How a Chinese AI Company Found a Way Around America's Export Controls
DeepSeek made a more efficient product that the rules wouldn't hinder.

The release of Chinese AI startup DeepSeek's latest AI model disrupted the tech sector and caused $1 trillion in stock market losses on Monday. Nvidia, the world's leading graphics processing unit (GPU) manufacturer, lost $593 billion in market capitalization. American export controls on advanced semiconductors and manufacturing equipment, which were designed to hamstring Chinese AI companies like DeepSeek, incentivized the firm to forgo expensive hardware, resulting in a much more cost-effective AI model than its American counterparts.
DeepSeek released its R1 model last week, which performs on par with a similar model developed by OpenAI. R1 reportedly only cost $5.6 million to develop, which was made possible by using a cluster of memory-constrained Nvidia H800s instead of H100s, hundreds of thousands of which are used by American AI firms. (Export controls banned the sale of H100s to Chinese firms in September 2022 and H800s in 2023, which DeepSeek acquired before the ban took effect.)
To get around memory constraints, DeepSeek "programmed 20 of the 132 processing units on each H800 specifically to manage cross-chip communications [by modifying] a low-level instruction set for Nvidia GPUs," writes technology reporter Ben Thompson. The firm also employed a mixture of expert model and other software optimizations to reduce training and inference costs, explains Morgan Brown, Dropbox's vice president of product and growth for AI products. The optimization of hardware and software allowed the company to bring model training costs down from $100 million to $5 million, 100,000 to 2,000 GPUs, and reduce API costs by 95 percent, according to Brown.
Despite its superior efficiency, there are some things DeepSeek cannot do. If one prompts it to "tell me what happened at Tiananmen Square in 1989," it will respond, "Sorry, that's beyond my current scope. Let's talk about something else." DeepSeek, like all Chinese AI models, is legally required "to build the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)'s ideological censorship into their models," according to Human Rights in China, a nongovernmental organization founded by Chinese expatriates to advance human rights in China and abroad.
Though DeepSeek's responses are handicapped by CCP propaganda, its code is not: DeepSeek's open-source models are freely accessible to developers who may remove CCP censorship from the code, reports The Wall Street Journal.
American export controls on advanced GPUs and the equipment required for their manufacture did not stop Chinese AI development. They merely slowed it down and encouraged more computationally efficient development, hurting America's economic competitiveness and technological edge.
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HAs anyone actually used this deep seek?
I mean, lots of claims of "More efficient" etc... but I definitely don't trust an assistant editor at this shit show of a blog to really understand whether it actually works, or whether this is just the Chinese saying it works.
It’s more efficient in the way a model T is more efficient than a Cadillac.
I've used it. Not for anything important because the only way I could log on was via Google which means two thieves stealing everything. But it is impressive. Perplexity has deployed it - on US based servers. So it can be an option there.
It's more efficient because all its censorship is applied after the query runs, and doesn't have infer nearly as many things prior to execution.
Really?
A trillion drop in markets because of unverifiable Communist Chinese propaganda?
Who verified which chips are used, and how many of them?
Who audited the funding from the Communist party?
Dear God, some people will believe anything.
This story is from those wonderful folks that brought you the lab leak theory.
The traders in the centre of the market will in all likelihood have done enough research to know how much of a competitor DeepSeek really is. You don't see trillion-dollar declines simply due to a Reason articles and a panicked seller or two.
No, more likely from panic cascading sell orders. I don't know enough to be any kind of an expert, but I'm human and have seen lots of panic swarms.
Yeah, but there's a point where the traders in the middle start picking up cheap stock
Twitchy speculators were already itching to find a sell signal.
The market recovered nicely on Tuesday. People snapping up bargains.
If it's open-source, we'll know soon enough how real it is.
Under the assumption that it more or less lives up to its billing, that's great news. Creative destruction, keeping the US engineers challenged.
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"The site has a dedicated readership and an active comment section, fostering a community of engaged and informed individuals who discuss and debate the content" - ah, so that's what we do 🙂
From the perspective of text generation it seems pretty decent.
This is an example of what AI researchers call a hallucination.
Nope. That has a specific meaning in AI and the above isn't it.
Most of those things aren’t true.
Fail.
Aside from the obvious point that most of what you say isn't true either, the issue is how it compares with other AIs. I will bet that most if not all the critics here were too lazy to try it for themselves.
Meanwhile below is Gemini's response to the same question. Is Gemini significantly better than DeepSeek?
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an active comment section, fostering a community of engaged and informed individuals who discuss and debate the content.
Per sarcjeff, shrike, et al, the comment section is nothing but brainwashed trump defenders.
Don't forget ENB hates Reason commenters.
https://x.com/ENBrown/status/1601256561086988289
Her analysis seems about right. Most posters here are right-wingers if not outright Trump cultists, and it's amusing how many of them seem permanently pissed off at Reason's failure to go along with their non-libertarian opinions.
"...if not outright Trump cultists..."
Yeah, liking a guy who does what he promises to do and seems to be doing his damndest to shrink the government makes you a "cultist"...
To steaming piles of TDS-addled shits.
The conclusion does not follow from the evidence; the given quotation notes that most Reason commenters hate ENB, not the converse.
ChatGPT-4o-Latest has much the same to say about Reason.com. Perhaps because, as some people are claiming, DeepSeek was trained in part on data generated by ChatGPT LLMs.
Or perhaps all it does is asks ChatGPT for you.
Try asking a California based AI firm to generate an image of Newsom fking a dead goat. It will refuse. First because Newsom is a politician and is granted special protections from having his likeness used by AI. Second because it doesn't know where to send the loyalty payment check for the dead goats estate.
How did China beat us?
CTRL+C/CTRL+V
DeepSeek seems an apt name for any Chinese apps. I assume they're the ones doing the seeking.
Though DeepSeek's responses are handicapped by CCP propaganda, its code is not: DeepSeek's open-source models are freely accessible to developers who may remove CCP censorship from the code,
That is precisely why open source is a game changer. So what if DeepSeek's configuration is CCP-compliant. And a Tibetan version pisses the CCP off. And RFK's anti-vaxxer version turns parents into morons. It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. So the butchers AI puts it own value on products, money, etc. And the customer AI puts their own value on it all. And in - and ONLY in - the difference can trade occur where both sides gain value.
It will almost certainly have the down side of open source. But it opens up opportunities that Big Tech has been strangling (or trying to strangle) for a couple decades now.
Brought to you by “Libertarians” for the Chinese Communists . This rag is a sick joke
Then leave.
We'd prefer TDS-addled shit piles like you leave.
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