC lies (again, what a surprise). The man isn’t innocent, he crossed the border illegally three times and has two DUIs.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

        Yeah, but was he drunk-driving a food truck?

      2. Wizzle Bizzle   4 months ago

        Not just NBC, but the Denver affiliate of NBC. That's akin to the local NPR affiliate in San Francisco, Portland or Seattle. None of the woke soccer moms in my little burb will even go up there anymore. Probably because it's a crime-riddled shithole filled with migrants and people experiencing unhousedness.

        1. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

          This is the kind of people I hate the most, the ones who push their agenda on everyone else, creating quite often a crime ridden hellhole in the process and that they never have to deal with. The empty virtue signalers need to be forced to deal with the problems their virtual signaling creates. And it's usually college educated white women from the upper middle class.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

      And to think Dan Issel had to resign for accurately calling a drunk Mexican a drunk Mexican.

  9. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

    Democrats learn Hogg is solely an agent of graft. High takes DNC mailer list and immediately uses it to ask for donations to various organizations he is a part of, and pay him well.

    https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2025/02/15/democrats-learn-the-hard-way-that-david-hogg-is-a-shameless-grifter-n4937020

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

      He could actually go to jail for that. Well, not really because of the power of the magic (D), but still, that was a huge fuck up.
      If he was a regular guy he could go to jail for that.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

        Hogg might have to repent and show remorse. Maybe cut off the rest of his wiener.

      2. Marshal   4 months ago

        What makes you think this is illegal? It's all part of the con.

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

        The mistake he made was not bringing the senior Dems in on the grift.

      4. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   4 months ago

        I have no problem with Hogg being the fave of the democrat party. Nor do I have a problem with him stealing their money. I do hope his theft is further uncovered with the party completely ignoring all of it.

        I also hope that all of it continues right through the next several election cycles.

        1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

          So go whole Hogg?

          1. Pepin the short   4 months ago

            He takes a lot of that magic (D).

    2. Moonrocks   4 months ago

      It's only shocking because it's being talked about. I doubt this is anything but business as usual.

      1. Social Justice is neither   4 months ago

        The only question is who did he forget to adequately include in the payoff scheme?

      2. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   4 months ago

        Why else would anyone want that job?

    3. Super Scary   4 months ago

      How crass. You don't just ask for the money directly. You're supposed to take up painting or give some speeches at private parties.

  10. Fist of Etiquette   4 months ago

    ICE's average cost during the Biden administration for deporting a single person was about $10,500, including arrest, detention and the deportation flight...

    Lol. Like those federal tax dollars weren't being spent, flight or no flight.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   4 months ago

      Trump is right. We just need to increase the numerator and the cost per deportation will go down.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

        Volume discount.

    2. Moonrocks   4 months ago

      How much of that money went to NGOs?

    3. Wizzle Bizzle   4 months ago

      Yeah, a journalist would mention the costs of them staying and let you make your own decision. This is called propaganda.

    4. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   4 months ago

      That’s a bargain compare to $7-9k per month in direct welfare for illegals. Not to mention all the indirect costs of their presence here.

  11. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

    Hamas continues to devalue Palestinian lives. The first hostage-for-prisoners exchange netted 200 Palestinians for 4 Israelis (50 Palestinians per). Later, they got 183 for 3 Israelis, or 61 Palestinians per). This most recent exchange continued the pace of inflation, netting 369 Palestinian prisoners for 3 Israelis (123 Palestinians per).

    1. Commenter_XY   4 months ago

      hamas are human animals, and they'll be hunted down and killed.

    2. Ajsloss   4 months ago

      Talk about turning the ruble to rubble.

    3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

      I thought the Jews were better at bargaining.

      1. mad.casual   4 months ago

        Three fellow countrymen for 369 future genocide victims seems like a win to me. Shoot them on the battlefield, then you don't have to house them; the way anti-Death Penalty libertarians intended.

      2. See.More   4 months ago

        I thought the Jews were better at bargaining.

        Since one Jew is worth 10,000 Palestinians, I believe they've bargained very well. I mean, in money terms, they paid pennies on the dollar per Jew they "purchased" from Hamas.

        /facetious

    4. Ska   4 months ago

      Depreciation is a motherfucker.

  12. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

    Two Democratic State Representatives in Ohio have introduced legislation that would see men fined for ejaculating if they don’t intend on having a baby.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/democrats-introduce-legislation-fine-men-ejaculating

    1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   4 months ago

      Oh, come on!

    2. Eeyore   4 months ago

      What if they intend to talk the woman into aborting it?

      1. Social Justice is neither   4 months ago

        I believe they're owed a rebate on the fine and a certificate of feminist allyship. Collect 10 certificates and the next abortion is free.

    3. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

      I was reliably told that ejaculating on unwilling children is okay, why the exception for women?

    4. Moonrocks   4 months ago

      I thought that was called child support.

    5. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

      Seems like seriously anti-gay law. So now gay men can't have sex with each other?

      1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   4 months ago

        Sure you can. Just don’t finish.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

          There’s a town in Pennsylvania for that: Blue Ball.

          1. MK Ultra   4 months ago

            Yeah but Intercourse, PA is but a bit down the road. Dutchie country, so watch for buggies if you're gonna boogie.

            1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 months ago

              And then there's Climax Michigan. Every time my wife sees the exit sign she says "Don't Stop! Don't Stop".

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

                Only 20 miles from I-69 at that!

      2. Ajsloss   4 months ago

        There's a carve out for queers. Seriously.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

          OK, then we're all gay now.

      3. Randy Sax   4 months ago

        It's a aids prevention health bill.

    6. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

      Idiot Democrat in Mississippi introduced the same sort of trolling legislation, trying to make some sort of statement about abortion laws. Not quite sure what the statement is...but that's a different problem.

      Both ignore the HUGE double standard that already exists, and one that 100% favors women, er, birthing people.

      How about the double standard that says that if a woman wants to abort the child but the father does not, she can ignore his desires and abort. It's her body, her choice.

      If he wants her to abort and she does not, and she can ignore his desires and have the child. It's her body, her choice.

      But in the latter case she can force him to pay child support for 18 years.

      In neither case do his desires ever come into play, legally he has no rights at all except having to pay 18 years of child support.

      It seems that, in terms of fairness--if "men are fifty percent of the equation"--in this later case the man should be absolved of the child support.

      And I urge any potential father to demand DNA paternity test as soon as possible so that it is possible to avoid being forced to pay for some other man's discharged genetic material. Because the courts will fuck you.

      1. mad.casual   4 months ago

        Both ignore the HUGE double standard that already exists, and one that 100% favors women, er, birthing people.

        How about the double standard that says that if a woman wants to abort the child but the father does not, she can ignore his desires and abort. It's her body, her choice.

        If he wants her to abort and she does not, and she can ignore his desires and have the child. It's her body, her choice.

        But in the latter case she can force him to pay child support for 18 years.

        And, again, like a 12-dimensional double standard. If she doesn't want the baby and goes one state over, or less, to abort, HBHC, but if he doesn't want paternity for a child he doesn't want, as long as she wins in court, there is no state to which he can flee.

        Feminism, long ago, stopped being about equality or supporting women and started being about making women and men unhappy in order to leverage political dissent/power.

  13. Fist of Etiquette   4 months ago

    When the countries migrants originate from refuse to take them back in, where are they supposed to go?

    I assumed that was what Greenland was going to be for.

    1. Ajsloss   4 months ago

      The new Siberia.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

        The new Australia.

        1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

          Ooooooh. Like the Gulf of America, we could rename it after we get it! "Icetralia"!

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

            Nice. Will they also start out all brash and masculine but then turn into pussies?

            1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   4 months ago

              Nicetrailia.

          2. See.More   4 months ago

            "Icetralia"!

            There they be "kiwicicles."

        2. Wizzle Bizzle   4 months ago

          I'd prefer we send them to the old Australia. Less chance of migration, and Australia could use some decent Latino food.

  14. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

    Times has guest essay admitting Trump may be right on birthright citizenship.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/15/opinion/trump-birthright-citizenship.html

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

      Is the news room staff going to pout again? And by pout I mean throw a tantrum and demand that management quit.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

        How many times do they have to quit before they get what they want?

  15. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

    US Indistry has surged since the election. The horror for the jeffsarcs of the world.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/trump-effect-us-industrial-production-surges-most-4-years-election

    1. Quicktown Brix   4 months ago

      I'd debunk that, but your link reads like a debunk anyway.

      Utilities are up due to cold. Everything else is down.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   4 months ago

    New York's supreme court is weighing whether voting by noncitizens should be allowed in New York City elections.

    Trump won too much of New York.

    1. MollyGodiva   4 months ago

      How is it relevant who they voted for? It is a state law issue.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

        Let's have a vote on your suicide.

      2. Bertram Guilfoyle   4 months ago

        Holy fuck, you are stupid.

      3. Don’t get eliminated (all the sudden I have no idea where I am on the list)   4 months ago

        “New York's supreme court”

        Retard.

        1. Ska   4 months ago

          And contrary to standard English, the NY Supreme Court is the lowest tier of court in the state.

        2. TrickyVic (old school)   4 months ago

          Which is NY state's lowest court.

          1. Jefferson Paul   4 months ago

            NY's minor courts identify as important, supreme courts. You need to affirm the identity of minor courts or they'll commit suicide.

      4. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

        So you have to wear a helmet for your own safety in your daily life?

  17. Fist of Etiquette   4 months ago

    The most charitable take on [diversity, equity, and inclusion programs in the government] is that they're a waste of money...

    Fine, I'll listen to the latest Just Asking Questions, BUT ONLY FOR THE LEAST CHARITABLE TAKE.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

      Following the path of Boehllum.

  18. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

    U.S. District Judge George A. O’Toole Jr. lifted a pause on the Trump administration’s deferred resignation program. He ruled that federal employee unions lack legal standing to challenge the voluntary buyout initiative.

    The unions had sued to block the program which offered their members from accepting a voluntary buyout package.

    1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   4 months ago

      People aren’t allowed to make decisions for themselves.

    2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

      A judge also rejected a TRO sought to stop DOGE from looking into school loans.

      1. rbike   4 months ago

        Do I need to be worried about spending a good portion of my student loans on extracurricular activities? Asking for a friend.

  19. Fist of Etiquette   4 months ago

    ...NYC Mayor Eric Adams will basically do the bidding of any and all Trump administration officials because of a possible deal they made.

    Live by the lawfare sword; die by the lawfare sword.

    1. Commenter_XY   4 months ago

      It was a routine agreement made by prosecutors. The DOJ cuts deals like this every day to get pleas. This is just hyperventilating.

      One good thing: We got rid of 7 non-essential DOJ bureaucrats in SDNY.

      1. mad.casual   4 months ago

        This is just hyperventilating.

        Apparently, all the *coordinated* arrests people for videos of scooters on rainbow sidewalks, tearing down statues, burning churches (which generally went unreported while one, single AAPI shooting garnered several news cycles), forced transgender bathroom support, burn shit to the ground, loot, and get a free pass of the past *decade* is just a bunch of weightless trifles of how a functioning democracy is supposed to work.

        Somebody brought up Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution yesterday and had it was confused with Hitler's Enabling Act which granted him literal dictatorial power. It continues to be astounding how the popular narrative of "And then, for no particular reason at all, the German people elected Adolph Hitler." is, relative to the known facts that Weimar Germany was already an anti-nationalist/cosmopolitan, social democracy declining into the throws of socialism.

    2. Spiritus Mundi   4 months ago

      The lawfare here being the fugative slave act. There is hell to pay for leaving the DNC plantation.

      1. Ajsloss   4 months ago

        Just ask Shrike Senater Tim Scott.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

        Funny, that was also passed into law by Democrats.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

          Democrats, telling black people what to do, since 1827!

  20. Commenter_XY   4 months ago

    @LizWolfe....The Valentine's Day greeting was exactly the right tone.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

      Better than Jeffs valentines day meme.

      https://x.com/factpostnews/status/1890480654921466301

      1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   4 months ago

        That was pathetic.

      2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

        The left can’t meme.

        1. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   4 months ago

          Probably because they don’t have souls.

      3. Commenter_XY   4 months ago

        That was hysterically funny, mostly because I could totally see chemjeff making that candy, lol.

      4. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   4 months ago

        I also liked the ‘Don’t Cr Cryo’ ad a few posts below. I’ve wanted to send d elf rats to Antarctica for a long time now. Expatriating them to Mars is even better.

      5. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

        From the comments, a perfect analogy from Kat Timpf.

    2. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

      As a resident of a border state, I found it basically the perfect love letter to America from the White House.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

        Same. Have watched 2 small towns go bankrupt due to the increasing numbers.

  21. Fist of Etiquette   4 months ago

    Top US and Russian officials started meeting in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday to discuss how to end the war in Ukraine...

    Ukraine and Europe had their chance, I guess.

    1. Social Justice is neither   4 months ago

      To be fair the US administration was against the end of the killing then but if you cannot override a corpse you kinda get what you deserve.

    2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

      Raytheon, too.

  22. Fist of Etiquette   4 months ago

    Bay Area death cult leader Ziz is in custody.

    I really don't think we're allowed to be talking about this.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   4 months ago

      Jeffy sure wants to ignore it.

    2. VULGAR MADMAN   4 months ago

      Now why would that be?

    3. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   4 months ago

      Why not? She didn't say gay

    4. Wizzle Bizzle   4 months ago

      In fairness, you'd be pretty stabby too if you were in a vegan cult. Which I guess is redundant since all veganism is a cult.

  23. Longtobefree   4 months ago

    "The U.S. government has also tried another strategy: Guantánamo Bay."

    If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

    1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

      I mean, we don't have to detain them in Guantanamo Bay. There's a gate in that fence.

      "We're taking this plane to Cuba!"

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

        Gate? These people are proven border-ninjas that don't need gates.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

          We could spring for some of those one-way turnstile gates like they have to exit a mass transit system.

          https://www.grainger.com/product/TURNSTILE-Hi-Gate-Turnstile-1-Way-2XHX7

        2. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

          Yeah, but taking them to where the adjoining road in Cuba is, where there is a gate, and making them climb over it instead of just opening it seems excessive.

        3. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

          Well, climbing the fence at Gitmo isn't long term survival strategy. There's a minefield on the other side. A Bouncing Betty is one way to reduce the number of detainees I guess.

  24. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

    "MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell explains how Elon Musk, whose only mission in government is to cut payments, has gained control over Social Security and put those payments in jeopardy for the first time,"

    MSNBC should know that those payments were NEVER guaranteed. They've ALWAYS been in jeopardy.

    Congress regularly tries to pass some form of "Social Security Guarantee" law, but it never passes.

    1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   4 months ago

      It’s important that we continue to pay people that are 150 years old.

      1. Longtobefree   4 months ago

        If we take them off the SS database, how can they register to vote?

    2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

      "has gained control over Social Security"

      They just can't stop telling stupid, obvious lies (fools my sweet but very boomer aunt though).

  25. But SkyNet is a Private Company   4 months ago

    How Rubio should have responded to Margaret Brennan:

    "Do you realize what you've said? By your own employer's editorial standard, what you have just engaged in is misinformation, at best, and hate speech at worst. So, what should happen now? Should you be fined? Imprisoned? Should CBS News content be taken off the internet? Should any CBS news broadcast be labeled with a "Warning: Disinformation" on the screen?

    Luckily, you live in a free republic where you can get away with such shocking displays of ignorance. Luckily, I belong to a government administration dedicated to to preserving your freedom to say what you believe, no matter how wrong you are. So, you and your employer will not be sanctioned for what you just said. I hope you see the benefit in that, and preserving that right for your fellow Americans, and free people around the world. Instead, I'll simply exercise my free speech and tell you that was a colossally idiotic comment."

    1. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

      He could also have gone with

      "Ms. Brennan, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

      1. Ajsloss   4 months ago

        Or a simple "wrong" would've done just fine.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

          High Principal: You remain one point ahead. [to Eric] Mr. Gordon, it is your turn. [to Billy] Mr. Madison, choose the topic.

          Billy: [examines the topic chart] I choose "Business Ethics".

      2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

        The Billy Madison quote is forever useful and valid. And will never not be funny as hell.

      3. Fire up the Woodchippers! (Trump Ascendant!! )   4 months ago

        Democrats have no souls.

    2. Don’t get eliminated (all the sudden I have no idea where I am on the list)   4 months ago

      Rubio did pushback, but in the most civil, vanilla way possible. Imagine if she’d pulled that stunt on Vance.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

        Even that fairly anodyne response was enough for the producer to have her beat a hasty retreat and go to commercial.

        Bear in mind this is the same partisan whore that cut Vance's mic in the VP debate. She literally believes anything the right says can be censored at will. Rats have more functional utility than that diseased cunt.

        1. Don’t get eliminated (all the sudden I have no idea where I am on the list)   4 months ago

          I think at this point this administration should just refuse to talk to her. Let Trump make a post explaining why.

  26. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

    Female Islamist (ISIS-affiliated) terrorist arrested in UK. Mug shot take. Mug shot officially replaced after being re-taken with subject wearing burqua, so that only her eyes are visible.

    She wanted to martyr her kids for the cause, too.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/02/17/why-are-british-police-pandering-to-an-islamic-state-terrorist/

    Call me harsh, but when a woman who has sworn allegiance to the Islamic State says she doesn’t like her police mugshot, surely the response should be: ‘Tough shit.’ Not in the West Midlands, it seems.

    Naturally, police issued an image of Ms Jami shortly after her conviction. That’s what happens in civilised countries with an open system of justice: we the people get to see who has been convicted in our name. But then Jami’s lawyer complained. His client was horrified by the cops’ unholy image, he said. They pressed the police to release a better, purer, more Islamic one. And they did. They complied. They bowed and scraped before the eccentric religious beliefs of a woman who loves ISIS, issuing a new mugshot showing her cloaked in that bleakest of garments, the niqab. Now all we could see were her eyes. Allah might be pleased, but Justice will be furious.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

      The UK is dead. Brexit came too late (and the overlord resistance is too entrenched).

  27. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

    The beast's media are losing their minds.

    Media last week: The AP not being given rides on Air Force One is a blatant attack on free speech

    Media this week: What makes Germany great is that they imprison people for posting memes

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

      Forgot this part:

      CBS joined German police to conduct a raid on a citizen for posting a meme online

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

        Jeffsarc nods in agreement.

        1. Don’t get eliminated (all the sudden I have no idea where I am on the list)   4 months ago

          Probably does more than nods but we don’t need to gross anyone out.

      2. TrickyVic (old school)   4 months ago

        Memes for thee but not for me.

      3. mad.casual   4 months ago

        That clip doesn't even get to the part where the three German LEOs say that it's illegal to repost and then laugh when talking about how Germans are surprised to learn that fact.

      4. I, Woodchipper   4 months ago

        The average normie in america favors this. We have so much more winning to achieve.

        1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

          Trump's approval rating is 55%, and a majority of Americans say for the first time in 20 years that America is on the right track.

          The evil spell has been broken, people are waking up and the monsters still haven't figured out how to cast another one yet.

  28. Moonrocks   4 months ago

    More evidence...that NYC Mayor Eric Adams will basically do the bidding of any and all Trump administration officials because of a possible deal they made

    Which is completely different from Mayor Eric Adams getting prosecuted because he didn't do the bidding of any and all Biden regime officials.

  29. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

    More fake news from the @AP

    1. DOGE doesn’t even have a Facebook page

    2. No air traffic controllers nor any professionals who perform safety critical functions were terminated

    FAA staff fired over the weekend included personnel that worked radar, landing and navigational aid maintenance, among others. Hundreds were fired, just weeks after a fatal mid-air collision in DC killed 67. One employee said they were harassed on Facebook by @DOGE prior to being fired. https://apnews.com/article/doge-faa-air-traffic-firings-safety-67981aec33b6ee72cbad8dcee31f3437
    SpaceX's role in FAA upgrades?

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

      Yeah. That story is hilarious. Jeff will be by to tell is why they are so trustworthy still though.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

      Should we expect less from Appalling Propaganda (AP)?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

        Be fair. Without USAID funding the quality of their made-up shit can't be as good.

  30. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

    "So paralysed are many politicians by the Islamist threat – so convinced are they of the despicable notion that taking an excessive interest in tackling Islamist terrorism somehow makes you ‘Islamophobic’, or risks pricking the prejudices of the non-Muslim majority – they’d rather mouth some platitudes before changing the subject.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/02/17/austria-and-the-normalisation-of-islamist-terror/

    The debris had barely been cleared from last Thursday’s Munich car attack – indeed, the two slain hadn’t yet succumbed to their injuries – when another suspected Islamist unleashed horror in another European city.

    Two days later, in the city of Villach in the south of neighbouring Austria, a 23-year-old Syrian asylum seeker slashed at passersby with a knife. A 14-year-old boy was killed and five others were hurt, two of them seriously. Among those wounded are two 15-year-olds.

    A photograph of the grinning alleged killer doing a one-finger salute, a gesture co-opted by ISIS, as he was apprehended fuelled speculation about his motives, now confirmed. Austrian officials say the suspect was radicalised by ISIS propaganda. He had an ISIS flag in his apartment and filmed a pledge of allegiance.

    This follows not only last week’s Munich attack, but also last year’s foiled attempt on a Taylor Swift concert in Vienna – an ISIS-inspired plot by two Austrian teenagers. Were it not for a tip-off by the US security services, Vienna could have faced its own Manchester Arena. In 2020, also in Vienna, another ISIS sympathiser gunned down four people and injured 23.

    Moreover, there’s the torrent of Islamist plots – many foiled, some not – that have rocked much of Europe over the past few years. The list is long and dizzying. The combination of Hamas’s pogrom in Israel and the rise of ISIS’s South and Central Asian franchise, ISIS-K, has inspired a new wave of Islamist barbarism here.

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   4 months ago

      Remind me why I have to get a full body scan at the airport?

      1. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

        And why my wife, who has a temporary Tracheostomy and G-tube has to have the trach and -g-tube swabbed for explosives at the airport? Do they really think a middle age white woman from North Idaho, with obvious medical problems is trying to sneak a bomb in her Tracheostomy?

        1. soldiermedic76   4 months ago

          My mom's best friend has a colostomy, which she is embarrassed enough by, and every time she flies they have to swab her colostomy too. A seniors citizen white woman from North Idaho, that has to shit in a bag for health reason is surely the demographic most likely to sneak in a bomb.

  31. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

    'So far, Costa Rica has opened its borders, receiving one flight of 200 deportees from Central Asia and India.'

    A new food truck paradise!

    1. I, Woodchipper   4 months ago

      Massive increase to their GDP about to occur

  32. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

    No nation should be expected to put up with this. The Munich attack yesterday, in which a Mini Cooper ploughed into a trade-union march, injuring nearly 40 people, was the fifth time in nine months that Germans flicked open social media or turned on the TV to learn that some disturbed or terroristic scumbag had slashed or rammed his way through their fellow citizens.

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/02/14/the-munich-attack-reveals-a-terrorised-germany/

    Just look at the attacks that were foiled of late. The combination of Hamas’s pogrom in Israel, which warmed the cockles of Islamist sadists the world over, and the tumorous resurgence of ISIS, particularly in South and Central Asia, appears to have inspired one plot after another in Germany.

    The list is chilling. A group of suspected Hamas members were arrested by German police in December 2023 for plotting to target Jewish sites. Last March, two Afghans, reportedly backed by ISIS, were arrested in Germany for planning to attack the Swedish parliament. A month later, a group of teenagers were arrested on suspicion of glorifying ISIS and a plan to throw Molotovs at churches. A suspected Iraqi ISIS member was arrested near Stuttgart in June. That same month, a 15-year-old was sent to youth custody for four years for his plan to attack a Christmas market in Leverkusen. During the Euros, an ISIS plot was foiled hours before the final in Berlin. In October, a Libyan citizen was arrested on suspicion of preparing an ISIS-inspired assault on Israel’s Berlin embassy. In December, a 37-year-old Iraqi asylum seeker was arrested for allegedly planning to attack a Christmas market in Augsburg. Within a few days, three young suspected Islamists were also arrested, over a plot to attack a market in Frankfurt or Mannheim. And breathe.

  33. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

    Liz... where are you seeing Adams is only legally off if he helps Trump? Here is your link:

    Maggie Haberman
    @maggieNYT
    Homan said of him/Adams on migrant crackdown, "If he doesn't come through, I'll be back in New York City...And we won't be sitting on a couch. I'll be in his office, up his butt, saying where the hell is the agreement we came to."

    You have to be reading this in the worst way possible to imply freedom for doing what Trump wants. The post mentions nothing regarding dropped charges. Adams has been agreeing with Trump on costs of illegals. They are looking at removing funds to sanctuary cities. But you've seemingly fallen for the narrative this agreement was in regards to jail time. You're dishonestly reading this in the most conspiracy minded way you can.

    Seeing as you freely post X posts. It hid this one behind a link, I think you know you were being disingenuous.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 months ago

      most conspiracy minded way you can.

      Lol. So three months from now she'll be proven correct.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

        I don't see Trump threatening the same use of DoJ lawfare as the left does. He even keeps his booking photo in the Oval Office.

        1. TrickyVic (old school)   4 months ago

          What I find funny is years ago the left replace the words criminal, felon, and whatnot with the phrase "justice involved".

          When I'm around liberals and they say Trump is a felon I like to say we call it justice involved. They get pissed at their own handywork.

          Hypocrites.

    2. I, Woodchipper   4 months ago

      Even if true, the Feds make deals in exchange for cooperation all the time. If anything it's the primary purpose of a prosecution most of the time.

    3. Stupid Government Tricks   4 months ago

      Two of the Volokh Conspirators have been "debating" this recently, and now a third has waded in, with what seems a less hysterical take than others, and he is a former federal prosecutor.

      https://reason.com/volokh/2025/02/18/the-motion-to-dismiss-the-charges-against-mayor-adams-is-easily-supportable/

      1. Marshal   4 months ago

        It always seems to boil down to the same argument: yes what Trump is doing is within precedent. But it's different because when we did it we had respectable left wingers doing it to people we hate, not Trump doing it to us.

  34. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

    It's been like every day is my birthday for the last month.

    Former RNC Chair Who Now Works for MSNBC Has Total On-Air Meltdown About Elon Musk and DOGE (VIDEO)

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

      We need to realize that the entire purpose of the Republican party prior to Trump was to contain the right so that times like these never happened.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

        The controlled opposition. It’s worse in some states than others. It got so bad in Illinois that we call the Democrats and their Republican sycophants, The Combine. The Republicans don’t even bother to put up opposition candidates in some districts anymore, and the Illinois GOP is absolutely pathetic.

        1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

          The Republicans don’t even bother to put up opposition candidates in some districts anymore

          I mean, it does seem rather futile in some of them.

        2. Spiritus Mundi   4 months ago

          DhimDemmitude

        3. Marshal   4 months ago

          It makes you think if the Libertarian Party appealed to rank and file Republicans rather than maximizing differences they could achieve something for libertarianism.

          1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

            But the Reason-tier libertarians have as much disdain for the working class as the uniparty does.

            Maybe we should get all the commenters together and form our own libertarian magazine.

            1. Don’t get eliminated (all the sudden I have no idea where I am on the list)   4 months ago

              I posted in the Petti article that I’ve been going to the X post for some of the more ridiculous Reason articles to read the responses. Among the hundred or so comments for that article ripping Reason was someone from Glibs promoting their site.

            2. Marshal   4 months ago

              Anyone who came through journalism school knows most media jobs are reserved for left-wingers. Even people who are liberal rather than leftist hide or minimize their rightmost views, and the more ambitious they are the further left this self-interest will push them. It's so bad having a single non-doctrinaire principle gets you ostracized, hence Yglesias, Bari-Weiss, Singal and others being expelled from the left.

              Do you think Liz has a shot at the Weigel career path? Well Weigel had no shot at it either until he proved he hated the right.

              I guess that's the long way of saying I don't think it's disdain for the working class as much as it is a response to economic incentives.

    2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

      He's part of the "principles first" summit.

      https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1891647879044886611

      Very sarc like on his lack of self awareness.

      1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

        So much grift in one small room.

      2. Don’t get eliminated (all the sudden I have no idea where I am on the list)   4 months ago

        That’s a whole lot of TDS in one summit. I’m sure there will be a lot of in depth discussion about “principals”.

        1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

          We should all chip in and send Sarcasmic.

    3. Mike Parsons   4 months ago

      I really didnt think we could have this much winning

      Also, relevant:

      https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pti5vnDsAlM

      Teacher crashout Trump tirade

      1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

        This is what the media and Lying Jeffy are doing to stupid people. Glad he got fired, but I hope he doesn't go shoot up a church or something.

      2. Don’t get eliminated (all the sudden I have no idea where I am on the list)   4 months ago

        Hilarious.

    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

      Is that referring to Michael Steele? He's been a shitlib mouthpiece ever since Trump took hold of the party.

      1. Mike Parsons   4 months ago

        A perfect representative of the bush-romney neocon, controlled opposition, (R)epublican party that was. Of course he is spinning out.

    5. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

      Better still, it's been like every day isn't my birthday for the last month!

      (Yeah, OK, I'm starting to feel old. 😉 )

      1. Jefferson Paul   4 months ago

        Are you one of the 150 year olds Musk found still on the SSA database?

        1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

          Not quite that old. But like Leonard Cohen put it, "I ache in the places where I used to play."

    6. mad.casual   4 months ago

      I wish somebody would get off their fat ass and say something about it.

      It's like the most beta, cucked, performative political idiocy I think I've ever seen. Beyond parody:

      I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's worth, banks are going bust, shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter. Punks are running wild in the street and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it. We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat, and we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be. We know things are bad - worse than bad. They're crazy. It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out anymore. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we are living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, 'Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone.' Well, I'm not gonna leave you alone. I want you to get mad! I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot - I don't want you to write to your congressman because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street. All I know is that first you've got to get mad. You've got to say, 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, God damn it! My life has VALUE!' So I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window. Open it, and stick your head out, and yell, 'I'M AS MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE!... I just think someone ought to say something, you know?

  35. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

    "That they're actively subverting the American constitutional order and promoting harmful race-based policies that are reorganizing the country."

    The DNC-media-academia-Hollywood-WEF industrial complex approves. But needs to replace USAID funding to continue this vital work. Won't you help?

  36. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

    'New York's supreme court is weighing whether voting by noncitizens should be allowed in New York City elections. Local Law 11, which was passed in 2022, "would allow green-card holders and individuals with work permits who have lived in the city for at least a month to cast ballots in municipal elections," reports Politico.'

    Aaaannnndddd...another "right wing conspiracy comes true!

    How many are we up to now?

    1. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

      This is sort of an opposite list, one of false media stories.

      https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2025/01/21/nolte-elons-nazi-salute-marks-first-media-hoax-of-trumps-second-term/

      Elon Musk Nazi Salute Hoax
      Springfield Bomb Threat Hoax
      Trump Called for Liz Cheney to Be Executed Hoax
      Violent Crime Down Under Biden/Harris Hoax
      Arlington Cemetery Hoax
      Kamala Was Never America’s Border Czar Hoax
      Russia Collusion Hoax
      Hands Up, Don’t Shoot Hoax
      Jussie Smollett Hoax
      Covington KKKids Hoax
      Very Fine People Hoax
      Seven-Hour Gap Hoax
      Russian Bounties Hoax
      Trump Trashes Troops Hoax
      Policemen Killed at Mostly Peaceful January 6 Protest Hoax
      Rittenhouse Hoax
      Eating While Black Hoax
      Border Agents Whipping Illegals Hoax
      NASCAR Noose Hoax
      Georgia Jim Crow 2.0 Hoax
      Trump Assaulted Secret Service Agents and Grabbed Steering Wheel of Beast Hoax
      MAGA Assaulted Paul Pelosi Hoax
      COVID Lab Leak Theory Is Racist Hoax
      Hunter Biden’s Laptop Is Russian Disinformation Hoax
      Joe Biden Will Never Ban Gas Stoves Hoax
      COVID Deaths are Overcounted Is a Conspiracy Theory Hoax
      Mass Graves of Native Children in Canada Hoax
      Trump Killed Japanese Koi Fish Hoax
      Trump Told People to Drink Bleach Hoax
      Hamas Hospital Hoax
      If Reelected, Trump Will Execute People Hoax
      The 900,000 Kids Hospitalized with Coronavirus Hoax
      Dozens of Environmental Hoaxes
      The Alfa Bank Hoax
      Libs of TikTok Murdered Non-Binary Teen Hoax
      Aaron Rodgers Sandy Hook-Truther Hoax
      ‘Bloodbath’ Hoax
      Biden ‘Sharp-as-a-Tack’ Hoax
      Iowa Poll Hoax

    2. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

      https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1515112352495396

      https://lidblog.com/true-2023-2024/

    3. TrickyVic (old school)   4 months ago

      Green card holders are documented immigrants that are going through the legal process. It's not illegals coming in and voting.

      I'm not a fan of it. but at least these are people following the law.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

        But still fulfills the "Democrats want immigrants to swell their voting rolls" meme.

      2. Jefferson Paul   4 months ago

        It says green card holders (legal immigrants with permanent status) OR anyone with a work permit. Weren't they offering work permits to everyone that was flown into the country by the Biden admin? The Haitians in Springfield were under TPP status, or something like that, I believe, for example. So if they are allowing ANYONE with a work permit to vote, that would apply to many more than just traditional green card holders.

  37. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

    This is the entire Democratic Party platform: rich people pretending to be good people calling working class people racist and stupid for refusing to vote to make rich liberals even richer.

  38. Alan Vanneman   4 months ago

    "an extra helping of cruelty seemingly designed to excite his base."

    Which totally includes you, girlfriend.

  39. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

    What if we send all the Palestinians to Ukraine, and all the Ukrainians to Gaza?

    1. Longtobefree   4 months ago

      Well then, Russia would have to invade through Israel, or mount an amphibious assault.

      1. Lester75   4 months ago

        Poisoner Putin will grift on Trump, Ukraine and the U.S. Trump is not smart enough to negotiate with the KGB.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

          Then explain why, between January 20, 2017 and January 20, 2021, Putin did nothing in Ukraine, but invaded prior (Obama) and after (Biden).

  40. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 months ago

    When the countries migrants originate from refuse to take them back in, where are they supposed to go? And who ought to foot their bill?

    Increase fee for legal visas to the citizens of said home country. May not work for all countries but would get China to pony up some.

  41. sarcasmic   4 months ago

    Meanwhile, Trump is apparently angry that deportation numbers aren't higher and that his preferred targets—between 1,200 and 1,400 arrests of illegal immigrants per day—are not yet being met.

    Let's see.
    365 * 4 * 1,200 = 1,752,000
    365 * 4 * 1,400 = 2,044,000

    And there's somewhere between eleven and twenty million illegals in the country.

    That means that, even if he were to attain his goal, well over 80% of the illegal population (that assumes no new people entering the country during this time) will remain after he's done.

    I suppose that's good enough for government work.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

      Lol. God you're a fucking idiot. If he reduces it by 20% instead of increasing it by 20% (being generous for Biden), it is a win.

      You're fucking terrible at logic.

      1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

        There was no logic in my post you fucking moron. Just math. Which shows you have no understanding of either. Then you try to gaslight me with your stupidity? Fuck man, you make my head hurt.

        1. Mickey Rat   4 months ago

          Math is logic applied to the manipulation of numbers.

          All you saying then is that your math is bad.

          1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

            Math uses logic, but it isn't logic. I'll give you points for trying to be clever, but then take them away for being stupid.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

              It might help if you tried using logic every so often. You might find your original arguments lacking.

            2. Mickey Rat   4 months ago

              Aw, can I get you a salve for your butthurt?

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

                Chip in for the tube of Preparation H?

                1. Don’t get eliminated (all the sudden I have no idea where I am on the list)   4 months ago

                  Is there a way to consume it to get intoxicated? Cuz if there is sarc’s not going to use it properly anyway.

            3. Don’t get eliminated (all the sudden I have no idea where I am on the list)   4 months ago

              Too funny.

        2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

          There was no logic in my post

          On this we agree.

          Your attempted Nirvana Fallacy is so bright you can see it with even Jeff standing in front dumbass.

          1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

            Is that what the voices tell you? Sorry to disagree with them, but they're wrong. I was simply pointing out that your goal of rounding up tens of millions of vermin is not going to happen, even at Trump's desired rated of abduction. Too bad, so sad.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

              You were using it because your TDS is so bad, you can’t help yourself.

            2. TrickyVic (old school)   4 months ago

              ""I was simply pointing out that your goal of rounding up tens of millions of vermin is not going to happen,""

              But were you promoting that it would happen?

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

                I’m just amazed that Sarc called them “vermin” after he and Jeffy claimed that calling them “vermin” dehumanized them.

              2. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

                I mean, generally speaking, it's true that rounding up tens of millions of them won't happen. But if you stop feeding them, they'll go somewhere else. I hear Quebec is nice.

            3. Don’t get eliminated (all the sudden I have no idea where I am on the list)   4 months ago

              Look at Hitler over here.

        3. Don’t get eliminated (all the sudden I have no idea where I am on the list)   4 months ago

          “There was no logic in my post you fucking moron. Just math.”

          Classic sarc.

      2. sarcasmic   4 months ago

        Also it's very telling that you think 20% is an A+. Probably because you're college GPA was a 2.0. Which would make sense considering how little you know about logic and math.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

          Great way to start the day, Sarc, use some ad hominems and just let your JDS and TDS lead the way.

        2. Bertram Guilfoyle   4 months ago

          Everything sarc learned about logic was from wikipedia pages.

        3. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

          Better = A+ ?

          Again. I point to your lack of logic.

          1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

            You said "a win" not "better".

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

              And what’s your idea of a “win”, Sarc? Increasing numbers like under Biden?

              1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   4 months ago

                ‘Trump isn’t deportation hard enuff!’

                /sarcasmic

                1. Bertram Guilfoyle   4 months ago

                  ‘Trump isn’t deportation nazi'ing hard enuff!’

            2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

              It is a win. Just like it was a win for every D- you got when you barely passed HS.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

      And there's somewhere between eleven and twenty million illegals in the country.

      That's been the go-to figure for decades. I doubt it's actually that low.

      1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

        If so that would mean Trump's desired rate of arrest would result in much less than 20% of illegals being removed, making him a piss-poor Deporter in Chief.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

          Dumbass, did it ever occur to you that arresting and deporting a percentage while denying benefits to the rest will make more go voluntarily at no extra cost to the US taxpayer?

          1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

            No. No it did not occur to him.

          2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

            While not continuing to grow the problem as well.

            It is just like he pretends to want to cut spending with his fuck you cut spending comments, then the very next comment is attacking Trump or DOGE for doing so. He is a lying shit poster Democrat.

        2. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

          Ahh, but we grade on a curve. So he's doing way better than the previous "classmates". His administration is currently operating at about 400% the previous admin's rate.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

      Now do the self-deportation rate and the cuts in incoming illegals.

      1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

        I'm working with the numbers I have. I don't have numbers for those things. Though the math isn't hard. If you have the numbers then I'm sure you could do it yourself without me holding your hand. If you can't, find an eighth grader to help.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

          Ideas!

          1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

            Let me know when you have one and I'll call Guinness.

            1. Bertram Guilfoyle   4 months ago

              You can't afford guinness.

              1. Don’t get eliminated (all the sudden I have no idea where I am on the list)   4 months ago

                And it’s surprisingly low in abv.

                1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

                  They make a version that isn't!

                  Though they also make a version that's non-alcoholic. I've tried it. It's... not atrocious, but not as good as the real thing, especially on draft.

            2. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

              I see you've once again reached the stage where childish playground insults are all that you have to offer.

              1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

                Coming from a guy who thinks "Ideas!" is an intelligent response, that means zippo.

                1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

                  You’re just full of ideas today, aren’t you?

                  1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

                    When he is rarely here anymore he has to lay his ideas out in rapid repetition.

                    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

                      Who's rarely here, and does anyone know who this sarcasmic guy is?

                2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

                  Ideas!

                3. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

                  Well, you see, "Ideas!" harkens back to the days when you tried to argue that you never attack and insult people, and that people constantly attack you with vicious insults when you only want to discuss ideas.

                  So when you immediately jump to insults, I use "Ideas!" as a shorthand to try to gently remind you of your self-professed higher aspirations.

                  Somedays it feels like you just need to get dumped into the mute pile but I try to resist doing that because I admit that on occasion you manage to put up something worth reading and have not demonstrated that you're an irredeemable piece of shit like Misek or mtrueman.

                  1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

                    I would never mute Sarckles. Not ever.
                    Reading Sarc is like watching all those YouTube clip's of guys getting hit accidentally in the junk.

                    1. Jefferson Paul   4 months ago

                      Next up on the violence channel, "Ow, My Balls!"

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWfOMeLk6m0

                    2. Stuck in California   4 months ago

                      Mike Judge is a national treasure.

            3. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

              You couldn’t make a world record even drinking as you fail that much.

        2. Bertram Guilfoyle   4 months ago

          I'm working with the numbers I have.

          Got any from Hamas lately?

          1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

            Lol.

        3. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

          In other words, you don’t want to do any work or educated guessing. You just want to say “orange man bad” and call it a day.

        4. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

          Not sure if there's any agency tracking self-deportation rates.

          American Immigration Council: We assume that roughly 20 percent of undocumented immigrants will depart prior to arrest...

          AP: Self-deportation helps Trump to achieve his goals without the government having to spend or do anything.

          Newsweek: During his first term, logistical hurdles and limited resources capped deportations at 350,000 annually. However, "self-deportation" offers a way for the administration to reduce the migrant population without expending significant resources.

    4. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   4 months ago

      Why do you hate progress?

    5. Marshal   4 months ago

      That means that, even if he were to attain his goal, well over 80% of the illegal population (that assumes no new people entering the country during this time) will remain after he's done.

      Question: Is sarc too stupid to understand this presumes the deportations stop after 1 year or is he intentionally misleading people?

      Answer: Why would it matter?

      1. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

        Actually, he accounted for 4 years. But the question remains...his argument appears to be that since we cannot get to 100%, we might as well not even bother.

        Maybe the point is to simply lay out the numbers to demonstrate how much of the problem will be "solved", without any unstated agenda. But given the overall level of snark involved, I'm not likely to believe it if he says that.

    6. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

      Rape cases are solved at about 25% success rate. Clearly a failure. Might as well stop even trying and expending all the resources we expend on this issue, since there's not a chance of ever catching and convicting them all.

      Is that the gist of the argument here?

      1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

        Well, calling it "rape" is really just enforcing borders anyway, and everyone knows borders are bad.

  42. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

    The FAA apparently now operates in Canada because Trump.

    NBC’s Tom Costello instantly blames President Trump, Elon Musk, and DOGE for the Delta plane crash in Toronto.

    Really can’t hate these people enough.

    1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   4 months ago

      But not the pilot who slammed the aircraft into the runway.

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   4 months ago

        That could have been wind sheer.

        1. Longtobefree   4 months ago

          Equally likely it was a meteor.
          Look at the video.
          Very high rate of descent, right main landing gear collapse, right wing shears off. Plane flips.

          1. Stupid Government Tricks   4 months ago

            And wind shear can cause high rate of descent.

            1. Stuck in California   4 months ago

              Explain to us what wind shear is.

              Please. I'd love to hear your educated opinion.

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

      Not just that, but the fact that they have no other approach to the "news" anymore other than the same old Squealer style rote statements.

      Journoscum like Tom Costello and Margaret Brennan need to be shoved through a woodchipper.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

        But what is worse? The retard-level partisan journoscum or the retard-level partisan media consumers? I am not sure any more of which is cause and which is effect.

    3. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

      I had assumed they would. But this take is ridiculous. Canada, Delta, pilot...not an ATC at all...but this clown does 1.5 minutes on how Trump caused this by cutting ATC?

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 months ago

        In Canada?

        1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

          Even in these latter days, it's an impressively stupid take.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

            Is that the same as "full retard"?

            1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

              I honestly don't know. I keep thinking that they've hit the limits of "full retard", and they keep proving me wrong.

          2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

            Go down a little bit in the comments and you'll see JFree try to imply the same thing.

            1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

              I'll have to take your word for it. Once he went full Nazi, I muted his ass, same as Misek.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

          Obviously they’re already the 51st state.

    4. Mike Parsons   4 months ago

      I was waiting for exactly this. Not surprised in the least.

  43. MollyGodiva   4 months ago

    Sending migrants to camps in other countries is dubious. If they have been legally deported from the US and no longer under us jurisdiction, why are they held prisoner? If they are under the jurisdiction of the US with a final deportation order but the deportation is not complete then why is the US sending our prisoners to another country to be held? If they do not have final orders, then this is a major due process problem.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

      Why are countries refusing the return of their own citizens dumdum?

      1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   4 months ago

        And why would they do that?

      2. MollyGodiva   4 months ago

        That does not justify imprisoning the person.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 months ago

          The person is a criminal, dipshit.

          1. MollyGodiva   4 months ago

            Then they need to be held in the US. Otherwise it is an 8A issue.

            1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

              No they don't. No it isn't.

            2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

              They’re not citizens, much less here legally.

        2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

          You do realize that the alternative, since they are felons for illegally entering the United States, would be to arrest and jail them here, right?

          1. MollyGodiva   4 months ago

            Either they are convicted felons then they need to be held in the US.

            1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

              All persons who committed a crime can have their visa status revoked and deported. Everyone who enters illegally can be deported. If their own countries refuse to take them, then this is the condition. There is zero constitutional or legal requirement to keep them domestically.

              1. MollyGodiva   4 months ago

                They are either deported and out of US jurisdiction or not. But they can't be held in limbo, being imprisoned by a third party country on behalf of the US.

                1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

                  They aren't in limbo. They are elsewhere.

                  If their home countries allowed them back they would even be there.

                  1. MollyGodiva   4 months ago

                    Under who's jurisdiction and laws are they subject to when elsewhere?

                    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

                      They are under jurisdiction of wherever they are citizens of retard.

            2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

              There’s the alternative, Molly, it’s called deportation, and has been used for centuries. It’s usually considered more humane than imprisonment. Did you think of that before retardedly spouting off with utter bullshit nonsense that’s full of shit in your usual ignorantly retarded way?

              1. damikesc   4 months ago

                I'll compromise with her and say we find a large island in the middle of nowhere and let them all live there.

                1. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

                  This is why Trump wants Greenland.

                  1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

                    I believe you mean Icetralia, good sir.

                  2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

                    You really are fully retarded, Molly. Now please run along and catch the short bus.

        3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

          OK, send them halfway back.

        4. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

          The person who illegally entered a country on their own volition?

          1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

            So, they've got a proven track record of being able to illegally cross borders, just get 'em close enough to that of their home country and tell 'em to wing it. At least they have the right to be there.

        5. Marshal   4 months ago

          Who said anything about imprisoning? As far as I can tell they're allowed to leave the camp whenever they want.

    2. Marshal   4 months ago

      We have a long and glorious history of deporting people to Sweden even when they're not from there.

      Since the legal precedent has been established I say we go with it.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

        Are you saying democrats might have done it first? Well we know FDR did.

        1. Marshal   4 months ago

          Roman Moroni, an organized crime figure, was famously deported to Sweden. He claimed he was not from there.

          1. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

            Could we deport them to Gaza?

    3. TrickyVic (old school)   4 months ago

      ""Sending migrants to camps in other countries is dubious.""

      So is paying the cartel to smuggle you in.

  44. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

    Well, well, well. From the World's Greatest Newspaper:

    Elon Musk's DOGE finds $4.7 trillion in Treasury payments on untraceable budget line - and no one knows where the money went
    The agency announced Monday that the Treasury Access Symbol, which are used to describe the account the money is linked to, was missing on a number of payments the Treasury Department has made.
    'In the federal government, the TAS field was optional for about $4.7 trillion in payments and was often left blank, making traceability almost impossible,' DOGE posted on X.

    We've known SS was a potential fraud pipeline for years, but even that figure is absolutely mind-boggling. Wonder what slush fund or fraudulent claims this went towards.

    Between this, the German government crying like a bunch of whipped bitches, and Margaret Brennan going Full Herbert Marcuse, this weekend has been an absolute delight.

    1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

      I looked at a couple articles about that looking for the time period. There's a difference between $4.7T in a year and $4.7T over forty years. Not that that excuses the waste, but a number without a timeframe can be misleading.

      1. Bertram Guilfoyle   4 months ago

        Not that that excuses the waste

        ...said as you're trying to find excuses for the waste.

        1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

          He always is.

    2. MollyGodiva   4 months ago

      This does not pass the sniff test. Like all of Musk's "announcements" this one is probably due to Musk not understanding something. My guess is the TAS was not on that particular spreadsheet or database they were looking at, but was in another.

      1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

        My guess it that that's the tally for the entire database, which makes it meaningless unless you know the number of years the database covers.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

          So you two dipshits would rather nitpick and cast doubt than wonder where the fuck $4.7 trillion went from the Social Security program. What the fuck are you, libertarians for graft, corruption, and waste?

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

            No, just dumb cunts.

          2. MollyGodiva   4 months ago

            I am not worried because I don't think there is a problem, just Musk being an idiot, as he has done so many other times since Jan 20.

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

              Molly, in your shoes, I’d be very careful about calling anyone else an idiot. Your own idiotic track record speaks for itself.

            2. DesigNate   4 months ago

              Hahaha

        2. DesigNate   4 months ago

          Knowing the government, the database is probably only 40 yers old (I highly doubt they’ve really bothered to digitize anything older than me).

          Even at 80 years, that’s $60Billion a year since FDR.

      2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 months ago

        "...Like all of Musk's "announcements" this one is probably due to Musk not understanding something..."

        He has a far better grasp of reality than TDS-addled lying lefty shits like you.

      3. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   4 months ago

        Yeah, I’m sure something slipped by the guy who runs several multi billion dollar companies.

        And who gives a fuck about the time frame? $4.7 trillion is a shit ton of mistakes.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

          There's no evidence any of this was fraud, waste, or abuse. It's a simple accounting thing the agency SHOULD have been doing all along but didn't. What it does demonstrate is that there's no connection between those expenditures and the authorization to spend the money. So it could be 0% waste/fraud or 100% waste/fraud and we may never know because the "public servants" didn't do that one simple part of their job. Easy enough to make the field mandatory in the computer system so that going forward no money will be spent without that authorization number--I assume that's one thing Musk was mentioning.

          1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

            There's no evidence any of this was fraud, waste, or abuse.

            True. Just means that there's no entry to track. Could be explained by something as simple as laziness. Which would be no surprise being that this is government we're talking about.

            Easy enough to make the field mandatory in the computer system

            Yup. Should have been required from the start.

            1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   4 months ago

              If any bookkeeper for any company did this, they would be fired.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

                And probably arrested for fraud.

                1. damikesc   4 months ago

                  By the same government who eschew such rules.

                  Dems whine about DOGE after trying to sic 87,000 IRS agents on Americans.

              2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

                Or arrested.

            2. TrickyVic (old school)   4 months ago

              ""Could be explained by something as simple as laziness."'

              But why guess, why not investigate?

      4. Incunabulum   4 months ago

        Turns out you didn't understand COBOL epochs either.

        Now you expect us to listen you here?

        1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

          If they're still using COBOL then that's a big problem right there.

          1. Medulla Oblongata   4 months ago

            No, it's not. COBOL is a perfectly good language and extremely well suited to the jobs it typically manages. Despite the verbosity of the language, the compiled code on mainframes is very compact and efficient (COBOL verbs map very close to 1:1 with IBM mainframe assembly instructions). I used COBOL for many years, and have been involved in COBOL-to-language of the day (Java, C++, ...) migration efforts. Virtually none of those produced systems as capable as the COBOL-on-mainframe solution.

        2. Chipper Chunked Chile Con Congress (ex NCW)   4 months ago

          But if they'd like to: https://iter.ca/post/1875-epoch/

      5. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 months ago

        Your "guesses" have the same vacuous validity as every other fake-ass claim you've been making.

        If you had any dignity left, you'd eat Kurt Cobain's breakfast.

    3. Mike Parsons   4 months ago

      "this weekend has been an absolute delight."

      The last month. So much fucking winning

  45. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 months ago

    "Four Bay Area locations are sinking at an alarming rate, with implications for sea level rise"
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/urban-infrastructure/environmental-sustainability/four-bay-area-locations-are-sinking-at-an-alarming-rate-with-implications-for-sea-level-rise/ar-AA1zhtMV?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    Should we tell 'em that subsidence had nothing to do with (the yet to happen) sea level rise?

    1. Don't look at me! (No longer muted!)   4 months ago

      The use of the word ‘sinking’ means they know it has nothing to do with water rising.

  46. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

    Remember the strident campaigns against littering? All the government and NGO media PSAs, including a teary pretendian? And how it was the Most Important Thing, and if we did not stop litter we would all die?

    I am in Tucson for a week visiting my daughter and her family. And since it it unhoused/experiencing homelessness/homeless/hobo/bum season, the number and size of "camps" is way up, as are the mounds of trash in public spaces. And I mean literal mounds. I have watched the progression in a couple of places as bums gather and pile all kinds of stuff.

    It is fun imagining how the compassionate but delusional minds of progressives have changed pet issues and priorities over the years.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

      Drive down golf links and look north.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

        I've been riding my bike along the Rillito and it looks like any shit hole country in places.

  47. AT   4 months ago

    Now that they've been deported, where do they go?

    Not here. Who cares.

    How much does it cost to deport? "ICE's average cost during the Biden administration for deporting a single person was about $10,500, including arrest, detention and the deportation flight," per NBC News.

    Why are we flying them? Use cargo ships. Much cheaper.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 months ago

      "How much does it cost to deport? "ICE's average cost during the Biden administration for deporting a single person was about $10,500, including arrest, detention and the deportation flight," per NBC News."

      A good argument for that fence, right there.

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   4 months ago

        The fence is presumably built on US territory, some distance from the legal border. They ought to just push them all through and close the door. Leave it to them to turn to that other government to feed and house them.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   4 months ago

      Think it's expensive to deport them. You should see how much it costs to keep them.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 months ago

        Pretty sure it was Freidman:
        'If you think medical costs are high now, just wait until they are 'free'.'

  48. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 months ago

    Jan 6 from someone arrested for "insurrection":

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcdSVbq9vTU

    It was worse than you thought.

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

      What a set-up.

      The sheer fascism and criminality of it all. Lying Jeffy, Shrike, J(ew)Free, White Mike, etc. really should be making us all an apology for pushing this narrative here.

    2. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

      Further on this, it is absolutely vital that the judges and prosecutors involved appear before a Nuremberg-type court.

      The sheer evilness and fraud of it all.

    3. Gaear Grimsrud   4 months ago

      A lot of these stories are trickling out. One of the biggest assaults on civil rights in the history of the republic and not a single Reason editor bothers to mention it unless they're defending it.

      1. Stuck in California   4 months ago

        Well, of course. Because. You know. Trump.

        --JS (probably)

  49. Mickey Rat   4 months ago

    "Now that they have been deported, where do they go?"

    The definition of "Not Our Problem".

  50. Incunabulum   4 months ago

    >So where are people going when they're sent "back home" if "back home"—China, Iran, Afghanistan, for example—won't take them?

    We can get the halfway back. After that it's not our problem.

  51. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 months ago

    "Hundreds protest Trump and Musk at S.F. City Hall, chanting ‘No kings on Presidents’ Day’"
    https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=hundreds+protest+Trump+on+President%27s+Day&mid=E3DB8E7336407D8E7A94E3DB8E7336407D8E7A94&FORM=VIRE

    "Hundreds". In "San Francisco".
    I can get a crowd that size to protest a dollar increase in parking ticket fines.

    1. I, Woodchipper   4 months ago

      The executive of the president is acting like a King when he cuts a single job from the bureaucracy he oversees.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

        Every job is sacred.
        Every job is great.
        If a fed is fired,
        Gaia gets quite irate.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 months ago

          ^+1

  52. tracerv   4 months ago

    Now that they've been deported, where do they go?

    That's a YP not an MP. Gravy train has pulled into the station.

    1. Ajsloss   4 months ago

      "Okay, now you're talking above my head. I don't know all of this industry jargon, YP, MP. All I know is that I can't get a record contract, we cannot get a record contract unless we take those tapes to the record company. And granted, the tapes themselves are a uh um oh, you own them, all right, but the magic that is on those tapes. That fucking heart and soul that we put onto those tapes, that is ours and you don't own that. Now I need to take that magic and get it over the record company. And they're waiting for us, we were supposed to be there a half hour ago. We look like assholes, man."

      1. tracerv   4 months ago

        Dirk!

  53. Incunabulum   4 months ago

    >And who ought to foot their bill?

    We'll foot the bill to get them out. After that? Who cares.

  54. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 months ago

    "The lawsuit remains another shameful attempt by xenophobic Republicans who would disenfranchise residents rather than promote a more inclusive and participatory democracy," said *a collection of lying lefty shits* in a statement.

  55. Stupid Government Tricks   4 months ago

    Ha! I know this one.

    When the countries migrants originate from refuse to take them back in, where are they supposed to go? And who ought to foot their bill?

    Tariffs! With every $100 in imports, you get a free deportee!

    Makes more sense than everything else Trump understands about tariffs.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 months ago

      Makes about as much sense (none) as anything else you post about Trump. Stuff your TDS up your ass, loser.

      1. Stupid Government Tricks   4 months ago

        The day you learn anything more about tariffs and jokes will be a fine day indeed.

  56. Stupid Government Tricks   4 months ago

    Someone knows what the most important thing is.

    it's not bad for New Yorkers to want to designate voting rights to people with skin in the game.

  57. damikesc   4 months ago

    "New York's supreme court is weighing whether voting by noncitizens should be allowed in New York City elections."

    Unless they can categorically prove that said ballots look QUITE different from regular electoral ballots and can also prove that they are not counted as votes in things like Presidential elections...then all NYC ballots should be disqualified from being counted at all for federal elections.

    They made a choice. Choices have repurcussions.

  58. I, Woodchipper   4 months ago

    The most charitable take on [diversity, equity, and inclusion programs in the government] is that they're a waste of money," Washington Free Beacon reporter Aaron Sibarium says. But the least charitable take? "That they're actively subverting the American constitutional order and promoting harmful race-based policies that are reorganizing the country."

    And the second is actually the correct take.

  59. I, Woodchipper   4 months ago

    Pretty awful if you care about the rule of law.,

    I'm caring less and less now days.

    "If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?"

  60. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 months ago

    "...Top US and Russian officials started meeting in Saudi Arabia on Tuesday to discuss how to end the war in Ukraine, without anyone from Kyiv involved," reports Bloomberg..."

    Ya know, Japan tried to meet with Russian officials on how to end WWII with the Allies WITHOUT ANYONE FROM WASHINGTON INVOLVED!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Bloomberg is a pile of shit, ain't he?

  61. Dillinger   4 months ago

    >>Now that they've been deported, where do they go?

    not here. Rockaway?

  62. BYODB   4 months ago


    So where are people going when they're sent "back home" if "back home"—China, Iran, Afghanistan, for example—won't take them?

    Why won't they take them, and how did they get here in the first place? Especially from places like Iran of Afghanistan.

    Seems like two pretty good questions.

  63. JFree   4 months ago

    More horrible aviation accidents to start the year:

    This ain't an accident folks. Wait at least a month or two before flying.

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

      Lol, are you blaming it on Trump?

      1. Marshal   4 months ago

        The Jews did, like 9-11.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

          Space lasers?

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   4 months ago

            That's in History of the World, Part 2.

  64. John Rohan   4 months ago

    In other words, Trump's mass deportation scheme has so far been a predictable mess: Chaotically carried out, with no real plan in place,

    In other words, exactly like the surge in irregular migration over the past 4 years.

    1. Mother's Lament - Buttplug = Neocons (same motive)   4 months ago

      Yup. And it's not a mess at all. They are calling it a mess because it is happening in the first place. Does anyone think the Koch-open-borders crowd at Reason would be any more happy if it was more precise and orderly in nature?

      Of course not...

      This is called concern trolling, the action or practice of disingenuously expressing concern about an issue you are against.

      1. Mike Parsons   4 months ago

        "Yup. And it's not a mess at all. They are calling it a mess because it is happening in the first place."

        We are watching the Elon buying Twitter spasm play out all over again.

        "He fired everyone! ITs a MESS! Twitter in shambles, will be gone soon! Everyone better get on mastodon! Stupid billionaire who isnt smart lost billions!"

        a couple months later...

        Twitter/X working just fine, with like 20% of the original workforce, and everyone still using it as the go to site for quick news and conversation.

        They are spazzing out because its working and they hate it

        1. Stuck in California   4 months ago

          the words "Chaos" and "Chaotic" were talking points. They just didn't stick as well as others, though Liz and a few others are still falling for it.

          Hell, even Reason was calling the Trump admin chaotic -- specifically that word -- before he was even inaugurated. You saw it around that time on at least 2 of the headlines on Drudge at any given time, a great place to see whatever the anti-trump narrative du jour is. Though even they've given up and moved on to the next narrative in the last couple weeks.

    2. mad.casual   4 months ago

      In other words, exactly like the surge in irregular migration over the past 4 years.

      Not 4, 6, if not upwards of 40. A plan was offered and rejected. A deal was offered in exchange for a, any, plan that could reasonably be offered in return; that was rejected. What we're getting now is the balance of pragmatism and force-of-will. If you wanted a plan, you should've been calling for if not implementing a plan for the last 6 yrs. rather than just saying, "Borders are like an abstract social construct." before and after "My mask protects you. Your mask protects me." like an utter moron.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   4 months ago

        "Borders are like an abstract social construct."

        Oh, I wish I had the link to the day that jeffy expounded on that. The pounding he took was epically brutal.

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