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J.D. Vance

Vance Picks a Fight With the Bishops

Plus: Israel's ceasefire(s), Chinese AI arms race, Waymo vandalism, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 1.27.2025 9:30 AM

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Vance spars with Catholic bishops: Vice President J.D. Vance, who is Catholic, said in a Sunday interview with CBS that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) has "not been a good partner in common-sense immigration enforcement."

"I think that the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops needs to actually look in the mirror a little bit and recognize that when they receive over $100 million to help resettle illegal immigrants, are they worried about humanitarian concerns?" Vance said. "Or are they actually worried about their bottom line?"

This follows several statements by the USCCB that condemn President Donald Trump's immigration-related executive orders, including the Department of Homeland Security guidance—instructing immigration enforcement to avoid "sensitive places" such as churches and schools—that was recently scrapped.

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"We recognize the need for just immigration enforcement and affirm the government's obligation to carry it out in a targeted, proportional, and humane way," declared the bishops in a statement (titled "Human Dignity is Not Dependent on a Person's Citizenship or Immigration Status") last week. "However, non-emergency immigration enforcement in schools, places of worship, social service agencies, healthcare facilities, or other sensitive settings where people receive essential services would be contrary to the common good. With the mere rescission of the protected areas guidance, we are already witnessing reticence among immigrants to engage in daily life, including sending children to school and attending religious services. All people have a right to fulfill their duty to God without fear. Turning places of care, healing, and solace into places of fear and uncertainty for those in need, while endangering the trust between pastors, providers, educators and the people they serve, will not make our communities safer."

Along with his cynical take that the bishops are more concerned with money than with fulfilling their Catholic duties, Vance asserted at one point that Trump's suspension of the refugee program, which has resettled some 3 million people in need since its start in 1980, made sense because not "all of these refugees" had been "properly vetted." That is a wild claim, since refugees probably qualify as one of the most vetted groups allowed to enter the country: Potential refugees register with the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees, which does an initial screening and refers those who qualify to U.S. State Department Resettlement Support Centers, which then interview applicants, verify their data, and submit background checks to a whole consortium of national security agencies, which then cross-check things like fingerprints with databases around the globe. It's a roughly two-year process, and the USCCB has historically been a huge partner in resettling refugees, assisting with about 18 percent of cases.

The interview—transcript here—was frankly frustrating to watch, because Vance appeared to be shifting back and forth between talking about refugees and immigrants more broadly; the actual refugee program has a higher standard of vetting, something he doesn't acknowledge in this interview (or in several prior ones).

"Our prayer is one of hope that, as a Nation blessed with many gifts, our actions demonstrate a genuine care for our most vulnerable sisters and brothers, including the unborn, the poor, the elderly and infirm, and migrants and refugees," wrote the USCCB. "The just Judge expects nothing less."

Huge developments in Gaza over the weekend: The fragile truce between Israel and Palestine appears, somehow, to be holding. On Saturday, the terrorist group Hamas released four female Israel Defense Forces soldiers who had been imprisoned in the strip since October 7. Israel, in turn, returned 200 prisoners to Gaza.

But that does not mean everything has been going smoothly. "Israel said it would delay the return of displaced people to northern Gaza, as required by the cease-fire agreement, partly because Hamas had reneged on a plan to release Arbel Yehud, a female Israeli civilian who was seized during the Hamas-led assault on Israel in October 2023," reports The New York Times. "After hours of tense negotiations, the two sides reached a new agreement late Sunday under which Hamas would hand over Ms. Yehud, along with other hostages, by the end of the week. In exchange, Israeli forces began allowing displaced Palestinians to move north on Monday morning, opening the coastal road to people on foot and a second, interior road to vehicles, which were subject to inspection." Now Gazans are returning to the north, vast swaths of which amount to nothing more than rubble.

Meanwhile in Lebanon: The Times also reports that "Israeli forces opened fire toward residents of southern Lebanon for a second straight day on Monday as people pressed on with attempts to return to their homes along the border, a day after at least two dozen people were killed and scores injured in Israeli attacks, Lebanese officials said." Over the weekend, the truce between Israel and Hezbollah was extended to February 18, with the 60-day withdrawal agreement—in which both Israel and Hezbollah must leave southern Lebanon, allowing space for both U.N. forces and the Lebanese Army to enter—extended further; it had expired on Sunday, but it's not clear why exactly Israel is not honoring the agreement, or what type of ramifications may result. The Israeli military has signaled that they consider violence necessary to continue to expel Hezbollah from the region (and secure the Lebanese Army presence), and they have told the Lebanese people attempting to reenter the area that they need to wait for approval. That's an awful lot of bloodshed for a ceasefire.


Scenes from New York: Vandals targeted the Israeli restaurant Miriam, in Park Slope, over the weekend. I don't know about you, but I'm pretty tired of the property destruction that activists think will somehow influence public sentiment about Israel/Palestine.


QUICK HITS

  • "US stocks were set for a steep selloff Monday morning after a surprise advancement from a Chinese artificial intelligence company, DeepSeek, threatened the aura of invincibility surrounding America's technology industry," reports CNN. "DeepSeek, a one-year-old startup, last week showed off a stunning capability: It presented a ChatGPT-like AI model called R1, which has all the familiar abilities, operating at a fraction of the cost of OpenAI's, Google's or Meta's popular AI models. The company said it had spent just $5.6 million training its newest AI model, compared with the hundreds of millions or billions of dollars US companies spend on their AI technologies."
  • True:

A good time to remember that vandalizing Waymos demonstrates the incredible trust we all have in big tech companies: Waymo is studded with cameras and are owned by a parent company with access to your email and detailed knowledge of your porn consumption habits. https://t.co/TFExypc6yt

— Byrne Hobart (@ByrneHobart) January 27, 2025

And yet, everybody knows that even though Google has life-ruining kompromat about everyone on earth, we don't think for a second that they'd abuse that privilege, even if we do hundreds of thousands of dollars of property damage for dumb reasons.

— Byrne Hobart (@ByrneHobart) January 27, 2025

  • Today I learned one of the teachers union contracts allows employees to be suspended for three days—but not fired—if a teacher is caught selling drugs. Also, they can be drunk at school up to four times before being fired on their fifth offense. Forgive me for thinking the standard should be a tad higher:

For those who don't think unions have too much power, here is an active union contract in Michigan.

Teachers can be drunk at school five times before they are fired. They can be high three times before losing their job. And they can MAKE AND SELL DRUGS and keep their job. pic.twitter.com/kXNOZkZvze

— Mackinac Center (@MackinacCenter) January 24, 2025

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    Vance spars with Catholic bishops...

    Catholicism relies on the ethnic vote.

    1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   6 months ago

      A good bishop would follow his flock.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

        With his bishopric?

    2. Randy Sax   6 months ago

      J.D. Vance is wrong about catholicism.

    3. Quo Usque Tandem   6 months ago

      “Sensitive places” = sanctuary.

      1. Kungpowderfinger   6 months ago

        ”However, non-emergency immigration enforcement in schools, places of worship, social service agencies, healthcare facilities, or other sensitive settings where people receive essential services would be contrary to the common good…”

        And with the current Pope, that probably includes Planned Parenthood.

        1. Fats of Fury   6 months ago

          https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/261557/vatican-cracks-down-on-illegal-entry-into-its-territory

    4. Minadin   6 months ago

      I don't really care, Margaret.

      1. Wizzle Bizzle   6 months ago

        You know, that really is what boils down to. The 80% normie crowd is done listening to all of these "enlightened" cry-bullies.

        You all had a long, terrible run on the top. Time to STFU and let those of us who aren't insane grifters run the show for a while.

        1. Nelson   6 months ago

          Yes, the economic success, low unemployment, and wage gains of the last four years have been awful. We should definitely stop being economically successful because “the other side” was in charge when it happened.

          1. Truthfulness   6 months ago

            Tell that to the millions of citizens that have been encountering inflation these past few years and are taking up multiple jobs. Economic success my balls.

            You're only engaging in self-deception at this point.

            1. Nelson   6 months ago

              And yet wage growth outpaced inflation. And, of course, the fact that they had a job in the first place was due to the strong economy. But you believe what you want, facts be damned.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

                Cite?

                1. Nelson   6 months ago

                  https://www.statista.com/statistics/185369/median-hourly-earnings-of-wage-and-salary-workers/

                  If you notice, the inflation-adjusted wages of Trump’s first three years (2017-2019) are noticeably lower than Biden’s (2021-2023), but the percentage difference between the low and high point throughout the entire 1979-2023 period is negligible. Only someone who wanted to believe things were awful but didn’t bother to check (or someone who checked, but didn’t like the answer and lied instead) would say that inflation-adjusted wages were statistically different during Trump and Biden’s Presidencies.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

            LOL, yeah, I'm sure your side will come up with some kind of variation of that nonsense that it hasn't tried in the last four years.

          3. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

            Real wages were down under Biden dumdum. Or are we pretending no inflation occurred again?

            1. Nelson   6 months ago

              No, they weren’t, dumdum. Inflation-adjusted wages have been flat for decades. Wage stagnation has been so continuous that it is the assumption in economics and has been since I was in college. Yes, 2021-2023 were similar to 2020 (and higher than 2016-2019), but every year on this chart (since 1979) is essentially the same thing.

              https://www.statista.com/statistics/185369/median-hourly-earnings-of-wage-and-salary-workers/

              Plus the fact that low unemployment is literally a hallmark of a strong economy is just something you want everyone to ignore, I guess.

              Your willful ignorance is only rivaled by your fervor in showing everyone how ignorant you are.

              1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

                Yet, inflation calculations never include what went up the most and vastly outpaced wages: food and fuel. Your argument is still full of shit, Nelson.

                1. Nelson   6 months ago

                  Oh, I see. “Sure, inflation-adjusted wages were slightly higher under Biden versus Trump, but ignore the facts. The real truth is that things were great under Trump and awful under Biden because … reasons.

                  Just to underscore your idiocy, the price of eggs, for example, rose precipitously because a bird flu outbreak (that still continues) led to the destruction of hundreds of millions of chickens. That had nothing to do with Biden (nor does it have anything to do with Trump now). But you just can’t help ignoring the truth if it doesn’t support your biases, can you?

                2. Nelson   6 months ago

                  And fuel?

                  https://www.in2013dollars.com/Gasoline-(all-types)/price-inflation

                  The inflation- adjusted price per gallon during Trump’s first four years was $3.36, $3.36 (-0%), 3.36 (-0%), and $3.31 (-1.5%). The price during Biden’s four years? $3.42 (+3.3%), $3.48 (+1.8%), $3.47 (-0%), and $3.15 (-10.1%). Note that the low point of Biden’s Presidency is over 6% lower than the lowest point of Trumps’s first term.

                  So since your bullshit has been exposed again, do you have some new irrelevant nonsense that you want to use to ignore reality?

          4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

            Yup, sacrificing our kids' genitals, furthering the authoritarian state (including our "official" media), and promoting cultural Marxism has all been worth it.

            1. Nelson   6 months ago

              You folks keep accusing people of mutilating genitals when it isn’t even the subject under discussion. It’s a bizarre and disturbing fixation on a few cases per year. You should seek help.

              Authoritarianism? All you have to do is listen to the present administration (or read totally, completely sane and non-authoritarian screeds from the Presiden’s son) to see what that looks like.

              And Marxism? You clearly have zero idea what Marxism is if you believe that anything that’s happened in the United States is any kind of Marxism.

              You really don’t have the slightest sense of self-awareness or basic understanding of terms, do you?

      2. soldiermedic76   6 months ago

        If churches hadn't abused the situation in numerous occasions (yes, I know providing sanctuary is a long tradition of the Catholic church, even for hardened criminals) maybe I would care.

        1. Nelson   6 months ago

          Yeah, screw that kindness to strangers and care for the poor and oppressed. Time for the cruel and vindictive Christians to take the wheel. Which, to be fair, is a frighteningly large percentage of them.

          1. soldiermedic76   6 months ago

            Oh fuck off with your sophomoric trope.

            1. Nelson   6 months ago

              Which one? That paleocons are cruel or that Christians who actually follow the Bible are constantly attacked by Christinas who only like the muscular parts of the Bible, like when it advocates genocide?

              1. soldiermedic76   6 months ago

                The latter is blatantly false, but a favorite talking point of leftist.

                1. Nelson   6 months ago

                  Well, you seem to be pretty upset that other Christians are doing Biblically-based things for the poor and sick and hungry because, in your particular interpretation of Christianity, there is apparently a bunch of asterisks in the Bible that conform to your modern political hatreds and biases.

                  You, someone who is absolutely a man of Christian faith, are denigrating others of Christian faith based on the fact that they think the Bible is a guide to moral behavior and you think it is a guide to moral behavior as long as they don’t do the nice and moral things for people you, for political reasons, don’t like.

                  That isn’t a leftist anything. That’s literally what you, a paleocon Christian, just said about other Christians who don’t share your anger, but instead care for all people who come in search of sanctuary and succor.

                  Your lack of self-awareness is breathtaking. Or your sense of irony is completely absent.

                  You should read the parable of the Good Samaritan again to get a refresher course on who deserves succor.

                  Come to think of it, that story is told by Jesus so perhaps it is a leftist talking point. Jesus would definitely be considered a leftist by you and your fellow travelers.

          2. soldiermedic76   6 months ago

            And just FYI, there is nothing humane or charitable about importing millions of unskilled workers, who have to work under the table, for poverty wages, and who will disproportionately become victims of crime as their undocumented status makes them perfect for exploitation. A true Christian, that truly valued love of thy neighbor would in no way support the creation of a permanent underclass. The churches practicing such are modern day versions of the Pharisees. Also, render unto Caeser that which is Careers and the Bible also teaches us to beware of the serpent who preaches scripture without understanding or twisting the words to further their own goals.

            1. soldiermedic76   6 months ago

              The true act of love would be for the church to provide them with money and a ticket home and then provide them with the tools to apply for legal status. That way they will be brought out of the shadows, not kept within them. Love isn't always the easy answer or path. Quite often, and the Bible also is clear on this, it is the path of trouble, tribulation and hardness.

              1. Nelson   6 months ago

                Funny, that seems like a very convoluted and difficult thing, compared to ministering to all who seek succor. But I guess you are the most important and knowledgeable source of religious obligation in the world, so all churches should ignore their own beliefs and follow yours.

                You really thing a great deal about yourself, oh infallible voice of all religions.

                1. Ersatz   6 months ago

                  this reply did nothing to diminish his arguments

                  1. Nelson   5 months ago

                    His arguments that the churches that provide succor according to their biblical principles are somehow bad? Or that pretzel-level reasoning is required to make giving sanctuary and aid to the poor and needy a bad thing for churches to do? Or perhaps that his narrow beliefs should be accepted as gospel (literally) by churches, who are in the scripture-reading business, because he is the best and most brilliant arbiter of what a “true act of love” is? Yeah, I basically bitchslapped his self-important idiocy all over this thread because it is patently ridiculous.

            2. Nelson   6 months ago

              “ And just FYI, there is nothing humane or charitable about importing millions of unskilled workers, who have to work under the table, for poverty wages, and who will disproportionately become victims of crime as their undocumented status makes them perfect for exploitation.”

              Weird. I didn’t realize that Catholics were doing those things. Sure, they run an international pedophile ring, but I didn’t think they actively imported victims, just helped their pedophile-filled priesthood avoid exposure and prosecution.

              “ The churches practicing such are modern day versions of the Pharisees”

              Silly me. I thought they were just ministering to those in their communities, but you seem to think they are actively bringing illegal immigrants into the country. I’d be fascinated to know why you think that. Any proof, or is your vindictiveness and rage driving your brain?

              1. soldiermedic76   6 months ago

                That's because you're incapable of anything but simplistic 1st order thinking and even that presents you with extreme difficulty and consternation.

                1. Nelson   6 months ago

                  No, I’m not a right-wing fanatic that assumes that everyone is supposed to act in support of right-wing ideology.

                  Faith organizations (the good ones, regardless of religion) follow their beliefs. They don’t have the “yeah, but” exceptions that the angry and the bigots want them to, like you seem to have.

                  Churches (again, the good ones) are notorious for ministering to the sick and hungry and poor. They don’t have the standards that you want them to have, nor do they have anything like the deportation agenda that you want to force on them. They just help those who come to them without requiring papers or demanding some artificial political litmus test to prove they’re worthy of being helped.

                  1. soldiermedic76   6 months ago

                    Thank you for proving my point. The Good Ones, per your judgment. Per your standards. E.g. exactly what I said of you. Thank you for proving my point moron.

                    1. Nelson   6 months ago

                      Yes, the good ones. There is a way to judge whether an organization is acting good relative to its guiding principles. It involves examining those principles and asking how closely they adhere to them. It is even more admirable when they do so in the face of oppression and approbation from others, be they from within their faith or outside of it.

                      Also, you do realize that I didn’t judge them by my standards, as you falsely claimed. I judged them by their standards. Providing succor and sanctuary to the poor and needy is something that I generally assume is a good thing, but I have no strongly-held beliefs about whether or not it’s something that should be a guiding principle in my life. Christians (a group of which I am not a member) think differently. So I judge them by their standards, not mine, and find their faithfulness to their beliefs to be praiseworthy.

                      I praised churches that follow their principles. What, exactly, do you think that proves about me?

          3. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

            Screw your pathological altruism. "Kindness to strangers" shouldn't result in children being sex-trafficked by narco gangs.

            But then, you love it when little kids get raped, as long as you get your revolutionary vanguard in the process.

            1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

              Whats hilarious is i 100% guarantee Nelson doesn't help a single damn person on his own, doing all of his charity by voting for Democrats.

              1. Nelson   6 months ago

                Since you don’t know a thing about me (including, obviously, who I vote for), your guarantee is useless.

                1. soldiermedic76   6 months ago

                  We knew enough from your posts to know you're a shallow thinker, who posts emotional drivel instead of well reasoned arguments, who labels anyone who disagrees with them as MAGA and denigrates all voters, Christians etc who dare stray from your approved position as inferior etc. So, based on this thread alone, we know enough about you.

                  1. Nelson   6 months ago

                    “ We knew enough from your posts to know you're a shallow thinker, who posts emotional drivel instead of well reasoned arguments”

                    If you actually read my posts, you wouldn’t know anything of the sort so you clearly don’t read my posts. You just lazily lump me in with everyone who doesn’t agree with you and then accuse me of supporting things I don’t support.

                    I literally post a quote that I’m disputing, then point out why the person (in this case you) is mistaken. And I usually include links to impartial sources (see my post to Jesse about the flat inflation-adjusted wages of the past 45 years as an example).

                    I am a libertarian, not a conservative. That’s why I post at a libertarian forum instead of some right-wing fever swamp.

                    I find the culture war positions of conservatives to often be outcome-driven, badly at odds with libertarian ideals, and self-contradictory (abortion, theocracy, book bans, morality-based legislation, medical decision-making, etc.) and the fiscal positions of both conservatives and liberals in America to be completely at odds with free market capitalism.

                    It’s just that the fiscal posts I make are largely on articles with replies in the dozens and MAGA rage-monsters don’t like them because they tend to be fact- and detail-driven so you can’t hijack a thread about puberty blockers with hysterical “surgery” non-sequiturs.

                    I vehemently support free market capitalism and low individual taxes (actually, I argue for a no-deduction flat tax), oppose supply-side economics because it doesn’t work and allows the government more power to pick winners and losers, advocate for a balanced budget amendment, and think entitlement reform is the only realistic way to balance the budget.

                    “ denigrates all voters, Christians etc who dare stray from your approved position as inferior etc.”

                    I absolutely do nothing of the sort. My mother, who is a lifelong Catholic and who I view as one of the strongest and most unconquerably successful people I’ve ever met, holds many positions that I disagree with and I have never denigrated her or anyone else who shares her opinions. Religion is a personal and individual choice whose private exercise should be protected by the government. But religious beliefs, as individual and highly personalized belief systems, cannot and should not have any place in governance. That isn’t me denigrating, it’s me recognizing that governance from a specific religious tradition discriminates against all those who don’t share that specific version of a specific religion.

                    I have had many discussions with people who are angry and appalled by the election of Donald Trump. I am the one who pushes back when they claim that Trump this or Trump that and everyone who supported him is evil and can’t be trusted. Because the truth is that Trump is a bad person, was a bad President before, and is looking like he will be even worse this time. But he also was the choice of the majority of Americans and he is, for better or worse, my President. I’m not so insecure or thin-skinned that I would spend the rest of my life claiming that an election that was demonstrably free and fair was rigged or stolen.

                    I believe in America. I believe in the Constitution. I believe in our democratic system and our people. We have survived bad Presidents before and we will survive this one. I not only don’t want everyone to agree with me, I believe that the reason America is so successful and so great is that we all disagree almost all the time. We are a nation of shared ideals with different interpretations of what that means and that’s why we constantly win. We aren’t afraid to try new things and fail. We are constantly innovating.

                    MAGA is just the latest experiment. It is pro-imperial-Presidency, pro-authority, xenophobic, angry, and vengeful. I, personally, believe that most Americans find that to be antithetical to what America stands for. I believe that we will see what this particular version of populism looks like in practice and we will turn away in disgust. But I could be wrong. And that’s OK, because the synonym of “people who don’t agree with me” isn’t “enemy”, it’s “my neighbor” (literally).

                    I am a deep thinker because I start from a place that says “this is what I think is right, but maybe I’m wrong”. That’s how I became a libertarian in the first place: by examining my beliefs, talking to people who disagreed with me, and realizing that some of their ideas made more sense than mine. When I put it all together, I realized that millions of beliefs constantly struggling to gain acceptance was better than a handful that everyone agrees to accept as “the best”.

                    So yes, I disagree with you. I find your support for religiously-inspired governance a betrayal of the Constitution and a path that has always led to tyranny, violence, and oppression. And yet I still recall a post where you spoke of your faith because it was so moving and heartfelt. I don’t despise your religion or your faith, I oppose your willingness to force it on everyone else. If you can’t tell the difference between the two, that’s a you problem.

                    1. soldiermedic76   6 months ago

                      You actually just posted above the good churches, the ones that agree with you. So you did exactly what I stated you do. No denying it. It's in your own fucking words moron. God, you have a room temperature IQ. Do you have to wear a safety helmet when out of bed?

                    2. soldiermedic76   6 months ago

                      I don't label churches or denigrate churches that don't disagree with me as bad. Dehr right after I posted about the good churches, which I then describe as the ones that agree with me, and the bad ones the ones that disagree with me. Fucking self own bitch.

                    3. Nelson   6 months ago

                      "You actually just posted above the good churches, the ones that agree with you.”

                      Good churches have nothing to do with whether or not they agree with me. Good churches are the ones who follow their own principles. A good church wouldn’t follow my principles because my principles would be irrelevant to them, as it should be. How can you be so ignorant as to think that a good church would follow (or even care about) my beliefs?

                      "God, you have a room temperature IQ"

                      I’m not the one who seems incapable of understanding the very simple concept that a church following their own principles is a good church, and worthy of praise. That’s you.

                      You are actually so clueless that you have made multiple posts about how a good church is somehow related to my beliefs, which no one except you has ever claimed and is moronic on its face. Why you persist in believing such a stupid thing is beyond me, but you just keep marching moronically on.

                      “ I don't label churches or denigrate churches that don't disagree with me as bad.”

                      I don’t label churches as bad, period. I will identify those that follow their principles faithfully, especially in the face of approbation from others, including their fellow Christians, as good because it is admirable to remain true to your beliefs even in the face of anger and denigration from those who share their faith.

                      You know, like the guy who said, “ If churches hadn't abused the situation in numerous occasions …”. Unless you think that claiming churches are abusing sanctuary is some sort of positive statement?

                      Or “ A true Christian, that truly valued love of thy neighbor would in no way support the creation of a permanent underclass. The churches practicing such are modern day versions of the Pharisees.”? That seems pretty denigrating, especially the self-congratulatory “true Christian” part. Because, I guess, they aren’t true Christians? But isn’t that denigrating them? I mean, these are your words, not mine.

                      Or “ the Bible also teaches us to beware of the serpent who preaches scripture without understanding or twisting the words to further their own goals.”, which seems to indicate that the churches providing sanctuary are serpents which, if I remember from my CCD classes, isn’t a compliment in Christian circles. And I know you couldn’t have been referring to me because with your vast intellect you are obviously aware of the fact that I haven’t quoted any scripture whatsoever. Given how brilliant you claim to be, you would never make such a mistake would you?

                      “ Fucking self own bitch.”

                      I don’t think you understand what that means, since every time you crow about me making your point for you it’s you that are saying idiotic things and I am being completely consistent. You seem to be under the impression that praising churches for living their principles is somehow a bad thing and I’m a bad person because I keep pointing out that it’s a good thing.

                      You really need to try to find support for the various wild and false claims you keep making, especially about me. Otherwise you look like a hate-filled liar who struggles with simple concepts. Smart people know that believing praise for one insinuates condemnation of others is zero-sum thinking. And only idiots and zealots fail to understand that such a basic idea.

            2. Nelson   6 months ago

              “ Screw your pathological altruism. "Kindness to strangers" shouldn't result in children being sex-trafficked by narco gangs.”

              So all illegals are drug dealing pedophiles? No, that doesn’t sound insane at all.

              “ you love it when little kids get raped, as long as you get your revolutionary vanguard in the process.”

              This is exactly the sort of unhinged, awful, unjustified thing that an unreasoning ball of hate like you believes. It speaks volumes about you and says nothing about anyone else, least of all me.

          4. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

            When you have nothing intelligent to say, appeal to emotion. The leftist way.

            1. Nelson   6 months ago

              It sure seems like the MAGA playbook throughout the election and even more since they took office.

    5. soldiermedic76   6 months ago

      I suggest he goes to his nearest cathedral, and nail up his complaints with his shoe.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    The fragile truce between Israel and Palestine appears, somehow, to be holding.

    SOMEHOW = DONALD J. TRUMP

    1. Commenter_XY   6 months ago

      There is no palestine

      1. Longtobefree   6 months ago

        Never was - - - - - -

        1. Wizzle Bizzle   6 months ago

          Maybe they meant Palpatine.

      2. Nelson   6 months ago

        Sure, the land that was used to create Israel was just completely uninhabited land without a name or history. Tabula rasa.

        1. Truthfulness   6 months ago

          Whatever it was, it was not a sovereign Palestine.

          Let go of your antisemitism.

          1. Nelson   6 months ago

            “ Whatever it was, it was not a sovereign Palestine.”

            It was an occupied colony of the British and had been for decades. The idea of a Jewish state in Palestine was first put forth by the British, but the Palestinians never agreed to nor condoned the taking of their land.

            https://www.historyskills.com/classroom/modern-history/formation-of-modern-israel-reading/

            That said, the idea that Israel has no right to exist and Palestine should be “from the river to the sea” is a non-starter. It’s been almost 80 years.

            However, Israel has no right to occupy Palestinian land. Everyone inside Israel, Jewish or not, should have the same rights. The land stolen by the Israeli government and given to extremist Israelis for illegal settlements should return to the people who it was taken from or, if they cannot be found or if the family has been wiped out by settler terrorist groups, it should revert to Palestine, not Israel.

            "Let go of your antisemitism”

            You clearly have never read anything I’ve ever posted. I am a vocal and unabashed supporter of Israel’s right to defend themselves and a vehement opponent of Hamas, Hezbollah, the Muslim Brotherhood, and all other terrorist organizations. I don’t think that anyone involved in those groups or the faux political parties some, like Fatah and Hamas, created should be in any Palestinian government. For reasons both personal and philosophical I am the exact opposite of an antisemite, and everything I’ve ever posted has backed that up.

            So for your vile and baseless accusation of antisemitism, go fuck yourself. I never have been and never will be an antisemite. If you want someone else’s view, ask Commenter_XY. We disagree about the two state solution, but he is well aware of my support for Israel and my opposition to the terrorists who attack them on a daily basis. Unless you want to accuse one of the most high-octane supporters of Israel that he is also an antisemite? Given that you accused me, I wouldn’t put it past you.

  3. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    The interview—transcript here—was frankly frustrating to watch, because Vance appeared to be shifting back and forth between talking about refugees and immigrants more broadly...

    I too found the interview frustrating, but for entirely different reasons.

    1. Jerry B.   6 months ago

      "...because Vance appeared to be shifting back and forth between talking about refugees and immigrants more broadly..."

      Yeah. that's Reason's schtick.

      1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   6 months ago

        Note no mention of the illegal aliens and phony asylum claimants he was actually talking about. Just refugees and immigrants.

        I dub this 'the Sarcasmic Special'.

        1. Z Crazy   6 months ago

          America is the only place where people die from nopt being able to afford health care.

          America is the only country with violent ghettoes where people are killed for wearing the wrong color clothes.

          Shouldn't we warn migrants and refugees to stay away?

          1. Super Scary   6 months ago

            I still don't understand why so many different people are clamoring to get into the country that invented slavery.

          2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

            It is so much better they die in countries with free bad Healthcare like Europe and Canada due to long waits.

  4. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    The Times also reports that "Israeli forces opened fire toward residents of southern Lebanon for a second straight day on Monday as people pressed on with attempts to return to their homes along the border..."

    Cue the meme: "Why would Israel do this?"

    1. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

      Genocide!

    2. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

      https://www.spiked-online.com/2025/01/22/how-hamas-became-invisible/

      Think back to the coverage of the fighting in and around al-Shifa Hospital over the past 15 months. The IDF first clashed with Hamas and Islamic Jihad fighters there in November 2023, after intelligence showed hostages were being held captive inside. After a protracted shootout, the IDF gained access to the area around the hospital only to discover the hostages had been killed. Fighting re-erupted in the vicinity of the hospital last March, after Hamas had started using it again. On each occasion, the gun battles were intense and went on for days. Yet the coverage virtually removed Hamas from the scene. ‘Israeli soldiers raid al-Shifa hospital in escalation of Gaza offensive’, reported the Guardian in November 2023. ‘Gaza’s al-Shifa hospital in ruins after two-week Israeli raid’, declared the BBC in April last year. It gave the impression that the IDF were attacking the hospital for the sheer hell of it.

      Or recall the coverage of Israel’s hostage-rescue operation in Nuseirat last June. Hamas attacked IDF troops with AK-47s, rocket-propelled grenades and mortar rounds. As the battle became more entrenched, Israeli airstrikes were called in, causing many more deaths. Yet in the subsequent reporting, Hamas’s role simply disappeared. ‘An Israeli operation rescues four hostages and kills scores of Palestinians’, announced CNN. ‘Gaza health ministry says Israeli hostage rescue killed 274 Palestinians’, reported the BBC.

      This has happened time and again since the Israel-Hamas war began. As Brendan O’Neill has argued on spiked, Hamas is constantly being ‘invisibilised’. It is an absent combatant, dark matter in a war in which only Israeli forces are seemingly observable. Even the unspeakable act that started this awful conflict on 7 October has been reduced to a mere moment in a much longer tale of supposed Israeli aggression and occupation.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   6 months ago

        When has anyone shown an image of Hamas attacking IDF forces in populated areas prompting a response? There are imbedded journalists, yet all we ever see is images of the aftermath. The journalists are either cowards, hiding when there is action, propagandists, concealing who initiated hostilities, or even more likely, both.

      2. soldiermedic76   6 months ago

        I also like Reasons recent take that Israel has failed since Hamas has been able to recruit enough new recruits to make up for their losses. New recruits with minimal training hardly are replacements for veterans (even for terrorists and guerrillas), ask Napoleon how well the Grande Armie he recreated in 1813 and again in 1814 performed when compared to how it performed before 1812.

    3. Commenter_XY   6 months ago

      When hezball-less does not abide by the terms of the ceasefire, and neither does the Lebanase Army, then there is no agreement and no ceasefire. More Lebanese will die.

      1. Nelson   6 months ago

        As it should be. The most impressive thing about Israel (among many) is their patience. At this point I’m pretty sure “give them enough rope to hang themselves” is a translation of an Israeli saying.

        The pager/walkie talkie thing is still one of the most amazingly brilliant pieces of spycraft/military operation in history. It was absolute perfection, and the lead time and logistics it required was mind-boggling.

    4. mad.casual   6 months ago

      It's the cans! They hate the cans!

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

        Are the new phone books here?

  5. Jerry B.   6 months ago

    "I don't know about you, but I'm pretty tired of the property destruction that activists think will somehow influence public sentiment about Israel/Palestine."

    Oh, it influences my public sentiment...just not in the way the dirty antisemitic vandals want.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    ...I'm pretty tired of the property destruction that activists think will somehow influence public sentiment about Israel/Palestine.

    Changing minds isn't really the goal of that type of "activism".

    1. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

      Sometimes they're racist AND stupid (but I repeat myself?)

      https://youtu.be/dRoL-MZwIEY

      TikToker thought she tore down Israeli flags at NJ restaurant. They were Greek. | NBC New York

      "It remains to be seen if she'll be charged with a hate or a bias crime..."

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

        Hey, any grievance studies major could make that mistake.

  7. Jerry B.   6 months ago

    "Potential refugees register with the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees..."

    Yep. Right after the coyotes show them the way across the Rio Grande.

    1. MollyGodiva   6 months ago

      You do realize that the US takes on refugees though programs authorized by Congress? Some of these refugees put their lives on the line to help the US (such as translators in Afghanistan). Trump is screwing over legal immigrants almost as much as illegal.

      1. Minadin   6 months ago

        I don't really care, Margaret.

      2. Incunabulum   6 months ago

        Biden wouldn't let in the translators though, dear.

        If you were *too vettable* you weren't going to get authorization to come to the US.

        If you got smuggled over with no papers and a history of terrorism the Biden administration resettled you.

      3. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

        I really don’t care, Margaret.

        1. Jefferson Paul   6 months ago

          Can someone please explain the whole "Margaret" thing? Did MollyGodiva reveal her real name or something?

          1. Minadin   6 months ago

            JD Vance was on Margaret Brennan's show this weekend and basically told her to STFU.

            Vance: 'We absolutely cannot unleash thousands of unvetted people into our country...'

            Brennen: 'These people are vetted. These people are vetted. Uh...'

            Vance: 'Just like the guy who planned a terrorist attack in Oklahoma a few months ago? He was allegedly properly vetted, and many people in media and the Democratic Party said that he was properly vetted. Clearly he wasn't. I don't wan't my children to share a neighborhood with people who are not properly vetted, and because I don't want it for my kids, I'm not going to force any other American citizens' kids to do that either.'

            Brennen: 'No, and that was a very particular case, it wasn't clear whether he was radicalized when he got here, um, or, when he was living h-"

            Vance: 'I don't really care, Margaret, I don't want that person in my country, and I think most Americans agree with me.'

            https://x.com/LozzaFox/status/1883801081714806936

            It inspired some memes:

            https://x.com/DonnaSueLooney1/status/1883803196839399719

            1. Liberty_Belle   6 months ago

              Vance: 'Just like the guy who planned a terrorist attack in Oklahoma

              Timothy McVeigh ?

              1. Minadin   6 months ago

                Definitely not properly vetted by Ryder Truck Rental Services.

            2. Jefferson Paul   6 months ago

              Thanks for the reply. I realized what it was all about last night when I saw again the clip of JD Vance. I hadn't noticed him ending the interview with the "Margaret" line until seeing it a 2nd time.

      4. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

        LOL--"Because a few of these people served as translators, we need to take in those poor Venezuelan gang members and child rapists posing as refugees!"

        1. Nelson   6 months ago

          LOL — “Because a few of those people are violent criminals, we need to turn our backs on actual refugees!”

          The lack of nuance that has always defined paleocons has merged with a complete lack of kindness, empathy and willingness to find common ground to create a disturbing new strain of conservatism characterized by unabashed hatred, a gleeful desire to inflict suffering, and a complete lack of concern for unintended consequences and collateral damage (as long as the “right people” are miserable). It is the first time in my life that a political power center could be fairly characterized as dystopian.

          The hope I have is that Trumpkins don’t understand restraint or worry about overreach, so by the midterms their cruelty and delight in the suffering of others should have turned off enough voters that there will be a mitigating influence introduced through the House, the Senate, or both.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

            I don't really care, Margaret.

      5. soldiermedic76   6 months ago

        God, you all sing from the sang hymnal don't you? It's like a fucking cult.

      6. EISTAU Gree-Vance   6 months ago

        Everything Is So Terrible And Unfair, Molly.

        Or Margaret. Whatever.

        Oh, and I don’t really care.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    It presented a ChatGPT-like AI model called R1, which has all the familiar abilities, operating at a fraction of the cost of OpenAI's, Google's or Meta's popular AI models.

    It turns out it's just the Uyghur camps churning out responses to prompts.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   6 months ago

      The chinks just cleared that it's a lot cheaper and easier to steal ip and reverse engineer it... Who could have seen that comming?

    2. soldiermedic76   6 months ago

      I wouldn't be surprised find out that it really is the Chinese hacked ChatGPT and created a backdoor and this is all this is, or something similar. Just like how their J-20 is so different from the F-22 and how their new stealth bomber just coincidentally looks like the new B-21. It's all coincidence, because, sure their universities are not well known to be nothing but diploma mills that don't turn out a majority of severely unqualified, but credentialed, graduates in STEM (yeah, the picture isn't great in the West, but compared to most Chinese grads, STEM graduates in the US are the next da Vinci and Newton combined).

      1. soldiermedic76   6 months ago

        The one thing they do do well is use state funds and intelligence sources to conduct corporate espionage, even to the degree of having state spies driving around the corn belt, digging up GMO corn seeds so they can reverse engineer them.

  9. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

    Darc have spent months blaming Trump about flavored tobacco products. Hardest hit.

    https://unusualwhales.com/news/menthol-cigarette-ban-withdrawn-by-trump-administration

    1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   6 months ago

      And Trump takes the inner city vote.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

        Just don't be selling loosies.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   6 months ago

      Another win.

    3. Kungpowderfinger   6 months ago

      *lights up a bbq flavored Kool

      1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   6 months ago

        Woah, really? I may have to start smoking.

      2. Don't look at me!   6 months ago

        Texas or Carolina style?

        1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

          Carolina style would be banned due to the mustard gas it contains.

        2. soldiermedic76   6 months ago

          Kansas City.

  10. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   6 months ago

    Vandals targeted the Israeli restaurant Miriam, in Park Slope, over the weekend. I don't know about you, but I'm pretty tired of the property destruction that activists think will somehow influence public sentiment about Israel/Palestine.

    I remember hearing about young German activists doing the same thing in 1938. Although their vandalism spree only lasted three days, while New York's has been going on for a year and a half now.

    1. Idaho-Bob   6 months ago

      Needs some Roof Top Jews and those aligned with their cause. Citizens can cure this bullshit in a night or two.

      1. Ska   6 months ago

        Not in that part of Brooklyn.

  11. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

    Democrats hire psychologists to help them through the first week. Sullum should as well.

    https://punchbowl.news/article/house/raskin-enlists-psychologists-to-help-judiciary-democrats/

    1. Idaho-Bob   6 months ago

      Speaker Mike Johnson created a new select subcommittee on the Judiciary panel that will continue the GOP’s ongoing investigation into the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol.

      This is the cause of Democrat anxiety. They are shitting their pants.

      1. windycityattorney   6 months ago

        Let's see...they blamed ANTIFA ...then they blamed the FBI...then they blamed Nancy Pelosi, the capitol police themselves, anybody I am missing?

        Strange that nobody wants to blame the one person who invited them all there in the first place!!

        If you get Trumps balls out of your mouth long enough you might be able to get enough oxygen to your few remaining brain cells to form a coherent thought. Trump has immunity now. It's safe to place blame where it properly resides.

        1. Ersatz   6 months ago

          ...the FBI agitators in the crowd and the police who lobbed tear gas into the crowd? is that who you were implicating?

    2. shadydave   6 months ago

      You'd have to give Sullum's psychologist hazard pay.

    3. Gaear Grimsrud   6 months ago

      Only a lobotomy can save Sullum.

    4. Commenter_XY   6 months ago

      Fuck that, I hope they are demoralized and reduced to pissing their pants and sucking their thumbs, in a fetal position.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

        Oh, I see you have visited college campus safe rooms after Nov 5.

  12. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

    Today I learned one of the teachers union contracts allows employees to be suspended for three days—but not fired—if a teacher is caught selling drugs.

    The libertarian moment is here.

    1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   6 months ago

      As long as they aren't ripping off the kids by overcharging.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   6 months ago

        It's spelled: "Gouging".

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

          "Hey, kids, here's the deal. If you want to get a A, you have to turn in all the assignments, and buy at least an ounce per month."

          1. Nelson   6 months ago

            An ounce a month? Amateurs.

        2. Don't look at me!   6 months ago

          Price “gauging”
          /AOC

  13. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

    Former reporters for one of jeffs chosen unbiased truth tellers admit they were told to kill negative stories regarding Biden.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/01/former-reporters-for-politico-claim-outlet-squashed-negative-stories-about-the-bidens/

    1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   6 months ago

      But Jeff assured us they were non-partisan.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

        He said he likes news stories/sources that stick to his preferred narrative.

        1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   6 months ago

          That's how he knows they're non-partisan. When they parrot his talking-points.

          1. Commenter_XY   6 months ago

            No! That was (D)ifferent!!!! 😉

            (used more ! b/c I really mean it....like a progtard, lol)

  14. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

    Nice use of the light filter by that journscum photographer to make Vance look more sinister than he really is.

    The Atlantic pulled the same shit with McCain when he ran for President.

    1. Idaho-Bob   6 months ago

      I noticed that as well.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

        Here's what the photographer had to say about January 6th:

        Like many journalists, Williams’ role in covering these events is critical. It’s a stark and sobering reminder of the importance of journalists and photojournalists in times like these. Not only will these photos likely end up in books and history lessons, but they’re also being used as evidence.
        “It’s just great in these days that we have so many cameras around to capture all this because hopefully, you learn from your mistakes,” Williams said. “All of these photos, like ones from my colleagues, will be used to help identify these perpetrators.”

        Looks like we've got a candidate for the woodchipper.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

          At least when I was a kid, activist journalists were trying to tear down the state.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

      Remember all the Obama halos?

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

        Oh shit yes, I remember that crap. A whole fucking cult of personality around the man.

    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

      In all fairness, Trump's mean mug official portrait beat Vance's nice guy.

    4. Longtobefree   6 months ago

      On the other hand, that is the game face JD should use when 'discussing' votes with the "republicans" who oppose the people's will expressed in Trump's victory.

      1. mad.casual   6 months ago

        Yeah. One man's sinister is the next man's FAFO.

    5. Nelson   6 months ago

      "Nice use of the light filter by that journscum photographer to make Vance look more sinister than he really is.”

      It actually looks a lot like the lighting that Trump chose for his official portrait.

      https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Donald_J._Trump%27s_official_presidential_portrait,_2025.jpg

  15. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

    Illegal immigration brings in thousands of sex trafficked minors. The catholic church sexually abuses thousands of little boys. I am thinking maybe the 'church' has a cui bono stake in keeping the flood gates open.

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

      Kids are more likely to be sexually abused by their school teacher than by their priest. This is from the New York Times in 2023:

      More than 300 priests were found to have abused children, at least 1,000 of them, over the course of seven decades.

      Meanwhile, Department of Education found that there were over 14,000 cases of sexual abuse by teachers just from 2017-2018. And those were just the ones that were actually reported.

      Regardless, pedophiles will naturally gravitate towards places where they believe they will have greater access to children. That's why shit like "drag queen story hour" is particularly sinister, and why there's such a huge market for child prostitution in the illegal migrant complex that Soros and his fellow vermin promote.

      1. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

        It should be ZERO everywhere. And 'teachers' are the priests of today's leftist religion. So liberal activists, aka teachers, also have a cui bono instrest in keeping the flood gates open.

        1. Ersatz   6 months ago

          Maybe you should have started with them then - is that your bias showing?
          You chose to highlight the mote in the Catholic eye and ignored the plank in the teachers unions eye.

      2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

        Just 2 days ago.

        https://nypost.com/2025/01/25/us-news/more-than-100-nyc-educators-accused-of-sexual-relationships-communications-with-students/

        1. Michael Ejercito   6 months ago

          I wonder how many teen pregnancies resulted from these relationships.

          Also, see here.

          https://ethicsalarms.com/2016/05/02/yecchh-the-daily-caller-and-its-commenters-cheer-on-sexual-predator-teachers/

          1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

            Omg. The guys at DC used humor when discussing the issue?!? That is far worse that these teachers preying on kids. What would we do without ethics alarm? Now let me try to find the story of them condemning the teachers.

      3. Nelson   6 months ago

        "Kids are more likely to be sexually abused by their school teacher than by their priest. This is from the New York Times in 2023:”

        That’s complete bullshit. One reason the numbers are bigger for teachers? Math. The scale of teachers (millions) versus priests (thousands) makes the raw numbers seem to indicate a bigger chance of sexual abuse by teachers than priests. Yet the chance of a priest molesting a child are multiple times higher than a teacher because the numbers are so radically different. Decimal places different.

        Also, that’s just the ones that can be proved and, since teachers help prosecute pedophile teachers and the Catholic Church actively hindered investigation and prosecution of their priests, moved them out of the jurisdiction (and eventually the country if they kept getting caught), the number of convicted pedophiles will always undercount priests.

        Also, that’s just Catholics. The Mormons, Southern Baptists, Jehova’s Witnesses, and various mega churches (just to name a few) have also harbored, interfered with investigations, and refused to aid law enforcement in prosecuting pedophiles within their religious organizations. Religious groups are notorious for doing everything they can to prevent their names from being associated with pedophilia, which requires them to hide and defend their pedophiles. Teachers, on the other hand, have never been shown to have such coordinated, funded, and active efforts to hide pedophiles from discovery. In fact, it’s almost always the exact opposite with teachers.

        If you want to believe that religion and pedophilia aren’t regularly dance partners, it’s because you want to give it the ostrich treatment, not because it’s actually true.

        Plus, of course, cultural conservatives love religious leaders and hate teachers. So they will believe any bullshit that comes from a guy with a cross behind him, but refuse to believe anything that proves teachers, by and large, aren’t pedophiles and help, rather than hinder, their arrest and prosecution.

    2. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

      If the Trump admin had to court the Amish for support, I don’t think they'll go with casting Catholics, the 2nd largest Christian denomination in the USA, as child molesters. Probably best to just ignore the Bishops, like every Catholic in the USA already does.

  16. NealAppeal   6 months ago

    I'm grateful for the charitable nature of the bishops...Wait! You said partner?...and they get paid from taxes taken at the point of a gun?

    A good little NGO that probably gets tax exempt status.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

      https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/texas/news/texas-attorney-general-targets-catholic-migrant-shelter-alleging-human-smuggling/

  17. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   6 months ago

    Another one caught SPBing.

    Matthew A. Inman, the treasurer for the Orange County Democratic Party in Orlando, Fla., has been federally arrested on child sex crime charges.

    Inman, who also served as president of the Rainbow Democrats LGBTQ+ group, allegedly expressed an interest in boys as young as nine. He is an anti-Trump activist and is an advocate of trans and gender extremism.

    Inman traveled to Las Vegas and began talking online with an undercover law enforcement officer posing as the father of a 9-year-old boy. During this conversation, Inman expressed interest in meeting and sexually assaulting the purported child. He also sent CSAM videos to the undercover officer.

    Inman allegedly attempted to delete the incriminating evidence when the FBI arrived at his home and hid in the attic.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

      allegedly expressed an interest in boys as young as nine

      What would Mohammad do?

      1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   6 months ago

        The girls. He and Shrike are non-competing.

    2. Idaho-Bob   6 months ago

      Another likely friend of Darrin Bell.

      Funny how we were told this shit never happens with the Rainbow Mafia.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

        Funny how we were told this shit never happens with the Rainbow Mafia.

        Yeah, it's notable how often these queer activists turn out to be pedophilic sex pests, like the gay couple that raped the boys they adopted and pimped them out to their friends. If these guys were evangelical pastors, there'd be endless media stories about the "systemic" problem within the churches regarding it.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

          Details on this incredible case.

          https://reason.com/profile/comments-history/#comment-10850044

          'Never Say You've Seen It All': Judge Hands Down Sentences to Men Convicted of Abusing Their Adopted Sons

          OXFORD, Georgia — LGBTQ activists William Dale Zulock and Zachary Jacoby Zulock were sentenced last week to 100 years in prison each, followed by life on probation, for "routinely" raping their young, adopted, special-needs sons, producing "homemade" child pornography of the abuse, and inviting nearby pedophiles in the Atlanta area to "double penetrate" their two children, ages 9 and 10 at the time of rescue.

          "I tell people never say you've seen it all. Because in this line of work, you will yet again be reminded of the depths of depravity and men's ability and willingness to engage in unspeakable cruelty to other humans," said Judge Jeffrey L. Foster, who handed down their punishments at Thursday's sentencing hearing.

          1. Commenter_XY   6 months ago

            Just put them into the general prison pop. Justice will be meted out.

          2. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

            Thanks--for some reason, I can include links in my comments but the comment doesn't show up in the thread after I post it, and when I try to re-submit, it says I've made a duplicate comment and can't post it again.

            It's why I typically just mention the source with a quote since that can be googled anyway.

            Forget 100 years in prison, those two should have gotten the same form of execution that Edward II did.

            1. soldiermedic76   6 months ago

              Unfortunately, that was likely just French propaganda. Edward the II most likely starved to death, although, Ian Mortimer believes the evidence theorizes he actually survived but was secretly held hostage by Roger Mortimer to blackmail Edward the III into remaining subservient, however, sympathetic jailors helped smuggle him out of England, which gave Edward the chance to overthrow Mortimer's regency.

    3. Minadin   6 months ago

      It's always the ones you('re supposed to) least expect.

  18. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

    I don't know about you, but I'm pretty tired of the property destruction that activists think will somehow influence public sentiment about Israel/Palestine, social justice, police brutality, Trump getting elected, illegal immigration, climate change marxism.

  19. NealAppeal   6 months ago

    US stocks were set for a steep selloff Monday morning after a surprise advancement from a Chinese artificial intelligence company, DeepSeek, threatened the aura of invincibility surrounding America's technology industry," reports CNN. "DeepSeek, a one-year-old startup, last week showed off a stunning capability: It presented a ChatGPT-like AI model called R1, which has all the familiar abilities, operating at a fraction of the cost of OpenAI's, Google's or Meta's popular AI models.

    Even Byrne's (Bernie's?) tech sucking X comments didn't salvage the market?

  20. Ajsloss   6 months ago

    JD Vance is wrong to fight the bishops.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

      There it is. Thought I should check before creating a dup.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

      https://pjmedia.com/catherinesalgado/2025/01/25/homan-calls-popes-bluff-highlights-vatican-walls-n4936346

      Homan calmly stated, “Well, let me give a message to the pope. I’m a lifelong Catholic, born Catholic, I've been through Catholic doctrine. He [oughta] concentrate on fixing the Catholic Church. First of all, he's got big problems there. And the Vatican, they have a wall around the Vatican.”

      I’ve been to the Vatican, and the millennium-old walls are huge — and extremely effective at keeping people out, from lost tourists to illegal migrants. Also, you should see the security line to get into the Vatican Museums or St. Peter’s. As Homan said, “If you enter the Vatican [illegally], the crime is serious. You'll be charged with serious crime in jail. So he can protect the Vatican where he lives. He can build a wall where he lives, [but] the American people are not allowed that? No, secure the border, save lives.”

      The pope, said Homan, “needs to understand that [when] we secure the border, less people come, less women get raped by the cartel, less children die in the river, less Americans die from fentanyl overdoses. He ought to stick to the Catholic Church and fix that. That's a mess.”

      As Schmitt agreed, “the wall that's around the Vatican[,] it's even nicer than Trump's wall… the wall around the Vatican is really, really impressive.”

      1. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

        https://x.com/Tibetan95380/status/1883047724473630808

        Tibetan95380
        @Tibetan95380
        POPE FRANCIS, HOW COULD YOU BE SO HYPOCRITICAL?

        @Pontifex
        As As
        @TomHoman_

        @RealTomHoman

        says, YOU have A WALL AROUND THE VATICAN, and there are SEVERE PENALTIES for making unauthorized access (SEE BELOW)!

        The Vatican has just STRENGTHENED the penalties, all for the sake of SAFETY AND SECURITY!

        WHY THEN, do you call what America is doing, FOR EXACTLY THE SAME REASONS, wrong?

        This is HYPOCRICY OF THE FIRST ORDER, and not what I would expect of the leader of a Christian faith!

        "...The penalty for breaching the Vatican wall, or entering Vatican City without permission, has been significantly toughened as of a decree issued in December 2024.

        Here are the specifics of the penalties:

        General Penalty: For unauthorized entry into areas of Vatican City where free access is not allowed, the punishment can range from one to four years of imprisonment and a fine from 10,000 to 25,000 euros.

        Aggravated Penalties:If the breach involves firearms, corrosive substances, disguise, or is committed by a group of individuals, penalties can be increased. Entering with a vehicle can increase the penalty by up to two-thirds.

        Unauthorized overflight of Vatican airspace, including by drones, can result in imprisonment from six months to three years and a fine up to 25,000 euros.

        Additional Sanctions:A person convicted of illegal entry will be banned from entering Vatican territory for up to 15 years.

        If this ban is breached, the offender could face one to five years in prison.

        The Vatican’s promoter of justice can summon any person who has committed an offense for immediate questioning or the day after receiving a complaint.

        These measures are part of a broader effort to enhance security and protect sensitive areas within Vatican City, reflecting concerns over potential threats and unauthorized access..."

    3. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

      With all the cries of Christian nationalism, reason doesn't know to criticize or applaud.

    4. Kungpowderfinger   6 months ago

      Hold on just a minute, is someone claiming the Pope and his bishops are full of shit? How can that be?

      https://www.npr.org/2025/01/11/nx-s1-5256937/biden-pope-francis-medal-of-freedom

      "A loving pastor, he joyfully answers children's questions about God. A challenging teacher, he commands us to fight for peace and protect the planet. A welcoming leader, he reaches out to different faiths. The first pope from the Southern Hemisphere, Pope Francis is unlike any who came before," the statement read.

      Look, a devout Catholic like Joe Robinette Biden Jr knows what he’s saying.

      How dare Vance slander the great hero of the people and his executive staff? I’m with Reason on this one, Vance is just weird.

  21. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

    Gov. Pritzker made the rounds this weekend to replay the slander, even well after all the fact-checkers and community notes and the goddamn video show it's a lie...

    https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/26/politics/video/jb-pritzker-elon-musk-hand-gesture-afd-rally-sotu-digvid

    Dana Bash led the questioning with "he made what appeared to be to many people a Nazi salute".

    Fat fuck says "At a moment when antisemitism is at an all-time high in my lifetime, we have a very prominent figure who is very closely associated with the President, standing up at a Presidential rally, and giving two Nazi salutes."

    And to speak of antisemitism as something on the right ignoring all the hate thrown out by the keffiyeh-wearing latte-sippers on college campuses...

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

      This isn't going to have any more traction than the last 8-plus years of them screaming that Trump is Hitler has done.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

        It got reddit to censor all Twitter posts.

        1. Mike Parsons   6 months ago

          The collective spurging out on Reddit has been something to see.

          Entertaining in that pretty much every sub that is screaming to have X banned and "what happened to when we used to say FUCK NAZIs?!?!" literally just spent the last year+ banging on about how Israel shouldn't exist and those "from the river to the sea" hamas folks make some pretty good points about the problems with the Jews.

          But ya, a spazoid gesture definitely hurt them in all their feels and somehow made them remember anti-Semitism is bad, so long as they can direct their ire at the right.

      2. Sometimes a Great Notion   6 months ago

        But Tony Hinchcliffe said something about Puerto Rico!

    2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   6 months ago

      Musk should sue that fat fuck and bankrupt that creepy, crooked family of his.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   6 months ago

        I honestly hope he does but I doubt he could bankrupt the fat fuck.

        1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   6 months ago

          He might. Musk has 53 times the Pritzker wealth.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

            I'd like to see Musk sue the shit out of the fat fuck and leave him completely destitute at the end of it all, with only the shirt on his back.

    3. mad.casual   6 months ago

      "You guys probably saw that Elon Musk had to take a break from sucking off Netanyahu to throw up a Nazi salute... and TikTok had to take a break from supporting Hamas to call him a Nazi. If he keeps this Nazi stuff up, Trudeau's going to honor him in Parlaiment. And America's going to make him quit SpaceX and join NASA because that's what they do with Nazis."

      1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   6 months ago

        Chuckle.

  22. MollyGodiva   6 months ago

    Well no shit JD. Why would anyone expect the church to be a partner in immigration enforcement? They are a church, not a law enforcement agency or local government. Does he also expect the church to be a partner in enforcing tax law or FAA regulations?

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

      Not giving succor to child molesters would be a good start.

      The Episcopelians also harbored the domestic terrorists in FALN up through the bombing of the Capitol. So they should be treated not like a church, but a marxist indoctrination center and handled accordingly.

    2. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

      Mollygodiva is the poster child for the ignorant leftist who emots their postion because they are 100% ignorant of any of the facts.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

        "Facts"? What kind of white patriarchal heterosexual colonizing privilege are you trying to oppress people with?

    3. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

      All the money they take through NGOs is why they are involved shrike.

    4. sarcasmic   6 months ago

      Can you imagine how angry the Trump defenders would be if Democrats told the church to be a partner in one of their pet projects, like environmentalism or green energy? These people who are defending Vance would be freaking out.

      It's always who, not what. No principles whatsoever.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

        Are you saying the Democrats have never told the church to be a partner in one of their pet projects, like environmentalism or green energy?

        1. Michael Ejercito   6 months ago

          Imagine if they held political rallies at churches.

        2. sarcasmic   6 months ago

          Ohhhh, they did it first and that makes it ok. Thanks for pointing that out. My bad.

          1. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

            Ideas!

          2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   6 months ago

            The fact that you never complained when the Democrats did it first and you thought it was okay then, but not now, shows us all just how principled you are.

        3. Chupacabra   6 months ago

          It's best not to respond to the retards.

          1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   6 months ago

            It's not his fault his mother was a drinker.

      2. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

        In February, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton began what has been an increasingly aggressive investigation of Catholic migrant assistance programs, suggesting that Catholic Charities offices along the border have engaged in human trafficking. He has particularly focused on Annunciation House in El Paso. Its decades of work with new arrivals have, in the past, garnered accolades; now it’s generating subpoenas.

        Catholic Charities offices have denied the allegations, pointing out that their work is conducted in close collaboration with the U.S. Border Patrol. Catholic bishops have stepped up to defend Annunciation House and other Catholic Charities efforts on behalf of migrants as dynamic expressions of Catholic faith that are protected by the U.S. Constitution.

        GOP House members planning to investigate federal contracts with Catholic Charities and other groups working to resettle asylum seekers have joined Paxton at the barricades. On an entirely different congressional front, some of the same GOP members have focused on what were previously unremarkable initiatives encouraged by the Catholic Church.

        https://uscatholic.org/articles/202409/the-gop-has-a-surprising-new-target-the-catholic-church/

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

        Can you imagine how angry the Trump defenders would be if Democrats told the church to be a partner in one of their pet projects, like environmentalism or green energy?

        Why would the Democrats need to tell them to do so? Like social media censorship over "misinformation," the relationship is largely already mutual and in-kind.

      4. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

        Strawcastic strikes again.

      5. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   6 months ago

        I really don’t care, Sarcasmic.

    5. damikesc   6 months ago

      They get, roughly, 1.2B to "help" with "immigrants".

  23. Social Justice is neither   6 months ago

    After that "unifying" sermon recently is it any wonder Vance is a bit testy with the open borders Marxists in the pulpit?

  24. mad.casual   6 months ago

    Justine Moore @venturetwins
    I’ve been fully radicalized by the photos of the vandalized Waymo.

    It’s in a body bag at the end.

    Regardless of the number of physical cats she may or may not own, Justine owns way too many cats.

    Suspicion of "Kyle Rittenhouse shouldn't have been there."/"mostly peaceful" existing somewhere in her physical digital persona: 90%

    1. Dillinger   6 months ago

      wait, she's radicalized for the Waymo?

      1. mad.casual   6 months ago

        Yeah. The "It's in a body bag at the end." refers to a photo of a self-driving car, shring-wrapped in plastic, being hauled away on the bed of a wrecker.

        Related note-
        ASPCA Commercial: "These animals have no idea when their last meal was or when their next meal will come."
        Me: That's *all* animals ( almost) and even most small children!

        1. Dillinger   6 months ago

          pagans ... can't live with them can't shoot them

  25. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

    Looks like Colombia's president is angling to become this generation's Hugo Chavez.

    Let's hope he gets burnt up with cancer like that commie toad did, too.

    1. Ajsloss   6 months ago

      Did something happen with the Colombian president over the weekend? Or was that local shit?

      1. Randy Sax   6 months ago

        Got into a twitter spat/trade war with Trump over tariffs and deportations.

        1. Commenter_XY   6 months ago

          Fastest.Trade.War.Ever.

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

            What do we buy from Colombia? I mean, besides cocaine and cocaine accessories?

            1. Dillinger   6 months ago

              coffee and stabby chicks.

    2. Super Scary   6 months ago

      I would have expected The Roundup to mention it, but I guess they are going to have a full article about it.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

        Boehm doesn't know how to spin the threat of tariffs working.

        1. Spiritus Mundi   6 months ago

          Not just working, but in futherance of deportations. Can't have anything taking down Reason's scared cow, illegal aliens.

          1. Ersatz   6 months ago

            it was a two-fer illegals and tariffs

        2. Dillinger   6 months ago

          none of them do it's the same article every time right now

    3. Mike Parsons   6 months ago

      Trump cucked him pretty quick. Oof

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

        He needs to do the same to that yenta narco-whore running Mexico at the moment.

      2. Don't look at me!   6 months ago

        I doubt Joe could have pulled it off.

    4. Fats of Fury   6 months ago

      Reading his bio sounds like he's angling to be South America's Joe Biden, including a crooked son.

  26. mad.casual   6 months ago

    Today I learned one of the teachers union contracts allows employees to be suspended for three days—but not fired—if a teacher is caught selling drugs. Also, they can be drunk at school up to four times before being fired on their fifth offense. Forgive me for thinking the standard should be a tad higher

    [clears throat]
    [Fist of Etiquette voice]

    Shots FIRE(xpression)d!

    [/Fist of Etiquette voice]

    1. Fist of Etiquette   6 months ago

      No. And it's actually a federal offense to impersonate someone on the internet.

  27. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

    Palestinians don't seem to be worth very much, even to Hamas.

    One female Israel Defense Forces soldiers is "worth" 25 Palestinians?

    1. Ajsloss   6 months ago

      Palestinians signaling to the world their own value.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

      I misread the numbers...4 for 200 (not 100) makes it one female IDF member for 50 Palestinians.

    3. Commenter_XY   6 months ago

      palestinian lives matter.....but not as much as Israeli lives, evidently.

    4. damikesc   6 months ago

      Some IDF female soldiers are hot.

      Most Jordanians --- sorry, Palestininans --- are so ugly that they have to RAPE their goats.

      Possibly a fair trade.

  28. Use the Schwartz   6 months ago

    "tired of the property destruction."

    "vandalizing Waymos."

    It's only THINGS bruh, just material possessions, things can be replaced. The squad gotta get back to high-key vibin' wit nature bae, no cap.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

      By leftist accounting, there's nothing wrong with it...burning down cities it not violence.

      https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2020/06/why-property-destruction-isnt-violence

  29. Public Entelectual   6 months ago

    Deport them all— Cthulhu will know his own.

  30. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

    "Vandals targeted the Israeli restaurant Miriam, in Park Slope, over the weekend"

    Didn't anyone think to try to blame it on Trump because of Musk's Nazi salutes emboldening the neo-Nazis?

    1. Ajsloss   6 months ago

      I mean, Trump did hold a rally at MSG one time.

      1. Dillinger   6 months ago

        I'm still triggered.

  31. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

    "The company said it had spent just $5.6 million training its newest AI model"

    Given historic aspects of how China and Chinese companies function, this is probably because they stole ChatGPT databases, and code or something like that. It's a lot cheaper to steal something and call it your own than it is to develop something that never existed before.

    1. Use the Schwartz   6 months ago

      This.

      No R&D means no R&D cost, no IP protection means no boundaries or repercussions. IN FACT, ChiComs can protect their stolen IP in China and prevent the actual Devs/Designers from competing.

      So in reality we in the West have subsidized Chinese Dev and they are selling it back to us.

    2. mad.casual   6 months ago

      Given historic aspects of how China and Chinese companies function, this is probably because they stole ChatGPT databases, and code or something like that just trim the branches and force it to say what they want it to say.

      Nobody, at this point, should be surprised by a tool that "has all the same abilities, operating at a fraction of the cost" from Harbor Freight.

    3. mad.casual   6 months ago

      How do you get such efficient and realistic output from your training data, Mr. Lee?

      1. Jefferson Paul   6 months ago

        That b@#ch of a wife spilling his trade secrets at the end there!

  32. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   6 months ago

    "...Human Dignity is Not Dependent on a Person's Citizenship or Immigration Status..."

    Seems that well has been poisoned.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

      "No person is illegal!"

      Didn't SFC and LA run that experiment?

  33. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   6 months ago

    "Oakland budget cuts leave nonprofits reeling: ‘We need more culture, not less’"
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/oakland-budget-cuts-leave-nonprofits-reeling-we-need-more-culture-not-less/ar-AA1xQneU?ocid=BingNewsSerp

    Oakland's budget is in worse shape than SF's, so they're cutting grants to 'the arts'.
    Well, if you are an artist, you make your living selling your art. If you can't do that, you're a 'hobbyist'.
    So why should taxpayers support your hobby any more than say, stamp-collecting?

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

      The irony is that a lot of the greatest works of art--music, sculpture, painting, etc.--were commissioned or patronized by the Catholic Church, or through connections to the nobility like Rembrandt had.

      "Public art" wasn't really considered something to pursue until the turn of the 20th century, with the rise of Neoclassicism and the City Beautiful movement following the 1893 Chicago Columbian Exposition.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   6 months ago

        Certainly the Medici palace in Florence will take your breath away, but nothing coming out of Oakland quite gets to that level.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

          It's not really a coincidence that the arts took a dive after marxism became the de facto religion of the liberal bourgeoisie in the 20th century.

        2. Quicktown Brix   6 months ago

          I heard the sidewalks in Oakland will take your breath away.

  34. Gaear Grimsrud   6 months ago

    I have nothing against Catholics but it's undeniable that the Church has a pretty sordid history. In this case they are operating as just another NGO taking taxpayer dollars. Their fancy costumes don't make them immune to criticism.

  35. JFree   6 months ago

    US stocks were set for a steep selloff Monday morning after a surprise advancement from a Chinese artificial intelligence company, DeepSeek, threatened the aura of invincibility surrounding America's technology industry,

    So the techbros were busy cosplaying MAGA while the Chinese were busy doing something productive. No fucking surprise really. We have spent decades failing to pivot to Asia while obsessing about shithole backwaters like Europe and the Middle East. Now - BRICS has won a HUGE round. Enjoy your reaming.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

      Remember when China was ahead of us on Covid and vaccines too JewFree? Lol.

    2. Don't look at me!   6 months ago

      I’m certain it’s the same level of quality we have all come to expect from China.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   6 months ago

        It is what powers the misspelled trademark infringed clothing on TEMU.

    3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   6 months ago

      Haha. You live in a dark world, j. Must suck to be you.

  36. Longtobefree   6 months ago

    " . . . was frankly frustrating to watch, because Vance appeared to be shifting back and forth between talking about refugees and immigrants more broadly . . . "

    And we all know only democrats are allowed to conflate legal immigration, illegal border crossings, and actual refugees.

    1. Mike Parsons   6 months ago

      about 50% of the attempted arguments I have seen online are the disingenuous conflation of actual legal immigration and unlimited illegal immigration.

      "I cant believe (X) first/second generation immigrant hates their own people so much and it pulling up the ladder behind them"

      The other half are the out and open "but who will clean our toilets / we need to import a permanent underclass of serfs to tend to our garbage" group. Which I mean, at least they are being honest

  37. I, Woodchipper   6 months ago

    Scenes from New York: Vandals targeted the Israeli restaurant Miriam, in Park Slope, over the weekend. I don't know about you, but I'm pretty tired of the property destruction that activists think will somehow influence public sentiment about Israel/Palestine.

    I was gung-ho pro Israel all the way until I saw these activists had vandalized a random Israeli restaurant and then I was like, "hmm you know what? Fuck Israel! And fuck that restaurant!"

    1. Mike Parsons   6 months ago

      I was anti-genocide before, but the Columbia college retards are convincing me that maybe it could be beneficial.

      I think if we just kept it to "sociology majors" it would be a quick and direct benefit to society

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

        Can we at least offer to send them to Gaza? I think the feminist workshops and pride parades would be fun to watch.

  38. Dillinger   6 months ago

    >>"Human Dignity is Not Dependent on a Person's Citizenship or Immigration Status"

    but it is based on which side of imaginary lines the humans sleep?

    1. mad.casual   6 months ago

      I refuse to be lectured on human dignity by a group of grown men dressed like that.

      1. Dillinger   6 months ago

        vestments necessary but not for why they say.

  39. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

    '"We recognize the need for just immigration enforcement and affirm the government's obligation to carry it out in a targeted, proportional, and humane way," declared the bishops in a statement (titled "Human Dignity is Not Dependent on a Person's Citizenship or Immigration Status") last week.'

    No. No you don't.

    1. Jefferson Paul   6 months ago

      Yes they do. It's just that the "targeted, proportional, and humane way" to justly enforce immigration, to them, is to allow anyone to enter our country, give them free hotel rooms and food, along with a free debit card with money pre-loaded onto it, and NEVER deport them or stop giving them free taxpayer-funded shit.

  40. Dillinger   6 months ago

    >>"However, non-emergency immigration enforcement ... would be contrary to the common good.

    not interested in "the Bishops" opinion of what is non-emergent

    1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   6 months ago

      …….or the “common good”.

  41. Dillinger   6 months ago

    >>Huge developments in Gaza over the weekend:

    huge ... tracts of land

  42. Dillinger   6 months ago

    >>I don't know about you, but I'm pretty tired of the property destruction that activists think will somehow influence public sentiment about Israel/Palestine.

    water balloons, half an empty bleach jug & rubber tubing. get up, stand up.

  43. Kungpowderfinger   6 months ago

    Waymo is studded with cameras and are owned by a parent company with access to your email and detailed knowledge of your porn consumption habits…

    The DHS owns Waymo?

    1. mad.casual   6 months ago

      Yeah, I love how the most fucked up part of all of that is the vandalism.

      Waymo is studded with cameras and are owned by a parent company with access to your email and detailed knowledge of your porn consumption habits.

      Go on....

  44. Dillinger   6 months ago

    >>Gazans are returning to the north

    what's a Gazan?

    1. Ajsloss   6 months ago

      About one fiftieth of an actual person, if I'm getting the exchange rates correct.

      1. mad.casual   6 months ago

        1/50th of 77% of a non-birthing person, unless they play in the WNBA.

    2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   6 months ago

      Like a Texan but much, much smaller and more explodey.

      1. Quicktown Brix   6 months ago

        *in an impossibly high voice*

        OK, Poopy!

    3. Jefferson Paul   6 months ago

      "What's a Grecian Urn?"

  45. Dillinger   6 months ago

    >>The Times also reports that "Israeli forces opened fire toward residents of southern Lebanon ..."

    ya they fired on residents. do you read what you repeat?

  46. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

    'Now Gazans are returning to the north, vast swaths of which amount to nothing more than rubble.'

    What's the market price for rubble on the commodities exchange today?

    1. Dillinger   6 months ago

      there's an ongoing rubble pile at 635 & 75 in Dallas they're using for road construction the whole getup is pretty cool

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

        So, once Gaza starts building Texas-style freeways, all those rubble investors can cash in.

        1. Dillinger   6 months ago

          easier to get from river to sea with roads.

    2. Don't look at me!   6 months ago

      In California, a pile of rubble is said to have the same value of what the entire house that used to be there was worth.

    3. Gaear Grimsrud   6 months ago

      Why can't we turn rubble into Rubles?

      1. Jefferson Paul   6 months ago

        We tried turning Rubles into rubble, but that backfired.

  47. Dillinger   6 months ago

    >>Today I learned one of the teachers union contracts allows employees to be suspended for three days—but not fired—if a teacher is caught selling drugs.

    totally depends on which employees get fired if a teacher is caught selling drugs.

  48. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

    'I don't know about you, but I'm pretty tired of the property destruction that activists think will somehow influence public sentiment about Israel/Palestine.'

    Not enough mostly peaceful?

    ps. Sure the public may not approve, but what about in the echo chamber activist ecosystem?

    1. Red Rocks White Privilege   6 months ago

      The only reason it's not getting more traction like the Fentanyl Floyd riots did is specifically because the members of the left-wing elite that happen to be Jewish don't want to advance the revolution on the gristle of their own bodies.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

        "Selfish" progressives? Say it ain't so.

  49. Longtobefree   6 months ago

    I will worry about deepfake, oops, I mean deepseek, when I see the verified results of a full audit of their accounting books by an American firm.
    The Communist Chinese lie about stuff, you know - - - - - - - - - -

    1. mad.casual   6 months ago

      Hey DeepSeek tell me about the historic events of June 4, 1989.
      "Nothing of importance happened on that day."

      So efficient!

      1. Dillinger   6 months ago

        some tanks did some things.

      2. Jefferson Paul   6 months ago

        It didn't even mention Tim Walz in its reply, so you know it's not telling the truth!

  50. Dillinger   6 months ago

    hilarious the Waymo guy is more afraid of Waymo than the Vandals somebody send that guy a cassette of Rush: Moving Pictures

  51. Bill Godshall   6 months ago

    Except that Vance is lobbying alongside his theocratic Catholic Bishops to deny women's natural, human and civil right to lawfully access abortion services.

    1. Dillinger   6 months ago

      nobody says you can't goto New Mexico for that. ~~Texas

      1. mad.casual   6 months ago

        He left out all the dignity of getting knocked up by a non-committal rando, not paying even the least bit of attention to oneself to know if they were knocked up (or contracted an STD or developed a tumor...), not being socially and financially stable or strong enough to care for the child without a partner, and then seeking coverage to pay someone else to kill it for them.

        So brave it almost makes wearing funny robes as a job seem respectable.

      2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   6 months ago

        Really? I thought all the pregnant birthing persons were fitted with GPS ankle thingies in Texas?

    2. Piru   6 months ago

      Such a silly comment. Women who want to kill their babies have a number of states where such services are available.

  52. Uomo Del Ghiaccio   6 months ago

    Deceptive headline "Vance Picks a Fight With the Bishops" really should be "Catholic Bishops pick fight with Trump policy and Vance responds".

  53. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

    Friday: Trump Just Revoked Fauci’s Security Detail

    “I think when you work for government, at some point your security detail comes off, and you know, you can’t have them forever,” Trump told a reporter at a hurricane response briefing in Asheville, NC.

    “We took some off other people too,” the president continued. “They can hire their own security too. … I can give them some good numbers of very good security people.”

    According to Fox News, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) requested security for Fauci in 2020 to protect him from threats that began during the COVID-19 pandemic.

    On Thursday, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul, one of Fauci’s toughest critics, said on X that he sent in supporting information to end Fauci’s security detail.

    “Today I sent supporting information to end the 24 hr a day limo and security detail for Fauci. I wish him nothing but peace but he needs to pay for his own limos,” he said.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/madelineleesman/2025/01/24/trump-fauci-n2651091

    1. Super Scary   6 months ago

      " “They can hire their own security too. … I can give them some good numbers of very good security people.”"

      I hope he kept all the money from those birthday cards and action figure sales.

      1. mad.casual   6 months ago

        I hope he kept all the money from those birthday cards and action figure sales.

        I'll work his security detail for free.

      2. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

        Good private security people? Does that include Kimberly Cheatle?

  54. Medulla Oblongata   6 months ago

    JFK’s grandson, Jack Schlossberg, turned an odd phrase while trying to make Trump out as a bad guy on the release of the JFK, RFK, and MLK assassinations...I cannot make this complaint make sense...JFK would fight Trump's declassification of JFK's assassination?

    https://x.com/JBKSchlossberg/status/1882546649429622978

    Jack Schlossberg
    @JBKSchlossberg
    JFK conspiracy theories —

    The truth is alot sadder than the myth — a tragedy that didn’t need to happen. Not part of an inevitable grand scheme.

    Declassification is using JFK as a political prop, when he’s not here to punch back.

    There’s nothing heroic about it.

    Jack

    1. Don't look at me!   6 months ago

      If he knows what the truth is, why can’t we?

      1. Ajsloss   6 months ago

        Because you can't handle the truth?

      2. Weigel's Cock Ring   6 months ago

        The harsh truth about the Kennedy clan is that, outside of the highly intelligent and intellectual curious Bobby Jr., pretty much the entire rest of the family is a bunch of dummies.

    2. Gaear Grimsrud   6 months ago

      After reading the comments I'd say the dude is kind of a dick.

      1. Piru   6 months ago

        The grandson never met his grandfather - so how much of his concern is political and how much is familial concern.

    3. mad.casual   6 months ago

      JFK, RFK, MLK, Ross, J6... all political props. OK... even the guy's political theater is a waist-above-the-net, full inversion, behind-the-back, 360 slam dunk compared to Biden's WNBA layup style political theater.

    4. Earth-based Human Skeptic   6 months ago

      Any chance that Schlossberg is a Democratic tool, and does not want to see Trump get credit for another torpedo into the deep state?

    5. EISTAU Gree-Vance   6 months ago

      The same day trump ordered the files released I’m kinda half watching the bad news bears (mid 70s?) on some streaming channel and there’s Walter Matthau talking to some stuffy office dude, and right behind him are 3 pictures of MLK, JFK, and RFK.

      Weird.

  55. Weigel's Cock Ring   6 months ago

    "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's."
    -Jesus of Nazareth

  56. Foo_dd   6 months ago

    "......since refugees probably qualify as one of the most vetted groups allowed to enter the country: ...... It's a roughly two-year process...."

    there is the connecting dots that are being missed. letting people in, and taking two years to vet them is not what most people would consider adequate. the problem isn't that they don't look at them, it is how long they take.

  57. Piru   6 months ago

    Catholic Charities Diocese of Fort Worth Endowment - total Federal spending $411,347,810 in the past 12 months.

    85% for Refugee and Entrant Assistance. Source USASPENDING.GOV

    There are 11 pages of entities with the name Catholic Charities that received funds.

    JD has a point.

  58. MWAocdoc   6 months ago

    I really have to take exception to the misleading title here once again! "Vance Picks a Fight with the Bishops" is almost immediately belied in the third paragraph that his statement follows attacks by the bishops on Trump's immigration policy. You might have been correct if the title had read, "Conference of Bishops Picks a Fight with US President." The bishops can be correct in their criticism of Turnip's war on immigration AND be concerned with their bottom line in any event.

  59. lwt1960   6 months ago

    As a Catholic, I too am weary of the clergy weighing in on political issues. As Jesus said, "render to Caesar that which is Caesar's...", i.e., trust your sole to God and keep your politics separate. The whole refugee issue is a strawman. The refugees you describe are here legally and have nothing to worry about. It's the illegals that need to worry and the CCB's comments could logically be construed to imply they don't make that distinction in rendering services and are therefore misusing public funds.

    Gaza- when you Israelis are trading at a 100:1 ratio, you're damn right they can demand the letter of the law is followed and that one prisoner released.

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