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California

What's Wrong With a Private Firefighter?

Plus: Zuckerberg's metamorphosis, Trump's congestion pricing plans, and more...

Liz Wolfe | 1.13.2025 9:31 AM

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An update on the fires: So far 24 people are known to have died in the fires burning in and around Los Angeles, while at least 16 people remain missing. Over 38,000 acres have burned, more than two and a half times the size of Manhattan. Though the winds calmed for a portion of the weekend, they are expected to pick up again this week, making it even harder to contain the Palisades and Eaton fires, which are 13 percent and 27 percent contained, respectively. Meteorologists predict that the winds will recede by Thursday, but fire crews continue to struggle to get the blazes under control. The water system is still struggling to keep up with demand.

In the Pacific Palisades, "water is collected in a reservoir that pumps into three high-elevation storage tanks, each with a capacity of about one million gallons," notes The New York Times. "Water then flows by gravity into homes and fire hydrants." But the storage tanks were depleted rather quickly, given the scale of the disaster, and the extreme winds have repeatedly prevented aerial drops by helicopter or plane.

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A lot of the damage could have been prevented with proper management ahead of time. "When you study the destruction in Pacific Palisades and Altadena, note what didn't burn—unconsumed tree canopies adjacent to totally destroyed homes," wildfire expert Jack Cohen told the Los Angeles Times. "The sequence of destruction is commonly assumed to occur in some kind of organized spreading flame front—a tsunami of super-heated gases—but it doesn't happen that way. In high-density development, scattered burning homes spread to their neighbors and so on. Ignitions downwind and across streets are typically from showers of burning embers from burning structures."

What this means, the newspaper explains, is that proper management is not really about preventing wildfires "but instead preventing points of ignition within communities by employing 'home-hardening' strategies—proper landscaping, fire-resistant siding—and enjoining neighbors in collective efforts such as brush clearing."

Private firefighter controversy: Some Angelenos anticipated something like this happening and paid for private firefighting services or called them in as the fires escalated. Now those people—who, by using private services, freed up scarce firefighting resources to go work on other houses—are being skewered all over the internet. What exactly should they have done? Waited for their houses to burn down while sitting on their hands?

Private firms to the rescue in LA:
Private firefighters. pic.twitter.com/1Q4WJh1wQ3

— The Alex Nowrasteh (@AlexNowrasteh) January 11, 2025

Developer (and failed 2022 mayoral candidate) Rick Caruso is one of the people who called in firefighting services. He owns Palisades Village, an upscale shopping mall, and deployed private firefighters from Arizona, as well as water trucks, to save his property. Other Palisades residents have been availing themselves of this service too. Scorn has followed:

"private firefighters" it's been nice knowing everyone but there truly is no hope for the future https://t.co/60fD1aTSKZ

— madison (@altmadaf) January 9, 2025

Back in 2018, when Kim Kardashian and Kanye West used such services to protect their $50 million Hidden Hills mansion, angry internet mobs condemned them. The family staved off the criticism by noting that the private firefighting crews they had hired also saved the homes of their neighbors.

In London, in the 18th and 19th centuries, this type of practice was commonplace: Each insurance company kept their own firefighting crew, which would be deployed to protect the property the company had been tasked with insuring. The crews would sometimes move on to other buildings not insured by their own company, and would be paid a fee for their services later. This same model has been replicated today: "Some private firefighting companies, including Wildfire Defense Systems, are known as Qualified Insurance Resources and are paid by insurance companies to protect the homes of their customers," reports the Los Angeles Times. 

For what it's worth, founder David Torgerson told the Times that Wildfire Defense Systems responded to 62 total wildfires in California in 2024, not losing a single property.

Back in business: Remember that Roundup about the ways Meta is scrapping its fact-checkers and changing many of its hate speech policies in favor of a more expansive, free speech–welcoming approach? Now two employees have told The New York Times that, right after Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg had announced such changes in policy, facilities managers removed tampons from the men's bathrooms (presumably provided for trans employees?) on Meta's campuses. And Zuckerberg just gave some spicy soundbites on Joe Rogan's podcast: "Masculine energy I think is good, and obviously society has plenty of that, but I think that corporate culture was really trying to get away from it," he said, calling many such companies "culturally neutered."

"The US government should be defending its companies, not be at the tip of the spear attacking its companies," Zuck said later during the same episode. There he was referring to the Biden administration's approach to COVID-related content moderation, which he claimed involved federal officials screaming and cursing at Meta employees for insufficiently kowtowing.

Watching this late-in-the-game pivot to fostering a company culture that's a lot less woke, you can't help wonder about the mismatch between what Zuckerberg purports to believe and how he acted for many years. Was he swept up in a cultural moment, and has now changed his mind? Did he always think a lot of these decisions were bad but went along with them because he felt it was too risky to step out from the herd? Or is he just being risk-averse now, with a new administration coming to power? Regardless, the man's been an extraordinarily influential tech magnate for the better part of 20 years; when it comes to free speech, I wonder why he didn't stand up to the Biden administration earlier.


Scenes from New York: President-elect Donald Trump is trying to curry favor with upper-middle-class New Yorkers by promising to raise the SALT cap (the amount of state and local taxes New Yorkers can deduct from their federal taxes) and axing Manhattan congestion pricing.


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  • Tim Walz, who was briefly relevant after Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris picked him as her running mate, is trying to stay in the news, this time by endorsing 24-year-old David Hogg as Democratic National Committee vice chair. "This is exactly what we need right now: experienced, thoughtful, and energized leadership that meets people where they are and takes bold action to win," said Walz of Hogg, who became a gun control activist following the Parkland school shooting, which he survived. (Hogg is many things, but "experienced" ain't one of them.)
  • "American Airlines Inc. violated federal law by filling its 401(k) plan with funds from investment companies that pursue environmental, social, and corporate governance goals, a Texas federal judge ruled Friday in the biggest victory yet for opponents of the strategy," reports Bloomberg.
  • "A Japanese startup is set to launch a lunar lander this week—its second attempt to land on the Moon after a first try failed in 2023," reports Semafor. "If all goes to plan, the spacecraft will touch down in a few months, making Ispace the first Asian company to land on the Moon….The launch comes amid increased private and government investment in space, as Tokyo seeks to double the country's 4-trillion-yen space industry over the next decade."
  • Absolutely wild Newsom fun facts:

Gavin Newsom has perfected a very weird style I'd like to call "Disaster Chic." It's unsettling.

It turns out it's custom! During the 2019 wildfires, his office hired an embroiderer to customize Lululemon jackets for him with the bear from the CA flag.

Slay, Governor I guess? pic.twitter.com/wEMGEjf3mQ

— Max Meyer (@mualphaxi) January 9, 2025

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    President-elect Donald Trump is trying to curry favor with upper-middle-class New Yorkers by promising to raise the SALT cap...

    Boooo!

    1. Ska   5 months ago

      You had me at curry flavor. Why don't we have more Pringles flavors like they do in Britain and Europe? Raise the salt cap now!

      1. Dillinger   5 months ago

        did you try Philly Cheesesteak flavor Pringles?

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          No, but I did try Trader Joe's stuffing-flavored potato chips. I was disappointed.

          1. Dillinger   5 months ago

            I bet

        2. Ska   5 months ago

          I haven't, but if I could survive their pizza flavor I can survive their weird sandwich flavor.

          Credit to Snyder's of Hanover pretzels for having weird flavored snacks that are actually good.

          1. Dillinger   5 months ago

            their mustard pretzels are tops.

            1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 months ago

              Those are delicious, but the jalapeño flavor is even better.

              The buffalo wing flavor is meh.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

      This.

      I mean, sure all taxes are theft and we should celebrate when taxes go down.

      But when every Democrat screams and cries about "taxing the rich", and the SALT limitation certainly aims at that cohort, eliminating the cap makes little sense (it will "cost" revenue, as they like to put it). And upper-income New Yorkers are not exactly known as MAGA voters.

      Is the SALT cap hitting more people than it should, like AMT tended to do? Okay, maybe adjust it.

      But don't effectively subsidize high-tax blue state taxes with federal "expenditures".

      Perhaps more stupid is the whole notion that somehow waitresses are so ennobled that they don't need to pay taxes on their incomes like the rest of us? What next? Cops, EMTs, firemen, and--dare I say it--teachers should also not pay income taxes?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        If we get to the point where nobody pays income tax, then OK.

        User fees and head taxes for all!

      2. Social Justice is neither   5 months ago

        If their tax burden is too damn high, much like the rent, then they should work to solve that at the local level and not demand strangers 1000 miles away subsidize their habits.

      3. Dillinger   5 months ago

        >>somehow waitresses are so ennobled that they don't need to pay taxes on their incomes

        did you not see the opening scene of Reservoir Dogs?

      4. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 months ago

        Teachers should pay 150%.

  2. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    Having our episodes live on this new channel will allow us to bring you more content...

    More delving into the COVID authoritarians, please. NEVER FORGET.

    1. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

      This might not be good for the show. I could be the only one obsessed with vengeance on (or at least an examination of) the COVID Nazis.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

        NEVER FORGET.

        1. Ajsloss   5 months ago

          #amnesty

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

            Need to do a public confessional and penance first. No absolution till then.

        2. Dillinger   5 months ago

          this place was one big prayer session to Fauci & the Mask Brigades

          1. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

            More testing needed!

      2. shadydave   5 months ago

        It infuriated me in a way that few things have ever done politically. It will take at least 100 years to undo all the damage: economically, politically, culturally. It's one thing for an outside entity to do something horrible to the country. It's another for the country to do it to itself.

        People complain about the lack of "third places" in American society now. Well if you hadn't killed off so many of them in 2020, and deemed them "non-essential" in the media, maybe we wouldn't be in this spot.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          I still don't know who I hate more, authoritarian COVID Nazi officials, or eagerly compliant (and scolding) COVID Nazi citizens.

          1. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

            People are still wearing masks, all alone, in a car.....

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

              Well, Trump did get re-elected.

              1. Small w woodchippertarian   5 months ago

                "De blue goggles... Dey do nathing!"

                1. Dillinger   5 months ago

                  up und at dem.

          2. BYODB   5 months ago

            In fairness, the government was only allowed to do what it did because of the citizens. People get what they vote for, good and hard.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

              And after voting their preferred nanny authoritarians into office, people get what they beg for. I watched people who were literally afraid to leave their houses (and even open the door for delivery) demand more and more restrictions on the rest of us, even though--to repeat--they never went outside.

      3. Zeb   5 months ago

        You aren't the only one. We can't move on from that mess without some kind of accounting.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   5 months ago

          Yeah. Fist is not alone. Biden is almost out of time but I still expect him to pardon these mass murderers before the Trump administration can administer justice.

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

            Will Biden also pardon Trump? The 1st Trump admin is as much to blame as anyone else. Don't think he'll be seeking justice against himself.

            1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 months ago

              Haha. You must not live in a blue state.

              No, trump is not “as much to blame as anyone else.” Not even close.

          2. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

            Ahem ... when did that ever stop Trump?

            1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

              Nothing stops TDS-addled steaming piles of shit from making sure the world knows they are TDS-addled steaming piles of shit.

            2. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

              Are the walls still closing in?

    2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

      Speaking of Covid authoritarians, here's what Chemjeff wrote about reaction to them yesterday:

      The problem is, all you all have is just anger and outrage. You don't have an alternative vision for what the government *should* do during a global pandemic. You just don't like what the government did do.

      It is easy to Monday-morning-quarterback the whole thing, it is a lot harder to come up with an actual vision or plan. Let's see you try that for once.

      And no, "the government does nothing" was never a realistic option. Reminder: *every single governor*, both Republican and Democrat, issued some type of authoritarian state-wide mandate related to COVID.

      1. Zeb   5 months ago

        Yeah, that's pathetic. The Great Barrington declaration isn't a thing? And that's just one example of many much better plans, put forward by brilliant and qualified people, that government could have followed.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

          One of the transient lefty shit-piles who show up here and then leave responded to my linking of TGBD by deriding it as T 'Average' BD, and promptly disappeared.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

          The Great Barrington Declaration was also government doing something. ML and the other morons evidently wanted government to do nothing at all.

          Go ahead and read the rest of that discussion. When I asked him what should the government do if the disease was far more lethal, like Ebola, he refused to answer.

          That is what I am talking about. People like ML who have nothing but outrage and anger. What I call "outrage theater". They are outraged by what the government did but they have zero idea for what the government should do, or they have insane ideas like "the government should let 50% of the population die if there is an Ebola pandemic".

          1. Zeb   5 months ago

            That's not how I have interpreted ML's comments. But whatever, I don't keep track of everything everyone's ever said.
            And it's OK to express outrage without always proposing your alternative. Especially when you are in no position to actually implement an alternative.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

              And it's OK to express outrage without always proposing your alternative.

              Sure it's fine for a little bit, but after a while it just gets tiring. Okay, fine, WE GET IT, YOU'RE ANGRY. At some point, time to channel that anger towards some positive purpose. Otherwise, it just festers and poisons your soul. And frankly the rest of us are tired of hearing about it.

              1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 months ago

                As far as I know, nobody on the right endorsed firing millions of private sector employees for refusing what turned out to be a series of ineffective (at best) injections. There could not be a more clear line than covid policy re authoritarianism.

                God damn you’re a fucking idiot.

          2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

            "People like ML who have nothing but outrage and anger."

            People are rightly outraged and angry about your bosses actions. In fact, your team is fortunate the public's outrage and desire for retribution aren't as severe as they probably should be. This was the most egregious violation of civil and human rights inflicted on the population since World War II.

            Yet you remain so inherently authoritarian that you can’t even grasp the magnitude of the wrongdoing. You’re incapable of understanding that the outrage and anger are entirely justified because, at your core, you don’t believe these abuses were wrong in the first place.

            I don't call you a Nazi without reason.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

              blah blah blah. Ooo look, you called me a Nazi again. More outrage theater.

              1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

                Because you are a Nazi, and theatre or not, you deserve every bit of opprobrium you get. In fact more so.

                You really don't understand how vile your positions are.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

                  Theater is all you have. You have no substance, only virtue signaling.

                  1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

                    "thEaTeR iS aLL yOu hAvE"

                    What a lazy dismissal attempt. Just because you're incapable of grappling with the severity of the outrage or the validity of the anger doesn't mean it's empty posturing. Calling it "virtue signaling" is just your tired way of handwaving away any criticism without engaging with it.

                    Substance? The substance is the gross violation of civil rights we're angry about. The substance is the damage inflicted by authoritarian overreach. But you'd rather belittle justified outrage than actually address the heart of the issue. If anyone is putting on a performance here, it's you, smugly pretending to be above it all while dodging the real conversation.

                    1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

                      We all know that you are very, very, very angry. Got it.

                      Now it is time to channel that anger into some productive purpose. Like, you know, planning for the next pandemic. Maybe there are some lessons here that can be learned, do you think?

                      But you will never engage in this type of exercise because it would force you to admit that you also favor authoritarian government doing authoritarian things during a global pandemic. Just different in degree or magnitude than what was done previously. Either, that, or you would be forced to admit "sure, I would be totally okay with 50% of the population dying in the face of a global Ebola pandemic just as long as the government did absolutely nothing at all".

                    2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

                      And here we have the Lying Jeffy pivot: pretend to take the high road by demanding "productive solutions" while smugly misrepresenting the actual argument.

                      You talk about "planning for the next pandemic" as if handwaving away justified anger over past authoritarian overreach is the first step toward progress. Here's a newsflash: accountability is a crucial part of learning lessons.

                      Your false dichotomy—either support authoritarianism or let half the population die—is as absurd as it is dishonest. There’s a vast difference between thoughtful, measured policy and the heavy-handed, rights-trampling nonsense that actually happened. But you don’t seem interested in nuance. Instead, you just set up strawmen to knock down so you can pretend you’re making a clever point.

                      If you actually want people to engage productively, maybe stop sneering at legitimate outrage and start acknowledging that those responsible for trampling civil liberties deserve criticism, not excuses. Until you can do that, spare us the sanctimonious lectures.

                    3. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

                      There’s a vast difference between thoughtful, measured policy and the heavy-handed, rights-trampling nonsense that actually happened.

                      So what is the "thoughtful, measured policy" that you have in mind?

                      And don't you dare suggest anything that is even remotely "authoritarian".

                      The truth of the matter is, with all of your outrage and shouting and yelling, you have boxed yourself in. You can't possibly suggest anything that is "thoughtful, measured policy" because - spoiler alert - it's gonna be authoritarian in some way, shape or fashion. And that would immediately make you a hypocrite and put you on the side of the people that you have spent the last four years yelling about. So the only option that you have left to you, to save face, is to continue the outrage theater.

                    4. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

                      You can't possibly suggest anything that is "thoughtful, measured policy" because - spoiler alert - it's gonna be authoritarian in some way, shape or fashion.

                      You do love your false dilemmas, fat boy.

                      Your choice seems to be, "massive overreaching policies" or "nothing at all becuz even one rule is authoritarian!"

                    5. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

                      And Lying Jeffy falls back again on false dichotomies. "Obedience or anarchy are your only choices, slave".

                      Here’s a reality check: a thoughtful, measured policy means voluntary measures, clear communication, respecting individual autonomy, and ensuring transparency and accountability. None of that requires a boot on the public’s neck that you are so eager for.

            2. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

              Here's where you could start with a little bit of honesty for a change.

              because, at your core, you don’t believe these abuses were wrong in the first place.

              There are only two possibilities here:

              EITHER you think that the government should do nothing in the face of a global pandemic, even if the disease is as lethal like Ebola, which means that your ideology demands 50% of the population should die;

              OR you think that the government should do something, which means that you ALSO favor the "government abuses" that you rail against, just different in magnitude or degree.

              But being honest would not permit you to spring a boner with your outrage theater virtue signaling, so instead you just run around calling everyone else a Nazi.

              1. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

                If the pandemic disease causes a 50% death rate, you don't need the government mandating lockdowns. People will lock themselves down voluntarily. The government should offer information and advice. Citizens are free to follow the advice or not. Instead we got the government lying to us about mask efficacy, as well as how deadly the virus was. Instead we should have gotten advice that the elderly were particularly at risk, but healthy young people had very little risk.

              2. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 months ago

                “…..sure, I would be totally ok with chemjeff getting 50% mauled by an unmasked trunk bear.”

                You’re a fucking idiot, dude.

              3. Bertram Guilfoyle   5 months ago

                if the disease is as lethal like Ebola, which means that your ideology demands 50% of the population should die

                Does not follow.

                1. Not a Conservative but a Biden LOATHER   5 months ago

                  IF takes him totally out of the debate.
                  Don't fall for that.

              4. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

                More false dilemmas.

              5. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

                Your repeated attempts to accuse others of "virtue signaling" or "theater" are nothing more than a desperate ploy to deflect from the fact that you don’t actually condemn the abuses—you just want to minimize them. You’re not outraged by the government’s actions because, at your core, you approve of the authoritarian measures. You just don’t like being called out for it.

                And yes, Jeff, calling you what you are—a bootlicker for authoritarian overreach—isn’t "theater," it’s pointing out the obvious. You cheer on state overreach, insist that any criticism of it is "theatrical," and then try to posture as some sort of reasonable centrist while pushing thinly-veiled authoritarianism.

                You’re the one trying to play both sides while pretending you’re not in lockstep with the very abuses being criticized. So go ahead, keep peddling your false dilemmas and smug posturing. Just don’t expect anyone who sees through your charade to take your nonsense seriously.

          3. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

            The Great Barrington Declaration was also government doing something.

            The Great Barrington Declaration wasn't made by any government, you lying snake. It was an open letter by a group of the world's leading epidemiologists.

            You will just spew any old bullshit you think that you can get away with. We don't call you Lying Jeffy for nothing.

      2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

        He is an authoritarian. I don't know why he pretends he isn't.

        We see the same thing from him on other topics, such as when he said government was forced into welfare because people don't voluntarily donate enough to charity.

        He always justifies the state power. Except if it is to investigate abuses by state actors.

        1. Ajsloss   5 months ago

          "Any of you would've done the same thing" is exactly what an individualist *would* say.

        2. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

          he said government was forced into welfare because people don't voluntarily donate enough to charity.

          That is a lie. I never said government was forced to do anything. I said that government expanded to solve a problem that was left unsolved by private individuals. If that problem had been solved via private means, then there would have been no justification for government expansion. Jesse the dishonest turd lies about me as usual.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

            Your comment history says otherwise, Mr. Bears-in-trunks.

          2. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

            Jesse: "Jeffy said 5x2=10"
            Jeffsarc: "Nuh-uh. I said 2 added together 5 times is 10."

            1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

              Jeffy really is a pedantic asshole.

            2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

              This is really unfair. Jeff in fact defended 2+2=5 for a full year. He is terrible at math.

      3. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

        "...Reminder: *every single governor*, both Republican and Democrat, issued some type of authoritarian state-wide mandate related to COVID..."

        Reminder:
        Chemjeff.
        Is.
        Full.
        Of.
        Shit.

      4. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

        I recall Kristi Noem handled things well. And as for alternatives many hear pointed to the Swedish response as a much more sensible alternative to the USA response.

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_South_Dakota

          On March 13, 2020, Governor Kristi Noem declared a state of emergency. Schools were closed beginning March 16.[43][44] An executive order was issued to encourage social distancing, remote work, and following the CDC guideline of capping enclosed spaces to 10 people at a time.[45] On April 6, Noem ordered vulnerable residents of Lincoln and Minnehaha counties who are 65 years of age or older or have a chronic condition to stay home until further notice.[46] The order was lifted May 11.

          Sounds authoritarian to me. Not as authoritarian as what the governors of California and New York did, sure, but still authoritarian.

          Again, if you think that what she did was an acceptable government response, then we broadly agree that there is a justifiable government role in the face of a worldwide pandemic. We just might disagree on where to draw the line between acceptable vs. unacceptable. That's fine. Let's have THAT discussion.

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

            Well, not perfect.

          2. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

            Also big difference between her response and yours. Wider then the Grand Canyon.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

              What's the difference?

              1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

                An executive order was issued to encourage social distancing, remote work, and following the CDC guideline of capping enclosed spaces to 10 people at a time.

                The difference is encouragement versus enforcement you lying sack of shit.

              2. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

                Something about bears in trunks and how we are killing grandma.

                1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

                  "Bears in trunks" was an analogy to discuss the concept of negligence when it came to transmissible diseases. Can an individual be responsible for negligence in this context?

                  1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

                    "Bears in trunks" was an analogy intended to conflate being unvaccinated with no symptoms with being sick and not engaging in self-quarantine. I told you that when you wrote it. You ignored my comment and instead engaged in SQRLSY level shitposting.

                    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

                      https://reason.com/podcast/2021/10/25/freedom-responsibility-and-coronavirus-policy/?comments=true#comment-9176512

                      The glorious thread.

                    2. Commenter_XY   5 months ago

                      That thread NEVER gets old, JesseAZ.

                  2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

                    And it was a shitty false analogy, Jefftard.

                  3. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

                    Nope, not unless your willing to hold people accountable for spreading colds/flu. You could hold the people negligent who created and released it upon the world but people going about their lives as normal isn't negligence.

          3. Zeb   5 months ago

            There is no perfectly libertarian government in this country. So the best we've got is less authoritarian vs more authoritarian. Unless you are just going to be a cynical anarchist, that's what you've got to work with.
            Yes, any emergency declaration is going to be authoritarian in some way. That's what you get when you have a government. You seem to think "even Noem was sort of authoritarian for a few months" is some kind of clever refutation. But reality is shades of gray. And defeats what you were saying originally. The fact that people thought that some governors did much better than others indicates pretty clearly that there was a lot more than just anger about harsh policies, but that people were actually considering which governments had better or worse responses, even if they were not exactly what we would have wanted.

            1. Not a Conservative but a Biden LOATHER   5 months ago

              Ouch , so illogical.
              Why stay at that level of government. I know for a fact in wide areas of Michigan the local authorities completely ignored the governor during COVID>

      5. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

        Well, if Chemjeff wrote that Chemjeff was just wrong. I have written many times here since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic that decades of infectious disease epidemiologists - official and unofficial - had consistently and repeatedly documented in disaster planning groups that lockdowns would be ineffective and counter-productive, doing far more social and economic harm than the pandemic itself could ever do. The proper role for government is surveillance, emergency support response (National Guard and Reserve mobile hospitals and supply support.) and targeted protection of populations at risk (retirement homes).

        1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

          I'm NOT arguing in favor of government lockdowns. I AM arguing that there is no realistic scenario in which the government does NOTHING in the face of a worldwide pandemic.

          The proper role for government is surveillance, emergency support response (National Guard and Reserve mobile hospitals and supply support.) and targeted protection of populations at risk (retirement homes).

          All that is perfectly fine. But if the government were to do that, you would have the same usual suspects full of outrage.

          There is just a certain proportion of people around here who are just angry and outraged and that is all that they have. No ideas, no substance, just anger and outrage. The time is past for the theatrical demonstrations of anger. Maybe now instead the time could be better spent having a serious discussion about what is the proper role of government from a libertarian perspective when it comes to a pandemic.

          1. Zeb   5 months ago

            I really don't think that many were really arguing for absolutely no government response.

            1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

              I argue for no response except for information. Information does not include censorship activities.

            2. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

              Really? Then why don't people like ML, or for that matter the Mises Caucus crowd, or RFK Jr., why don't they say that? Instead all I ever see from them is anger and outrage about what the government did do. When have they ever said "here's what the government should have done instead"?* It is all dishonest posturing to whip up righteous fury. It is just transparent pandering to the people who were harmed by the government's actions. But it's not an honest response and it's not a serious one either.

              * With the exception of the Great Barrington Declaration, which some of them (not too many of them libertarians however) do say that that's what the government should have done. However they never really carefully analyze what the Great Barrington Declaration would have required in terms of a government response. For example the GBD would have required the government to accurately determine who was "high risk" enough to justify staying in their homes and being given all these lavish social welfare benefits. Is that even possible or feasible for the government to do at scale?

              1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

                The job of the government is to provide information and quarantine if and only if quarantine would be effective.

                1. Not a Conservative but a Biden LOATHER   5 months ago

                  But effective is an after-the-fact thing.
                  It was not effective. Biden said Trump should not be President with the COVID fatalities under his administration but they were way worse under BIDEN !!!!

              2. Zeb   5 months ago

                I think the greatest anger is about lockdowns, forced business closures, school closures and other restrictions on individual activities. And in all of those cases doing nothing at all would have been preferable by far. And all of those things did enormous harm and are extremely legitimate targets for anger.
                Now I think that a lot of that energy is better put into persuasion. Because the plan we need for "next time" is to avoid doing any of those foolish and destructive things again.

                1. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

                  Politely disagree. We had carefully thought-out, well-established plans in place long before the COVID-19 pandemic hit. Those plans were discarded out of official panic or cynical power plays and there is nothing whatever you or I can do to prevent an unconstitutional over-reach in response to the next emergency. However, punishing officials for their unconstitutional official actions during the last emergency just MIGHT cause future officials to avoid taking actions that might lead to their being punished the next time. If not, punish them again until the start thinking twice.

                  1. Zeb   5 months ago

                    I don't think we disagree much. I'm not saying the people who threw out the plans and went full authoritarian shouldn't be punished. A lot of regular people still don't seem to understand how awful and destructive the response was and those are the people I think need persuasion.

                  2. Commenter_XY   5 months ago

                    What form does that punishment take, hypothetically?

                2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

                  What's hilarious about this thread is Jeff will be here next week complaining about Trump trying to compensate citizens due to lockdowns with spending while Jeff himself continues to defend the lock downs as necessary.

              3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 months ago

                Riiiight. And yesterday you claimed to be unaware that people were talking about feds being inside the social media companies to censor “disinformation” that was inconvenient to the current regimes covid authoritarianism and trans lunacy.

                God damn you’re a fucking idiot.

      6. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

        Hey fuckhead. Maybe now you can answer my question pertaining to that discussion.

        What should the government do in a worldwide pandemic if the disease were more lethal, such as Ebola, which has a 50% mortality rate?

        If you agree that the government should do SOMETHING then we agree on the broad idea, we just probably disagree on where to draw the line.

        But if you think that the government should STILL do NOTHING even if the disease is as lethal as Ebola, then you are a moron and your ideology is shit. An ideology that demands that 50% of the population die is not one worth having.

        1. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

          Same response I gave you yesterday.
          Everything they did was incorrect, ineffective, or harmful.
          In the future, they should do less.

          1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

            He can't understand. He's inherently authoritarian. There is no place in Chemjeff's worldview for a government that doesn't DO something to anything.

            1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

              It is very ironic to hear you, the self-proclaimed populist, demand that the government ignore the people in the face of a global pandemic.

              If you think back to the dark days of February/March 2020, there were a lot of scared people demanding the government "do something" about COVID-19.

              https://news.gallup.com/poll/286277/high-confidence-government-handle-coronavirus.aspx

              WASHINGTON, D.C. -- About three in four Americans say they are very (31%) or somewhat confident (46%) in the federal government's ability to handle an outbreak of the coronavirus. This is a higher level of confidence than Gallup has found for the government's handling of previous health scares.

              And it is your team which established the precedent, with the bogus 'stolen election' fantasies, that *even if* the people are factually wrong about a particular claim, that because so many of them have concerns about election security, that their sheer number demands government action. That is what you all told us defending state governments passing more restrictive voting laws even though there is zero evidence that the election was stolen. But here when it comes to COVID-19, even though there were very large numbers of people scared and worried and demanding that the government act, *even if* their fears are unfounded, you think that the government shouldn't have done anything. You're an unprincipled moron.

              1. EISTAU Gree-Vance   5 months ago

                “….. more restrictive voting laws….”

                Lol. You mean like the way it has always been done prior to 2020? Is that too inconvenient for you, sweetie? Too dumb to get a picture ID? What’s it like not being able to fly, bank, drive, etc. etc…?

                God damn you’re a fucking idiot.

            2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

              He can't understand.

              He proves it again and again. He keeps bringing up Ebola even though Ebola can't possibly spread the way that COVID did.

        2. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

          How about they give out real info to educate people instead of scaremongering with lies so people like you don't believe nonsense like ebola will kill 50% of the population.

          It would of been better if they came out and said you are very unlikely to die from covid, less than .2% overall and almost zero for kids and healthy adults instead of saying it will be a winter of death and misery for the unvaxxed.

          1. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola

            Ebola, also known as Ebola virus disease (EVD) and Ebola hemorrhagic fever (EHF), is a viral hemorrhagic fever in humans and other primates, caused by ebolaviruses.[1] Symptoms typically start anywhere between two days and three weeks after infection.[3] The first symptoms are usually fever, sore throat, muscle pain, and headaches.[1] These are usually followed by vomiting, diarrhoea, rash and decreased liver and kidney function,[1] at which point some people begin to bleed both internally and externally.[1] It kills between 25% and 90% of those infected – about 50% on average.[1]

            Oh, silly me. It might be as high as 90%.

            1. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

              Well one thing you're not allowed to do is ban flights from the country of origin. That would be racist.

            2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

              Ebola is not an airborne virus, you stupid cunt.

              1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

                He probably knows, but will just say any old lie to push his authoritarian narratives.

            3. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

              God you are an idiot. Ebola is hard to transmit. You have be in contact with infected fluids like blood. Even if it was 100% fatal, 50% of the population would not die because less than 50% would even contract it. Look at the outbreaks in Africa, did 50% of the population die? No, not even 0.0001% of the population died. Idiots like you making up making up majorities is why we have self important asshats as politicians.

              1. Not a Conservative but a Biden LOATHER   5 months ago

                Imperial College epidemiologist Neil] Ferguson was behind the disputed research that sparked the mass culling of eleven million sheep and cattle during the 2001 outbreak of foot-and-mouth disease. He also predicted that up to 150,000 people could die. There were fewer than 200 deaths. . . .

                In 2002, Ferguson predicted that up to 50,000 people would likely die from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease) in beef. In the U.K., there were only 177 deaths from BSE.

                In 2005, Ferguson predicted that up to 150 million people could be killed from bird flu. In the end, only 282 people died worldwide from the disease between 2003 and 2009.

                In 2009, a government estimate, based on Ferguson’s advice, said a “reasonable worst-case scenario” was that the swine flu would lead to 65,000 British deaths. In the end, swine flu killed 457 people in the U.K.

                Last March, Ferguson admitted that his Imperial College model of the COVID-19 disease was based on undocumented, 13-year-old computer code that was intended to be used for a feared influenza pandemic, rather than a coronavirus. Ferguson declined to release his original code so other scientists could check his results. He only released a heavily revised set of code last week, after a six-week delay.

                So the real scandal is: Why did anyone ever listen to this guy?

            4. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

              You really are the king of the false analogy, Jeffy.

          2. chemjeff radical individualist   5 months ago

            It would of been better if they came out and said you are very unlikely to die from covid, less than .2% overall and almost zero for kids and healthy adults instead of saying it will be a winter of death and misery for the unvaxxed.

            I agree that once we knew more about COVID, the government should have been more honest in reporting on the risks from infection. I will also note, however, that you can't stop people from being hysterical about it if they so choose.

            Is there anything else that you think the government should do in the face of a global pandemic?

            1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

              Is there anything else that you think the government should do in the face of a global pandemic?

              Punish the actors who perpetuated it?

            2. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

              We knew the infection fatality rate early on from the Diamond Princess cruise ship. But you are right, hysterical idiots like you demanding the government do something can't be stopped and leads to authoritarianism.

              Despite all this, you fail to realize no government, anywhere has the ability to stop the spread of covid. Not then, not now, probably not ever. So you demanding they do something they are 100% incapable of doing is only going to make things worse.

            3. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

              Put a bear in your trunk, Jeffy?

        3. Zeb   5 months ago

          If there is a disease that spreads rapidly and has a 50% mortality rate, we're fucked no matter what. But that is an extremely unlikely scenario. And you are assuming that without government action, nothing will be done to mitigate something like that in the unlikely event it does happen.
          What is likely to happen is another moderately severe flu-like thing. And for something like that, the government should do nothing forceful. Provide information and maybe enforce quarantines if they will be effective (which they were not at all for covid and probably won't be for other highly transmissible respiratory viruses).

          1. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

            Hypothetically, with a pandemic of an airborne virus that actually has a 50% infection fatality rate, there is no need for government-mandated lockdowns. People will voluntarily lock themselves down.

            The role of the government would be to release information to the public and offer advice as to what the best courses of action for the public to take. A terrible thing for the government to do would be to lie to and gaslight the public and shut down dissenting voices.

            1. Zeb   5 months ago

              Yes, that's likely true. People have this fantasy that government can make people do whatever they want. No, you actually need to convince people that it's to their benefit to do these things. If your plan requires 100% compliance with government diktat, then it's not going to work.

        4. damikesc   5 months ago

          50% mortality rate diseases burn themselves out exceptionally quickly.

          What should the government do? There is NOTHING they can do, so nothing is better than an overall negative solution.

  3. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    'Some Angelenos anticipated something like this happening and paid for private firefighting services or called them in as the fires escalated. Now those people—who, by using private services, freed up scarce firefighting resources to go work on other houses—are being skewered all over the internet. What exactly should they have done? Waited for their houses to burn down while sitting on their hands?'

    Dude, don't you even collectivist?

    1. shadydave   5 months ago

      If you neighbor dies at 72, do you have to unalive yourself on your 72nd birthday? I mean in Canada the answer is 'yes,' but here?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Did you pay for your own doctor and thus steal resources from the public health service? Well, did you?

        1. Ajsloss   5 months ago

          If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.

          1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   5 months ago

            In your basement... Tied to a chair

    2. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

      The dingdongs complaining about the private firefighters are simply pissed that their heckin' valid governmentarino service wasn't up to the task of handling the entire situation. They should have taken the view that this required help from as many corners as possible to fight the fires, rather than get pissed that Caruso was taking care of his own little corner on his own. But that goes nicely with their "everyone should have to suffer equally in a natural disaster, but particularly my political enemies should suffer more than those who share my political theology" mindset. It's why I'm not all that upset about the champagne marxists in that area losing their homes.

      What they really don't want to confront is that this is the culmination of about 50 years of rad-left ideology insinuating itself into areas where it has no place in a functioning society, particularly when it comes to disaster prep and management. It's no different than Spain's government tearing down a bunch of dams built by Franco to provide flood control, for no other reasons than left-wing iconoclasm and green cultism, and then watching those areas get washed away in a flood that's been such a regular occurence in the region that the Romans built dams to mitigate them.

    3. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

      The "Luigi Lovers" think it's all State Farm's fault. They're calling for the CEO's head. 'Cause they're ever so smart.

  4. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

    One more week.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Still too much time for Biden to crap on us again. Any predictions?

      1. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

        Gas prices are going up.

        1. Ajsloss   5 months ago

          Gas prices are going up.

          Prediction? Pain.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   5 months ago

        Massive pardons including, but not limited to, the entire Biden family, Liz Cheney and all other members of the J6 inquisition, the entire FBI and CIA, Fauci and the NIH and CDC cabal and outside contractors, the entire DOJ. These blanket pardons will number in the thousands.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   5 months ago

          I'm predicting a news dump on Friday the 17th with the media distracted with the inauguration and LA fires.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

            “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.”

            - Rahm Emanuel

        2. Zeb   5 months ago

          Did they pardon Liz Chaney?

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

            Week ain’t over yet.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

      Mayorkas Grants Amnesty to 850,000 Illegals, Blames 'Bad Weather' as Reason

      With just days left as Biden’s border czar, Mayorkas announced the 18-month expansion of the Temporary Protected Status (TPS) amnesty, which includes the 234,000 illegal immigrants from El Salvador who first got their TPS status after a 2001 earthquake that destroyed the nation’s economy. The mass amnesty also includes 600,000 economic migrants from Venezuela.

      However, the once struggling economy is now growing, thanks to the successful crackdown on gang crime led by the country’s popular president, Nayib Bukele.

      That's correct—Mayorkas cited "bad weather" as the reason for not sending the illegal aliens back to their home countries.

      “El Salvador’s extension of TPS is based on geological and weather events, including significant storms and heavy rainfall in 2023 and 2024, that continue to affect areas heavily impacted by the earthquakes in 2001,” Mayorkas said. The agency “is automatically extending [work permits] through March 9, 2026.”

      https://townhall.com/tipsheet/saraharnold/2025/01/11/mayorkas-grants-amnesty-to-850000-migrants-n2650369

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

        I'm glad weather lasts 18 months now.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   5 months ago

          What happened to climate change?

          1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

            Either way, can't have people getting wet.

  5. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    Democrats in California show voters why they weren't chosen.


    Mayor Karen Bass
    @MayorOfLA
    We’re launching a new, simple intake system to report price gouging — call
    @MyLA311
    to report illegally hiked rents and prices.

    We have no tolerance for it.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      Eric Daugherty
      @EricLDaugh
      BREAKING: California Governor Gavin Newsom demands Biden "deal with misinformation" surrounding the wildfires.

      What's that supposed to mean?

      "I ask you - we've got to deal with this misinformation. There are hurricane force winds of misinformation lies. People want to divide this country, and we're gonna have to address that."

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Ultimately, it means "shut up and get on the train".

        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

          The Festival Express? Cause that's one train I'd love to get on.

        2. damikesc   5 months ago

          Funniest part, he is REPEATEDLY recommending people donate to ActBlue to "help the victime of the wildfires".

          Yes, REPEATEDLY.

      2. Moonrocks   5 months ago

        Gavin Newsome's disaster priorities:

        1) his hair
        2) his clothes
        3) his twitter feed

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

          That half untucked shirt has been fucking killing me. You know good and God damned well that was contrived. Trying to look like he rushed to get to there.

          1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

            Newsom is about as spontaneous as a clock.

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

        Note how reflexively these vipers appeal to shutting up their critics at the point of a gun.

        "People want to divide this country" = "Democrats can't be criticized for anything they do because it hurts the revolution."

        1. Commenter_XY   5 months ago

          But, but, but....that is (D)ifferent! 😉

    2. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      Using the fire to repopulate their email lists, skim 4%, and offset other spending so they don't have to report it.

      https://washingtonreporter.news/p/exclusive-rep-darrell-issa-bashes

    3. BYODB   5 months ago

      That hotline is going to be going off non-stop with baseless accusations, which will give them the ability to pick and choose who to go after based on how the government feels about the people being accused.

      You'd have to be a fool to own a business in California. You'd have to be an even bigger fool to offer people housing.

      1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

        Nobody thinks that they are the kulaks.

        "I only have 5 cows. Stalin said more than 5 cows."

      2. DeAnnP   5 months ago

        https://laist.com/news/housing-homelessness/los-angeles-palisades-fire-housing-rent-price-gouging-law-california-zillow-listing?utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr&utm_source=facebook.com

        1. BYODB   5 months ago


          LAist spotted one Zillow listing for a furnished home in Bel Air that was posted Saturday morning at $29,500 per month. That’s a nearly 86% price hike from September 2024 according to the listing’s price history, which shows the home previously listed for $15,900 per month.

          Jesus, as if anyone gives a flying fuck about properties like that.

          And also, no shit rents are 'spiking' since supply just got reamed.

        2. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

          LOL--"Here's a home in Bel-Air, one of the wealthiest cities in the US, that proves my point!"

          Fuck off with your sad dialectic, you lefty cunt.

      3. damikesc   5 months ago

        Would be a shame if the hotline was blocked with calls pointing out terrible government policies.

  6. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    Tim Walz...is trying to stay in the news, this time by endorsing 24-year-old David Hogg as Democratic National Committee vice chair.

    He could only eat lunch off of being the guy who stood in front of the Tiananmen Square tanks (or off of being a driver of one of those tanks, I forget which) for so long. It's time to glom onto a Zoomer influencer.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      Dammit. Now my post right after is ruined.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

        You snooze, you looze.

    2. Bertram Guilfoyle   5 months ago

      Well done.

    3. Idaho-Bob   5 months ago

      David Hogg and Harry Sisson would be awesome in the DNC. Between the two of them, they killed Harris' shot at POTUS.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Even more awesome would be if at least one of Hogg and Sisson did the trans thing and they got married at the next DNC convention, with Walz officiating. That would show America what Democrats stand for.

        1. Ajsloss   5 months ago

          Doing the trans thing... you mean David is going to Sisson off his Hogg?

    4. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

      This would be damn funny to see. As if the DNC weren’t critically inexperienced enough already, let’s make it the most inexperienced ever!

    5. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

      Has anyone ever seen David Hogg and Gretta Thunburg at the same time?

      1. Not a Conservative but a Biden LOATHER   5 months ago

        Two of the ugliest ,mean, snarling beasts. Matching ugliness,but she is more a man than he is.
        Is this what the average citizens in the coming utopia look like
        https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/2c60ae28cfaecfb16bd1803ed959f6835d2b1eba/0_124_1980_1188/master/1980.jpg?width=620&dpr=1&s=none&crop=none

        https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-1500w,f_auto,q_auto:best/rockcms/2022-07/220720-david-hogg-ac-722p-5c92cf.jpg

  7. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    Doubt Fist could even make this funnier.

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/01/tim-walz-endorses-david-hogg-for-dnc-vice-chair/

    1. A Thinking Mind   5 months ago

      History does not look kindly on this comment.

      1. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

        NO ONE DOES.

  8. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    ...right after Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg had announced such changes in policy, facilities managers removed tampons from the men's bathrooms (presumably provided for trans employees?) on Meta's campuses.

    Nature is healing.

    1. Idaho-Bob   5 months ago

      We have a F2M employee in my factory. There's no tampon dispensers in the men's room, but there are garbage cans in the stalls. Maintenance had to unclog a shitter and have an awkward conversation about men not flushing their tampons.

      I work in Washington so we must be equitable.

      1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

        I can understand trash cans in the stalls. You get idiots who try to flush wrappers and gum down the toilets. Tampons and pads do not belong in the men’s restroom.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          Sounds like flush toilets are white privilege. Or maybe a human right. So confusing.

        2. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

          Idiots try to flush too much stuff down the toilet without adding tampons to the mix. I see toilets at work clogged up sometimes with what looks like entire industrial sized rolls of toilet paper, or masssssive newborn baby-sized craps.

      2. Ajsloss   5 months ago

        have an awkward conversation about men not flushing their tampons.

        You'd think that man's mother would've told her that in junior high.

        1. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

          Maybe that man's mother was his father.

        2. Idaho-Bob   5 months ago

          Yeah, the women's bathrooms do not have any clogging issues.

      3. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

        I guess getting zipper tits removes the vital estrogen-producing hormones needed to remember something you've done since puberty.

  9. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    Thus never happens.

    The DOJ said Pulley, 62, registered to vote in three places: Montgomery and Philadelphia counties in Pennsylvania, and Broward County, Florida, using a false home address and a false Social Security number. He requested a mail-in ballot to vote in Philadelphia County in the 2020 general election, while also voting from Montgomery and Broward counties. He also voted in both Montgomery and Philadelphia counties in 2022.

    The case exposes a flaw in Pennsylvania’s voter integrity rules that, in this instance, allowed someone to have more than one vote.

    The Help America Vote Act (HAVA) requires voter registration applicants to provide a valid driver’s license number or the last four digits of their Social Security number if the applicant does not have a valid driver’s license. But in 2018, the Pennsylvania Department of State (DOS) issued guidance that removed a safeguard that would have prevented one person from registering multiple times.

    The DOS directed counties not to reject voter registrations “based solely on a non-match between” the driver’s license number or Social Security number on a registration application and the “comparison database numbers.”

    https://thefederalist.com/2025/01/10/judge-issues-weird-sentence-in-pennsylvania-voter-fraud-case/

    1. Social Justice is neither   5 months ago

      Exposes a flaw or exposed a new feature in the voter integrity rules? I see 2018 would make this part of the actions towards the "cleanest election in history"

    2. Longtobefree   5 months ago

      One guy voting three time is not WIDESPREAD fraud.
      Sit down and shut up.

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

        Just like jaywalkers, government caught them all.

      2. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

        And there's no PANIC without Mikey Hauser!

      3. Not a Conservative but a Biden LOATHER   5 months ago

        Depends how many 'one guy's there are 🙂

  10. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    What exactly should they have done? Waited for their houses to burn down while sitting on their hands?

    They're no Rooftop Koreans, but I guess I'll take it.

  11. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    Fact checkers are furious they can't control the narrative. Even saying the Britain swx scandal is false.

    Axios
    @axios
    Fact-checking suddenly looks inadequate and practically irrelevant. Whole realities — the supposed culprits for the LA fires, a new MAGA world map, a child sex-abuse scandal in Britain — now sweep the internet overnight.

    We no longer need fact-checkers. We need reality-checkers.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Jesse, if you accept that in the 21st century "reality" is a personal delusion that must not be challenged, including what delusional people might see on the interwebs, then it all makes sense. And justice.

    2. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

      Axios definitely needs a reality checker. Too bad they think their Leftist "fact checkers" are actually just propaganda machines.

  12. Super Scary   5 months ago

    "Gavin Newsom has perfected a very weird style I'd like to call "Disaster Chic." It's unsettling."

    I'm surprised he isn't trying to get photo-ops of him roasting marshmallows or hot dogs over parts of the wildfire to look like a normal, down-to-earth guy.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Is Disaster Chic appropriate for the French Laundry?

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

        During the Pandemic, yes. Everyone needed to make sacrifices.

    2. THX1138   5 months ago

      Derelicte

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVscQYjuq_s

      edit: Life imitates art.

    3. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

      I previously proposed dumping tons of Delta smelt from planes onto the flames to put them out instead of the water that was diverted from farmers into San Francisco Bay to support the Delta smelt.

  13. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    In London, in the 18th and 19th centuries, this type of practice was commonplace...

    AND YOU SAW WHAT HAPPENED IN GANGS OF NEW YORK.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

      Daniel Day showed up Leo?

    2. Dillinger   5 months ago

      Dead Rabbits go bragh.

  14. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    'Over 38,000 acres have burned, more than two and a half times the size of Manhattan.'

    On the other hand, the burned area is about 12% of LA city, and 1% of the LA metro area. I guess Manhattan is kinda small.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

      Things are only important if we can relate them to NYC somehow.

    2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

      Manhattan is tiny and should be irrelevant to the country as a whole.

    3. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

      Basically, it’s a quarter of the size of the City of Chicago (146,000 acres).

    4. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

      Being Southern: How many Atlantas is it?

      "By U.S. Census Bureau standards, the population of the Atlanta region spreads across a metropolitan area of 8,376 square miles"

      That's about 5360640 acres, so 38K acres is 0.7% ATLs.

      Pedantically, the City of Atlanta is about 136 square miles, or 87238 acres. LA fires are about 43% of City of Atlanta.

    5. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

      Population Density of Manhattan = 70,826 per square mile
      Population Density of Los Angeles = 8,304 per square mile.

      Disparate impact?

    6. Its_Not_Inevitable   5 months ago

      Sorry. I can't relate till I know how many football fields it is.

      1. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

        How many fires do we have to stack to reach the moon?

        1. Its_Not_Inevitable   5 months ago

          How many times do they go around the earth?

          1. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

            How many elephants do the fires weigh?

            1. Its_Not_Inevitable   5 months ago

              How many can dance on the head of a pin? No, wait. That's different.

    7. mad.casual   5 months ago

      1% of the LA metro area.

      Or 0.0001% of Mega City 2 and 0.0000000001% of Oceania.

  15. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

    Eric Daugherty
    @EricLDaugh
    REPORTER: Can you give us a sense as to who you're considering for a pardon in the next 10 days?

    BIDEN: "It depends on some of the expectations that Trump broadcasts in the last couple days here as to what he's gonna do. The idea that he would punish people for not adhering to what he thinks is outrageous. But, there are still consideration of some folks."

    1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

      https://pjnewsletter.com/joe-biden-confirms-lawless

      Biden confirmed he’s actively considering issuing preemptive pardons to former Rep. Liz Cheney and Dr. Anthony “I Am The Science” Fauci – two figures who have become lightning rods for conservative criticism.

      These wouldn’t be your garden-variety pardons either. They would be preemptive pardons – a rare move used only three times in presidential history – essentially giving them get-out-of-jail-free cards before any charges are even filed.

      “I tried to make clear that there was no need, and it was counterintuitive for his interest to go back and try to settle scores,” Biden told USA Today, recounting his November 12th post-election meeting with Trump.

      1. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

        This would be a very good place and time for Trump to test the Constitutionality of "preemptive pardons"

      2. Social Justice is neither   5 months ago

        Just so long as the entirety of the j6 report is made public and if they cannot make that be produced now that's a current crime not a historical one.

  16. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    So far 24 people are known to have died in the fires burning in and around Los Angeles, while at least 16 people remain missing.

    Those husbands shouldn't have gotten themselves in the place where they needed a gender whatever of questionable fitness to pull them out of the fires.

    1. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

      This from the crowd who also think women are just as strong as men.

      1. Longtobefree   5 months ago

        From The Babylon Bee, the ultimate fact checker:

        https://babylonbee.com/news/girl-fireman-rushes-into-burning-building-to-tell-victim-hes-too-heavy-but-the-real-firemen-will-be-here-in-15-minutes

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

          ^+1.

    2. mad.casual   5 months ago

      To be fair, you wouldn't really expect women to appreciate how few times in your life you are going to get the opportunity to pee on a wildfire and in your own backyard at the same time.

  17. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    'What this means, the newspaper explains, is that proper management is not really about preventing wildfires "but instead preventing points of ignition within communities by employing 'home-hardening' strategies—proper landscaping, fire-resistant siding—and enjoining neighbors in collective efforts such as brush clearing."'

    Or not having any neighbors within a few hundred yards?

    1. Social Justice is neither   5 months ago

      What it really means is nobody in LA should expect the LAFD to do their jobs as they focus more intensely on equity and inclusion and that they should expect to pay even more for even less.

  18. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    ...Hogg, who became a gun control activist following the Parkland school shooting, which he survived.

    Tim was friends with that school shooter. This whole thing is a setup!

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      Waltz does have some very interesting relationships with former students. By interesting I mean creepy.

  19. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    'Each insurance company kept their own firefighting crew, which would be deployed to protect the property the company had been tasked with insuring. The crews would sometimes move on to other buildings not insured by their own company, and would be paid a fee for their services later. This same model has been replicated today: "Some private firefighting companies, including Wildfire Defense Systems, are known as Qualified Insurance Resources and are paid by insurance companies to protect the homes of their customers," reports the Los Angeles Times.'

    Not fair! What kind of world is it when people have to pay for what they want, and get only what they pay for? Racists!

    1. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

      Free Insurance for everybody! You get insurance, you get insurance, and you get insurance!

  20. sarcasmic   5 months ago

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14276841/JD-Vance-splits-Trump-major-issue-cause-turmoil-day-White-House.html

    JD Vance took a shock stance separating himself from Donald Trump on pardoning those involved in the January 6 Capitol riot, a division that could lead to tension as Inauguration Day looms.

    1. Bertram Guilfoyle   5 months ago

      Either way they're both fascists, right sarc?

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

        He doesn't know what fascism is. He just repeats it after Psaki screams it.

        1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

          Sarc should write down the last twenty things he's defended down here in the comments and then he'd know what fascism is.

    2. Super Scary   5 months ago

      The constant swinging from "Trump has the republican party mind-controlled into following his every order" and "the republican party is in world-rending turmoil as they don't agree on something" is getting tiresome.

      1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

        I just think it's funny that Vance can contradict Trump about blanket pardons, and Trump defenders defend him by attacking me for pointing it out. But if anyone else said the exact same thing this same crew would attack them as fascist.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

          Why do you think it’s contradictory when it merely seems to be clarifying?

        2. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

          But Trump has said that he would consider each pardon individually and only if they were non-violent.

          “I’m going to look at everything. We’re going to look at individual cases," Trump told host Kristen Welker.

          Trump said he planned to issue the pardons "very quickly" but clarified there could be "some exceptions" if an individual had acted “radical” or “crazy” during the assault.

          Vance's position is little different:

          Vice President-elect JD Vance said that President-elect Donald Trump will issue pardons for peaceful protesters on Jan. 6, 2021 — but not violent rioters.

          Vance said that there were scores of individuals who “were prosecuted unfairly” after the Jan. 6 ransacking of the Capitol and that the Trump administration will “rectify that.”

          “If you protested peacefully on January the 6th, and you’ve had Merrick Garland’s Department of Justice treat you like a gang member, you should be pardoned,” Vance, 40, told “Fox News Sunday” about the line Trump will draw.

        3. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

          Attacking you isn't the same as defending him.

          1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

            Sarc insists he isn't tribal but sees absolutely everything through the lens of tribalism.

          2. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

            Attacking sarcjeff is a public service.

    3. Idaho-Bob   5 months ago

      Reason headline - JD Vance is wrong about pardons

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   5 months ago

        Sullum article?

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

          Or Boehm.

    4. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

      If Sarcasmic hadn't hunted down and killed his brain cells with alcohol he might see that the writer may have been inferring a conflict that wasn't there.

      Let's see if more sober people here can spot the problem with the headline:

      President-elect Trump has promised sweeping pardons for many of those charged in connection with the attack, declaring he would act 'very quickly' on Day 1 of his presidency.

      The Vice-President elect, however, has taken a more nuanced approach, emphasizing accountability for violent offenders.

      In an interview on Fox News Sunday Vance drew a line saying the pardon question is 'very simple' stating how those who committed violence should 'obviously' not be pardoned, while peaceful protestors might deserve clemency.

      He later said there was a 'bit of a gray area' in some cases, suggesting room for discretion.

      'We're very much committed to seeing the equal administration of law, and there are a lot of people, we think, in the wake of January 6 who were prosecuted unfairly,' Vance said.

      Trump's position, by contrast, has leaned heavily toward broad pardons, citing the suffering endured by those convicted, though he noted he might make exceptions for individuals he deemed 'radical' or 'crazy.'

    5. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

      There is absolutely nothing wrong with charging rioters with rioting. There is a lot wrong with charging members of the crowd with walking politely through the Capitol after the crowd forced entry into the Capitol building. And there is something fundamentally wrong with putting a rioter in Federal penitentiary for years or decades for "interfering with a Congressional process" - a questionable law under the Constitutional framework in the first place; and not intended to apply to this kind of situation by the Congress that passed it!

  21. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    A Japanese startup is set to launch a lunar lander this week...

    Tora, Tora, Tora.

  22. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    A Japanese startup is set to launch a lunar lander this week—its second attempt to land on the Moon after a first try failed in 2023...

    The mistake, they later found out, was having an Asian driving it.

    1. Ajsloss   5 months ago

      Dong! Where is my automobile?

      1. The Angry Hippopotamus   5 months ago

        Lake. Big, big lake

        1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

          Never clear if it was lake or wreck, what with the L problem.

          Fa ra ra ra ra ra ra ra raaaaa

          1. Dillinger   5 months ago

            ^^ been doing leck, big leck forever

    2. A Thinking Mind   5 months ago

      Good for them, if they want to land on the moon. How are they making money by doing it? I'm curious about the endgame here, where the company is going to profit out of sending craft to the moon.

      1. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

        If you're the only one on the moon, and you take some of it home, did it really come from the moon?

  23. Fist of Etiquette   5 months ago

    During the 2019 wildfires, his office hired an embroiderer to customize Lululemon jackets for him with the bear from the CA flag.

    At least he's not sprawled out on that bear skin with Don Jr.'s girlfriend.

  24. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    'President-elect Donald Trump is trying to curry favor with upper-middle-class New Yorkers by promising to raise the SALT cap (the amount of state and local taxes New Yorkers can deduct from their federal taxes) and axing Manhattan congestion pricing.'

    All politics is local (taxes).

    1. Longtobefree   5 months ago

      So the federal government was wrong (again/still) about salt being a bad thing?

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        And fat.

        1. Dillinger   5 months ago

          government's not fat it's just bloated.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   5 months ago

        The SALT caps did lead to high blood pressure in some neighborhoods.

  25. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

    '"American Airlines Inc. violated federal law by filling its 401(k) plan with funds from investment companies that pursue environmental, social, and corporate governance goals, a Texas federal judge ruled Friday in the biggest victory yet for opponents of the strategy," reports Bloomberg.'

    Maybe. If AA employees wanted DEI-ESG above all, then what they got is what they deserved, good and hard.

    1. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

      For the record, this is just one more shot on the Texas battlefront of the ongoing Culture Wars between the Red Combat Team and Kampfgruppe Blue. Legal basis and Constitutional grounding not required ...

  26. Zeb   5 months ago

    I simply cannot understand the mind of a person who gets angry because someone expended their own resources to prevent the destruction of their home.

    1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

      Leftist ideology is essentially rooted in jealousy.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Rooted in jealousy, and blooming in confiscation.

    2. Yuno Hoo   5 months ago

      "How *dare* you!!"

    3. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

      Imagine being a marxist getting mad because rich people pay extra to increase the supply of a service the government can't. They are litterally paying 'their fair share' to free up more government services for poorer people.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

        Imagine being an economic retard who "knows" the pie never grows in size, and thus anyone who has more has to "steal" that from others.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

          Imagine being the typical lefty shit pile (turd, sarc, molly, asshole4ever, etc).

        2. sarcasmic   5 months ago

          Imagine still believing the election was stolen, that creating money out of thin air for stimulus checks didn't cause inflation, and that the support of 31.8% of eligible voters equals a mandate.

          Man, you'd have to be some sort of hardcore dumbass.

          1. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

            That is a whole pile of strawmen you have there. Stay away from LA.

            1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

              That is a whole pile of strawmen you have there.

              Except for all the people who still believe the election was stolen, who attack anyone who suggests that stimulus checks caused inflation, and have defended Trump's claim that he's got a mandate.

              Stay away from LA.

              Or what? You're going to call me names on some stupid comments section that no one reads?

              1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

                And by "election" you mean 2016, right?

              2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

                Obviously you’re reading it, dipshit.

                1. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

                  To be fair, he claims to have most of it “muted”.

                2. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

                  Also, to be fair, I think he just scans for his name and then stuff he can troll on, so I don't think he's really 'reading' it.

                  1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

                    You guys make more comments about me than I make myself, all the while accusing me of trolling and of having no self-awareness. The irony burns.

                    1. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

                      It’s not ironic at all. It’s funny.

                    2. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

                      No, it’s not ironic, Sarc. It’s just that you’re that fucking retarded.

          2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

            Fuck off and die, asshole.

          3. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

            Projection, Sarc?

          4. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

            sarc - We're making progress, though. We used to have a choice between dumb and dumber. Now we have a choice between "hardcore dumbass" and "giggling valley-girl dumbass!" ... or "cackling senile dementia" maybe ...

          5. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

            Ideas!

    4. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

      I simply cannot understand how any person can think I care whether it is angry at me. But, of course, this is the same crowd that thinks making the heart hand-sign in a picture posted on Instagram will help the victims of tribal terrorism in Africa feel better by showing our emotional support for them.

    5. Social Justice is neither   5 months ago

      Makes sense if you get rid of the concept if "their own resources" then they're just using an outsized share of "our resources" for themselves. Now don't apply this to healthcare or anywhere else where the people complaining might be able to over consume, just where they can benefit.

  27. Yuno Hoo   5 months ago

    The family staved off the criticism by noting that the private firefighting crews they had hired also saved the homes of their neighbors.

    "The family staved off the criticism by noting that the private lawnmowing crews they had hired also mowed the lawns of their neighbors."

    "The family staved off the criticism by noting that the private poolcleaning crews they had hired also cleaned the pools of their neighbors."
    ...

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      When you get to the hot trophy wife also taking care of the neighbors, call me.

  28. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

    "extreme winds have repeatedly prevented aerial drops by helicopter or plane."

    And having them crash into drones has also grounded some of the planes fighting the fire.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/firefighting-super-scooper-plane-remains-192615759.html

  29. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

    "I wonder why he didn't stand up to the Biden administration earlier."

    Maybe because he spent some $350 million trying to get Biden elected, or perhaps rather that Trump NOT get elected?

  30. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

    “private firefighters” it’s been nice knowing everyone but there truly is no hope for the future

    This kind of thinking is a plague on society. That there are things that only government can/should do. Despite government never, ever being able to provide a better service than the private sector despite being able to print and confisacte money. Over promise, under deliver, and over charge should be printed at the top of every government document.

    1. Zeb   5 months ago

      It's literally demanding that everyone be equal in misery. Which seems pretty evil and disgusting to me.

      1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

        Equality is the lowest common denominator.

        1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

          For not being here much anymore, you sure do comment an awful lot.

          1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

            He is rarely here dozens of times a day.

            1. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

              It’s a stupid comment section that nobody reads.

        2. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

          Everyone having nothing would be both equality and the lowest common denominator.

          WEF: you'll eat bugs, you'll own nothing, and you'll be happy.

          I guess that's equality...

          1. sarcasmic   5 months ago

            That tends to be the end result of ideologies like socialism and communism that strive to make everyone equal whether they like it or not.

            1. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

              Except for the party elite.

              Equality is the lie.

  31. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

    Ed Markey
    @SenMarkey
    Trump has been bought for $1 billion by Big Oil. Just a payoff to kill the IRA and the Green New Deal. We know what will happen. More fires, more climate disasters, more death. The LA fires are preview of coming atrocities.

    1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

      "...The LA fires are preview of coming atrocities..."

      Only if Newsom ends up with more power than he has now.

    2. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

      Big oil has a weather control machine that has been fanning the flames in CA.

    3. Moonrocks   5 months ago

      The state of California doesn't seem to think that's the case, which is why they spent absolutely nothing preparing for it.

  32. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

    Washington Examiner:

    California Democrats are being denounced for calling a special legislative session to target the incoming Trump administration as the state reels from devastating wildfires.

    At the direction of Gov. Gavin Newsom (D-CA), the state legislature convened on Thursday to move forward with plans to provide $25 million to the California Department of Justice in preparation for lawsuits against the incoming Trump administration.

    The move prompted immediate backlash from California Republicans, who argued that instead of focusing on “Trump-proofing” the state, Democrats should be invested in “fire-proofing California.”

    1. Commenter_XY   5 months ago

      This is emblematic of the blue state idiocy that handed Trump the election.

  33. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

    "...Hogg is many things, but "experienced" ain't one of them..."

    Arrogant asshole is.

  34. (Good Riddance Robert L. Peters) Weigel's Cock Ring   5 months ago

    We already know exactly what the standard left wing scumbags' answer to the title question is: "If these rich people can afford to pay thousands of dollars for a private firefighter, they should be paying that in taxes instead for the betterment of all their fellow citizens."

    Here are the questions these socialist prices can't answer though:

    1) If paying more taxes is always the answer to every problem, then why aren't states like New York and California even remotely close to being the best-run states? These states already have the highest tax burdens in America, especially for those living in one of the huge metro areas.

    2) If the already huge tax burdens borne by people in these states STILL isn't high enough, then just how high does it have to go before you jerks can finally start governing effectively?

    1. Zeb   5 months ago

      Thing is, they already are paying that in taxes. And if they paid that much more in taxes, they would still have private firefighters. And if they were taxed so much that they couldn't afford that protection, then they wouldn't have the valuable properties that make up the tax base.

    2. Yuno Hoo   5 months ago

      "If these rich people can afford to pay thousands of dollars for a private firefighter, they should be paying that in taxes instead for the betterment of all their fellow citizens."

      One supposes the similar sentiment "If these rich people can afford to pay thousands of dollars for anything, they should be giving that to the poor instead" is somehow "religious" and to be shunned.

      Also, "socialist prices" is a nice Freudian slip.

    3. BYODB   5 months ago

      We already know the answer. They believe everything should be taken from everyone to then be redistributed based on the governments idea of what they need.

      That's always their answer even when it's pointed out that's been tried many times and has never once worked.

      1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

        They believe everything should be taken from everyone [except the elite] to then be redistributed based on the governments idea of what they need [as dictated by the elite, who retain all their stuff always and are to be provided whatever they desire, needs be damned.]

        1. BYODB   5 months ago

          Bourgeois socialism at it's 'finest'.

  35. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

    "... angry internet mobs condemned them ..."

    Is this, like, a multi-player online game or something? Are we afraid of virtual pitchforks and digital torches? Do we care what an internet mob thinks about us? Why?

  36. MWAocdoc   5 months ago

    "I wonder why he didn't stand up to the Biden administration earlier." - Liz Wolfe

    "It doesn't take a weather man to tell which way the wind blows." - Bob Dylan

    1. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

      Zuck is in the business of marketing. He is marketing to new admin the same way he marketed to the last one.

      "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss" - The Who

    2. Ajsloss   5 months ago

      "It doesn't take a weather man to tell which way the wind blows." - Bob Dylan

      From the article: Meteorologists predict that the winds will recede by Thursday

    3. Sometimes a Great Notion   5 months ago

      You're gonna have to serve somebody
      Well, it may be the Devil or it may be the Lord

      - Bob Dylan

  37. JFree   5 months ago

    When you study the destruction in Pacific Palisades and Altadena, note what didn't burn—unconsumed tree canopies adjacent to totally destroyed homes,

    Well yes I suppose. But other things that didn't burn are - eg Palestinian children. If Palestinian children had burned, then Reason could safely ignore the story here and move on to the national security threat of trans immigrants 'illegally' twerking on Tiktok instead of being admitted into the US.

    The implications are clear - Palestinian children need to be planted near all highway mile markers. That way, every fire that gets large enough can be safely ignored.

    1. InsaneTrollLogic (On The List!)   5 months ago

      What the fuck does your comment even have to do with what Liz was discussing, twerp?

      1. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   5 months ago

        Hatred of Jews always takes precedence for JewFree.

        1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

          He just joined Misek and KAR on my list.

          1. Mother's Lament (Salt farmer)   5 months ago

            I noted J(ew)Free was an antisemite at least 5 years ago.

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

      Can't avoid being a Nazi shit, can you, JFucked?

    3. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

      Sick.

    4. BYODB   5 months ago

      So I guess it needs to be asked how many rapes followed by a beheading are justified to 'protest' Israel.

      Bonus question: Why are Palestinian children 'burning' a tragedy but beheaded Israeli babies are acceptable to ignore.

      1. JFree   5 months ago

        Answer to your question:
        In the real world - on planet Earth - there were no beheaded babies. IF that had happened, it would have been horrific - but it didn't fucking happen. It was a rumor. Who knows the origins. That rumor was then hyped by the Israeli media. The Israeli government then ran with that and hyped it further to the world - to advance their own agenda. Including by one of the pro-genocide useful idiots here at Reason - see Liz Wolfe - Oct24 2023. Multiple Israeli victims appear to have been beheaded and burned alive. Video shows small children being shot. One victim was reportedly beheaded by a Hamas terrorist with a shovel. IDF officials told journalists yesterday that they have evidence of rape, but that they are not yet releasing it..

        The Israeli government now admits those rumors aren't true. No 'evidence' has been released since there was no truth to any of it. The Israeli media says the same. The world media has investigated those rumors and admitted they were deceived into spreading rumors..

        But the FACT is that you just posted that shit - AS IF IT IS TRUE. Why could that be? Do you have some anonymous source that's real? Or do you and your ilk just believe whatever shit the pro-genocide sociopaths like Liz here will sell from whatever her sources tell her to write? She's the one who ignores what does happen (and fails to correct the stuff that didn't really happen after she sold you all that it did happen) so that you can continue to believe what didn't happen. And now she can file a story about a dog that didn't bark (or a fire that didn't burn something). I suppose that's journalism 101.

        I understand why the idiot commenters from CA will follow every obsession about the fire there and can jump up and down that nothing else is being ignored. There is a huge value in killing journalists and prohibiting entry to journalists. It allows rumors to be believed as truth forever - while truth can be ignored forever.

        Now - you get back to the stories from Reason about the CA fire.

        1. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

          Multiple Israeli victims appear to have been beheaded and burned alive. Video shows small children being shot. One victim was reportedly beheaded by a Hamas terrorist with a shovel.

          Of the 3 horrific crimes quoted here, only one is labeled "reportedly", yet you state that "No 'evidence' has been released since there was no truth to any of it." Any of it?

          Among the dead were forty children, including a nine-month-old shot and killed while hiding with her mother

          https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/menasource/coi-war-crimes-hamas-israel-october-7-gaza-hostages/

          Why are you lying about murdered children Jeffy? Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?

          1. JFree   5 months ago

            Well golly. Then I guess that method of killing is still more than enough to not only justify a second slaughter but to ignore it while it is happening and to silence/cancel those who object to it being ignored. And for your ilk to clap like seals and fund it. Seriously - wtf is wrong with you?

          2. BYODB   5 months ago

            No doubt some Palestinian kids were killed too, but notably if Hamas hadn't started shit they would still be alive. It's also not like Israeli soldiers were going around raping women then beheading them, then killing their kids too.

            The two sides are not the same in this case, but it seems some apologists want to pretend Palestine had no choice and are just 'protesting' when that is pretty obviously not the case.

            One thing is for sure, JFree will not miss an opportunity to shoe-horn how terrible and awful Jews are, even when they have literally absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. I'm not saying that's antisemitism, but it sure looks like antisemitism. He's just a stroke away from being a Hank clone.

            Oh, and for the record Hamas filmed themselves doing this stuff and put it on the internet.

            1. JFree   5 months ago

              Israelis have everything to do with what's happening. They are not the innocent victim. That is merely part of the propaganda being sold to Americans in order to fund the response.

              A campaign that IS in fact part of the story here. Because the editorial decision to focus on story X and to ignore story Y is absolutely how a propaganda campaign works. When an article explicitly brings up what is NOT happening in a given situation in order to provide insight to what is happening, then it's completely reasonable to point out other things that are not happening. That's how real libertarians have been making their arguments since Bastiat. It's obvious that libertarians here don't understand the concept.

              1. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

                Neither story X or Y or Z is an excuse to take hostages and use them as human shields. Period.

                1. JFree   5 months ago

                  I agree. There are many thousands of hostages. Which ones would you prefer to ignore?

              2. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

                Israelis have everything to do with what's happening. They are not the innocent victim.

                Except the ones that actually were. Right? The children that were literally slaughtered in their beds by men who invaded their homes. They are easily accessible pictures of the aftermath of 10/7.

                Hamas invaded their neighbor and started a war by killing over 1200 innocent people. Their neighbors have responded by killing Hamas wherever they hide. Hamas chooses to hide in neighborhoods and hospitals and schools. Hamas could end the slaughter of innocent lives at any time by surrendering. They refuse and it continues.

                I have no sympathy for Hamas. I have no sympathy for the people that hide or aid Hamas. I have little sympathy for the people who refuse to resist Hamas. It is cliche, but still true that evil prospers when good men do nothing. The people of Gaza do nothing while Hamas uses them as human shields.

                What conclusion can be drawn? There is no Gazan resistance to Hamas. They do nothing because they hate the Other more than they love their children.

  38. Super Scary   5 months ago

    "And Zuckerberg just gave some spicy soundbites on Joe Rogan's podcast: "Masculine energy I think is good"

    I'm surprised he had the courage to say that with his current haircut.

    1. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

      Ha!

  39. Knutsack   5 months ago

    "...more than two and a half times the size of Manhattan."

    As someone that doesn't live in New York, or frankly, care that much about it, this doesn't tell me anything. I wish writers could be a little less New York-centric.

    1. Dillinger   5 months ago

      ^^ the TV people were doing it too. football fields is easier.

      1. Zeb   5 months ago

        Or, you know, actual units of measurement.

        1. Dillinger   5 months ago

          nobody can imagine what those are. everyone can imagine a football field.

          1. Zeb   5 months ago

            The playing area of a football field is a little more than an acre. Not too hard to translate. Just assume an acre is a football field.

            1. Dillinger   5 months ago

              I come from farmers I'm good. the viewing public knows football.

              1. Zeb   5 months ago

                I always find it annoyingly condescending. But I guess I'm not really typical of the viewing public.

              2. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

                I think we should really confuse Americans and put it in terms of soccer fields.

                1. Think It Through   5 months ago

                  Square inches. It would be a bazillion and sound awful.

                  1. JFree   5 months ago

                    square centimeters. It would sound awful and European and a bit communist

        2. Quicktown Brix   5 months ago

          Or, you know, actual units of measurement.

          Fine. 1.7181143e-24 light years^2.

  40. BYODB   5 months ago


    "The US government should be defending its companies, not be at the tip of the spear attacking its companies,"

    Seems to me that this slip of the tongue says quite a bit. Apparently Facebook is the governments. Which more or less checks out since they changed their policies when a new administration took over. No doubt they'll change again when yet another administration takes over.

  41. Dillinger   5 months ago

    >>proper management is not really about preventing wildfires "but instead preventing points of ignition within communities by employing 'home-hardening' strategies—proper landscaping, fire-resistant siding—and enjoining neighbors in collective efforts such as brush clearing."

    dear homeowners, it's your fault.

    1. Yuno Hoo   5 months ago

      "And don't forget to avoid the fine for not locking your car, so that hot-wiring doesn't start a wildfire."

      1. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

        And the fine for locking your cars in the face of evacuations: broken windows and loss of property.

    2. Zeb   5 months ago

      Preventing brush fires in the actual city seems like it should be part of it though.
      And ultimately it is kind of the homeowners fault. They chose to live in a desert that naturally catches fire every year after all.

      1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

        "...They chose to live in a desert that naturally catches fire every year after all."

        Humanity can only live where you approve?

        1. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

          That's your take?

          They can live where they want, as long as they own up to the consequences of their choices. Like maybe losing their home to fire every 3 years.

          1. Minadin   5 months ago

            Or building with non-combustible construction, or other fire safety features.

          2. TrickyVic (old school)   5 months ago

            ""Like maybe losing their home to fire every 3 years."'

            That would be some serious insurance premiums.

        2. Zeb   5 months ago

          My approval is not relevant or necessary. They can live wherever they want. Doesn't make it a good idea. "Fault" is probably the wrong word. But they shouldn't be too surprised when it happens.
          And government should not interfere with people trying to mitigate the danger.

          1. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

            Same thing when it comes to flooding. We should not have government run and subsidized flood insurance. If you want to build a house on the shore, when it gets flooded every few years, taxpayers shouldn't have to subsidize your flood insurance. Without it, private-market flood insurance would cost a hell of a lot more, dissuading many people form building/buying homes at risk.

      2. Dillinger   5 months ago

        >>And ultimately it is kind of the homeowners fault.

        absolutely. only you can prevent your house from burning down I remember the bear.

  42. Dillinger   5 months ago

    >>Now those people—who, by using private services, freed up scarce firefighting resources to go work on other houses—are being skewered all over the internet.

    where are the "private services" getting their water?

    1. Ajsloss   5 months ago

      They brought it from home.

      1. Dillinger   5 months ago

        then they're just dicks for not helping more.

  43. Dillinger   5 months ago

    >>on our new Just Asking Questions YouTube channel

    did you ... ask Rumble at least?

  44. Dillinger   5 months ago

    >>Tim Walz ... endorsing 24-year-old David Hogg ...

    everybody knows why.

  45. MollyGodiva   5 months ago

    The private firefighters are using sparse public water to protect a few homes, thus depriving the public firefighters the water to protect even more homes. I would be ok with it if these private firefighters were prohibited from using public water and signed waivers so that they don’t get rescued by originate firefighters if they get in trouble.

    1. BYODB   5 months ago

      So, you imagine that private firefighters use more water than public ones. Show your work.

    2. Spiritus Mundi   5 months ago

      He owns Palisades Village, an upscale shopping mall, and deployed private firefighters from Arizona, as well as water trucks, to save his property.

      They brought water with them. Also, even if they used 'public' water, they are still putting the fire out.

      Thinking, it isn't for everybody.

      1. VinniUSMC   5 months ago

        Woah, how dare you accuse Molly of thinking. It has never had a rational thought in its life.

    3. Don't look at me!   5 months ago

      It’s public water unless you want to use it.

    4. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

      A) California keeps explaining there' s*not* a lack of water...that's right-wing conspiracy theory.

      B) They brought their own water supply, presumably purchased and loaded into water tanker trucks before any fires started. They were not using hydrants.

      "The crews from Torgerson's Wildfire Defense Systems, however, set out for particular addresses. Armed with hoses, fire-blocking gel, and their own water supply.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/12/us/private-firefighters-la-wildfires.html

      As an inferno raced through Runyon Canyon in the Hollywood Hills, Adam Leber, a Hollywood talent manager who represents Miley Cyrus, called on private fighters to save his house.

      He had put the company, All Risk Shield, on a $6,000 annual retainer after the Line Fire in 2024, and said he was grateful for the ex-firefighters who raced in as he and his family were evacuating.

      “I did what any human being on earth would do,” he said in an interview. “I was 1,000 percent certain my house was done and the neighborhood was done.”

      The team brought in their own water and then pulled water from his swimming pool. “They did not tap into the fire hydrants,” he said. “That’s a huge misconception.”

    5. Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)   5 months ago

      I would be ok with it if these private firefighters were prohibited from using public water and signed waivers so that they don’t get rescued by originate firefighters if they get in trouble.

      Same thing that Jeffy said about COVID and use of emergency rooms by those who refused vaccination.

    6. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

      I would be OK if you fucked off and died, asshole.

    7. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

      Whoa, MollyGodumbass making shit up again. What a shock.

    8. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

      Molly, I would be OK with you if you got much closer to the fire. No waiver required.

  46. Dillinger   5 months ago

    >>angry internet mobs

    internet mobs' farthest reach is virtual arson.

  47. Ron   5 months ago

    some of the fire issues falls on over regulation
    We are required by law to clear land but the law also requires environmental review which does not happen in a timely fashion or is denied all together.
    We have fire fighting equipment but the power companies turn off power during a strong wind so no pump to pump water to fight fires
    We have water storage but some idiot chose fire season to empty them for maintneance that could have waited
    We have building codes to reduce damage to homes but those same codes also increase the cost of housing such that many can't afford housing anymore'
    those same codes requries fire sprinkler which when every house's fire sprinkler goes off they have less water available for fire hydrant, of course when the power goes off the in home fire sprinkler quite working unless you live in the forest like i do and you have to have a generator back up but you are often still utilizing public water sources.

    Note today i hear that the city decided to eliminate the fire fighter mechanics and outsource the work. Did this cause issues of equipment not ready to work

  48. A Thinking Mind   5 months ago

    People dying on day one or two of a massive fire are tragic. People dying on day four or five are Darwin Awards.

    1. BYODB   5 months ago

      A good point, honestly. Imagine not evacuating from the path of a wildfire.

      1. A Thinking Mind   5 months ago

        There are exceptions for fire fighters, of course, if they die in the effort of fighting the fire.

    2. Ajsloss   5 months ago

      According to that lesbian mule of a firefighter, they're all Darwin winners, because nobody should ever be in the position of needing her to rescue them.

      1. BYODB   5 months ago

        I saw that, and it was mind blowing to say the least. It just goes to show that they think of critical services as sinecures. That would be madness even to (most) of the kings of old.

        1. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

          Yeah, even the most corrupt baron knew that he could get his lands seized at the point of a spear and re-allocated to someone else if he didn't manage them properly--not because anyone gave a shit about the well-being of the peasants, but because he was costing his liege lords money.

  49. шинка   5 months ago

    "...I wonder why he didn't stand up to the Biden administration earlier."

    Fight the battle and win to lose the war?

    Play the long game, not the immediate game. Placate the masters until regime change occurs.

  50. Sarah Palin's Buttplug - Jan 6 = 9/11 (same motive)   5 months ago

    US designates extreme right-wing 'Terrorgram' network as terrorist group

    https://www.investing.com/news/world-news/us-designates-extreme-rightwing-terrorgram-network-as-terrorist-group-3809904

    Any of you Peanuts know them?

    1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

      https://pjnewsletter.com/antifa-prison-face-justice

      What started as aggressive heckling has morphed into a sophisticated network of radical cells, armed with explosives and tactical knowledge, determined to silence conservative thought by any means necessary. Remember when the left claimed they were the “tolerant” ones? Those days are long gone.

      In a case that perfectly illustrates this dangerous evolution, federal authorities recently concluded prosecution of a Pittsburgh couple who took their “protest” to explosive new heights.

      Their target? A conservative speaker discussing traditional gender roles. Their weapons? Homemade incendiary devices. Their punishment? Let’s just say it makes January 6 sentences look like cruel and unusual punishment.

      The Attack That Shook Pittsburgh

      On April 18, 2023, what should have been a routine conservative campus event featuring Daily Wire’s Michael Knowles turned into a calculated terrorist attack. Brian DiPippa, 37, and his wife Krystal DiPippa, 42, orchestrated a bombing that left several police officers injured and one sergeant requiring back surgery. When did bombing conservatives become a misdemeanor in America?

      “Brian DiPippa is a homegrown terrorist who had every intention of hurting someone that day,” testified the injured police sergeant, identified in court as T.H., who suffered hearing loss and numerous burns to her legs in addition to requiring back surgery. Imagine if this had been a Trump rally – we’d never hear the end of it.

      The attack wasn’t random. Court documents reveal the DiPippas belonged to a violent Antifa terror cell, with Brian testing positive for explosive compounds weeks after the attack. Even more chilling?

      When arrested, his phone displayed artwork celebrating injured police officers with the words “Officer Down” surrounded by confetti and balloons. Let that sink in for a moment.

      Here’s where things get interesting – and by interesting, I mean infuriating. While Brian received five years in prison, his wife Krystal got what amounts to a judicial pat on the back: three years probation and 80 hours of community service.

      That’s right – helping to bomb police officers apparently ranks somewhere between jaywalking and littering on the punishment scale. Whatever happened to equal justice under law?

      The couple must jointly pay $47,284 to the injured officer and $1,400 to the University of Pittsburgh. For context, that’s less than many Americans pay for their annual health insurance premiums. Who says crime doesn’t pay? Just make sure you’re bombing the right people, apparently.

      1. Red Rocks White Privilege   5 months ago

        The main mistake the US made with Weather Underground is that they were given tenure instead of being lined up against a wall and shot.

        1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   5 months ago

          How else could they hang out with Obama's mom?

      2. Jefferson Paul   5 months ago

        Yeah, but they weren't trying to stop the PeAcEfuL tRanSfEr of PoWeR so it's not as bad as the worst day in American history, J6.

    2. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   5 months ago

      turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
      If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
      turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.

    3. Rick James   5 months ago

      C'mon, man, they don't have like, a membership card or offices. So they're not really even a thing, man.

  51. Rick James   5 months ago

    So I'm hearing that the New York Times is getting all "hello my fellow kids" on the lawfare shit against Donald Trump vis-a-vis the Fani Willis case. Suddenly it's all "oh, this was always a hail-mary case" blah blah.

  52. Rick James   5 months ago

    Now those people—who, by using private services, freed up scarce firefighting resources to go work on other houses—are being skewered all over the internet. What exactly should they have done? Waited for their houses to burn down while sitting on their hands?

    Welcome to the people who voted for less water, less firefighting, less forest management and more LGBTQI2MAP+. If they're not from California, then welcome to the people who will vote for it if they lived in California. Always remember, Liz (and I know you know this because your youtube feed seems suspiciously similar to mine): The thing is never the thing, the thing is always the revolution.

  53. Brandybuck   5 months ago

    So basically the Socialists are demanding Socialized Fire Fighting. Unfair that some people tried to protect their homes, everyone must suffer equally! For Great Equality!

    We've been suffering from this mentality for over a thousand years, Marx merely wrote it down in a book. So good luck ever getting past it. The brief free market experiment in North America appears to be over. Mid 19th century to early 21st century, now we're sliding back into feudalism where the Top Men micromanage us as we live in hovels. Sigh.

    1. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

      We already have socialized firefighting.

      These cretins are complaining about people ALSO paying for extra private firefighting. As if, once we socialized firefighting, private firefighting must be banned.

      It's the same thing they want to do healthcare...once we have socialized healthcare, private healthcare must be banned.

      Of course, this will not apply to the elites. They will always have private healthcare, private security, private chefs...

      1. Ajsloss   5 months ago

        If you like your current firefighter, you can keep your firefighter.

  54. CE   5 months ago

    Biden with one more attempt to loot the public treasury in his last week in office:

    https://www.wivb.com/news/political-news/hill-politics/biden-announces-student-loan-forgiveness-for-150000-borrowers-bringing-total-helped-to-more-than-5m/

    In total, the Biden administration has now spent $183.6 billion to forgive student loans.

    5 million borrowers "helped"..... 163M taxpayers hit up for another 1,125 bucks each, without their elected representatives in Congress authorizing it. So much for "defending democracy."

    1. Its_Not_Inevitable   5 months ago

      He's trying to erase any doubts that he was the worst President ever.

    2. Medulla Oblongata   5 months ago

      It's (D)ifferent.

      Wait until Trump tries to spend the loose change he found in the sofas at the White House on border security...the howls will echo!

      1. TJJ2000   5 months ago

        Article IV; Section 4
        "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion"

        Didn't find one about Student Loans or the license to STEAL for them.

        Leftards biggest problem is they don't even acknowledge a USA.
        The USA isn't a 'democracy' it is a *CONSTITUTIONAL* Republic.

  55. Not a Conservative but a Biden LOATHER   5 months ago

    what's worst ? firefighter, private firefighter, NO FIREFIGHTER.
    Reason doesn't frame questions like normal people do. Are you all wealthy ? Do you all have multiple homes in case one burns down.,
    LOOK!!! that is what a Governor and mayor get you firefighter-wise

    LA Mayor Karen Bass rejects assistance from FDNY

    Why not? Her house(s) aren't in danger

  56. Not a Conservative but a Biden LOATHER   5 months ago

    Sure Biden is a fool , always has been but worse are those who knowing what a lazy stupid moron he is --- they voted for him. Has he changed in 50 years? No, barely. Gotten worse but the Joe of the Brady Bill and the Thomas hearings is the same sickeningly self-absorbed low IQ corrupt feeder at the public trough.

  57. jagjr   5 months ago

    "you can't help wonder about the mismatch between what Zuckerberg purports to believe and how he acted for many years. "

    you're kidding, right?? Zuck has spent his entire career sucking up to whatever group can provide him the cronyist advantage he needs to keep his business relevant. he can't compete in the marketplace & has consistently curried favor with the powers that be to compensate. this isn't new.

  58. jagjr   5 months ago

    "Tim Walz, who was briefly relevant after Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris picked him as her running mate, is trying to stay in the news, this time by endorsing 24-year-old David Hogg as Democratic National Committee vice chair. "This is exactly what we need right now: experienced, thoughtful, and energized leadership that meets people where they are and takes bold action to win," said Walz of Hogg, who became a gun control activist following the Parkland school shooting, which he survived. (Hogg is many things, but "experienced" ain't one of them.)"
    thoughtful is also hardly a good descriptor of Hogg. emotional and knee-jerk in everything I've ever seen and read. if you want to say "passionate", then fine, but most definitely not "thoughtful".

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