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California

California's Fire Catastrophe Is Largely a Result of Bad Government Policies

This year’s deadly wildfires were predicted and unnecessary.

J.D. Tuccille | 1.13.2025 7:00 AM

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In the weeks, months, and years to come, there will be plenty of blame to share for the lapses that let the California wildfires of 2025 get so out of hand, costing lives and tens of billions of dollars. The fact that I wrote "of 2025" to distinguish these fires from other outbreaks should make it clear that these fires are anything but unprecedented, meaning that they should have been anticipated and their causes addressed. That they weren't points to a massive failure in policy.

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As I write on Sunday, January 12, Los Angeles Fire Department Chief Kristin Crowley is pointing fingers at Mayor Karen Bass for stripping the department of key resources and funding, California Gov. Gavin Newsom vows to find out the reason fire hydrants went dry during efforts to battle the devastating blazes, and everybody wants to know why a major reservoir in Pacific Palisades was empty and offline for a year. When faced with hard questions, state and local officials including Bass and Newsom are practicing more impressive dodging and weaving than we saw during the Mike Tyson–Jake Paul fight.

But that dodging and weaving can't erase the serious missteps that led to this very predictable moment.

Regulatory Delays with Devastating Consequences

"Proactive measures like thinning and prescribed burns can significantly reduce wildfire risks, but such projects are often tied up for years in environmental reviews or lawsuits," Shawn Regan, vice president of research at the Montana-based Property and Environment Research Center (PERC), told me by email. "In places like California, these delays have had devastating consequences, with restoration work stalled while communities and ecosystems burn to the ground. Addressing the wildfire crisis will require bold policy changes to streamline reviews, cut red tape, and ensure these projects can move forward before it's too late."

For example, as I've written before, under the requirements of the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA), members of the public and activist groups can formally object to proposed actions, such as forest thinning, through a bureaucratic process that slows matters to a crawl. If that doesn't deliver results, they move their challenges to the courts and litigate them into submission. The California Environmental Quality Act (CEQA) creates additional red-tape hurdles at the state level, imposing years of delays.

Regan and his colleagues at PERC have frequently addressed this subject—presciently, you might say, except that everybody except California government officials saw this moment coming.

Wasted Water

"From water rules that cause shortages to red tape that fuels extreme wildfires, state and federal policies have deepened California's most pressing environmental challenges," Regan wrote in 2023. "As a result, the Golden State now confronts the consequences of these choices, with destructive effects on its natural landscapes, its economy, and its residents."

"Water in California is often allocated not through markets but through inflexible, acrimonious, and ineffective political processes," he added. He called out subsidized water—especially, though not exclusively, for agricultural use—which divorces supply from demand. Also at fault are "use it or lose it" rules which discourage water conservation lest allocations be reduced in years to come.

When it comes to sourcing and storing water, "Officials have delayed or rejected proposals to build desalination plants that convert saltwater into drinking water," even as "the state hasn't built a significant new reservoir in more than 40 years," leaving water from rains and floods to flow away, uncaptured. "Nearly all of the water that gushed through the Sacramento–San Joaquin Delta was flushed out to sea in an effort to comply with state and federal environmental regulations aimed at protecting the delta smelt."

Badly Managed Forests

Also important, California has failed to effectively manage its forests. "Decades of fire suppression, coupled with a hands-off approach to forest management, have created dangerous fuel loads (the amount of combustible material in a particular area)," Regan wrote. Ominously, he added: "With conditions like this, all it takes to ignite an inferno is a spark and some wind."

In 2020, Elizabeth Weil of ProPublica also named California's forest management as a serious concern.

"Academics believe that between 4.4 million and 11.8 million acres burned each year in prehistoric California," Weil noted. "Between 1982 and 1998, California's agency land managers burned, on average, about 30,000 acres a year. Between 1999 and 2017, that number dropped to an annual 13,000 acres." She emphasized that "California would need to burn 20 million acres—an area about the size of Maine—to restabilize in terms of fire."

As Weil summarized the issue, "We live in a Mediterranean climate that's designed to burn, and we've prevented it from burning anywhere close to enough for well over a hundred years."

The problem is that if you don't let forests burn in a natural and healthy way while focusing fire suppression on human communities, you're likely to get out-of-control conflagrations. In the absence of water to fight the resulting fires, you've lost any ability to manage the situation.

Reforms To Fix the Mess

In 2021, Holly Fretwell and Jonathan Wood of PERC published Fix America's Forests: Reforms to Restore National Forests, recommending means to address wildfire risks in California and across the country. To claims that the wildfire problem is overwhelmingly one of climate change, they respond that a "study led by Forest Service scientists estimated that of four factors driving fire severity in the western United States, live fuel 'was the most important,' accounting for 53 percent of average relative influence, while climate accounted for 14 percent." Climate matters, but other policy choices matter more.

Fretwell and Wood recommend restricting the scope of regulatory reviews that stands in the way of forest restoration, requiring that lawsuits against restoration projects be filed quickly, and excluding prescribed burns from carbon emissions calculations that can stand in the way of such projects.

They also want to expand markets for construction materials, fuel pellets, and other products that can be made from trees removed while clearing potential fuel. That would make forest restoration profitable and allow it to be handled, at least in part, by private industry. I've written about such efforts before, including a promising effort in Northern Arizona.

"There is broad agreement on the need for better forest management, but outdated policies and regulatory hurdles continue to delay critical restoration efforts," Regan told me.

If government officials finally take these hard-learned lessons to heart and ease the process of providing and storing water, restoring forests, and fighting fires, Californians might be spared from future disasters. They seem poised to work with the incoming Trump administration on exactly that. But reforms will come too late for those who have already lost lives, homes, and businesses.

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  1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   4 months ago

    It's only a result of bad gov policy.
    We even have illegals setting fires. Go ask your scumbag coworker Fiona if the illegals starting fires should be deported.
    Newsom dump water to save a fish that doesn't exist, nigger bass cut firefighter readiness, faggot dyke chief appointed other faggot dykes to focus on "equity", and a shit head cut spick making 700k a year as the head of water and power said her focus it to view everything through an equity lense. Meanwhile they all look to the antihuman Sierra club for forest management policy.
    No it's all the subhuman cancers that are Marxists that are to blame.

  2. JohnZ   4 months ago

    First post nails it. I would also add the stupidity of the voters who voted for and elected morons such as Newsom and Karen Bass.
    Los Angeles has committed suicide in the name of woke/DEI rubbish. Idiots totally unqualified for anything but menial tasks are placed into vitally important positions and the results have been a disaster.
    Enjoy you woke DEI leadership folks. It's what you voted for.
    You have no right to complain.

    1. Rev Arthur L kuckland (5-30-24 banana republic day)   4 months ago

      They didn't Cali Riggs elections

    2. Heraclitus   4 months ago

      Great example of ignorance. You really think DEI is to blame for not stopping a fire hurricane? 10,000 structures destroyed. No amount of equipment and water could have stopped this. Your a tool being used by the Trmp establishment. Wake up.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 months ago

        Did you read the article? This fire hurricane was preventable. DEI may not be the primary cause cause but incompetence surely is.

        1. Sevo, 5-30-24, embarrassment   4 months ago

          Do you imagine that lefty shit capable of reading comprehension?

      2. CountmontyC   4 months ago

        DEI is to blame for not being properly prepared for this fire. People who were not skilled in the areas needed were put in top positions and focused on DEI instead of prevention and preparation for what has occurred.
        A fire chief for example instead of worrying about the race, gender or serial orientation of a firefighter should have been worrying about if the firefighter was up to the task both physically and mentally. A fire chief should be worrying about having the proper equipment to fight the fire
        The head of the water bureau should be focused on making certain that there is sufficient water and that the water can get to where it is needed and not on the race, gender or sexual orientation of the water bureaus employees.
        Getting the job done should be the only consideration for these and other important jobs. Anything else is a potential disaster in the making.

        1. BigT   4 months ago

          Didn’t Trump start the fires?

          After all, he famously said: “You’re fired!”

          1. CountmontyC   4 months ago

            I await that talking point from the old and dying legacy media.

            1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

              Just waiting on instructions from the DNC.

      3. EISTAU Gree-Vance   4 months ago

        Haven’t kendi, diangelo and others told us that competence and problem solving are traits of white supremacy? Why don’t you believe them?

        Haha. What a doosh.

  3. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

    I've been told by MSNBC, democrats, and CNN this is all terrible misinformation.

    1. Social Justice is neither   4 months ago

      Was that the warning about their programming at the start of their broadcast or the lie they told as part of their segment?

    2. Idaho-Bob   4 months ago

      Same. It is just climate change that can be completely corrected if we all pay more taxes.

      1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 months ago

        Sadly the EV mandates didn't arrive in time.

      2. Zeb   4 months ago

        And even if we grant for the sake of argument that climate change is the main problem, it's still irrelevant. It's still a real problem that exists right now, no matter how much "green" legislation passes or how much people cut their CO2 emissions.

    3. Chupacabra   4 months ago

      /JeffSarc nods in agreement

  4. TJJ2000   4 months ago

    ...because that's what [Na]tional So[zi]alist[s] do.
    Spends all their time making sure nobody gets nothing done.

  5. sarcasmic   4 months ago

    "Academics believe that between 4.4 million and 11.8 million acres burned each year in prehistoric California," Weil noted. "Between 1982 and 1998, California's agency land managers burned, on average, about 30,000 acres a year. Between 1999 and 2017, that number dropped to an annual 13,000 acres."

    Leftist academics, and they're all leftists, don't know anything except DEI.

    1. Idaho-Bob   4 months ago

      California is ~100 million acres. If we average the estimate provided by the academics, we get 8M acres burned per year. That's the entire state of California burning every 12 years.

      Do those "academics" think the forests recovered in twelve years?

      And if those numbers are accurate, what happens to the climate change narrative?

      1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

        Do those "academics" think the forests recovered in twelve years?

        If the fires happen relatively often like that, then it's only dead stuff that burns. As opposed to accumulated combustible material fueling huge fires that burn everything, living or dead. So why wouldn't they?

      2. Rossami   4 months ago

        Well, a lot of those acres aren't forest but grassland. Yes, grassland will completely recover in a lot less than twelve years. (And yes, in the western US we inexplicably still call it a "forest" fire when it's one tree per hectare of grassland.)

        re: wooded lands, the mechanism is a bit different. When a fire occurs in a natural (that is, unmanaged) forest, it burns the undergrowth and debris but (mostly) doesn't affect the mature trees with their fire-resistant bark. A forest recovers from that kind of fire almost as quickly as grassland. But if you suppress every minor fire for years, so much debris builds up that the eventual fire (and there always will be an eventual fire) reaches past the resistent bark and into the crown of the mature trees. That kind of fire takes decades to recover from.

        So yeah, a forest recovering from a natural burn (that is, not augmented by too much debris) in 12 years is very plausible.

        1. James Wetterau   4 months ago

          Also, the really grassy areas probably burned more frequently than every 12 years, bringing up the average. But your point is well taken.

      3. sarcasmic   4 months ago

        And if those numbers are accurate, what happens to the climate change narrative?

        Who cares?

      4. Zeb   4 months ago

        Burned doesn't mean all the trees were killed.

  6. JesseAz (mean girl ambassador)   4 months ago

    They simply refuse to learn. Just like sarc.

    Mayor Karen Bass
    @MayorOfLA
    We’re launching a new, simple intake system to report price gouging — call
    @MyLA311
    to report illegally hiked rents and prices.

    We have no tolerance for it.

  7. Set Us Up The Chipper   4 months ago

    This article needs a QED at the end. Properly sums up what happened. CA will still have fires but the effects would be minimized if the points in the article were followed.

  8. Jerry B.   4 months ago

    Speaking of bad government policies...

    https://www.citizen-times.com/story/news/local/2025/01/10/fema-to-evict-3500-nc-households-from-helene-hotel-voucher-program/77483037007/

    1. DeAnnP   4 months ago

      Are their homes habitable? If so, why are they needing hotel rooms? I remember seeing folks spreading lies that if you let FEMA inspect your property they can take it away from you. That would fall under reason #2. #3, self explanatory

      FEMA said it would notify families approximately seven days before checkout dates. The 3,500 families who have to leave Saturday were told starting on Jan. 3 that they are no longer eligible for the program for at least one of the following reasons:

      An inspection at the applicant’s home that has ruled it now “habitable.”
      The applicant declined an inspection at their home.
      After multiple attempts, FEMA was unable to contact the applicant about their housing needs.

      What makes a home "Habitable"

      The exterior is structurally sound, including windows, doors and roof;
      The electricity, gas, heat, plumbing, etc., are functioning;
      The interior is structurally sound, including floors, walls and ceiling;
      There is safe access to and from the home;
      The septic and sewer systems are functioning properly; and,
      The water supply or well (if applicable) is functioning.

  9. JohnZ   4 months ago

    It's no accident the person in charge of overseeing the water supply was formerly a CEO of PGE who gave California the Camp Fire that destroyed 95% of Paradise. Now she's being paid$750,000/year for doing nothing.
    She's an idiot as much as the Mayor and Fire Chief. They're all morons.
    Women do not belong in those positions.
    Time to make fire departments white and male again.

  10. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

    God damn it! The disaster in California is overwhelmingly a result of thousands of individuals making bad choices. If you think that government should have prevented those choices, or that it should now minimize the consequences, regardless of whether it has failed, YOU ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO LIBERTARIAN!

    1. BigT   4 months ago

      The general population didn’t choose not to fill the reservoir.
      They DID choose Gov Newsom and Mayor Bass, however, so still indirectly responsible.

      1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

        The general population (in the burned areas) choose to buy or build houses with very high risk of fire, including a measurable risk of a disastrous inferno. How much government protection do you want for them?

  11. Bubba Jones   4 months ago

    If it appears that the primary problem was house that weren't sufficiently fire resistant, what causes this?

    How do they not have fire resistant shingles and siding? What are these houses made of? My home has Class A fire resistant shingles and I didn't even have to ask for it.

    1. mtrueman   4 months ago

      "What are these houses made of?"

      It's not just houses. It's also things like the cedar chip walk ways leading from the street to the front door. Wooden fences too. Adobe is a fire proof alternative, and exposure to fire will make it stronger. It appears though, there is a stigma against such construction materials - too ethnic, too primitive.

      1. Square = Circle   4 months ago

        there is a stigma against such construction materials - too ethnic, too primitive.

        It's actually more to do with adobe having almost no structural strength at all. This is why when there are big earthquakes in West Asia thousands die while comparable earthquakes in CA kill dozens maybe.

        You're also not allowed to build with brick in CA, which has nothing to do with White Supremacy.

        1. mtrueman   4 months ago

          I'm sure there must be ways to reinforce adobe structures to make them less prone to fire and earthquake. It's a matter of cost.

          "which has nothing to do with White Supremacy."

          I'm not sure about that. The white people of California seem to cling to their traditions. The huge losses in these fires attest to that.

          1. Square = Circle   4 months ago

            I'm sure there must be ways to reinforce adobe structures to make them less prone to fire and earthquake.

            What makes you so sure? The reason concrete and steel work together is that they coincidentally have the same thermal expansion coefficient. I've been in construction for 20 years and know of no way to reinforce adobe that doesn't render the adobe superfluous - do you?

            I'm not sure about that.

            I am. Brick is fine east of the Sierra, where there a plenty of White Supremacists. We don't use it in CA because it doesn't resist lateral loads very effectively.

            Not everything is racism.

            1. mtrueman   4 months ago

              " I've been in construction for 20 years and know of no way to reinforce adobe that doesn't render the adobe superfluous - do you?"

              You make a good point. Perhaps reinforcing adobe is not the answer. Still, there are measures that can be taken to make such houses more resilient. Avoiding multi-story homes is one. Can you think of anything else besides non flammable building materials that would make houses more resistant to fires? No solution is perfect, and such houses may be more prone to earthquakes, and more expensive.

              "Brick is fine east of the Sierra,"

              Is brick chosen for its fire resistant character?

              1. Square = Circle   4 months ago

                Can you think of anything else besides non flammable building materials that would make houses more resistant to fires?

                Non-flammable materials are the No. 1 strategy, although the very best non-flammable material, asbestos, is illegal. Nevertheless, using drywall, for example, instead of plaster is better for fire resistance; using asphalt shingles or sheet metal for roofing instead of wood shake (which is also now illegal in CA); using cement-board siding instead of wood.

                Is brick chosen for its fire resistant character?

                Yes. My understanding is that it's pretty standard everywhere that doesn't have a lot of seismic activity, but I've lived all my life in CA so I only know that by hearsay.

                I actually don't think the assumption that these houses weren't built with fire resistant materials is correct. Fire resistance has been pretty central to building codes for a very long time. But fire resistant is not fire proof.

                Wildfires are just part of the CA ecosystem. When it hasn't rained in months, there's lots of very dried-out dead grass all around, and 100-mile-an-hour dry wind picks up, there's simply not a lot you can do. Add to this the fact that people surround and fill up their fire-resistant houses with lots of decidedly non-fire-resistant things, and you literally have a recipe for disaster.

                The best plan is not to live in the so-called wildlife-urban interface, where these risks are much higher. People keep talking about this "dense urban area," but Altadena is a really sprawly suburb on the edge of wilderness. Wildfires never touch Compton.

                1. mtrueman   4 months ago

                  As you point out, there are various ways homes can be made more fire resistant. I think the events of the past week in LA will put such efforts at the forefront.

  12. Heraclitus   4 months ago

    I am amazed at the level of stupidity going around. You all want to blame DEI soooo badly. It's embarrassing. No amount of water or working hydrants could have stopped a fire hurricane. They may have saved a couple more structures out of the 10,000, but come on.

    The problems are bigger. Climate chnage is an obvious one. People building houses in areas adjacent to wild lands is the other big one. Neither of these can be solely blamed on the left. The other big one is forest management. This is a complicated one and both sides share the blame. But going after DEI so quickly, while the fires are still burning? You have to be especially dense to play that move. It's like you are a right-wing bot incapable of thinking in any complex way. A simpleton.

    1. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

      How does 1% climate change contribute to risk?

    2. mtrueman   4 months ago

      "You have to be especially dense to play that move. It's like you are a right-wing bot incapable of thinking in any complex way."

      Normal people tend to underestimate the fear and contempt fascists feel towards gays, blacks, hispanics, leftists and youth.

      1. Beezard   4 months ago

        Now do the Jews.

        1. mtrueman   4 months ago

          Jews today are considered White by most forward looking fascists. Leftist, gay, or non Anglophone Jews are considered self-hating Jews, and are stigmatized accordingly.

    3. CE   4 months ago

      Forest fires are going to happen. Some of them are going to be bad. But properly managed cities deal with them, without allowing 10,000 homes in long-established areas to burn to the ground.

    4. Rossami   4 months ago

      They might not have stopped a fire hurricane once it started but the entire point is that they were distracted by those political fads from doing the things that might have stopped the fire hurricane in the first place. (Note - not stopped the fire entirely, just prevented the conditions that made it so easy to spin out of control.)

      People building in or adjacent to known-risk areas is definitely a cause but the root cause of that problem is also political distraction and pandering. If insurance companies were allowed to properly price the risk, you'd see a lot less houses in flood and fire zones.

      1. mtrueman   4 months ago

        " If insurance companies were allowed to properly price the risk, you'd see a lot less houses in flood and fire zones."

        You mean 'fewer' houses. House is a count noun. 'Less housing' is the non-count counterpart, and grammatically correct, but sounds awkward to my ears.

        If insurance were to become unaffordable, be prepared to see the growth of slums and shanty towns and other informal arrangements in areas that are disaster prone. And with drought, fire, floods and earthquakes, that probably encompasses most of California.

    5. Square = Circle   4 months ago

      Climate chnage is an obvious one.

      Is it? What aspect of wildfires and dry winds in CA can be characterized as "climate change?"

      People building houses in areas adjacent to wild lands . . . . forest management?

      These are the real things.

  13. A Thinking Mind   4 months ago

    To be completely fair, dry Santa Ana winds approaching 100 mph are going to start fires, regardless of government policy. And those same conditions will disable the air power necessary to combat this type of conflagration.

    Bad government policy is making differences in the margins, not on the large scale, of homes affecting.

    The bigger government failure is manipulating the insurance market, which only helps develop more growth in vet fire-prone areas and subsidizes the risks. It’s not allowing the free market to truly control fire insurance, which should be extremely expensive for people who live in these areas. The fire risk should naturally dissuade and suppress growth, but government instead is subsidizing it. Risks are not being properly weighed in an open marketplace.

    Conditions like this were always going to be terrifying. It’s a reminder that nature can and will occasionally kick our ass. People who live in floodplains are going to have their houses washed away occasionally, too, despite the full usage of government power to supposedly mitigate these risks.

    1. Sir Chips Alot   4 months ago

      so in your fantasy world, neither the mayor of LA or the fire chief were DEI hires and were the most qualified people for the job? They did not both say on video that DEI is their focus?

      wow are you a far left cultist

      1. A Thinking Mind   4 months ago

        Not every bad thing that happens is "Totally preventable if they'd just stop this one policy I disagree with."

        If you're on the left, it's climate change. If you're on the right, it's DEI. And while I agree that climate change is a bogus charge (because wildfires happened at vast scales long before the United States existed) and that DEI is hampering effectiveness, the degree to which DEI is undercutting the combat efforts are in the lower percentages. Efforts to control the fires became substantially more effective after the first two days when the winds calmed down sufficiently to allow aircraft to be deployed.

        Eliminating all DEI policies is not going to get helicopters to fly during hurricane-force winds. There are degrees to which bad things are going to happen no matter how well prepared and organized you are.

        1. Beezard   4 months ago

          I just watched a 1949 film about propaganda where they called this dynamic you described “card stacking”. There’s a bit of truth to it, (in this case, DEI often leads to the wrong people for the job being hired), but the propagandist makes it the be all and end all within the piece of propaganda.

      2. MWAocdoc   4 months ago

        First of all I never believe what politicians say. Do you? And second, if having a competent mayor and fire chief would have made absolutely zero difference to the wildfires and the damage done by them, then their "focus" whether real or imagined would, by extension, also have made no difference to the outcome.

    2. sarcasmic   4 months ago

      People have been warning for decades that that entire state is one big tinderbox thanks to the government not allowing controlled burns and/or the removal of deadwood and dry vegetation. The government couldn't have done a better job setting up the conditions for a fire like this if they tried.

      1. A Thinking Mind   4 months ago

        I agree with this, but the question is the extent of mitigation. It definitely matters, but this fire was going to happen under these weather conditions. People are vastly overstating the degree to which good policy can prevent natural disasters.

        1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

          Fires need a spark, fuel and air. The wind has created an abundance of air, but environmental mismanagement created an over-abundance of fuel. Yes I'm sure that there would have been a fire without the latter, but it wouldn't have been nearly this bad.

  14. MWAocdoc   4 months ago

    And while we're on the topic of "Bad Government Policies" there is this news item from the "War on Drugs"

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-files-nationwide-lawsuit-alleging-cvs-knowingly-dispensed-controlled

  15. DeAnnP   4 months ago

    Info for 2021, 2022, 2023

    https://interagencytrackingsystem.org/

  16. Earth-based Human Skeptic   4 months ago

    Again, why are you guys essentially complaining about poor government policy? Is this a Neo-libertarian thing?

    1. CountmontyC   4 months ago

      Government policy also prevented private property owners from harvesting on their own property and building their own private water reservoirs.
      Furthermore when we are taxed and the money is spent on the few things we agree government should do we expect it to be done properly and efficiently and that tax money be spent on actual functions of government and not a political agenda.

      1. mtrueman   4 months ago

        "Furthermore when we are taxed and the money is spent on the few things we agree government should do "

        If you can't trust the government to educate your children, why trust it to protect your home from fires and other disasters?

        1. CountmontyC   4 months ago

          Because education of children has often been accomplished without government interference and government has also been known to use schools to indoctrinate children.
          Firefighting could also be accomplished by private businesses ( sort of like granting a cable franchise) but if government taxes it's citizens to pay for firefighting it should actually do it's very best to be competent. It should spend the taxes ( the citizens money btw) on hiring the most capable firefighters and best equipment it can afford. All of the money should be spent preparing to fight fires. None of the money should be spent on social issues or advancing a political agenda. Do you disagree? If so why?

          1. mtrueman   4 months ago

            Trouble is preventing or extinguishing a fire like this is going to be extremely expensive. And voters are electing officials like Trump and Bass who are bent on cutting budgets.

            I have no problem with the fire department hiring lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transexuals, blacks, whites, hispanics, Irish, or even normal people.

            1. CountmontyC   4 months ago

              Dear Lord you are pathetic.
              1) Preventative measures are actually quite cheap ( especially in comparison in the cost of the devastation that occurs when not prevented). Some of it can actually be profitable by allowing logging and such.
              2) In case you didn't notice California is controlled by Democrats and has been for decades. Trump has nothing to do with their budget.
              3) I also have no problem with the fire department hiring lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transexuals, blacks, whites, hispanics, Irish, or even normal people if they are the most qualified. The problem occurs when the fire department hires lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transexuals, blacks, whites, hispanics, Irish, or even normal people because they are lesbian,gay, bisexual, transexual, black, white Hispanic, Irish or even normal instead of being the best qualified or even qualified for the position. The sole criteria should be hiring those that can do the job and even then it should be the best applicants hired not some diversity quota. Lives are literally at stake.

              1. mtrueman   4 months ago

                "1) Preventative measures are actually quite cheap ( especially in comparison in the cost of the devastation that occurs when not prevented). Some of it can actually be profitable by allowing logging and such."

                It is only cheap if we resort to using prisoners. Those who are helping with the fires now are getting paid something like $US 10 a day. That's cheap. Using non prison labor is not cheap. And logging within LA county is a non starter. You need to think this through rather than repeating talking points you've heard on TV.

                "2) In case you didn't notice California is controlled by Democrats"

                I did notice.

                "instead of being the best qualified or even qualified for the position."

                Do you have a job? Are you the best qualified person in the world/country/state/city to do the job you do? Were you the best qualified when you were hired? Companies hire people whom they believe are capable of performing the job adequately, whether it's fighting fires, flying planes or frying french fries. They don't ask for the most qualified person in the world/country/state/city. Your objections to hiring women, gays etc on the basis their sex or sexuality somehow disqualifies them is based on unrealistic and/or bigoted assumptions.

                1. CountmontyC   4 months ago

                  You are truly a special kind of stupid.
                  The reason that the state of California is using prisoners is that they did not take the steps that would have significantly reduced the odds of such fires occurring and would likely have kept it reduced in size. What are some of these steps you ask?
                  1) Allow logging in these forests thin things out. This actually produces revenue because the logging companies sell the harvested trees. The timber companies also build ans maintain roads to these areas at their own expense. Those roads serve as both a firebrick and as a way for firefighters to quickly get to fires that do occur ( that generally means stopping the fire BEFORE it gets out of control.
                  2) Another cheap method is to use goats. Yes I said goats. There is an actual industry that rents out goats who are placed in areas such as under power lines to eat the undergrowth. Pretty cheap actually.
                  3) This one saves money. STOP BREACHING DAMS. Really. California has decided to get rid of dams. Four so far. The dams provide electricity and water. So stop wasting money breaching the damage dams.
                  4) Deregulated private property and allow them to build their own water reserves. Oh they wouldn't hold more than a small pond or swimming pool but it would be enough for the landowners to put out small fires before they became big fires.
                  5) Since the voters actually approved this spending 10 years ago perhaps California could build new reservoirs. This would allow them to save up extra water in high precipitation years ( and diverting that water to reservoirs will also help prevent flooding in those years). This helps not only firefighting but during the dry years it makes it less necessary to ration water for things like watering crops or even areas that are high risk of catching fire because they are too dry..
                  Those are just some of the ways California could have prevented this fire from becoming the disaster it has become and not one of them would have required any more taxation than California already doe.
                  As to your final diatribe. Yes I am the best qualified to do my job where I work. Not only am I the only one who knows how to do all of the tasks my job requires but I am the only one willing to do it
                  I can't even keep a good backup because they don't want to work the wonky hours I do. Oftentimes I have to work six days a week and overtime other days because nobody else wants or can do the job.
                  And if an airline is hiring a less qualified pilot to meet some diversity quota that is how planes crash. I want any pilot flying the plane to be the best qualified available, if I am having surgery I want the best qualified people to be the doctors and nurses and when it comes to firefighting I want the best firefighters and eats available. Anything else and lives are literally being put at risk.

                  1. mtrueman   4 months ago

                    "The reason that the state of California is using prisoners is that they did not take the steps that would have significantly reduced the odds of such fires occurring and would likely have kept it reduced in size."

                    Clearly they are resorting to prison labor because of a manpower shortage. Reducing the odds is one thing, but the fire being fought now is reality, not something merely probable.

                    "1) Allow logging in these forests thin things out."

                    The fires are in LA. A city.

                    "2) Another cheap method is to use goats. "

                    Prisoners are cheaper.

                    "3) This one saves money. STOP BREACHING DAMS. "

                    Water alone would not have stopped the fire. There were thousands of fires occurring simultaneously with winds at hurricane speeds. Without massive spending, nothing would prepare the fire department, even if it was staffed exclusively with straight white males, to deal with it.

                    "4) Deregulated private property and allow them to build their own water reserves. "

                    There were hurricane force winds spreading the flames. A koi pond in the garden would not do the job you think it would.

                    "Those are just some of the ways California could have prevented this fire from becoming the disaster it has become"

                    Idle and tendentious speculation.

                    " Yes I am the best qualified to do my job where I work. "

                    A groundless assertion. How much time have you spent searching for someone more qualified? I have no doubt you are capable and perform your job adequately. But to claim that you are the most qualified person on the planet strikes me as hubris. And the notion that every plane you board is piloted by the world's most qualified pilot is delusional. Same with any surgeon who takes a knife to you.

                    And 'qualified' is not the right criterion. No more than 'most qualified.' Having the right qualifications, whether it's a pilot's license, or a medical degree, is fine, even necessary, but what you really want is someone who is capable. Someone who can do the job. The assumption that being a woman, black, or a black woman who sleeps with other black women disqualifies her from holding a job is bigoted and intolerant. I'm shocked at just how politically incorrect some of your opinions are. Wake up man, it's 2025!

                    1. CountmontyC   4 months ago

                      Let's start with your last sentence. I literally posted above
                      ") I also have no problem with the fire department hiring lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transexuals, blacks, whites, hispanics, Irish, or even normal people if they are the most qualified. The problem occurs when the fire department hires lesbians, gays, bisexuals, transexuals, blacks, whites, hispanics, Irish, or even normal people because they are lesbian,gay, bisexual, transexual, black, white Hispanic, Irish or even normal instead of being the best qualified or even qualified for the position. The sole criteria should be hiring those that can do the job and even then it should be the best applicants hired not some diversity quota. Lives are literally at stake."
                      Direct quote there buffoon.

                      Now as to the rest
                      1) The fire did not start in the city itself but from a wooded area outside the city. But even beyond that since part of the discussion is about preventing wildfires discussing forest policy is part of the discussion.
                      2) So you are advocating for slave labor? But even using your plan of prisoners all we would have to do is reinstitute chain gangs and have them go into fire prone areas and have them cut and remove undergrowth. Personally I would prefer to use goats instead of slave labor but you being of the left I understand why you believe in slave labor.
                      3) The number one thing you need to fight fires is something to suppress it. Water works great because unless you waste it by letting it flow to the sea it's cheap, plentiful and most often doesn't cause environmental harm. And it works no matter what race, sex, sexual orientation or nationality you belong to.
                      4) Stopping fires early when they are small is generally better than waiting until they get big. Again water helps. That overlarge pond or pool that has pumps could prevent that small fire from becoming a big fire. Is that concept beyond you?
                      As to my job I have been in my position since I applied for it and was the only one who applied. I had been the backup for the previous two people for several years so was experienced and knowledgeable. Also we have been unable to find a long term assistant because nobody really wants to work the very early morning shifts it requires. So yes I can say I was the best qualified when hired and because I have done the job of basically two people I can make a claim I am still the best qualified. Do you have evidence to the contrary?
                      Now there are pilots who can fly something like a Cessna Skyhawk but I would not necessarily want them being the pilot on the Boeing 747. There are levels of qualifications and that is my concern not what their DEI score is. This is especially true when people's lives are at stake. You may be willing to sacrifice lives to some social agenda based on race, gender or sexual orientation but I am not.

                    2. mtrueman   4 months ago

                      I am shocked at your politically incorrect views on fire fighting.

                      There were hurricane force winds that spread the fire. There were thousands of fires that overwhelmed the capacity of a fire department that recently had its budget cut. Your notion that goats or koi ponds could have done anything useful to prevent the catastrophe only shows me your gullibility and eagerness to blame your political opponents.

    2. mtrueman   4 months ago

      I was surprised that the mayor of LA was criticized for cutting the city budget. Day after day we read in these pages of the necessity to trim government spending, and when it happens, it's apparently a bad thing.

      1. MWAocdoc   4 months ago

        Only if you take it out of context from pure argumentativeness! Very few libertarians think there is no role for government at all. I happen to agree that government should not be in the firefighting business (at all), but I also think that the government should not be in the land-use policy and wildland conservation and management business (at all) or the insurance regulation business (at all)! Insofar as the government imposes their regulations on those things, they should allocate an appropriate amount of resources to doing the job properly and cutting only the items that they should not be doing at all.

        1. mtrueman   4 months ago

          "they should allocate an appropriate amount of resources to doing the job properly "

          That seems to argue for increased budgets rather than cutting spending. Infrastructure hardening and fire abatement measures like burying power lines would be incredibly expensive and beyond current or past budgets. Even menial work like brush clearing would require increased budgets. I've yet to read any calls for this, just lots of complaints that the city hires gays, minorities and the like to perform work other than Trump's so-called 'black jobs.' Apparently, fire fighting isn't one of these.

          "and cutting only the items that they should not be doing at all"

          Does that include policing? Apparently, that item was one of the very few if not the only thing in the budget to see an increase. I've heard it argued that cities should disband their police forces and instead give all adult citizens some 6 months training in police methods and skills. Let the citizens provide their own security, in other words.

  17. DeAnnP   4 months ago

    https://www.nationalfisherman.com/west-coast-pacific/california-salmon-disaster-funding-falls-far-short-say-fishing-advocates

  18. Rick James   4 months ago

    Competent people saddled with bad policy. Oh how do we get good policies in the hands of the competent people?

  19. mtrueman   4 months ago

    "Oh how do we get good policies in the hands of the competent people?"

    We don't want good policies. Good policies cost money. It's enough to own the libs.

  20. Quo Usque Tandem   4 months ago

    Maxine Waters is bellowing that the conflagration is all because the rich (whose homes burned up) “don’t pay their fair share” of taxes.

    You seriously cannot make up what a progressive Democrat is going to say.

    1. sarcasmic   4 months ago

      Well it's true that they haven't paid their fair share. How do we know? They're still rich. If they'd paid their fair share they wouldn't be rich anymore. Like, duh and stuff.

      1. mtrueman   4 months ago

        " If they'd paid their fair share they wouldn't be rich anymore. "

        They'd have homes, though.

        1. Beezard   4 months ago

          What are you basing that counter factual on? California has one of (if not the) highest income tax per capita. Not to mention every other tax and cost of living hike.

          What is the specific “home saving” amount of tax revenue that needs to be collected to make everything function properly?

          1. mtrueman   4 months ago

            "What are you basing that counter factual on? "

            Fire fighting and fire prevention costs money.

            "California has one of (if not the) highest income tax per capita."

            Evidently not high enough. California is particularly susceptible to wild fires. Cutting the budget to the fire department seems ill conceived to me. Popular with the voters but ultimately foolish. The fires burning this week are all the evidence you should need.

            1. CountmontyC   4 months ago

              Who taught you logic?
              Just because there was a fire says nothing about tax rates. You could tax Californians 100% of their income and it would not matter one iota if the policies instituted by the government are idiotic.
              And as an additional counterpoint I will point out that in 2014 Californians voted to tax themselves an additional $7.5 billion to build new reservoirs. The number of new reservoirs even begun? Zero. Seems to be a pattern when Democrats are in control where you budget a large sum of money for some infrastructure projects (reservoirs, Internet, charging stations) only to deliver exactly zero of the promised projects. That doesn't mean taxes aren't high enough, it means those running things are incompetent and/or corrupt.

              1. mtrueman   4 months ago

                Whether Democrats are corrupt or not is beside the point. If Californians wanted to elect corrupt politicians from other parties, they have plenty of other choices. Fighting fires costs money. That money has to come from taxes as the private sector is unwilling or unable to do the job.

                "it means those running things are incompetent and/or corrupt."

                And it's not just politicians, either. You'll find corruption in the insurance scams, the private contractors hired, and all down the line. The whole system is rife with corruption. The problem with the MAGA folks is their naive belief that electing a corrupt celebrity will answer all their prayers. It's cultish and childish.

        2. Quo Usque Tandem   4 months ago

          Look everyone, we have a believer!

          Not so sure about the "useful" part though...

  21. RickAbrams   4 months ago

    As City Fire Chief Kristin Crowley said that problems go back to 2010 -- that is when Garetti started his war on the LAFD slashing its budget because he wanted to give billions of dollars to developers to Manhattanize Los Angeles. For example, prior to 2010, Garcetti had already cut the proposed 2 acre Hollywood Regional Fire Station 82 from 2 acres to 1/2 acre. FS 82's distance from the Hollywood Hills and Griffith Park can be measured in feet. Garectti wanted the 2 acres where the where the new regional Fire station was to be build for a developer buddy of his to construct an excessively dense mixed use project. The Crash of 2008 and that is the only thing which halted that horrible project. Garcetti took $200 Million from the LAFD budget and the County Grand Jury found he had used fraud and said that he should restore the funding. He never did.

    Garcetti, like the rest of the corrupt LA leadership, ignored the lessons from the 1961 Bel Air where fire hydrants went dry. Garcetti refused to fix that problem leaving all of the Hills from the Ocean over to Silver Lake to become an inferno on a Red Fire Day. The DWP cannot provide water to even regular Angelenos consistently as 3 to 4 major water mains buts each week. If LA cannot provide water to take baths, how can it fight major fires. It cannot. Chief Crowley knew and she objected -- in writing. Then Bass cut $87 Million from the LAFD budget. At the same time, Bass had $1.3 Billion for the homeless, who start many fires each day in LA.

    If you want to blame someone for LA's fires, blame Eric Garcetti. During his reign from 2001 to 2022, he made certain that all of LA's infrastructure was vastly inadequate, he took LA from the #1 destination city to dead last. He drove out so many Angelenos with his horrible polices that the entire state lost one seat on the House of Representatives. Bass has continued his policies. Lawyers who filed lawsuits to stop LA corruption were disbarred; judges who did not go along with the corruption were removed from the bench.

  22. Bill-NM   4 months ago

    Two things -

    The author (and almost everyone else) has NO IDEA the strength and destructive power of these fires. There was NO stopping them.

    So ok - by your "reasoning" - we'll blame all hurricane damage in red states on THOSE RED governments.

    But of course that's NUTS.

    1. TJJ2000   4 months ago

      LOL... Do you think the 'fire' ignited in the worlds biggest gasoline tank?
      Fires grow. They don't just blow-up into some huge disaster.
      Nice try at protecting your Nazi-Empire from criticism.

  23. CountmontyC   4 months ago

    For years,decades even, California has been warned that it needs to enact policies that minimize the risks of wildfires. Policies such as thinning out the forests and clearing out underbrush thus reducing fuel for fires. Policies such as building more reservoirs to hold water for when these fires start so that they can be stopped quickly in the early stages before they become truly dangerous. Hell back in September candidate Trump brought this up on Joe Rogan's show.

  24. ElrondPA   4 months ago

    Not only is climate change a small part of the reason for the problem, even if it were the primary or whole reason, we'd still have to deal with the situation as it is. Even if all the energy in CA were coming from renewable sources, the climate isn't going to reverse itself to the Little Ice Age next year. So government and citizens have to use the tools available to actually make a difference, not just whine.

  25. AT   4 months ago

    "Nearly all of the water that gushed through the Sacramento–San Joaquin Delta was flushed out to sea in an effort to comply with state and federal environmental regulations aimed at protecting the delta smelt."

    It wasn't aimed at protecting the smelt.

    It was aimed at intentionally destroying an American state. Same way all environmental claptrap is.

  26. lwt1960   4 months ago

    It's said if you just bring me problems and no solutions, you're just complaining. I'll modestly offer a solution the Reason folks will appreciate. The solution is to cut off the head of the snake and repeal the Environmental Protection Act, thereby closing the EPA and rendering null and void all the nonsense lawsuits by the lunatic fringe of society known as environmentalists, comprising .00001% of the population and wantonly violated property rights, destroying value and endangering lives in every corner of the nation. Until that happens, we're just tickling around the edges and the problems will persist.

  27. George Reeves   4 months ago

    California needs to recognize that fires will always happen and high winds will sometimes drive burning brands for 2 miles. Buildings need to be fire resistant if they are to get reasonable fire insurance rates. Choosing non combustible exterior materials, fire shutters, and brand proof attic vents is not very expensive. The insurance companies could enforce the change by judging the fire risk house by house to set tailored rates.

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