Be Skeptical of 'Beneficially Coercive' New Rules for Booze
A New York Times essay helps illustrate why the surgeon general's new report on alcohol and cancer leaves out crucial context and nuance.

A new warning from Surgeon General Vivek Murthy that links alcohol to cancer ought to raise questions about the purpose of such public health edicts—especially in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic, which saw a dramatic decline in Americans' willingness to trust such expertise.
Is the goal of public health to provide scientifically accurate information so Americans can understand the risks and trade-offs that are an inevitable part of life?
Or is the goal to change public behavior to eliminate risk, and to force that change if people are unwilling to go along?
Writing in The New York Times, physician Rachael Bedard argues for the latter. She likens Murthy's new warning about alcohol to vaccine mandates: A "beneficially coercive" policy that "can evolve over time as people get used to new expectations and restrictions."
"The way that public health most effectively helps people change their habits is by changing the incentives, pressures, and opportunities in the culture around them," she writes—as if human beings were wild animals that the state is charged with domesticating, rather than rational actors with free will.
But Bedard is merely stating the quiet part out loud—even as she admits that "a majority of Americans might not be in the mood for the surgeon general's advice." Indeed, she also acknowledges that the surgeon general's report isn't meant to convince ordinary Americans to change their behavior—like her husband, who apparently rolled his eyes when told about the advisory. Rather, these "recommendations, like the one to change alcohol labeling to highlight cancer risk, are policy ideas."
In other words, they're not meant to convince you to do anything differently. They are meant to convince policymakers, who will then make the decision for you.
It's a safe bet that Americans are in no mood to be scolded by public health officials these days, when the noble lies, shifting science, and officially authorized misinformation from the pandemic is still fresh in mind.
That would be true even if Murthy's edict was based on sound science.
It's not. Murthy's report claims that drinking beer, wine, and liquor is "a leading preventable cause of cancer in the United States" and that "evidence shows that this risk may start to increase around one or fewer drinks per day."
The evidence actually tells a far more complex story. Of the more than 740,000 cases of cancer worldwide in 2020 that Murthy says could have been prevented by abstaining from alcohol, more than 75 percent were attributable to people who had more than two drinks per day.
In other words, Murthy is simply restating what's already well known: That drinking a lot of alcohol, and doing it routinely, is dangerous to one's health.
Drinking less than that, unsurprisingly, is not as bad. There are still risks, of course, but the distinction between moderate drinking and heavy drinking is an important one. As Reason's Ron Bailey pointed out: "Assuming that Murthy's figures are correct, then only about 3.2 percent of the annual 609,000 cancer deaths last year are attributable to drinking alcohol. Of those, moderate drinking contributed to 3,400 deaths last year, amounting to just 0.6 percent of all cancer deaths."
It's also notable that Murthy's report makes no mention of the recent National Academy of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (NASEM) report that found "no conclusion could be drawn regarding an association between moderate alcohol consumption and oral cavity, pharyngeal, esophageal, or laryngeal cancers."
The lack of nuance and the missing context in Murthy's report makes more sense when you consider Bedard's point of view. If the goal of public health is to be "beneficially coercive," then it becomes easier to justify leaving out data and information that run counter to the predetermined conclusion.
A more effective public health effort would remind people that excessive drinking leads to a wide range of negative outcomes, including a heightened risk of cancer, and that moderation is a healthier choice.
In rushing to convince everyone that a single sip of booze is dangerously risky, however, the public health establishment is likely to succeed only in getting more Americans to (rightfully) roll their eyes at this nonsense.
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Be skeptical about the Beneficially Coercive “Election Reforms” Boehm keeps pushing
Boehm is a Birdbrain.
That may be what annoys you, but I despise the waste of money and the foolish ignorance of health horrors not even addressed.
Take the abortion pill Mifepristone
IN 2000 FDA assholes were saying almost the opposite of what they say now
2000 : " It can be used only up to 7 weeks of pregnancy, it must be dispensed by a doctor after an in-person evaluation, the pill must be taken at the doctor’s office, and an in-person follow-up with the doctor is required. Any serious adverse effects would have to be reported to the FDA."
Utter Bullshit , you can die now and too bad. Your boyfriend can put it in your drink, the baby dies and you never know your whole life what 'sweetie' did to you.
No worries; less than a week and this kind of bullshit stops.
Sadly, no. Some of it will continue exactly as is because it takes a while to process the purge-and-replacement after an administration change. Most of the rest will continue but with opposite polarity.
Even so, Trump still needs the support of the Puritanical Religious Right that still thinks of alcohol and sex as evil.
Slapping labels on things is a Democrat thing, but banning stuff is a Republican thing. Just saying.
It is always amusing watching how deep the DNC narratives get for some of you. All of that Handmaid's propaganda seems to work on the weak minded.
Sadly, you're right, and as an evangelical Christian, I find it embarrassing.
Of those who act that way, you can only know that a mere few percent of their religious views. And of those who disagree there can be many evangelicals. Your sample size of direct knowledge is pathetic and you have no control group. That is, you are a bigot and happy to be a bigot.
Murthy is only following Executive Order 13707, The Behavioral Science Insights Executive Order, which as Obama's Presidential Science Advisor John Holden noted in 2016:
"directs Federal agencies to apply behavioral science insights to their policies and programs, and it institutionalizes the Social and Behavioral Science Team.....The adminstration is releasing new guidance to agencies that supports continued implementation of
The Behavioral Science Insights Executive Order.
That guidance will help agencies identify promising opportunities to apply behavioral science insights to their programs and policies."
https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2016/09/the-behavioral-science-insights.html
Here's the EO.
https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/executive-order-13707-using-behavioral-science-insights-better-serve-the-american-people
But that doesn't link to his scam site.
I like going straight to sources.
A link in the article brought me here.
https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/oash-alcohol-cancer-web-fig1.jpg
Apparently, the Surgeon Gerneral doesn't understand correlation is not causation.
Seems similar to died with Covid vs died from Covid.
100% of people who died from cancer drank water. Time to ban water.
Good Idea. Water is corrosive, and an overdose can kill within hours.
I guess elites never understand how they lose credibility.
I'm also guessing they don't care about whether or not they are perceived that way. They know what's best for you. They are the elite, you are not.
'Murica, still stuck in Puritanism and Temperance. Need to tear down the Statue of Liberty and replace it with Carrie Nation wielding an axe.
Totally not a pusher of democrat propaganda.
Some of us have been calling out the public health nannies as full of shit since they proclaimed secondhand smoke to be an imminent danger, while many more were like “oh yeah, smoke and tobacco are bad! But moderate drinking is healthy, so I’m ok.”
Well, here we are. You better be prepared to dump out that wine, beer, or single malt scotch per their orders. If you won’t, they’ll ratchet up the taxes and bans on drinking until you do.
Hey, don't forget tertiary smoke is almost as bad as smoke and secondary smoke! You know, you walk into a room smoking a fag and leave, everyone who walks through that room then catches cancer and DIES!!!
Vivek Murthy Cocktail:
2 oz Handia or Soju
1/2 oz Ashwagandha syrup
1 pinch of Saltpetre
Build in a collins glass filled 3/4 of the way with heavily cracked or crushed ice, swizzle with a swizzle stick (or stir vigorously with a barspoon), topping with more ice as you go. Garnish with a sprig of soybean sprout.
For the ashwagandha syrup, blend fresh ashwagandha with enough water to make a slurry, let it sit a while, then press the juice out using a few layers of cheese cloth. Then heat the ashwagandha juice with twice as much sugar until fully dissolved (a basic 2:1 syrup).
How about, individuals' health is none of the government's fucking business??
Here's the gist: "In other words, they're not meant to convince you to do anything differently. They are meant to convince policymakers, who will then make the decision for you."
Parasites(government employees) demand ongoing rationale for pushing citizens around.
Most people, overwhelmingly so, Are not in the least affected by actual statements from papal encyclicals down to FDA announcements . They are all too long and poorly written.
THey are affected by people's slanted reporting of those statements though. So the problem is education.
When I was teaching for many yeart at a Catholic seminary I saw this all the time. Someone believes rightly, thinks it based on document or Catechism or even Bible and it most definitely IS NOT.
So 'evolution' you will hear many say that Genesis can be interpreted such-and-such way --- but they have not read Genesis.
So then I show them Genesis and they cannot find support at all !!!
St Augustine said "We see what we (already) are" Folks on here look out at the world and see all sorts of liberal or conservative verities but they see only themselves writ large. They aren't even looking.