Alvin Bragg's Misbegotten 'Election Interference' Case Against Trump Ends With a Whimper
Aside from a felony record that may yet be erased on appeal, the president-elect will face no punishment for trying to conceal his hush payment to Stormy Daniels.

Unless the U.S. Supreme Court intervenes, President-elect Donald Trump will be sentenced on Friday for falsifying business records to cover up his 2016 hush payment to porn star Stormy Daniels. But although a New York jury convicted Trump of 34 felonies in that case last May, Judge Juan Merchan has indicated that he plans to impose "a sentence of unconditional discharge," meaning Trump will face neither jail nor probation. Which makes you wonder: What was the point of prosecuting this case?
The point, it seems clear, was to undermine Trump's prospects in the 2024 election by tarring him as a convicted felon—a status that Democrats emphasized while vainly trying to turn voters against him. But deploying that label required a dubious legal theory that aimed to punish Trump for conduct that was not inherently criminal.
As Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg told it, he was holding Trump accountable for undermining democracy by persuading Daniels to keep quiet about her 2006 sexual encounter with him at a hotel in Lake Tahoe. "The heart of the case," Bragg explained, is "about conspiring to corrupt a presidential election and then lying in New York business records to cover it up." Bragg said the nondisclosure agreement (NDA) that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen arranged with Daniels amounted to "election interference" because it deprived voters of information they might have deemed relevant in choosing between Trump and Hillary Clinton in 2016. But trying to avoid bad press is not a crime, and Trump was not charged with "election interference."
The records at the center of the case consisted of 11 invoices, 11 checks, and 12 ledger entries that prosecutors said falsely portrayed Trump's reimbursement of Cohen's payment to Daniels as compensation for legal services. To emphasize the gravity of Trump's attempt to conceal embarrassing information, Bragg relied on several interacting statutes to convert falsification of business records, ordinarily a misdemeanor, into a felony. The difference hinged on whether Trump had falsified records with "an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof."
Bragg was hazy on exactly what the other crime was, although he suggested that the Daniels NDA "violate[d] state and federal election laws." One theory was that the $130,000 hush payment qualified as an excessive campaign contribution under federal law—a characterization that Cohen accepted in a 2018 plea agreement that also resolved several other, unrelated charges against him. But given the fuzziness of the distinction between personal and campaign expenditures, that interpretation was open to debate. This theory of "another crime" also relied on an obscure New York law that makes it a misdemeanor for "two or more persons" to "conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means."
There were other possible theories, and the prosecution never definitively settled on one in particular. As if to make up for that lack of clarity, Bragg made his case seem more impressive by counting each of the 34 records as a distinct felony.
Bragg was undeterred by the fact that his predecessor, Cyrus R. Vance Jr., had decided against charging Trump with state crimes based on the Daniels NDA after concluding that none of the options was legally viable. Bragg was determined to get Trump one way or another. The resulting case was so vague, complicated, and confusing that it remains unclear exactly which version of Bragg's theory the jurors accepted. But they apparently were swayed by the prosecution's claim that Trump somehow had committed "election fraud," even though he was never charged with that crime.
Post-verdict commentary by Democrats who welcomed Trump's conviction echoed Bragg's nonsensical spin on the case. "We allege falsification of business records to the end of keeping information away from the electorate," Bragg said in a January 2024 interview with NY1. "It's an election interference case."
The dates of those business records ranged from February 14, 2017, to December 5, 2017. All of them were created after Trump was elected. It is logically impossible that records created in 2017 retroactively influenced the 2016 election.
Unfazed by that temporal difficulty, NPR reported that "former President Donald Trump has been found guilty of 34 counts of falsifying business records to influence the outcome of the 2016 presidential election." A Washington Post editorial likewise asserted that the jury had found Trump "guilty of felony falsification of business records in order to influence the 2016 election."
A New York Times editorial claimed Trump had been convicted of "falsifying business records to prevent voters from learning about a sexual encounter that he believed would have been politically damaging." It said the verdict "establishes that Mr. Trump committed crimes in hiding pertinent information about himself from the American people for the purpose of influencing the 2016 presidential election."
Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe approvingly quoted a similarly puzzling take on the verdict: "We now know Trump committed 34 felonies to win that election. Without these crimes, he seems almost certain to have lost to Hillary Clinton." Rice University historian Douglas Brinkley said the jurors "have convicted former president Donald Trump on 34 counts of falsifying business records in an attempt to influence the outcome of the 2016 presidential election."
None of this made any sense, but that did not matter. The point was that Clinton should have won the 2016 election. As Democrats saw it, she lost only because of Trump's chicanery, which amounted to serious crimes that were rightly treated as felonies. That view conveniently dovetailed with the goal of stopping Trump from returning to the White House.
We know how that turned out. Trump plausibly portrayed the case as politically motivated, which reinforced his general complaint that Democrats were manipulating the law to prevent his election. Because this was the first and only criminal case against him to reach a jury, it probably made voters skeptical of the other, more credible charges against him, some of which alleged much more serious offenses. In any event, voters were demonstrably unfazed by Trump's convictions.
Announced with a roar, Bragg's case against Trump is ending with a whimper. "It seems proper at this juncture to make known the Court's inclination to not impose any sentence of incarceration, a sentence authorized by the conviction but one the People concede they no longer view as a practicable recommendation," Merchan wrote when he upheld Trump's convictions last Friday. "A sentence of an unconditional discharge appears to be the most viable solution to ensure finality and allow Defendant to pursue his appellate options."
Theoretically, Trump faced up to four years in prison, although a sentence of incarceration seemed unlikely even before he won the election. Now that Trump is about to be president again, Bragg will have to settle for no punishment at all, aside from a felony record that may yet be erased on appeal.
That does not mean Bragg accomplished nothing. His misbegotten case against Trump undermined the rule of law and public confidence in the criminal justice system while lending credence to Trump's insistence that all of his legal troubles could be explained by partisan animosity. In Trump's telling, it was Bragg who was guilty of "election interference," and it is hard to disagree.
Update: The Supreme Court on Thursday evening declined to block Trump's sentencing by a 5-to-4 vote. The majority—which included Chief Justice John Roberts along with Justices Amy Coney Barrett, Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor, and Kentanji Brown Jackson—said the anticipated sentence makes the burden imposed by the ritual "relatively insubstantial."
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I think a lot of reluctant / undecided voters eventually had enough of the lawfare being employed by the left, and ended up voting for Trump.
Having their allies in the media constantly reminding us about how Democrats and progressive prosecutors and bureaucrats weaponized the legal system to go after their political enemies was a great idea. In fact, I think that they should continue to remind normies about how willing they were to completely corrupt our standards for justice and fairness in governance.
At least until people are satisfied that this kind of bias is sufficiently purged from the system.
I've often said that as far as climate catastrophe, I'm no scientist, but when the proponents lie so much and commit so much fraud and smear their opponents so vociferously, I don't need to know the science; people with truth and facts on their side don't have to resort to lies and fraud and smears.
It's the same with Trump. He's an economic ignoramus, but everything he gets wrong, Biden got worse. What convinced me to vote for a non-Libertarian was not just weak sauce Chase, but the two weak sauce impeachments which made Clinton's impeachment look well done, trying to keep him off ballots for being a Confederate rebel, the special statute of limitations juggling to ram through a 30 year old defamation case, and then this utter travesty of a case. Hillary's email server, Biden's laptop and Ukraine corruption (which was what the first impeachment was about), and the only government prosecution was this Stormy Daniel's hush money?
I bet all that lawfare pissed off as many people as all the transgender nonsense, and utterly pointless. It's like the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor; utterly pointless, counterproductive, and they deserved to lose just for being so damned stupid.
It's the same with Trump. He's an economic ignoramus,
The billionaire is an economic ignoramus? The billionaire who gambled and lost and worked his way back u to billionaire?
Suuuure.
^+1.
“they deserved to lose just for being so damned stupid.”
Well put.
It is to laugh.
'undermining democracy by persuading Daniels to keep quiet about her 2006 sexual encounter with him at a hotel in Lake Tahoe. "The heart of the case," Bragg explained, is "about conspiring to corrupt a presidential election and then lying in New York business records to cover it up." Bragg said the nondisclosure agreement (NDA) that Trump lawyer Michael Cohen arranged with Daniels amounted to "election interference" because it deprived voters of information they might have deemed relevant in choosing between Trump and Hillary Clinton in 2016.'
Undermine democracy? What a load of insulting bullshit. It's insulting to me as a voter, and as a dude, to allege that I care at all in any way about some other dude's (Trump's) sex life. If anything, knowing Trump fucked some porn actress outside of marriage would make me (and most persuadable people) more, not less, likely to vote for him. Why? Because, as a libertarian, I disagree with Republicans and conservatives on social issues. My fear about Trump, that would alienate my vote from him, is that he would be a social conservative. But, if Trump is fucking some porn bitch outside of marriage, means he's not likely to be a social conservative, and makes it more likely that I and others in the libertarian and moderate socially "liberal" center would vote for him. The social conservatives would still vote for him - they gonna stand by and let Hillary or Kamala be President?
I don't vote to bestow the honor of being President upon someone because he or she is the most "deserving" or the most fine example of a human being. I vote for the one least likely to implement and most likely to oppose policies that I oppose, and most likely to support and least likely to oppose policies that I support. I'm not electing a role model in chief - I'm selecting an employee who will do what I want him or her to do and not do what I do not want him or her to do. We have to live under the policies that will be enforced or implemented. The only way that "character" matters is to the extent that it determines policies implemented. I'd vote for a scoundrel who is likely to implement policies I support and is unlikely to implement policies I oppose, over an angel who would implement policies I oppose and block policies I support. Self-righteousness is garbage not righteous.
Which makes you wonder: What was the point of prosecuting this case?
It 'makes you wonder' the same way it makes one wonder how Biden was so successful in hiding his mental decline from MSNBC.
No one 'hid' Biden's mental decline.
They just lied to our faces.
Because they knew there was nothing we could do.
His staff hid Biden from the media in general.
MSNBC is the last outlet the Biden admin needed to hide anything from. That channel was more on-board than the WH Press office to push the Administration agenda and hide whatever they were asked to hide from the public for as long as whoever actually ran the administration wanted it to be hidden (and when it got exposed elsewhere deny the obvious as strongly as they could muster).
MSNBC is also one of the main outlets whose audience desperately wanted to believe every one of those lies. Rachel Maddow's audience still mocks FNC for using the "nobody take us seriously" defense in a defamation lawsuit, even after Maddow used the exact same claim herself in a similar case (her lawyers even augmented it with the argument that "it should have been clear to viewers when she prefaced a claim with the word 'literally' that what she was saying wasn't intended to be taken as literal or factual).
His misbegotten case against Trump undermined the rule of law and public confidence in the criminal justice system while lending credence to Trump's insistence that all of his legal troubles can be explained by partisan animosity. In Trump's telling, it was Bragg who was guilty of "election interference," and it is hard to disagree.
Hello my fellow kids.
The unreality of seeing Sullum agree with something that Trump said about election interference is disorienting. I had to scroll back up and check the byline twice.
I wonder if someone hacked his account?
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/018/666/How_Do_You_Do_Fellow_Kids_meme_banner_image.jpg
"while lending credence to Trump's insistence that all of his legal troubles can be explained by partisan animosity."
That's the real crime here. Stop giving credence to Trump!
Except this case was brazenly political, and likely will be overturned on appeal. Bragg's hubris came back to bite him, though. He was hoping that this conviction, no matter how flimsy the case was, would turn voters against Trump. He said as much when he ran for office on the pledge to take Trump down. He underestimated Trump's inexplicable appeal, and he vastly overestimated his limited influence, as well as his marginal competence as a prosecutor. It was almost enough to get me to vote for Trump, but not quite. I'm convinced many did base their votes on the Democrats' weaponization of the legal system. Let's hide and watch and see if Trump doesn't do the same thing.
Bragg literally campaigned promising to convict Trump of something...
There's no way this conviction withstands an appeal.
Bragg may wish he had decided on a different career. This current one may be over for him.
So you voted for Oliver? How could you? He’s hardly gay at all. Certainly not enough to earn your vote.
you thought of that joke all by yourself? I'm so proud of you!
It's a pleasure!
Hi Pedo Jeffy. Is this what you’re doing now, since you’re a total laughingstock here?
Lol. This was my exact take on this.
Sullum only wrote this because it failed, not due to any set of principles.
IDK, Sullum seems to be consistent and written many times here that lawfare is afoot and has been speaking against it.
Did JeffSarc hack your account?
I'm not on here every day. I get the impression Sullum doesn't like Trump, but that isn't the point.
Here's an example of Sullum calling it out
https://reason.com/2024/05/30/the-verdict-against-trump-suggests-jurors-bought-the-prosecutions-dubious-election-fraud-narrative/
Yes. This is the one case he has been decent on because it is indefensible.
He has been bad on every other case.
Even in this article he pretends he doesn't understand why this case was brought despite agreeing with all the other attempts and sullum largely agreeing with them.
Even in the article you link he states he doesn't want this case because of the perception of harm elsewhere. In prior articles he mentions how this case undermines the real cases. His concern is with perception, not Trumps rights.
Last week, New York Times columnist David French worried about the consequences of a conviction that is overturned on appeal. "Imagine a scenario in which Trump is convicted at the trial, Biden condemns him as a felon and the Biden campaign runs ads mocking him as a convict," he wrote. "If Biden wins a narrow victory but then an appeals court tosses out the conviction, this case could well undermine faith in our democracy and the rule of law." In his desperation to prevent Trump from reoccupying the White House, Bragg has already accomplished that.
His concern is not about lawfare or abuse but the harm the case causes against the other attempts.
Jacob’s tone and tenor changed earlier this year (at least every once in a while), but he pretty consistently wrote about the cases being legitimate in 2023.
Do I need to start linking his stories on the classified docs case or incitement of J6? Or the false electors case? He was positive about the Fani Willis case.
He tends to only write these when ot becomes a bit too obvious. This is the one case that was too obvious for him.
He even defended the Carrol case.
depending on when the appeal takes place, it'll be interesting to see if somewhere down the road Bragg and one or more of his team get charged with violating the exact conspiracy law which he used as a pretext to get past the statute of limitations an artificially inflate some possible bookkeeping errors into a pretense to put trump on trial in front of a jury who would be happy to convict him on any charge that a judge wouldn't throw out (and were probably disappointed that they didn't get to charge him as a serial rapist based on just the Access Hollywood BTS/hot mic tape.
I think the judge in the case is probably figuring the odds of a successfull appeal at nearly certain, even with the politically monolithic and "entirely diverse" (meaning literally every judge is a WOC) NY State Appellate Court. Even those judges might have a hard time coming up with a pretense as to why the jurors were told that it was OK to find any defendant guilty of doing something "with the intent to conceal another crime" even if they weren't convinced that another crime had been committed.
I like how Sullum describes this as Trump only plausibly describes this case as politically motivated, but yesterday definitely described Trump's lawsuit against Selzer's bad poll as punishing his political enemies.
It is fascinating where Sullum thinks motivations are murky and where they are clear as a bell, depending on which side Trump is on.
Please, do explain to us how Trump's suit against Selzer has any legal standing. I am willing to learn.
Legal standing for a lawsuit or court case. Hmmm...
Which does not address, and indeed, misses the point of my comment.
I’m not convinced machine is willing to learn.
Machine learning is an overrated concept.
"Which makes you wonder: What was the point of prosecuting this case?"
Don't wonder too hard Jacob, you'll blow a gasket.
Doesn’t make me wonder.
Makes me wonder why a purportedly libertarian site continues to publish Sullum.
KMW is the editor in chief. If you listen to her or read anything from her it's quickly apparent she is not a libertarian and extremely uninformed.
In the middle he clearly even cited the purpose, making that comment extra strange.
Future book title-
Donnie and OJ: How to Lawyer Up to avoid Prison.
O.J. could've just added a 2 to the end of his name.
So sorry your Nazi attempts to imprison your political opponents failed, Shrike.
You Marxists took your shot. You missed. Now it’s time to pay the price.
Best you just commit suicide now, Kiddie Raper.
Cuntsorevaturds making friends, gathering votes, and influencing people by... PEDDLING KOOL-AID AND SUICIDE!!! How's it workin' for ya, servant and serpent of the Evil One?
EvilBahnFuhrer, drinking EvilBahnFuhrer Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…
He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
His Hero is Jimmy Jones,
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jim-Jones
Loves death and the dying moans,
Then he likes to munch their bones!
He’s truly, completely a necrophiliac,
His brain, squirming toad-like, is REALY, really whack!
Has no thoughts that help the people,
He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
Kool-Aid man, please listen,
You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/
Hey EvilBahnFuhrer …
If EVERYONE who makes you look bad, by being smarter and better-looking than you, killed themselves, per your wishes, then there would be NO ONE left!
Who would feed you? Who’s tits would you suck at, to make a living? WHO would change your perpetually-smelly DIAPERS?!!?
You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!
This would be clever ... if it were clever. Back to China, troll.
So PervFected You supports Other PervFected People telling imperfect and politically incorrect people to commit suicide?
Back to HELL where YOU came from, Oh Death-Loving Necrophiliac PervFect Servant and Serpent of the Evil One!
I see a grey box. It must indicate the presence of a rabid rodent that should be put down. Maybe boiled in acid.
He's on the verge of that with me at this point. Absolutely nothing of value.
turd, the ass-clown of the commentariat, lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Never been a trump admirer, but all this bullshit made him look good.
Funny how that happens; when someone's opponents stoop this low, even stupid people begin to see it for what it is. Reminds me of that Lincoln quote, "You can fool some of the people..."
You can pussy-grab all of the people some of the time, and you can pussy-grab some of the people all of the time, but you cannot pussy-grab all of the people all of the time! Sooner or later, karma catches up, and the others will pussy-grab you right back!
"What was the point of prosecuting this case?"
So the NYT, WAPO, NPR, Lawrence Tribe, et al, could call him a "convicted felon." And, fortunately, enough of the American electorate saw through the sham.
It is not a matter of what you think, or feel, about the Orange Man. It is the level to which our government has stooped in an effort to attain its ends. It is banana republic level of misconduct and corruption.
"So the NYT, WAPO, NPR, Lawrence Tribe, et al, could call him a "convicted felon." And, fortunately, enough of the American electorate saw through the sham."
Yes, and yes.
Plenty of stupid Leftists all over the country still complain about "34 felonies Trump," some even comment here while claiming to be libertarian.
Hey, don’t pick on Charlie, he’s tarded.
I'll just leave this here.
"The dates of those business records ranged from February 14, 2017, to December 5, 2017. All of them were created after Trump was elected. It is logically impossible that records created in 2017 retroactively influenced the 2016 election."
I believe that the election was in 2016. Unless Trump has a time machine. Sullum really needs to get his TDS checked.
The democrats assert that Trump gained possession of Grover Cleveland’s Presidential Time Machine and used it to commit this horrific offense.
I hate to support anything Sollum says, but he did point out the logical impossibility of influencing the election with actions taken after it.
Stopped clocks.
"guilty of felony falsification of business records in order to influence the 2016 election."
Business records consisting of ledger entries in payments to a lawyer that were not part of a public filing, and falsified only in the matter of being labeled as for a purpose other than the money was intended as. Ledger entries that came out only as a result of a subpoena in a civil case. Even time travel could not have brought them to public attention to influence the election. Hell, the "crime" might as well have been a player's going offside in a New Jersey Generals game.
Will Bragg now go after any/all NY politicians that paid off victims of sexual harassment as "attempts to influence an election", or will he suddenly realize that NDAs aren't criminal?
Or maybe everyone in Congress that's used tax dollars for the same purpose.
Which tells you that the actual crime Bragg was prosecuting Trump for was the electoral defeat of Hillary Clinton.
It was her turn.
Ok, Jacob, repeat after me once and for all...ready?...a Non-disclosure agreement is a standard part of any settlement.
Characterizing it as "hush money" is intentionally inflammatory and connotes something underhanded. It's not. Ask Bill Clinton and every other serial predator (including those currently in Congress who have accessed the $17m sexual harrassment claim fund) about the prevalence of NDA's in virtually every commercial contract.
The fact this entire case was built on this sandcastle foundation is why it is disintegrating with the tide. Just more opinion trying to masquerade as news.
Fuck off Jacob, you were a vocal cheerleader for every last bit of demented lawfare aimed at Trump. You're just pissed you shag all over your credibility for nothing and are now desperately trying to pretend your insanity of the last 8 years never happened. GFY you lying Marxist propagandist.
JS;dr. But I agree with your assessment of Jacob.
Paging Winston Smith ... paging Winston Smith. Please return to the Ministry of Truth immediately! There is an urgent history rewrite in Legal Department and consignment to the Memory Hole. That is all!"
Jacob Sullen.
The problem here is that there is no legal mechanism in America to punish officials who violate the Constitution. Of course, officials don't want to be punished for the consequences of doing their jobs and they are the ones who write the rules under which officials remain immune to punishment for the consequences of doing their jobs badly. They say America would not be able to recruit officials to do those millions of jobs I don't want them to do in the first place if they were not immune to punishment - to which my response is, "Good! Let them find something productive to do where there are no bad consequences for doing those jobs badly."
Juan Merchan is a soft in criminals judge.
Ha. Finally proof Charlie is parody.
He soft IN them? How sad.
Hey now, this is the one area chuckie might know something about.
Gross.
Judging from some of these comments, i really think some of you need to get your houses checked for lead pipes. I worry about you guys.
We worry about idiots like you; what time did you start drinking today?
It’s all the fluoride he drinks.
I thought it was Jeffy. Haven’t seen much of that fat turd lately.
Is this more of that lefty projection the left is so famous for?
Jeffsarc can't come up with original material?
Let's not forget that for all of the cases against Trump, none of the facts were in dispute. He did steal and refuse to return classified documents. He did lead a weeks long illegal effort to overturn the results of an election. He did do an attempted coup. It is a failure of the US political and judicial system that he will not be held accountable for any of it.
He is also ineligible to be president due to 14A3, but the Ds are to chickenshit to pus the issue.
The US is quickly moving to being a failed country, and the Republicans are cheering it on.
Except that Trump didn’t admit to staling the documents. He admitted to having them, which is very different, but claimed all along that they were his personal papers, and not Presidential papers (which, as President, he had plenary power to determine) and had been effectively declassified (which, again as President, he had plenary power to do). It was only Jay Bratt and Jack Smith, in their indictments of him who claimed that the documents belonged to the US and not Trump, and that they were still somehow classified.
On top of that it was GSA who packed the boxes where the documents were found, not Trump.
Biden and NARA colluded to provide a false premise for the search as well.
I don’t think that it was NARA, per se, but rather Jay Bratt and the Biden WH, that ordered NARA to cooperate with the FBI, and since we are talking about classified documents, that meant their Counterintelligence Division, that is the sister organization to Bratt’s Counterintelligence and Export Control Section. So, when NARA was making requests and demands on Trump, it was really Bratt making them. And, one of things that he requested from them is that they file a criminal referral - with him. Of course, since the Presidential Records Act doesn’t have criminal provisions, it didn’t have the statutory authority to make that criminal referral… But, then, the PRA doesn’t have any provisions allowing NARA to demand documents from an ex President either.
No one should be surprised that Jay Bratt “abruptly” resigned late last week.
Molly only knows whatever the democrats decide.
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
With raging cases of TDS and Stupid.
Fuck off and die, slimy pile of lefty shit.
I know it’s been some tough times for Team Blue since the failed Trump assassination attempt, and judging from the first week of 2025 it looks like things are going to just get worse.
I know that you are really angry. Let's try to come up with a few ways to make
schoolpolitics better. I promise it’ll get better, buddy.*makes heart with hands
The amount of retarded and false information in this one post is impressive shrike.
“He is also ineligible to be president due to 14A3, but the Ds are to chickenshit to pus the issue.”
Except that the 14A is not self-executing, said the Supreme Court in CO’s attempt to keep Trump off the ballot. While § 3 talks about a disability for Insurrection, § 5 provides that Congress can enact legislation to enforce any of the sections of the 14A. There was a statute on Insurrection. Not anymore. Also, it requires a criminal conviction, which was impossible, since there is no longer a criminal Insurrection statute. Moreover Trump has never taken the Oath required under § 3. The Oath he took was the Presidential Oath, which is different (all other recent Presidents took the § 3 required Oath for previous government positions). Finally, the Constitution (and its Amendments) specifically call out the President, when applicable. Instead, his Electors, etc were called out in § 3, but not him. Well established rules of construction essentially say that 14A § 3 doesn’t apply to the President.
So, no, it wasn’t because they were chickenshit, but because they knew that they would lose, likely 9-0 in the Supreme Court, if it ever got there.
I'm curious. How does 18 U.S.C. Section 2383 fit into this? It has something to do with insurrection.
Who does it pertain to? Was anyone convicted let alone charged with insurrection? No?
How does 14A3 disqualify him?
It doesn’t. 14A § 3 doesn’t apply to the (former) President, isn’t self executing, and Due Process would require a criminal conviction, which never happened here.
No insurrection took place on J6. Molly is a retard.
Let me remind you that the bulk of the commenters here are attorneys, most of the posters are law professors, and several, led by the blog owner, Eugene Vollokh, clerked for the Supreme Court. Just throwing nonsense out, like you did there, just makes you look silly. There are commenters, and even posters, here who disagree in these areas. They are, of course, incorrect. Nevertheless, they make cogent legal arguments for their points. You, on the other hand, baldly stated what most here know are falsehoods, as true, without any legal arguments why they would be.
So, expect to be ridiculed.
Windy City Attorney isn't one.
Nope. Everything you said is total bullshit.
Kill yourself. Your existence is an insult to God’s creation.
MollyGodiva bullshit not worth repeating
Speaking of stupid Leftists, here's one of the most pathetic specimens.
1. No, those facts are in dispute.
2. No, those facts are also in dispute.
3. No, that fact is disputed.
4. And that fact is also disputed.
"Let's not forget that for all of the cases against Trump, none of the facts were in dispute."
Please, do tell...
"He did steal and refuse to return classified documents."
He was negotiating in good faith with the National Archives to return the disputed documents (the letter from North Korean leader, the sharpie weather map, other 'national security documents' when someone decided to send kitted-up agents to storm his residence (only after alerting CNN).
How does the sitting President "steal" documents, he is allowed unfettered access to all documents.
And please, don't tell me you think DJT personally packed the WH residence personally?
"He did lead a weeks long illegal effort to overturn the results of an election."
He had questions, he had the right to ask questions, no crime there.
"He did do an attempted coup."
By directing an unarmed crowd to peacefully and patriotically go to the Capitol building? Puh-leese.
"It is a failure of the US political and judicial system that he will not be held accountable for any of it."
And what "crimes" were they?
"He is also ineligible to be president due to 14A3, but the Ds are to chickenshit to pus the issue."
The Ds are chicken shit, but there's no basis to exempt Trump from holding office - no evidence has ever been produced that he in any way instigated, organized, or facilitated the Jan 6 tour of the Capitol, and absent any conviction (or even evidence) of his involvement in the so-called insurrection, there is no basis to exclude him from office.
Donald Trump won in 2024 because Democrats insisted on running a lousy candidate after kicking an even lousier candidate off the ticket.
"...But deploying that label required a dubious legal theory that aimed to punish Trump for conduct that was not inherently criminal..."
I seem to recall the statute of limitations had also run out.
So let me get this straight, Trump supposedly has a tryst with a porn actress and his ghewish lawyer, Cohen, pays her off to keep quiet, then DJT writes out a check to Cohen and it's declared a felony by a fat neo-Marxist, Obama picked D.A. Now it appears the entire case will collapse. LOL!
So when is it Bill Clinton's turn?
I believe Johnathan Turley had a few things to say about all this. So did Ron Paul.
Senators and congressmen have taxpayer-funded accounts to pay staffers that accuse them of sexual assault, but oddly, they require those payments to be private.
Wouldn't the public knowing about these payments influence their re-election races? Shouldn't that be declared election interference and prosecuted?
"The heart of the case," Bragg explained, is "about conspiring to corrupt a presidential election"
Which we are 100% sure is exactly what you have done.
How the fuck does paying off some 'ho corrupt a presidential election?
It couldn’t, if for no other reason than that the payments (journal entries, etc) were made AFTER the election.
As much as I hate to even look for a moment like I'm defending this prosecution, that's nonsense.
It's normal to pay for items after they are delivered: Every business gets invoiced 30-60 days after goods are shipped. Why should buying silence be different?
The fact that it wasn't paid until later isn't evidence, and bringing that up is a distraction at best.
The payments were in 2017, the election was in 2016, and the event in question was in 2007...
It is, a puzzlement!
Trump was convicted of the same pair of crimes Hillary was not even prosecuted for. A New York resident running her campaign out of Brooklyn, she mislabeled as "Legal Services" money she spent on creating the Steele Dossier. The FEC even fined her for her deception.
This violated New York Penal Law 175.10, and met the "unlawful means" element of New York Election Law 17-152. As a bonus, her lawyer Marc Elias could have been prosecuted as a co-conspirator.
Jacob, I don't always agree with you. In fact I disagree with you more than not, but I will give credit where credit is due. Your support for the rule of law is commendable, and I know that it was unpleasant for you to stand up for Trump on this matter.
It means much more when people go against their preferred side to state what is right, and I thank you for it.
He is far from consistent and still weasels out of being accurate in articles like this. The only reason he is pretending to not be a partisan sycophant is because it's too obvious and the prevailing winds are against him. He isn't ever ahead of an issue that runs counter to his politics.
Bro spent a couple years screaming about how its obvious that Trump is totes guilty and will burn.
He's just 'bof sides' now when it became clear that the public wasn't buying Merchan and Bragg's twisting of the law to create crimes out of nowhere.
And when people do the right thing, we should say so.
I have no law degree, but I know that
(1) A man can't be found guilty in court with only a 4 guilty votes.
(2) NDAs are a matter of public record and cannot be "covered up" by misreporting the method of payment on a tax form, even if it was a campaign finance violation.
(3) Everyone and their mothers knew Trump had paid off Stormy.
This case and the ongoing fiasco in CA is a direct condemnation of the liberal electorate. In court, it shouldn't have mattered whether Merchan was crooked or not - an informed citizen with an iota of integrity and basic understanding of due process should have found Trump not guilty.
It’s time to bring back McCarthyism and cleanse Marxism from America.
McCarthy was dramatically more accurate in his accusations than the Dems have been in a decade now.
The biggest surprise here is that the Supreme Court decision not to intervene was bipartisan!
"Update: The Supreme Court on Thursday evening declined to block Trump's sentencing by a 5-to-4 vote. The majority—which included Chief Justice John Roberts along with Justices Amy Coney Barrett, Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor, and Kentanji Brown Jackson—said the anticipated sentence makes the burden imposed by the ritual "relatively insubstantial.""
It's pretty clear John Roberts was saying "Look guys, we can't give him absolutely EVERYTHING he wants."
Sullum weeps.
>Aside from a felony record that may yet be erased on appeal, the president-elect will face no punishment for trying to conceal his hush payment to Stormy Daniels.
Should he be punished for something that isn't even a crime?
And if his conviction is reversed on appeal - does that not mean that he's not guilty?
But, fuck, Sullum. You *promised* us that the wallz were clozin' in!
YOU PROMISED!
It's been almost 10 years since Trump announced his run for the presidency. In all that time the Democratic media never figured out that making an even bigger martyr out of him with these bogus prosecutions could backfire on them. And, in return for getting to use the salacious 'convicted felon' label they also get to call him 'Mr. President' AGAIN.
Are felons allowed to vote in Florida? That would seem to be about the only real consequence here. And that's if the convictions aren't overturned on appeal.
Would rather see fat Alvin Bragg's misbegotten career end with a whimper.